When someone does something you don't want them to do, but the reason you don't want them to do it is completely invalid - that's when you call it virtue signalling.
I recently commented somewhere that the more Elon Musk leans into MAGA the more he looks like a Sith lord and the affliction appears to be hitting Mark Zuckerberg too lately.
I want to agree, but terms like "vice" and "virtue" are subjective. To label what Cuckerberg and his ilk are doing as "virtue" signaling lends credibility to their idea that their vice is virtue. Similar to how the GOP calls themselves the party of "law and order".
I like the term vice signaling, which is what they do all the time. at least I get virtue signaling. but these people are like "hey look how terrible I am" and it's just baffling.
"vote with your wallet and you can affect a corporation!"
Also:
"Fuck you, I'm entitled to your participation (your data) or you're a virtue signaler leftist baby."
I wish I wasn't an atheist, at least I'd have some comfort in knowing pieces of shit get what they deserve. Instead they just become billionaires and live amazing lives.
I'm not "virtue signaling" I'm tired. I'm tired of the ads.
I'm tired of the algorithm intentionally fueling flame wars.
I'm tired of INESCAPABLE "meme pages," run by spam bots, that just recycle the same tired shit over and over and over again.
I'm tired of the THREE different video systems that are inexplicably not interoperable. Reels, Facebook Live, and video Instagram posts all showing up in my timeline but all are part of separate systems. Meanwhile, if I share a link to a YouTube video, it gets suppressed by the almighty algorithm. Because how dare I show my followers/friends something they'd might like to see if it takes their eyeballs away from Facebook.
Finally, I'm tired of companies selling people like me down the river to score political points with chuds.
I literally cannot stop getting "support our troops" or other "MAGA" style shit right now. Also random Zionist pages. I've never "liked" any of them, I've hit "hide posts like this" a million times, nothing fixes it. And if you actually tried to contradict people on those posts, I mean, the ones that get sent to you have 10,000 comments, you're just shouting into the void.
“Meta has us in a chokehold. They make money off our presence in order to continue to be in business and yet it’s too difficult for people to leave,” Makichen wrote.
Difficult? How? I'm pretty sure I still have an account on Facebook from it's early days, but I haven't logged in to it in more than a decade. Friends and family can reach me in other ways, like email or better yet a phone call.
They are talking about their business. The massage place I go to is primarily thru Facebook. They have their own site but it was easier to just request a appointment.
Many businesses have dead websites now, as all the visibility is just through Facebook and Google Maps.
It’s very different than Twitter, where most business use (outside of influencers and influence campaigns) amounts to status updates that can be given elsewhere.
He’s been an asshat at least as far back as when he was enrolled at Harvard. Facebook was originally called Facemash, a “hot or not” clone for guys at Harvard to rate the attractiveness of their female classmates (without consent).
I quit Crackbook a decade ago over the algorithm forcing shit at me I had no interest in.
That's when I learned what a dark pattern was. I started seeing it pop up nearly everywhere that used algorithms.
Did the same with Twatter a few years ago. Again, I was over being forced to see shit I had zero interest in. This time I removed my footprint, leaving a handful of posts.
No one noticed either time I'd left. (No one ever does. That's a whole other rant about the state of anti social media.)
Never used Threads. Won't even click on the ones that are shoved at me through Insta.
Kept Insta for patterns and recipes, and over time I've stopped engaging on the platform. It's just as bad as the others for the algorithm and ads. Staying is on me, I know. Sunk cost fallacy or whatever. I didn't want to lose my collection of patterns that exist no where else.
I started the process of removing what little remains of my presence on IG. Discovered I'm not allowed to remove likes 'to protect the community'. Deleting my own content bugs out often. Removing saved bookmarks bugs out often. No way to keep the videos I refer to often to make things.
Damned straight I mean it when I say I will cease using Meta products. I am tired of being told how to use something, or how I should think and what I should believe.
I would certainly check one out. Federated instances are a good start, being able to curate my own feeds and interests (tags being hijacked is a PITA) but I hold concern of the eventual crap creep.
I think I am in my Old Person Yells At Internet era.
I'm working on a decentralised (FOSS) sharing protocol and implementation. Some information here
Like have your protected free web page and share it, or make a chat program on top of it (demo exists for both).
I just ironed out some last showstoppers before Christmas, and I'll soon try to get it out for testing, will post on !tenfingers@lemmy.mindoki.com for the curious!
Zuckerberg reportedly decided to do away with censorship mechanisms at Meta after a seemingly innocuous photo that he posted on Facebook in November 2023 about the surgery that was performed on his left anterior cruciate ligament failed to go viral,
This is the same guy who has called people 'dumbasses' at one point for trusting him.
Which is it, Asspuckerberg? Is everyone a 'dumbass' for having joined you and your shitty platforms in the first place or is everyone 'virtue signaling' because they've finally grown tired of it? Sounds to me, one of these paths has the high road, so yes, I'll gladly do it in the name of virtue-signaling. A signaling of how that there's mountains of your bullshit that can't be withstood anymore.
Just like they have mine too. Because we are the odd ones out. Almost everyone else uses that crap. We get identified in photos someone else uploaded. Fingerprinted when we get to a friend's house and auto-join their WiFi. Buy from a business that hands out metrics for "analysis." Click on shared links that weren't stripped of referrer codes. All those tiny data points that mean nothing on their own but in aggregate let data brokers know us better than we know ourselves.
"Everyone is a psychopath like me therefore anything virtuous is disingenuous."
I kind of think a certain amount of money makes you... Inhuman for a lack of a better word. Not only not playing the same game as the rest of us, but so far removed that they don't remember the rules.
Like we're all a part of something together, but when you get to a certain point of wealth (or more likely in order to get to a certain point of wealth) the rest of humanity are just things that give you wealth and not beings such as yourself.
What Mark is really saying you will be back. if anyone is still on Facebook after all these years he is probably right. He also knows if anything that does take it out. He will just buy it up and once again those people will be back under meta's control. He has too much money. The only answer is to stop using identity based social media.
My queer friends have flooded away from FB after the change in moderation standards. There seems to be a critical mass now. I'm just a tad disappointed they went to Bluesky instead of following me to Mastodon.
Yeah that's my point if it gets critical mass that starts to impact Facebook he will just buy it. It's not the first time Jack Dorsey has sold out to a fascist asshat.
Well then I'm virtue signalling, fuckface. I deleted all the Meta platforms I used, save for my fake white supremacist Facebook account because I use that to tell the employers of Nazis that a Nazi works for them. I am done with my personal accounts though.
I never understood that phrase. If you admit there is virtue to your opponents actions isn't that just certifying you are wrong regardless of the opponents intentions?
No, it's saying they're doing something mostly superficial and useless because they think it will make people see them as virtuous, where they wouldn't have done it if it wasn't a highly visible act, not that the actions are actually virtuous. So like someone volunteers for one day for some charitable cause, but spends the whole time taking selfies and not actually helping much.
That said I'm not sure what the logic is that quitting facebook counts as this
Alright but the highly superficial act is seen as virtuous. The act we oppose when we use this phrase. That act. It is virtuous. Therefor we in this hypothetical stand against virtue and goodness.
It generally means that we don't believe they'd be taking that action if there weren't a camera rolling or trending hashtag to follow. It's not criticizing the actual action, but the context around the action.
We're agreeing that the individual act is virtuous. You're not understanding that complaints of virtue signaling are not criticizing the individual act. They're criticizing the unspoken lack of other acts.
An act being seen as virtuous doesn't mean it actually is. Or it could be only a little virtuous, but outweighed by how smug and obnoxious someone is being about it.
"gives more credibility"? Think about what consensuses various cultures through history and currently have arrived at about what is the right thing to do and who is worthy of admiration. Someone who assumes conformity = virtue would end up being pro slavery in most of those, public opinion on morality is wrong most of the time about most things, and pursuing it isn't the right thing to do at all, let alone the same thing as actually trying to be virtuous.
I look at history and I see countless peoples of all ages helping each other get by while individual opinions of fucking despots and warlords fuck it up for the rest of us.
Those guys also have an outsized influence over what someone would have to do to be seen as virtuous. The guy being pelted with rotten vegetables and publicly executed for opposing them? Not seen as virtuous. The guy running a church that does some good things but in a way that reinforces their power? Seen as virtuous.
Even if people are overall good, that doesn't mean they can translate that into successfully coordinating to come to correct collective agreement about complicated problems and be immune to elaborate efforts to distort their beliefs in particular directions. If you think, here is what people are saying about what I should do, so that must be an accurate expression of their combined good intentions, well no, it isn't, because that isn't something that is easily achieved by default.
He said that some users might leave as a form of virtue signaling, not that all who leave will be virtue signaling.
Have there been cases of community notes being ineffective or wrong? I assume that community notes probably have some kind of system that can be abused, but I haven't seen it happen.
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expatriado@lemmy.world · 180 pts · 1y
isn't virtue signaling doing something good but just for shows? so he is implying that quitting fb is a good thing to do
GuyDudeman@lemmy.world · 80 pts · 1y
Yes. But he’s so dumb he doesn’t realize it.
lurch@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 1y
to be fair, the lizard people don't have the concept of virtue
Hegar@fedia.io · 27 pts · 1y
When someone does something you don't want them to do, but the reason you don't want them to do it is completely invalid - that's when you call it virtue signalling.
Rozauhtuno@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 11 pts · 1y
Can't he just call it woke like all the other right-wingers?
harrys_balzac@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 1y
He's still pretending that he isn't.
Papacito8400@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 1y
Making a unnecessary public statement that they are quitting prob is, I don't know.
grysbok@lemmy.sdf.org · 5 pts · 1y
Nah, that post helps their followers know where to find them.
atzanteol@sh.itjust.works · 91 pts · 1y
He looks more and more like a cult leader every day.
undefined@lemmy.hogru.ch · 65 pts · 1y
I recently commented somewhere that the more Elon Musk leans into MAGA the more he looks like a Sith lord and the affliction appears to be hitting Mark Zuckerberg too lately.
dhork@lemmy.world · 44 pts · 1y
Always two there are. The Master, and the Apprentice.
Peppycito@sh.itjust.works · 10 pts · 1y
I was thinking he looks like the bad guy in Dune in that milk bath.
thisbenzingring@lemmy.sdf.org · 12 pts · 1y
Baron Harkonnen?
Peppycito@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 1y
Ya! That guy.
TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world · 71 pts · 1y
I signaled that virtue a very, very long time ago.
Technus@lemmy.zip · 23 pts · 1y
I've been boycotting Facebook since before it was cool.
GuyDudeman@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 1y
I did mine like ten years ago.
veganpizza69@lemmy.world · 65 pts · 1y
Virtue signaling is a good thing. The problem is lack of virtue, not presence of signals.
phughes@lemmy.ca · 27 pts · 1y
What I love most about the phrase "virtue signaling" is that when people accuse you of it they are themselves virtue signaling.
AutistoMephisto@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1y
I want to agree, but terms like "vice" and "virtue" are subjective. To label what Cuckerberg and his ilk are doing as "virtue" signaling lends credibility to their idea that their vice is virtue. Similar to how the GOP calls themselves the party of "law and order".
phughes@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 1y
I don't think of it in terms of the action being virtuous, but that they are signaling what they think is virtuous.
HellsBelle@sh.itjust.works · 61 pts · 1y
pyre@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 1y
I like the term vice signaling, which is what they do all the time. at least I get virtue signaling. but these people are like "hey look how terrible I am" and it's just baffling.
MajorHavoc@programming.dev · 48 pts · 1y
It's weird to realize I would wait in line for like 45 minutes up piss on Zuckerberg's grave, should the legal opportunity ever arise.
Just a thought for his next of kin to consider, in due time...
RustyShackleford@literature.cafe · 11 pts · 1y
And how much extra to take a shit on it?
Asafum@feddit.nl · 48 pts · 1y
"vote with your wallet and you can affect a corporation!"
Also:
"Fuck you, I'm entitled to your participation (your data) or you're a virtue signaler leftist baby."
I wish I wasn't an atheist, at least I'd have some comfort in knowing pieces of shit get what they deserve. Instead they just become billionaires and live amazing lives.
TrueStoryBob@lemmy.world · 45 pts · 1y
I'm not "virtue signaling" I'm tired. I'm tired of the ads.
I'm tired of the algorithm intentionally fueling flame wars.
I'm tired of INESCAPABLE "meme pages," run by spam bots, that just recycle the same tired shit over and over and over again.
I'm tired of the THREE different video systems that are inexplicably not interoperable. Reels, Facebook Live, and video Instagram posts all showing up in my timeline but all are part of separate systems. Meanwhile, if I share a link to a YouTube video, it gets suppressed by the almighty algorithm. Because how dare I show my followers/friends something they'd might like to see if it takes their eyeballs away from Facebook.
Finally, I'm tired of companies selling people like me down the river to score political points with chuds.
dx1@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 1y
I literally cannot stop getting "support our troops" or other "MAGA" style shit right now. Also random Zionist pages. I've never "liked" any of them, I've hit "hide posts like this" a million times, nothing fixes it. And if you actually tried to contradict people on those posts, I mean, the ones that get sent to you have 10,000 comments, you're just shouting into the void.
Cocodapuf@lemmy.world · 43 pts · 1y
Fuck you Zuck. Leaving Facebook has been great for me, it's not virtue signaling, it's a quality of life improvement.
Ass.
VeganCheesecake@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 40 pts · 1y
Says the guy who suddenly started hitting all the typical shithead slogans and talking point as soon as it seemed beneficial.
Obi@sopuli.xyz · 13 pts · 1y
Right? Wasn't he super busy with "de-lizarding" and trying to be the cool friendly billionaire? That took a turn quickly lmao.
limelight79@lemm.ee · 3 pts · 1y
"It seems free speech is back on the menu." - paraphrased, but that's basically what he said. The Democrats were keeping free speech down!
Muffi@programming.dev · 37 pts · 1y
It's called being a political consumer, you dipshit
StopTouchingYourPhone@lemmy.world · 35 pts · 1y
I'm just trying to save his neutered business from my feminine energy.
fakeman_pretendname@feddit.uk · 33 pts · 1y
Lemmy user says anyone who doesn't quit being CEO of Meta is 'guillotine signaling'
StrawberryPigtails@lemmy.sdf.org · 32 pts · 1y
Difficult? How? I'm pretty sure I still have an account on Facebook from it's early days, but I haven't logged in to it in more than a decade. Friends and family can reach me in other ways, like email or better yet a phone call.
femtech@midwest.social · 23 pts · 1y
They are talking about their business. The massage place I go to is primarily thru Facebook. They have their own site but it was easier to just request a appointment.
brucethemoose@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 1y
Many businesses have dead websites now, as all the visibility is just through Facebook and Google Maps.
It’s very different than Twitter, where most business use (outside of influencers and influence campaigns) amounts to status updates that can be given elsewhere.
oo1@lemmings.world · 7 pts · 1y
Stan showed how in southpark s14e04. It was very easy.
Zpiritual@lemm.ee · 32 pts · 1y
Looks like he is starting to follow Elon down into the rabbit hole off asshattery.
chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 1y
He’s been an asshat at least as far back as when he was enrolled at Harvard. Facebook was originally called Facemash, a “hot or not” clone for guys at Harvard to rate the attractiveness of their female classmates (without consent).
LowtierComputer@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 1y
Starting to? He's been on that road at least as long as musk of not before.
dx1@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1y
Yeah, Zuckerberg is a leading alt-right figure since, like, what is it, January 15th now, so I think that was January 11th.
electric_nan@lemmy.ml · 30 pts · 1y
The phrase "virtue signalling" is itself a form of virtue signalling 😏
samus12345@lemm.ee · 8 pts · 1y
electric_nan@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 1y
My app is failing to load this media :(
samus12345@lemm.ee · 12 pts · 1y
It's a scene from The Simpsons with Lisa telling Linguo, "'Sentence fragment' is also a sentence fragment."
TheBat@lemmy.world · 30 pts · 1y
billwashere@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 1y
Ostrich fucker. Allegedly….
ladytaters@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 1y
I heard it was a sick ostrich.
StopTouchingYourPhone@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1y
Justice for Ollie! That poor fucking bird...
UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 1y
Both?
GissaMittJobb@lemmy.ml · 29 pts · 1y
What a fucking loser.
chiliedogg@lemmy.world · 28 pts · 1y
If quitting your site can be taken as virtue signaling against misinformation and bigotry, your site may have some systemic issues.
DudeImMacGyver@kbin.earth · 26 pts · 1y
I don't know, sounds like he's just virtue signaling to me.
Dvixen@lemmy.world · 25 pts · 1y
It's not virtue signalling if you truly mean it.
Our feeds should be our own.
I quit Crackbook a decade ago over the algorithm forcing shit at me I had no interest in.
That's when I learned what a dark pattern was. I started seeing it pop up nearly everywhere that used algorithms.
Did the same with Twatter a few years ago. Again, I was over being forced to see shit I had zero interest in. This time I removed my footprint, leaving a handful of posts.
No one noticed either time I'd left. (No one ever does. That's a whole other rant about the state of anti social media.)
Never used Threads. Won't even click on the ones that are shoved at me through Insta.
Kept Insta for patterns and recipes, and over time I've stopped engaging on the platform. It's just as bad as the others for the algorithm and ads. Staying is on me, I know. Sunk cost fallacy or whatever. I didn't want to lose my collection of patterns that exist no where else.
I started the process of removing what little remains of my presence on IG. Discovered I'm not allowed to remove likes 'to protect the community'. Deleting my own content bugs out often. Removing saved bookmarks bugs out often. No way to keep the videos I refer to often to make things.
Damned straight I mean it when I say I will cease using Meta products. I am tired of being told how to use something, or how I should think and what I should believe.
Zuck can fuck all the way off.
Valmond@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1y
What about a self driven network, would you be interested in that?
Dvixen@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 1y
I would certainly check one out. Federated instances are a good start, being able to curate my own feeds and interests (tags being hijacked is a PITA) but I hold concern of the eventual crap creep.
I think I am in my Old Person Yells At Internet era.
Valmond@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1y
I'm working on a decentralised (FOSS) sharing protocol and implementation. Some information here
Like have your protected free web page and share it, or make a chat program on top of it (demo exists for both).
I just ironed out some last showstoppers before Christmas, and I'll soon try to get it out for testing, will post on !tenfingers@lemmy.mindoki.com for the curious!
theacharnian@lemmy.ca · 24 pts · 1y
southsamurai@sh.itjust.works · 24 pts · 1y
I'll be glad to signal my foot up his ass
neuroneiro@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 1y
Wait until Ouch My Balls is over
UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 1y
"Uffdah My Ass"
lurklurk@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 1y
pathetic
naught101@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 1y
I never saw a post from him on Facebook, I was wondering if he even posted..
nomy@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 1y
Fucking dork probably thinks people using his social media site means they care about him.
Half the grandparents in Facebook probably don't even know his name.
kbal@fedia.io · 22 pts · 1y
Sorry Zuck, but "virtue" is not the message all those people making hand gestures at you are trying to signal.
pyre@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 1y
sounds like he recently received a magadouche orientation and is going through the lexicon
Soulifix@kbin.melroy.org · 21 pts · 1y
This is the same guy who has called people 'dumbasses' at one point for trusting him.
Which is it, Asspuckerberg? Is everyone a 'dumbass' for having joined you and your shitty platforms in the first place or is everyone 'virtue signaling' because they've finally grown tired of it? Sounds to me, one of these paths has the high road, so yes, I'll gladly do it in the name of virtue-signaling. A signaling of how that there's mountains of your bullshit that can't be withstood anymore.
Snowpix@lemmy.ca · 14 pts · 1y
Not just dumbass. He called them "dumb fucks" for trusting him and his site.
Vaggumon@lemm.ee · 20 pts · 1y
Well then, since 2016 I've been a Virtue signaling mother fucker. Fuck Zuck!
theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 1y
jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 1y
His AI is picking from random internet phrases to see if it unlocks a reward function.
ikidd@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 1y
Guess I was "virtue signalling" back before the term was even coined.
FuglyDuck@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 1y
I wonder what he would say about me never having used Facebook. or any of his other "services"?
MelodiousFunk@slrpnk.net · 6 pts · 1y
"We have your data anyway, sucks to suck."
Just like they have mine too. Because we are the odd ones out. Almost everyone else uses that crap. We get identified in photos someone else uploaded. Fingerprinted when we get to a friend's house and auto-join their WiFi. Buy from a business that hands out metrics for "analysis." Click on shared links that weren't stripped of referrer codes. All those tiny data points that mean nothing on their own but in aggregate let data brokers know us better than we know ourselves.
I hate this fucking timeline.
abbiistabbii@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 17 pts · 1y
Or it could be your social media sites are full of death of the internet AI garbage and bullshit.
ristoril_zip@lemmy.zip · 15 pts · 1y
so he admits it's virtuous... just that he thinks some people are doing it disingenuously...?
BeMoreCareful@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 1y
"Everyone is a psychopath like me therefore anything virtuous is disingenuous."
I kind of think a certain amount of money makes you... Inhuman for a lack of a better word. Not only not playing the same game as the rest of us, but so far removed that they don't remember the rules.
Like we're all a part of something together, but when you get to a certain point of wealth (or more likely in order to get to a certain point of wealth) the rest of humanity are just things that give you wealth and not beings such as yourself.
ristoril_zip@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 1y
https://youtu.be/IP2EKTCngiM
Are Rich People OK?
WrenFeathers@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 1y
callyral@pawb.social · 14 pts · 1y
I wish I could quit Whatsapp but my fucking country (Brazil) depends on it for everything
LiveLM@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 1y
Xandão salva nois pfv
sibannac@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 1y
Jokes on him, I quit before it was Meta.
Etterra@discuss.online · 3 pts · 1y
I quit in 2016. Guess why!
Zero22xx@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 1y
As opposed to signalling that you have none.
bblkargonaut@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 1y
Why would anyone quit adult daycare? Unless they are in the content moderation mines in Africa getting ptsd from seeing the horrors of humanity.
ZeroCool@slrpnk.net · 12 pts · 1y
Mark Zuckerberg is a dork.
pfr@lemmy.sdf.org · 7 pts · 1y
I quit Facebook and Instagram years ago, long before it was called Meta. Fuck that goon.
SwingingTheLamp@midwest.social · 12 pts · 1y
Ah, so he admits that it is virtuous!
Bronzebeard@lemm.ee · 11 pts · 1y
He whines, signalling his "virtues"
lordnikon@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 1y
What Mark is really saying you will be back. if anyone is still on Facebook after all these years he is probably right. He also knows if anything that does take it out. He will just buy it up and once again those people will be back under meta's control. He has too much money. The only answer is to stop using identity based social media.
RQG@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 1y
My mom moved away from meta because of this asshat. It seems now everything is possible. She went from WhatsApp to signal and Facebook to Bluesky.
lordnikon@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 1y
Good for her I'm glad one person got away
RQG@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 1y
Me too. But I'm mostly surprised.
db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 8 pts · 1y
That's the beauty of the fediverse. It cannot be bought anymore than someone can buy "the internet".
grysbok@lemmy.sdf.org · 2 pts · 1y
My queer friends have flooded away from FB after the change in moderation standards. There seems to be a critical mass now. I'm just a tad disappointed they went to Bluesky instead of following me to Mastodon.
lordnikon@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1y
Yeah that's my point if it gets critical mass that starts to impact Facebook he will just buy it. It's not the first time Jack Dorsey has sold out to a fascist asshat.
Yerbouti@sh.itjust.works · 10 pts · 1y
Suck my French-canadian balls Mark. Actually nevermind, just get fucked .
Noedel@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 1y
He'll zuck em
tenchiken@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 10 pts · 1y
lol
Eat turds Zuck
Kolanaki@yiffit.net · 9 pts · 1y
Even if they are, they still have fucking virtues, unlike your robotic ass, Zuck.
LostWanderer@lemmynsfw.com · 9 pts · 1y
ROFL I’m signaling the virtue of my privacy kept safe by escaping Meta and not being on a platform hosted by a deranged billionaire. 🤣
BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 1y
Well then I'm virtue signalling, fuckface. I deleted all the Meta platforms I used, save for my fake white supremacist Facebook account because I use that to tell the employers of Nazis that a Nazi works for them. I am done with my personal accounts though.
watson387@sopuli.xyz · 8 pts · 1y
watson387 says Mark Zuckerberg can 'go fuck himself'.
AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip · 8 pts · 1y
Yes, now tell me the problem with that
PanArab@lemm.ee · 7 pts · 1y
Yes, we are. You are still losing users.
nick@midwest.social · 7 pts · 1y
Someone needs to contraption this fucking guy asap
splonglo@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 1y
Man, Zuck the cuck Fuckerberg is really virtue signalling saying something like that damn
Thcdenton@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 1y
I quit facebook during the obama administration lol
eestileib@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 1y
You know, some people actually try to be good people.
Fuckerberg.
finitebanjo@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 1y
I never understood that phrase. If you admit there is virtue to your opponents actions isn't that just certifying you are wrong regardless of the opponents intentions?
chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 12 pts · 1y
No, it's saying they're doing something mostly superficial and useless because they think it will make people see them as virtuous, where they wouldn't have done it if it wasn't a highly visible act, not that the actions are actually virtuous. So like someone volunteers for one day for some charitable cause, but spends the whole time taking selfies and not actually helping much.
That said I'm not sure what the logic is that quitting facebook counts as this
finitebanjo@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1y
Alright but the highly superficial act is seen as virtuous. The act we oppose when we use this phrase. That act. It is virtuous. Therefor we in this hypothetical stand against virtue and goodness.
PumaStoleMyBluff@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1y
It generally means that we don't believe they'd be taking that action if there weren't a camera rolling or trending hashtag to follow. It's not criticizing the actual action, but the context around the action.
finitebanjo@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 1y
Yeah cool but that doesnt argue any of my points whatsoever.
PumaStoleMyBluff@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1y
We're agreeing that the individual act is virtuous. You're not understanding that complaints of virtue signaling are not criticizing the individual act. They're criticizing the unspoken lack of other acts.
finitebanjo@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 1y
Yeah cool cool cool, its an admission to fault to use the term we agree.
PumaStoleMyBluff@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1y
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chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 1y
An act being seen as virtuous doesn't mean it actually is. Or it could be only a little virtuous, but outweighed by how smug and obnoxious someone is being about it.
finitebanjo@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1y
It being seen as virtuous gives more credibility than an individual opinion, so yeah.
chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 1y
"gives more credibility"? Think about what consensuses various cultures through history and currently have arrived at about what is the right thing to do and who is worthy of admiration. Someone who assumes conformity = virtue would end up being pro slavery in most of those, public opinion on morality is wrong most of the time about most things, and pursuing it isn't the right thing to do at all, let alone the same thing as actually trying to be virtuous.
finitebanjo@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1y
I look at history and I see countless peoples of all ages helping each other get by while individual opinions of fucking despots and warlords fuck it up for the rest of us.
chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 0 pts · 1y
Those guys also have an outsized influence over what someone would have to do to be seen as virtuous. The guy being pelted with rotten vegetables and publicly executed for opposing them? Not seen as virtuous. The guy running a church that does some good things but in a way that reinforces their power? Seen as virtuous.
Even if people are overall good, that doesn't mean they can translate that into successfully coordinating to come to correct collective agreement about complicated problems and be immune to elaborate efforts to distort their beliefs in particular directions. If you think, here is what people are saying about what I should do, so that must be an accurate expression of their combined good intentions, well no, it isn't, because that isn't something that is easily achieved by default.
possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 1y
I'm not sure if this headline meets the criteria for not the onion.
Quadhammer@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1y
My virtues are signaling over here
TypicalHog@lemm.ee · 1 pts · 1y
Some def are. Some even started using hashtags to signal, lol.
TheKMAP@lemmynsfw.com · 0 pts · 1y
He said that some users might leave as a form of virtue signaling, not that all who leave will be virtue signaling.
Have there been cases of community notes being ineffective or wrong? I assume that community notes probably have some kind of system that can be abused, but I haven't seen it happen.
Technus@lemmy.zip · 0 pts · 1y