Let me guess, you're someone who, hmm, finds information on Wikipedia and, aaah, has an interest in decentralised open-source projects. The spirits tell me you are not a fan of Windows and you dislike genocidal maniacs.
I once saw someone with a name tag get bent out of shape when the "reader" somehow managed to get her name from the ether. And then she got mad at me for pointing out her name tag.
To add to this, tarot and other divination methods are a great way to tap into your subconscious to get this kind of insight even if you can't do it normally. Every card can be a lot of things and having a bunch of them in various places could be interpreted in many ways, but (if you're good at it) your mind will snap into one specific interpretation according to your unconscious biases and convinces itself it is the only way to read that configuration.
Our office brought one of these "management mentalist" guys to a retreat as entertainment and I just got a kick out of lying to them so they would always be wrong.
it would have to be the identical sperm to produce you, which is highly unlikely. which sperm gets there first would be highly chaotic, so even if it was the exact same load just a small difference in time would likely mean a different sperm would get there. theres potentially hundreds of millions of sperm in a single ejaculation, so with even odds for each you have a better chance of winning the lottery than existing in this scenario.
Yeah, this also means that you wouldn't have to go back and kill your grandfather for the grandfather paradox. You wouldn't even have to cock block him. Just shake his hand. Hell, just be on the same busy street or sidewalk as him, or exist at all far enough ahead of the event, and chaos will take care of the rest.
on the other hand who's to say that another sperm would have made a noticable difference? Maybe they'd just have a slightly better sense of smell and one fewer eyelashes
Not only that, but the stars that make up the constellations are, in reality, very very far from one another.
They only appear in those patterns to us because of the very specific angle that we view the sky from.
They're also just inert balls of gas that are further away than most people can even begin to comprehend. That shit does not affect human personality for fuck sake.
Btw this guy recently got jumped and had hot grease poured over his foot causing nerve damage while walking home from pride because his car got stripped for parts by thieves. He needs money for surgery and moving out of Detroit and has yet to reach his initial goal of $50k https://www.gofundme.com/f/support-ceros-after-car-theft-and-attack
Tarot were initially invented in Italy centuries before your country even existed. It is well-known all over Europe. Including German Grosstarok and modern examples such as French Tarot and Austrian Königrufen. It is now used all over the world. The US is but a small blip on its history.
I'm Estonian, we don't do god, tarot and other similar superstitions as much here. Only some fringe lunatics do. Mostly you see tarot in American movies because Americans are the kinda people who believe that kind of bullshit but then I guess maybe western Europe is America lite since y'all literally spawned America. I just never thought western Europe was also this far gone.
I don't think it's technically correct, but that word has been mangled so badly at this point that I would say the way it's used here counts as common usage.
Thanks! Got me confused when reading the whole post but then I guessed something like what you just said already.
Just wanted to have some confirmation.
Speaks better English English closer to an arbitrary standard than most native English speakers
That's what usually happens when you focus on learning the "standard" in isolation instead of being exposed to stigmatized non-"standard" dialects as a child as you acquire your mother tongue.
Happens with literally every language, not just English.
This comment is literally correct, and all of the responses to it are literally /c/badlinguistics, so of course this comment is the one that gets downvoted.
Yeah both of those uses are fine in English. The first usage is "more" correct I would say. Literally is supposed to be used to basically say that the thing is actually happening. The second usage is also common at least in American English. Usually it's used with common figures of speech. "I was literally judging books by their cover." Technically he wasn't, he was judging people. Some people will be pedantic and call you out for that. So if you're taking an English class I'd avoid that usage but it's really common to hear it used that way. "I would literally die." It strengthens the phrase.
I take a little pride in this too. Not because I'm not easily judged (you would be right about a lot of things based on my looks) but I keep quite a few hobbies that no one would suspect and don't have many interests that are in the orbit of what might be guessed.
It lets me know when someone starts treating me like they've "clocked" what type of person I am since it's clear when someone thinks they're appealing to you/flattering you but completely whiffing.
yeah, it's a big tell for narcissistic personalities. they do a lot of cold reading to flatter people and win them over so they can start manipulating you.
I love him, it's so obvious most of his stories are made up bs for clicks and I'm here for it!
It's like hearing a wildly exaggerated story being told by that one friend but you don't say anything and don't interrupt because he's a good storyteller.
He makes good content, is often quite funny, has insightful and honest takes... I don't agree with him on absolutely 100%, but, he's a straight shooter, not shilling anything... kinda guy you could actually agree to disagree with on less consequential stuff... which is rare, and admirable.
Hope his foot's doing better... fuck, that shit was crazy.
It is a long story that he tells better than I will, but the short version is he got acid thrown at him, and suffered some pretty serious damage from that.
I have a friend who is pretty spooky at it. Believe me I use to be a tarot doubter but she is legit in tune with something.
When she told me she couldn't go to antique stores because of energies I was sure she was full of shit. Then I kept seeing things that made me be more open to it.
Like pulling the death card then a random downpour of rain type shit. One of many.
Like pulling the death card then a random downpour of rain type shit. One of many.
This one time I was playing Go Fish with my grandpa, and I asked if he had any tens, and he had four of them. Oh yeah it was also raining outside.
So spooky.
In all seriousness, I wish people were more mindful of their cognitive biases. According to Google, a standard tarot deck has 78 cards, one of which is Death.
That's a 1 in 78 chance. Not huge, but let's be real, also not very small. It's a higher chance than pulling three of a kind from a regular card deck. Something that happens all of the time.
I wonder how many times she did tarot in the rain and didn't draw Death. It doesn't mean anything.
I mean if you want your tarot readings to be accurate, you'd want exactly that. And I'm pretty sure that every remotely successful tarot reader does that.
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calliope@retrolemmy.com · 176 pts · 35d
Indeed, this is called cold reading and is how most of these things work.
drolex@sopuli.xyz · 122 pts · 35d
Let me guess, you're someone who, hmm, finds information on Wikipedia and, aaah, has an interest in decentralised open-source projects. The spirits tell me you are not a fan of Windows and you dislike genocidal maniacs.
calliope@retrolemmy.com · 86 pts · 35d
Oh my god it’s like you KNOW ME
gedfromgont@piefed.ca · 21 pts · 35d
You also like Linux and Star Trek
calliope@retrolemmy.com · 19 pts · 35d
Half correct! I never got into Star Trek.
Whostosay@sh.itjust.works · 34 pts · 35d
Never got into star trek, yet.
IT WAS FORTOLD
calliope@retrolemmy.com · 4 pts · 35d
Well shit in that case I wonder where I should start
bitjunkie@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 35d
Lower Decks seems like the most accessible, though I haven't seen it.
Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 9 pts · 35d
I mean Star Wars
bitjunkie@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 35d
Same thing
ayyy@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 35d
RIP 🪦
calliope@retrolemmy.com · 2 pts · 35d
Also no! At this point I’d probably just start helping the person out.
I don’t like Battlestar Galactica, either. I’m more of a Last Starfighter guy.
SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de · 4 pts · 35d
Easy mistake. They meant star gate
Damage@feddit.it · 2 pts · 35d
Well you're here so it's bound to happen
EggInDisguise@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 47 pts · 35d
I once saw someone with a name tag get bent out of shape when the "reader" somehow managed to get her name from the ether. And then she got mad at me for pointing out her name tag.
Klear@piefed.world · 26 pts · 35d
To add to this, tarot and other divination methods are a great way to tap into your subconscious to get this kind of insight even if you can't do it normally. Every card can be a lot of things and having a bunch of them in various places could be interpreted in many ways, but (if you're good at it) your mind will snap into one specific interpretation according to your unconscious biases and convinces itself it is the only way to read that configuration.
chiliedogg@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 35d
Yeah. This is why some people can genuinely believe in the magic while performing the trick.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 33d
What an interesting attempt to legitimize this completely illegitimate con.
It's cold reading. You're not divining anything. They're cards with cool little pictures on them. That's it.
Sineljora@sh.itjust.works · 10 pts · 35d
This is what AI/LLMs do also.
eleijeep@piefed.social · 8 pts · 35d
The fact that so many people fall for cold-reading tells us why there are so many people that think that LLMs are intelligent.
socsa@piefed.social · 4 pts · 35d
Our office brought one of these "management mentalist" guys to a retreat as entertainment and I just got a kick out of lying to them so they would always be wrong.
ayyy@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 35d
A management mentalist at a work retreat. I’m amazed you are alive to tell the tale, I would’ve offed myself.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 33d
Most? Try all
Kolanaki@pawb.social · 36 pts · 35d
So he does know how to read tarot cards.
EggInDisguise@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 33 pts · 35d
But I'm the asshole if I don't take people seriously when they go on about astrology and how it's the perfect system.
drolex@sopuli.xyz · 18 pts · 35d
That's some Scorpio skepticism. You're a victim of the influence of the stars smh
Thebeardedsinglemalt@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 35d
Because if my parents had banged 3 days earlier I'd be much more agreeable
applebusch@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 9 pts · 35d
you wouldnt exist. they would've had one of their other possible children.
Hacksaw@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 35d
3 days.... I think the same sperm could have made it.... It's possible strictly speaking
applebusch@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 35d
it would have to be the identical sperm to produce you, which is highly unlikely. which sperm gets there first would be highly chaotic, so even if it was the exact same load just a small difference in time would likely mean a different sperm would get there. theres potentially hundreds of millions of sperm in a single ejaculation, so with even odds for each you have a better chance of winning the lottery than existing in this scenario.
Buddahriffic@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 35d
Yeah, this also means that you wouldn't have to go back and kill your grandfather for the grandfather paradox. You wouldn't even have to cock block him. Just shake his hand. Hell, just be on the same busy street or sidewalk as him, or exist at all far enough ahead of the event, and chaos will take care of the rest.
Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de · 1 pts · 33d
on the other hand who's to say that another sperm would have made a noticable difference? Maybe they'd just have a slightly better sense of smell and one fewer eyelashes
applebusch@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 33d
the fact that pretty much all siblings are way more different than that... a different sperm would just be one of your siblings.
TechieDamien@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 34d
They hate it when I mention that the stars move in the sky, so the constellations not only move but also change shape.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 33d
Not only that, but the stars that make up the constellations are, in reality, very very far from one another.
They only appear in those patterns to us because of the very specific angle that we view the sky from.
They're also just inert balls of gas that are further away than most people can even begin to comprehend. That shit does not affect human personality for fuck sake.
bandanawearingbanana@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 35d
Tbh most people into astrology don't take it that seriously either it's just for fun.
grandma@sh.itjust.works · 27 pts · 35d
Btw this guy recently got jumped and had hot grease poured over his foot causing nerve damage while walking home from pride because his car got stripped for parts by thieves. He needs money for surgery and moving out of Detroit and has yet to reach his initial goal of $50k https://www.gofundme.com/f/support-ceros-after-car-theft-and-attack
Karjalan@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 35d
Wtf? Why are people so shit
Honytawk@discuss.tchncs.de · 5 pts · 34d
Ah, so he is American then?
boonhet@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 34d
I mean you could tell by the fact that people go get tarot readings lol
Honytawk@discuss.tchncs.de · 1 pts · 33d
You think tarots are only known in the US?
You also must be American.
Tarot were initially invented in Italy centuries before your country even existed. It is well-known all over Europe. Including German Grosstarok and modern examples such as French Tarot and Austrian Königrufen. It is now used all over the world. The US is but a small blip on its history.
So no, you can't tell they are American.
boonhet@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 33d
I'm Estonian, we don't do god, tarot and other similar superstitions as much here. Only some fringe lunatics do. Mostly you see tarot in American movies because Americans are the kinda people who believe that kind of bullshit but then I guess maybe western Europe is America lite since y'all literally spawned America. I just never thought western Europe was also this far gone.
Multiplexer@discuss.tchncs.de · 12 pts · 35d
Interested foreign language guy question:
Is this a correct use of the word "literally"?
DickFiasco@sh.itjust.works · 18 pts · 35d
I don't think it's technically correct, but that word has been mangled so badly at this point that I would say the way it's used here counts as common usage.
Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 35d
It has come to a point where literally means both literally and figurativelly depending on context.
gibmiser@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 35d
You are literally correct
Multiplexer@discuss.tchncs.de · 5 pts · 35d
Thanks! Got me confused when reading the whole post but then I guessed something like what you just said already.
Just wanted to have some confirmation.
SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 35d
hakase@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 35d
That's what usually happens when you focus on learning the "standard" in isolation instead of being exposed to stigmatized non-"standard" dialects as a child as you acquire your mother tongue.
Happens with literally every language, not just English.
Klear@piefed.world · 0 pts · 35d
It's not mangled, it's just used as a hyperbole. When you say someone is tall as a mountain you're not mangling the word "mountain" in doing so.
SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 35d
When you say someone is literally as tall as a mountain, that literally means that they would be at least 2,000 feet tall.
Klear@piefed.world · 0 pts · 35d
Yes. In that case it's not used as a hyperbole.
SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 35d
Right, so "literally" indicates that the statement is not a hyperbole.
Klear@piefed.world · -2 pts · 35d
Not always. When I say my head literally exploded, the word "literally" absolutely is a hyperbole.
Serinus@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 35d
That defeats the purpose of the word. It makes it mean literally nothing.
hakase@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 35d
This comment is literally correct, and all of the responses to it are literally /c/badlinguistics, so of course this comment is the one that gets downvoted.
SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 35d
There's literally no difference in the usage.
drolex@sopuli.xyz · 7 pts · 35d
Literally literally means metaphorically now
hakase@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 35d
And has since at least the 1700s.
ExperimentalGuy@programming.dev · 5 pts · 35d
It's emphasis in this context rather than its actual definition.
thekidxp@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 35d
Yeah both of those uses are fine in English. The first usage is "more" correct I would say. Literally is supposed to be used to basically say that the thing is actually happening. The second usage is also common at least in American English. Usually it's used with common figures of speech. "I was literally judging books by their cover." Technically he wasn't, he was judging people. Some people will be pedantic and call you out for that. So if you're taking an English class I'd avoid that usage but it's really common to hear it used that way. "I would literally die." It strengthens the phrase.
Multiplexer@discuss.tchncs.de · 3 pts · 35d
Thanks!
And I've heard similar expressions like in the last example you mentioned being used before, so should have known by myself...
NihilsineNefas@slrpnk.net · 11 pts · 34d
TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 35d
My favorite part of this is when people do it to me and they are almost always 100% wrong.
they get really mad and call me an asshole. because apparently i'm suppose to just agree with their shit takes about me.
Donkter@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 35d
I take a little pride in this too. Not because I'm not easily judged (you would be right about a lot of things based on my looks) but I keep quite a few hobbies that no one would suspect and don't have many interests that are in the orbit of what might be guessed.
It lets me know when someone starts treating me like they've "clocked" what type of person I am since it's clear when someone thinks they're appealing to you/flattering you but completely whiffing.
TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 35d
yeah, it's a big tell for narcissistic personalities. they do a lot of cold reading to flatter people and win them over so they can start manipulating you.
wyldrstallyns@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 7 pts · 35d
My guy doesn't realize he's actually reading tarot. 🤣
yuri@pawb.social · 7 pts · 35d
ceros is pretty cool, his youtube channel can be a trip
bandanawearingbanana@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 35d
I love him, it's so obvious most of his stories are made up bs for clicks and I'm here for it!
It's like hearing a wildly exaggerated story being told by that one friend but you don't say anything and don't interrupt because he's a good storyteller.
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 35d
Yeah I was gonna say the same!
He makes good content, is often quite funny, has insightful and honest takes... I don't agree with him on absolutely 100%, but, he's a straight shooter, not shilling anything... kinda guy you could actually agree to disagree with on less consequential stuff... which is rare, and admirable.
Hope his foot's doing better... fuck, that shit was crazy.
bitjunkie@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 35d
What happened to his foot?
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 35d
It is a long story that he tells better than I will, but the short version is he got acid thrown at him, and suffered some pretty serious damage from that.
Olgratin_Magmatoe@slrpnk.net · 6 pts · 35d
I love the mobile seat + table setup.
Sam_Bass@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 35d
and thus began the saga of the bene gesserit
PartyAt15thAndSummit@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 35d
Butlerian Jihad when?
Sam_Bass@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 35d
at least a thousand years hence
TwoBeeSan@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 35d
Good for him. Get that moonay.
I have a friend who is pretty spooky at it. Believe me I use to be a tarot doubter but she is legit in tune with something.
When she told me she couldn't go to antique stores because of energies I was sure she was full of shit. Then I kept seeing things that made me be more open to it.
Like pulling the death card then a random downpour of rain type shit. One of many.
She's a witch.
SkyezOpen@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 35d
Yeah close enough.
Wren@lemmy.today · 8 pts · 35d
I don't believe in tarot reading at all, but I did enough middle school goth witch cosplay to know that death is a water card.
queermunist@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 35d
The death card signifies change, actually. Surely you've seen the Simpsons bit?
Lumidaub@feddit.org · 3 pts · 34d
Now count the times that no card corresponded to anything.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 33d
This one time I was playing Go Fish with my grandpa, and I asked if he had any tens, and he had four of them. Oh yeah it was also raining outside.
So spooky.
In all seriousness, I wish people were more mindful of their cognitive biases. According to Google, a standard tarot deck has 78 cards, one of which is Death.
That's a 1 in 78 chance. Not huge, but let's be real, also not very small. It's a higher chance than pulling three of a kind from a regular card deck. Something that happens all of the time.
I wonder how many times she did tarot in the rain and didn't draw Death. It doesn't mean anything.
Confirmation bias is a helluva thing.
Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works · -4 pts · 34d
This isn't even remotely how tarot works lol. I know he said that, but like... I'd be pissed if I paid for tarot and got whatever the hell he's doing.
It's not hard... Tarot almost always comes with a fucking book to look up the stuff.
boonhet@sopuli.xyz · 4 pts · 34d
I mean if you want your tarot readings to be accurate, you'd want exactly that. And I'm pretty sure that every remotely successful tarot reader does that.
Wtf the cards gonna do on their own? lmao
DaPorkchop_@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 34d
The sign does say "FREE" so it's not like anyone is paying for this...
modus@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 34d
Sounds like he's getting just as much entertainment as his clients. Everyone's going home happy.