I am trying to capture costs for starting into homelab/selfhosting.
VPNs, search engines, absolutely everything and anything.
I am trying to capture costs for starting into homelab/selfhosting.
VPNs, search engines, absolutely everything and anything.
153 Comments
yaroto98@lemmy.world · 35 pts · 96d
Domain is about $15/yr
Email for my domain is $20/yr
VPN is about $50/yr
curbstickle@anarchist.nexus · 12 pts · 96d
Yeah thats... Pretty much it for me.
Unless we want to include donations? But that doesnt fit the word "subscription" IMO.
antrosapien@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 95d
For a stretch, subscription should include every rent seeking expenses(not specifically for homelabbing); house rent, water, electricity, gas, phone, internet, monthly bus pass etc etc
Korhaka@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 91d
Oh most of those I go pay as you go. Instead of a bus pass I cycle and pay for new bikes as required.
whimsy@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 95d
Which email host do you use? I can't decide which one to go for. I want something like migadu but they seem a bit scary with their message limits. The other option I have in mind is purelymail but I don't know if I trust them yet
tburkhol@slrpnk.net · 2 pts · 95d
Not who you replied ti, but I've been on purelymail for about a year and a half. No complaints. $10.yr is great, and their billing statements claim I could be around $3/year if I switched to their advanced billing. I have nagging concern that they're hosted on AWS, and if your goal is to completely free yourself of US tech giants, then purelymail won't.
whimsy@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 95d
Thanks for the input! Yeah, I haven't heard of any bad experience with them. Maybe I just need to take the leap of faith. Although the ownership change recently was a bit concerning but it seems like the operation quality hasn't reduced
yaroto98@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 95d
My domain's registrar is namecheap, i tried their email on a whim, i've had no complaints in the 7ish years I've been using them. Privateemail.com
whimsy@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 95d
I checked it out, looks like they don't support catch all and have an artifical limitation on "aliases"
For me, I think I would like to have catch all working without paying too much
yaroto98@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 95d
I'm pretty sure they do support catch all, because that's what I have. Or at least they used to and I'm grandfathered in.
looked it up, seems like a quick setting:
https://www.namecheap.com/support/knowledgebase/article.aspx/9412/2214/how-to-set-up-catchall-in-namecheap-private-email/
I'm pretty sure I have the cheapest, one email address option with catch-all. I didn't set up any aliases.
whimsy@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 94d
Ooh, thanks for this. Yeah, I got confused by the pricing page
yaroto98@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 94d
When marketing is directed towards normies and not nerds.
litchralee@sh.itjust.works · 25 pts · 96d
There are subscription costs for homelabbing?
chisel@piefed.social · 52 pts · 96d
Electricity. Off-site backup. FOSS project donations. Thigh-high socks. Domains.
rtxn@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 96d
They've even put programmer socks behind subscriptions, world is a fuck
sbeak@sopuli.xyz · 4 pts · 95d
Planned obsolescence means that the thigh high socks degrade quickly, forcing consumers to purchase new pairs more often than they really need too. The fabrics are now less resistant to excessive sweat, moisture, and oils. Shrinkflation also means you get less sock for the same amount of money, increasing the margins for the sock megacorporations. Additionally, the missing sock ghost (who routinely steals socks from a pairs leaving victims with just the one) has struck a deal with Big Programmer Socks to increase the number of lost sock pairs over time in exchange for a large share of the profits.
irmadlad@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 95d
This guy I have beef with. Also the missing keys fairy.
in_my_honest_opinion@piefed.social · 6 pts · 96d
The socks, oh jesus the socks. So much money.
djdarren@piefed.social · 3 pts · 95d
Electricity $200 Off-site backup $130 FOSS project donations $800 Thigh-high socks $3600 Domains £150
someone who is good at the economy please help me budget this. my family is dying
dogs0n@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 95d
Im good at the economy. If you turn off the electricity you have an extra $300 for your Thigh-high socks
Squizzy@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 96d
I hear of VPS and VPN, then there is domains and loads I dont know about.
lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 15 pts · 95d
I pay ~$15/mo for Usenet so I can get...news...easily.... 👀
anon_8675309@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 95d
First rule of Usenet…
lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 94d
I like getting my news delivered quickly without weird limitations.
chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 95d
Heh
some_random_nick@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 94d
Since you are paying, it seems to be worth it. I read a lot of mixed opinions online. What do you find there that you can't on torrent sites? Or is it just ease of use?
lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 94d
Ease of use (once it's set up). Getting it set up is the tricky part, but it's just tedious more than anything else.
I actually have two subscriptions, one for the newsgroup and one for the indexer. The newsgroup access is monthly while the indexer is annual, like $12/yr or something, stupid cheap.
Absolutely worth it.
czl@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 15 pts · 96d
I spend a lot more money on donations to the open source stuff I’m running, but they are not strictly speaking “subscriptions”. Self hosting for me isn’t about cost, it’s about data ownership.
SanderZeldenthuis@nord.pub · 11 pts · 95d
and here I thought the idea was to avoid to have subscriptions 🤣
Ludicrous0251@piefed.zip · 10 pts · 96d
Hosting for two:
I just upgraded my home storage setup, so offsite backup is now running at my parents house, saving me ~$250/yr (but probably costing them ~$50/yr in added utility costs)
B0rax@feddit.org · 1 pts · 95d
Why the nabu casa subscription? It sounds like everything they offer you (access from anywhere, backup, voice) is something that you could already do with your existing setup
rumba@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 95d
Not OP
It also supports HA development, and keeps me from requiring my wife to understand tailscale.
tjoa@feddit.org · 1 pts · 95d
Cant you just install a VPN profile on your wife’s phone? Like companies do
rumba@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 95d
Can, but there are issues. As you travel and change towers, that vpn connection has to tear down and be rebuilt on the next IP. Towers are only a couple miles apart best case so at 60, any realtime ip communication gets bad. She doesn't love running the client full time and just wants to see the ip cameras.
The real solution would be simply stand up an haproxy with https and require a specific certificate to communicate. which i can do... but why when i'd just want to donate to home assistant anyway.
tjoa@feddit.org · 2 pts · 95d
Your last paragraph is explanation enough I agree. But tbh the phone tower thing sounds like an edge case. Yes, if your wife is watching the live feed of the cameras and is sitting on a highspeed train it will happen but that doesn’t sound like a very likely scenario to me. Although I probably underestimate the times you are actually moving while checking the cameras. Cuz idle time on transportation is a good time to do that. Anyways thanks for keeping the lights in the Casa turned on.
rumba@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 94d
The vpn drops and renegotiates, if you're on a facetime, if you're on a meet, if you're listening to streaming radio.
tjoa@feddit.org · 1 pts · 94d
You can configure the profiles afaik to only route the traffic dedicated for your homelab through there
Ludicrous0251@piefed.zip · 1 pts · 95d
As someone else said, the main reason is to support the devs.
Secondary benefit is the features are seamless and not something I have to maintain. I only have so much time in my day, so I have to choose which things I want to DIY and which I want to pay someone else to manage, but that's a side benefit to supporting the devs.
irmadlad@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 95d
I understand the concept, free search engines aren't free, but I'm just not there yet enough to pay for a search engine. I don't have ads on my network period, haven't in decades. I also filter heavily through pFsense and other means. So, while I am admittedly still contributing somewhat to a major search engine, at the very least I have still retained most of my data, and search results must be selected with prudence.
kossa@feddit.org · 3 pts · 93d
For me, it was more the quality of search than privacy concerns. The latter I could mitigate, as you wrote.
But, oh man, the search quality on Kagi is so much better than everywhere else. The ability to just outright block domains in results, chef's kiss.
irmadlad@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 93d
Well, I'll certainly keep it in the back of my head.
johntash@eviltoast.org · 2 pts · 95d
If you're interested, try something like searxng and route it through a VPN or vps.
irmadlad@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 95d
I do run a Searxng private instance and love it.
Ludicrous0251@piefed.zip · 2 pts · 95d
I hear you! I was on the same boat - I had telemetry locked down as much as possible, but I eventually got tired of the arms race and decided to give Kagi a spin.
Took a while to commit but a big selling point was being able to bring my very non-technical wife along for the ride.
SuspiciousCarrot78@aussie.zone · 9 pts · 95d
I was tempted to say $0, but then I thought harder about the problem.
Technically I do have ongoing costs
https://usenet-news.net/index1.php?url=home
https://www.nzbgeek.info/
Electricity (whatever tiny amount raspberry pi sips). At a guess, maybe $50/yr.
So, amortised over time - very low but not zero. In theory, if I dropped Usenet, it would even lower. And theoretically, I could run the pi off a single solar panel and a diy solar kit but I'm not busy pretending to be Robinson Crusoe just yet. Though... It might be a cool project.
ikidd@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 95d
You might want to consider Premiumize for Usenet (and torrent cache) at that price. Catch it on the Black Friday sale. I think it does NZB as well.
SuspiciousCarrot78@aussie.zone · 1 pts · 95d
Torrent cache? As in seedbox?
ikidd@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 95d
Essentially its a paid seed box. It has most things already cached, and if it doesn't, you can copy in a magnetic link and it'll torrent it for you and save it to your account cloud (and presumably make it available for other users but it counts against your credits so delete it when you've watched it).
Personally, I've rarely had to get it to pull a feed for me, it has nearly everything I've wanted cached already.
Zetta@mander.xyz · 1 pts · 95d
This is why torrents are better! I torrent the highest quality files I can find so I'd blow through that 500gb quickly.
ITGuyLevi@programming.dev · 2 pts · 95d
Unlimited Usenet plans are pretty cheap to depending on sales.
Edit to add: I'm not a quality snob, but I'd probably blow through 500GB way too quickly.
SuspiciousCarrot78@aussie.zone · 3 pts · 95d
Use to last me 2-3 months... but my media library is more or less complete now, with little churn. Also, I don't ever go above 1080p.
I need to check if Radarr / Sonarr works with straight torrents (it must do; I haven't used them for ages / have been using 1337 manually, but I seem to recall torrents being a source).
SuspiciousCarrot78@aussie.zone · 1 pts · 95d
Debatable :) Torrents rely on seeders. I've downloaded movies and TV shows >5 yrs since initial upload via Usenet. Yes, things expire there too (eventually), but when the getting is good, it's uniformly good / fast.
OTOH, 1337 has been pretty decent to me of late.
It's tricky. On one hand, Jellyfin and the arr stack are what got me into self hosting. OTOH...torrents are simpler - I can plug my external SSD directly into my router, which streams to NovaPlayer on any android device - nothing else needed. Want a new show / movie? Grab the torrent, punt it across to ssd via samba share. It auto populates.
https://github.com/nova-video-player/aos-AVP
It's...simpler. Arguably more elegant / less moving parts.
Dunno.
Zetta@mander.xyz · 3 pts · 95d
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ i'm on two private trackers that aren't that hard to get into and I routinely download 10 plus year old 50 - 100 gb files with good seeds. I have never run into something not decently seeded since I went private.
SuspiciousCarrot78@aussie.zone · 1 pts · 95d
Which trackers if you don't mind saying? DM me if easier.
TomAwsm@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 94d
Would love to hear about these trackers too!
irmadlad@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 95d
Usenet...boy that brings back some memories from back in the day. Surprised that it seems to still be going strong.
SuspiciousCarrot78@aussie.zone · 3 pts · 95d
Yarrr! But it really mostly is Yarr these days. So don't go firing up Trumpet winsock to check Forte Agent :)
irmadlad@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 95d
Things just seemed......simpler back then.
SuspiciousCarrot78@aussie.zone · 2 pts · 95d
They were, I think. Or we were just younger.
motruck@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 95d
Ahh yeah. Good ol winaock. DLL. Just copy the DLL and magically these programs are connected???
SuspiciousCarrot78@aussie.zone · 2 pts · 95d
I remember it being a touch more ...analog...back in the day. ATDT commands and all.
But yeah, Win 3.11+ trumpet winsock and Free Agent were the shit. Rec.martial.arts was home back then (along with mIRC).
Lemmy reminds me a bit of the old Usenet fora.
motruck@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 94d
People still hang on IRC :). Shoot people still use mIRC among other venerable clients.
Bytemeister@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 95d
$50/year electrical bill for a Pi?!
Nevermind, I just did some back of the napkin math and came out around 35 a year if I was running one full power 24/7, so yeah, that is the right ballpark guess for a maximum.
SuspiciousCarrot78@aussie.zone · 1 pts · 95d
Yeah, same. Though at 3-5W ... it really is just a very rough guess. Lemme ShitGPT it. Oh, I was way off
A realistic Pi 4B-only estimate is about A$8–A$12 per year in electricity, assuming it is on 24/7 and used for Jellyfin streaming around 10–12 hours per week.
Pi 4B measurements are typically around 2.7–2.85 W at idle, about 5.1 W under moderate server load, and around 6.4 W under full CPU stress. Using Perth/WA’s Synergy Home Plan A1 energy charge of 32.3719 c/kWh, excluding the daily supply charge, that works out very cheaply because the device uses only about 25–36 kWh/year.
Scenario Assumed usage Annual energy Approx. annual cost
Mostly idle 3 W 24/7 26.3 kWh A$8.51/year Idle + 12h/wk Jellyfin 2.7 W idle, 5.1 W streaming 25.1 kWh A$8.14/year Heavier Jellyfin/server use 2.7 W idle, 6.4 W streaming 26.0 kWh A$8.40/year Conservative wall-power estimate 4 W idle, 6.4 W streaming 36.5 kWh A$11.83/year
The bigger swing factor is storage, not the Pi. A USB SSD adds very little; a USB-powered 2.5" hard drive might add a few dollars per year; a powered 3.5" external drive left spinning 24/7 could push the total more into the A$15–A$30/year range.
So, for the Raspberry Pi 4B itself as a Jellyfin box: roughly A$10/year is a good mental estimate.
Bytemeister@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 95d
I went off the power supply maximum output. 5.1 volts, 3 amps, so 15 watts per hour. 24hrs per day, 365 days a year, so 131,400 watt-hours, or 131kilowatt-hours. My electricity is about $0.25/kwh (advertised at 0.09/kwh, but when you add on bullshit fees, the final rate is much higher), so I came up with $32.85 as the maximum amount any device connected to that power supply could cost.
SuspiciousCarrot78@aussie.zone · 2 pts · 95d
Yep. But that would be 100% CPU, 100% of the time? Real life, it's probably closer to 2w idle and maybe 5-7W under typical load.
More interesting...I think that technically means you could make a "UPS" for it using what...4xAA batteries?
Oh man...that would be cool. Stupid but cool.
irmadlad@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 95d
That's about what I calculated for my locale. Roughly $0.30–$0.85 per month, around $0.48/month at 4 W. Which is remarkable especially given what you can run on one.
SuspiciousCarrot78@aussie.zone · 2 pts · 95d
Agree. I know the Pi's are out of favour these days...but they are a cool little machine. I got mine running DietPi and a bunch o crap (the usuals - JF, arr stack, pi hole, syncthing, yadda yadda) and running headless the footprint (power and memory wise) is tiny.
I joked about the 4xAA batteries thing but iirc, there is actually a Pi-HAT that creates a micro UPS that'll run the pi for maybe three to five hours just on double A batteries.
Edit: yep
https://pimodules.com/product/ups-pico-hv4-0-advanced
or more sensibly
https://littlebirdelectronics.com.au/collections/raspberry-pi-power-hats/products/raspberry-pi-ups-hat
irmadlad@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 94d
I've got a drawer full of various models I've picked up here and there, mostly used that people were selling. I stumbled across a yard sale once where a guy and his son were selling a lot of computer equipment to raise money for his son to get some newer stuff for college. There was a whole box of them, maybe 10+ and I paid $100 for all of them. I use them from time to time for different projects. Good little learning boards.
tofu@lemmy.nocturnal.garden · 9 pts · 96d
Yearly:
Not counting ISP since we have that anyways.
akwd169@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 96d
0.26€/kWh? Jeez I thought $0.14 CAD during peak was bad
PeroBasta@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 96d
Wow.. In Italy the average for households is 0.28-0.33
Our green party is and was historically the main anti-nuclear power sponsor
tofu@lemmy.nocturnal.garden · 1 pts · 95d
Yeah it's like that in Europe. Part of it is covered by my mini photovoltaic (600Wp), but that's not enough.
r3tr0_97@ani.social · 3 pts · 96d
What are you using those 6 domains for? Genuine question btw
tofu@lemmy.nocturnal.garden · 2 pts · 95d
Two are fedi instances, one is "official (related to my legal name)" and mostly used for email, one for personal selfhosted stuff I want to access from outside without vpn (like this Lemmy instance), one used to be a local concert calendar which I sunset so it's not needed anymore. Currently forgot the sixth one lol
kossa@feddit.org · 2 pts · 93d
I have also like quite some domains.
One just firstnamelastname to have it
One for homelabbing
One for business
One, because I thought firstname@lastname.email was a cool idea. Now all my accounts run through it and I cannot change it anymore :/
One for my old startup, where I just like the name to much
One for another old business, but my mailserver runs through that domain, and it is too much of a bother to change that 😅
So, remember folks: don't buy too many domains, it becomes a liability.
captcha_incorrect@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 96d
Aside from domain costs, I don’t pay for any extra services in regards to my homelab. I pay for email as well because I don’t want to manage that.
irmadlad@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 96d
WiresharkWireguard (VPN): freeThe whole idea of selfhosting is to cut out corporate subscriptions and to retain your privacy, security, anonymity, and data.
hoshikarakitaridia@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 96d
If the VPN is for phoning home, of course there's free client and server software.
But if it's for spoofing a different location, you either get found out, or you have to pay.
I wanna live in a world where I do not pay for anything but there is stuff that you can only really get if you pay.
irmadlad@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 96d
Yeah. I just thu that in there thinking that in as an example. Of course, you're right, you'd get clinked.
slazer2au@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 96d
Wireshark has to be a typo right? I never knew the packet capture program did that.
irmadlad@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 96d
Ahhh fuck Wireguard. This old brain is not functioning today.
sbeak@sopuli.xyz · 4 pts · 95d
To be fair, Wireshark is a far more memorable name than Wireguard. Sharks are very cool!
Squizzy@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 96d
I am very concerned about selfhosting and exposing my network to the internet. I thought people had VPS etc.
irmadlad@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 96d
A VPS is a Virtual Private Server, such as one would rent from a provider like digitalocean.com com or similar. Most of the crew here run their homelab off of equipment located in their residence. If a VPS is the path you'd like to take, then that would be a subscription. If you have equipment in your physical possession, that is yet another path. Either way, security is of utmost importance.
Squizzy@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 96d
Tailscale being an alternative to a VPS then?
TheMadCodger@piefed.social · 3 pts · 96d
Tailscale is a layer on top of wireguard and is a VPN. Don't open your home to the outside world, that's just asking for trouble.
Tailscale is a great choice for you at this stage for accessing your stuff from anywhere and not worrying about anyone else. Downside is if Tailscale decides to enshittify some day you (a lot of us) will have to figure what our next move is.
For the casual and/or beginner, it really is an excellent service even at the free tier.
doctorflynt@feddit.org · 1 pts · 95d
i dont have that much knowledge about security, but would it be reasonable to expose a single raspberry in a dmz behind a firewall as a headscale vps?
i mean it would be hard for an attacker to get past the physical firewall into the main network, right?
on the other hand they wouldnt need to get past the firewall if they take over the headscale server… edit: but that would also happen, if a vps hosted somewhere else, got infected, right?
irmadlad@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 96d
Tailscale is a VPN (Virtual Private Network) which is different than a VPS (Virtual Private Server).
ETA: Oops. I see your question has been answered multiple times. It seems you are a beginner at selfhosting and trying to get a grip on what's necessary to start and trying to wrap your brain around all the acronyms. There is absolutely no shame in being a beginner. Everyone in this community was a beginner at some point in their life. So, don't be bashful about asking questions. I've found the folks here to be patient and helpful.
BartyDeCanter@piefed.social · 1 pts · 96d
Tailscale is a kind of VPN (virtual private network) not a VPS (virtual private server).
BartyDeCanter@piefed.social · 3 pts · 96d
Do you mean a VPN? Tailscale has a free tier, or you can run a headscale instance on whatever hardware you like.
tjoa@feddit.org · 1 pts · 96d
Selfhosting on a VPS can have its use cases (piracy). If you are worried about exposing it to the internet just don’t and ise company profiles on your devices to automatically connect your network using VPN
hellmo_luciferrari@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 96d
For my homelab:
Mullvad: ~$6/month Domain: $8/year
And whatever cost for electricity for running a singular mini PC, Pi4, and my synology.
Cost isn't much.
mlg@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 95d
Domain for $8 a year and 300Mbps fiber for $45 a month which snake ass AT&T keeps increasing in 5 dollar increments, so thank you for reminding me to call Spectrum for a quote so I can then call AT&T and harass them into giving me the correct price for another year.
Zetta@mander.xyz · 3 pts · 95d
AT&T just bought my fiber provider
irmadlad@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 95d
It's a shitty business model. Over the years I've found that in order to get the most out of Spectrum it is necessary to be a royal asshole and live in their phones. Here in this locale, Spectrum contracted with the local schools to be their ISP, so Spectrum became a utility just like water, power, etc. We even have a complaint form on our official county's website to facilitate being a royal asshole when necessary.
prenatal_confusion@feddit.org · 5 pts · 96d
Domain and vps about 20 per year.
Spotify not because I am missing a navidrome server. But because I sometimes need the huge catalogue of it to browse.
Edit: 70 for protonvpn. Need those Linux isos.
eager_eagle@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 96d
is that a bundle, or are you rally paying like $0.50 a month for a VPS?
prenatal_confusion@feddit.org · 2 pts · 95d
It's a vps from ionos and the 1€ per month was actually the 1gb ram version. I have since upgraded to a 3€ with 4gb I think so not entirely accurate. Domain is afaik 1 per month.
lustrum@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 96d
theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 96d
$0
gandalf_der_12te@feddit.org · 4 pts · 96d
donations to lemmy devs and 2 fediverse servers are $10/month each, so $30/month total.
newthrowaway20@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 96d
I pay for
My domain: $75 for 5 years
Usenet newsgroup access: $75 a year
Internet: $100 a month.
dadarobot@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 96d
$6.50 for nabu casa (home assistant cloud)
tjoa@feddit.org · 3 pts · 96d
Password manager for 10€/y and webspace which is free cuz I host some websites for money
captcha_incorrect@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 96d
Which password manager do you use?
tjoa@feddit.org · 7 pts · 96d
Oh it’s actually more like 20€/y i just realized, $19,80 to be exact. Bitwarden. But there was a post the other day that enshittification is going to start soon so idk what I will get then. If there is no good alternative I will probably start selfhosting that too
hellmo_luciferrari@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 96d
I currently pay for Bitwarden and self host Vaultwarden. As long as we can still use the Bitwarden app with Vaultwarden, I won't have a problem.
There isn't another password solution I want to use currently.
If we lose that self-hosted feature for Vaultwarden I will jump ship to a keepass compliant solution.
tjoa@feddit.org · 1 pts · 96d
I guess we could still fork the current Bitwarden client?
hellmo_luciferrari@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 95d
I would hope so. That and the extensions.
BartyDeCanter@piefed.social · 2 pts · 96d
Run your own Vaultwarden service. Its FOSS, and works with Bitwarden clients.
dadarobot@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 96d
i swapped to proton pass
exu@feditown.com · 1 pts · 96d
I'm in the same boat and looking for alternatives.
The first one I tried was Psono, basics worked ok but I didn't like how there was no keybinding to auto fill passwords. Another negative was the session handling, you'd either need a complete login including 2FA or keep the session active at all times without any prompt for the master password even after a restart.
Reannlegge@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 96d
Run your own vaultwarden, you get to use all the bitwarden things for free. With rumours of enshitification coming let the people who do not do the self hosting pay for the development. If I had the money to donate I would have stopped the moment I heard the enshitification rumours.
exu@feditown.com · 0 pts · 96d
I don't want to worry about my password manager being down if I ever have a total outage for any reason
Lemmert@reddthat.com · 1 pts · 95d
The Bitwarden client, extension and app keep those locally as well. So unless you have a prolonged power outage, you should be fine. Though if you don't have anyone you need to share passwords with I'd recommend KeepassXC with Syncthing. You can set keybindings with the browser extension
Reannlegge@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 95d
Last time my power was out all of my vaultwarden passwords were on my bitwarden install on my phone.
lechongous@programming.dev · 3 pts · 96d
Domain only. Maybe $20 a year. Selfhosting email and VPN.
LunarLoony@lemmy.sdf.org · 3 pts · 95d
Wonky Coffee, about £30 per month.
Hey, you did say anything and everything...!
irmadlad@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 95d
Never heard of them, checked it out. That's a noble cause. I think we Americans especially, waste so much food it's downright embarrassing. Yet we make laws that say it is prohibited to feed the homeless. That's unconscionable imho. I strongly feel, we as a society, have a moral obligation to our fellow man to help when help is needed, no matter who they are or how they came to be in need.
BartyDeCanter@piefed.social · 3 pts · 96d
All in, that’s $152/year. I’m probably going to add another $132/year if/when I can convince the rest of the family to move away from Gmail.
The VPS is for a few services that I don’t want to go down if my home internet connect goes down. And offsite backups are a must for me.
uuj8za@piefed.social · 3 pts · 96d
I don't think you need too many subscriptions for self-hosting. Just the domain. And that's only if you want to be fancy. You can just use an IP address. Or services like Netbird give you a free domain (
whatever.netbird.cloud). Uh, what else. Uh, the electricity subscription? My server idles at about 70w. It runs 24/7. (Netbird and Tailscale are free options for creating VPNs.)That's kinda the point of self-hosting that you don't have subscriptions.
There is a 1-time up-front cost though. You need to acquire hardware and right now AI is messing everything up. Hardware is at an all time high. Maybe you can find more affordable used hardware somewhere.
Telodzrum@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 96d
orenj@leminal.space · 2 pts · 95d
Uhh i think i pay $70 every couple years for a vpn and thats kinda that.
LoafedBurrito@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 95d
Only a VPN at around $65-70 per year.
dogs0n@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 95d
What!! Unless your VPN is hooked up through a NASA telescope and transmits your data through space and time 70 bucks per year is a SCAMMM!!!!!!! $70 every two/three years, that makes more sense.
LoafedBurrito@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 94d
I live in the deep South and don't want my information out there. Mullvad has done me right for years, I see no reason to change. Many other VPN's are vulnerable and can leak your information to your ISP.
dogs0n@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 93d
Rip I forgot mullvad was 5/month which is in the area that they are paying 💀
yannic@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 95d
Depends on the currency and features. If you're looking for something outside of the 14 eyes that allows port forwarding, your options are extremely limited.
Atomic@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 94d
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irotsoma@piefed.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 95d
ISP: $75/month for symmetrical 1Gbit fiber and unlimited data. This is the biggest expense. All other options are 1-25 Mbps up with cable or dsl and most are just as expensive.
VPSs: around $40/month, though I'm planning to cut back a bit as I'm moving some stuff local.
2 Domains: < $30/year
The rest is purchased with no future subscription costs. This covers everything except for the security cams that I need to migrate off of corporate services one of these days.
ohshit604@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 96d
Suggest paying for a mini PC and hosting off of that opposed to a VPS, having a dedicated machine to tinker with is much easier, just have to beat the upfront cost.
RPi also works but can get sluggish quite easily.
Epzillon@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 95d
4€ a month for a VPS. Used to host a wireguard VPN and make my home server publicly accessible with restrictions
25€ a year for the domain name.
exu@feditown.com · 2 pts · 96d
It really depends on which services you need besides whatever hardware you have lying around.
For me it's a bit higher, as I used to host all my stuff on a rented dedicated box. Having an always on server in my bedroom didn't work for me, I have moved out since and built a local sever.
If you only need a public IP to reach your stuff, an even cheaper VPS should suffice.
Edit: forgot some stuff in the first pass
Decronym@lemmy.decronym.xyz · 2 pts · 96d
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herseycokguzelolacak@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 95d
The only subscription I have is Mullvad.
Squizzy@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 95d
Any issues torrenting?
herseycokguzelolacak@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 88d
I usually rip from illegal Turkish streaming sites, so torrenting is unnecessary and harder. yt-dlp and videodownloader is usually enough.
remon@ani.social · 2 pts · 96d
Many thousand dollars sunk into hardware. The electricity bill, I guess. Other than that, Mullvad is probably the only running cost related to self-hosting.
LITHIASBUMELIA@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 95d
Last year I spent around £60 per months on subscriptions only. Plus internet £35, so nearly £100. This year I've stopped Apple (iCloud bs+), prime, Spotify, audible and replaced those with FOSS, this year a one time payment per year to a Usenet service, £60, and a vps at £5 months, the experience has changed and after a bit of adaptation it all now feels so much better than the shackled experience I used to have. Love everything about it! So all in all I used to have a budget of around £1200/year and now it's down to half of that and the experience is far far far better. I recommend it.! Would be interested now to look at what can be done with IPTV.
the@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 95d
Just domain for $11 a year.
The home server is running on old laptop so I guess slight electricity too. ISP doesn't really count since I work from home and need to pay for that anyway.
I have lifetime Windscribe VPN and Koofr 1TB, which are not subscriptions.
Sunspear@piefed.social · 2 pts · 96d
For startup costs, ~80€ for a used micro PC a few years back (+100€ for a 1TB SSD for it).
Since then
I never bothered with electricity costs, since it's a small micro PC. It probably uses sub 20W average, which, next to an AC, fridge, and WFH costs, has to be negligible, the cost of buying a measuring device in itself is probably not worth it
iceberg314@slrpnk.net · 1 pts · 96d
$2 per year for my domain name.
in_my_honest_opinion@piefed.social · 1 pts · 96d
Mullvad vpn. That's it.
hendrik@palaver.p3x.de · 1 pts · 96d
I have internet at home, an electricity bill. A few domains and a VPS.
deliriousdreams@fedia.io · 1 pts · 96d
You said anything so I guess. VPN is like... $4 a month (that's what the math works out to for my three year sub).
Cloud service is like $10 a month
Music: $15 a month
Nebula: $5 a month
Password Manager: $1.33 a month
Internet: $90 a month
Phone: $30
Wikipedia: $5 a month
Servo: $5 a month
404 Media: $8.33 a month
That's all I can think of off the top of my head unless you want like rent and utilities and that.
MuttMutt@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 96d
Domain about 10 per year (I pay for multiple years at a time), internet 55 per month with a static IP address
Beyond that I have a vpn that I use but was an early adopter so I have a lifetime subscription which cost me like a hundred bucks so call that 10 per year and getting less as time goes by, I have three other domain names not related to my homelab and webhosting also not related to my homelab. But by the time next year I should no longer be paying for any hosting. I bought a lifetime plexpass when it was like 125. Beyond that the costs are hardware and electricity and I just put an Enphase System Controller 3 and an IQ Combiner 5 on the house with 7.2kw of panels going on over the next few months and a couple IQ Battery 5P's so my power use for my homelab is basically covered.
neidu3@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 96d
german@pawb.social · 1 pts · 96d
That’s it for the recurring costs related in any way to my homelab.
synapse1278@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 95d
djdarren@piefed.social · 1 pts · 95d
Technically, £0
I do have use Mullvad VPN, but not really for any of my hosting, and I do have a Hetzner VPS for my own site, which I have started using to access things. But I can access it all with Tailscale, which is free, as long as I can remember port numbers.
But with those taken into account;
Mullvad: £5 VPS: £15 Domain registration: £35pa
So all told it's about £22 a month.
I do need to look into donating to some of the services I use the most though.
djdarren@piefed.social · 2 pts · 95d
Thinking on it, I suppose the biggest cost is in terms of my time.
Up until this point, I've put quite a bit of time into learning how things work, and how to deploy things I'd find useful, and that can replace paid for services. Even now things are set up and running, I still have a tendency to fiddle with things. I've spent far more time on my Navidrome server than I ever did on Apple Music, put it that way. The same amount of time listening, mind.
dawg@lm.kluge.cafe · 1 pts · 95d
domain: $70 / year
VPS: $200 / year (~$17 / month)
everything else is basically free, for backups i use cloudflare R2's free plan and my local machine, i don't have media/storage servers so it's more than enough
Reannlegge@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 96d
I only pay for two .ca domain names, I originally was not self hosting when I got the first one so it is rather expensive as I use a different email address for every service/site I sign up for. I get next to no spam. The next domain I have as a test domain, I will be using it to test out things before I commit to them being on my main domain.
The first domain is something expensive, as they are currently doing all the hosting, the second one was something like $11 or $12. Once I get my test setup running I will move my main one over to my self hosted system.
non_burglar@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 96d
Easynews and nzbgeek.
Well worth the 30euro each per year.
JustEnoughDucks@slrpnk.net · 0 pts · 95d
That is it I think. I don't consider internet/water/electricity subscriptions as much as utilities.
Can't really afford anything else right now because my girlfriend as a cafe owner only brings in around 1200€/month or so working >60hr/week and we have a full renovation to pay for.
I want to dedicate like 10-20€/month to FOSS I use once the situation is better.