Both Microsoft and Sony say they're under no obligation to pass tariff refunds on to customers

And they’re not.

And you’re not obligated to buy their products

Just to highlight the good actors too:

For one thing, Arctic announced a price rollback after securing its refund, saying this will continue until "every single dollar Arctic received [...] has been paid back to our customers."

Panic, maker of the Playdate handheld, has taken a bolder stance, offering refunds to those who bought its console and were charged extra for its tariffs. Company co-founder Cabel Sasser said last month, "It's just not our money to keep."

Guess I'll continue pirating their shit.

Ha ha ha ha. It was a fucking griffffttttt!!!!

I really hate that companies being hostile to their customers has become normalised such that it's really expected.

There's very clearly a right and scrupulous thing to do. Not having an obligation to do that is not an excuse not to.

Please don't forget who enacted these unlawful tariffs in the first place and who, to this day, uses them to blackmail other countries.

No one could have possibly anticipated this

If the government wanted the people to have it they could have stipulated that or, better yet, given it directly to the people. You need a complicit government for 'privatized profit; socialized loses'

People are butthurt about this but don't have the willpower to not buy or use their products.

Not surprising considering most companies have no plans to refund the consumer for the tariff costs they passed on because there's no regulation forcing them to do so.

why?

because fuck you. that's why.

This entire scheme was a combination of market manipulation along with a universal price hike. A lot of very rich people got a lot richer. They got to engage in insider trading while massively increasing prices while pretending they had no choice.

And we have no obligation to buy their products. Bodycott is the only language companies understand

And that's a surprise to.... absolutely no one

If some people haven’t woken up to reality yet and this other nail in the coffin doesn’t do it, I don’t know what will.

Obligated? No

They're doing it for the love of the game

yeah fuck you too

Yes, that's correct, they are under no obligation. Obviously. It would be nice if they did that, but there is obviously no obligation.

TBF, I'm not getting one from Linux, either.

Because they don't have to. This is business. This is psychopathy. They will only give when they are compelled to do so.

We over charged you and you can suck it.

The same obligation we are under to buy them or not.

They make it so much easier for us nerds to tell the normies that these companies suck and to not buy shit from them. Broken ad infested OS, no disk Sony drama, and now this.

Sony already don't want me to buy their games, so at least they've ensured they don't owe me a refund.

Maybe not, but they should anyways.

microsoft is trying to pass the AI cost to customers, via windows 11.

I believe UPS and FedEx are required to make refunds as people were explicitly charged tariff related fees.

Because Sony and Microsoft just baked the price in, its a little hard to get them to refund since theres technically nothing to refund (as shady and fucked up and goodwill burning as it is).

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MS has other more concerning things they will pass on to.

Ok so profits are through the roof but there's no one to buy your products.

They must just need more time to do the right thing naturally without being legally obligated?

We do (in the USA) have a legal framework for this already? There are at least a handful of industries where, if it is found that they've mischarged, they do have to provide a refund.

Also the thing that annoys me the most is: They didn't pay the tarrifs, the consumers did. Those price changes were 100% passed onto consumers, and it should be consumers of those products seeing the refunds. If they can prove that they lost revenue based on the price hikes, sure, give some recompense, but they shouldn't be getting refunds on something they effectively didn't spend money on

Haha stupid consumer.

greedy fucks have no heart nor soul for anyone but themselves

I can't really blame them. I wouldn't expect a check in the mail from Starbucks because of their coffee bean tariffs were refunded.

And yet game developers will keep fellating Microsoft, requiring Windows to play their PC games, giving those of us who left Windows the finger.

They're all basically in on the grift.

Unpopular opinion I guess, but sure. Why should they? They sold good for a price they deemed worthy, calculated their dues and risk, and customer bought it for this price.

Companies have to maximize their profit.

People should not be mad at those companies. Proper targets are: Those who created unlawful taxes, capitalism or the specific rules within capitalism or the (in this case) the USA.