Man that's rougher than I expected. 0/3, either we got really unlucky or supply vs. demand is way out of whack :(
Edit: Here's a website that's giving some rough estimates! https://steamframeout.com/
Edit 2: And this one: https://steamhardware.io/tracker/steam-frame/
135 Comments
sanpo@sopuli.xyz · 51 pts · 7d
I'm so happy for everyone else in these comments saying they got on the reservation list.
SpamalaHamderson@piefed.social · 30 pts · 7d
That's definitely some rough luck. Hopefully you're on the next round!
I was lucky enough to make it on the 1TB reservation queue in the US!
hereiamagain@sh.itjust.works · 16 pts · 7d
I also managed to make the reservation list! In the US.
I'm amazed, I literally never win anything. I very much expected to be on the wait-list.
Opisek@piefed.blahaj.zone · 20 pts · 7d
I got lucky and got in the queue.
hikaru755@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 7d
That's awesome! So jealous though
marighost@piefed.social · 8 pts · 7d
Same, had a couple of friends join the list and myself and one friend got lucky. Wish it were cheaper, but I'm excited.
JPAKx4@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 16 pts · 7d
I got into the reservation Queue, US
cronenthal@discuss.tchncs.de · 6 pts · 7d
Wait, there's another queue?
khannie@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 7d
Yeah there's a reservation queue (you'll get it soon) and a waitlist (not so soon).
SatyrSack@quokk.au · 2 pts · 6d
There are several reservation queues:
deacon@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 7d
That reminded me to check my email and I’m in queue for the 1Tb. I think this might rate my first woot in over a decade.
Woot!
2fm@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 7d
Woot!
ianhclark510@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 16 pts · 7d
Meanwhile I’m still waiting for my Steam Machine reservation 😭
SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.social · 14 pts · 7d
Yeah me too.
ThunderComplex@lemmy.today · 14 pts · 7d
Yup, waitlist. Very sad. At least we can share in the sadness together.
Lemmchen@feddit.org · 13 pts · 7d
I also landed on the waitlist. Sad :(
256GB, Germany
Dathknight@discuss.tchncs.de · 10 pts · 7d
I got lucky and got onto the reservation list for a 1TB model!
(Germany)
Zahtu@feddit.org · 5 pts · 7d
also got lucky, with the 256gb model!
RandomLegend@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 9 pts · 7d
256,EU
also waitlist 😭
binarytobis@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 7d
Damn, that email meant I missed the draw?
I’ve missed every steam lottery draw and this one sucks the most. 50% odds, too, apparently.
hikaru755@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 7d
If it says waitlist, then yes. If it says reservation list, you made it!
binarytobis@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 7d
Oh snap, I misread it! It says reservation.
Thanks for the comment!
hikaru755@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 7d
timochka@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 7d
Oh yay, I got the email saying "reservation queue" and wasn't really sure what that meant - I assumed it was "you've not won this round, but you're in the queue if someone drops out".
yay!
Honytawk@discuss.tchncs.de · 3 pts · 7d
Same.
They were going to go through the orders chronologically afterwards.
Johanno@feddit.org · 8 pts · 7d
Valve didn't want my money too.
They took someone else instead.
I am disappointed and shocked that Gabe chose someone else!
FatVegan@leminal.space · 3 pts · 6d
That's so not like him
Railcar8095@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 7d
Four friends entered, 2 got it. I was expecting worse ratio.
artyom@piefed.social · 8 pts · 7d
What does it mean if I received nothing?
eco_game@discuss.tchncs.de · 7 pts · 7d
The emails are sent out in batches (according to someone in this thread, it does make sense though). It means the email batch you're in wasn't sent yet, so you still have to wait for the email. I also haven't gotten an email yet.
artyom@piefed.social · 4 pts · 7d
That seems...not good.
hereiamagain@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 7d
Not necessarily, people seem to be getting a mix of wins and loses all day long.
I doubt it's just "send all the wins, then all the loses"
artyom@piefed.social · 1 pts · 7d
I mean none of this makes much sense to me. I dunno why they don't just send them all at once...but it seems like sooner would be better than later.
hikaru755@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 7d
That's pretty standard to be honest. Every individual email takes some time to send since you need to communicate to external servers. Even if you don't deliberately group them into batches for better monitoring and load spreading, that's just gonna take a while to churn through
cynar@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 7d
Email systems have a tendency to flag mass mails as spam. By sending them in batches, it stops other email systems panicking as much.
It also lets a human check over things, and limit the effects of a screwup.
SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 7d
Depends on how they're deciding ordering. It could be that earlier waitlist emails mean higher on the list. But it could also be a different system.
It could also be when you put in to the raffle, you're in line. Then on raffle close time, they start at the beginning of the line and rng you a number between 1 and the number of people in line, setting your order, and if you get a number within however many units they have, you win a reservation. With the waves of emails just being them going through chunks of people, eliminating undesirables and cheaters and bots and stuff.
Like the first 10 people who put in initially could all get the highest (worst) numbered slots in the order. And if you haven't gotten an email at all yet, you could still rng slot #1, assuming it's available.
It could also just be a massive shuffle at all once and them just vetting the accounts.
I'm really curious to how they're actually doing it. It could absolutely be more robust, and it's exciting to imagine them really getting carried away with the method. Like total rng ordering with tie breaking or something silly. Or like a recursive iterative sort for no reason. These raffles ran by scientists can get crazy nerdy quickly. Maybe they'll talk about it and have done something like use hl2 to order stuff somehow.
InvalidName2@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 7d
It means you died. Please give my condolences to your friends and family. If you do get an email that your reservation was approved, please forward it along to me for further inspection.
artyom@piefed.social · 2 pts · 7d
rip
Kwdg@discuss.tchncs.de · 2 pts · 7d
Have you gotten the mail yet? I'm still waiting for mine
artyom@piefed.social · 3 pts · 7d
No!
artyom@piefed.social · 3 pts · 7d
Just got it. I'm in!
Kwdg@discuss.tchncs.de · 2 pts · 7d
Congrats! I'm still waiting for the mail
artyom@piefed.social · 1 pts · 6d
Hang in there!
Kwdg@discuss.tchncs.de · 1 pts · 6d
I'm on the waitlist
artyom@piefed.social · 1 pts · 6d
noooooo :(
2fm@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 7d
Waitlist also, western NA region, 1TB model. Damn.
What are y'alls thoughts for when the next wave for reservations may go out? What were Machine/Controller waitlists like? This is my first foray into Steam lotteries.
TaterTot@piefed.social · 7 pts · 7d
As someone who is still in the waitlist for the Steam Machine, and Steam Controller...
For some, they still weren't like... they just are...
hikaru755@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 7d
Ooof
hikaru755@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 7d
Would looove to know that too, I have no idea of what to expect on the waitlist.
LwL@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 7d
The controller page gives an estimate now (the one someone sent me just said "2027" but that's something, apparently for some it said a specific month in 2026). Maybe after the first batch of reservations is fully sold the frame page will be updated similarly. Though if the website in the OP doesn't have some major sampling bias, it doesn't seem unlikely that the next batch will cover the remaining pre-registrations. Though when that batch will be not even valve might know right now.
nfreak@lemmy.ml · 8 pts · 7d
I actually got in the queue but I probably can't afford the damn thing right now, I was being a bit optimistic when I signed up lmfao
Almacca@aussie.zone · 7 pts · 7d
Just checked my email after waking to read this and, yep, wait list. 256GB in Aus. I'm kind of surprised by the demand, honestly. I thought VR was a bit of a dying fad and more of a niche thing.
2fm@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 7d
https://www.steamframeout.com/ is suggesting a friggen ton(ne) more demand than I expected as well.
fistac0rpse@fedia.io · 6 pts · 7d
Huh, damn. Me and a friend in AU both got into the reservation queue for the 256 model
Almacca@aussie.zone · 4 pts · 7d
Lucky. I'm not in any real hurry for it to be honest. My Quest2 still works fine, for now.
MolochAlter@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 6d
I was literally sitting at a table with my only other friend who ordered one when the mail got sent, she got in and I didn't.
Salty, to say the least.
cronenthal@discuss.tchncs.de · 7 pts · 7d
Waitlist (ಥ﹏ಥ) 1TB, EU
EvilBit@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 7d
Don’t want to give anyone false hope, but I got a Steam Machine reservation email about a month after ending up on the waitlist (I’m sadly in the US).
TheAgeOfSuperboredom@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 7d
I'm also on the waitlist :(
BigPotato@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 7d
I own three Steam Decks and my account was made when Half Life 2 released. I have been "past" the wait-list on both the Machine and the Frame.
Like, oh well, but still.
2fm@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 6d
21 years, active, good standing. Also waitlisted, rather hear that than nothing whatsoever, though.
Gumus@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 6 pts · 7d
I fully expected to be waiting till spring. Got reservation, to my surprise. I've got 1500€ set aside for it since January.
1TB, EU
fhein@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 7d
Same here, EU and 256GB version. Have not seen anyone anywhere saying they won the lottery yet.
VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 7d
I did, I think. My email says I'm in the queue instead of on the waitlist.
hereiamagain@sh.itjust.works · 9 pts · 7d
Yeah the wait-list email is very clear that you will be waiting. The reservation email didn't explain things very clearly, so when I got it, I wasn't immediately excited. I was worried I was misreading it, so I went to steam but their verbage has been removed from the page. So I ended up having to Google around to confirm that I should be excited.
Cricket@lemmy.zip · 7 pts · 7d
Same here, but after I saw some of the email screenshots here showing what the waitlist message looked like, then I realized I had been lucky.
sleepydragn1@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 7d
I won the lottery for the 256GB variant in the US, for what it's worth. Otherwise, based on the community tracker, it's about a 2:3 ratio of reservations to waitlists so far?
hikaru755@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 7d
Thanks for that link! I also found this one: https://steamframeout.com/
2fm@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 7d
This is awesome, thanks!
frank@sopuli.xyz · 5 pts · 7d
Same, and still on the wait-list (me and my partner) for the Machine. Some rough luck for us!!
Million@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 7d
What you guys planning on doing with a steam frame?
I have used vr for like 3 games and then racing games. But thats about it.
Really difficult to justify 1k+ for a device that to me feels like a novelty outside racing games.
python@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 7d
Minecraft!! I already have hundreds of hours in just Vivecraft with no extra Mods, but I've been really getting into the whole of Create Mod (with Aeronautics and Coasters Simulated) recently and those would be amazing in VR. My Quest 1 setup is really starting to struggle though, so I'm putting off a full Create + VR playthrough for the frame.
I also kinda want to get into VR Chat, I think. Just to try that whole "socializing" thing, see what the fuss is about.
Other than that, I'm fine with having a novelty device. I used to really like VR for studying since it forced my Adhd ass to keep the studying material in my field of view. But now I'm done with my education (and on some proper medication) so it's not much of a use case anymore.
FatVegan@leminal.space · 3 pts · 6d
I really kinda love vr. I had a dev kit back in tge day and bought tge vive when it came out. Things that are pretty outdated right now i assume. I can't stress enough how much i love the idea of vr and whatever, but for some reason i get sweaty as hell, i kinda get dizzy, depending on the game. But more than anything else, for some reason it scares the piss oht of me, and i don't know why. Scary Movies and video games do nothing for me. With vr it's embarrassing. The best game i played was half life and minecraft (a really early build) i ripped my headset of playing half life and i pushed further until the point where you first encounter these big walkers and i just couldn't. It's weird, and i don't know if that is something i would ever get used to.
oyo@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 6d
I got an index when Alyx came out, and zero interesting games have come out since.
Cethin@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 6d
I had an original Vive, and I enjoyed it. There's not too many exclusive VR games, but there are other experiences. For example, 3D movies are viewable without the shitty experience that is a 3D TV. There are also a lot of traditional games that have good VR experiences. Also, obviously, porn.
AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 6d
I used my Oculus CV1 a fair bit before I had to stow my PC for a while. Then of course meta made it so you needed to get a special secret user account on a new service which I could never get to validate, and their stuff didn't work in Linux anyway, so ...
But shooting games, space sims... Various things.
Cethin@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 6d
I got in the queue. I'm sure there will be a lot of cancelations though. A lot of people probably signed up because it was free, and we're still deciding if they wanted to purchase. In three days I bet you get your chance.
Out of curiosity, which version did you sign up for? I signed up for the cheaper one. I wonder if the more expensive one is more limited?
hikaru755@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 6d
I signed up for the smaller version as well. Judging from the tracker website, you indeed had a slightly better change for that one than for the 1 TB:
Although that doesn't tell us anything about how limited it was, since it also depends on how many ordered that version in the first place
charles@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 7d
Managed to get on the reservation queue for the 256GB in Canada.
I think Valve used up all of my luck for the foreseeable future, I somehow managed to get a controller at launch, a Machine within a few weeks of launch, and now the Frame.
Still haven't 100% decided if I'll keep my slot, but chances are pretty good I will given I've been looking to upgrade from the Rift S for a long time.
python@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 7d
I still haven't received an email at all. Getting kinda nervous :'l
psyc@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 7d
I’m right there with you. Still in limbo no email
python@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 7d
Sigh, still no mail. I choose to believe that we're just so far at the front of the queue that Valve doesn't bother sending us the reservation mails because we will be getting ordering mails right away 😤
psyc@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 6d
Got my email too! Right at the end of the 24 hour mark. See you on the grid 😬
python@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 6d
Hell yeah, congrats!
Schmuppes@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 7d
Fingers crossed, brother.
python@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 7d
ooh I just got it!
I'll finally be able to retire my Quest 1 soon :D
Romulon@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 7d
Reservation queue, 1TB, EU.
TragicNotCute@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 7d
Same for me. US, didn’t make the list.
Kaiserschmarrn@feddit.org · 4 pts · 7d
I've received my reservation notice half an hour ago. ♥️ (EU)
Schmuppes@lemmy.today · 3 pts · 7d
I found a guy who's willing to sell his reservation for 2.500 € (1 TB model with accessories).
Railcar8095@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 7d
Accept it and go in person with a hammer.
For those who think I'm inciting violence with this comment: you're correct.
Schmuppes@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 7d
I wasted some of his time, but I guess I've reached the end of the road at "wire me 100 € deposit and I'll be in touch when I have the Frame".
hikaru755@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 7d
Inevitable. Fucking scalpers
PonyOfWar@pawb.social · 7 pts · 7d
I've been spending some time today reporting scalpers on Ebay and other platforms. Hopefully getting some of them to cancel, but I'm afraid they'll still find a way to sell.
eco_game@discuss.tchncs.de · 3 pts · 7d
Wait what? I signed up for 256 GB in the EU, but I didn't get any kind of email yet.
Edit: I finally received the email, 20h after the signup window closed. Waitlist :(
2fm@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 7d
Could take up to a day IIRC, you should recieve something by end of day Sept 18th Pacific time... that's a wait that would have killed me more than finding out I'm on a waitlist. Closure is closure, I guess?
(They did say that emails go out in batches)
eco_game@discuss.tchncs.de · 4 pts · 7d
Yeah if anything, I'm surprised so many people got an email so quickly. Still a bummer hearing everyone talk about it and just sitting there waiting...
julianwgs@discuss.tchncs.de · 3 pts · 7d
It is very unfortunate that these website only aggregate these numbers after the lottery. These estimates are so dependent on having a random sample and this is not guarenteed anymore (people who got on the waitlist are more/less likely to visit such websites)
hikaru755@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 7d
I don't actually mind that, as it gives a worst case estimation and it is likely to be better in reality. Better than the other way around
julianwgs@discuss.tchncs.de · 1 pts · 7d
What do you mean by worst case?
I cannot provide a good source (besides the book "How to measure anything") for this, but probably 50 random participants would be enough to provide a pretty accurate estimate of waitlist wait time. That‘s orders of magnitude less than the data these sites have, but they are probably less accurate.
hikaru755@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 7d
As you said these sites are likely to overrepresent waitlisted people. As a fellow waitlisted person, I'm using them to get an idea of how "bad" the situation is, i.e. to curb my expectations about moving to the reservation list at some point. Waitlisted people being overrepresented will make the situation look worse than it is, meaning I'm more likely to be positively surprised than negatively.
julianwgs@discuss.tchncs.de · 1 pts · 6d
How do you know that waitlist people are overrepresented? The problem with sampling biases is that you don‘t how the estimate is affected.
hikaru755@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 6d
I only stumbled over these sites after I got put on the waitlist, if I had gotten on the reservation list I probably wouldn't have looked around as much. Assuming I'm not special, that would mean there's some bias towards waitlisted people. But I might be wrong about that, sure
rtxn@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 7d
Fuck.
ace@lemmy.ananace.dev · 3 pts · 7d
Managed to get into the queue for a 1TB here in EU, first bit of proper luck I've had with the Valve hardware so far
PlasticExistence@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 7d
In the queue for a 1TB (USA). I hope everyone gets their reservation in the coming weeks!
I’ve had quite a shit year in general and previous bad luck with the Steam Controller and Machine, so this was a nice change.
Natanael@infosec.pub · 3 pts · 7d
Curious stats in the split between 1TB and 256GB lists across countries, some are close and some are far off each other
JRaccoon@discuss.tchncs.de · 3 pts · 7d
Wow, usually I have the worst luck but somehow I landed in the reservation queue. 256GB, EU.
poke@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 7d
I'm aware of me and 3 friends entering. One gets to order soon, other 3 are on waitlist.
thzihdd@feddit.org · 3 pts · 6d
Just ordered yesterday evening. Expected more waiting to be honest.
Fingers crossed for all of you.
Kaiserschmarrn@feddit.org · 2 pts · 5d
oh, so you were able to order one already? I'm still waiting for my turn and have some discounted VR games in my cart. 😅
thzihdd@feddit.org · 1 pts · 5d
Yes, got the reservation email 17.09 after joining on 16.09. Order was open one day later on 18.09.
Seems, I was very lucky again. 😇
When the Steam Controller came out I just ordered it before there were any queues. When I ordered the 1TB Steam Deck it was soon after out of stock...
volle@feddit.org · 3 pts · 7d
Waitlist 1TB EU 😟
empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 7d
Considering the condition of the consumer electronics market right now, I would be surprised if the ratio of signups to available units is anything less than 50:1.
hikaru755@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 7d
It doesn't seem to be that bad, judging from the tracker sites. More like 4:3 or somethin
PonyOfWar@pawb.social · 2 pts · 7d
Waitlist, both for me and my nephew. I hate the lottery system.
potustheplant@feddit.nl · 16 pts · 7d
It's the fairest solution imo. What would you prefer? A bot beating you to the punch?
PonyOfWar@pawb.social · 1 pts · 7d
I have managed to get every single Valve hardware I wanted to get so far (Deck, Deck OLED, Controller), just by showing up on time and being patient with the servers. Until now. So for me personally, my experience with the old system has been better.
They already had bot prevention measures by requiring a game purchase on Steam etc just like they did for the Frame. If a bot managed to buy a Steam Controller, it could also have entered the lottery for the Frame. So I'm not sure that there is that much of an advantage in that regard. Ebay is full of scalpers already.
potustheplant@feddit.nl · 6 pts · 7d
So because it was better for you, you preferred the old method. Got it.
PonyOfWar@pawb.social · 1 pts · 7d
Well yeah. I said I hate the lottery and you asked me what I prefer. I prefer receiving the product earlier obviously and the previous method has worked for me.
potustheplant@feddit.nl · -1 pts · 7d
So it's obvious for you to only think about yourself? Gotcha.
Railcar8095@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 7d
The purchase history has to be older than the stream controller, so those bots are not eligeable (requirement is April, controller released on may).
The bot/scalper problem wasn't such an issue before. The deck oled had stock for many days in my region.
In theory they are already prioritizing old/verified accounts, demand is just much higher than supply.
I hope you get lucky with you place on the wait list, I think this was the best solution to a very shitty situation.
I didn't get it two of my friends did.
PonyOfWar@pawb.social · 2 pts · 7d
Steam controller already had that requirement for an older purchase though. You couldn't buy the Steam Controller with a new account. So yes, any that were eligible to buy the controller were eligible for the Steam Frame lottery.
Railcar8095@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 7d
The frame requirement is not the same as the controller.
The controller had as retirement any previous purchase. The frame has a purchase before April. So there will be users/bots who bought the controller and are not eligeable for the frame.
PonyOfWar@pawb.social · 1 pts · 7d
Fair enough, looks like they only introduced the april requirement a few days after launching the controller. Misremembered that.
festus@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 6d
My cousin and I both got the waitlist.
steel_for_humans@piefed.social · 2 pts · 6d
I got on the reservation list for a friend :) He didn't even get on the wait-list, haha. But he had a smart plan to ask as many friends as possible to sign up and actually two of us were chosen. I am not even interested in Frame, I do have a Steam Deck, but otherwise I'm a console gamer and VR was never fun to me (I tried multiple headsets), I just like pancake games more.
orochi02@feddit.org · 1 pts · 3d
Pancake meaning?
steel_for_humans@piefed.social · 1 pts · 3d
Flat, as in on screen, non-VR games.
SwooshBakery624@programming.dev · 2 pts · 6d
None of Steam hardware being sold in my country is sad. I asked the Steam support if they have any plans on expanding their country list and they told me that they don't have any such plans at the moment. It was in late summer iirc.
hikaru755@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 6d
Aw, that sucks. What country is that?
jagermo@feddit.org · 1 pts · 7d
Same. So, three friends??!???
ParlimentOfDoom@piefed.zip · -18 pts · 7d
Imagine being disappointed your weren't chosen to overpay for this...
Honytawk@discuss.tchncs.de · 7 pts · 7d
Some of us don't mind spending money on our hobby.
And rather mind getting data scraped by one of the biggest advertisement companies that subsidized their headsets in order to get more data and get bootlickers online to defend their malpractices.
hikaru755@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 7d
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