Trump voter: Somebody asked him ‘To what extent are Americans' financial situations motivating you to make a deal?' Trump didn't care. I was angry. I voted for you, and you don't care about me?

Universally, people need keep politicians accountable, regardless of the party.

So I shouldn't vote for anyone. Got it.

You should give power to people who care about you!

That only leaves the Green Party, though.

And yeah, we learned that lesson with Obama's presidency. The man had a supermajority for a while and all he did was make fascism worse and health care more expensive.

I read a comment from a dude deep in MAGA territoryand he said the rest of us simply don't know how isolated they are news wise, everybody thinks the same and FOX et al play on TV and radio 24/7 in restaruants, bars, at work, at home, like they are surrounded by literally nothing but hard core propaganda.

I don't live there, but I'm willing to believe that at face value. Shit, USA/CIA has known how effective political propaganda is since they cut their teeth in Central and South America (they did it in lots of other places too).

The sophistication of the modern propaganda apparatus would make Goebbels blush.

IMO they haven't been hurt enough. I want farms lost. Jobs lost, I want them broken

America is the land of individuals, and decades of propaganda have cemented that, unfortunately.

I only pity their children

I've listened to these podcasts about people who get caught up in like Nigerian Prince scams for real, and they give all their money away, sell their houses, their cars, lose custody of their children and wives who leave them over it, and even when everything is hopelessly lost they still keep thinking that, but maybe it IS real.

That's what MAGA feels like.

They know, but can't admit they are wrong, ever. So they double down.

I didn't want someone who only cares about themselves! I wanted someone who only cared about me! That's why j joined narcissism club, to be around like minded people who love me!

Evangelical Christians looking at the Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health Organization decision: "Worth it!"

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at this point i don't even need them to admit they're anything but angelic of mind, all i need them to admit is "i made a mistake, i fucked up and should have acted differently".
And yet even that is beyond most trump voters.

Did you watch the video?

USian here, and it's as sad as it is scary. So many people like this lead a lazy passive existence where they put so little thought into their lives that they can be led to vote for Trump for over a decade and only today be surprised like this. And those are the "good" ones who are merely ignorant and self-centered, that aren't just proud to be nazis.

Here on Lemmy we talk about problems like controlled opposition and implicit support of genocide on the other side of the world. But compared with the median american voter we are like those geologists in the meme about how experts in a field wildly over estimate the general public's knowledge of their field. And I am NOT saying we Lemmings are policy experts -- I'm saying the average schmuck is that far behind our internet "discourse" bullshit.

If half of you country is like these people, you’d better secede and leave them try to live their bigoted selfish lives at their fullest to see what happens.

I don't disagree with you on them not having a grain of empathy, but seceding like this... won't happen. This is more often than not a urban/rural divide, so my state which votes like this has two major metros that vote against this sort of thing, as well as a smaller college town. Flipside the neighboring state of Illinois is known for being blue and voted against Trump and his policies because Chicago has more control over the state while the farmlands are red.

California has a major right wing movement in entire segments of its state that is trying to secede from the state.

If we go into a civil war again, it won't be like last time with a north vs south, it's going to be a nationwide clusterfuck. Washington, Oregon, California is the closest to being able to pull off a splitting off from the country and it being a line.

I mean they did try and there was a whole war about. Problem was there were all forgiven in an attempt to " heal the country"

It's not half of the country, it's half of the people that voted, and there is heavy voter suppression to keep people from voting. But the problem is deeper than the people. The same number of idiots and the same number of selfish people are in every country. That is something people seriously need to understand. It doesn't matter what country you're in, these same kinds of assholes are next to you whether you're aware of them or not.

So you might wonder why not every country has an administration as vile as Trump. The reason is systemic. Elections need to work in a way that doesn't give an advantage to certain candidates. No corporate or shady political donations. No bribes. No gerrymandering. No conflicts of interest. Stuff like ranked choice voting would help as well. Also automatic voter registration with universal mail in voting. Nobody should have to make a registration appointment 5 months before an election just to get the right to vote in it. And yes, I've had friends that had to book their appointments that far in advance. And no waiting in line for 4 hours to vote. And yes, I've had to stand in line for that long outside in 35+C heat to vote. There must be enforced laws to protect the integrity of elections and to keep rich and powerful assholes from controlling their outcome. When politicians do corrupt things, there needs to be consequences. Trump should have been in prison long before the election. And as the US currently exists, only rich and powerful people that accept money from billionaires can get elected. A government should be made up of the people, not of the billionaires. When politicians are billionaires, they don't represent us. At the same time, the media needs to be independent and free from the influence of billionaires as well. No single company should own most of the television and radio stations, TV channels, and streaming networks in a country. And nothing should be able to broadcast straight up propaganda with political motives and present it as news. And there needs to be a wealth tax to keep people from even becoming billionaires because wealth buys power and influence. If the goal is to keep the wealthy from having more influence than the working class, then there needs to be a cap on how wealthy someone can be. When these safeguards are removed, there is no country on the planet that won't eventually end up in the exact same situation as the US is in right now.

Yup

I don’t know… tell me how you really feel?

It’s safe but also, they voted for this. They wanted the bad stuff for others, they just didn’t wanted the bad stuff happen to them.

This is true from an emotional perspective, but neither you nor this person understands how our political system works. I mean I don't fully understand it I'm sure, but I do know one thing.

It does not matter who we vote for in the presidential election. We have an electoral college, which has overturned the popular vote on multiple different occasions. The electoral college was instituted when black men earned the right to vote, as a measure to disenfranchise them. By all means vote for someone other than Trump, but that vote doesn't have to be respected.

That is just the right wing populism playbook. They know that their most ardent voters are several chicken nuggets short of a happy meal, so they turn it into a us vs them contest, as if politics was a sport.

It works because these people lack critical thinking skills, they never ask the obvious question, "why would a billionaire do things that would harm billionaires?"

Humans are naturally tribalistic and it exists on all spectrums regardless how much you force 'education' down their throats.

Emotions, ego, bias, you name it, people just gravitate a certain way. A majority of Trump/Republican voters, I presume, are also acting on habit they're forebearers set.

No no he'll vote for Vance who truly cares.

Perhaps ? is he a 3 time Trump voter ?

that said, mayhap you're right, stupid people don't learn from their mistakes, so he's not stupid, lijely just hateful

Leopards might need to call in the hyenas, lions, caracals, jackals and vultures to join in on the face eating.

they either lose thier farms to jd vances app, or to the meg-corp farms. and some of them have alledgely taken thier own lives over losing the farms. But these gop farmers are likely owners, and not actual farmers themselves. they contracT it to the IMMIGRANTS/migrant THEY been railing about/. some are lucky to stay enough alive to get a FARM bailtout at some point.

Exactly that's why im over this country. Like so what if the people finally realize "oh wow yeah trump really is a lying piece of shit who raped children"? They're still gonna turn around and vote for Vance instead when Vance says "unlike trump, I really care about your personal finances!'

Like we can expose trump all day and everyone vould actually agree with us for once, and it still wouldn't fix the problem of these extrump voters still really wanting a fascist dictator who will round up minorities but maybe he won't be so corrupt.

The biggest thing i hear from extrump voters is "i thought he was the real deal" like they're disappointed he never actually built the Wall, that he didn't nuke iran and finish the war swiftly, that he didnt get all the gay characters off of televison. Like that's what the mainstream american is, straight up. idc how progressive you and your friends are, there's more of them than us. It's not our country anymore.

Yeah! Do better! . . Uh . . You people.

Waaaaaah! But Joe Biden! Obama! Waaaaaaah!!1!

Whatever helps you sleep at night bro. The signs were on the wall and you missed it.