How? Why? This could have incredibly dangerous consequences. Didn't Trump send the national guard after a dodge employee was beaten up? Only time how he will exploit this situation for further gaining power.
Seriously, I'm shocked how nonchalant people are reacting. Further escalation of political violence is extremely dangerous for the left at the moment and could be extremely lucrative for the Trump regime, which is constantly testing the water on how far they can go in terms of seizing power.
Don't forget, it was also an assassination that was the trigger for the Kristallnacht. You hopefully are not quite at that stage, but it is events like this that moves you closer..
If it wasn't this it was going to be something else. At least this definitely solved a problem permanently.
A repeat of something like the doge employee assult could fix some issues, but probably only temporarily and would ultimately have the same end result.
If there's anything to learn from Kristallnacht is that there was never going to be enough capitulation and appeasement that would've prevented it and that appeasement ultimately works to multiply the harms done.
If it wasn't this it was going to be something else.
Trump isn't invincible. Stuff like the Epstein thing actually seemed to hurt him. This is a very convenient distraction.
At least this definitely solved a problem permanently.
What problem is solved? Kirk was a very effective propagator, especially with younger people, but he's not irreplaceable. And his death is already being used as very effective propaganda.
A repeat of something like the doge employee assult could fix some issues
Again, what issue is solved? I don't understand what you think this achieves. The main effect stuff like this has is giving the right effective propaganda material and escalating violence. And the left is not in a position where escalating violence benefits the US, quite the opposite.
there was never going to be enough capitulation
I do not suggest capitulation or appeasement.. But in order to resist effectively, you need stronger organization. This makes organizing way more difficult.
Stuff like the Epstein thing actually seemed to hurt him.
The "Epstein thing" is never going to have reprecussions within Trump's natural lifespan. Those "50yr birthday cards" that are getting showcased are over 24 years old at this point. Nearly twice the age of some of the alleged victims. Several of who have been saying, with signed testimonials and everything that Trump was there.
What evidence exactly do you want that you think would have any effect? From my perspective even if there was an explicit video of him unambiguously raping a child his supporters would claim it was a "deep fake" and anyone who viewed, distributed, or acknowledged it's existence it would be serving 20yrs to life for CP possession. It might be acknowledged as fact 50 years afterwards, but by that point it really doesn't matter.
he's not irreplaceable
Nobody is perfectly replaceable. But I understand what you're saying and I unfortunately don't think your wrong, but it will take a lot of time and significant financial investment for someone else to fill that role. It's how the state has kept "leftist" orgs down in the US for at least 50+ years.
There has never been another Fred Hampton, there will never be another Charlie Kirk.
You need stronger organization. This makes organizing way more difficult.
I agree fully on needing stronger organization, however the biggest issue I have found in most leftist organizing is there is little to no understanding or willingness for any form of self defense. I don't see how this affects existing organizing methods, tactics, etc. Can you expand on what you're seeing here?
The "Epstein thing" is never going to have reprecussions
It's hard to tell, but it has disillusioned at least some of his supporters, showing that it is possible, at least for some people, to snap out of the cult. Obviously some will always support him, no matter what.
it will take a lot of time and significant financial investment for someone else to fill that role.
I don't think it will hurt them in any significant way, maybe even the opposite. Kirk is still incredibly useful as a martyr figure and it's not like he had much of an operational role. He was a propagandist and he will still be used to spread far right propaganda, even in his death.
I understand that he was incredibly influencial, but that's mostly because he was a pioneer of the modern right who made the right wing cool to a younger audience, but his methods have since been adapted by many other right wing propagandists.
Or can you explain why you think his assasination will weaken or harm the right? Because I don't see it.
it has disillusioned at least some of his supporters
Has it? You added a lot of weasel words to that claim there. If so what evidence specifically disillusioned them? Again from my perspective I hear a lot of "this will surely be the end of him" and then that predicted "end" never comes. My understanding is that disconnect comes from an inaccurate belief that there is equality under law, equality in reporting, etc.
Kirk is still incredibly useful as a martyr figure
Probably, but if martyr figures were that powerful then wouldn't it be useful for 'the left' to also start martyring themselves? Martyrs can only ever do passive propoganda, Charlie was doing active propoganda and ultimately I don't think Martyrs tend to be all that useful.
why you think his assasination will weaken or harm the right
one less active propagandist
power vacuum and loss of leadership within turning point
chilling effect on this sort of rhetoric
impulsive and poorly planned 'retaliations' causing further damage
The point is that Trumps image can change, even for his core supporters.. I obviously have no clue exactly how many of his supporters were dissilusioned, which is why I will use "weasel words" (aka estimates and guesses)..
I hear a lot of "this will surely be the end of him"
I doubt that there will ever be the "one thing" where everyone suddenly realises they have been duked.. Obviously that's not how it works..
if martyr figures were that powerful
Ever heard of George Floyd? Trayvon Martin? Eric Garner? Those people weren't even influencial to the left wing as a movement when they were alive (unlike Kirk), yet they still fueled one of the biggest movements in recent years.
start martyring themselves?
Some people do that, but in order to be powerful, they have to have been killed by the enemy you want to mobilize people against.. Which is why the right will do whatever they can to blame this on "the radical left", no matter what.
I don't think Martyrs tend to be all that useful.
I think you are incredibly wrong on this point.
one less active propagandist
Pretty insignificant considering the countless other right wing propagandists out there who do pretty much the same thing. Also, events like this have a tendency to inspire more propagandists and radicalize people.
power vacuum and loss of leadership within turning point
Possible, but again, tp is not THAT important. They have turned a significant part of the youth and have a likeminded regime in power that continues to concolidate power. And they can an will use this event to consolidate more.
chilling effect on this sort of rhetoric
That's not gonna happen..
impulsive and poorly planned 'retaliations' causing further damage
Damage to whom? You don't know because the potential results are unpredictable.
Nope. You don't get schadenfreude when you are defending yourself from someone determined to kill you, your family, and everyone who isn't openly nazi.
More "Whew, that nazi almost killed Indiana Jones before tripping and getting run over by a tank!" and Less "I'm glad you got hurt by the door you refuse to fix."
These guys think they can talk all day about how they are going to make other's lives worse, often those with lesser means, and they think they should enjoy safety themselves at all times. This while caring so little for others who are victims of gun violence, offering up weak thoughts and prayers and no action. Well, today he got to live the life he always wanted, he just wanted it for others.
He was literally in the middle of defending his stance on why trans people are bad, and dodging questions on gun violence, when this happened. Bizarre.
I certainly didn't watch anything so ghoulish, but the transcript in reporting was him midway through a Q&A section with someone challenging his stance on the recent trans school shooting, and making implications about him taking a hardline stance on that whilst taking no stance on others. His answer to "how many school shootings in the last 10 years have involved a trans person?" was "too many"... the most eye rollingly evasive answer possible.
Look at some of the bastards talking about him. I'm sure inside they're fucking scared, trying to guess how much they'll have to spend for security and start having coffee with Erik Prince or some thuggery.
"America has lost one of its greatest champions," White House Deputy Chief of Staff Stephen Miller wrote on X. "All of us must now dedicate ourselves to defeating the evil that stole Charlie from this world."
Laura Loomer, a MAGA loyalist who has Trump's ear, called for "cracking down on the Left with the full force of the government. Every single Left wing group that funds violent protests needs to be shut down and prosecuted. No mercy."
Elon Musk, the X platform’s billionaire owner, was even more blunt. “The Left is the party of murder,” he wrote.
Jesus fucking Christ, these people are capable massive cognitive dissonance. It's not surprising as it's right out of the fascist playbook.
It was a truly wildly impressive shot. One single shot taken over 200 yards away through a very limited angle that made an instant-kill hit, and no suspect in custody? Hmm...
It is extremely convenient that this happened immediately after the publication of the Epstein birthday book.
Quite true... trumps already really good at distracting from his damning significant crimes with other crimes. I can't think of a week in 2025 where there's not something significant enough that they'd be looking for a distraction.
Like Trump needs distraction. He could breathe slightly funny or his hands could turn a different shade of purple and the news circus would move on from the birthday book tomorrow, which doesn't even confirm anything we didn't already know.
Killer was well-prepared and a good shot, unlike the weirdo who tried to take out Trump. The only unusual thing is that people who have the mental acumen to actually pull something like this off and not get caught immediately tend to be mentally stable enough not to attempt something like that.
But times are a-changing and political violence in the US is going to get a lot worse before it gets better. People forgot that the Rule of Law and Social Contract were meant not just as ways to prevent conservatives from implementing ethnic/religious fundamentalism, but also to prevent this exact kind of thing happening. Trump is at the helm of a government he seemingly distrusts, whose own rules he constantly breaks or ignores, whose institutions he actively sabotages, whose fundamental principles he spits on. As a consequence trust in all three branches of government is crumbling, which inevitably legitimizes political violence as a last resort vector of change.
I wouldn't necessarily say that. I used to shoot competitively (service rifle across-the-course), and we'd shoot 200 yards off-hand. We don't know if the shooter was prone, sitting/kneeling, or standing. If they were standing (because they wanted to beat a quick retreat) then it was a hell of a shot. Honestly, even if they were prone it's not bad. Given the nature of the shooting, it appears that the shooter didn't want collateral damage. There were a LOT of people there, and that pressure would make any shot harder.
Standing offhand at 200 yards on a non moving target would be a pretty good shot, especially with no warm up and nerves, but I'm assuming the shooter was prone or resting the rifle on something.
It's just tons of people in here have been blasting that this is some sort of big distance for the shot, when it really isn't. Most anyone could shoot accurately enough at that distance with a small bit of practice.
From the video on the roof he looks prone and using the edge of the roof as a "tripod". I also believe he was going for a head shot but didn't calculate bullet drop properly. This is all speculation taken out of my ass of course.
Huh?? I've seen a lot of videos from the event already and none show anything like a shooter from the crowd. Post a link, otherwise this is total bullshit
EDIT:
Charlie Kirk shooter wore dark clothing, fired from a roof on campus some distance away, Utah authorities say
I don't know, 3" (or so) grouping at 200 yards under those conditions is objectively hard. I don't know anyone in my personal life that I think could make that shot
First of all; 200 yards with a rifle is a stupid easy shot. Rifles are zeroed in around 200 yards. A 20x scope would make the target look just 10 yards away.
Secondly; You ever hear of anyone shooting for the neck intentionally? No one would. The neck was an accident. They were aiming for the head or the chest and missed.
Doesn't need to be a 3" grouping. Could have just gotten lucky. Could have been aiming center mass or for the head and wildly missed. But also he wasn't moving and 200 yards with a properly sighted in scope isn't too different from 100 yards and a properly sighted in scope.
Yeah, my guess was actually that they were aiming for his head (easier to get a clear shot at through a crowd, because center mass would likely be obscured by other people around him) and missed.
If you know fewer that 350 people well enough to know how well they shoot... then you might still know someone good enough to make the shot but don't know that they are.
I wouldn't be surprised if it was someone just more right wing than him who took issue with "softer" stances, like not murdering trans people in the streets and only criminalising them.
Multiple government leaders found out they'd been fired via Twitter in the first round of this administration. TACO is a coward and really doesn't give a fuck about people so he just does whatever is easiest, including destroying careers/lives by randomly shitting things out on the Web.
I normally don't watch gore, but I made an exception because Kirk condoned guns so much. Still, that juxtaposition of the shot to the neck was quite shocking.
Bruh... We are in for an explosion of political violence... Only difference between now and the past is white wealthy men are the targets. Watching them freak out when they are gunned down on a random Wednesday is laughable. Welcome to your average black Americans reality. Police killings are political violence but no one with actual power ever gave a shit.
I think we've been in one. After Trump got shot, I predicted that political assassination would be the "cool thing" among the stochastic terrorism types, and that seems to have been true, between Luigi, That guy who killed those legislators in MN, and now this.
I would like to note that Luigi Mangione has not been convicted of anything and it has not been proven that he was the one who killed the UnitedHealthCare CEO, there was also a lot of improper police conduct in relation to his arrest.
Only the US court system needs to wait for a trial to find Luigi Mangione guilty. The general public is not required to wait for his trial to express their opinion of his guilt.
Just like "Elections are the pressure release of an unhappy populace" trust in rule of law helps prevent people from taking things into their own hands.
Police protection of right wing shotters, ignoring due process, the supreme court saying it's ok to break the law if you are Trump. People have lost faith in the instutions of law and are taking things into their own hands.
This is the result of the Republicans dismantling the norms of government and rule of law.
No, we are the targets now. This was the perfect excuse to increase militarization against the citizenry and distract from the Epstein Files. Whoever did this is a short-sighted idiot.
Now they'll accelerate the pace since the public will be less critical of such action, and 5 raging Nazis will take his place on social media. Unlike violent MAGA cultists, you won't be recruiting very many progressives who would consider right-wingers with social media accounts to be worthy of a death sentence.
On Gab Social they're already saying that there's no point in being a "moderate" might as well go full-fash and arm to the teeth. If the left will kill a conservative jew-lover like Charlie Kirk, then the bar for a justified shooting is very low.
I wouldn't murder anyone but I'm certainty not going to be upset when a shit gibbon gets his neck blown out.
You sound like the kind of person that if someone was getting attacked in the street, you would grab their arms to stop them defending themselves while saying to them that they need to be the better person.
I would happily kick you in the face if that were ever the case
That's such a stupid example. This isn't a Luigi moment, Charlie Kirk was not effectively ordering people's deaths. There are indeed people I would not feel bad about, but congrats on making most normal Americans (outside of this little terrorist bubble) feeling bad for Charlie Kirk and his now-fatherless children because some random guy didn't like what they heard on the Internet. I'm sure MAGA will resign any day now and install Bernie Sanders as president because your threw a murderous hissy fit. 👍
And i think MAGA is responsible for a large number of shootings so I guess im a clear target for some right-wing nutjob to leave my child fatherless too now.
Charlie Kirk was spreading horrible messaging to the youth of America. He spread racism, homophobia, sexism, and hatred. This is closer to a Luigi moment than anything else. You don't know what you are talking about.
Ps willing to bet it was the neo Nazies he was arguing with on Twitter with the week before. He he was figuratively telling them that their obvert racism was bad for business and the conservative agenda. And they said he's a jew simp and threatened him.
How about you take those pearls you are clutching so tightly, and go tell every millionaire, executive, board members, police/ice agent, and nazi this warning. Because apparently you nor them have ever picked up a history book. This only ends one way unless they fuck off to their private sex islands leaving all their wealth. That or them and/or their offspring's remains will be strung up in the streets as a cautionary tail. I'm not threatening anyone. It's no different that 2+2=4. Authoritarianism plus inequality equals a lot of dead people.
Violent revolution requires hearts and minds, it requires a people so oppressed and wronged that a popular uprising is possible. Unfortunately that means you have to suffer to some degree before that becomes a viable path to retaking power. You can't skip past it, because then you are standing by yourself looking like nothing more than one of the theoretical leftist terrorists radicals they keep talking about, which i always found ridiculous until i saw the reactions here.
This isn't some Luigi moment, he wasn't sitting around deciding who lives and dies, he was just a right-winger with a social media presence, and i happen to follow a lot of left-wingers with a social media presence who I'd prefer to not see targeted for murder by a bunch of crazies just because they don't like what they hear.
Revolution is going to require you to step out of your bubble and understand that most Americans, including progressives like me who didn't even vote for Clinton because they were not progressive enough, will find your reaction appalling and will never endorse this sort of depravity. Do something more productive with those emotions, understand that good things do not come quickly or easily, and that this has not achieved a single good thing.
Uhhhhhhh popular up rising. Have you just been online? Have you just been watching "main stream" news? Has your life been that comfortable?
For the last time no one is dumb to what you are trying to say. Say I'm in a bubble? Bruh... Go spend your energy somewhere else on individuals that actually need to hear your words. Because we know. There's more than enough popular connections going on. You just aren't connected to your community. My community is gearing up for tougher times than we are currently dealing with. So go on. Keep acting like your bubble is a litmus test for whats going on. You are obviously overlooking tons of organizing and ground work going on in communities different than your own.
Go spend your flowery words on those that actually need it. Because many demographics and communities are organized and are ready for what comes next.
Take a break from the internet and go discuss with your community about your proposal of shooting people in the neck when they say shit you don't like and have a big enough view count and see how much help they think you are to their problems.
If you were so sure it was Nazi you shouldn't have lead with "Only difference between now and the past is white wealthy men are the targets. Watching them freak out when they are gunned down on a random Wednesday is laughable." and then spent the whole arguing why this murder is justified.
That's was my point: that thinking is how Nazis acts, not progressives, and that by applauding this you are making it easier for people to claim the left are the violent ones and playing right into their propaganda.
The fact that you are relieved it was potentially Nazis tells me that deep down inside you know this was bad for business, so thank you for spending another toilet break to follow up on this.
Lol yes I stand by every word. Want to know my next prediction? They killed him because the wanted to start a race war. In a just world Kirk would have never have been platformed and given millions to lie about other races, ethnicities, gender, and religion. In a just world Kirk would have been thrown in jail for inciting violence. His death was injustice. But because of his actions and others just like him and yourself his outcome was inevitable. It is celebrated, yes. Ridiculed, yes. Hell, how murder was so predictable Kirk was wearing a bullet proof vest. He should have taken all the hints and examples from his past and put more love and acceptance of into the world. Then maybe he would have never would have caught the eye of those willing to do violence... Remember 2+2=4? And look at all the people just like him and yourself. Backflips to save face? Or Idk what is going through yalls head. Actions have consequences. His actions equaled his death. Because once you throw your lot in with everything modern day conservatives, capitalist, neo-liberals, and bigots beliefs you only have yourself to blame when those same ideals are focused on yourself for even a second is just a fraction of the pain he put out into the world. If it didn't happen to him last Wednesday or within his lifetime, it was going to happen to anyone who picked up his fight. 2+2=4. Keep acting like the equation is the problem and we'll never advance as a species.
And yes. Squeezed a few out while typing this. Because you and people like you are the problem. And I truly hope you wake up and influence those who actually are going to end up just like Kirk. It's going to happen. If not tomorrow, definitely/predictably/ inevitably this is the outcome. You need to change if you want to save yourself or those that want to follow you.
My final question and comment to you is, will you? I did. The black and brown communities did. Women did. Poor communities did. Hell even children have. Why not you?
This was the perfect excuse to increase militarization against the citizenry and distract from the Epstein Files. Whoever did this is a short-sighted idiot.
For all we know, Kirk was a sacrificial lamb, and this is all part of the plan.
I am unironically concerned about the motives of his assassin. Every time we see something like this, I get this sinking feeling like we've just seen the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand.
But then, we keep discovering that they're right-wing nutjobs, and so the people who are praying for a civil war have to gnash their teeth and pretend like they're not just looking for any reason to go on a killing spree.
Nothing would please me more than if it was some personal reason, like a jilted gay lover.
Totally agree. Either way, this will 1000000% be used to fan the flames. If it turns out to be a left wing woke nutjob or something they will obviously cream their pants in glee and just scream something along the lines of "see? The left is so horrible and so violent. Look at what they've done! We need to stop them now before it gets worse!" If it's a right wing idiot they'll just gloss over that and say "look how violent our cities our. There's criminals roaming the streets, we need to bring in the tanks to take our cities back!"
Supposedly it was an older white dude, and the alt-right has been rumbling about him (apparently he’s not conservative enough) for a while now. So I wouldn’t be surprised to find out that this is just another case of conservatives consuming each other.
I'm completely apathetic to this news. I'm not going to celebrate his death. But I think there's a lesson hidden somewhere in here, we'll probably lots of lessons.
It is like someone falling to their death doing one of those "Free climbing to the top of a smokestack and hanging by one hand." videos. You don't celebrate it but you also think "Well you sort of knew it would come to a bad ending eventually."
That liberals are unhinged psychopath murderers who constantly roam around calling everyone a Nazi fascist racist bigot and further alienating themselves, to lose more elections as a result? That's definitely a lesson to be learned here. Keep on increasing that division and see where it gets you, this site will never take off because most normal people will read these threads and realize the mental derangement.
The things these people are saying aren't even remotely as rude as the sort of things Charlie would say at an average event. Kirk suggested gay people be stoned to death. He said George Floyd had it coming. He blamed rape victims for dressing poorly. But those are all just words.
So are you suggesting these people are murderers just because they are sharing some uncomfortable words? Curious.
"If a person has ugly thoughts, it begins to show on the face. And when that person has ugly thoughts every day, every week, every year, the face gets uglier and uglier until you can hardly bear to look at it.
A person who has good thoughts cannot ever be ugly. You can have a wonky nose and a crooked mouth and a double chin and stick-out teeth, but if you have good thoughts it will shine out of your face like sunbeams and you will always look lovely.
Thoughts of malice, envy, disappointment, despondency, rob the body of its health and grace. A sour face does not come by chance; it is made by sour thoughts. Wrinkles that mar are drawn by folly, passion, and pride.
I know a woman of ninety-six who has the bright, innocent face of a girl. I know a man well under middle age whose face is drawn into inharmonious contours. The one is the result of a sweet and sunny disposition; the other is the outcome of passion and discontent.
I'm 34 and I don't think Charlie Kirk looked old or bitter. People need to stop wanking themselves into a gooning, salivating delusion that people with their views are good looking, whereas people with opposing views are ugly. People are so delusional in these echo chambers - they need to look in the mirror.
These memes are the only legacy of his that I will miss. The magical feeling of not knowing if any given image has his face photoshopped or not has been a consistent joy for such a long time.
All good things must come to an end.
We won't see the full consequences for years. A lot of people saw Charlie killed and they're going to start questioning why people should be killed simply for offensive use of language.
ATTENDEE: Do you know how many transgender Americans have been mass shooters over the last 10 years?
KIRK: Too many. [Applause]
ATTENDEE: In America, it's five. Now, five is a lot, right, I'm going to give you — I'm going to give you some credit. Do you know how many mass shooters there have been in America over the last 10 years?
I fucking forgot "Gang Violence" is just blacks and poors shooting on another. FUCK I felt like that was at least a good question (if your a Nazi who wants to muddy the waters, anyway), but nope- racism! "How many shootings or how many black shootings?" bang
Their entire speeches are christian nazi propaganda. So, he was talking about religion taking over the government, women having no rights, taking benefits from the children, disabled, and elderly, a police state responsible to no-one, forcing religious ideals on non-christian children, etc....
They're nazis. They talk about nazi goals. Openly and unabashedly. They will tell you they will hurt you if you're not a nazi, christian, or have the wrong color skin. That's their goal, and they're quite clear about it.
In the dumbest of time lines do you think this is a misdirection to make the news cycle stop talking about the epstein list and all the ties to him and his pedophilia?
It may have been horrific, but there is poetry is being a career apologist for gun violence, to them die in the act of apologizing and blaming minorities for gun violence, to then die from the bullet of a gun.
I mean, if you utterly lack nuance or a sense of irony.
The man in question quite famously, quite publicly, and quite repetitively argued the exact kind of violence exercised on him today is a necessary and acceptable consequence of the second amendment. Charlie Kirk has REPEATEDLY called for political violence against a multitude of other groups. The deceased is quite litterally an advocate for political violence.
"Were those Americans happy when Hitler killed himself? Unbelievable! Is this how those nazis felt murdering millions? We're just as bad as they are!" - OP is hidden nazi in community. Fuck you.
Fucking wild that a right-wing YouTuber/social media influencer was assassinated on my birthday.
I'm genuinely sickened by how many people have been openly celebrating Charlie Kirk's death, like having conservative views or supporting the right to bear arms literally makes you Hitler in their eyes. His two young childen have been robbed of their father, and people are still cheering like they'd genuinely use his grave as a gender neutral toilet.
Also, I worry this is going to be America's Reichstag Fire or Kristallnacht moment. This could very well lead to pogroms against leftists and ethnic minorities.
I'm pretty sure the first one is fake and the second one is a joke. Nobody gets sweaty and nervous because a black person is the captain or co-pilot. He's just making a joke about DEI which was going around recently. Some of his opinions may be ridiculous but we've all said ridiculous things. I didn't know anything about Charlie Kirk until this week, I'm actually quite impressed with his college debates. He was giving people political experience and being really decent with people, he even discouraged crowds from jeering the speakers.
Which is wild, because the fact that you are celebrating instead of a normal reaction (like, i don't know, feel bad for his family or something) will lead to them feeling confirmed in their hate towards the left.
I'm not eulogizing Kirk at all. The guy got famous by spreading hate and lies. I'm not denying that he had a negative influence, nor am i saying that we have to tolerate this.
But being a hateful lying asshole doesn't mean that a person needs to be just that (they can be a loving father at the same time, for example), nor that they don't have the potential for change.
In addition i am convinced that violence will lead to more violence. I'm not saying that we shouldn't speak up and fight against fascism. But by escalating the situation through violence we are justifying their view of the left as bad people.
For both of these reasons i am not celebrating this murder, but i condemn it.
I'd much prefer that they hated the left for made up shit (like trans or gac people being pedophiles) than for things where i have to reluctantly admit that they have a point (like the left celebrating a fellow humans death).
I can say that hate breeds hate and that his killing was a direct consequence of the environment he helped create. But i don't support that violence. I don't support the murder of a human being, even of someone i perceive as a bad person.
If you're going to wring your hands over what people are saying about Kirk while ignoring the horrible shit he said then YOU are the problem.
If you're going to say shit like "this is going to be America's Reichstag" while ignoring the assassination of two democrats a few months ago and ignoring the attempted murder of Pelosi's husband then YOU are the problem.
Charlie was against empathy, you are being disrespectful by showing empathy to him and his family. Stop.
Also stop referencing the Reichstag fire as though the gestapo isn't already rounding up immigrants and dissidents. You're just afraid they'll start targeting people who look like you (something that was already in the plan, btw).
I agree that we should not ever celebrate someone's death. Violence isn't the answer. Sometimes it's required to defend yourself, but it doesn't solve problems.
With all that being said, if you think that motivation for his killing was that he was a right wing, 2nd amendment type, well, I've got some land in Australia I'd like to sell you.
The guy was genuinely horrible to a lot of non conservatives, and thought gun violence was "a small price to pay" for the second amendment.
Others have detailed his horrific viewpoints far better than I could, so I'll just leave it at that.
As much as I don't condone violence, I'm not going to get sad about someone I didn't know, who held beliefs I don't agree with, has died. I have some measure of sympathy for his kids. His spouse knew who they were marrying, so I have less sympathy for them, but the kids, in my opinion, are the victims in all of this, if anyone. They didn't ask for this guy to be their father, and they certainly don't deserve to lose their father in such a public and very visible way. I have zero doubts that they will eventually see the footage that's floated around the Internet, if they have not seen it already. That's a tragedy. They'll have to see, in full color, the last moments of their fathers life.
I can only imagine the kind of trauma that could impart. I truly feel bad for those kids.
I can only imagine the kind of trauma that could impart. I truly feel bad for those kids.
Thousands of people saw the video of him being killed, that's not great either. Luckily I've seen worse, I'm now immune, but a lot of zoomers just saw graphic violence for the first time and they will have problems with mood and sleep for a while.
I am also immune. I've been on the Internet so long that I can accurately recreate the connection handshake tones from a modem. My first DSL line was 6mbps, and that was blisteringly fast at the time.
Appreciate you saying this. I too worry that some will take this event as a call to action. We all need to chill with this left/right nonsense. These are our brothers and sisters that are getting killed. I don't care if they had bad opinions, nothing good comes from celebrating a murder.
Also, I worry this is going to be America’s Reichstag Fire or Kristallnacht moment. This could very well lead to pogroms against leftists and ethnic minorities.
I'm in New Zealand so I don't care if revenge killings claim lives, let Americans fight for control of their country lol. That said, there are plenty of us who are reasonable, the problem is with the "neuro-diverse" teenagers and twenty-something year olds on Lemmy and other left-wing echo chambers. These people who never had a real job in their life, they just work in government office jobs and live with mum and dad. Of course they're brainwashed. I just hope that they grow up soon. Ideology isn't something that you have to believe to the letter. Nobody has to live their whole live according to ideology. It'll only lead to that person becoming miserable.
Thank you! I am shocked how few here understand that violence as an answer to hate will only further deepen the spiral of hate and violence. Y'all feel justified because the guy was a transhating fascist, but the right will see you guys celebrate and only take it as confirmation that the left are literal demons that have no empathy for two children robbed of their father.
Why is this site full of constant hatred and far-left psychopathy? No difference of opinions or dialogue. I guess I need to stick to reddit unfortunately. But this is why the left are going to lose the elections for the next 8 years, so congrats on the hateful rhetoric, I recommend becoming even more unhinged to push even more people away from that alignment. Seal your fate forever.
Because a guy whose entire role in the world was to develop a program of political violence, dying to political violence; well thats just fucking hilarious.
I mean his very last words were quite litterally trying to justify the kind of violence that he died from: 👌🫦 💦
And your reaction: Its even MORE hilarious.
The losers/ creeps/ idiots calling this "WAR" are the same idiots/ losers/ creeps that were calling Cracker Barrel changing their logo "WAR": No sane person takes them seriously.
Its a great thing that he's gone. He was human filth. He was doing real damage to the social fabric and the only people outraged by the reaction to a human poop nugget getting what he deserved are also people actively tearing at the social fabric of human society.
Fuck Charlie Kirk, fuck Trump, and fuck any fascist apologist who make any excuses for them.
He advocated for the eradication of trans people and the party he worked for is literally ethnically cleansing the US. Yes, we are calling Nazis Nazis.
No see that's just a difference of opinion, a conservative viewpoint, surely that doesn't make someone a nazi, right? it's different! totally different!
EDIT: feels like I apparently need to make it clear that this is sarcasm and all conservatives are in fact nazis.
Maybe just stop building literal concentration camps, and celebrating having people abducted to fill them, very much like the literal Nazis. How about that? Stop being Nazis, and people will stop calling you Nazis, probably.
Blud they just tried to assassinate a senator and hid wife in Minnesota in June... They've been bombing and burning, shooting clinics for so many years
Lefties can only aspire to be as free of hateful rhetoric as the angels of the right. Remember when Biden released 1500 violent conspiratards after they attacked the capitol, which resulted in the death of multiple people? thanks Obama
I don't know. Why does Donald Trump fuck little kids, and have innocent brown people kidnapped off the streets? And why did Kirk support that? Why did Donald Trump attempt, incompetently to weaponize an epidemic, and allow it to spiral into a pandemic? And why did Kirk support that? Why did Charlie Kirk advocate for children getting mowed down by automatic weapons, so he can go hunt innocent animals? Why was he such an asshole? Answer those questions first, since they all happened first. Then I'll tell you why I laughed at his Kool Aid Fountain neck.
He did more than to bring violence to my community than nearly any other public figure. He may not have personally pulled a trigger or struck a blow, but I know for sure he would not have shed a tear over any of the transgender or minority deaths he encouraged. Why do you expect me to do anything but repay him in kind.
I wouldn't have wished harm on this MAGA weirdo or any other MAGA crazies. MAGA are the ones actually posting for retaliation violence. I have lost sympathy for the pedophile worshipping MAGA cult.
However, I am going to laugh my ass off when stuff like this happens to hate filled bigots.
It sure does seem that way. They think they have carte blanche to murder or commit violence towards anybody they want, but they've awakened a quiet giant. This is not going to turn out how they want no matter how much misinformation and circlejerking they spread around here.
I'm late to reply, but I don't think we'll see anything in the near future. I'd bet on a doomsday scenario where democrats are elected and republicans panic over mass-importing of voters (real or not) and see no solution. I don't think many people would justify any sort of revenge while Trump is president. Right now it looks like people are unifying and peacefully remembering Charlie Kirk. Liberty Hangout had some interviews and people in the videos were optimistic.
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neidu3@sh.itjust.works · 188 pts · 344d
Hollow Point USA
Witchfire@lemmy.world · 68 pts · 344d
Cocopanda@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 344d
Are there hollow point rifle rounds?
Steve@startrek.website · 6 pts · 344d
Yes
Cocopanda@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 344d
Well. That is news to me. Anyway.
inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 344d
Just for reference.
https://www.classicfirearms.com/ammunition/308_win-hollow_point/
418_im_a_teapot@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 343d
That’s: ~ 50¢ ~ CAD$0.69 ~ ¥73.61 ~ € 0.42
… each.
I didn’t realize until now that I didn’t actually know how much a bullet costs.
inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 343d
They're 2 USD, 2.77 CAD, 294.90 yen, and 1.71 euro per 30.06 round there.
kuhli@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 343d
Yeah, people who shoot a ton often buy the components and make them themselves, collecting and reusing the casings
sturmblast@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 343d
Yes
M0oP0o@mander.xyz · 4 pts · 344d
Naw, looked more like a jacketed round.
Is there anyone even left of substance at turning point?
neidu3@sh.itjust.works · 13 pts · 344d
I'm sure his neck turned hollow at one point
M0oP0o@mander.xyz · 6 pts · 344d
True
"Facts Don't Care About Your Feelings!"
Bakkoda@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 344d
Hydrostatic shock is a hell of a drug
sturmblast@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 343d
There was never any substance at turning point.
M0oP0o@mander.xyz · 3 pts · 343d
Hmmm bad choice of words on my part, more like of sufficient rotting mass to have any draw.
Strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 162 pts · 344d
It's honestly been a while since a breaking news story put a massive grin on my face
amanneedsamaid@sopuli.xyz · 24 pts · 344d
After the attempt on Trump, I thought these guys had force fields around them. One shot, 200 yards, and a great day.
aski3252@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 343d
How? Why? This could have incredibly dangerous consequences. Didn't Trump send the national guard after a dodge employee was beaten up? Only time how he will exploit this situation for further gaining power.
Seriously, I'm shocked how nonchalant people are reacting. Further escalation of political violence is extremely dangerous for the left at the moment and could be extremely lucrative for the Trump regime, which is constantly testing the water on how far they can go in terms of seizing power.
Don't forget, it was also an assassination that was the trigger for the Kristallnacht. You hopefully are not quite at that stage, but it is events like this that moves you closer..
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 343d
sometimes you like seeing turds get flushed even though your anus is sore
Strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 343d
Yes, I agree, but those fears took a bit to set in. Whereas my initial reaction was to "person who supports your extermination is no longer"
SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 343d
If it wasn't this it was going to be something else. At least this definitely solved a problem permanently.
A repeat of something like the doge employee assult could fix some issues, but probably only temporarily and would ultimately have the same end result.
If there's anything to learn from Kristallnacht is that there was never going to be enough capitulation and appeasement that would've prevented it and that appeasement ultimately works to multiply the harms done.
aski3252@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 343d
Trump isn't invincible. Stuff like the Epstein thing actually seemed to hurt him. This is a very convenient distraction.
What problem is solved? Kirk was a very effective propagator, especially with younger people, but he's not irreplaceable. And his death is already being used as very effective propaganda.
Again, what issue is solved? I don't understand what you think this achieves. The main effect stuff like this has is giving the right effective propaganda material and escalating violence. And the left is not in a position where escalating violence benefits the US, quite the opposite.
I do not suggest capitulation or appeasement.. But in order to resist effectively, you need stronger organization. This makes organizing way more difficult.
SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 343d
The "Epstein thing" is never going to have reprecussions within Trump's natural lifespan. Those "50yr birthday cards" that are getting showcased are over 24 years old at this point. Nearly twice the age of some of the alleged victims. Several of who have been saying, with signed testimonials and everything that Trump was there.
What evidence exactly do you want that you think would have any effect? From my perspective even if there was an explicit video of him unambiguously raping a child his supporters would claim it was a "deep fake" and anyone who viewed, distributed, or acknowledged it's existence it would be serving 20yrs to life for CP possession. It might be acknowledged as fact 50 years afterwards, but by that point it really doesn't matter.
Nobody is perfectly replaceable. But I understand what you're saying and I unfortunately don't think your wrong, but it will take a lot of time and significant financial investment for someone else to fill that role. It's how the state has kept "leftist" orgs down in the US for at least 50+ years.
There has never been another Fred Hampton, there will never be another Charlie Kirk.
I agree fully on needing stronger organization, however the biggest issue I have found in most leftist organizing is there is little to no understanding or willingness for any form of self defense. I don't see how this affects existing organizing methods, tactics, etc. Can you expand on what you're seeing here?
aski3252@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 343d
It's hard to tell, but it has disillusioned at least some of his supporters, showing that it is possible, at least for some people, to snap out of the cult. Obviously some will always support him, no matter what.
I don't think it will hurt them in any significant way, maybe even the opposite. Kirk is still incredibly useful as a martyr figure and it's not like he had much of an operational role. He was a propagandist and he will still be used to spread far right propaganda, even in his death.
I understand that he was incredibly influencial, but that's mostly because he was a pioneer of the modern right who made the right wing cool to a younger audience, but his methods have since been adapted by many other right wing propagandists.
Or can you explain why you think his assasination will weaken or harm the right? Because I don't see it.
SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 342d
Has it? You added a lot of weasel words to that claim there. If so what evidence specifically disillusioned them? Again from my perspective I hear a lot of "this will surely be the end of him" and then that predicted "end" never comes. My understanding is that disconnect comes from an inaccurate belief that there is equality under law, equality in reporting, etc.
Probably, but if martyr figures were that powerful then wouldn't it be useful for 'the left' to also start martyring themselves? Martyrs can only ever do passive propoganda, Charlie was doing active propoganda and ultimately I don't think Martyrs tend to be all that useful.
aski3252@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 338d
Yep.
The point is that Trumps image can change, even for his core supporters.. I obviously have no clue exactly how many of his supporters were dissilusioned, which is why I will use "weasel words" (aka estimates and guesses)..
I doubt that there will ever be the "one thing" where everyone suddenly realises they have been duked.. Obviously that's not how it works..
Ever heard of George Floyd? Trayvon Martin? Eric Garner? Those people weren't even influencial to the left wing as a movement when they were alive (unlike Kirk), yet they still fueled one of the biggest movements in recent years.
Some people do that, but in order to be powerful, they have to have been killed by the enemy you want to mobilize people against.. Which is why the right will do whatever they can to blame this on "the radical left", no matter what.
I think you are incredibly wrong on this point.
Pretty insignificant considering the countless other right wing propagandists out there who do pretty much the same thing. Also, events like this have a tendency to inspire more propagandists and radicalize people.
Possible, but again, tp is not THAT important. They have turned a significant part of the youth and have a likeminded regime in power that continues to concolidate power. And they can an will use this event to consolidate more.
That's not gonna happen..
Damage to whom? You don't know because the potential results are unpredictable.
Like Trump's failed assassinations?
aramova@infosec.pub · 4 pts · 344d
Schadenfreude moment.
DreamAccountant@lemmy.world · 25 pts · 344d
Nope. You don't get schadenfreude when you are defending yourself from someone determined to kill you, your family, and everyone who isn't openly nazi.
More "Whew, that nazi almost killed Indiana Jones before tripping and getting run over by a tank!" and Less "I'm glad you got hurt by the door you refuse to fix."
Calibrate your enthusiasm.
aramova@infosec.pub · 9 pts · 344d
sigh
You're fucking right. This human POS honestly deserved much worse than he got.
Bonesince1997@lemmy.world · 157 pts · 344d
These guys think they can talk all day about how they are going to make other's lives worse, often those with lesser means, and they think they should enjoy safety themselves at all times. This while caring so little for others who are victims of gun violence, offering up weak thoughts and prayers and no action. Well, today he got to live the life he always wanted, he just wanted it for others.
ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk · 89 pts · 344d
He was literally in the middle of defending his stance on why trans people are bad, and dodging questions on gun violence, when this happened. Bizarre.
Witchfire@lemmy.world · 27 pts · 344d
Couldn't have happened to a nicer dude
BoloMKXXVIII@piefed.social · 12 pts · 344d
Forgot about Trump and Vance did you?
VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 344d
I'd say the comment implies that Kirk isn't as bad as Trump and Vance.
DangedIfYouDid@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 344d
I'm interpreting it as: if he were anyone nicer it wouldn't have happened to him.
mos@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 344d
I was curious what the topic of his speech was but I didn't want to watch the video. What was he talking about?
USSMojave@startrek.website · 39 pts · 344d
An audience member asked how many trans people have carried out mass shootings over the past 10 years.
Charlie says "Way too many".
The audience member responds, only five.
Then the audience member asks, "And do you know how many mass shootings there have been in America in the last ten years?"
“Counting or not counting gang violence?” Kirk asked back.
BANG
HeartyOfGlass@piefed.social · 12 pts · 344d
Righteous.
wheezy@lemmy.ml · 8 pts · 343d
Confronted with statistics that don't fit my narrative. Better pivot to the "black people are violent" defense.
Literally the last thought in this racist piece of shits head. Glorious.
krashmo@lemmy.world · 28 pts · 344d
Gun violence, funnily enough. He had just finished the quintessential conservative "black and trans people cause most mass shootings" argument.
ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk · 9 pts · 344d
I certainly didn't watch anything so ghoulish, but the transcript in reporting was him midway through a Q&A section with someone challenging his stance on the recent trans school shooting, and making implications about him taking a hardline stance on that whilst taking no stance on others. His answer to "how many school shootings in the last 10 years have involved a trans person?" was "too many"... the most eye rollingly evasive answer possible.
lechekaflan@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 344d
Look at some of the bastards talking about him. I'm sure inside they're fucking scared, trying to guess how much they'll have to spend for security and start having coffee with Erik Prince or some thuggery.
https://archive.is/3N4JR
ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one · 21 pts · 344d
Jesus fucking Christ, these people are capable massive cognitive dissonance. It's not surprising as it's right out of the fascist playbook.
Bonesince1997@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 344d
Yet they completely ignore that a guy went around killing & attempting to kill Democrats just the other month at their homes.
SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 118 pts · 344d
Why the fuck is Donald Trump the one announcing his death?
Does that stink of this being a false flag and Kirk was chosen as an expendable to anyone else??
I am not at all convinced the shooter was a leftist or liberal.
theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world · 86 pts · 344d
It was a truly wildly impressive shot. One single shot taken over 200 yards away through a very limited angle that made an instant-kill hit, and no suspect in custody? Hmm...
It is extremely convenient that this happened immediately after the publication of the Epstein birthday book.
HK65@sopuli.xyz · 74 pts · 344d
Yeah I'd say it was convenient if there wasn't a major Trump scandal each week in the past ten years at least.
TheFogan@programming.dev · 10 pts · 344d
Quite true... trumps already really good at distracting from his damning significant crimes with other crimes. I can't think of a week in 2025 where there's not something significant enough that they'd be looking for a distraction.
azertyfun@sh.itjust.works · 22 pts · 344d
Like Trump needs distraction. He could breathe slightly funny or his hands could turn a different shade of purple and the news circus would move on from the birthday book tomorrow, which doesn't even confirm anything we didn't already know.
Killer was well-prepared and a good shot, unlike the weirdo who tried to take out Trump. The only unusual thing is that people who have the mental acumen to actually pull something like this off and not get caught immediately tend to be mentally stable enough not to attempt something like that.
But times are a-changing and political violence in the US is going to get a lot worse before it gets better. People forgot that the Rule of Law and Social Contract were meant not just as ways to prevent conservatives from implementing ethnic/religious fundamentalism, but also to prevent this exact kind of thing happening. Trump is at the helm of a government he seemingly distrusts, whose own rules he constantly breaks or ignores, whose institutions he actively sabotages, whose fundamental principles he spits on. As a consequence trust in all three branches of government is crumbling, which inevitably legitimizes political violence as a last resort vector of change.
ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de · 2 pts · 344d
200 yards is a very novice distance with a rifle.
Badabinski@kbin.earth · 15 pts · 344d
I wouldn't necessarily say that. I used to shoot competitively (service rifle across-the-course), and we'd shoot 200 yards off-hand. We don't know if the shooter was prone, sitting/kneeling, or standing. If they were standing (because they wanted to beat a quick retreat) then it was a hell of a shot. Honestly, even if they were prone it's not bad. Given the nature of the shooting, it appears that the shooter didn't want collateral damage. There were a LOT of people there, and that pressure would make any shot harder.
ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de · 12 pts · 344d
Standing offhand at 200 yards on a non moving target would be a pretty good shot, especially with no warm up and nerves, but I'm assuming the shooter was prone or resting the rifle on something.
It's just tons of people in here have been blasting that this is some sort of big distance for the shot, when it really isn't. Most anyone could shoot accurately enough at that distance with a small bit of practice.
TheEighthDoctor@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 344d
From the video on the roof he looks prone and using the edge of the roof as a "tripod". I also believe he was going for a head shot but didn't calculate bullet drop properly. This is all speculation taken out of my ass of course.
Alloi@lemmy.world · -12 pts · 344d
theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 344d
Huh?? I've seen a lot of videos from the event already and none show anything like a shooter from the crowd. Post a link, otherwise this is total bullshit
EDIT:
https://apnews.com/live/utah-valley-university-charlie-kirk-shooting-updates#00000199-35cb-d74e-afdd-f5cb1f000000
Zeon@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 344d
Please post a link, I want to see.
can@sh.itjust.works · -4 pts · 344d
I'm not sure the dot world admins would like that.
Edit: well fuck me for being cautious.
errer@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 344d
I already saw the blood gushing from his neckhole video posted here so the admins don’t give a shit
Zeon@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 344d
paraphrand@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 344d
The videos are being wiped?! What do you mean? You suggest there is an effort to destroy every single copy.
Alloi@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 344d
not every single copy, just the ones that show the shot coming from the crowd.
i literally cant find them anywhere now.
pennomi@lemmy.world · 76 pts · 344d
deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz · 42 pts · 344d
Occam's Razor.
The USA probably has a million (literally) gun owners capable of making that shot.
Bustedknuckles@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 344d
I don't know, 3" (or so) grouping at 200 yards under those conditions is objectively hard. I don't know anyone in my personal life that I think could make that shot
ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de · 38 pts · 344d
First of all; 200 yards with a rifle is a stupid easy shot. Rifles are zeroed in around 200 yards. A 20x scope would make the target look just 10 yards away.
Secondly; You ever hear of anyone shooting for the neck intentionally? No one would. The neck was an accident. They were aiming for the head or the chest and missed.
Kagu@lemmy.ml · 27 pts · 344d
An ex army friend of mine said he'd be expected to make that shot with iron sights at 300m if he had an M4 after a year of training.
Not to say every backyard marksman is army trained, but it doesn't sound improbable.
meco03211@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 344d
Doesn't need to be a 3" grouping. Could have just gotten lucky. Could have been aiming center mass or for the head and wildly missed. But also he wasn't moving and 200 yards with a properly sighted in scope isn't too different from 100 yards and a properly sighted in scope.
mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 11 pts · 344d
Yeah, my guess was actually that they were aiming for his head (easier to get a clear shot at through a crowd, because center mass would likely be obscured by other people around him) and missed.
Tyrq@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 19 pts · 344d
If they missed his forehead, it had to be on purpose
arrow74@lemmy.zip · 8 pts · 344d
Why assume the shooter wasn't aiming for the torso or head. He could have been nearly 1ft off of where he was aiming for all we know.
Worked out though
deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz · 3 pts · 344d
Yeah. But there's what 350 million of y'all?
If you know fewer that 350 people well enough to know how well they shoot... then you might still know someone good enough to make the shot but don't know that they are.
apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 344d
Ain't no solidarity like fascist solidarity.
ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk · 16 pts · 344d
I wouldn't be surprised if it was someone just more right wing than him who took issue with "softer" stances, like not murdering trans people in the streets and only criminalising them.
unmagical@lemmy.ml · 14 pts · 344d
Or the Whitehouse kept an open line with the hospital and Trump lacks the decency to let the family make the announcement on their own terms.
ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one · 6 pts · 344d
Toilet Paper US tells Trumpie that Charlie Kirk is dead. Trumpie can't resist telling everyone. Family finds out through a Truth Social post.
azimir@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 344d
Multiple government leaders found out they'd been fired via Twitter in the first round of this administration. TACO is a coward and really doesn't give a fuck about people so he just does whatever is easiest, including destroying careers/lives by randomly shitting things out on the Web.
AniZaeger@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 344d
Just imagine if this ends up turning Turning Point away from Trump.
PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@lemmy.sdf.org · 13 pts · 344d
Absolutely zero chance it's a false flag. Turning Point USA is a huge boon to the Trump admin.
IMO we just need to wait and see. I see no evidence that the shooter was a leftist or liberal... because I've seen no evidence about the perp at all.
teawrecks@sopuli.xyz · 10 pts · 344d
The golden rule of fascism: always first accuse others of the conspiracies you're going to engage in.
zebidiah@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 344d
I'm betting the shooter is a pizza gater and got upset Charlie stopped talking about the Epstein files or something like that
aeternum@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 5 pts · 344d
MehBlah@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 344d
Because the orange tumor ordered his execution?
xodoh74984@lemmy.world · 115 pts · 344d
OldQWERTYbastard@lemmy.world · 32 pts · 344d
I don't feel bad when evil people die, but I also don't chuckle this much. The irony is very much alive, unlike Kirk.
Sidhean@piefed.social · 1 pts · 343d
His head is too fucking small in that.
Grass@sh.itjust.works · 14 pts · 344d
fuck I guess at least it was worth it
Zeon@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 344d
herseycokguzelolacak@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 344d
https://lemmy.ml/c/leopardsatemyface@lemmy.world
painteddoggie@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 344d
I watched this while taking a shit. Thanks for the link!
ronl2k@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 343d
I normally don't watch gore, but I made an exception because Kirk condoned guns so much. Still, that juxtaposition of the shot to the neck was quite shocking.
ToiletFlushShowerScream@lemmy.world · 97 pts · 344d
Sad they will never identify the vaccine that caused this.
aeternum@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 8 pts · 344d
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 343d
if only we weren't all trans by executive order. damn forcefemming trump
frunch@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 344d
That's because it wasn't a vaccine!
It was the LiBeRaL mInD vIrUs!!!!1!! 😯
NatakuNox@lemmy.world · 93 pts · 344d
Bruh... We are in for an explosion of political violence... Only difference between now and the past is white wealthy men are the targets. Watching them freak out when they are gunned down on a random Wednesday is laughable. Welcome to your average black Americans reality. Police killings are political violence but no one with actual power ever gave a shit.
SpookyBogMonster@lemmy.ml · 18 pts · 344d
I think we've been in one. After Trump got shot, I predicted that political assassination would be the "cool thing" among the stochastic terrorism types, and that seems to have been true, between Luigi, That guy who killed those legislators in MN, and now this.
Pelicanen@sopuli.xyz · 37 pts · 344d
I would like to note that Luigi Mangione has not been convicted of anything and it has not been proven that he was the one who killed the UnitedHealthCare CEO, there was also a lot of improper police conduct in relation to his arrest.
neidu3@sh.itjust.works · 12 pts · 344d
In fact, I'm pretty sure I saw Luigi Mangione outside my local grocery store roughly halfway around the world when the alleged killing happened.
ronl2k@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 343d
Only the US court system needs to wait for a trial to find Luigi Mangione guilty. The general public is not required to wait for his trial to express their opinion of his guilt.
NatakuNox@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 344d
If we've been in one...
Hugin@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 344d
Just like "Elections are the pressure release of an unhappy populace" trust in rule of law helps prevent people from taking things into their own hands.
Police protection of right wing shotters, ignoring due process, the supreme court saying it's ok to break the law if you are Trump. People have lost faith in the instutions of law and are taking things into their own hands.
This is the result of the Republicans dismantling the norms of government and rule of law.
fluxion@lemmy.world · -17 pts · 344d
No, we are the targets now. This was the perfect excuse to increase militarization against the citizenry and distract from the Epstein Files. Whoever did this is a short-sighted idiot.
Witchfire@lemmy.world · 34 pts · 344d
They were going to do that regardless of what happened today. At least they're one raging Nazi short.
NatakuNox@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 344d
Always remember yall, they hate us for existing, we hate them for the harm they cause to others. We are not the same.
fluxion@lemmy.world · -9 pts · 344d
Now they'll accelerate the pace since the public will be less critical of such action, and 5 raging Nazis will take his place on social media. Unlike violent MAGA cultists, you won't be recruiting very many progressives who would consider right-wingers with social media accounts to be worthy of a death sentence.
Nothing good has been accomplished here.
SwingingTheLamp@midwest.social · 8 pts · 344d
I take your point. More Nazi goons need to get it, ASAP.
passwordforgetter@lemmy.nz · 4 pts · 343d
On Gab Social they're already saying that there's no point in being a "moderate" might as well go full-fash and arm to the teeth. If the left will kill a conservative jew-lover like Charlie Kirk, then the bar for a justified shooting is very low.
ronl2k@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 343d
Kirk's assassination will put a chill on professional haters being bold enough to spew their hate in public venues.
skisnow@lemmy.ca · 19 pts · 344d
You sound like when an abused child tells his baby sister not to do anything to make dad mad
fluxion@lemmy.world · -10 pts · 344d
You sound like someone who is okay with murdering people you don't like
Tangentism@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 344d
I wouldn't murder anyone but I'm certainty not going to be upset when a shit gibbon gets his neck blown out.
You sound like the kind of person that if someone was getting attacked in the street, you would grab their arms to stop them defending themselves while saying to them that they need to be the better person.
I would happily kick you in the face if that were ever the case
fluxion@lemmy.world · -9 pts · 344d
That's such a stupid example. This isn't a Luigi moment, Charlie Kirk was not effectively ordering people's deaths. There are indeed people I would not feel bad about, but congrats on making most normal Americans (outside of this little terrorist bubble) feeling bad for Charlie Kirk and his now-fatherless children because some random guy didn't like what they heard on the Internet. I'm sure MAGA will resign any day now and install Bernie Sanders as president because your threw a murderous hissy fit. 👍
Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz · 7 pts · 343d
Seconds before getting owned in the marketplace of ideas, Kirk had literally said trans people are responsible for "too many" school shootings.
fluxion@lemmy.world · -5 pts · 343d
And i think MAGA is responsible for a large number of shootings so I guess im a clear target for some right-wing nutjob to leave my child fatherless too now.
sturmblast@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 343d
Charlie Kirk was spreading horrible messaging to the youth of America. He spread racism, homophobia, sexism, and hatred. This is closer to a Luigi moment than anything else. You don't know what you are talking about.
fluxion@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 343d
Hope you have a good job, you're gonna be spending a fortune on bullets
sturmblast@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 343d
Well, that doesn't make any sense at all as a third party reading this bullshit. Perhaps you should calm down and stop reacting and start READING.
fluxion@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 343d
That's okay I'm fine with not being a terrorist
sturmblast@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 336d
So you are pro-fascism? Good job.
fluxion@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 336d
Dumb
NatakuNox@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 344d
Ps willing to bet it was the neo Nazies he was arguing with on Twitter with the week before. He he was figuratively telling them that their obvert racism was bad for business and the conservative agenda. And they said he's a jew simp and threatened him.
fluxion@lemmy.world · -11 pts · 344d
Why blame Nazis? You are clearly demonstrating that there are plenty of leftists willing to murder people they disagree with on the Internet
slag@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 7 pts · 344d
Agreed, no one ever thinks of the poor Nazis. What did they ever do to hurt anyone?
…Recently. No, more recently than you’re thinking. Like, they haven’t killed or lynched anyone in the last 30 seconds, have they? QED!
NatakuNox@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 344d
How about you take those pearls you are clutching so tightly, and go tell every millionaire, executive, board members, police/ice agent, and nazi this warning. Because apparently you nor them have ever picked up a history book. This only ends one way unless they fuck off to their private sex islands leaving all their wealth. That or them and/or their offspring's remains will be strung up in the streets as a cautionary tail. I'm not threatening anyone. It's no different that 2+2=4. Authoritarianism plus inequality equals a lot of dead people.
fluxion@lemmy.world · -3 pts · 344d
Violent revolution requires hearts and minds, it requires a people so oppressed and wronged that a popular uprising is possible. Unfortunately that means you have to suffer to some degree before that becomes a viable path to retaking power. You can't skip past it, because then you are standing by yourself looking like nothing more than one of the theoretical leftist terrorists radicals they keep talking about, which i always found ridiculous until i saw the reactions here.
This isn't some Luigi moment, he wasn't sitting around deciding who lives and dies, he was just a right-winger with a social media presence, and i happen to follow a lot of left-wingers with a social media presence who I'd prefer to not see targeted for murder by a bunch of crazies just because they don't like what they hear.
Revolution is going to require you to step out of your bubble and understand that most Americans, including progressives like me who didn't even vote for Clinton because they were not progressive enough, will find your reaction appalling and will never endorse this sort of depravity. Do something more productive with those emotions, understand that good things do not come quickly or easily, and that this has not achieved a single good thing.
NatakuNox@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 343d
Uhhhhhhh popular up rising. Have you just been online? Have you just been watching "main stream" news? Has your life been that comfortable?
For the last time no one is dumb to what you are trying to say. Say I'm in a bubble? Bruh... Go spend your energy somewhere else on individuals that actually need to hear your words. Because we know. There's more than enough popular connections going on. You just aren't connected to your community. My community is gearing up for tougher times than we are currently dealing with. So go on. Keep acting like your bubble is a litmus test for whats going on. You are obviously overlooking tons of organizing and ground work going on in communities different than your own.
Go spend your flowery words on those that actually need it. Because many demographics and communities are organized and are ready for what comes next.
fluxion@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 343d
Take a break from the internet and go discuss with your community about your proposal of shooting people in the neck when they say shit you don't like and have a big enough view count and see how much help they think you are to their problems.
NatakuNox@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 342d
Oh look it wasn't the left. Lol you going to go to conservative spaces and talk your nonsense?
Kirk was killed by his own side if your didn't catch the news 😂
NatakuNox@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 342d
Holy shit! You still there!? It's was neo Nazies 😂🤣😂🤣 I totally called it. Dragging my nuts across your propaganda is making my day.
fluxion@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 342d
If you were so sure it was Nazi you shouldn't have lead with "Only difference between now and the past is white wealthy men are the targets. Watching them freak out when they are gunned down on a random Wednesday is laughable." and then spent the whole arguing why this murder is justified.
That's was my point: that thinking is how Nazis acts, not progressives, and that by applauding this you are making it easier for people to claim the left are the violent ones and playing right into their propaganda.
The fact that you are relieved it was potentially Nazis tells me that deep down inside you know this was bad for business, so thank you for spending another toilet break to follow up on this.
NatakuNox@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 342d
Lol yes I stand by every word. Want to know my next prediction? They killed him because the wanted to start a race war. In a just world Kirk would have never have been platformed and given millions to lie about other races, ethnicities, gender, and religion. In a just world Kirk would have been thrown in jail for inciting violence. His death was injustice. But because of his actions and others just like him and yourself his outcome was inevitable. It is celebrated, yes. Ridiculed, yes. Hell, how murder was so predictable Kirk was wearing a bullet proof vest. He should have taken all the hints and examples from his past and put more love and acceptance of into the world. Then maybe he would have never would have caught the eye of those willing to do violence... Remember 2+2=4? And look at all the people just like him and yourself. Backflips to save face? Or Idk what is going through yalls head. Actions have consequences. His actions equaled his death. Because once you throw your lot in with everything modern day conservatives, capitalist, neo-liberals, and bigots beliefs you only have yourself to blame when those same ideals are focused on yourself for even a second is just a fraction of the pain he put out into the world. If it didn't happen to him last Wednesday or within his lifetime, it was going to happen to anyone who picked up his fight. 2+2=4. Keep acting like the equation is the problem and we'll never advance as a species.
And yes. Squeezed a few out while typing this. Because you and people like you are the problem. And I truly hope you wake up and influence those who actually are going to end up just like Kirk. It's going to happen. If not tomorrow, definitely/predictably/ inevitably this is the outcome. You need to change if you want to save yourself or those that want to follow you.
My final question and comment to you is, will you? I did. The black and brown communities did. Women did. Poor communities did. Hell even children have. Why not you?
Fedizen@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 344d
I mean they invaded dc. Likely this doesn't change anyone's plans
AniZaeger@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 344d
For all we know, Kirk was a sacrificial lamb, and this is all part of the plan.
Witchfire@lemmy.world · 67 pts · 344d
They say you should only speak good of the dead. He's dead. Good.
AlexLost@lemmy.world · 61 pts · 344d
Bravo. Practice what you preach. It's about time these people started putting money where their mouth is, eh.
deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz · 16 pts · 344d
Or stick their necks out.
herseycokguzelolacak@lemmy.ml · 54 pts · 344d
is this the mythical "good guy with a gun" that republicans promised?
SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world · 39 pts · 344d
Trump and his cult created this environment. His hate mongering and baiting brought us here.
HugeNerd@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 344d
cause <-> effect, then you're cooking
MourningDove@lemmy.zip · 38 pts · 344d
resipsaloquitur@lemmy.world · 37 pts · 344d
Was it his gay lover that killed him?
logicbomb@lemmy.world · 60 pts · 344d
I am unironically concerned about the motives of his assassin. Every time we see something like this, I get this sinking feeling like we've just seen the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand.
But then, we keep discovering that they're right-wing nutjobs, and so the people who are praying for a civil war have to gnash their teeth and pretend like they're not just looking for any reason to go on a killing spree.
Nothing would please me more than if it was some personal reason, like a jilted gay lover.
bigfondue@lemmy.world · 39 pts · 344d
Mog_fanatic@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 344d
Totally agree. Either way, this will 1000000% be used to fan the flames. If it turns out to be a left wing woke nutjob or something they will obviously cream their pants in glee and just scream something along the lines of "see? The left is so horrible and so violent. Look at what they've done! We need to stop them now before it gets worse!" If it's a right wing idiot they'll just gloss over that and say "look how violent our cities our. There's criminals roaming the streets, we need to bring in the tanks to take our cities back!"
AoxoMoxoA@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 344d
My money is on right wing accelerationist
mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 12 pts · 344d
Supposedly it was an older white dude, and the alt-right has been rumbling about him (apparently he’s not conservative enough) for a while now. So I wouldn’t be surprised to find out that this is just another case of conservatives consuming each other.
resipsaloquitur@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 344d
You hate to see them fighting each other.
Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 344d
Was this to silence anyone with firsthand Epstein knowledge?
BoloMKXXVIII@piefed.social · 33 pts · 344d
I wonder if Tucker Carlson is sh!tting his pants right about now.
Typhoon@lemmy.ca · 40 pts · 344d
We know Trump is. But that was before he heard the news.
inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 344d
Assuming he was was wearing pants and not tanning his balls.
BoloMKXXVIII@piefed.social · 3 pts · 344d
Not sure he has any.
PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@lemmy.sdf.org · 32 pts · 344d
SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 344d
AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world · 30 pts · 344d
absentbird@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 344d
I think that's Steven Crowder, Charlie Kirk also did the 'change my mind' thing, but be had a much smaller face.
AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 343d
That is Crowder, but Kirk was under a "change my mind" banner when he said his last words.
absentbird@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 343d
Ah, til
BaroqueBobby@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 343d
Not to actually you, but he was famous for his Prove Me Wrong table - it’s a better phrase for how cocky this dude was.
Marshezezz@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 29 pts · 344d
Blackfeathr@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 344d
You outlived Charlie Kirk. You're doing pretty good, I'd say.
TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 344d
ajj
BakerBagel@midwest.social · 3 pts · 344d
I love the parade march from Phantom Menace so much
greedytacothief@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 29 pts · 343d
I'm completely apathetic to this news. I'm not going to celebrate his death. But I think there's a lesson hidden somewhere in here, we'll probably lots of lessons.
rekabis@lemmy.ca · 13 pts · 343d
- Clarence Darrow
“People should be careful what they wish for.”
Particularly, his own admission that the deaths of innocents should be perfectly acceptable for 2nd amendment rights to be upheld.
Well, he sure set an example, now, didn’t he?
Linktank@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 343d
"Prove me wrong"
SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 343d
It is like someone falling to their death doing one of those "Free climbing to the top of a smokestack and hanging by one hand." videos. You don't celebrate it but you also think "Well you sort of knew it would come to a bad ending eventually."
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 343d
I've been playing Lead Belly's Blue Tail Fly every few hours and substituting Monster for Master because i don't know the lyrics very well
TangledHyphae@lemmy.world · -26 pts · 343d
That liberals are unhinged psychopath murderers who constantly roam around calling everyone a Nazi fascist racist bigot and further alienating themselves, to lose more elections as a result? That's definitely a lesson to be learned here. Keep on increasing that division and see where it gets you, this site will never take off because most normal people will read these threads and realize the mental derangement.
https://www.charliesmurderers.com/
Hundreds have already been fired for this rhetoric, and many more to come.
fz3n@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 343d
The things these people are saying aren't even remotely as rude as the sort of things Charlie would say at an average event. Kirk suggested gay people be stoned to death. He said George Floyd had it coming. He blamed rape victims for dressing poorly. But those are all just words.
So are you suggesting these people are murderers just because they are sharing some uncomfortable words? Curious.
RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 343d
And you can keep supporting ethnic cleansing, and then wonder why the entirety of planet earth thinks you're a Nazi.
greedytacothief@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 342d
Well, someone had to pay the troll toll. Guess it was me this time
WilloftheWest@feddit.uk · 28 pts · 344d
31?! Hate really ages you.
Tangentism@lemmy.ml · 21 pts · 344d
Roald Dahl, The Twits
IndolentRoshi@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 344d
James Allen, As a Man Thinketh
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 343d
yeah i'll keep my wrinkles if it means i have to give up my passion
sturmblast@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 343d
I have eleven years on him, he looks terrible compared to me.. and I spent most of my adult life drinking fairly heavily, among other things. lol
passwordforgetter@lemmy.nz · -5 pts · 343d
I'm 34 and I don't think Charlie Kirk looked old or bitter. People need to stop wanking themselves into a gooning, salivating delusion that people with their views are good looking, whereas people with opposing views are ugly. People are so delusional in these echo chambers - they need to look in the mirror.
DreamAccountant@lemmy.world · 25 pts · 344d
Grass@sh.itjust.works · 23 pts · 344d
I guess we'll never get a live action prison school if he isn't around to be andre
CH3DD4R_G0BL1N@sh.itjust.works · 19 pts · 344d
These memes are the only legacy of his that I will miss. The magical feeling of not knowing if any given image has his face photoshopped or not has been a consistent joy for such a long time. All good things must come to an end.
pinheadednightmare@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 344d
RIP…… now about those Epstein files.
ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works · 19 pts · 344d
I enjoyed a nice day of being alive today.
SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world · 18 pts · 344d
I’m pretty sure he wasn’t shot in the face.
goldteeth@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 52 pts · 344d
Obviously not. Too small a target.
ickplant@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 344d
resipsaloquitur@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 344d
Remarkable, innit?
misteloct@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 17 pts · 343d
Jolly_Platypus@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 344d
Rest in piss.
Blackfeathr@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 344d
Well, this isn't the front page obituary that I was looking for, but I'm not complaining.
AlecSadler@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 14 pts · 344d
passwordforgetter@lemmy.nz · 1 pts · 343d
We won't see the full consequences for years. A lot of people saw Charlie killed and they're going to start questioning why people should be killed simply for offensive use of language.
SayJess@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 13 pts · 344d
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA Fuck face got what he deserved.
Finally, a good guy with a gun.
dan1101@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 344d
Oh no! Thoughts and prayers.
Anyway.
Saledovil@sh.itjust.works · 11 pts · 344d
Well, I hope he enjoys burning 🔥 in hell.
DioramaOfShit@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 344d
Any video of the shooting? I'd like to see it
TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 344d
You sure fam? They very graphic.
DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 344d
Eh, saw it, RE4 original dying to chainsaw dude was way more traumatizing than this shit
BleatingZombie@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 344d
But this is a human dying. Even if he was a bad human, it's still very different than a video game
belastend@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 6 pts · 344d
Dunno man, real people dying is more traumatizing to me that pixel on pixel violence.
chilicheeselies@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 344d
They really arent. Jve seen way worse
RVGamer06@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 344d
There's a partial one in this comment section
Resol@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 344d
Most tend to censor the exact moment of the shot. The ones that didn't were posted on YouTube, but I suspect they were deleted.
HugeNerd@lemmy.ca · 11 pts · 344d
Utah Saints! Utah Saints! U U U Utah saints!
Alienmonkey@mander.xyz · 1 pts · 344d
GaMEChld@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 344d
Karma comes for us all.
charonn0@startrek.website · 9 pts · 344d
I've never wished a man dead, but I have read some obituaries with satisfaction.
WanderWisley@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 344d
RIP bozo, it’s jover!
Jericho_One@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 344d
Anyone have the transcript of what he was talking about right before he was shot?
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world · 41 pts · 344d
From Snopes:
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Bang.
Gotta love that casual bigotry throughout.
Jericho_One@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 344d
Sidhean@piefed.social · 2 pts · 343d
I fucking forgot "Gang Violence" is just blacks and poors shooting on another. FUCK I felt like that was at least a good question (if your a Nazi who wants to muddy the waters, anyway), but nope- racism! "How many shootings or how many black shootings?" bang
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 343d
Every answer he gives is an accusation.
ook@discuss.tchncs.de · 1 pts · 343d
DreamAccountant@lemmy.world · 26 pts · 344d
Their entire speeches are christian nazi propaganda. So, he was talking about religion taking over the government, women having no rights, taking benefits from the children, disabled, and elderly, a police state responsible to no-one, forcing religious ideals on non-christian children, etc....
They're nazis. They talk about nazi goals. Openly and unabashedly. They will tell you they will hurt you if you're not a nazi, christian, or have the wrong color skin. That's their goal, and they're quite clear about it.
HorreC@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 344d
In the dumbest of time lines do you think this is a misdirection to make the news cycle stop talking about the epstein list and all the ties to him and his pedophilia?
knightly@pawb.social · 3 pts · 344d
Meh, some two-bit hack talking head isn't much of a distraction. It'd take a lot of luigis to distract from all the other the pedophiles in power.
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 6 pts · 343d
The Schadenfreude is flowing freely today.
krunklom@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 344d
AAAAAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 344d
He will become the Horst Wessel of MAGA.
venusaur@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 344d
Not if it keeps happening
lukaro@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 344d
They say there’s never anything good in the news!
bold_atlas@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 344d
AngryRobot@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 343d
I've been giddy for a day and a half over this. Rest is hell, you sick fuck!
mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 344d
Relevant user avatar lmao
Cocopanda@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 344d
Posted about this yesterday. Get ready for more to come. I said things will likely go back to how it was in the 1900-1910’s with political murders.
6stringringer@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 344d
“Prove ___ wrong.” Well now folks, how do we want to approach this angle?
Doorknob@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 344d
Americans.
BrilliantantTurd4361@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 344d
The day the democrats forced a vote and got shot down..
Sam_Bass@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 344d
FinishingDutch@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 344d
The guy was a fuckwit, but that looked like a rough way to go. Has to be hard for relatives, knowing that the video is out there.
TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 343d
It may have been horrific, but there is poetry is being a career apologist for gun violence, to them die in the act of apologizing and blaming minorities for gun violence, to then die from the bullet of a gun.
His very last work, was "violence".
Fedegenerate@lemmynsfw.com · 2 pts · 342d
Respectfully, his last word was:
TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 342d
PyroNeurosis@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 344d
It'd be tough, but they presumably had ample opportunities to identify and curtail his fuckwittery before it came to this.
ileftreddit@piefed.social · -15 pts · 344d
TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world · 31 pts · 344d
I mean, if you utterly lack nuance or a sense of irony.
The man in question quite famously, quite publicly, and quite repetitively argued the exact kind of violence exercised on him today is a necessary and acceptable consequence of the second amendment. Charlie Kirk has REPEATEDLY called for political violence against a multitude of other groups. The deceased is quite litterally an advocate for political violence.
So miss me with this cowardice, shit lib take.
DreamAccountant@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 344d
"Were those Americans happy when Hitler killed himself? Unbelievable! Is this how those nazis felt murdering millions? We're just as bad as they are!" - OP is hidden nazi in community. Fuck you.
Clbull@lemmy.world · -24 pts · 344d
Fucking wild that a right-wing YouTuber/social media influencer was assassinated on my birthday.
I'm genuinely sickened by how many people have been openly celebrating Charlie Kirk's death, like having conservative views or supporting the right to bear arms literally makes you Hitler in their eyes. His two young childen have been robbed of their father, and people are still cheering like they'd genuinely use his grave as a gender neutral toilet.
Also, I worry this is going to be America's Reichstag Fire or Kristallnacht moment. This could very well lead to pogroms against leftists and ethnic minorities.
lorski@sopuli.xyz · 25 pts · 343d
He was a lot worse than that - he was a legit purveyor of hate.
passwordforgetter@lemmy.nz · 0 pts · 339d
I'm pretty sure the first one is fake and the second one is a joke. Nobody gets sweaty and nervous because a black person is the captain or co-pilot. He's just making a joke about DEI which was going around recently. Some of his opinions may be ridiculous but we've all said ridiculous things. I didn't know anything about Charlie Kirk until this week, I'm actually quite impressed with his college debates. He was giving people political experience and being really decent with people, he even discouraged crowds from jeering the speakers.
Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz · 11 pts · 344d
He was literally in the process of blaming trans people and black people for school shootings.
We are celebrating a fascist no longer being able to encourage violence against marginalized people.
Gloomy@mander.xyz · -6 pts · 343d
Which is wild, because the fact that you are celebrating instead of a normal reaction (like, i don't know, feel bad for his family or something) will lead to them feeling confirmed in their hate towards the left.
Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz · 6 pts · 343d
You don't make progress by eulogizing someone who spent their life justifying violence against marginalized people.
His family can confront the hours of evidence he was a piece of shit and the families of the victims whose killers were motivated by his lies.
Gloomy@mander.xyz · -2 pts · 343d
I'm not eulogizing Kirk at all. The guy got famous by spreading hate and lies. I'm not denying that he had a negative influence, nor am i saying that we have to tolerate this.
But being a hateful lying asshole doesn't mean that a person needs to be just that (they can be a loving father at the same time, for example), nor that they don't have the potential for change.
In addition i am convinced that violence will lead to more violence. I'm not saying that we shouldn't speak up and fight against fascism. But by escalating the situation through violence we are justifying their view of the left as bad people.
For both of these reasons i am not celebrating this murder, but i condemn it.
SunSunFuego@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 343d
they already hate the left. they just need a reason to take action. don't be delusional.
Gloomy@mander.xyz · -1 pts · 343d
I'd much prefer that they hated the left for made up shit (like trans or gac people being pedophiles) than for things where i have to reluctantly admit that they have a point (like the left celebrating a fellow humans death).
I can say that hate breeds hate and that his killing was a direct consequence of the environment he helped create. But i don't support that violence. I don't support the murder of a human being, even of someone i perceive as a bad person.
SunSunFuego@lemmy.ml · 10 pts · 343d
cry about it. him abd his extended circle killed far more people with their actions. they're just not as blatant as a bullet to the neck :)
passwordforgetter@lemmy.nz · -1 pts · 339d
You mean he sniped people with his words? lol, get real kid.
SunSunFuego@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 339d
a bullet to the neck doesn't look as graceful as deporting thousands
TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 343d
This guy's propaganda helped result in the unnecessary deaths of millions during the pandemic.
SirActionSack@aussie.zone · 8 pts · 343d
Kirk was pro death penalty and thought children should watch executions.
https://www.newsweek.com/charlie-kirk-death-penalty-public-executions-1873073
If you're going to wring your hands over what people are saying about Kirk while ignoring the horrible shit he said then YOU are the problem.
If you're going to say shit like "this is going to be America's Reichstag" while ignoring the assassination of two democrats a few months ago and ignoring the attempted murder of Pelosi's husband then YOU are the problem.
Glytch@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 343d
Charlie was against empathy, you are being disrespectful by showing empathy to him and his family. Stop.
Also stop referencing the Reichstag fire as though the gestapo isn't already rounding up immigrants and dissidents. You're just afraid they'll start targeting people who look like you (something that was already in the plan, btw).
MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 343d
I agree that we should not ever celebrate someone's death. Violence isn't the answer. Sometimes it's required to defend yourself, but it doesn't solve problems.
With all that being said, if you think that motivation for his killing was that he was a right wing, 2nd amendment type, well, I've got some land in Australia I'd like to sell you.
The guy was genuinely horrible to a lot of non conservatives, and thought gun violence was "a small price to pay" for the second amendment.
Others have detailed his horrific viewpoints far better than I could, so I'll just leave it at that.
As much as I don't condone violence, I'm not going to get sad about someone I didn't know, who held beliefs I don't agree with, has died. I have some measure of sympathy for his kids. His spouse knew who they were marrying, so I have less sympathy for them, but the kids, in my opinion, are the victims in all of this, if anyone. They didn't ask for this guy to be their father, and they certainly don't deserve to lose their father in such a public and very visible way. I have zero doubts that they will eventually see the footage that's floated around the Internet, if they have not seen it already. That's a tragedy. They'll have to see, in full color, the last moments of their fathers life.
I can only imagine the kind of trauma that could impart. I truly feel bad for those kids.
passwordforgetter@lemmy.nz · 1 pts · 339d
Thousands of people saw the video of him being killed, that's not great either. Luckily I've seen worse, I'm now immune, but a lot of zoomers just saw graphic violence for the first time and they will have problems with mood and sleep for a while.
MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 339d
Multiply that 1000 fold for his biological kids.
I am also immune. I've been on the Internet so long that I can accurately recreate the connection handshake tones from a modem. My first DSL line was 6mbps, and that was blisteringly fast at the time.
bilb@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 343d
Oh no, not your heckin birthday! What are you now, 10?
dirigibles@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 343d
Appreciate you saying this. I too worry that some will take this event as a call to action. We all need to chill with this left/right nonsense. These are our brothers and sisters that are getting killed. I don't care if they had bad opinions, nothing good comes from celebrating a murder.
passwordforgetter@lemmy.nz · 0 pts · 339d
I'm in New Zealand so I don't care if revenge killings claim lives, let Americans fight for control of their country lol. That said, there are plenty of us who are reasonable, the problem is with the "neuro-diverse" teenagers and twenty-something year olds on Lemmy and other left-wing echo chambers. These people who never had a real job in their life, they just work in government office jobs and live with mum and dad. Of course they're brainwashed. I just hope that they grow up soon. Ideology isn't something that you have to believe to the letter. Nobody has to live their whole live according to ideology. It'll only lead to that person becoming miserable.
Gloomy@mander.xyz · -6 pts · 343d
Thank you! I am shocked how few here understand that violence as an answer to hate will only further deepen the spiral of hate and violence. Y'all feel justified because the guy was a transhating fascist, but the right will see you guys celebrate and only take it as confirmation that the left are literal demons that have no empathy for two children robbed of their father.
TangledHyphae@lemmy.world · -37 pts · 343d
Why is this site full of constant hatred and far-left psychopathy? No difference of opinions or dialogue. I guess I need to stick to reddit unfortunately. But this is why the left are going to lose the elections for the next 8 years, so congrats on the hateful rhetoric, I recommend becoming even more unhinged to push even more people away from that alignment. Seal your fate forever.
TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 343d
Because a guy whose entire role in the world was to develop a program of political violence, dying to political violence; well thats just fucking hilarious.
I mean his very last words were quite litterally trying to justify the kind of violence that he died from: 👌🫦 💦
And your reaction: Its even MORE hilarious.
The losers/ creeps/ idiots calling this "WAR" are the same idiots/ losers/ creeps that were calling Cracker Barrel changing their logo "WAR": No sane person takes them seriously.
Its a great thing that he's gone. He was human filth. He was doing real damage to the social fabric and the only people outraged by the reaction to a human poop nugget getting what he deserved are also people actively tearing at the social fabric of human society.
Fuck Charlie Kirk, fuck Trump, and fuck any fascist apologist who make any excuses for them.
CriticalMiss@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 343d
Not sure if “hilarious” is the right term considering it was very expected. If you live by the sword you die by the sword.
nfreak@lemmy.ml · 17 pts · 343d
Dead nazis deserve no sympathy.
TangledHyphae@lemmy.world · -16 pts · 343d
Keep calling everyone you disagree with Nazis and see how many elections you win after this.
Squirrelanna@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 20 pts · 343d
He advocated for the eradication of trans people and the party he worked for is literally ethnically cleansing the US. Yes, we are calling Nazis Nazis.
nfreak@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 343d
No see that's just a difference of opinion, a conservative viewpoint, surely that doesn't make someone a nazi, right? it's different! totally different!
EDIT: feels like I apparently need to make it clear that this is sarcasm and all conservatives are in fact nazis.
TangledHyphae@lemmy.world · -10 pts · 343d
Can you link me to anything on youtube where he called for eradication of trans people? Curious to watch it.
kuhli@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 343d
He has not said "trans people should be elimitated" but you don't have to read between the lines to see that's what he advocated for.
Watch the video here: https://x.com/ErinInTheMorn/status/1626747081275715585
AngryRobot@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 343d
Nuance is lost on the MAGAts.
Squirrelanna@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 341d
Thank you, I just started new medicine right after I posted that and the brain fog is making it a struggle to find stuff.
nfreak@lemmy.ml · 7 pts · 343d
imagine thinking electoral politics matter lol
and gee idk someone literally spouting nazi ideology every single day just might be a nazi lol
TangledHyphae@lemmy.world · -8 pts · 343d
Can you link me to any video of him spouting nazi ideology? I'm curious to watch it.
RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 343d
https://youtu.be/n_b7SRBiZN4
TangledHyphae@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 343d
I don't see any video or audio footage of Charlie in that video. It's just audio of a woman saying stuff. What am I missing?
RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 343d
I guess the part where he's hanging out with one, supporting him, and shaking his hand with a grin. The part where he is supporting a Nazi.
ook@discuss.tchncs.de · 0 pts · 343d
PapaStevesy@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 343d
I bet you are...
TangledHyphae@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 343d
Clever girl.
PapaStevesy@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 343d
Nazi prick
RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 343d
Maybe just stop building literal concentration camps, and celebrating having people abducted to fill them, very much like the literal Nazis. How about that? Stop being Nazis, and people will stop calling you Nazis, probably.
jnod4@lemmy.ca · 9 pts · 343d
Blud they just tried to assassinate a senator and hid wife in Minnesota in June... They've been bombing and burning, shooting clinics for so many years
zenitsu@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 343d
Lefties can only aspire to be as free of hateful rhetoric as the angels of the right. Remember when Biden released 1500 violent conspiratards after they attacked the capitol, which resulted in the death of multiple people? thanks Obama
RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 343d
Hello? I told you to explain to me why Charlie Kirk jerked his wad to little children getting fucked and murdered. Explain. Now, please.
RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 343d
I don't know. Why does Donald Trump fuck little kids, and have innocent brown people kidnapped off the streets? And why did Kirk support that? Why did Donald Trump attempt, incompetently to weaponize an epidemic, and allow it to spiral into a pandemic? And why did Kirk support that? Why did Charlie Kirk advocate for children getting mowed down by automatic weapons, so he can go hunt innocent animals? Why was he such an asshole? Answer those questions first, since they all happened first. Then I'll tell you why I laughed at his Kool Aid Fountain neck.
LesbiansMadeMeGay@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 343d
He did more than to bring violence to my community than nearly any other public figure. He may not have personally pulled a trigger or struck a blow, but I know for sure he would not have shed a tear over any of the transgender or minority deaths he encouraged. Why do you expect me to do anything but repay him in kind.
Wilco@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 343d
Constant hate? Ha.
I wouldn't have wished harm on this MAGA weirdo or any other MAGA crazies. MAGA are the ones actually posting for retaliation violence. I have lost sympathy for the pedophile worshipping MAGA cult.
However, I am going to laugh my ass off when stuff like this happens to hate filled bigots.
passwordforgetter@lemmy.nz · -1 pts · 339d
Let the revenge killings begin, it's the only way the left will learn.
TangledHyphae@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 339d
It sure does seem that way. They think they have carte blanche to murder or commit violence towards anybody they want, but they've awakened a quiet giant. This is not going to turn out how they want no matter how much misinformation and circlejerking they spread around here.
passwordforgetter@lemmy.nz · 2 pts · 335d
I'm late to reply, but I don't think we'll see anything in the near future. I'd bet on a doomsday scenario where democrats are elected and republicans panic over mass-importing of voters (real or not) and see no solution. I don't think many people would justify any sort of revenge while Trump is president. Right now it looks like people are unifying and peacefully remembering Charlie Kirk. Liberty Hangout had some interviews and people in the videos were optimistic.