I mean, it absolutely can become a problem if an entire population turns elderly and Theres no young people to take over businesses, care for the elderly, maintain critical infrastructure.
Say what you want about the capitalist ideals that hold this time important,if the birthrate hit 0% we would be facing societal collapse
Just an extreme example, but there are actual statistics out there I cant remember where a bunch of people much smarter than me figured out the "this is an emergency" percentage,
I mean... That societal collapse may be necessary at some point sooner rather than later- we need to downsize, we can chose to do it on our own terms or just run out the clock and smash into a brick wall. Maybe it's not a bad thing.
I'm semi serious. This isn't working out. I don't think so, and many with me don't think so. We can't keep doing things just because the system demands it, we should be doing what we decide is good and necessary first and then work towards those goals, instead of just doing more of everything and hope that it will magically turn out for the best.
I am aware of the problem space here and the high cost and risk of dramatically changing course and our way of governing societies, but if we don't, those problems will not be solved or diminish and we'll have to deal with it anyway. Capitalism will not save us.
Low birthrate means not enough to pay your retirement - it is not just a problem for companies - also for governments and taxes in the most socialist country.
Please explain how any society can work with an overweight of elderly? Watch Kurzgesagt's video about South Korea. They are looking into a society where every other person is above 65.
elders get to be alone, demented and taken care of by young people that earn little money to maintain themselves called nurses, and by a ponzi scheme for the rest of society.
1.5) in case the elder is mentally and physically fit, their needs are above a child's
we normalize end of life; reducing the number of elders vy their choice
we normalize battery babies; grown and born outside of a human; orphanage++
Reality of demographics don't allow for another solution.
At the same time, China’s population growth and economy are slowing. “The current population growth couldn't support economic growth,” explains Hongwei, meaning there has been a push to encourage heterosexual couples to have larger families to ensure an abundant future workforce.
::: spoiler Hence, the Chinese crackdown on LGBT+.
The ban on Grindr could be put down to China’s wider dislike of Western apps, which are often accused of being vehicles for foreign influence. But removing Blued and Finka, which were both developed in China, represents a “seismic change in government attitudes towards homegrown LGBT apps”, says Hongwei.
Before targeting Blued and Finka, the Chinese authorities led a campaign against authors of the “Boy's Love”, or Danmei, same-sex romance stories, some of which feature explicit love scenes between men.
Several Danmei writers, most of whom are female, have reported being arrested and questioned by the authorities, and in recent months two major Danmei sites have either shut down, or drastically reduced and toned down their content.
Today, “officially, those Three No’s are still in place, but we are seeing evidence that the space for LGBT+ communities is starting to shrink”, says Marc Lanteigne, associate professor of political science at the Arctic University of Norway.
Shanghai Pride shut down in 2020, and one year later the government shut down student LGBT+ accounts for “violating internet regulations”. Grindr disappeared in 2022, and in 2023 the Beijing LGBT Centre closed its doors after 15 years.
In June 2024, the Roxie, Shanghai's last officially lesbian bar, was forced to close “under pressure from the authorities".
“The authorities have been slowly chipping away at those spaces that were open previously,” says Hildebrandt.
With the closure of so many physical spaces, online networks had become “really the only places in which many members of the LGBT+ community could express their sexuality openly” he adds.
But in contemporary Chinese politics, “the Maoist principles about equality have more to do with uniformity,” says Hildebrandt. “You gain equality by being more like everybody else. You don't gain equality by being diverse.”
In a bid to create greater conformity within the population, “there has been a push in China to reinforce traditional family values and, in some cases, traditional masculine values,” adds Lanteigne.
Since the Covid pandemic, “the Chinese government has endorsed nationalist discourse and LGBT culture is seen as very politicised siding with Western ideologies”, says Hongwei.
“There's the impression that LGBTQ communities are by default connected to the West and could be seen as destabilising forces,” adds Lanteigne.
Broader political and social forces may be at work, but the result is a real loss of liberty for gay and queer people in China. Hildebrandt says: “There is a real sense that it’s become a more difficult environment to be openly gay."
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Implies Capitalism is not at fault, proceeds to outline precisely why State Capitalism is melting down over declining birthrate. This comment is so ironic it cured my anemia.
If every economy is capitalist no matter degree of government planning, regulation, & control, then by your standard non-capitalist economies are a myth.
Demand for population growth is a general problem of economic growth rather than type of economic system.
Even before capitalism, subsistence farmers would bear more children for the additional labor.
Central planning economies can be as or more destructive than the more capitalist ones: type of economy seems to have little bearing there, too.
The USSR aggressively industrialized & would consistently pursue economic growth (to raise standards of living).
It comes up in the Soviet constitution of 1977:
labor, free from exploitation, as the source of growth
continuous improvement of their living standards (art. 39)
Total emissions in the USSR in 1988 were about 79% of the US total. Considering that the Soviet GNP was only some 54% of that of the USA, this means that the Soviet Union generated 1.5 times more pollution than the USA per unit of GNP.
unnecessary hindrance to economic development and industrialization
and
By the 1990s, 40% of Russia's territory began demonstrating symptoms of significant ecological stress, largely due to a diverse number of environmental issues, including deforestation, energy irresponsibility, pollution, and nuclear waste.
And this generously glosses over the extent of water contamination, hazardous dumping of toxic & nuclear waste into oceans, etc.
The dependence on labor, capacity for environmental destruction, and demand for economic growth are not particular to any type of economy: they're general.
China isn't a communist country really. A state capitalist country would be better way to describe it, maybe. They participate in the markets and allow private ownership of companies. For instance BYD the fast coming EV manufacturer isn't majority owned by their federal government, but is subsidized by it.
People can argue if it is or isn't capitalism, but in the end that doesn't say communism. I'm no expert but I'd say maybe a social programs injected into a authoritarian capitalistic state.
Ehh, the capitalist class doesn't call the shots in China though, the party does. And their private corporations don't simply have shareholders, it has party representation embedded in the control structure making "ownership" moot because ultimately the party can veto or seize production at moments notice.
That being said, when Xi starts claiming socialism is inevitable, he does so to delay it's implementation.
Yeah companies like BYD have investors like Berkshire and Blackrock but the key is Wang Chuanfu who is in the party, and is the CEO and largest owner apparently. So he gets a lot of say in making himself richer apparently. Sounds like what Musk would have wanted for Tesla if he could have got MAGA off the EV hate
That just sounds like a reframing of "the party are the capitalist class" though.
If the party either controls the corporations or has the ability to seize control if their priorities aren't met, where does one group begin and the other end?
Wouldn't that have made the USSR capitalist as well? I think a key distinction is how authority within a party is established. If authority is derived from ownership then that is clearly capitalist. If authority is derived from the party itself, then that is something else.
We CAN sustain everybody we have now. It's just billionaires have decided it's more profitable to let a huge section of society suffer. The more suffering for us, the more profit for them. But you have to balance it, so it doesn't lead to revolt.
Thats what ends suffering. Not decreased birthrates, but instead death and revolt of those holding back food and shelter from those that need it, so they can raise prices on unsold units.
Not so sure, we are pulling resources out of the earth at a ridiculous rate. Even with green energy we are still reliant on mining for everything. Goods, fertilizer, the stuff for solar panels. We're going to run out of easy to access stuff sooner or later.
Degrowth is only an option after the dismantling lf capitalism. We are pulling unreasonable and unsustainable amounts of resources from the earth. This should be ended but that cannot be done while those resources are owned by capitalists who must by the nature of capitalism expand that extraction infinitely. If we want sustainability through the reduction of wasteful and unnecessary use of resources we need a system that is not predicated on infinite growth in a finite system. We can sustain ourselves and the environment, just not like this.
We could feed everyone now, but not sustainably. To produce the amount of food we do now, we need fertilizers made from limited resources like oil and pesticides/fungicides that destroy the ecosystem. If the current agriculture section of the world completely moved to sustainable practices next year there wouldn't be enough food to support half of the human population.
That depends where you live. I wouldn't want to live in India, which is crowded as hell. But Half of Canada is basically empty. Half of Australia is basically empty. Some of the states in the USA are basically empty. The majority of russia is empty.
Australia and Canada are most uninhabited because there's a lot of uninhabitable land. I do agree that a lot of land use isn't efficient, but there is also generally a reason people don't live in central Australia.
More scientists and inventors, more philosophers and artists, more people that share your niche hobby...
The only people who have a problem with that, are hipsters or just like dieing a preventable death.
We can sustain everybody on Earth right now if we all eat beans and rice, give up all meat, stop plane travel, and limit your commutes to ones you can do without a personal car. Even if we get rid of billionaires, the rest of western life is unsustainable at this population.
If you are reading this message on a smart phone, it's already too late, you don't meet this criteria. The only solution for us to sustain your lifestyle is to reduce the population.
That's all hard to do when billionaires are the ones structuring society. The point is we don't get to choose corrective societal actions unless it is an exercise of individual privilege. I would have loved to take the train to visit relatives, but it literally is not an option.
There's actually more than enough resources to go around, but enormous amounts are lost to waste, corruption, inequality and greed. The world isn't actually overpopulated, but over-urbanized. If it was made more feasible for people to live in the districts, more decentralised and with less waste of resources, human society would look very different.
Why that direction? Intuitively I'd imagine stuffing the humans into cities would allow more mass transit, fewer cars, more economies of scale, and more area left over for nature. So more like Singapore, less like Texas.
Has anyone ever done scientific research on this question?
Urban centers have less waste or CO2 per capita than their rural or suburban counterparts. The problem is our pursuit of ever increasing profits is extremely wasteful but is currently how states gain influence.
Fertilizers that need fossil resources to produce and pesticides that (for now) increase crop gain by killing off insects but in the long term are damaging the ecosystem.
We could also all sleep together in big rooms, like stadiums, to save heat and power elsewhere. And it won't turn into that orgy scene at the end of that Matrix movie, not unless Carol wants it to.
It looks like the world can support the current population. Barely.
But yeah, low birth rate is not something that must be solved right now. And it will solve itself eventually. We should be working into making people comfortable, but if people think their current situation isn't good enough to have children, just shut the fuck up and let them be.
Hard to prove, but even the idea that the world can barely support the current population is likely just propaganda trying to reinforce a scarcity mindset.
We could probably pack nearly everyone in the entire world in to an area the size of the United Kingdom, and most could be living better lives than they do now. Population Density comparable to New York City would get you around 7 billion people. Obviously, we can do better than that, but just trying to put it into perspective.
Even for agriculture, you could support the current population with what we've got and a lot more if that was your priority. There are dramatic gains to be made by reducing or eliminating meat and unless we made some new unfortunate discoveries that would 100% get you there, but you might not even have to. We're strong into theory territory and might have to focus on prioritizing fertile land for agriculture but having everyone in the world eat like an average american would likely be doable at current levels if we actually wanted to prioritize that.
Not actually true, unless your means of supporting people includes provisions for the extravagances of carbon-based energy and huge amounts of inefficiency everywhere in the supply chain.
If we want to carry on with capitalism as we know it now, yes. And you know it's going to be the elderly, sick, disabled, among the working class population that need to go first. You know, those who can't be forced to work. It's not the poor working class populations who wealthy right-wing policy makers are asking to have more babies.
The world is already on track for around 10 billion people anyway, because there are already enough young people in developing nations who we expect to have families of their own in the next few decades.
So good thing we could carry that many people sustainably if we get our shit together.
Not that I'm against Pokemon inspired sexy times between consenting adults.
While they may be factually incorrect, humanity still sucks so bad with all the ecological ruin they've caused & species they've wiped out that exterminating them completely would bless the entire planet.
Just so you know, I reported you as you’re spreading ecofascism.
Seems like you reported yourself for frivolous reporting: the destructiveness of humanity is undeniable.
Suggesting the complete extermination of humanity (me included) would be better for the rest of the planet is not even ecofascism.
No form of government is suggested: we'd all be gone.
It's at best a selfless, magnanimous deathwish: all other life on the planet deserves better.
The ancient Mesopotamians told a myth of their gods—disturbed by the overpopulation of humanity—plotting & failing to exterminate humanity until they settled to keep them around after all.
I think this made a lot of people very angry and should be widely regarded as a bad move.
We probably should welcome if some alien overlords came along & completed what the ancient Mesopotamian gods didn't finish.
You’re about one of the only sane ones I see commenting in here. Humans are over all just a destructive little parasite that spreads like germs.
The world would’ve been better off if we died out. I know that hurts some peoples little survival instinct that their brains are programmed with, but I just don’t see with the trajectory we’re taking right now in this very moment a world that turns out fine with us both coexisting and healing the destruction we’ve caused to the nature around us.
Humans, by themselves, have caused most mass extinctions. That is both sad and frightening.
Hey, did you know that in terms of male human and female pokemon breeding, vaporeon is not the most compatible pokemon for humans? This is a common and understandable misconception, however vaporeon has its human on pokemon breedability outclassed by it's cousin evolution, umbreon.
Umbreon boasts an extremely impressive defense stat spread. With it's combination of very high HP, defense and special defense stats, it can take a great pounding and come back for more! It's ability, inner focus allows it to keep slamming attentively, without getting fatigued.
Umbreon also has access to the ability synchronise, which allows it to share it's current status with you, meaning you will receive all of the pleasure it feels combined with all the pleasure you're getting from pounding this perfect, breedable pokemon.
A great fun fact, umbreon can excrete toxins in it's sweat, which would in turn soak your member and swell it up, making it even more sizable and sensitive. This would not only enhance the experience for you, but for your umbreon as well (which with synchronise, ends up pleasing you exponentially more). It can learn payback, which doubles in power after the pokemon is hit, meaning umbreon will throw it back twice as hard as normally if you're hitting it good. Umbreon can also learn guard swap, it could give you it's insane durability, and go crazy on you all night with your now massive endurance.
Speaking of endurance, umbreon also has access to endure, making it practically immune to fatigue, it will always have energy left over. Charm is also within umbreon's movepool, letting it be extremely seductive towards you, easily getting you in the mood. Umbreon can also use taunt, in turn making you only able to do attacking moves such as slam, pound, etc;
It's access to the abilities inner focus and synchronise allow it to unwaveringly throw it back and add all of it's pleasure onto yours, effectively making it twice as amazing as any other pokemon, or even four times, factoring in the doubled power of payback of course. All of this information in combination with it's extremely useful movepool in the world of intercourse makes umbreon the most qualified to breed with humans; able to take d**k of any shape, any size, in any position easily for extensive periods of time, while having the ability to return for even more mere seconds later.
You have to retroactively do what I did and cripple your attention span to a point where if you see any piece of text longer than a few sentences, your brain just automatically skips past it
Hey guys, did you know that in terms of male human and female Pokémon breeding, Vaporeon is the most compatible Pokémon for humans? Not only are they in the field egg group, which is mostly comprised of mammals, Vaporeon are an average of 3”03’ tall and 63.9 pounds, this means they’re large enough to be able handle human dicks, and with their impressive Base Stats for HP and access to Acid Armor, you can be rough with one. Due to their mostly water based biology, there’s no doubt in my mind that an aroused Vaporeon would be incredibly wet, so wet that you could easily have sex with one for hours without getting sore. They can also learn the moves Attract, Baby-Doll Eyes, Captivate, Charm, and Tail Whip, along with not having fur to hide nipples, so it’d be incredibly easy for one to get you in the mood. With their abilities Water Absorb and Hydration, they can easily recover from fatigue with enough water. No other Pokémon comes close to this level of compatibility. Also, fun fact, if you pull out enough, you can make your Vaporeon turn white. Vaporeon is literally built for human dick. Ungodly defense stat+high HP pool+Acid Armor means it can take cock all day, all shapes and sizes and still come for more
It's only a problem for our species. And, only for future potential members of our species. The declining birth rate isn't going to hurt anyone alive today. Not even billionaires, not in any way that matters.
Overall, the Earth would be much happier and peaceful without us. We're not special, we're just selfish.
Finally, probably, even in the worst human-caused catastrophe, at least some pockets of humanity would survive. Again, though, not that it really matters.
TLDR; Don't worry about it. It's no one's problem to solve. We didn't ask to be born, and none of us owe our species anything.
The declining birth rate isn't going to hurt anyone alive today.
Having a top heavy age demographic means less tax revenue will be split between more required services. There will also be fewer labourers with more labour requirements. The only ones it won't hurt are the billionaires.
It's probably a good thing in the long run that human population is stabilising, but it's going to be problematic until we get to that stable state.
This is only a problem under capitalism. We are immensely more productive than we used to be and can provide for everyone. A great majority of our labor is just wasted on increasing shareholder value and producing frivilous shit we don't need.
Agreed. It will require careful redistribution of labor and resources to ensure stability with a declining population.
But nations typically want to hoard their resources, and the value of labor is measured only in overall utility to the billionaire class, so I don't believe it will be a graceful decline for the majority of the world in practice.
I didn’t fuck my Vaporeon. I didn’t cum on my Vaporeon. I didn’t put my dick anywhere near my Vaporeon. I’ve never done anything weird with my Eveelutions. I promised myself I wasn’t going to make apology videos after last years thing so I’m just trying to be as short and honest with this as possible.
I mean. If you stop and think about it. Why would someone that fucked their vaporeon wear a shirt that said they didn't fuck their vaporeon? It makes no sense!
And here I paid for sleep as android like a rube... Better not start using Pokémon sleep, it'll classify me somewhere between snorlax, psyduck, and goldeen.
I’m open to them having social welfare after being stripped of their assets. I think I just expect that our prisons should provide its inmates with a humane standard of living of which they would of course have access to from their cell.
And hopefully after capping them at the knees (power and influence-wise), we can move to a society that actually has universal health care, even for minimum wage.
I'm not ok with them benefiting from what society at large has been breaking their backs to fund.
At least not outside of an emergency. I don't wanna actually have them die because of actual medical issues in the mean time.
Unless they make spectacles of themselves complaining about their new station in life. That can effectively qualify them to be cut off. Sunny nobody got a right to whine about not getting to use human sacrifice to their benefit anymore.
The funny thing is that they teased it like 3 years before it actually came out, so people following Pokemon news were like "Where the hell is Pokemon Sleep?" for years
I have no idea. For the latter, it seemed like a sleep timer basically? Mind you this is old knowledge I'm dredging back up so I could be way off base on what the app is
Pokemon Create and every time you take a photo of a new newborn baby with the app, and send your genetic samples for verification, you have a chance to collect a rare pokemon
Funny thing, I had an accident with AI where when I switched to Lewd-Tan, I forgot to set my name to user. I told it I was bored, that the usual won't work, and to just tell me something hot.
The username I forgot to delete was Leafeon.
Can confirm, it would be super-effective at getting birth rates up.
155 Comments
princess@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 198 pts · 240d
Pokémon Universal Basic Income?!
criss_cross@lemmy.world · 60 pts · 240d
Pokémon Healthcare for All
BiteSizedZeitGeist@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 239d
tomiant@piefed.social · 108 pts · 240d
The declining birthrate is a feature, not a problem to be solved. We do not need more people. Capitalism needs more people. We don't.
StarvingMartist@sh.itjust.works · 33 pts · 240d
I mean, it absolutely can become a problem if an entire population turns elderly and Theres no young people to take over businesses, care for the elderly, maintain critical infrastructure.
Say what you want about the capitalist ideals that hold this time important,if the birthrate hit 0% we would be facing societal collapse
skisnow@lemmy.ca · 47 pts · 240d
Bit strawmanny that. Nobody considers 0% a reasonable target.
StarvingMartist@sh.itjust.works · 16 pts · 240d
Just an extreme example, but there are actual statistics out there I cant remember where a bunch of people much smarter than me figured out the "this is an emergency" percentage,
saimen@feddit.org · 4 pts · 239d
(in our current socioeconomic system)
tomiant@piefed.social · 13 pts · 240d
I mean... That societal collapse may be necessary at some point sooner rather than later- we need to downsize, we can chose to do it on our own terms or just run out the clock and smash into a brick wall. Maybe it's not a bad thing.
I'm semi serious. This isn't working out. I don't think so, and many with me don't think so. We can't keep doing things just because the system demands it, we should be doing what we decide is good and necessary first and then work towards those goals, instead of just doing more of everything and hope that it will magically turn out for the best.
I am aware of the problem space here and the high cost and risk of dramatically changing course and our way of governing societies, but if we don't, those problems will not be solved or diminish and we'll have to deal with it anyway. Capitalism will not save us.
surewhynotlem@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 239d
So what? If people decide we don't need any more people then we surely don't need society.
I just hope we remember to shut the lights off when we leave.
Honytawk@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 239d
That is why we need automation.
Just not the infinite growth one from capitalism.
baines@piefed.social · 1 pts · 239d
immegration
petersr@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 239d
Low birthrate means not enough to pay your retirement - it is not just a problem for companies - also for governments and taxes in the most socialist country.
saimen@feddit.org · 15 pts · 239d
...due to our socioeconomic system.
DylanMc6@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 239d
Would socialism/communism solve that problem?
petersr@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 239d
Please explain how any society can work with an overweight of elderly? Watch Kurzgesagt's video about South Korea. They are looking into a society where every other person is above 65.
Tabula_stercore@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 239d
An ethical dilemma game
Reality of demographics don't allow for another solution.
lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com · -17 pts · 240d
Weird issue to pin on capitalism: seems more of an economic growth issue regardless of type. From Bars, Pride and dating apps: How China is closing down its LGBT+ spaces
::: spoiler Hence, the Chinese crackdown on LGBT+.
BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world · 25 pts · 240d
Implies Capitalism is not at fault, proceeds to outline precisely why State Capitalism is melting down over declining birthrate. This comment is so ironic it cured my anemia.
lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com · -2 pts · 239d
If every economy is capitalist no matter degree of government planning, regulation, & control, then by your standard non-capitalist economies are a myth.
Demand for population growth is a general problem of economic growth rather than type of economic system. Even before capitalism, subsistence farmers would bear more children for the additional labor.
Central planning economies can be as or more destructive than the more capitalist ones: type of economy seems to have little bearing there, too. The USSR aggressively industrialized & would consistently pursue economic growth (to raise standards of living). It comes up in the Soviet constitution of 1977:
Despite their command economy, their pollution was proportionately worse than the US's
Their planners considered pollution control
and
And this generously glosses over the extent of water contamination, hazardous dumping of toxic & nuclear waste into oceans, etc.
The dependence on labor, capacity for environmental destruction, and demand for economic growth are not particular to any type of economy: they're general.
LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 240d
China isn't a communist country really. A state capitalist country would be better way to describe it, maybe. They participate in the markets and allow private ownership of companies. For instance BYD the fast coming EV manufacturer isn't majority owned by their federal government, but is subsidized by it.
People can argue if it is or isn't capitalism, but in the end that doesn't say communism. I'm no expert but I'd say maybe a social programs injected into a authoritarian capitalistic state.
zbyte64@awful.systems · 5 pts · 240d
Ehh, the capitalist class doesn't call the shots in China though, the party does. And their private corporations don't simply have shareholders, it has party representation embedded in the control structure making "ownership" moot because ultimately the party can veto or seize production at moments notice.
That being said, when Xi starts claiming socialism is inevitable, he does so to delay it's implementation.
LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 240d
Yeah companies like BYD have investors like Berkshire and Blackrock but the key is Wang Chuanfu who is in the party, and is the CEO and largest owner apparently. So he gets a lot of say in making himself richer apparently. Sounds like what Musk would have wanted for Tesla if he could have got MAGA off the EV hate
zikzak025@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 239d
That just sounds like a reframing of "the party are the capitalist class" though.
If the party either controls the corporations or has the ability to seize control if their priorities aren't met, where does one group begin and the other end?
zbyte64@awful.systems · 2 pts · 239d
Wouldn't that have made the USSR capitalist as well? I think a key distinction is how authority within a party is established. If authority is derived from ownership then that is clearly capitalist. If authority is derived from the party itself, then that is something else.
DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works · 9 pts · 239d
China is a capitalist society lmfao
TastyWheat@lemmy.world · 55 pts · 239d
Pokemon Smash
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 50 pts · 240d
"We're releasing a Vaporion that can get pregnant"
toofpic@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 240d
You cat the outer shell, and find a Chinese sweatshop worker inside
saimen@feddit.org · 46 pts · 239d
PokemonFamilyFriendlyWorkingConditionsAndFreeDaycare?
LemmyKnowsBest@lemmy.world · 32 pts · 239d
PokemonAffordableHousing
sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 239d
Please gamefreak I am begging you
ghen@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 239d
Who knew people don't like making babies when the only thing separating them and their parents is two sheets of drywall.
assassinatedbyCIA@lemmy.world · 40 pts · 239d
I hope they release Pokemon guillotine next
WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today · 9 pts · 239d
Nintendo is not going to like what I do next...
muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 239d
Hmmm, this has potential to make the upcoming French Revolution palworld expansion amusing in court.
trxxruraxvr@lemmy.world · 39 pts · 240d
Declining birthrates will save the planet. There's already more people than we can sustainability support.
Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world · 133 pts · 240d
We CAN sustain everybody we have now. It's just billionaires have decided it's more profitable to let a huge section of society suffer. The more suffering for us, the more profit for them. But you have to balance it, so it doesn't lead to revolt.
Thats what ends suffering. Not decreased birthrates, but instead death and revolt of those holding back food and shelter from those that need it, so they can raise prices on unsold units.
someguy3@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 240d
Not so sure, we are pulling resources out of the earth at a ridiculous rate. Even with green energy we are still reliant on mining for everything. Goods, fertilizer, the stuff for solar panels. We're going to run out of easy to access stuff sooner or later.
sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml · 11 pts · 240d
Degrowth is only an option after the dismantling lf capitalism. We are pulling unreasonable and unsustainable amounts of resources from the earth. This should be ended but that cannot be done while those resources are owned by capitalists who must by the nature of capitalism expand that extraction infinitely. If we want sustainability through the reduction of wasteful and unnecessary use of resources we need a system that is not predicated on infinite growth in a finite system. We can sustain ourselves and the environment, just not like this.
sunstoned@lemmus.org · 3 pts · 239d
So you're saying mine the moon?
someguy3@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 239d
I'm sure that'll be cheap and affordable.
sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 239d
Also incredibly safe
someguy3@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 239d
At least it will be beyond the environment.
sunstoned@lemmus.org · 2 pts · 239d
Safer than sharkfuck[ing] probably
trxxruraxvr@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 239d
We could feed everyone now, but not sustainably. To produce the amount of food we do now, we need fertilizers made from limited resources like oil and pesticides/fungicides that destroy the ecosystem. If the current agriculture section of the world completely moved to sustainable practices next year there wouldn't be enough food to support half of the human population.
BorgDrone@feddit.nl · -3 pts · 240d
Even if we could (which I doubt) is it even worth it living on a planet that’s this crowded?
Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 240d
That depends where you live. I wouldn't want to live in India, which is crowded as hell. But Half of Canada is basically empty. Half of Australia is basically empty. Some of the states in the USA are basically empty. The majority of russia is empty.
Space isn't the issue.
caurvo@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 5 pts · 240d
Australia and Canada are most uninhabited because there's a lot of uninhabitable land. I do agree that a lot of land use isn't efficient, but there is also generally a reason people don't live in central Australia.
TheBat@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 240d
sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 240d
The world really is not all that crowded, it only feels that way because our land use is inefficient
anton@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 240d
More scientists and inventors, more philosophers and artists, more people that share your niche hobby...
The only people who have a problem with that, are hipsters or just like dieing a preventable death.
Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz · 0 pts · 239d
Yes? Have you ever been to Tokyo, Shanghai, any of the like 100 cities >10m in China?
They're quite nice.
ZoteTheMighty@lemmy.zip · -4 pts · 240d
We can sustain everybody on Earth right now if we all eat beans and rice, give up all meat, stop plane travel, and limit your commutes to ones you can do without a personal car. Even if we get rid of billionaires, the rest of western life is unsustainable at this population.
If you are reading this message on a smart phone, it's already too late, you don't meet this criteria. The only solution for us to sustain your lifestyle is to reduce the population.
zbyte64@awful.systems · 7 pts · 240d
That's all hard to do when billionaires are the ones structuring society. The point is we don't get to choose corrective societal actions unless it is an exercise of individual privilege. I would have loved to take the train to visit relatives, but it literally is not an option.
mastertigurius@lemmy.world · 33 pts · 240d
There's actually more than enough resources to go around, but enormous amounts are lost to waste, corruption, inequality and greed. The world isn't actually overpopulated, but over-urbanized. If it was made more feasible for people to live in the districts, more decentralised and with less waste of resources, human society would look very different.
explodicle@sh.itjust.works · 20 pts · 240d
Why that direction? Intuitively I'd imagine stuffing the humans into cities would allow more mass transit, fewer cars, more economies of scale, and more area left over for nature. So more like Singapore, less like Texas.
Has anyone ever done scientific research on this question?
WoodScientist@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 240d
"In my perfect ideal world, that we have no path to achieving, we could sustain our large population indefinitely."
zbyte64@awful.systems · 1 pts · 240d
Urban centers have less waste or CO2 per capita than their rural or suburban counterparts. The problem is our pursuit of ever increasing profits is extremely wasteful but is currently how states gain influence.
trxxruraxvr@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 239d
We produce enough food now, but not sustainably. Fertilizers and pesticides are destroying ecosystems.
mastertigurius@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 239d
What is the reason we're able to produce enough food right now?
trxxruraxvr@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 239d
Fertilizers that need fossil resources to produce and pesticides that (for now) increase crop gain by killing off insects but in the long term are damaging the ecosystem.
TWeaK@lemmy.today · 0 pts · 239d
We could also all sleep together in big rooms, like stadiums, to save heat and power elsewhere. And it won't turn into that orgy scene at the end of that Matrix movie, not unless Carol wants it to.
mastertigurius@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 239d
Who says we shouldn't follow Carol's advice? ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz · 1 pts · 239d
We don't have to invite Carol.
marcos@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 240d
It looks like the world can support the current population. Barely.
But yeah, low birth rate is not something that must be solved right now. And it will solve itself eventually. We should be working into making people comfortable, but if people think their current situation isn't good enough to have children, just shut the fuck up and let them be.
BarbecueCowboy@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 10 pts · 240d
Hard to prove, but even the idea that the world can barely support the current population is likely just propaganda trying to reinforce a scarcity mindset.
We could probably pack nearly everyone in the entire world in to an area the size of the United Kingdom, and most could be living better lives than they do now. Population Density comparable to New York City would get you around 7 billion people. Obviously, we can do better than that, but just trying to put it into perspective.
Even for agriculture, you could support the current population with what we've got and a lot more if that was your priority. There are dramatic gains to be made by reducing or eliminating meat and unless we made some new unfortunate discoveries that would 100% get you there, but you might not even have to. We're strong into theory territory and might have to focus on prioritizing fertile land for agriculture but having everyone in the world eat like an average american would likely be doable at current levels if we actually wanted to prioritize that.
18107@aussie.zone · 7 pts · 240d
Kill* about 15 billionaires and suddenly we can support a lot more people with the same resources.
*Other options available
someguy3@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 240d
"But line must go up."
ynthrepic@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 240d
Not actually true, unless your means of supporting people includes provisions for the extravagances of carbon-based energy and huge amounts of inefficiency everywhere in the supply chain.
If we want to carry on with capitalism as we know it now, yes. And you know it's going to be the elderly, sick, disabled, among the working class population that need to go first. You know, those who can't be forced to work. It's not the poor working class populations who wealthy right-wing policy makers are asking to have more babies.
The world is already on track for around 10 billion people anyway, because there are already enough young people in developing nations who we expect to have families of their own in the next few decades.
So good thing we could carry that many people sustainably if we get our shit together.
Not that I'm against Pokemon inspired sexy times between consenting adults.
vivalapivo@lemmy.today · -2 pts · 240d
I know that you are just parroting dangerous ideas, but you need to stop that
lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com · 4 pts · 240d
While they may be factually incorrect, humanity still sucks so bad with all the ecological ruin they've caused & species they've wiped out that exterminating them completely would bless the entire planet.
vivalapivo@lemmy.today · -4 pts · 240d
Just so you know, I reported you as you're spreading ecofascism.
You are poisoning yourself with such ideas and thoughts. Please seek help
lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com · 5 pts · 239d
Seems like you reported yourself for frivolous reporting: the destructiveness of humanity is undeniable.
Suggesting the complete extermination of humanity (me included) would be better for the rest of the planet is not even ecofascism. No form of government is suggested: we'd all be gone. It's at best a selfless, magnanimous deathwish: all other life on the planet deserves better.
The ancient Mesopotamians told a myth of their gods—disturbed by the overpopulation of humanity—plotting & failing to exterminate humanity until they settled to keep them around after all. I think this made a lot of people very angry and should be widely regarded as a bad move. We probably should welcome if some alien overlords came along & completed what the ancient Mesopotamian gods didn't finish.
LucidNightmare@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 239d
You’re about one of the only sane ones I see commenting in here. Humans are over all just a destructive little parasite that spreads like germs.
The world would’ve been better off if we died out. I know that hurts some peoples little survival instinct that their brains are programmed with, but I just don’t see with the trajectory we’re taking right now in this very moment a world that turns out fine with us both coexisting and healing the destruction we’ve caused to the nature around us.
Humans, by themselves, have caused most mass extinctions. That is both sad and frightening.
vivalapivo@lemmy.today · -2 pts · 239d
Sorry, I don't take destructive ideas seriously
lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com · 4 pts · 239d
or have reading comprehension
PattyMcB@lemmy.world · 29 pts · 240d
Fuck Pokémon.
Interpret that how you wish, lol
manigordo@lemy.lol · 29 pts · 239d
Did you know that Vaporeon....
cows_are_underrated@feddit.org · 22 pts · 239d
Hey, did you know that in terms of male human and female pokemon breeding, vaporeon is not the most compatible pokemon for humans? This is a common and understandable misconception, however vaporeon has its human on pokemon breedability outclassed by it's cousin evolution, umbreon.
Umbreon boasts an extremely impressive defense stat spread. With it's combination of very high HP, defense and special defense stats, it can take a great pounding and come back for more! It's ability, inner focus allows it to keep slamming attentively, without getting fatigued.
Umbreon also has access to the ability synchronise, which allows it to share it's current status with you, meaning you will receive all of the pleasure it feels combined with all the pleasure you're getting from pounding this perfect, breedable pokemon.
A great fun fact, umbreon can excrete toxins in it's sweat, which would in turn soak your member and swell it up, making it even more sizable and sensitive. This would not only enhance the experience for you, but for your umbreon as well (which with synchronise, ends up pleasing you exponentially more). It can learn payback, which doubles in power after the pokemon is hit, meaning umbreon will throw it back twice as hard as normally if you're hitting it good. Umbreon can also learn guard swap, it could give you it's insane durability, and go crazy on you all night with your now massive endurance.
Speaking of endurance, umbreon also has access to endure, making it practically immune to fatigue, it will always have energy left over. Charm is also within umbreon's movepool, letting it be extremely seductive towards you, easily getting you in the mood. Umbreon can also use taunt, in turn making you only able to do attacking moves such as slam, pound, etc;
It's access to the abilities inner focus and synchronise allow it to unwaveringly throw it back and add all of it's pleasure onto yours, effectively making it twice as amazing as any other pokemon, or even four times, factoring in the doubled power of payback of course. All of this information in combination with it's extremely useful movepool in the world of intercourse makes umbreon the most qualified to breed with humans; able to take d**k of any shape, any size, in any position easily for extensive periods of time, while having the ability to return for even more mere seconds later.
zikzak025@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 239d
How do I un-read something?
tourist@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 239d
You have to retroactively do what I did and cripple your attention span to a point where if you see any piece of text longer than a few sentences, your brain just automatically skips past it
OozingPositron@feddit.cl · 3 pts · 239d
But Umbreon is ugly.
hark@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 239d
That's what a paper bag is for.
manigordo@lemy.lol · 0 pts · 229d
My god....
hansolo@lemmy.today · 23 pts · 240d
Unclear if you want:
Pokemon Fuck
Or
Pokemon Monk
Godort@lemmy.ca · 12 pts · 240d
Why not both? Just make them the same generation
sbv@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 240d
The Fuck Monks?
Deceptichum@quokk.au · 1 pts · 240d
vivalapivo@lemmy.today · 8 pts · 240d
Pokemon Breed
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 240d
Excited for a Pokemon with more explicit advocacy of Eugenics
jwt@lemmy.wtf · 3 pts · 240d
Pokemon Procreate
krooklochurm@lemmy.ca · 23 pts · 240d
Pikachu, I fuck you!
ummthatguy@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 240d
gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works · 26 pts · 240d
ummthatguy@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 240d
gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 240d
DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 240d
It's only a problem for our species. And, only for future potential members of our species. The declining birth rate isn't going to hurt anyone alive today. Not even billionaires, not in any way that matters.
Overall, the Earth would be much happier and peaceful without us. We're not special, we're just selfish.
Finally, probably, even in the worst human-caused catastrophe, at least some pockets of humanity would survive. Again, though, not that it really matters.
TLDR; Don't worry about it. It's no one's problem to solve. We didn't ask to be born, and none of us owe our species anything.
Enkers@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 239d
Having a top heavy age demographic means less tax revenue will be split between more required services. There will also be fewer labourers with more labour requirements. The only ones it won't hurt are the billionaires.
It's probably a good thing in the long run that human population is stabilising, but it's going to be problematic until we get to that stable state.
sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 239d
This is only a problem under capitalism. We are immensely more productive than we used to be and can provide for everyone. A great majority of our labor is just wasted on increasing shareholder value and producing frivilous shit we don't need.
zikzak025@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 239d
Agreed. It will require careful redistribution of labor and resources to ensure stability with a declining population.
But nations typically want to hoard their resources, and the value of labor is measured only in overall utility to the billionaire class, so I don't believe it will be a graceful decline for the majority of the world in practice.
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 239d
Make better bots.
BootyEnthusiast@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 20 pts · 240d
I didn’t fuck my Vaporeon. I didn’t cum on my Vaporeon. I didn’t put my dick anywhere near my Vaporeon. I’ve never done anything weird with my Eveelutions. I promised myself I wasn’t going to make apology videos after last years thing so I’m just trying to be as short and honest with this as possible.
tomiant@piefed.social · 22 pts · 240d
My "I didn't fuck my Vaporeon" T-shirt has people asking a lot of questions already answered by the T-shirt.
tetris11@feddit.uk · 9 pts · 240d
That's silly. Can't they read?
krooklochurm@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 240d
I mean. If you stop and think about it. Why would someone that fucked their vaporeon wear a shirt that said they didn't fuck their vaporeon? It makes no sense!
greenbit@lemmy.zip · 16 pts · 239d
Pokémon Revolution
Cabbage_Pout61@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 239d
Pokémon Ovulation
DylanMc6@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 239d
Pokemon Pollution
BilSabab@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 239d
TIL there's a game called Pokemon Sleep. My life will never be the same.
BigDanishGuy@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 239d
And here I paid for sleep as android like a rube... Better not start using Pokémon sleep, it'll classify me somewhere between snorlax, psyduck, and goldeen.
BilSabab@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 239d
I only know Squirtle because he has Squirtle Squad and they look fucking boss.
oopsgodisdeadmybad@lemmy.zip · 14 pts · 239d
If you wanna increase birth rates, take 100% of all the billionaire's money (not a "reasonable tax amount" and spread it to everyone else.
I'm more than willing to just let them be literally penniless (and disqualified for welfare) if the world will benefit from it. And it will.
They don't deserve an honest living, they deserve a solitary confinement cell.
Waraugh@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 8 pts · 239d
I’m open to them having social welfare after being stripped of their assets. I think I just expect that our prisons should provide its inmates with a humane standard of living of which they would of course have access to from their cell.
oopsgodisdeadmybad@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 239d
They can have a minimum wage job.
And hopefully after capping them at the knees (power and influence-wise), we can move to a society that actually has universal health care, even for minimum wage.
I'm not ok with them benefiting from what society at large has been breaking their backs to fund.
At least not outside of an emergency. I don't wanna actually have them die because of actual medical issues in the mean time.
Unless they make spectacles of themselves complaining about their new station in life. That can effectively qualify them to be cut off. Sunny nobody got a right to whine about not getting to use human sacrifice to their benefit anymore.
ApeNo1@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 240d
Gotta poke 'em all!
pineapplelover@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 13 pts · 239d
There's a pokemon sleep?
sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml · 7 pts · 239d
Honestly I was just as surprised as you are
Zoomboingding@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 239d
The funny thing is that they teased it like 3 years before it actually came out, so people following Pokemon news were like "Where the hell is Pokemon Sleep?" for years
anas@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 239d
I can’t remember how we ever slept before they came up with that
whotookkarl@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 12 pts · 240d
Pokemon x Luigi crossover?
tomiant@piefed.social · 8 pts · 240d
Shoot the oligarch pokemons?
watson387@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 240d
But which Pokémon would Luigi knock boots with?
Sharlot@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 239d
Pokémon GO: touch grass ✅ Pokémon Sleep: touch pillow ✅ Now we just need Pokémon Rent so we can afford kids 😂
puchaczyk@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 239d
Phegan@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 240d
anton@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 5 pts · 240d
Declining birth rates in Africa will become a problem for Europe, because immigration is how we keep our healthcare systems running.
DylanMc6@lemmy.ml · 8 pts · 239d
Pokemon Hump
sem@piefed.blahaj.zone · 8 pts · 239d
Is pokemon sleepy real thing?
Suburbanl3g3nd@lemmings.world · 7 pts · 239d
Yeah, Pokemon Sleep is a phone app
sem@piefed.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 239d
Cool, TIL!
UnfairUtan@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 239d
Is it good? And not a privacy nightmare?
Suburbanl3g3nd@lemmings.world · 1 pts · 239d
I have no idea. For the latter, it seemed like a sleep timer basically? Mind you this is old knowledge I'm dredging back up so I could be way off base on what the app is
WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 239d
Pokemon Create and every time you take a photo of a new newborn baby with the app, and send your genetic samples for verification, you have a chance to collect a rare pokemon
Xerxos@lemmy.ml · 8 pts · 239d
There are already plenty Pokémon porn games
Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca · 8 pts · 239d
PokemonUBI
stringere@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 239d
PokemonGrindr
Logical@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 239d
If it's anything like the original, I am not sure that will solve the specific problem of declining birthrates.
Lojcs@piefed.social · 7 pts · 240d
Time to make Pokémon Give Money To Nintendo
Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 240d
Thats been happening since 1996 in Japan, and 1998 in America.
BarbecueCowboy@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 240d
I legitimately think that we could do a tremendous amount of social good with a pokemon dating app.
tomiant@piefed.social · 5 pts · 240d
Counter argument: Roblox pedos.
Limonene@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 239d
Sapphire Safari is sorta like that. It's basically Pokemon Snap, but porn.
luciferofastora@feddit.org · 1 pts · 238d
Just redirects me to the start page 😕
Edit: Doesn't show up in the search either, but the "similar games" do give some hint about the nature of that game
PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 240d
Pokemon rawdog
slothrop@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 240d
pokemon abort?
sirico@feddit.uk · 4 pts · 239d
I mean what was Mr mime doing there
chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 240d
Pokemon Daycare......because we all know what happens in the daycare and how those eggs are made
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 240d
that's one way to unify the conservatives.
they do love their children...
SethTaylor@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 239d
😏
oftenawake@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 239d
WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 239d
Funny thing, I had an accident with AI where when I switched to Lewd-Tan, I forgot to set my name to user. I told it I was bored, that the usual won't work, and to just tell me something hot.
The username I forgot to delete was Leafeon.
Can confirm, it would be super-effective at getting birth rates up.
breadleyloafsyou@lemmy.zip · 7 pts · 239d
RamRabbit@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 239d
Poster got a pokemon-themed, sexual story or role-play with an AI.
WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today · 3 pts · 239d
No, I got treated like a pet, discovered I actually like that
stiffyGlitch@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 228d
nah bros really gonna do that
also what's Pokemon sleep
sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 228d
sleep tracker
Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 239d
Pokeamum?
BigDanishGuy@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 239d
I've met them, they're the ones playing pokemon go in Ikea when you're in a hurry.
jordanlund@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 239d
This was actually a thing in Hogwart's Legacy, you had the option of capturing and breeding animals.