Imagine having so little talent that you consider AI generated slop "art"

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Poisoning it is sadly an Arms Race, one that will inevitably be lost

Nightshade and Glaze only run on Windows. Cara has a partnership with them so that your work automatically gets Glazed before being published, hence the anti-AI fame.

Dang, so... Is there a before and after comparison of an image being poisoned? Or would that defeat the purpose because an AI could then learn to recognize poison?

And all because they didnt get into art school.

Who would have thought not getting into art school would be such a major cause of issues for humanity.

I fully agree with your point.

But this is one of the worst analogies I've ever heard.

BEHOLD, THE SLAPPERNATOR

/me slaps MandarinDawnPoppy994 around a bit with a large trout

If they're really only distributing links too the fix is to simply rotate all the URLs. It would break shared links but maybe you can have a redirect layer the scrapers can't follow in there

CN: indirect mentions of transphobia

It's always super interesting to see the way that people talk in an ideologically oriented subreddit such as this (though less so nowadays due to bots)

!One of the most interesting examples of this was back before the transphobia subreddit GenderCritical got banned. When I first heard of the sub, from it's name, I thought that it would be like the exact opposite of what it actually is, like people who were critical of the entire construct of gender. Alas, it was a cess pool of hate. What I found super interesting though was that they did regular "Just no trans" threads, where they would ask people what their "just no trans" moment was. It was honestly absurd how many of the stories in these threads took the form of "I was abused by a cis man, and then struggled to get any justice against him because patriarchy often excuses these kinds of acts. Anyway, that's why I hate trans women". It made me realise how many of the people who identify as TERFs specifically are just traumatised women who feel so disempowered under the patriarchy that they feel comforted by the power they get from punching down at trans people. It's fucking tragic, because our best strategy against systemic oppression is always intersectional solidarity, and when it comes to feminism specifically, trans people are situated uniquely well to be able to strengthen the cause.!<

You can learn a lot about people from how they speak when they're amongst their own

You talking abiut the silly convo vídeo?

The idea I believe it to prevent your art from being scraped. Self-hosting Isn't a solution

I think you should also include the text somewhere reachable so no-one can claim that license wasn't obscured. Its totally fair to strike back with your own type of EULA!

Its a bit delusional to think you can sue them. For a number of reasons, not least of which is that you don't have the funds for a protracted legal battle and that the burden of proof that your work was used is pretty much impossible to prove.

How will you poof that there was this high of a damage?

They claim they may have a way to remove Glaze and Nightshade, two of the tools protecting images hosted on Cara from being used as training data. Which means right now they don’t have a way to remove it, which means Cara is still working, which I’m not implying is going to forever be true nor am I particularly informed; I just read the whole post.

Does CARA implement protections on scraping? Or is it meant to be a platform where even if scraped, the images are protected via Nightshade and other tech?

An individual being able to specifically target an Anti-AI site is different that crawlers being automated to do the same thing to every site ignoring robot.txt files etc.

So it took an individual to go and specific target this platform which I think means that CARA isn't really breaking its promises so much as it just needs to continue to update the techniques it uses to protect the artworks housed there. Web security has always been a game of cat and mouse.

From reading a bit more through various linked posts, I don't think they downloaded the artwork for the claimed $10, but scraped the site for a list of URLs from which to download it.

There are a number of references to the "dataset" (implied to just be this list) becoming useless if Cara were to implement stricter rate limiting.

It's kind of an intractable problem though. The more "protected" the art is, aka restricted from the public, the harder it is to actually show human beings.

I think the only practical solution would be "prints only." Archive the digital copy, display the prints in museums... not to replicate Instagram.

The fact they also claim they can disable nightshade tells me this is a shyster looking to make a quick payday from a zip file of jpegs

Not putting the work online slashes accessibility and discoverability though

The mass amount of morons wearing pervert glasses will probably just end up copying those prints

Or self-host a website, there's bunch of public FOSS CMS, blog software that can be deployed in a single line of code.

We used to have those in Eastern Europe. I miss those days.

Does anyone have a self hosted social media, where all of the media on my profile would be on my server (even a phone) and somebody viewing my profile would literally have to pull thumbnails and data straight from my device in a peer to peer kind of fashion?

I'll plug meshtastic and ham radio, then. Meshtastic (at least in the US, no idea about other places) is legal to do without any sort of license. It's a peer to peer messaging service basically. So imagine like a walkie talkie that sends texts. Ham Radio needs a license but blows the doors open on the types of stuff you can do.

Violently rip off nazis's heads, and defecate down their neck.

I like not having to worry about catching a ban here.

A comment above said they went to check this thread and the user had been banned.

I feel this. I play notes that will never be reheard. I don't do it for anyone but myself because I enjoy it and relaxes me.

My dude I play a musical instrument what takes a team of a dozen people to play properly. Art is silly. I wouldn't have it any other way

That he's a modern script kiddie.

There has to be a word for people, who when they hear someone hates X, but they personally like the X, so they decide to do the X even harder out of spite or as a defiance.

oh thank god, reddit is now a little better place

They absolutely understand that it's evil and immoral, they just simply don't care. This is becoming really prevalent on the internet, people think of others on the internet as not human so it's easier for evil to become rampant even if these people aren't be malicious in real life.

Incredibly cold take, freezing even. Most people learn bad people exist before they even hit puberty. You'd have to be insanely naive and sheltered for this to be your first exposure to evil.

Gotta make a stop at dah QuikTrip for some glazers, eh?

Donuts? Did we forget all about the people that work with glass?

"Need a light?" - Terran Firebat quote from Starcraft 1. :)

(It’s just that there was also a swarm in the StarCraft game, and it’s just a joke — I’m not hinting at anything.)

I'll admit that a comment in here doubting he's close to removing nightshade made me curious about how it works and how to defeat it as a technical challenge. Though I'd need to use windows or Mac to play around with it. Though it sounds like it requires fairly in depth knowledge of both how stable diffusion works as well as what it's doing and my interest is already falling.

These sites need to find a way to make it easy for bots to scrape a bunch of AI slop images while humans only see human made content.

I quite of second this. People often seem to forget the fact that everything we post to the Internet, unless it got some sort of password-lock or GPG/PGP/E2EE encryption, should be considered as already exposed or something...

And, hell, even with encryption, the recipient risks leaking it once they open it. Screenshot-lock? The recipient can take a photo of the screen with a second device, or use analog HDMI splitters (akin to how movie streams are pirated) to capture the thing digitally. Poisoning the well? The recipient can apply heavy photoshopping to it until the subpixel elements are rendered meaningless, or they can even rotoscope on top of the art before feeding it to VLMs (I highly doubt Nightshade and similar algorithms would be able to poison traced-over derivatives). File metadata and things such as alternative NTFS streams? Doesn't last long after being uploaded to a back-end, the most of which will likely strip it all for privacy/security reasons (e.g. because EXIF can sometimes carry geolocation data, so platforms may end up stripping EXIF altogether). Paywall? Nothing technically stops a buyer from uploading it somewhere else.

The only thing that could theoretically protect it after the publishing is the usage of licenses (e.g. Creative Commons, or All Rights Reserved), but, in practice, we know the only ones who could truly afford enforcing their licensing terms are those who can afford a legion of lawyers, namely studios such as Nintendo and Disney. We, amateur artists, we are neither a Nintendo nor a Disney.

And I say this as an artist myself. I once made a 3D model of an owl in Blender, fully sculpted from scratch (there's something magical in the fact that an UV sphere can become an entire character after treating the sphere like a ball of clay to be molded) and rigged/morphable. I'm very fond of this creation of mine, I love her, she is practically sacred to me, so sacred I don't want her to be misused. I don't want her to become a commercial product (original or derivative), and I know even a CC-BY-NC-SA wouldn't protect her from that because I couldn't afford one lawyer, let alone a legion of these, to sue whoever corporation or individual dared to misuse my creation. So I leave her unpublished because, while she's unpublished, nobody can do improper uses of her, not even AI corporations.

The moment me, as an artist, publish something online, I can't truly expect my creation not to be misused somewhere... So everything I publish, I publish with this in mind. I don't believe in "Intellectual Property" (bc ideas aren't apples to become scarce), but I believe in the fact that a creation risks misuse whenever it reaches some hand other than my own.

!fuck_ai@lemmy.world

If you park your car outside, it is easy to steal.

Accept that and move on.

If i put a garden gnome outside i'd expect people to be decent and not steal it and send it to space.

If you keep your stuff in your house, it's easy to steal. Otherwise people wouldn't be able to break your door down.

Accept that and move on.

When NFT bros where claiming digital ownership, we rightfully made fun of them. Now we want to protect our images and have forgotten that it can't be done by technology alone.

Wow I really don't know what the downvotes are all about because your point is pretty much correct.

Real world example: If you hang up an image in a public space people can and will take pictures of it. You can't stop this.

The whole thing has pretty much nothing to do with AI...