Several US schools to install pepper-spraying drones to respond to school shootings
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2026/jul/28/school-shootings-pepper-spray-drones
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2026/jul/28/school-shootings-pepper-spray-drones
182 Comments
TomMasz@lemmy.world · 236 pts · 23d
I predict the first kid to get pepper-sprayed will be Black.
subOrange@lemmy.world · 120 pts · 23d
Not even Polymarket is taking those bets
Melobol@lemmy.ml · 40 pts · 23d
Aren't most shooters actually white? That was my impression.
Now I am going to Google this. Hello rabbit hole!
Edit: yep it is a white hobby.
(Btw I got the joke- just sayin)
ParlimentOfDoom@piefed.zip · 89 pts · 23d
They're saying this will backfire and will attack people who are not actual shooters
jaybone@lemmy.zip · 27 pts · 23d
Yeah “backfire”
They are saying this is the intention.
NoForwadSlashS@piefed.social · 5 pts · 23d
It's called Blackfire
Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org · 12 pts · 23d
Didn't you know that the only racist is the person who talks about it like that
/s
arsCynic@piefed.social · 11 pts · 23d
I bet it's gonna be Tolkien Black.
a_non_monotonic_function@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 22d
The call with Cartman was great.
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz · 5 pts · 23d
Oops, that was just a poptart. We'll release a statement later vaguely alluding to a software malfunction without actually apologizing or assuming any responsibility.
turdburglar@piefed.social · 4 pts · 23d
you’re not wrong.
in a more comical scenario, i predict that a programming club will get expelled for using their flipper zero to take control of the pepper spraying drone.
Wildmimic@anarchist.nexus · 146 pts · 23d
Anything but regulate guns, making mental health ressources more accessible or punish bullying.
This normalizes policing by machines, controlled by faceless people who will be shielded against consequences just like cops are shielded now. Drones don't have a face, a name or an personell number. If something happens (and it will), you can't even point your finger on the guilty party anymore. It also shields those controllers from any social backlash they would get if they would hurt someone in person.
Darkassassin07@lemmy.ca · 75 pts · 23d
Schools are the obvious places to test/enact these types of changes too.
Kids don't know to speak out against remote policing via robotics, and normalising it now gets them used to it's wider use in society later.
It's much easier to raise a generation under a new set of standards, than it is to make an existing generation accept a new normal.
Zos_Kia@jlai.lu · 3 pts · 23d
Like most American "solutions" it's a very good idea from a technical point of view but a terrible societal choice
PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@anarchist.nexus · -7 pts · 23d
Yeahhhhh I'm not super stoked about the government regulating guns. Like I'm absolutely not a "guns in schools" kinda guy, but governments regulating guns just makes the proletariat and individual workers easier to oppress.
Bullying should absolutely not be tolerated but IMO the emphasis should be on restoration and justice instead of punishment IMO.
Sure you can: whoever controlled the drone. If it's autonomous, whoever owns the drone. If the operator or owner is being hidden, it is whoever or whatever system is enabling the hiding.
Kirp123@lemmy.world · 48 pts · 23d
The US has guns and they're being oppressed just fine.
NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io · 13 pts · 23d
Because there's no political or popular will to do anything about it. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink; that doesn't mean water is useless.
Rothe@piefed.social · 9 pts · 23d
Seems to me that it does in fact mean that that excuse for gun proliferation is pretty useless.
NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io · 2 pts · 23d
Well that's one hell of a non-sequitur. To make a sweeping generalization, it's not the guns' fault that Americans are cowards.
Doomsider@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 23d
A majority of US gun owners like what the government is doing, how does that make them cowards?
NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io · 1 pts · 23d
I'm talking about Americans that don't like what the government is doing (there's a lot to criticise the American right for, but unwilling to act they are not). There's plenty of gun ownership among American liberals.
Kirp123@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 23d
So then it's not the guns that make resistance possible it's popular will.
NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io · 4 pts · 23d
I mean obviously, but with popular will you'll want everything to give your cause an edge—hence the guns. It's possible to have popular will and still fail, so factors that give the rebellion (or just plain old resistance, see: Black Panthers) an edge are going to be necessary. In recent history, the Houthis definitely benefited from having guns when they rebelled against the then-government.
Test_Tickles@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 23d
There's something very wrong with your water. It's killing a lot of children.
NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io · 3 pts · 23d
So just like regular water then.
Test_Tickles@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 23d
Exactly! Thats is a perfect comparison. Even water can kill when unrestrained and unregulated.
chunes@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 23d
The people with the guns, in general, like what the government is doing.
MrSpArkle@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 23d
To be fair, several people have tried to shoot Trump.
PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@anarchist.nexus · -4 pts · 23d
Yeah because the vast majority of the proletariat here are white people who tolerate capitalism because it uses white supremacy and its white privilege to buy their complicity. Same is true for various other bigotries. If we nipped that shit in the bud and developed class consciousness, a revolution would take like three seconds.
Like having a heavily armed populace is literally the only good thing about
turtlesareneat@piefed.ca · 4 pts · 23d
What is that heavily armed populace doing? They're not resisting a government that has entered the information warfare age, where every police station has SWAT gear and tanks and helicopters. The guns aren't saving you from the government, they're not saving me from the government, they're not saving Cletus on 10 acre compound if Uncle Sam decides to pay a visit with flashbangs and riot gear.
All the guns are doing is terrifying minorities, who actually can be controlled by them.
Guess how I know.
NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io · 5 pts · 23d
Except heavily armed populaces have resisted SWAT gear and tanks and helicopters before, but also: Even just forcing escalation to such methods is a win for the rebels/resistance/etc. There's a reason even oppressive governments don't jump straight to tanks and helicopters when they have a revolution that hasn't quite devolved into civil war. Besides, there's no guarantee the people manning the tanks and helicopters are going to be willing to fire into crowds. In a revolutionary scenario the government's grip on its armed forces tends to be shaky at best, and doing things like whipping out tanks to put down rebellion tends to alienate people who might've supported it otherwise. Hell, sometimes governments just give up instead of going through all this. Obviously armed revolution (which doesn't necessarily mean civil war) isn't foolproof, but the hurdle to winning isn't as big as people around here seem to think, since the very fact that such a thing is happening means there's a sympathetic cause that will make some fraction of the army/police/etc not want to fight.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 23d
the gop fully "hypnotized" the 2a loving republicans, the thing that Rs love is authority/hiearchy, someone telling them what to do.
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 23d
That's such a limpwristed response to bullying. The average bully doesn't care about restoration and justice, that's why they're bullies. No amount of righteous indignation or high horsing is going to make them care.
The proper response to bullying is the same as the proper response to tyranny. Not appeasement and pandering, but an uncompromising commitment to putting them in their place.
PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@anarchist.nexus · 1 pts · 23d
I didn't say to appease or pander to the bully's sensibilities. And putting them in their place might be part of the bully's restoration.
This was specifically about bullying in schools, i.e. they're children. Some of them might grow up to be bullies, but my view is that most childhood bullies have not yet developed empathy for their peers. I.e., people can change, especially children.
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 23d
You said not to punish them. How do you intend to teach them empathy if all they learn is that they can get away with doing what they want?
I was a child once. I got bullied by other children. Some of them grew up, some of them didn't. But you know what never helped? The adults who focused their ire on me anytime in stood up for myself, instead of having my back or telling the bullies to knock it off. No, they just told me I'm supposed to be better than them, so I'd get in just as much if not more trouble than they did, because "held to a higher standard" or some shit.
All they did was create a feeble, traumatized, spineless adult who lets others walk all over him because he's too afraid to stand up for himself, not because he's intimidated by bullies, but because he fears the authorities and feels he doesn't deserve the ground beneath his feet. An adult who bottled up all his emotions, because there was nowhere else for them to go, until years later when he couldn't hold in the pressure anymore and his psyche started rupturing into mental breakdowns and became entirely unable to participate in society.
Except no on ever says "it's okay, it's understandable, he has trauma." No, people say "That guy's crazy, stay away, he's mentally unstable, ew." They say "stop blaming your childhood, you're not a victim, trauma isn't real, you're clearly choosing to have mental breakdowns because you want attention and it makes you feel powerful" which is entirely counterfactual.
So no, don't let bullies off the hook because you think "punishment" is a naughty word. All you're gonna do is enable them to push their victims over the edge, with no recourse but to feel backed into a corner and have to fight their way out.
I've never shot anybody, because that's not something I would do. But I can definitely understand how enduring years of that kind of treatment can make someone feel like they have no other option besides seeking vengeance, making others feel the pain that those others had made them feel. And to an unbalanced psyche in that sort of state, everyone who minimized and dismissed and ignored their pain when they cried out for help might seem like valid targets. That doesn't make it right, but from a psychological point of view, it's easy to see the direct line of cause-and-effect, if you take a moment to remove those socialized glasses of admitting the facts only when they're comfortable.
A large proportion of school shooters were victims of bullying. That doesn't mean we should stigmatizing the victims and ostracize them further, although that's probably the response most "normies" would jump to. But that would exacerbate the problem. No, the problem is to reduce the prevalence of bullying, and give victims sufficient avenues for redress and support, so that they don't feel like they have to fend for themselves while backed into a corner with their hands tied behind their back and pushed daily beyond the reasonable limits of what a human psyche can take until they can't take anymore and finally snap.
PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@anarchist.nexus · 1 pts · 23d
Because punishment shouldn't be the focus. It shouldn't be "you did bad thing therefore bad thing happens to you". I'm not saying it has to be a totally positive experience for the bully, bully might even have to get their teeth rearranged for them, but what I take issue with is the institutional, top-down, carceral mentality of punishment. The focus should be on making the victim whole and making sure the bully doesn't bully again, not that the bully gets some requisite amount of pain and suffering.
Yeah I'm absolutely not saying that. If you beat the shit out of someone bullying you, you are generically in the right as far as I'm concerned.
Again, that's absolutely not what I am advocating. Quite the opposite, actually. I am advocating that we treat bullies like people capable of change. Hold them accountable for their actions. And if that process is painful the bully, so be it, but inflicting pain and suffering on the bully should not be the primary goal. When we do this, the bully simply learns to pick better targets.
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 23d
It seems like you're assuming I have a retributive approach to justice, and I think that's where this disagreement is coming from. I don't though. I don't think bullies should be punished just for the sake of punishing them. That wouldn't be effective.
Sure, the focus should be on making the victim whole and making the bully stop being a bully. The first part of that I think is beyond the scope of this discussion. I assume we would agree that it would take some research-based approach likely involving counseling and social support. But I'm not here to hash out those details because it's not my expertise.
As far as making the bullying stop bullying though, that requires either extrinsic interventions, which would be reactive and circumstantial at best, or giving the bully an intrinsic motivation to stop bullying. Most people are motivated by the desire to be a good person and treat others with kindness. Those people aren't bullies in the first place. Bullies don't have that motive.
So what could motivate a bully to stop bullying? Well, you wouldn't bribe them with nice rewards for good behavior. That would be unfair to people who were never bullies in the first place, and to the bully's victims.
Psychologically speaking, extrinsic motivators fall into two broad categories: rewards and punishments.
So how is that not bringing us full circle? Because the punishment here isn't strictly retributive. The point isn't to get back at them because "fair's fair." The point is to force them to stop bullying by making it more painful to them to continue bullying than they find worth the intrinsic reward they feel from bullying.
Maybe it sounds crass to say we need to cognitively/behaviorally condition bullies to stop bullying, but what else can you do besides asking them nicely to stop? What do you do when they refuse?
Shin@piefed.social · 70 pts · 23d
Why not solve the gun problem?
einkorn@feddit.org · 19 pts · 23d
Muh freedom!!!11! /s
StealthLizardDrop@piefed.social · 13 pts · 23d
Don't be silly, spoilt sport willy. War industrial machine needs to be fed!
ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net · 7 pts · 23d
How are you going to make money doing that?
NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io · 5 pts · 23d
I mean the US is too lax with access to guns, but they also have many other problems that lead to this. I mean it's telling that mass shootings don't really happen anywhere else, even in places with effectively no gun control.
Rothe@piefed.social · 3 pts · 23d
There is really no other comparable country in the world with the same gun proliferation as the US..
So yes, guns are definitely the main factor here.
NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io · 4 pts · 23d
You can't assume a correlation from one data point. If it's the guns, then that'll show up in data from other countries too. When's the last time you heard of a mass shooting in Yemen?
WizardJr@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 23d
Couple that with the fact that so many Americans wanting to shoot as many human beings as physically possible is still an enormous cause for concern even if we somehow prevent them from getting a gun.
TIEPilot@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 23d
What problem?
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 23d
Because Cletus has a tiny dick
Kaligalis@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 23d
Because it's literally impossible to solve. The party which would do that would literally be guaranteed to lose the next election and the other party would then revert the decision. A massive part of the US population gets really pissed when you try to take their guns (or even just the possibility of them having guns in the future). Trying to actually restrict gun ownership is political suicide in the US.
What could be done is solving the actual problem: Kids turning into psychopaths by being bullied over years until their mind breaks.
Shin@piefed.social · 1 pts · 22d
I’ll disagree with you. But I have no energy to engage in this specific topic. I recommend you to look outside and check how other people are solving this problem.
icerunner_origin@startrek.website · 48 pts · 23d
JohnEdwa@sopuli.xyz · 11 pts · 23d
It's a pepper spray drone, delaying them from killing people is the point in the first place.
NoForwadSlashS@piefed.social · 2 pts · 23d
Couldn't you just shoot the drone?
icerunner_origin@startrek.website · 4 pts · 23d
Me personally? No.
NoForwadSlashS@piefed.social · 3 pts · 23d
kn33@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 23d
Sounds like you need to believe in yourself a little more
iamthetot@piefed.ca · 1 pts · 23d
I'm not at all defending this asinine "solution" to school shootings, however eight minutes could be a significant amount of lives saved.
detren@sh.itjust.works · 44 pts · 23d
That’s the most American “solution” to the most American of problems.
ryan213@lemmy.ca · 9 pts · 23d
It's missing a gun though.
postmateDumbass@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 23d
They are with level 2 response teams
detren@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 18d
Give it time
aeiou@piefed.social · 40 pts · 23d
Sabata11792@ani.social · 36 pts · 22d
In 5 years we can automate school shootings and put real shooters out of a job.
empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 35 pts · 23d
Something tells me thry won't be using them specifically for school shootings.
Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org · 11 pts · 23d
Hmm... maybe they could help at elections, watch and ensure everybody ticks the boxes in the proper column...
/s
Tower@lemmy.zip · 8 pts · 23d
These are absolutely going to be used to break up big fights, then small fights, then arguments, then they'll just be roaming the halls looking for any undesirable activities.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 23d
next thing it will be drones with guns.
_druid@sh.itjust.works · 32 pts · 23d
So they just need to wear non-vented goggles and a filtered mask. Now they have easy targets who are blinded by the pepper spray to which they are immune.
Thebeardedsinglemalt@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 23d
Or they could just shoot the drone.
_druid@sh.itjust.works · 14 pts · 23d
Why? It's incapacitated the potential targets. Let the drone shoot, the shooter need not worry if they are immune to it's effects.
Little Billy took a wrong turn, though. He slipped on the spray that settled on the ground. The ambient spray in the air has drifted into his eyes. Now he can't see, doesn't know which way to crawl. His panic and pain will be short lived, as the shooter no longer needs to aim, as his target is unable to flee.
ouRKaoS@lemmy.today · 29 pts · 23d
Maybe it's just my inner gamer talking, but isn't the kid doing the school shooting just going to shoot down the drone for bonus points?
Malyca@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 23d
Evidently the idea is waves of drones to keep him busy till the cops get there
DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 23d
Till the cops get there and do what? Not go in? Because, that's what cops do at active school shootings--hide.
Malyca@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 23d
Pretty much
ouRKaoS@lemmy.today · 3 pts · 23d
Sounds expensive...
Send the school children, those are free!
/s
ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 29 pts · 23d
What could go wrong?
tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip · 16 pts · 22d
How long til they're deployed on rowdy students?
fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net · 6 pts · 22d
That's probably the point. If they do a walk out for Palestine or something you send in the drones to attack them. Blame it on a computer glitch and if all else fails blame it on woke. They're banning phones at school so that no one will be able to record footage of it happening and so that they can make the school security camera footage just disappear
Merman_Gothique@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 22d
inzen@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 23d
I came here to say this.
BioDriver@lemmy.world · 27 pts · 23d
Anything but gun regulation
kunaltyagi@programming.dev · 6 pts · 23d
If it was needed founders would have passed a right to a childhood
Darkmoon_AU@lemmy.zip · 27 pts · 23d
Nation of psychopaths. Just control guns FFS.
Lemminary@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 23d
Are you crazy? Who will shoot the guns then??
osanna@lemmy.vg · 6 pts · 23d
won't somebody PLEASE think of the NRA!
JasonDJ@lemmy.zip · -1 pts · 23d
Didn't you read the article? Clearly they are...they had some self-control, and fitted the drones with less-lethals instead.
You want them to strap it with an AR or something?
Sam_Bass@lemmy.world · 25 pts · 23d
so now the kids will have to run and hide while blind and in pain
Raiderkev@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 23d
And school shooters will need gas masks. Stupid fucking solution.
Hueristic_Autistic@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 22d
☝🏻 Modern NBC Honeywell filters aren't cheap. I know, I looked into modifying a surplus skin tight Russian gas mask, first term Trump. If I survived a nuclear blast I'd still hope to be able to breathe was the point.
Either way, it gets costly because once you open that filter, you better be ready to use it, kind of thing, meaning they start to degrade once you open one. So, it's not the masks really that get ya, it's the price of the filters.
Someonelol@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 25 pts · 23d
Some bored kid in robotics class is gonna hack a drone and spray a bunch unsuspecting classmates one day.
hactar42@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 22d
Exactly this! My son tried to print a picture of a fire alarm from his school Chromebook and some how sent the print job to every single printer in the building. The IT department had absolutely no idea how he was able to do it, because only teachers are supposed to be able to connect to the printers. Now imagine that with drones filled with pepper spray.
arsCynic@piefed.social · 22 pts · 23d
Just like fighting gym leader Brock with Charmander.
CADmonkey@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 23d
They're not that easy to hit. I once invited someone to try hitting my camera drone with a 9mm and they couldn't, despite all bluster and claims otherwise. it might have been easier inside a building.
But, any rounds expended toward the drone are rounds not sent to children/staff. And an FPV drone to the face even without pepper spray can mess up someone's aim.
arsCynic@piefed.social · 16 pts · 23d
CADmonkey@lemmy.world · -4 pts · 23d
"Its not perfect, therefore no effort should be expended toward any possible harm reduction"
arsCynic@piefed.social · 7 pts · 23d
Non sequitur fallacy and then some. Not only didn't I say "it's not perfect", I said it's completely stupid such as what's depicted in the illustration above. I also didn't say "no effort should be expended", in fact, my first sentence proves the contrary: most efforts should be concentrated on the root causes. And the last sentence quotes the article, symptomatic measures should be prevention, e.g., patrol. Money towards these drones can be spent far more wisely.
CADmonkey@lemmy.world · -3 pts · 23d
Wait until you find out drones are used for patrols too.
arsCynic@piefed.social · 3 pts · 23d
Outside this makes total sense. Inside, not at all. And I say this as a quadcopter pilot myself.
T00l_shed@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 23d
This isn't a case of perfect being the enemy of good. This is a case of the drones simply not being a good response.
impairedimperator@lemmy.zip · 0 pts · 23d
This assumes that there is a potential for harm reduction in this proposal...which there is not.
WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 23d
A friend was annoying me with one, so I caught it with my hand from behind, and held it steady.
CADmonkey@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 23d
I've a little DJI drone and an old Matrix drone, the matrix has four 800 watt motors spinning 15" blades. You're welcome to try and stick your hand in that one to see if you can catch it.
Doom@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 23d
I'm sure this won't be abused at allllll.
Duamerthrax@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 23d
It's not going to get used at all. They'll sit in their pods, collecting dust and by the time they get activated, if ever, the batteries will be dead, the control software will have bad update or version mismatch, or the nozzles will be clogged.
JasonDJ@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 23d
It'll require a sideloaded android app and they'll have to wait 24 hours to use it.
sunbeam60@feddit.uk · 2 pts · 22d
(I’m not a US citizen; I believe guns should be controlled and there’s no reason for a citizen to own a gun)
Don’t US school run shooter exercises? Darwin, even here in the UK where I live, the secondary school (12-16) ran twice yearly active shooter exercises - although they called them something else, like “lockdown exercise” and we’ve only ever had one school shooting (1996).
My point being that surely any exercise would train the whole response system, including pepper spray drones (still can’t quite believe I’m typing this - anything to avoid actual gun control, I guess)?
KingPorkChop@lemmy.ca · 22 pts · 23d
The US is such a backwards place.
Guy 1: "Uhhh, too many people are shooting up schools with guns. What can we do about that?"
Guy 2: "I know a guy who knows a guy who can make a drone that shoots pepperballs. We can also install bulletproof doors that lock from the inside and get some armed guards to patrol the kindergarden."
Guy 3: "What if we enact some reasonable gun laws?"
Guy 1 and 2: "Ba-ha-ha-ha. Fuck off, commie. Jesus gave all'ya'all these guns. Why do you hate Jesus?"
Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 22d
Depends on the state. The Florida Mindset is not a universal one.
blindbunny@lemmy.ml · 21 pts · 23d
This well be used on students. Mark my words.
driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br · 14 pts · 23d
Fight between two students? Better pepper spray everyone on the corredor and send the asmatic kid to the hospital
richardisaguy@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 23d
Everything but regulate guns
Kaligalis@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 23d
Actually restricting guns for the plebs is impossible in the US. The right to bear arms is literally in the constitution. And when looking at the (pretty damn short, but it does exist) history, it makes perfect sense (even though it doesn't actually work to keep the government honest and the feared British revenge war never happened).
What would be possible even in the US would be making it less likely that the abundant guns (which just ain't going away anytime soon) are used by people with serious mental problems - by reducing the likelihood of serious mental problems to happen.
You need a village to raise a kid.
godsammitdam@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 23d
We also have the right to vote, but Trump wants to restrict that too. So...yes, it's entirely possible in the US. No one has the political will so far to do it. Gun lobbies are too strong and money is above human life, especially our children's.
CatladyX@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 23d
well that's it
and reducing mental health issues is great but does not contribute directly to the issue
Fizz@lemmy.nz · 20 pts · 23d
Why not give the drone a gun?
abbadon420@sh.itjust.works · 17 pts · 23d
You might accidentally shoot the (white) kid of some rich parent.
Fizz@lemmy.nz · 9 pts · 23d
I am willing to make that sacrifice to protect the drones right to bear arms.
frunch@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 23d
A Charlie Kirk for the modern day!
Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 23d
Gotta get the drones out there first.
Tasers are next. Then guns with rubber bullets. Then guns with regular bullets.
Doomsider@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 23d
This particular model already has less "lethal" rounds and concussion grenades.
Treczoks@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 23d
Just wait until the school nerd learns to hack them and sends them after the school bully quarterback.
WizardJr@lemmy.today · 5 pts · 23d
That kid is getting scouted by the US military by end of day.
ThePyroPython@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 23d
Ah the ol' lucrative Hacker-Convict-Security Consultant pipeline.
DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 23d
Luccajan@sh.itjust.works · 18 pts · 23d
I thought this was the onion
Ceruleum@lemmy.wtf · 1 pts · 22d
At this point the onion is more grounded in reality than American politics.
Doomsider@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 23d
Cool, so some fucker from thousands of miles away can control a drone with "less" lethal rounds and explosions. What could possibly go wrong!?
deft@lemmy.wtf · 20 pts · 23d
And also it normalizes seeing drones on school property.
I've said it a thousand times now. Someone is going to 3d print a fully functional drone with low tracibility, slap explosives on it and use it to do a Boston Bombing/Columbine style terrorist attack.
What the hell are they gonna do then? This worlds fucked.
SpikesOtherDog@ani.social · 16 pts · 23d
School during a lockdown is a perfect place for a high-speed wheeled vehicle.
Anything but regulate guns
Why not a flash bang? No really, what's the risk?
Wouldn't this be a police tool?
AstralPath@lemmy.ca · 9 pts · 23d
Flashbangs don't work like they do in games.
SpikesOtherDog@ani.social · 1 pts · 23d
Pretty sure if I time it right I can get a jump boost.
EightBitBlood@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 23d
Fucking LOL.
Let's make school shootings even more confusing by making sure both victims and shooter(s) are all grouped together on the ground screaming about the waeaponized capsacin in their eyes.
Cops in Texas are going to have to explain why they mowed down multiple innocents simply because they couldn't figure out who the shooter was in a sea of kids screaming about getting pepper sprayed after almost getting shot.
This will not end well. It will end with more dead kids not less.
freedom@lemy.lol · 15 pts · 22d
Beginning to normalize armed drones starting in schools. All part of the police state agenda. Do not fear citizen, we see everything.
fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net · 4 pts · 22d
Schools were scary enough when they had a permanent paramilitary occupation (police) now it's going to be downright dangerous to go to one of those prisons
zleap@techhub.social · 15 pts · 23d
@return2ozma
If the reasons for school shootings, in some cases is bullying, perhaps schools need to do MORE to create a school community that is more inclisive, respectful and welcoming to all. However we also need to build up resilience in people, as not everyone is going to treat you nicely all the time, and we need to, in some cases have thicker skin and the ability to say NO and STOP to people in such a way that they then STOP.
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip · 15 pts · 23d
Treating symptoms, the 1954874th.
Darkassassin07@lemmy.ca · 14 pts · 23d
Drones are an effective tool on an open battle field; but they operate under wildly different conditions. Wide open spaces and short contacts (find target, ram to explode. They don't have to loiter and maintain that contact).
A pepper spray equipped drone in a school??? Tight enclosed spaces with halls and doorways (that are usually closed) you've got to navigate. Quad copters are loud, and that'd be amplified by that enclosed space. Without sufficient distance to keep out of reach they'd be an easy target to take down by the assailant. To use the spray, you'd have to get near, deploy it, and escape before being struck down; giving the spray to the assailant to harvest and use.
AND they've only got 8min of flight time.
Mikina@programming.dev · 6 pts · 23d
I'm now imagining a professional-level FPV drone racing controller/pilot just blasting it at 100mph (which iirc is about the speed they race at in corridors) through the shool to drive by pepper-spray someone.
I mean, I'm sure whoever came up with this idea imagined it exactly like that, and ngl it would look pretty cool :D
TheFeatureCreature@lemmy.ca · 13 pts · 23d
I can't think of anything more American than weapon-carrying drones being deployed to combat armed attackers in schools.
postmateDumbass@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 23d
They need a points system.
And Flock cameras so people can bet.
AnthropomorphicCat@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 23d
And those drones will be controlled by ChatGPT/Grok.
dreamy@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 12 pts · 23d
Face shields cost only a few bucks. I don't think this achieves anything.
HCSOThrowaway@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 23d
Pepper spray, especially fog-applied, is going to get around that.
possumparty@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 23d
they'll just ban private ownership of gas masks, same as they did with body armor in nys.
dreamy@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 23d
Could it get around safety goggles as well?
HCSOThrowaway@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 23d
Like the kind you wear in a lab?
No, those are purpose-built to keep airborne contaminants out.
kuhli@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 23d
Eh, sometimes, a lot of lab goggles are vented and only really designed to block liquid splashes
HCSOThrowaway@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 23d
Yeah, fair enough. I just didn't want to give them an "it depends" answer.
JasonDJ@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 23d
If they're worn properly, sure.
There's a reason firemen have mustaches.
JasonDJ@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 23d
Are you even tacticool if you don't show up to your school shooting wearing one?
inb4_FoundTheVegan@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 22d
The lengths we'll go to not do gun control.
Hueristic_Autistic@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 22d
Wow, that's insane.
trackball_fetish@lemmy.wtf · 9 pts · 23d
You know how conservatives yell about protecting the children? HEY MOTHERFUCKERS, KIDS NEED A SAFE ENVIRONMENT TO LEARN AND JUST BE WITHOUT GODDAMN ARMED DRONES FLYING AROUND THE HALLS OF THEIR SCHOOLS. THAT SHIT IS PERVERSE AND WEIRD. WHAT ARE YOU PEOPLE THINKING? IS NOTHING SACRED? LEAVE THE FUCKIN CHILDREN ALONE.
yarrage@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 23d
Quick, initiate lockdown, barricade all windows and pull down the curtains!
But sir, what about dem drones?
You're right, leave the doors open en don't pull down the curtains!
Lockdown succesful, lives saved
RoddyStiggs@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 7 pts · 23d
Uh, FUCK THAT? Maybe?
Onyxonblack@piefed.social · 7 pts · 23d
What was that movie from the late 80s or early 90s that had metal detectors at the high school. The students looked dangerous. And the teachers, or substitute teachers, they were all human-looking Killer Androids? There was a bunch of gang warfare as well?
Atomicbunnies@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 6 pts · 23d
Class of 1999
Onyxonblack@piefed.social · 3 pts · 23d
That's it!
Willy@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 23d
I think it had Molly Ringwold.
FriendOfDeSoto@startrek.website · 6 pts · 23d
If you can't (or won't) cut down on having firearms freely available, and if you cannot (or will not) do more on the mental health side of prevention, and you have already invented bullet proof whiteboards, doors like battlefield tanks, and implemented a system of metal detector entry checks and maybe deployed an armed guard, then this is an almost good idea. It's the blinking light in the window and an alarm system sticker on the window that may deter a thief but for school shootings.
I'm not sure about pepper spray. Is a blind shooter unloading their AR-15 magazine an improvement over a fully sighted one? Why aren't they equipping them with tranquilizer darts? Cross promotion potential for zoos as well.
What are the odds that we get coordinated school attacks and we find out one part-time student at the control center can't fly 5 drones in 5 different high schools at the same time?
deliriousdreams@fedia.io · 4 pts · 23d
Pepper spray doesn't have to be accurate and it's more immediate than a tranquilizer (which could also be dangerous because the same amount of traquilizer used on a grown adult could kill a kid).
That being said this is "let's try anything except addressing mental health, bullying, and gun control".
DarkCloud@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 23d
How does one "install" a drone?
Crackhappy@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 23d
Ask yer mum.
Hueristic_Autistic@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 22d
Installing one imo would be a fiber optic fixed pathway
Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 22d
School shooters respond by using attack drones.
craftrabbit@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 22d
Yes, this is obviously the best way to solve the problem
gedaliyah@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 23d
welp, I'm sure that will never be misused....
Malyca@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 23d
I'm sure the dead kids with asthma will be grateful
Sirdubdee@piefed.social · 4 pts · 23d
I got these for the office to stop people from slacking off. Works like a charm. They’ll get you good if you spend too long at the water cooler.
glitch1985@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 23d
I'll send you my script to have them monitor bathroom usage. I've perfected lobing the pepper balls over the bathroom partitions.
Sirdubdee@piefed.social · 2 pts · 23d
Oh that would be nice. I currently use motion activated lights in the bathroom set to turn off after 30 seconds. Cell reception is terrible in there too.
Kaligalis@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 23d
Damn. I wished we had those in our school back then. What mischief I could have done with a borrowed drone like that...
SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 23d
Lmao, even
modus@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 23d
Are they bulletproof?
Eh_I@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 23d
Arm then with real munitions you cowards!
AeonFelis@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 23d
The only way to stop a bad schoolkid with a gun is with a good drone with a pepper spray?
robocall@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 23d
Mass shootings are a dime a dozen. Luigi and Tyler are memorable.
dan69@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 23d
I love it! Nothing like a backpack or a stick from outside to knock that to the ground..
Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org · 1 pts · 23d
I want such a drone!
TheFrirish@tarte.nuage-libre.fr · -1 pts · 23d