Post scarcity is kind of an odd man out here. The idea predates tech broism by a solid half century, and informs a lot of contemporary leftist theory. There is nothing inherently wrong with using utopian thinking as a guiding principle for iterative policy. I'd argue that anything which doesn't do that is cynicism.
It occurs to me that I'd argue we're heading towards a forced scarcity society rather than post scarcity. That's the only way they can make sure we don't get a Star Trek type future if/when we figure out fusion power. Hell, we've already basically been able to feed everyone for ages.
Or just the fact that grocery stores throw away thousands of tons of perfectly edible food every day while there are people dying of malnutrition. They aren't starving, they are being starved.
If memory serves right the grocery store thing isn't even the fault of the grocers. It's regulators due to the fact there was a couple high profile instances of handing bad food to food banks to abuse the tax deductions.
Nope. For example, at closing time, they throw away all the baked goods and get new ones tomorrow because otherwise they wouldn't be able to advertise them as "freshly baked".
tbh i'm happy whenever someone at least acknowledges the tension between these two facets.
anyway my actual point, imo the "too many humans" propaganda is part of the forced scarcity lobby. there's perhaps too many humans to live as wastefully as we are, so why wouldn't reducing waste be our #1-3 top priorities?
but waste is more 'profitable' (in short term), so we go all in - while pretending Us Living & Others Not-Living is a moral obligation on our part wtflol
We aren't heading towards that. We're already in a forced scarcity society, and have been for at least 25, if not 30 years. That's why all these "economic bubbles" keep happening. The ultra rich worldwide have hoarded $350,000,000,000,000 at the expense of the other 8,000,000,000 people. Maybe 5000 people have more than $50,000,000 in personal wealth. Not only do they have nothing to spend it on, they keep throwing trillions of dollars into the latest dumpster fire of an "investment," so they don't have to pay $0.01 to anyone that isn't them.
If we killed the obstructions to progress and innovation, who are nothing but leeches, then we may have to kill 5000 people, but everyone in the world would be able to have a $400,000 stake in The Sovereign Fund for Humanity's Poor, paying out an average of $20,000 a year per person while reinvesting 95% of the ROI. When you're dealing with 100's of Trillions of dollars, I have no idea what ROI % you could reasonably maintain, but 13.5% would mean that everyone on earth doubles their fund, and therefore their yearly payout every 7.8 years.
It would take around 500 years to finally give the richest people in the world their trust fund, but that's far faster than our ancestors thought that utopia and UBI could happen, and none of them could have more than $50,000,000 in personal wealth. The poorest get their funds first so that the economy can grow quickly enough to hit an economic singularity.
There is also nothing inherently wrong with "optimization" and "automation". It's just that they are buzzwords and how the tech bros approach these topics.
While post scarcity is excellent and I do believe it is possible in theory, it's used as a buzzword to handwave away all the dystopian things being pushed.
What happens is that they “triage” you, where depending on how you answer their script you get cops at your door and a trip to hell on earth, or you are on hold for 20 minutes to speak with someone who also is reading a script and doesn’t give a rats ass about you.
Maybe states that aren’t Oklahoma have mental hospitals which are preferable to drinking yourself to sleep, but who knows.
That's awful. I'm sorry the local resources available to you are horrific. I'm sorry I sound like a fucking robot. I'm treading lightly. I'm not an expert. I don't know what you or people reading this may be going through.
If the crisis line is going to send a psychopath with a gun to your home, do not ring that line.
There are international resources available that don't dispatch armed units to your exact location. I haven't used any of them, so I can't vouch for them.
There is no one size fits all solution for a crisis. As I understand it, the main goal is just to get the person in crisis talking to another human being. Apparently that helps a lot.
It doesn't have to be a crisis line. It could just be someone who might care.
Please go well, friend. I truly hope you have brighter days ahead.
I’m honestly better. I’ve worked on a game plan to get the fuck out of this state.
I just want to raise awareness of how absolutely shit mental healthcare is in southern states. We absolutely need a federal investigation into how behavioral health care crises are treated. Oklahoma City cops and jail guards have probably killed at least a dozen people this year, and there are no eyes on what’s happening.
Imo there is no meaning to life, everyone decides for themselves what to live for.
If someone likes the fact that we are made from starstuff, why yuck that yum specifically? It is kind of a nice perspective to take sometimes when life gets stressful.
It is also a part of a nice song by Joni Mitchell and a nice speech by Carl Sagan, both people I admire, but not something I think about a lot...
I do think human exceptionalism will cause the extinction if humanity unless humans figure a way out of the idea that humans arent just monkeys who figured out how to manipulate fire, rocks and electricity. There are individually exceptional humans no doubt, but we're not really special from a biological standpoint, at least not more biologically special than say a sperm whale or octopus, etc
The thing about Anarchy is that, for many people, the cashless society where you own nothing and are fully removed from the machine of industry is already here. Its just called "poverty".
The problem is that this kind of poverty isn't equally distributed. You've still got this large, heavily armed occupying force that preserves money, capital, and the painful prodding of induced productivity for everyone else.
I mean scientifically speaking, we are all made of stardust. Everything in the universe is. Including the existential crisis your trying to forget by disassociating.
Well let's see, I got some sativa, some hybrid, a little acid, a lot of shrooms, some leftover ketamine. I'll be OK for the night, but I should stock up tomorrow, god knows what the Supreme Court will decide by Monday.
I take exception with the mixing of the stone cold fact that we're all stardust with all that other crap.
It is good to be able to vape some weed and watch beautiful videos about amazing mind-blowing shit that actually exists, and not automatically entertain whatever magical/religious/supernatural idea is making the rounds in your neck of the woods.
I choose neither, and instead day dream about fully automated luxury gay space communism, knowing I'm gonna die before such a thing could ever come to fruition.
Basically the dark shadows of the Hippy Age Of Aquarius and sandal-wearing tech Utopianism corrupted Into evil by the baby boomers ageing into the dominant political class in the West.
At this point they basically have all the money and all the votes that they need, not to mention the cognitive dissonance they are capable of withstanding is absolutely INSANE
I just want to drop in and call out "death is a design flaw" specifically. It is not. Without death, there can be no evolution, and any change to the environment is extinction.
The mountains seem eternal, but there were forests before many of them, and though the trees will be different in the distant eons when the mountains are worn to nothing, the forests will live on.
Hmm, why can't there be evolution without death? As long as organisms reproduce, genes are passed on, and some reproduce more successfully than others, why would it matter if existing individuals stay around or not? I don't see how it makes evolution fundamentally impossible.
death is what paves the way for change. Old ideas literally die out, since the dawn of time. The passing of strategy and technique happens in even single celled organisms
the laws of thermodynamics though, you eventually die. You eventually spend resources, you eventually have to obtain more, etc. Unless you are perfect, you may be killed unless you know your environment perfectly, no?
That's pretty cool in nature, especially with plants and fungi that don't think. But applying it to people is kinda eugenics-y. "Billions should die so that our genes can improve"
Oh, giving ourselves endless lifespans is a fine endeavor. We've got plenty of ways to adapt to changing environments without changing our bodies, and we're pretty close to being able to do that without dying and evolving anyway. Shit might get weird, but it always does with us.
Based. I always think stories about "immortality is bad actually" are weird because people are fundamentally capable of change. Lots of people choose not to change, but I think that's because the boredom in their life is smaller than other forces like poverty, oppression, trauma, and culture. Give people infinite time to heal from their traumas and I think they eventually will. I think enlightenment is a more stable state than ignorance.
This is interesting because you propose that eugenics is inherently bad because it requires a lot of sacrifice, is that right? Because it doesn't have to. This line from Gattaca always stuck with me:
[Vincent's parents are planning a second child, and are shown four candidate embryos]
Geneticist: We want to give your child the best possible start. Believe me, we have enough imperfection built in already. Your child doesn't need any more additional burdens. Keep in mind, this child is still you. Simply, the best, of you. You could conceive naturally a thousand times and never get such a result.
I could argue, could, that not doing eugenics on this level would be immoral. If we can use science to make people less prone to disease, to make them stronger and smarter, why wouldn't we? I'm not a fucking nazi here, I'm looking for a serious debate. We are already doing this in a different categorical scope with modern medicine. If we claim that all births must be "natural", then perhaps disease and death are also "natural" and we shouldn't intervene, and do without medical science and just have nature run its natural course.
I don't want parents to be able to choose whether their kids are autistic, because there's nothing wrong with us, but society would rather change us than change the world so it can accommodate us.
We're not just talking about autism here though. We're talking about hereditary diseases, maybe a bad back, extreme allergies, etc. Their point is that if we had the technology to prevent our future child from carrying all sorts of genetic burdens (exposure to cancer, compromised immune system, terrible eyesight...) wouldn't it be immoral to not use that technology?
I'm not saying that this kind of thing cannot be used for bad purposes. I'm asking the philosophical question of where our moral obligation to do everything we can to give our children the best possible life begins.
Should we let them be born "as is", and then have a moral obligation to do everything we can to make the best of whatever genetic baggage they have, or should we do whatever is in our power even before they're born to give them a better shot at a good life?
Explosives have caused enormous amounts of death, but also allowed enormous amounts of people to live in safer, more affordable houses, and have been critical for mineral extraction that essentially makes modern society possible, as well as modern transportation infrastructure. Explosives, like most technology, aren't an inherently "evil" thing, even though they're used for bad purposes.
Legitimately why I picked up tarot reading though. I needed an introspective mindfulness activity. I used to do cognitive behavioral therapy with spreadsheets. It was informative but exhausting. I think it gave me a good set of foundational concepts, but realistically humans are just fundamentally meant to surround themselves with pretty rocks while talking about how much they personally relate to shared culturally inherited stories. And I just love explaining Gnosticism to people in the most chaotic way possible.
Looking at the completely undesirable and incomprehensible bits of reality is bad for the psyche if you think that death is inevitable. Otherwise you're just looking for clues.
I once liked the idea of being part of some new age, neo pagan group and mindset and being 'outside the mainstream' but the more time passes the more I regress into a hole of solititude that no one can breach.
Even last summer I wanted to see if I could finally go out and find a girlfriend... now I am seriously going back in my hole.
I've found that trying to find a girlfriend is futile. I'm 45 and have girlfriends whenever I want to deal with that level of drama and commitment.
The trick is to go out and find groups that are also into your hobbies. If you are actively improving yourself to get better at a hobby seems to be attractive to everyone, though I will admit that far more homosexual or bisexual guys hit on me than women, unless I should count the compliments I get, those come from women more often than men, but I don't know how to gracefully receive a compliment. My standard response is "Thanks, umm [insert something complimentary towards the person in question.]"
The only thing that seems to be more attractive than my previous advise is to be wearing a wedding band. That comes with problems you don't want to deal with though.
It's funny, just yesterday I looked at RAM prices randomly for the first time in months, thought "wow, that's high", and today I see reference after reference after reference about how high it is.
At night, to stop myself thinking, I invent characters and insert them into random universes.
Spring Knight
He's a grayish humanoid from another planet, highly homogeneous to his somewhat androgynous species. It's a very windy planet overrun with fire-breathing flying lizards, devoid of any large plantlife. As a result projectile warfare never properly evolved, and all structures are built with fortified stone underground, and the humanoids are highly communal and sleep in large dormitories which they're constantly rebuilding due to attacks from the surface lizards, who are their primary source of heat and food. As a result they've not developed beyond our medieval age by much, but are good at forging metal using fire from the baby lizards they capture/enslave.
Their primary weapon/tool is a combination of a pogo-stick, a sword, and a slaver's club. Essentially, imagine a chest-high sword which is sharp on one edge and tapers out blunt on the other, but instead of a pointy end it has a blunt flap you can stand on coming out. The whole sword shaft is made of two sections, and has several very strong and very efficient springs within it that allows the sword to compress like a pogo stick. (The metal has properties that has a small compression ratio, but stupendously high compression potential).
This tool, when used in unison with others holding the same, is a formidable weapon for killing/subduing the surface lizards. The main point of attack is a running sprint towards your target, sword swings forward, and then you step one foot on the flap, hit the release on the hilt, and you are launched upwards and forwards 30 feet, where you can then use the rolling motion to grip the sword into a spinning attack.
After a fire breach, our character stumbles into a fractured cavern to escape the chaos and plummets seemingly towards his death but is somehow transported to Earth's DCAU. There he learns english, teams up with the Teen Titans to fight crime, and slowly begins to learn individualism whilst dealing with the crushing loneliness of being away from his hive.
I honestly think most of these bugfuck crazy views stem from we humans not having evolved to deal with the modern world. People feed us the simple answers we crave.
We were meant to subsist off of grubs, berries, and whatever your extended family could hunt as we trekked around, dying randomly of infections and bear attacks. Then some fucking asshole started farming and it's all been downhill since!
Depends on how literally you mean it, in general, those most likely to say it wont think that humans are literally designed not to die and only do so because someone made a mistake, but more that humans might be redesigned or modified not to (or at least not from biological aging). Not a hard to find sentiment if you hang out in spaces with transhumanists, but I find the ones that overlap with AI bros, that tend to have an attitude like "this will totally happen in my lifetime and with no effort because the AI singularity is going to come and give us everything in a few years" impossible to talk to, because all too often they will cite even the tiniest listed improvement in any AI system as proof that literally everything possible or impossible is about to happen and then insist you arent paying attention when you give them skeptcism.
Yes, there are people who believe we will find a way to transcend death via technology. I personally think a world ruled by immortal omniwealthy methusalas that will never let even death release their boot from the necks of the common man is a bad thing, but...
Once I read a creepypasta where the wealthy spent a lot of money paying research and development of immortality, only achieving a worse version of cancer. The wealthy obviously went dead.
That's the good ending. Bad ending is it works and the dictators of the world crush everyone else, tantalizing just enough people with the immortality carrot to make the system eternal.
I participated in a few crypto UBI projects years ago. The tech isn't there yet, but most people have decided to just pretend it's fine to trust someone instead.
Any crypto UBI project (or any crypto IMHO) with a central party in any official capacity is doomed to fail.
This one is empirically falsified. I never heard it before, and even though I can believe somebody is saying it somewhere, it's an incredibly stupid thing to say.
More than three years ago we founded Worldcoin with the ambition of creating a new identity and financial network owned by everyone; the rollout begins today. If successful, we believe Worldcoin could drastically increase economic opportunity, scale a reliable solution for distinguishing humans from AI online while preserving privacy, enable global democratic processes, and eventually show a potential path to AI-funded UBI.
I believe this is an idea most legitimately championed by Nick Bostrom. Here is a video explaining his perspective.
I feel like, at least from the stance of abstract philosophy, he makes some good points. And I'm not enough of a philosopher to refute them (though I'm sure some have). Personally, my stance is "I'll cross that bridge when I arrive at it" - I expect to die before that happens.
Mechanicus tech priests would serve the emperor and The Omnissiah better by trying to understand the inner workings of their toasters, rather than praying to old technology that isn't intelligent.
Praise The Omnissiah, and to a much lesser extent Belasarius Cawl.
Well, I'm already sort-of the right one. I made an AI organize my documents, suggest articles for me to learn from, etc. I vent to AI, I ask AI for advice, AI is secretly running my life in the background.
I always remember someone that came to my country, Chile, without getting a visa, because chat GPT told them they didn't need a visa, they were denied entry and had to flew back.
Was that you?
and there is increasing evidence of a correlation of "AI therapy" and suicides, or AI emotional dependency in general, character AI is really good at killing autistic people too.
I want science and progress, but progress at the service of the wellbeing of mankind, not to enrich idiots who outsourced their critical thinking to chat GPT.
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socsa@piefed.social · 67 pts · 259d
Post scarcity is kind of an odd man out here. The idea predates tech broism by a solid half century, and informs a lot of contemporary leftist theory. There is nothing inherently wrong with using utopian thinking as a guiding principle for iterative policy. I'd argue that anything which doesn't do that is cynicism.
killea@lemmy.world · 42 pts · 259d
It occurs to me that I'd argue we're heading towards a forced scarcity society rather than post scarcity. That's the only way they can make sure we don't get a Star Trek type future if/when we figure out fusion power. Hell, we've already basically been able to feed everyone for ages.
vateso5074@lemmy.world · 26 pts · 259d
hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 13 pts · 259d
Or just the fact that grocery stores throw away thousands of tons of perfectly edible food every day while there are people dying of malnutrition. They aren't starving, they are being starved.
vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 258d
If memory serves right the grocery store thing isn't even the fault of the grocers. It's regulators due to the fact there was a couple high profile instances of handing bad food to food banks to abuse the tax deductions.
hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 258d
Nope. For example, at closing time, they throw away all the baked goods and get new ones tomorrow because otherwise they wouldn't be able to advertise them as "freshly baked".
brbposting@sh.itjust.works · 9 pts · 259d
So we need cultured post-scarcity, the lab-grown stuff
ganymede@lemmy.ml · 7 pts · 259d
tbh i'm happy whenever someone at least acknowledges the tension between these two facets.
anyway my actual point, imo the "too many humans" propaganda is part of the forced scarcity lobby. there's perhaps too many humans to live as wastefully as we are, so why wouldn't reducing waste be our #1-3 top priorities?
but waste is more 'profitable' (in short term), so we go all in - while pretending Us Living & Others Not-Living is a moral obligation on our part wtflol
AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 258d
We aren't heading towards that. We're already in a forced scarcity society, and have been for at least 25, if not 30 years. That's why all these "economic bubbles" keep happening. The ultra rich worldwide have hoarded $350,000,000,000,000 at the expense of the other 8,000,000,000 people. Maybe 5000 people have more than $50,000,000 in personal wealth. Not only do they have nothing to spend it on, they keep throwing trillions of dollars into the latest dumpster fire of an "investment," so they don't have to pay $0.01 to anyone that isn't them.
If we killed the obstructions to progress and innovation, who are nothing but leeches, then we may have to kill 5000 people, but everyone in the world would be able to have a $400,000 stake in The Sovereign Fund for Humanity's Poor, paying out an average of $20,000 a year per person while reinvesting 95% of the ROI. When you're dealing with 100's of Trillions of dollars, I have no idea what ROI % you could reasonably maintain, but 13.5% would mean that everyone on earth doubles their fund, and therefore their yearly payout every 7.8 years.
It would take around 500 years to finally give the richest people in the world their trust fund, but that's far faster than our ancestors thought that utopia and UBI could happen, and none of them could have more than $50,000,000 in personal wealth. The poorest get their funds first so that the economy can grow quickly enough to hit an economic singularity.
Tryenjer@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 258d
Well said! This is what would happen, in fact, it's already happening in some sectors.
dev_null@lemmy.ml · 7 pts · 259d
There is also nothing inherently wrong with "optimization" and "automation". It's just that they are buzzwords and how the tech bros approach these topics.
Godric@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 259d
While post scarcity is excellent and I do believe it is possible in theory, it's used as a buzzword to handwave away all the dystopian things being pushed.
1984@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 258d
Humans have created all scarcity, because we think money is more important than human happiness.
Or at least we go along with that system and cant change it.
Assassassin@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 41 pts · 259d
I choose death
tourist@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 259d
Depending on how serious you are:
Choose weed instead
Or the crisis line. You probably already know where to find it. Help is available. You do not have to suffer alone. I love you homie.
Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world · 25 pts · 259d
He's an assassassin. He never said the death was his own...
Assassassin@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 21 pts · 259d
The asses are never safe
boonhet@sopuli.xyz · 3 pts · 259d
They be assin'
Assassassin@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 12 pts · 259d
Just kidding, unless given that exact choice lol. Weed has been a great help this year. Love you too fam, appreciate the thoughtful comment.
andros_rex@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 259d
What happens is that they “triage” you, where depending on how you answer their script you get cops at your door and a trip to hell on earth, or you are on hold for 20 minutes to speak with someone who also is reading a script and doesn’t give a rats ass about you.
Maybe states that aren’t Oklahoma have mental hospitals which are preferable to drinking yourself to sleep, but who knows.
tourist@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 259d
That's awful. I'm sorry the local resources available to you are horrific. I'm sorry I sound like a fucking robot. I'm treading lightly. I'm not an expert. I don't know what you or people reading this may be going through.
If the crisis line is going to send a psychopath with a gun to your home, do not ring that line.
There are international resources available that don't dispatch armed units to your exact location. I haven't used any of them, so I can't vouch for them.
There is no one size fits all solution for a crisis. As I understand it, the main goal is just to get the person in crisis talking to another human being. Apparently that helps a lot.
It doesn't have to be a crisis line. It could just be someone who might care.
Please go well, friend. I truly hope you have brighter days ahead.
andros_rex@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 258d
I’m honestly better. I’ve worked on a game plan to get the fuck out of this state.
I just want to raise awareness of how absolutely shit mental healthcare is in southern states. We absolutely need a federal investigation into how behavioral health care crises are treated. Oklahoma City cops and jail guards have probably killed at least a dozen people this year, and there are no eyes on what’s happening.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 259d
"Everyone and everything will end in my lifetime. I'll be here to see it all crumble just before I am incinerated in the blast."
is another popular escapist fantasy.
No one wants to believe they'll just have to hobble through a slow and painful decline.
explodicle@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 259d
I really really hope my beliefs about climate change are delusional.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 259d
Time will tell. But none of us will be here in 2100 to find out.
sem@piefed.blahaj.zone · 21 pts · 259d
We are all stardust though. Billion-year-old carbon.
halvar@lemy.lol · 8 pts · 259d
yes but do you consider that important in any way? if you do you are closer to the person on the left
sem@piefed.blahaj.zone · 17 pts · 259d
I would say it is a neutral fact.
Imo there is no meaning to life, everyone decides for themselves what to live for.
If someone likes the fact that we are made from starstuff, why yuck that yum specifically? It is kind of a nice perspective to take sometimes when life gets stressful.
It is also a part of a nice song by Joni Mitchell and a nice speech by Carl Sagan, both people I admire, but not something I think about a lot...
dreadbeef@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 259d
I do think human exceptionalism will cause the extinction if humanity unless humans figure a way out of the idea that humans arent just monkeys who figured out how to manipulate fire, rocks and electricity. There are individually exceptional humans no doubt, but we're not really special from a biological standpoint, at least not more biologically special than say a sperm whale or octopus, etc
Krelis_@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 258d
And we got to get ourselves
Back to the garden
sem@piefed.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 258d
He-deh, de-de-de-de-deh... 🎵🎶
1984@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 258d
Just our bodies.
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 259d
stepan@lemmy.cafe · 16 pts · 259d
we will make global anarchy by tomorrow. no more money, capitalism and suffering, trust
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 259d
The thing about Anarchy is that, for many people, the cashless society where you own nothing and are fully removed from the machine of industry is already here. Its just called "poverty".
The problem is that this kind of poverty isn't equally distributed. You've still got this large, heavily armed occupying force that preserves money, capital, and the painful prodding of induced productivity for everyone else.
GalacticGrapefruit@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 259d
Stellaris players: How it feels to have a Spiritualist empire on one side of your border and a Materialist empire on the other.
Godric@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 258d
My Pacifist Egalitarian Xenophile space elves: "Just be nice guys!"
GalacticGrapefruit@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 258d
You know... there's a Space Hippies AI Personality mod on Steam. It's actually really funny.
seraphine@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 14 pts · 259d
I have met the guy on the right irl. He was unbearable
HEXN3T@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 13 pts · 259d
im not even joking i will sooner become a shaman that lives in the middle of the woods than a techbro im so done with tech i swear
AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 258d
IMOHE that just means you are probably a software engineer
BrazenSigilos@ttrpg.network · 12 pts · 259d
I mean scientifically speaking, we are all made of stardust. Everything in the universe is. Including the existential crisis your trying to forget by disassociating.
dzsimbo@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 259d
And blue light does keep you awake. Are we team Esotheria?
andros_rex@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 259d
It’s kinda funny how popular Angel numbers are, when they were made up in the 90s someone who freely admits they are bullshit.
LaserTurboShark69@sh.itjust.works · 11 pts · 258d
Option 3:
Weed Wizard
abbiistabbii@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 258d
Option 4: "The revolution is coming and my chosen ideology will rise from the ashes."
vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 258d
Option 4:
Autistic Neo-Pagan
BanMe@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 258d
Well let's see, I got some sativa, some hybrid, a little acid, a lot of shrooms, some leftover ketamine. I'll be OK for the night, but I should stock up tomorrow, god knows what the Supreme Court will decide by Monday.
AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 258d
Option 4: multi classed Weed Wizard, Dweomersmith, Epic Dweomersmith, then Time Wizard.
Zink@programming.dev · 9 pts · 258d
I take exception with the mixing of the stone cold fact that we're all stardust with all that other crap.
It is good to be able to vape some weed and watch beautiful videos about amazing mind-blowing shit that actually exists, and not automatically entertain whatever magical/religious/supernatural idea is making the rounds in your neck of the woods.
AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 258d
What the fuck even is the blue light thing? Is that because of submarines?
Machinist@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 258d
I think there is scientific consensus or at least strong proof that blue light fucks up your circadian and reduces REM sleep.
Cellphones in bed are probably pretty bad for us. Don't think it affects midichlorians, tho.
It's after midnight and I gotta be up early, need to put the phone down.
Olgratin_Magmatoe@slrpnk.net · 9 pts · 259d
I choose neither, and instead day dream about fully automated luxury gay space communism, knowing I'm gonna die before such a thing could ever come to fruition.
explodicle@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 259d
That's just the guy on the right but with less hope and no capitalism.
Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 257d
No capitalism = more hope.
Olgratin_Magmatoe@slrpnk.net · 2 pts · 258d
Works for me
FluidBeef@quokk.au · 8 pts · 259d
Basically the dark shadows of the Hippy Age Of Aquarius and sandal-wearing tech Utopianism corrupted Into evil by the baby boomers ageing into the dominant political class in the West.
Bristlecone@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 259d
At this point they basically have all the money and all the votes that they need, not to mention the cognitive dissonance they are capable of withstanding is absolutely INSANE
DoubleDongle@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 259d
I just want to drop in and call out "death is a design flaw" specifically. It is not. Without death, there can be no evolution, and any change to the environment is extinction.
The mountains seem eternal, but there were forests before many of them, and though the trees will be different in the distant eons when the mountains are worn to nothing, the forests will live on.
dev_null@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 259d
Hmm, why can't there be evolution without death? As long as organisms reproduce, genes are passed on, and some reproduce more successfully than others, why would it matter if existing individuals stay around or not? I don't see how it makes evolution fundamentally impossible.
hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 259d
Without death you can't have reproduction, you'd get way too many organisms to be sustainable in any way.
dev_null@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 259d
That's an argument against the organisms viability, not against evolution being possible.
Alsjemenou@lemy.nl · 1 pts · 259d
Okay. So you're saying that evolution itself happens when there are too many organisms to sustain the population. That makes sense.
ivanafterall@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 259d
So we could go visit our great-great-great-great-great-great grandparents and they'd look like Jabba the Hutt. Holidays would be a beast.
dreadbeef@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 259d
death is what paves the way for change. Old ideas literally die out, since the dawn of time. The passing of strategy and technique happens in even single celled organisms
dev_null@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 257d
That is indeed what happens, and it is helpful. But I disagree evolution wouldn't happen without it.
dreadbeef@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 257d
the laws of thermodynamics though, you eventually die. You eventually spend resources, you eventually have to obtain more, etc. Unless you are perfect, you may be killed unless you know your environment perfectly, no?
dev_null@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 257d
Yeah, but that's an argument against being able to live forever, not an argument against evolution being able to happen, if you did.
MummysLittleBloodSlut@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 259d
That's pretty cool in nature, especially with plants and fungi that don't think. But applying it to people is kinda eugenics-y. "Billions should die so that our genes can improve"
DoubleDongle@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 259d
Oh, giving ourselves endless lifespans is a fine endeavor. We've got plenty of ways to adapt to changing environments without changing our bodies, and we're pretty close to being able to do that without dying and evolving anyway. Shit might get weird, but it always does with us.
MummysLittleBloodSlut@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 259d
Based. I always think stories about "immortality is bad actually" are weird because people are fundamentally capable of change. Lots of people choose not to change, but I think that's because the boredom in their life is smaller than other forces like poverty, oppression, trauma, and culture. Give people infinite time to heal from their traumas and I think they eventually will. I think enlightenment is a more stable state than ignorance.
tomiant@piefed.social · 2 pts · 259d
People often confuse being contrarian for being deep. If you don't want to live forever, you don't want to live right now.
tomiant@piefed.social · 2 pts · 259d
This is interesting because you propose that eugenics is inherently bad because it requires a lot of sacrifice, is that right? Because it doesn't have to. This line from Gattaca always stuck with me:
I could argue, could, that not doing eugenics on this level would be immoral. If we can use science to make people less prone to disease, to make them stronger and smarter, why wouldn't we? I'm not a fucking nazi here, I'm looking for a serious debate. We are already doing this in a different categorical scope with modern medicine. If we claim that all births must be "natural", then perhaps disease and death are also "natural" and we shouldn't intervene, and do without medical science and just have nature run its natural course.
MummysLittleBloodSlut@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 259d
I don't want parents to be able to choose whether their kids are autistic, because there's nothing wrong with us, but society would rather change us than change the world so it can accommodate us.
thebestaquaman@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 259d
We're not just talking about autism here though. We're talking about hereditary diseases, maybe a bad back, extreme allergies, etc. Their point is that if we had the technology to prevent our future child from carrying all sorts of genetic burdens (exposure to cancer, compromised immune system, terrible eyesight...) wouldn't it be immoral to not use that technology?
Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 257d
We're not, no. Sexual preference is genetic.
thebestaquaman@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 257d
I'm not saying that this kind of thing cannot be used for bad purposes. I'm asking the philosophical question of where our moral obligation to do everything we can to give our children the best possible life begins.
Should we let them be born "as is", and then have a moral obligation to do everything we can to make the best of whatever genetic baggage they have, or should we do whatever is in our power even before they're born to give them a better shot at a good life?
Explosives have caused enormous amounts of death, but also allowed enormous amounts of people to live in safer, more affordable houses, and have been critical for mineral extraction that essentially makes modern society possible, as well as modern transportation infrastructure. Explosives, like most technology, aren't an inherently "evil" thing, even though they're used for bad purposes.
Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 257d
And I'm saying it will be.
Vupware@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 259d
This is so overwhelmingly hyperbolic I’m not sure what to take from it
yermaw@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 259d
We scoff at them both, but seriously pick one and get comfortable, looking reality right in the butt-cheeks is bad for the soul.
ivanafterall@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 259d
Stop looking at the cheeks, grit those teeth, and give that anus a good gander.
(Full disclosure: I am not a therapist, but it's good advice.)
Apytele@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 258d
Legitimately why I picked up tarot reading though. I needed an introspective mindfulness activity. I used to do cognitive behavioral therapy with spreadsheets. It was informative but exhausting. I think it gave me a good set of foundational concepts, but realistically humans are just fundamentally meant to surround themselves with pretty rocks while talking about how much they personally relate to shared culturally inherited stories. And I just love explaining Gnosticism to people in the most chaotic way possible.
AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 258d
Looking at the completely undesirable and incomprehensible bits of reality is bad for the psyche if you think that death is inevitable. Otherwise you're just looking for clues.
yakko@feddit.uk · 1 pts · 259d
You say that as if nobody enjoys true crime. Seems like a skill issue to me
ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online · 6 pts · 258d
I once liked the idea of being part of some new age, neo pagan group and mindset and being 'outside the mainstream' but the more time passes the more I regress into a hole of solititude that no one can breach.
Even last summer I wanted to see if I could finally go out and find a girlfriend... now I am seriously going back in my hole.
captainlezbian@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 258d
Yeah I'm pagan, but like, I don't attend pagan events for good reason
AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 258d
I've found that trying to find a girlfriend is futile. I'm 45 and have girlfriends whenever I want to deal with that level of drama and commitment.
The trick is to go out and find groups that are also into your hobbies. If you are actively improving yourself to get better at a hobby seems to be attractive to everyone, though I will admit that far more homosexual or bisexual guys hit on me than women, unless I should count the compliments I get, those come from women more often than men, but I don't know how to gracefully receive a compliment. My standard response is "Thanks, umm [insert something complimentary towards the person in question.]"
The only thing that seems to be more attractive than my previous advise is to be wearing a wedding band. That comes with problems you don't want to deal with though.
Sibbo@sopuli.xyz · 5 pts · 259d
RAM prices going up
Godric@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 259d
It's funny, just yesterday I looked at RAM prices randomly for the first time in months, thought "wow, that's high", and today I see reference after reference after reference about how high it is.
tetris11@feddit.uk · 5 pts · 259d
At night, to stop myself thinking, I invent characters and insert them into random universes.
Spring Knight
He's a grayish humanoid from another planet, highly homogeneous to his somewhat androgynous species. It's a very windy planet overrun with fire-breathing flying lizards, devoid of any large plantlife. As a result projectile warfare never properly evolved, and all structures are built with fortified stone underground, and the humanoids are highly communal and sleep in large dormitories which they're constantly rebuilding due to attacks from the surface lizards, who are their primary source of heat and food. As a result they've not developed beyond our medieval age by much, but are good at forging metal using fire from the baby lizards they capture/enslave.
Their primary weapon/tool is a combination of a pogo-stick, a sword, and a slaver's club. Essentially, imagine a chest-high sword which is sharp on one edge and tapers out blunt on the other, but instead of a pointy end it has a blunt flap you can stand on coming out. The whole sword shaft is made of two sections, and has several very strong and very efficient springs within it that allows the sword to compress like a pogo stick. (The metal has properties that has a small compression ratio, but stupendously high compression potential).
This tool, when used in unison with others holding the same, is a formidable weapon for killing/subduing the surface lizards. The main point of attack is a running sprint towards your target, sword swings forward, and then you step one foot on the flap, hit the release on the hilt, and you are launched upwards and forwards 30 feet, where you can then use the rolling motion to grip the sword into a spinning attack.
After a fire breach, our character stumbles into a fractured cavern to escape the chaos and plummets seemingly towards his death but is somehow transported to Earth's DCAU. There he learns english, teams up with the Teen Titans to fight crime, and slowly begins to learn individualism whilst dealing with the crushing loneliness of being away from his hive.
yakko@feddit.uk · 2 pts · 259d
Far superior to the OCs above. Thanks
tetris11@feddit.uk · 2 pts · 259d
Thanks for reading the ramblings of my inner nightscape!
Godric@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 258d
Thanks for sharing this episode of Enter the Nightscape!
jali67@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 257d
What’s option 3?
NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 257d
Getting really into sleight of hand magic and smoking a lot of pot.
shalafi@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 259d
I honestly think most of these bugfuck crazy views stem from we humans not having evolved to deal with the modern world. People feed us the simple answers we crave.
Godric@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 259d
We were meant to subsist off of grubs, berries, and whatever your extended family could hunt as we trekked around, dying randomly of infections and bear attacks. Then some fucking asshole started farming and it's all been downhill since!
2910000@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 259d
I feel like "both" is also an option
Godric@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 258d
Never said you had to choose one or even any, but like all beings we must choose.
mechoman444@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 257d
I don't know how to put this to you guys but the one on the right is significantly more plausible than the one on the left.
Also I don't like turmeric.
capuccino@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 259d
Really? Are people out there that thinks that death is a design flaw? I know it's shitpost, but it's based on something after all
CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social · 11 pts · 259d
Depends on how literally you mean it, in general, those most likely to say it wont think that humans are literally designed not to die and only do so because someone made a mistake, but more that humans might be redesigned or modified not to (or at least not from biological aging). Not a hard to find sentiment if you hang out in spaces with transhumanists, but I find the ones that overlap with AI bros, that tend to have an attitude like "this will totally happen in my lifetime and with no effort because the AI singularity is going to come and give us everything in a few years" impossible to talk to, because all too often they will cite even the tiniest listed improvement in any AI system as proof that literally everything possible or impossible is about to happen and then insist you arent paying attention when you give them skeptcism.
Godric@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 259d
Yes, there are people who believe we will find a way to transcend death via technology. I personally think a world ruled by immortal omniwealthy methusalas that will never let even death release their boot from the necks of the common man is a bad thing, but...
capuccino@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 259d
Once I read a creepypasta where the wealthy spent a lot of money paying research and development of immortality, only achieving a worse version of cancer. The wealthy obviously went dead.
Godric@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 259d
That's the good ending. Bad ending is it works and the dictators of the world crush everyone else, tantalizing just enough people with the immortality carrot to make the system eternal.
binarytobis@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 259d
I’m also hung up on “Crypto is UBI”. Surely this is a one off crackpot quote and not a thing, right?
explodicle@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 259d
I participated in a few crypto UBI projects years ago. The tech isn't there yet, but most people have decided to just pretend it's fine to trust someone instead.
Any crypto UBI project (or any crypto IMHO) with a central party in any official capacity is doomed to fail.
binarytobis@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 258d
I feel like maybe we’re using different acronyms. Are you talking about Universal Basic Income?
marcos@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 259d
This one is empirically falsified. I never heard it before, and even though I can believe somebody is saying it somewhere, it's an incredibly stupid thing to say.
brbposting@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 259d
Oh almost forgot
https://world.org/cofounder-letter
It’s the iris scan one
marcos@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 259d
Oh, so a con-man, not a stupid man.
blarghly@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 259d
I believe this is an idea most legitimately championed by Nick Bostrom. Here is a video explaining his perspective.
I feel like, at least from the stance of abstract philosophy, he makes some good points. And I'm not enough of a philosopher to refute them (though I'm sure some have). Personally, my stance is "I'll cross that bridge when I arrive at it" - I expect to die before that happens.
hansolo@lemmy.today · 4 pts · 259d
OoooooooohPleaseNukeItFromSpace
nectar45@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 258d
People think death is a design flaw until they eventually end up being tortured for hundreds of years without being able to die
early_riser@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 258d
¿Por qué no los dos?
AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 258d
Mechanicus tech priests would serve the emperor and The Omnissiah better by trying to understand the inner workings of their toasters, rather than praying to old technology that isn't intelligent.
Praise The Omnissiah, and to a much lesser extent Belasarius Cawl.
Sanctus@anarchist.nexus · 3 pts · 259d
WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 257d
Well, I'm already sort-of the right one. I made an AI organize my documents, suggest articles for me to learn from, etc. I vent to AI, I ask AI for advice, AI is secretly running my life in the background.
A_Chilean_Cyborg@feddit.cl · 2 pts · 257d
I always remember someone that came to my country, Chile, without getting a visa, because chat GPT told them they didn't need a visa, they were denied entry and had to flew back.
Was that you?
and there is increasing evidence of a correlation of "AI therapy" and suicides, or AI emotional dependency in general, character AI is really good at killing autistic people too.WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 257d
Ok, I exaggerated a bit, but this depends on the person I think. For me, it is the only way to move ahead sometimes
A_Chilean_Cyborg@feddit.cl · 1 pts · 257d
I choose not to be an idiot.
I want science and progress, but progress at the service of the wellbeing of mankind, not to enrich idiots who outsourced their critical thinking to chat GPT.
Tigeroovy@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 258d
I’d rather just kill all 3 of us tbh.