Meanwhile, dozens were injured by Iranian strikes in Israel, as Tehran targeted a nuclear site.
Donald Trump threatened Iran in a Truth Social post Saturday evening, warning that the U.S. would target the nation’s power plants if the Strait of Hormuz remained closed.
“If Iran doesn’t FULLY OPEN, WITHOUT THREAT, the Strait of Hormuz, within 48 HOURS from this exact point in time, the United States of America will hit and obliterate their various POWER PLANTS, STARTING WITH THE BIGGEST ONE FIRST!” Trump wrote in the post.
Approximately 20% of the world’s oil passes through the the Strait of Hormuz, a critical trade route. Iranian attacks on ships in the area have seen the area essentially close to maritime traffic, while oil prices have soared globally.
163 Comments
status_sphere@sh.itjust.works · 137 pts · 166d
Nothing says diplomacy like a Twitter ultimatum with a countdown while simultaneously admitting that you are about to commit a war crime.
renhogan@lemmy.ca · 59 pts · 166d
Yep.
Sad part is labelling things as ‘War crimes’ is meaningless. There’s no accountability in this World anymore.
It’s like “that’s a war crime!”
… “so anyways… what’s for dinner?”
Sad World our ancestors fought and died for all those years ago.
Dimantina@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 166d
Well....
So like for probably me and you, it was our grand fathers and great grandfather's that put forth the rules of war in WW1 and WW2.
For Trump it was his dad. He's not even that removed, he was born 3 years before the Geneva convention was ratified. When "War Crimes" actually became a thing...
Purely speculation, but given the fact he has never had respect of law, I think him and his cabal would have been against the idea of creating war crimes in 1949... So for him its just a long line of ignoring inconvenient "woke" bullcrap.
luciferofastora@feddit.org · 1 pts · 165d
Another reason geriatric grifters shouldn't hold office, but reason has long since been evicted from the halls of the mighty.
Stern@lemmy.world · 78 pts · 166d
"Stop making a oil crisis or we'll make it even worse!"
T00l_shed@lemmy.world · 36 pts · 166d
Stop making an oil crisis (that we started) or we will continue to make it even worse
probable_possum@leminal.space · 76 pts · 166d
Civil Energy infrastructure.
Steve@startrek.website · 29 pts · 166d
War crimes are cool and easy to do
Gsus4@mander.xyz · 73 pts · 166d
Iran already replied to the threat saying they'd bomb the gulf's desalinators...what now, you fucking idiot? He really has no notion of what he's done and no ability to think beyond threats and escalation...
luciferofastora@feddit.org · 2 pts · 165d
What should he care about the desalinators? He's not the one going without water.
But maybe Bibi will tell him to cut it out? Unless he's hoping the catastrophe will galvanise his supporters further.
biscuit@lemdro.id · 62 pts · 166d
Thanks for ruining the world, Americans. Holding you all responsible for this.
atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works · 36 pts · 166d
As a Native American who doesn’t even have a voting member of congress please go fuck yourself. White people are doing this and white people didn’t come from America.
PlaidBaron@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 166d
Wait, Indigenous people in the US cant vote for a senator?
atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works · 41 pts · 166d
We were promised our own representatives that we still don’t have. As you may be able to imagine, the white people who are elected state wide don’t always have the best interests of Native peoples in mind.
PlaidBaron@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 166d
Yeah Im Canadian and Indigenous rights are not respected here either but fuck, at least they can vote.
rljkeimig@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 166d
Native Americans can vote in state and national elections and are supposed to be represented in Congress by the senators and representative of the state they live in, but they are not represented directly by a native with equal standing and their land and rights are usually not a priority for their legislators or states they live in.
teyrnon@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 166d
Natives can vote in the US. The republicans have tried to make it harder because they vote against them.
harrys_balzac@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 7 pts · 166d
Don't forget that ICE is kidnapping and trying to deport Native Americans.
teyrnon@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 166d
The mask is off, they aren't pretending. We shouldn't either. We need to respond.
The natives are especially valuable for environmental issues, as their treaties dicatate rights, and they are on the right side of all such issues. But the fed courts are going to hell so that is ending.
osanna@lemmy.vg · 2 pts · 164d
where... uhh... do they try to deport them? holy shit.
teyrnon@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 166d
No shit, in case you haven't noticed, the "white" people elected don't have the best interests of white people in mind either. You are barking up the wrong tree, this is a class war, and we are losing.
Randomgal@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 166d
Hard to win if you don't do anything other than SLAMMING them.
teyrnon@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 166d
Whatcha mean? This makes no sense to me. Or I suspect to anyone with sense unless I misunderstand your seeming point.
luciferofastora@feddit.org · 1 pts · 165d
It refers to the news headlines exaggerating any "Person said is bad" into "Person SLAMMED ".
The point of that message is that "SLAMMING" (i.e. talking) is all they do, instead of actually implementing or at least pushing for progressive policies in their own spheres of influence.
whotookkarl@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 23 pts · 166d
Neither do Puerto Ricans, Guamanians, American Samoans, or Virgin Islanders. Congressional representation is a bad joke, and the house hasn't expanded seats since 1910 which greatly privileges representation for smaller population states. Gerrymandering is just a splash in the pot compared to how rigged they have the legislature.
GraniteM@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 165d
The Reapportionment Act of 1929 was a bullet to the head for representational democracy in the United States. It just took nearly a hundred years for us to realize how fatal the wound was.
teyrnon@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 166d
You do realize like half of white people are on your side?
atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 166d
My comment was directed specifically at the person I was responding to. Obviously being an ally is a choice not helped or hindered by one’s own ethnicity, creed, religion, sexuality, etc.
osanna@lemmy.vg · 1 pts · 164d
I'm not even american, and I'm on the parent's side
NekoKoneko@lemmy.world · 30 pts · 166d
Tomorrow you wake up American. You are the same person, nobody asked your permission, you had no say in the matter, but you are within the borders of America, are a citizen, and have no other citizenship. In fact, because you are American, no country will take you, and even if they would, it would take years up emigrate.
What do you do?
Scubus@sh.itjust.works · 17 pts · 166d
More than Americans have, presumably. All this US apologia is fucking hilarious, you guys elected a pedophile. Fuck off with this "not all americans" bullshit. Do something about it, or youre a pedo protector, simple as. If you dont like the entire world hating you, dont commit evil shit as a country.
To be clear, i am American. We all deserve every bit of hate the world can muster.
spitfire@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 165d
And the Israelis too. Don’t be so harsh on yourself taking all the blame ;)
Scubus@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 165d
I feel like people should be able to muster up extra hate for each country that needs it. Hopefully your hatred for one doesnt reduce your hatred for the other.
spitfire@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 165d
Don’t worry, except for US&A, Russia and Israel (which get some extra hate) I hate everyone else just the same;)
Scubus@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 165d
the first paragraph adds context for that.
You guys coming at me like ICE, never had to vouch for my citizenship before XD
spitfire@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 164d
You know the last 2 characters of my previous comment show that I’m not really serious?
NekoKoneko@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 165d
I'm confused, are you American or not?
It seems like you wrote most of the comment being not an American (emphasis added):
...then you said you were an American.
It's fine if you're not an American. But just engage in good faith please.
teyrnon@sh.itjust.works · -12 pts · 166d
Where are you from with your holier than thou talk?
Kurroth@aussie.zone · 13 pts · 166d
They literally said they are American, so you can safely assume the USA.
teyrnon@sh.itjust.works · -14 pts · 166d
Kurroth@aussie.zone · 12 pts · 166d
You don't think US Americans can have shit opinions? Let alone not be more likely to be shit? What world are you living in?
teyrnon@sh.itjust.works · -9 pts · 166d
Scubus@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 165d
I couldnt respond earlier as my app wouldnt load the comment, i had assumed a mod delted my comment. But its here now!
Of course my opinion is shit, im American.
teyrnon@sh.itjust.works · -2 pts · 165d
Me too! Way to Lean Into The Stereotype!
Scubus@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 165d
Somewhere with very low literacy evidently
kent_eh@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 166d
The options are run or fight.
And your scenario seems to eliminate run as an available option.
TerdFerguson@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 166d
The intro for The Sopranos plays...
northface@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 166d
Woke up this morning...
IAmYouButYouDontKnowYet@reddthat.com · 0 pts · 166d
They give us entertainment and lifestyles that are planned, focus grouped, and created to psychologically make us disassociate from the reality of humanity.
It's not even a conspiracy anymore. And when I say they I mean the corrupt class and the American dreamers that think because they are attaining success from a taught career that makes them somehow believe they are on the right side of history.
I swear to god Americans aren't even human anymore. They are cattle, products and consumers. They are the equivalent of the people fent bending on the sidewalk except they are culturally accepted. It doesn't matter if you have success here... You could be a celebrity, chief of police, a family dad, a politician.... It doesn't equal being someone worth respecting or that they are a good person. I can't stop seeing American success as an illusion to keep people as cattle or working cattle... The real wealthy get to use them all because it's like the nation is just a service. We get sold to the highest bidder. America is a service. This isn't freedom or democracy. Our freedom is a like a fake free-range farm system. And it's getting even more evil as they start implementing Ai...
We are getting kettled. On a national scale.
StillAlive@piefed.world · 9 pts · 166d
But Democrats equally bad or something.
biscuit@lemdro.id · 32 pts · 166d
Maybe not equally but they will need to take a good chunk of responsibility for this.
Americans saw his first term, his attempts to bomb Iran were thwarted back then.
Americans watched as he tried to steal the 2020 election.
Americans and democrats had 4 years to punish him for this.
What did Americans do? They gave him an even bigger mandate in 2024.
Assuming the 2024 election was valid, this is an American-wide problem. You've all got to own this and you've all got to be the ones to do something about it.
angrystego@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 166d
Unfortunately it is now a world-wide problem. What are you going to do about it?
biscuit@lemdro.id · 3 pts · 166d
Protect myself as best I can financially from the coming recession. Little else I can do. Thankfully I live in a country with decent worker rights and benefits systems so even if I lose my job I should be able to bounce back. Not like capitalist dystopian USA.
IAmYouButYouDontKnowYet@reddthat.com · 1 pts · 166d
I'm American, so I'm going to stream the latest hot marvel movies and pay taxes to kill people so I can continue to be a worthless thoughtless human being.
uberdroog@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 166d
I resist.
humanspiral@lemmy.ca · 0 pts · 165d
With all of the Russia mentions in this thread, sometimes falling out of a window is pro democracy.
teyrnon@sh.itjust.works · -2 pts · 166d
It's pointless as enough people are encouraged by influence ops to support the dems to run opposition. And their leadership is doomed to fail. Fuck this country, straight to hell, waiting for the phoenix.
Kurroth@aussie.zone · 3 pts · 166d
Phoenixes rise from something burned to ashes. Not from something turned to shit. Sorry.
teyrnon@sh.itjust.works · -1 pts · 166d
Shit does burn after it dries. Or after held in anaerobic conditions it produces methane. So the analogy still kind of works.
That said, plato catalogued greek republics and noticed a pattern they all followed, and all have since, it's just a matter of time. A monarch is overthrown and a republic instituted. That republic in time decays through stages of oligarcic repression, although he breaks it down into specific stages, and in time, a true leader emerges, and rallies the people, and lays waste to the oligarchy, and becomes a sort of king again, which in time decays and a republic overthrows them and starts the cycle anew.
At a point, destroying the oligarchy is worth any cost. We are at that point. The current president is not caesar, but sulla, another stage of oligarchic repression, until a real leader emerges to lay waste to the oligarchy. The time is nigh, and epstein is the key.
Kurroth@aussie.zone · 0 pts · 166d
That's a lot of words and thout put into what is ultimately just hopeful coping.
teyrnon@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 166d
Pricklesthemagicfish@reddthat.com · 2 pts · 166d
Yeah they did so much to stop this in the last 50 years right right?
IAmYouButYouDontKnowYet@reddthat.com · -1 pts · 166d
...they all get played out by wealthy corrupted people. It's the entire culture that's fucked up.
StillAlive@piefed.world · 6 pts · 166d
Oh come on.
This is his second term. I'm not going to give free pass to trump voters, third party voters, and non-voters.
TotallynotJessica@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 0 pts · 165d
I'm not gonna give a free pass to the spineless conservative Democratic voters who were so afraid of rocking the boat that they refused to help change its course. Neoliberal ideologues and anti left fear mongering kept the party divided, and it's not like the left wing of the party were the ones unwilling to compromise. AOC played ball to have influence in the party, voting rights activists endorsed voter ID laws to try to compromise with Republicans, yet it didn't matter because they were always the ones who were expected to give something up. The right wing of the party used the spectre of needing to compromise with fascists to bend the progressive to heel, and they couldn't even win over the people on the right they were trying to appeal to.
The sad part is they doomed the party in 2020 when they voted for Biden because they wanted to "return to sanity." That was the last opportunity to right the ship, but because Bernie was still too radical despite the conservative losing in 2016, people voted for the "safe" picks in droves. It didn't even matter what the lower levels of the party demanded, as Biden refused to hold an open primary because he saw 1 win as a mandate for 2.
So no, it's not just the non-voters or third party voters who are responsible, but the rank and file Democrats who fumbled the game. Even the progressives should've been more demanding. People were still unaware of how bad things could get; unaware that left wing populism wasn't just an idealistic dream, but the necessary weapon for defeating right wing populism.
umbrella@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 166d
jaybone@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 166d
And all the Russians are responsible for Putin and his war crimes.
IAmYouButYouDontKnowYet@reddthat.com · 2 pts · 166d
I help fund it! I killed a bunch of people with my tax money, and I go about my day with extreme privilege, arrogance, naivety, and ignorance of the honest reality of what it means to be a human being.
🇺🇸🦅
How are people not realizing there's a narrative, a class of corrupted people, and psychological manipulation to keep us submissive? And it very well could have been an ideology preexisting America's founding.
This culture is a lie.
kreskin@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 165d
oh, are you from someplace free of zionist influence? Wheres that?
edit: oh I see from your comment history that you're from the UK. Your government is as big of a joke as the US is. Isnt your arcraft carrier over there doing Americas/Israels bidding right now? Glass houses, friend.
redsand@infosec.pub · -1 pts · 165d
Lol oh boy you have a lot to learn about Israel. TL;DR Ghislane Maxwell is a god
teyrnon@sh.itjust.works · -3 pts · 166d
Where are you from buddy? I bet your leaders have done some bullshit. People aren't responsible for their government necessarily.
umbrella@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 166d
teyrnon@sh.itjust.works · -1 pts · 166d
Ha, spoken like someone with no historical knowledge. The conservative romans were fucking pricks like the republicans dyed in wool for instance. Tamerlane? Shiiiiiit.
umbrella@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 166d
teyrnon@sh.itjust.works · -3 pts · 166d
umbrella@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 166d
teyrnon@sh.itjust.works · -4 pts · 166d
FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world · -11 pts · 166d
Go for it.
Your ignorance of American culture doesn't offend me.
Afaithfulnihilist@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 17 pts · 166d
We did this.
Trump is the inevitable result of liberals spending all their energy opposing progressives and cooperating with fascists.
The portion of the adult American population that remains blameless is vanishingly small.
We decided at some point to stop enforcing laws on rich people and the whole world is paying the consequence for that. We are mostly the source of most of the aggression on most of the planet, I don't know about you but I'm old enough to say it's been 40 years of this shit to my recollection.
FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world · -5 pts · 166d
Speak for yourself. I voted Green.
That's a salient point, but the 'we' you're pointing to isn't a part of this. Billionaires and the Epstein Class are who the finger should be pointing at. Voters only have any real power at the local level, unless you're planning to follow in the footsteps of Player 2.
Again, I'd argue there's no we here. The only power you or I have is in our local neighborhood, and in mine, we're doing good things. Hell, my city was one of the few to put a killer cop behind bars. (And in the US, you can count on your fingers the number of killer cops who've spent any time in prison.)
zeejoo@thelemmy.club · 10 pts · 166d
Then you did do this lmao
eksb@programming.dev · 2 pts · 166d
Depends where he lives. I always vote third party, but every district I am in is gerrymandered, and my state is not within 10 points of competitive for president, so my votes do not matter other than getting third parties on the ballot.
zeejoo@thelemmy.club · 4 pts · 166d
Jill Stein is a Russian asset and anyone who supported the green party in 2024 is a cuck who got trump elected. Even if your vote didn't matter, you contributed to the dialogue and publicity they got for their blatant effort to split the vote. We shouldn't have only 2 parties, but in the current system voting 3rd party is performative at best and genuinely dangerous at worst.
eksb@programming.dev · -3 pts · 166d
There are other 3rd parties.
amorpheus@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 166d
That seems like something you guys should have been more proactive about.
PeggyLouBaldwin@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 165d
the people who voted for trump got trump elected.
zeejoo@thelemmy.club · 1 pts · 165d
You keep telling yourself that.
FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world · -5 pts · 166d
A very useful comment. Thank you, and have a lovely Sunday.
zeejoo@thelemmy.club · 2 pts · 166d
About as useful as your vote?
FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 166d
FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 166d
Also, and this is really fun, I literally predicted this in September 2024.
zeejoo@thelemmy.club · 1 pts · 165d
Jill Stein is a Russian asset or at the very least a shill, and you're the idiot that fell for it and voted for her.
"Cornel West, he’s one of my favorite candidates. Cornel West and I like her also, Jill Stein, I like her very much. You know why? She takes 100% from them." - DJT
Stein recorded a video from Red Square, in which she talked about "the need to rein in American exceptionalism" and replace "a U.S. policy based on domination." Which, she's not wrong, but she wasn't saying it for the right reasons (hint hint red square).
Source
And then there's her position on Ukraine which is straight from the mouth of Putin and Lavrov.
“Russia’s invasion was a provoked response to the bigger, more murderous and illegal game plan of US empire… In 2014 the US backed a coup in Ukraine led by far-right insurrectionists. The installation of the new government was a giant step towards the goal of adding Ukraine to NATO - and putting hostile bases and nuclear-capable missiles right on Russia's border.” – Jill Stein (Feb. 24, 2022)
Then theres, you know, her having dinner with Putin. In Moscow. For..... Reasons?
But ya, blame everyone else instead of taking some personal responsibility for being a fucking moron.
biscuit@lemdro.id · 7 pts · 166d
American culture? What's that then?
FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 166d
Simple.
The billionaires decide.
You can blame the whole of the US population if you like, but voters here only have any power on the local level. National elections are wholly driven and decided by the billionaire class (which is why you saw both Democrats and Republicans fight so hard against Mamdani), so to me, it's a tad absurd to pretend that the people as a whole support this. That's even more true when you look at the 2025 and 2026 elections (so far), where nearly all of the candidates backed by Donald have lost, regardless of the state, and most in districts Donald won by double digits in 2024. (Demonstrating that people do not support the war in Iran or the pedophile coverup.)
Hell, Donald can't even gerrymander anymore, because the Republican Party can't accurately project where they have voter strength. That is the incredible extent to which people are opposed to this.
And you make yourself sound ignorant by pretending otherwise in the face of all of these facts.
The downside is that, since the Epstein Class controls politics at the national level, the opposition party doesn't really oppose anything, but there are a few candidates with some strength that could do some limited good, like Graham Platner.
phutatorius@lemmy.zip · 52 pts · 166d
Bombing powerplants is an attack on civilians and therefore a war crime.
Who is going to stop this addle-pated pigman?
Goferking0@ttrpg.network · 10 pts · 166d
We're at the point both sides could just be waiting for him to wipe Iran off the map before doing anything since can just make Trump the scapegoat and finally get their wished for attack on Iran
rwrwefwef@sh.itjust.works · 14 pts · 166d
At this point, Trump could just nuke Iran and both sides will cope about it being "a necessary measure to save lives from a ground invasion". The US has no inhibitions left anymore.
Goferking0@ttrpg.network · 11 pts · 166d
Dems will complain he didn't let then vote on it while also saying he had no choice 😑😞🙃
osanna@lemmy.vg · 1 pts · 164d
it's not necessarily a war crime. It depends on more than a few things, but one is such that if it's used to power the military, it can be a valid target to bomb. If civilian plants are used for the military at ALL, they can be bombed. The exception is water plants. they can never be bombed, or it's a war crime.
ExtremeDullard@piefed.social · 51 pts · 166d
Fascinating to watch the strategist in chief play three-dementia chess...
teyrnon@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 166d
Ha ha, I hate this three dimensional chess talk, and I play chess, but that is a good one.
First_Thunder@lemmy.zip · 46 pts · 166d
Merry war crimes
dellish@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 166d
Can't wait for my War Crimesmas present next year!
joan@lemmy.world · 37 pts · 166d
What even was the official objective of this war in the first place
Lagviper@lemmy.zip · 25 pts · 166d
They have a concept of an objective
Mrkawfee@lemmy.world · 24 pts · 165d
To facilitate the Greater Israel Project
RosaLuxemburgsGhost@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 165d
To facilitate US Imperialism’s and Israel’s greater domination of the region.
LogicalDrivel@sopuli.xyz · 19 pts · 166d
Armageddon.
Barring that, eternal warmongering for profit.
Madison420@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 165d
No joke but to bring about the biblical end times, Trump is just a useful idiot to the folks with money and bad intentions.
kreskin@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 165d
our war objective is to do whatever israel tells us to do.
orbitz@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 165d
Depends on the hour you asked that question, plus some alignments of planets and what crystals are doing, least from anything I can tell. Yet the US is letting him go ahead, huh. So whatever works for the US I guess.
floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 165d
War
humanspiral@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 165d
Was Israel's only objective, and therefore Trump cabinet/negotiators objectives. So far, war has just made Iranian people more enthusiastic about IRGC's dominance in the conflict. Electricity failure in the mildest month of the year won't change that, and there are rapid electricity restoration (solar) solutions.
GCC is faced with a survival threat for their demonic, either secret initial war support or the gaslighting of ever escalating escalation against Iran. Iran has offered peace with GCC even as they are backed into executing their total annihilation. There is an important global community private communications with US channel path, even as anti-Iran public comments continue, that can try to convince Trump of declaring victory while accepting real defeat, which lets world reopen Gulf without US interference.
WanderWisley@lemmy.world · 28 pts · 165d
This mother fucker is going to get us all killed.
gon@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 28 pts · 166d
JoMiran@lemmy.ml · 19 pts · 166d
angrystego@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 166d
Ha, never new Pikachu design was based on Cleese!
Gsus4@mander.xyz · 22 pts · 166d
The bombings will continue until you like us more than your violent government...seems like a solid plan...
Furbag@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 165d
"obliterate", like how he "obliterated" the Iranian's nuclear capabilities last June?
So I should expect they'll be producing at full capacity again in 8 months then? Is that how this works?
3abas@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 165d
Most of the middle east will be in the dark, energy production and distribution from the gulf will be set back for decades, and this will effect the whole world. Israel and US probably counting on dragging Europe kicking and screaming into this war to stop the complete failure of the US.
Fucking idiots.
AlexLost@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 165d
Again, going after civilian infrastructure targets rather than military ones. And who gets the contract to rebuild this infrastructure? This douche bag is gonna start a world war because him and his friends will get rich building the bombs, using the bombs, and rebuilding the shit they themselves have blown up. Blown up for the sole reason to make a lot of really rich people even richer. We are all so fucked... Humans, man.
echodot@feddit.uk · 5 pts · 165d
It's not humans that are the problem, it's specific individuals that are the problem. Basically it's like 12 people.
AlexLost@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 165d
Nah, it's power that's the problem, it goes to your head. The species has a problem with sharing and caring. Not all of us, true. But a whole lot of us, yes.
Greyghoster@aussie.zone · 2 pts · 164d
There is a bit of comfort in the thought that he will be dead soon. With his health and lifestyle, it can’t be far off. Not soon enough but..
El_Scapacabra@lemmy.zip · 19 pts · 165d
Based on what I know about how Trump operates, I'm fully convinced he is just creating an excuse to launch a nuke at someone, either Iran, Cuba, Venezuela, Mexico, Greenland, any country he can. Because that's the one thing he has just been itching to do his entire presidency. Using the special codes to launch a nuclear bomb to prove to the world and to himself that he really is as powerful as God himself.
I am actually willing to bet that we're eventually going to learn that he has already tried at least once but someone has (until now) managed to block it.
Someone is going to get nuked if Trump is not stopped.
resipsaloquitur@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 166d
We obliterate nuclear enrichment sites so hard they come back online mere weeks later. No one obliterates like us.
obinice@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 166d
The US seems to want us to be extremely focused on one small part of their war - the Strait of Hormuz. It's all they ever harp on about.
What's the situation across the rest of the theatre? How close is the US to accomplishing it's primary war goals?
Why do they suspiciously want us to ignore everything else and focus on this one international shipping transit lane?
protist@retrofed.com · 36 pts · 166d
US here. Uh...can you share what those war objectives are? We have not been told
Mr_WorldlyWiseman@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 9 pts · 166d
Assuming they're the same as Venezuela:
The reason why this failed, was that the dictator's successor in this instance refused to cooperate with Trump.
ryper@lemmy.ca · 8 pts · 166d
Also: Shut down Iran's nuclear weapons development that accelerated after "Trump I" pulled the US out of the deal that was keeping it in check.
panda_abyss@lemmy.ca · 8 pts · 166d
They’ve changed all the goalposts and now it’s destroying civilian infrastructure and manufacturing.
qaz@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 166d
I think it's quite simple, the blockade is causing oil prices to spike which is seemingly the only thing the public in the US actually considers a problem about the whole war. Opening the strait would stop that and would allow them the continue without getting absolutely destroyed in the midterms.
rwrwefwef@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 166d
Problem is, to defend their side of the strait, the US has to redeploy their defenses from places like Korea, Taiwan and Ukraine, which weakens their global position in these regions.
But yes, the US public couldn't care less as long as it doesn't affect them.
ExtremeDullard@piefed.social · 4 pts · 166d
It's called the Strait of Epstein Distraction now.
IAmYouButYouDontKnowYet@reddthat.com · 3 pts · 166d
This seems to have more truth and credibility to it than american politics and media. It's also what Peter theil talks about. When they say people are the antichrist, they are talking about the people that are against these religious extremist wars. And it seems to also align with the Christian nationalism marketing etc... humanity is being played out for ancient psychopath ideologies. While it's all just vague connections being connected it still seems more honest than what we are groomed for.
https://youtu.be/r-Xv-lUhVv8
CosmoNova@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 166d
Guess I‘ll hold off watching news and quietly enjoy the little pre WW3 peace time I have.
IAmYouButYouDontKnowYet@reddthat.com · 2 pts · 166d
Imo ww3 is going to bring me peace.
I bought a baseball glove to catch the bombs.
IAmYouButYouDontKnowYet@reddthat.com · 14 pts · 166d
Who would have though Iran would save America!?
DarkFuture@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 165d
teyrnon@sh.itjust.works · 11 pts · 166d
Give up your only leverage while we horsefuck you or else we will horse fuck you! Brilliant! /s
kreskin@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 165d
very putin-like of him. impotent dictators outclassed by the problems they caused and pretending they have been fighting a war with one hand tied behind their back and unless they are able to give orders to their enemies they will unleash their true power is one of the most pathetic things.
You cant escalate if you are already at war and already committing war crimes.
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 165d
strength doesn't need threats, pussy.
I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 166d
Can't wait for TACO Tuesday
muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 165d
Trump, you still don’t get it. There is no incentive to comply.
rwrwefwef@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 166d
Many people here will accuse the United States of using Israeli tactics and of trying to pull a Gaza on Iran. That's not true.
This time, they're taking a page from the Russian playbook by targeting civilian infrastructure in an attempt to do collective punishment. We can see how much success these tactics have had in the past, and somehow are to believe that it will be different this time.
Redredme@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 166d
Looks at history. Dresden firestorms. Nagasaki. Agent Orange. NATO vs Serbia. Current day Cuba.
Russian playbook? It just is THE playbook. Everybody does it and has done it since like forever.
Grazed@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 166d
Targeting civilian infrastructure is absolutely an Israeli tactic as well
HugeNerd@lemmy.ca · 12 pts · 166d
Russia Russia Russia. JFC. The "Russian playbook" while the US had 500000 dead under its belt just in Iraq during the comic book episode of "WMD" and Albright saying it was worth it? On nighttime news? Not in private.
But Russia's the problem. Doing nothing even close to what you claim. Meanwhile Israel just needs to say "tunnel" and oops everything's a legit target, a target of weapons you supply.
Can I get a MRI of your brain? I've always wanted to see a single proton in a vacuum.
8oow3291d@feddit.dk · -11 pts · 166d
Often it is the case (and documented) that Hamas deliberately used hospitals and residential buildings to shoot from, or for other military purposes. In that case, by the laws of war, Israel is actually allowed to level those buildings - and Hamas are the ones who committed a war crime. A fact that often seems utterly lost in social media posts. Often in war, a party will retreat from or surrender a city, rather than shoot from the buildings, if the defending party is not a death cult.
Power plants can be military targets, and as such valid to bomb. But... Trump has pretty much stated here that he is bombing them as terror against civilians, which is a war crime. So Trump is arguably behaving worse than Israel.
humanspiral@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 165d
How far is Tel Aviv from a Palestinian hospital?
8oow3291d@feddit.dk · -2 pts · 165d
How is that relevant?
humanspiral@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 165d
Israelis that stay away from Palestinian hospital war fortresses of doom would be out of range.
8oow3291d@feddit.dk · 0 pts · 165d
You know that Hamas entered Israel and took lots of innocent civilian hostages, right? Which Israel enetered Gaza to get back. Hence, Israel had an extremely good reason to enter Gaza.
kreskin@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 165d
zionist propoganda BS framing. War crimes supporters like yourself shouldnt be allowed to post on social media.
rozodru@piefed.world · 5 pts · 166d
and considering how well and easily Iran has been able to retaliate at various targets yeah...this will go swimmingly.
ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online · 4 pts · 165d
I really, REALLY hate this timeline.
Greyghoster@aussie.zone · 4 pts · 165d
Didn’t Iran say that it would cripple civilian infrastructure in the gulf like desal plants and fossil fuel infrastructure? Sounds like another game of chicken and we know TACO. So do the Iranians. If Iran clobbers the infrastructure in the gulf then open it by all means. Nothing to ship for years.
roofTophopper@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 166d
So when questioned about boots on the ground or why other nations weren't told about the attack, we get the "why would I tell you that? Are you a stupid person"?
Social media: WE WILL ASPLOAD ALL YOUR POWER PLANTS, STARTING WITH THE LARGEST.
Makes sense.
FauxPseudo@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 166d
Which will cause a refuge crisis and destabilize the whole area even more.
nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 165d
do it pussy
Tronn4@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 165d
😅😅