Once you add the underwater airlock in preparation for rising sea levels, it'll no longer be an issue.
Once the underwater airlock becomes a full-time essential feature, you'll get to test whether you properly installed explosive decompression preventions at high tide.
After that, you only have to worry about how much of your sand and bedrock the currents wash away.
There are some shells you can get that you bury to make a cellar like this. Sand would be very easy to do this with. It would also be less efficient, pretty sure heavy soils make better cellars.
Everybody already knows that food lasts longer if not stored in direct sunlight. Tech bros are the only idiots that would try and pull something like this off.
We can only be thankful that it isn't another train. They love to invent trains.
No we need to make more trains. You only invent them once.
But the tech bros like to talk about self-driving cars, that drive on special self-driving car roads, that are only for self-driving cars. Yeah that's a train.
Let's build self driving cars that go on special self driving roads that handle all the steering. To minimize fuel losses from friction while being long lasting, the wheels should be made of some kind of metal, and have a specialized shape to stay centered on the self driving road.
Heck, we could market this to trucking companies, with the low rolling resistance, they could hook a bunch of trailers together! Make some sort of a linked-cargo-hauler, that goes to special depots specifically for these extra long contraptions.
I'm so glad I alone thought of this breakthrough in transportation!
With the recent heat waves we've been having it's nice to visit the cellar for a few minutes of cooling down. Of course I can't stay too long because of the radon.
Go diy a radon remover, 3in PVC and a centrifugal fan. Just get it as low as you can to the floor. No reason to get a real system unless you are gonna live there. Any abatement helps.
I was slightly exaggerating for comic effect. I do have an extractor fan on a timer which stops build ups. It's definitely not rated for human habitation but the servers are quite happy there 😉
My grandparents used to have an air raid shelter in their garden, you could use it to freeze water in the height of summer.
Although I wouldn't recommend storing food down there because it was always damp, and full of spiders. I don't particularly mind spiders but I don't want to accidentally eat them.
Lmao apocalypse proof, except he built it on the beach so even a little bit of global warming would flood it right away. Apocalypse proof, except for that one actual apocalypse we have confirmed is in progress right now.
This has to be a photoshop. The water table at the beach is the same level as the surface of the ocean, so usually somewhere between a few centimeters to a meter.
Yeah obviously this is fake as fuck. It's the perfect tech bro invention in that it's dumb and flawed in every way and also already exists but better for a very long time.
It isn't even good photoshop, the angles are all wrong. Like is it in the side of a hill? But it looks like it's on flat ground? It makes no sense.
Thankfully for me I find the game too confusing and boring to be enjoyable, because liking it seems like a really bad idea if you have an addictive personality.
Truly. When playing Civ I lose all sense of time, and even when in the mindset of 'I'm gonna save and quit' there's always one more quick thing to do first. I have to police myself hard because I will lose at least a week if I get into a campaign.
I'm not even really a gamer. Games I enjoy I have a difficult time playing for more than a twenty minute spurt. But Civ... Civ is like fucking hypnotoad, it overrides all other feelings and desires. If you find it confusing and boring just go with that and you'll be much better off.
That's funny. Stellaris is the one game I have specifically forbidden myself from playing, so it's good to get confirmation that it would ruin my life!
It's definitely an enjoyable experience though, I have somehow managed to keep it at 220 hours.
I will say after the first couple of games I started adding a titan (an endgame ship that you can build a handful of) to my new save files because I'm here for fun.
Might have to try some of the mods, and lose even more of my life to it!
Nope, can't say I've ever said that. I'm sorry but the game is way too complicated and my ADHD is way too severe. Couldn't even make it past the tutorial.
I don't think a 10C cellar is possible year round in the USA. In Canada where snow is covering the ground half the year and there is a little bit of remaining permafrost, 10C is vaguely possible.
Most food here is labeled "keep below 8°C" so I set my fridge to 7. No need to waste power. Unless you keep raw meat or fish then yes you wanna be close to freezing
They're referring to wood-framed houses that have a layer of what's essentially cardboard between the frame and the plastic vapor barrier that adds rigidity to the framing.
It looks flimsy as hell, but is actually good engineering. Think of it like Ikea furniture that racks until you put the cardboard backing on it, but then is remarkably stable. It also doesn't crack as the house settles or the ground moves, is easy to patch and repair, can be effectively environmentally sealed with tape when you run plumbing or electrical to it, and can be cut to whatever shape it needs to be with a knife.
Meanwhile in Europe, in some places you can literally get a castle for free!*
*Just as long as you can pay the titanic maintenance bill to maintain it to historical standards.
In an era of rapidly evolving technology, there ultimately isn't much point to construct buildings, especially individual homes, that will last for centuries. Yes, the house may still be there two hundred years from now, but will anyone actually want to live in it? Or will it require so much updating that you would be better off just building something new?
If we hit a wall on rapid technological progress, then things will be different. If you can be reasonably certain that human beings will be living much as we do now in 500 years, than building a house to last that long will make sense to me. Until then, why waste the resources?
I definitely want to see houses be made of materials that can be recycled. But raw durability is not itself a virtue. Remember the ultimate truth here. Buildings serve people. That's why they exist. And most people in 2026 do not want to live in a home built for the lifestyle of a 16th century peasant. How many people today know how to tend and cook on an open hearth wood burning stove? Yes, some homes that age do survive. But if anyone is still living in them, they have been heavily renovated and modified, many times over the generations. Old buildings like that are very much Ships of Theseus.
The wisdom of the American style of home construction is precisely in its impermanence. It's an admission that we don't have all the answers for all time, and that many of our choices today will seem foolish to our grandchildren. Yes, American homes can be quickly built and quickly torn down. But that is the entire point.
I am Ozymandius, King of Kings. Look upon my works, ye mighty, and despair.
A friend of ours bought a farm with land for 10k€. The land alone would have been worth that many times over, but the farm house, barn, and all the other buildings are somewhere in the range of 400 years old. And, of course, listed.
So they spent every weekend for over ten years and a fortune into renovating this and making it inhabitable. And the department responsible for historical buildings made the renovation process hell.
It's a real hard problem for localities to get right. On the one hand, you want to preserve old buildings. On the other hand, buildings are expensive as hell. And when those ancient buildings were constructed, they were built by modest people. They were never meant to be super expensive to maintain. But over the ages, techniques that were commonly known then became rare specialties now. Every Medieval peasant could thatch their own roof. Now you'll pay a fortune to bring in an expert in historical construction techniques to do it.
Yes, it would be ideal to require everything be maintained to historical standards and methods, but at some point, people just stop trying. People only have so much time, money, and resources. If you make it too difficult to renovate properties, they can't be updated for regular use. And if they can't be used, then who will put in the money to maintain them? The properties just end up being abandoned and slowly succumbing to the elements.
Some historical artifacts are easy to preserve. Give me a 300 year old violin and ask me to take care of it, and I can do so for almost no cost to me. Just keep it somewhere safe and dry, and it will be preserved just fine. But buildings require constant maintenance, and they are built assuming the easy availability of certain maintenance techniques. Requiring excessive adherence to historical standards does not result in more preserved homes; it just results in old homes being left to rot.
It's a not wisdom of individual builders. They obviously will go for the cheaper option. It's more a wisdom of the crowds/market. A lot of folks outside the US have a cultural aversion to the American style of home construction. There's a lot of areas of the world where even if a builder could affordably construct American-style stick-framed houses, that they simply wouldn't sell. Look how some folks lament the "cardboard, sticks, and glue" that make up American homes, as if an inch-thick OSB panel is in any way comparable to the cardboard boxes used to package food. Even things like "tape," as though the purpose-built and engineered weather-sealing "tapes" are in any way comparable to common masking or Scotch tape. It's like denigrating a well-engineered concrete house as "just a pile of rocks."
Americans have more of a cultural attitude of impermanence. It wouldn't say it's anything like the Japanese, but it's still there. There's an old saying, "in Europe, a hundred miles is a long distance. In America, a hundred years is a long time."
I don't hate the style, I'm fairly well versed in it actually.
But yeah, they're pretty fragile. There isn't a typical house in the US you couldn't cut clean through with a sawzall. No problem. Whatever.
My point was there's no fucking wisdom in it, there's no thinking about the future, there's zero planning ahead. Wisdom of the market my fucking rosy red asshole.
There is absolutely not some grand master overlord scheming about the next upgrade and how to implement it.
It's some fucking dipshit trying to afford more oxys by using the cheapest shit he can.
And they're sure as fuck not using inch thick osb. Christ they don't even use that in commercial unless it's both mandatory and expected to be inspected. 3/4 might be code, 5/8 is what gets used, except everywhere 1/2 will do.
Furthermore, OSB, at any thickness, is fucking trash that disintegrates at the first whiff of moisture. You ever see a house in florida with OSB?
But no, the fucking plan, the great wisdom of the market, is to build a sodden pile of shit, that is worth less than any work you might put into it in ten years, pay to have it demolished, and then pay to have it rebuilt.
Meanwhile, the owners of the house built in 1927 are cutting it off the foundation, excavating it, and adding an extra floor. For less money. Some of the lathe and plaster might crack.
I think it's just because many Americans are too poor to build a "real" house combined with the experience of no reason to build a stable, durable home when we're moving on to some newly gained indian land soon enough
According to UK punk music yes, but they don’t seem to know what it meant originally and it means more just like “wealthy, educated, sheltered and white” the young adult professional part seems to be irrelevant
50 degrees. That's even warmer than last heat wave which reached temps of up to 42C. I thought underground would be cooler. Or does he mean the angle of the door is at 50 degrees? Or is it a dumb American again, who doesn't understand they should note an F behind the number because they are the only ones who still use that outdated dumb scale.
Don't bother, I know the answer.
Edit: it's so funny how Americans can't take a joke about their joke of a measuring system and being self centered.
132 Comments
tedd_deireadh@lemmy.world · 166 pts · 32d
Is that "cellar" built on the beach? I'm no structural engineer, but that don't sound right.
unmagical@lemmy.ml · 89 pts · 32d
B-b-but it's apocalypse proof!
Kenny2999@lemmy.world · 66 pts · 32d
" This baby can withstand seawater and nuclear explosions" -OceanDoor salesman, probably
echodot@feddit.uk · 42 pts · 32d
If it does not survive a nuclear explosion 100% money back guarantee. You just need to personally turn up at the office in order to claim your money.
postmateDumbass@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 32d
Better keep that original packaging.
skittle07crusher@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 32d
“It’s built with a 100% carbon fiber hull!” -OceanDoor salesman (or CEO)
antitomi@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 32d
antitomi@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 32d
expatriado@lemmy.world · 34 pts · 32d
bad photoshop in both idea and execution
Domitian@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 32d
Its real, just a stupid idea
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 12 pts · 32d
its an artisanal cellar.
fartographer@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 32d
Once you add the underwater airlock in preparation for rising sea levels, it'll no longer be an issue.
Once the underwater airlock becomes a full-time essential feature, you'll get to test whether you properly installed explosive decompression preventions at high tide.
After that, you only have to worry about how much of your sand and bedrock the currents wash away.
Mirshe@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 32d
Well you have to build your apocalypse bunker compound in a scenic area with a beautiful view, otherwise what's the point?
Domitian@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 32d
They are trying to sell a Shell out of Plastic which you burry in the ground
HerbGrower@slrpnk.net · 3 pts · 32d
There are some shells you can get that you bury to make a cellar like this. Sand would be very easy to do this with. It would also be less efficient, pretty sure heavy soils make better cellars.
hakunawazo@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 31d
Maybe he needs further education with the story of the 3 little pigs.
bigkahuna1986@lemmy.ml · 107 pts · 32d
Tech bros invent cellars but worse.
zurohki@aussie.zone · 39 pts · 32d
This guy mustn't be rich enough to reinvent trains but worse like the others.
kazerniel@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 31d
I see Adam Something appear over the horizon at the mention of tech bros trying to reinvent trains :D
raman_klogius@ani.social · 12 pts · 32d
I hope they design their own fortresses and bunkers the same way.
postmateDumbass@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 32d
Only $19.95 a month after setup fees.
panda_abyss@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 32d
I mean, additional insulation is good.
Not sure what else is “tech bro” here
echodot@feddit.uk · 27 pts · 32d
Everybody already knows that food lasts longer if not stored in direct sunlight. Tech bros are the only idiots that would try and pull something like this off.
We can only be thankful that it isn't another train. They love to invent trains.
Serinus@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 32d
Wait. Trains are great. Please invent more trains.
echodot@feddit.uk · 27 pts · 32d
No we need to make more trains. You only invent them once.
But the tech bros like to talk about self-driving cars, that drive on special self-driving car roads, that are only for self-driving cars. Yeah that's a train.
EggInDisguise@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 22 pts · 32d
Let's build self driving cars that go on special self driving roads that handle all the steering. To minimize fuel losses from friction while being long lasting, the wheels should be made of some kind of metal, and have a specialized shape to stay centered on the self driving road.
Heck, we could market this to trucking companies, with the low rolling resistance, they could hook a bunch of trailers together! Make some sort of a linked-cargo-hauler, that goes to special depots specifically for these extra long contraptions.
I'm so glad I alone thought of this breakthrough in transportation!
antitomi@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 32d
Serinus@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 32d
Those aren't trains. I don't give a shit if they want to use the word "invented" if it means we actually get trains.
Sure techbros. Be revolutionary. Invent the subway.
JcbAzPx@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 32d
You're missing the "but worse" part of the equation.
Serinus@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 32d
Yeah, I'm not counting Elon's shit.
ceenote@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 32d
"apocalypse-proof" is pretty tech bro coded.
makeshift0546@lemmy.today · -24 pts · 32d
You people have lost all sense of reality.
ceenote@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 32d
You're getting pretty worked up over a lighthearted and frivolous conversation.
LikeableLime@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 32d
I have them tagged as "Dumb ass AI Defender" so they must act like this all the time
raman_klogius@ani.social · 2 pts · 32d
What frontend do you use? I want to be able to tag dumbasses too!
LikeableLime@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 32d
I use Voyager. Its pretty nice, I never have any issues with it
makeshift0546@lemmy.today · -16 pts · 32d
Oh yeah, pointing out apocalypse and tech bro coded associations and writing a sentence is worked up 🤣👌👍🤡
stsquad@lemmy.ml · 65 pts · 32d
With the recent heat waves we've been having it's nice to visit the cellar for a few minutes of cooling down. Of course I can't stay too long because of the radon.
wesker@lemmy.sdf.org · 74 pts · 32d
at least radon is still affordable unlike nvida
Adderbox76@lemmy.ca · 30 pts · 32d
antitomi@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 32d
ThePantser@sh.itjust.works · 13 pts · 32d
Go diy a radon remover, 3in PVC and a centrifugal fan. Just get it as low as you can to the floor. No reason to get a real system unless you are gonna live there. Any abatement helps.
Edit: If its a dirt floor then it might not help.
stsquad@lemmy.ml · 8 pts · 32d
I was slightly exaggerating for comic effect. I do have an extractor fan on a timer which stops build ups. It's definitely not rated for human habitation but the servers are quite happy there 😉
grue@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 32d
That reminds me: I un-vented my crawlspace not too long ago, so now I ought to check it for radon.
echodot@feddit.uk · 3 pts · 32d
My grandparents used to have an air raid shelter in their garden, you could use it to freeze water in the height of summer.
Although I wouldn't recommend storing food down there because it was always damp, and full of spiders. I don't particularly mind spiders but I don't want to accidentally eat them.
DickFiasco@sh.itjust.works · 45 pts · 32d
How are you supposed to add AI to it without electricity?
trem@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 14 pts · 32d
https://squeezlabs.github.io/handcrank/
Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it · 9 pts · 32d
The idea was made by chatGPT, of course
Thorry@feddit.org · 44 pts · 32d
Lmao apocalypse proof, except he built it on the beach so even a little bit of global warming would flood it right away. Apocalypse proof, except for that one actual apocalypse we have confirmed is in progress right now.
StupidBrotherInLaw@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 32d
This has to be a photoshop. The water table at the beach is the same level as the surface of the ocean, so usually somewhere between a few centimeters to a meter.
Thorry@feddit.org · 15 pts · 32d
Yeah obviously this is fake as fuck. It's the perfect tech bro invention in that it's dumb and flawed in every way and also already exists but better for a very long time.
It isn't even good photoshop, the angles are all wrong. Like is it in the side of a hill? But it looks like it's on flat ground? It makes no sense.
antitomi@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 32d
HerbGrower@slrpnk.net · 1 pts · 32d
Sand dunes at beaches are often above the high tide line.
Its still fake, and sand is the worst soil to build something like this in. But it is possible it wouldn't flood at high tide.
smh@slrpnk.net · 2 pts · 32d
but how deep could the not-cellar be before hitting high tide?
HerbGrower@slrpnk.net · 1 pts · 32d
Depends on the beach. Certainly seen some that could be a few metres above the high tide line.
Cort@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 32d
Yeah this thing would be floating with all that buoyancy
antitomi@sopuli.xyz · 3 pts · 32d
Alberat@lemmy.world · 43 pts · 31d
tech bros have entered the classical era
alekwithak@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 31d
Please don't mention anything even remotely related to Civ on this site for the next few days. I have too much to do.
T00l_shed@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 31d
You sure you don't want one more turn at this?
alekwithak@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 31d
😥
T00l_shed@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 31d
My apologies, I've accidentally seen the sun rise a few times while playing civ
Psythik@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 31d
Thankfully for me I find the game too confusing and boring to be enjoyable, because liking it seems like a really bad idea if you have an addictive personality.
alekwithak@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 31d
Truly. When playing Civ I lose all sense of time, and even when in the mindset of 'I'm gonna save and quit' there's always one more quick thing to do first. I have to police myself hard because I will lose at least a week if I get into a campaign. I'm not even really a gamer. Games I enjoy I have a difficult time playing for more than a twenty minute spurt. But Civ... Civ is like fucking hypnotoad, it overrides all other feelings and desires. If you find it confusing and boring just go with that and you'll be much better off.
Anti_Iridium@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 31d
Stellaris is the same way. When I got hooked I played 40 hours by Thursday. And I was in college, so I realized then I needed to be careful
alekwithak@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 31d
That's funny. Stellaris is the one game I have specifically forbidden myself from playing, so it's good to get confirmation that it would ruin my life!
But I really wanna try that Star Trek mod.
Anti_Iridium@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 31d
It's definitely an enjoyable experience though, I have somehow managed to keep it at 220 hours. I will say after the first couple of games I started adding a titan (an endgame ship that you can build a handful of) to my new save files because I'm here for fun.
Might have to try some of the mods, and lose even more of my life to it!
Einskjaldi@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 31d
There are a lot of neat mods that really amp it up.
alekwithak@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 31d
I don't think I've ever used a mod with any of them. Do you have any recommendations, for when I'm less busy?
towniepeter@thelemmy.club · 1 pts · 30d
If you are saying you played Civ and never found yourself saying "just one more turn", you might just come out and admit you are a bot account.
Psythik@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 30d
Nope, can't say I've ever said that. I'm sorry but the game is way too complicated and my ADHD is way too severe. Couldn't even make it past the tutorial.
Zwiebel@feddit.org · 1 pts · 25d
Next they're gonna invent trains sorry I mean hyperscaling autonomous pods
darkmogool@feddit.org · 37 pts · 32d
50º? holy shit cellar in hell?
Successful_Try543@feddit.org · 69 pts · 32d
10 °C for us normal people.
A 50 °C hot cellar would be so deep, one should be careful not to awake the Balrog.
merc@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 31d
I don't think a 10C cellar is possible year round in the USA. In Canada where snow is covering the ground half the year and there is a little bit of remaining permafrost, 10C is vaguely possible.
https://nrc-publications.canada.ca/eng/view/ft/?id=386ddf88-fe8d-45dd-aabb-0a55be826f3f
Ibaudia@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 32d
Its in Fahrenheit because any idea this stupid could only be marketed to Americans.
ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca · 8 pts · 32d
It's Icelandic.
Duamerthrax@lemmy.world · 32 pts · 32d
Surprised it isn't called a Ground Pod.
thermal_shock@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 32d
Only if they rent it for $900 per month and list it as a single bedroom with access to subway
postmateDumbass@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 32d
Negative Altitude Produce Storage Facility
Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works · 9 pts · 32d
NAPSF?
needs work.
Hmmmmm...
Cool Enclosed Longterm Lettuce And Root Preserver, Organic Dimension
CELLARPOD
still needs work.
postmateDumbass@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 32d
NAPH-THA.
Negative Altitude Produce Housing - Themally Held Atmosphere
Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 32d
Get in and take a big whiff!
DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world · 25 pts · 32d
That's not cold enough to preserve food.
Below 40F is needed to preserve food. Ideally, just above freezing, if you don't want to freeze it. I keep my fridge at 35F.
Hupf@feddit.org · 28 pts · 32d
If only there was a commonly accepted temperature scale that makes it easier to see what's just above freezing and what isn't.
LarsIsCool@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 32d
4.44°C and 1.67°C
Kolanaki@pawb.social · 18 pts · 32d
Before refrigeration, they used to store big blocks of ice in similar conditions and the ice would last up to 10 months in there.
anotherspinelessdem@lemmy.ml · 11 pts · 32d
Building the cellar on a beach might affect how well it insulates. Loose mini-rocks vs dense soil.
antitomi@sopuli.xyz · 3 pts · 32d
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 31d
I saw your hole last week. It's moved on.
antitomi@sopuli.xyz · 5 pts · 32d
thespcicifcocean@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 32d
But it's perfect for storing root vegetables like onions and garlic
boonhet@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 32d
I keep my fridge at 35.6 F myself, not sure there's any point in going down to 33.8 though I've considered it
Zwiebel@feddit.org · 1 pts · 25d
Most food here is labeled "keep below 8°C" so I set my fridge to 7. No need to waste power. Unless you keep raw meat or fish then yes you wanna be close to freezing
Daft_ish@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 19 pts · 32d
Silly... the concerpt of a underground fridge probably predates the word cellar.
nexguy@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 31d
It might even predate words
Daft_ish@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 31d
The smart apes know.
echodot@feddit.uk · 18 pts · 32d
Who needs a celler when you can just purchase my newly invented "meat preserving dust".
WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world · 27 pts · 32d
Meat preserving dust? Yeah, I'm going to take those claims with a grain of salt.
SolSerkonos@piefed.social · 1 pts · 32d
How did you find out? Corporate espionage? It's patented!
stsquad@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 32d
You mean salt right? At least according to the picture they should have ready access to it.
Treczoks@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 32d
Keep in mind that the stick and cardboard houses those people live in usually have a "crawlspace", nothing more.
antitomi@sopuli.xyz · 3 pts · 32d
chiliedogg@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 31d
They're referring to wood-framed houses that have a layer of what's essentially cardboard between the frame and the plastic vapor barrier that adds rigidity to the framing.
It looks flimsy as hell, but is actually good engineering. Think of it like Ikea furniture that racks until you put the cardboard backing on it, but then is remarkably stable. It also doesn't crack as the house settles or the ground moves, is easy to patch and repair, can be effectively environmentally sealed with tape when you run plumbing or electrical to it, and can be cut to whatever shape it needs to be with a knife.
antitomi@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 27d
guy@piefed.social · 4 pts · 31d
American houses are.. different
antitomi@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 27d
isleepinahammock@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 31d
Meanwhile in Europe, in some places you can literally get a castle for free!*
*Just as long as you can pay the titanic maintenance bill to maintain it to historical standards.
In an era of rapidly evolving technology, there ultimately isn't much point to construct buildings, especially individual homes, that will last for centuries. Yes, the house may still be there two hundred years from now, but will anyone actually want to live in it? Or will it require so much updating that you would be better off just building something new?
If we hit a wall on rapid technological progress, then things will be different. If you can be reasonably certain that human beings will be living much as we do now in 500 years, than building a house to last that long will make sense to me. Until then, why waste the resources?
I definitely want to see houses be made of materials that can be recycled. But raw durability is not itself a virtue. Remember the ultimate truth here. Buildings serve people. That's why they exist. And most people in 2026 do not want to live in a home built for the lifestyle of a 16th century peasant. How many people today know how to tend and cook on an open hearth wood burning stove? Yes, some homes that age do survive. But if anyone is still living in them, they have been heavily renovated and modified, many times over the generations. Old buildings like that are very much Ships of Theseus.
The wisdom of the American style of home construction is precisely in its impermanence. It's an admission that we don't have all the answers for all time, and that many of our choices today will seem foolish to our grandchildren. Yes, American homes can be quickly built and quickly torn down. But that is the entire point.
I am Ozymandius, King of Kings. Look upon my works, ye mighty, and despair.
Treczoks@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 31d
A friend of ours bought a farm with land for 10k€. The land alone would have been worth that many times over, but the farm house, barn, and all the other buildings are somewhere in the range of 400 years old. And, of course, listed.
So they spent every weekend for over ten years and a fortune into renovating this and making it inhabitable. And the department responsible for historical buildings made the renovation process hell.
isleepinahammock@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 31d
It's a real hard problem for localities to get right. On the one hand, you want to preserve old buildings. On the other hand, buildings are expensive as hell. And when those ancient buildings were constructed, they were built by modest people. They were never meant to be super expensive to maintain. But over the ages, techniques that were commonly known then became rare specialties now. Every Medieval peasant could thatch their own roof. Now you'll pay a fortune to bring in an expert in historical construction techniques to do it.
Yes, it would be ideal to require everything be maintained to historical standards and methods, but at some point, people just stop trying. People only have so much time, money, and resources. If you make it too difficult to renovate properties, they can't be updated for regular use. And if they can't be used, then who will put in the money to maintain them? The properties just end up being abandoned and slowly succumbing to the elements.
Some historical artifacts are easy to preserve. Give me a 300 year old violin and ask me to take care of it, and I can do so for almost no cost to me. Just keep it somewhere safe and dry, and it will be preserved just fine. But buildings require constant maintenance, and they are built assuming the easy availability of certain maintenance techniques. Requiring excessive adherence to historical standards does not result in more preserved homes; it just results in old homes being left to rot.
DempstersBox@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 31d
There's no wisdom there, dumbass. They build it that way because it's cheap.
luciferofastora@feddit.org · 2 pts · 31d
Reminds me of the Grand Strategy mirage of history, wherein people ascribe some overarching, long-term vision to some sequence of ad-hoc decisions
isleepinahammock@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 30d
It's a not wisdom of individual builders. They obviously will go for the cheaper option. It's more a wisdom of the crowds/market. A lot of folks outside the US have a cultural aversion to the American style of home construction. There's a lot of areas of the world where even if a builder could affordably construct American-style stick-framed houses, that they simply wouldn't sell. Look how some folks lament the "cardboard, sticks, and glue" that make up American homes, as if an inch-thick OSB panel is in any way comparable to the cardboard boxes used to package food. Even things like "tape," as though the purpose-built and engineered weather-sealing "tapes" are in any way comparable to common masking or Scotch tape. It's like denigrating a well-engineered concrete house as "just a pile of rocks."
Americans have more of a cultural attitude of impermanence. It wouldn't say it's anything like the Japanese, but it's still there. There's an old saying, "in Europe, a hundred miles is a long distance. In America, a hundred years is a long time."
DempstersBox@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 30d
I don't hate the style, I'm fairly well versed in it actually.
But yeah, they're pretty fragile. There isn't a typical house in the US you couldn't cut clean through with a sawzall. No problem. Whatever.
My point was there's no fucking wisdom in it, there's no thinking about the future, there's zero planning ahead. Wisdom of the market my fucking rosy red asshole.
There is absolutely not some grand master overlord scheming about the next upgrade and how to implement it.
It's some fucking dipshit trying to afford more oxys by using the cheapest shit he can.
And they're sure as fuck not using inch thick osb. Christ they don't even use that in commercial unless it's both mandatory and expected to be inspected. 3/4 might be code, 5/8 is what gets used, except everywhere 1/2 will do. Furthermore, OSB, at any thickness, is fucking trash that disintegrates at the first whiff of moisture. You ever see a house in florida with OSB?
But no, the fucking plan, the great wisdom of the market, is to build a sodden pile of shit, that is worth less than any work you might put into it in ten years, pay to have it demolished, and then pay to have it rebuilt.
Meanwhile, the owners of the house built in 1927 are cutting it off the foundation, excavating it, and adding an extra floor. For less money. Some of the lathe and plaster might crack.
guy@piefed.social · 1 pts · 27d
I think it's just because many Americans are too poor to build a "real" house combined with the experience of no reason to build a stable, durable home when we're moving on to some newly gained indian land soon enough
HerbGrower@slrpnk.net · 11 pts · 32d
Wouldn't mind a cool cellar to retreat to at this point tbh. Diggy diggy hole!
But doing it reasonably safely probably costs a fair bit for materials to reinforce the soil.
antitomi@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 32d
Rivermoonwolf@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 32d
VoteNixon2016@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 23 pts · 32d
Please, we all know that no one on Lemmy uses windows
gothic_lemons@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 32d
Oh shit yeah windows. I thought they just meant smashing holes through walls.
smh@slrpnk.net · 3 pts · 32d
Your idea works, too.
Supercrunchy@programming.dev · 2 pts · 31d
Depends if you want to see through your own walls, or someone else's walls!
Fedizen@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 32d
Please don't throw rocks at my transparent walls!
postmateDumbass@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 32d
This wolf wifis.
Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 32d
How do you propose to make THAT possible? By rapidly cooling a molten form or something?
Get real!
Avicenna@programming.dev · 8 pts · 31d
Hey guys I have just discovered a mechanical device with two wheels that you can use to get anywhere petrol free!
not_IO@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 31d
xD
Raiderkev@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 30d
antitomi@sopuli.xyz · 8 pts · 32d
bandanawearingbanana@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 31d
Underground? That's fun way to suffocate sure.
bridgeburner@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 32d
50 degrees ain't cool, literally the opposite in fact
Domitian@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 32d
50 Fahrenheit is 10 Celsius. Not as cold as a Fridge, but chilly.
DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 32d
They know.
sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz · 5 pts · 32d
Do yuppies even exist anymore? They were just boomers when I was a kid.
CultLeader4Hire@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 31d
According to UK punk music yes, but they don’t seem to know what it meant originally and it means more just like “wealthy, educated, sheltered and white” the young adult professional part seems to be irrelevant
MrKoyun@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 32d
I dont think my first thought in an apocalypse would be "Damn, if only I had an electricless fridge right now!"
Hueristic_Autistic@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 30d
https://www.iwfs.org/americas/wine-food---friends-1/articles/one-oenophile---s-opinion-.-.-.-on-cellar-temperature
TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com · -21 pts · 31d
50 degrees. That's even warmer than last heat wave which reached temps of up to 42C. I thought underground would be cooler. Or does he mean the angle of the door is at 50 degrees? Or is it a dumb American again, who doesn't understand they should note an F behind the number because they are the only ones who still use that outdated dumb scale.
Don't bother, I know the answer.
Edit: it's so funny how Americans can't take a joke about their joke of a measuring system and being self centered.
CultLeader4Hire@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 31d
Imagine not being able to use context clues to such an extreme degree while calling others dumb…
jerkface@lemmy.ca · 8 pts · 31d
Not what happened.
GunValkyrie@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 31d
If you know, then why did you post this?
postmateDumbass@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 31d
Their inner dialog escapes on the regular.
BrickEater@lemmy.world · -13 pts · 31d
Womp womp cry about it Eurotrash
SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 31d
Get blocked