There's also the fun part where all your chats gets released in a court case or the AI company gets bought out by facebook and they immediately sell all your personal chat logs to advertisers
"Male loneliness" aka "I've been raised to think that patriarchy works and that I deserve a bunch of shit without reason. Why is the world so mean to me?" Meanwhile, everyone is lonely because capitalists made it cost money to see people and no one's got any of that.
Lonely man here. I've been raised to think that every man are pervert and women keep getting catcalled and harassed in the street. I'm so ashamed of myself that I just cannot approach a woman without thinking I will annoy her and will be rejected no matter what I try. So I just... don't.
I understand people using LLM for romance. I don't use it because of big corps. But If I had a fully local, fast, LLM, I think I would also use it.
That's another example. People are just people. If you interact with them, you'll be shocked to find that most of them have just as complicated relationship with the world as you do. You don't need to be afraid that everyone views you as a monster because of your gender. They don't. They won't trust you initially cause we live in a time of low trust (most interactions you have are people trying to get one over on you, because of the anonymity of the interaction). All that it takes to get over that is more interactions with the same people. Then you'll be more confident in other interactions with strangers going forward.
i've been a feminist since i was 12. that didn't stop other people from having prejudice about how i am "about to rape them" the moment i turn my face towards them
Now imagine how fucking lonely it is needing to devote mental effort to finding out which men aren't rapists.
Dude, I'm 6'4", over weight, have AuDHD, and resting bitch face. Do you think I don't have the same lived experience as you? I lived until I was in my mid 20s like the world perceived me as a monster. I'm telling you that it isn't a male loneliness problem, it's a loneliness problem and your ego can't or won't let you see past the parts of that that directly impact you.
People who basically never leave their room/apartment and masturbate like it's going out of style.
Hikikomori is basically the Japanese word for a person who literally never goes outside, never socializes in person ... 'gooning' is now a verb for masturbating.
Ah yes, those people are totally start going out and fucking as much as possible. It's not like that is a symptom of a more general social issue that has been getting worse way before LLMs were popular. And it is also not that people will develop relationships with all sorts of inanimate objects and concepts to cope with reality. The problem was just the AI guys, yay pat yourself in the back
Just the same as many folks falling on hard time grab for booze and/or other substances to get to their day. People I general don't become poor by doing drugs first. But that would mean admitting society has structural issues that are most likely very profitable to a small minority.
Iʻm no wizard of number words, but I think the declining birth rate there might have something to do with the decades of one-child policy that wound up favoring male children...
States don't have rights at all, rights are for people. But, the purpose of a state is to make society livable and sustainable. There is likely a benefit to society in mitigating the use of parasocial relationships with chat bots as a substitute for actual interpersonal relationships.
LLMs are horrible at a lot of things, but this is one area where they excel i'd guess. The things are trained on volumes upon volumes of spicy fanfic and roleplay chats posted for free online. They can probably cater to kinks that I don't even know exist. Because the lonely aren't seeking objective responses the hallucinations aren't as obvious.
Not that it's a good thing that they are okay at this though. I'd hate to find out a person got LLM induced psychosis from their fake AI gf.
Donât see a source on this bc shitpost but tbf I donât think most people want kids in a world thatâs actively burning down lmao
Also isnât Chinaâs youth unemployment rate something like 20%?
Iâm sure itâs not great in other countries either but yeah think I remember reading about the âlay flatâ movement (kind of like quiet quitting/job finding struggles in the US)
A lot of those girls were hidden or otherwise, kept off the books from the Chinese government. Not actually that hard in the more rural areas. Not that that excuses the Chinese government's polices, but the families of those girls weren't all that depraved. Lot of of adult women suddenly started materializing out of nothing for college.
It's been years, so citing my source is hard, but I'll see what I can find.
...have analyzed statistics and found that a combination of late registration and unreported births explains a larger portion of the "missing girls" than previously reported in Chinese sex-ratio-at-birth statistics. Their findings are published this month in the journal China Quarterly.
The researchers believe local government officials informally worked with farmers and acknowledged that they couldn't fully enforce the one-child policy. Instead they made tacit agreements in allowing families to have extra children in exchange for social stability in their communities. The cadres, or local governments, would then under-report âout of planâ births that ultimately influenced the national population statistics.
There was also abortions happening and infanticide probably trails behind that. Not great, but not as bad as is passed around. People probably aren't having kids in China for the same reason they're not having kids everywhere else. Despite what we hear, people in China are either too poor or too busy with work.
Here in the States, AI romance is one of the few AI services common shlubs will pay for. Most users only use their free token allotment. Otherwise it's businesses that buy tokens and drive AI profits.
And US AI offerings are still plummeting into debt, so any service that makes money is welcome. So far, AI workforce replacement costs more than human workers (by far) and does a poorer job most of the time. Hence Doctorow's notion of a reverse centaur, the human employee that checks the machine's work (rather than the machine checking and augmenting human work).
Also here in the States we have a culture war. Manosphere men (Incels, MGTOW, seduction culture, alpha males, etc.) vote Republican, so influencers get infused with billionaire money. But women (even conservative women) find them insufferable. The battle of the sexes, like the war against trans folk, immigrants and libs serves to distract people away from class consciousness.
Zoomers are not having sex compared to prior generations at the same age, and an AI companion might be a serviceable substitute. They were already taking on waifus anyway.
The affordability crisis, poor job growth and poorer upward mobility also informs the lowest fertility rate in US history (below 1.6 which some think is critical). To be fair, US fertility has been below replacement for decades, and we made it up with immigration.
And it's the ownership class most frightened by depopulation. Curiously they keep making policy decisions that are downright anti-natal.
Their folly is keeping the population educated, which is actually the highest correlation with declining birth rates.
If AI could be better, there's no need to support education. But without source material from educated people to cultivate it's growth, eventually the AI will wither again.
We are entering an age of neo-feudalism because there is not much more to construct nor motivation to innovate (China doesn't scare as hard as USSR). And when an entire generation adopts malaise and substitution like the Zoomers, the old hegemony of US dominance wanes, which sets the groundwork for a radicalized future after that period.
It's like that saying: strong men make strong times, which produces weak men which begets weak times of increased radicalization, which produces strong men. Ad nauseum.
They're doing a lot to curb education now, and as it is, STEM and literacy are dropping hard in generation alpha.
But that also means the US master race is just not going to be able to compete compared to EU and China. If the US was stable, it would mean the US would turn into another North Korea.
But the US is destabilizing as we watch. We may end up in the same situation that Germany was in during the late 1930s, where they borrowed too much and run out of resources, and have a big ol' army standing by; it's time to get expansionist.
I think Chinese bombers over Washington blotting out the sun is the worst possible outcome, but it's still on the table.
It's a slippery slope for any repressive government. Isolate people so they can't revolt, but don't overdo it because birth rates will decline after a certain point.
It seems like one of the few upsides of the planet killing plagiarism machine is that it is bringing back forms of unnatural selection we could probably use before hitting full idiocracy.
79 Comments
Console_Modder@sh.itjust.works · 116 pts · 34d
Downloads an ai chat bot
devilish666@lemmy.world · 90 pts · 34d
Who the fuck romancing AI? I guess this is new low for humankind, don't blame me if someday we got doomed because of it.
beveradb@sh.itjust.works · 77 pts · 34d
I hate to be the one to inform you but... legit hundreds of millions of people đ
stoy@lemmy.zip · 55 pts · 34d
Lonely man here, I'd rather stay lonely my entire life than have my emotions held hostage simping for an LLM.
village604@adultswim.fan · 25 pts · 34d
You're not their target audience
LH0ezVT@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 34d
Thank fuck I am not
stoy@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 33d
Correct, I have some self respect
Fedizen@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 34d
There's also the fun part where all your chats gets released in a court case or the AI company gets bought out by facebook and they immediately sell all your personal chat logs to advertisers
FoxtrotDeltaTango@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 34d
Yeah, Same here honestly
Buddahriffic@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 33d
Held hostage? I don't get how anyone can suspend their disbelief enough to not feel like a tool "romancing" a sophisticated text predictor.
CADmonkey@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 33d
It's easier if you assume that these are people who have never received any kind of positive reinforcement ever in their lives.
devilish666@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 34d
Sigh... I guess male loneliness is real things now, the end of era happening so fast that i can imagine
chuckleslord@lemmy.world · -5 pts · 34d
"Male loneliness" aka "I've been raised to think that patriarchy works and that I deserve a bunch of shit without reason. Why is the world so mean to me?" Meanwhile, everyone is lonely because capitalists made it cost money to see people and no one's got any of that.
borokov@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 34d
Lonely man here. I've been raised to think that every man are pervert and women keep getting catcalled and harassed in the street. I'm so ashamed of myself that I just cannot approach a woman without thinking I will annoy her and will be rejected no matter what I try. So I just... don't.
I understand people using LLM for romance. I don't use it because of big corps. But If I had a fully local, fast, LLM, I think I would also use it.
clover@slrpnk.net · 9 pts · 34d
To give a specific actionable practice, find a local public hobby meetup and go to it.
Joining a sea shanty sing-a-long at a local bar changed my life
gandalf_der_12te@feddit.org · 5 pts · 34d
chuckleslord@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 34d
That's another example. People are just people. If you interact with them, you'll be shocked to find that most of them have just as complicated relationship with the world as you do. You don't need to be afraid that everyone views you as a monster because of your gender. They don't. They won't trust you initially cause we live in a time of low trust (most interactions you have are people trying to get one over on you, because of the anonymity of the interaction). All that it takes to get over that is more interactions with the same people. Then you'll be more confident in other interactions with strangers going forward.
gandalf_der_12te@feddit.org · 5 pts · 34d
i've been a feminist since i was 12. that didn't stop other people from having prejudice about how i am "about to rape them" the moment i turn my face towards them
chuckleslord@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 33d
Now imagine how fucking lonely it is needing to devote mental effort to finding out which men aren't rapists.
Dude, I'm 6'4", over weight, have AuDHD, and resting bitch face. Do you think I don't have the same lived experience as you? I lived until I was in my mid 20s like the world perceived me as a monster. I'm telling you that it isn't a male loneliness problem, it's a loneliness problem and your ego can't or won't let you see past the parts of that that directly impact you.
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 23 pts · 34d
https://www.reddit.com/r/MyBoyfriendIsAI/
... ok, so we got uh... the 'BookTok' crowd of bipolar/neurotic smut connoisseurs...
https://www.reddit.com/r/MyGirlfriendIsAI/
... and a mix of hopeless chuds and niceguy incels.
And probably also just a segment of full time hikikomori permagooners, of any sex/gender.
There ya go, that's roughly who.
reshuffle6655@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 8 pts · 34d
"hikikomori permagooners"
My curiosity is at war with my desire to remain optimistic about humanity
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 12 pts · 34d
Sorry uh ... in less 'online speak'...
People who basically never leave their room/apartment and masturbate like it's going out of style.
Hikikomori is basically the Japanese word for a person who literally never goes outside, never socializes in person ... 'gooning' is now a verb for masturbating.
CultLeader4Hire@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 34d
The American term for this is âcreepy shut inâ
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 34d
I'm American, and I said what I said, lol
reshuffle6655@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 33d
I mean, I guess I'd prefer my permagooners to be shut ins at least. Thanks for satisfying my curiosity!
pivot_root@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 34d
More importantly, who the fuck is anthroporphizing AI?
lyralycan@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 34d
Google Gemini: "I am..."
captainlezbian@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 32d
Oh shit, it's god?
stumu415@lemmy.zip · 50 pts · 34d
None of this shit in China
OS2Warp@lemmy.zip · 43 pts · 34d
Wirlocke@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 20 pts · 34d
OS2Warp@lemmy.zip · 12 pts · 34d
That I cannot
CADmonkey@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 33d
Coming soon from Boston Dynamics and Realdoll.
TherapyGary@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 30 pts · 34d
What does chud even mean anymore
volore@scribe.disroot.org · 36 pts · 34d
Cannibalistic Humanoid Underground Dwellers?
PattyMcB@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 34d
blackbelt352@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 34d
Right wingers angry at culture war nonsense and make it their entire personality.
wrinkle2409@lemmy.cafe · 25 pts · 34d
Ah yes, those people are totally start going out and fucking as much as possible. It's not like that is a symptom of a more general social issue that has been getting worse way before LLMs were popular. And it is also not that people will develop relationships with all sorts of inanimate objects and concepts to cope with reality. The problem was just the AI guys, yay pat yourself in the back
Flower@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 34d
Just the same as many folks falling on hard time grab for booze and/or other substances to get to their day. People I general don't become poor by doing drugs first. But that would mean admitting society has structural issues that are most likely very profitable to a small minority.
Etterra@discuss.online · 25 pts · 34d
I hate to break it to them but that's not a reason people would stop fucking - it's a consequence.
AppleMango@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 34d
It could become a reason eventually
khanh@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 33d
in a world where people are growing older by the minute, "eventually" is not an option
FrChazzz@lemmus.org · 21 pts · 34d
Iʻm no wizard of number words, but I think the declining birth rate there might have something to do with the decades of one-child policy that wound up favoring male children...
FoxtrotDeltaTango@sh.itjust.works · 9 pts · 34d
And the brutal abortions if the child being born was a girl
HK65@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 32d
That's not an abortion at the point the child has a gender, that's just plain murder.
FoxtrotDeltaTango@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 32d
Yeah, basically murder but with extra steps
Abyssian@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 34d
Are you a wizard of other words?
unemployedclaquer@sopuli.xyz · 5 pts · 34d
Eschatology is for end times stuff, scatology is poop stuff, there is definitely a word magic in there
Gladaed@feddit.org · 21 pts · 34d
Doing the "right" thing for a very wrong reason is still wrong.
There are legitimate reasons to be skeptical, but the state has no right to your children.
ceenote@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 34d
States don't have rights at all, rights are for people. But, the purpose of a state is to make society livable and sustainable. There is likely a benefit to society in mitigating the use of parasocial relationships with chat bots as a substitute for actual interpersonal relationships.
impairedimperator@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 34d
I think there is benefit to society in creating alternatives to parasocial relationships with chat bots.
Until then, I see this as somewhat analogous to fighting ADHD by banning Adderall. Yeah, the drugs aren't good for you, but the lack of them is worse.
LH0ezVT@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 34d
But on the other hand, crack is also not good for you. I think a society where crack is banned is probably better than one where it is abundant
impairedimperator@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 33d
And yet, cocaine is schedule 2 in the US, with legitimate medical uses primarily in pediatric emergency medicine.
LH0ezVT@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 33d
Likewise, LLMs have legit uses, but people can get trapped by the sycophantic hallucination machine
impairedimperator@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 33d
And in an ideal world, kids don't get head injuries and don't get cocaine smeared on them. But we don't live in that world.
tacosanonymous@mander.xyz · 5 pts · 34d
Agreed but this is a shitpost?
Gladaed@feddit.org · 9 pts · 34d
A shitpost with a shit message might be a shit post
mika_mika@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 34d
LLMs are horrible at a lot of things, but this is one area where they excel i'd guess. The things are trained on volumes upon volumes of spicy fanfic and roleplay chats posted for free online. They can probably cater to kinks that I don't even know exist. Because the lonely aren't seeking objective responses the hallucinations aren't as obvious.
Not that it's a good thing that they are okay at this though. I'd hate to find out a person got LLM induced psychosis from their fake AI gf.
Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz · 20 pts · 34d
They're kinda garbage at any creative writing the same way they suck at humor; they're either weirdly non-sequiturious or incredibly boring.
MrKoyun@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 33d
Porn doesn't need to be very artistically advanced for people's consumption.
Look, stepbro, I got stuck in the washing machine! Again!
Fedizen@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 34d
LLMs have yet to enter the monetization process where the models get bogged down with ads for pepsi or whatever.
Chud: "I love you, robot who always agrees with me"
LLM: "I'm just holding my pepsi coke here and I'm so excited to say I love you too"
Broadfern@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 34d
Donât see a source on this bc shitpost but tbf I donât think most people want kids in a world thatâs actively burning down lmao
Also isnât Chinaâs youth unemployment rate something like 20%?
Iâm sure itâs not great in other countries either but yeah think I remember reading about the âlay flatâ movement (kind of like quiet quitting/job finding struggles in the US)
deft@lemmy.wtf · 15 pts · 34d
It's cause young Chinese men don't fuck.
And you killed all the little girls decades ago.
Duamerthrax@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 34d
A lot of those girls were hidden or otherwise, kept off the books from the Chinese government. Not actually that hard in the more rural areas. Not that that excuses the Chinese government's polices, but the families of those girls weren't all that depraved. Lot of of adult women suddenly started materializing out of nothing for college.
It's been years, so citing my source is hard, but I'll see what I can find.
edit: https://news.ku.edu/news/article/2016/11/22/study-finds-chinas-missing-girls-theory-likely-far-overblown
There was also abortions happening and infanticide probably trails behind that. Not great, but not as bad as is passed around. People probably aren't having kids in China for the same reason they're not having kids everywhere else. Despite what we hear, people in China are either too poor or too busy with work.
Abyssian@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 34d
I did not. That's never been proven.
Katana314@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 33d
Sorry man, still busy searching for a source from when I said the sky is blue and a CCP asked me to prove it. I have a lot to catch up on.
daannii@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 34d
It's actually capitalism declining the birth rate.
LodeMike@lemmy.today · 10 pts · 34d
Yeah. Thinking chatbots is why birth rate is declining is like thinking drug use leads to job loss (it's the other way around)
uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 8 pts · 34d
Here in the States, AI romance is one of the few AI services common shlubs will pay for. Most users only use their free token allotment. Otherwise it's businesses that buy tokens and drive AI profits.
And US AI offerings are still plummeting into debt, so any service that makes money is welcome. So far, AI workforce replacement costs more than human workers (by far) and does a poorer job most of the time. Hence Doctorow's notion of a reverse centaur, the human employee that checks the machine's work (rather than the machine checking and augmenting human work).
Also here in the States we have a culture war. Manosphere men (Incels, MGTOW, seduction culture, alpha males, etc.) vote Republican, so influencers get infused with billionaire money. But women (even conservative women) find them insufferable. The battle of the sexes, like the war against trans folk, immigrants and libs serves to distract people away from class consciousness.
Zoomers are not having sex compared to prior generations at the same age, and an AI companion might be a serviceable substitute. They were already taking on waifus anyway.
The affordability crisis, poor job growth and poorer upward mobility also informs the lowest fertility rate in US history (below 1.6 which some think is critical). To be fair, US fertility has been below replacement for decades, and we made it up with immigration.
And it's the ownership class most frightened by depopulation. Curiously they keep making policy decisions that are downright anti-natal.
veni_vedi_veni@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 33d
Their folly is keeping the population educated, which is actually the highest correlation with declining birth rates.
If AI could be better, there's no need to support education. But without source material from educated people to cultivate it's growth, eventually the AI will wither again.
We are entering an age of neo-feudalism because there is not much more to construct nor motivation to innovate (China doesn't scare as hard as USSR). And when an entire generation adopts malaise and substitution like the Zoomers, the old hegemony of US dominance wanes, which sets the groundwork for a radicalized future after that period.
It's like that saying: strong men make strong times, which produces weak men which begets weak times of increased radicalization, which produces strong men. Ad nauseum.
uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 33d
They're doing a lot to curb education now, and as it is, STEM and literacy are dropping hard in generation alpha.
But that also means the US master race is just not going to be able to compete compared to EU and China. If the US was stable, it would mean the US would turn into another North Korea.
But the US is destabilizing as we watch. We may end up in the same situation that Germany was in during the late 1930s, where they borrowed too much and run out of resources, and have a big ol' army standing by; it's time to get expansionist.
I think Chinese bombers over Washington blotting out the sun is the worst possible outcome, but it's still on the table.
AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space · 7 pts · 34d
Perhaps they can next bring back Maoist self-criticism, but make it a dating profile workshop
RedstoneValley@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 34d
It's a slippery slope for any repressive government. Isolate people so they can't revolt, but don't overdo it because birth rates will decline after a certain point.
eestileib@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 34d
People who don't think their own life is worth living aren't going to have kids.
LodeMike@lemmy.today · 4 pts · 34d
Chuds existed before these things
Folstar@lemmus.org · 3 pts · 34d
It seems like one of the few upsides of the planet killing plagiarism machine is that it is bringing back forms of unnatural selection we could probably use before hitting full idiocracy.
icelimit@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 32d
Inb4 state sponsored uterus loaded robots a la westlife
SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 33d
Does that include games like âLove and Deepspaceâ https://youtu.be/-BfagDqg8zU
AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 32d
Anything can be a scapegoat if it means not accepting responsibility