Trump says US to start blockading the Strait of Hormuz immediately
https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/trump-says-us-start-blockading-strait-hormuz-2026-04-12/
https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/trump-says-us-start-blockading-strait-hormuz-2026-04-12/
100 Comments
ryper@lemmy.ca · 206 pts · 128d
Pretty sure what Trump is opposed to is him not getting a cut of the toll.
floofloof@lemmy.ca · 116 pts · 128d
Once again the whole world has to suffer because of Trump's insatiable ego and greed, and his bottomless stupidity. May he be gone soon.
KoboldCoterie@pawb.social · 61 pts · 128d
He did previously say that as the "winners" of the war, the US was entitled to collect that toll, basically. So, yeah, I think you're spot on.
andrewrgross@slrpnk.net · 44 pts · 128d
This is truly an April Fools-level move.
The US is closing the Strait? The generals couldn't open it, so Hegseth said, 'Okay! I've got it! We declare that WE'RE closing it, NOT THEM!'
How ... is this better?
stickyprimer@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 128d
Iran was allowing some ships through. The logic is that if it’s closed to the US it must be closed to everyone (it was not before).
Do I think this is a good move? No. Do I think Trump and Hegseth have three brain cells between them? No.
But it also isn’t hard to understand their angle here. It’s not better for anyone. But the idea is to make it worse for Iran than the previous phase, where they had control of the strait.
electric_nan@lemmy.ml · 10 pts · 128d
Gonna be a hard sell to the rest of the world who is largely able to negotiate passage with Iran. US navy is gonna hijack ships enroute from the strait to China?
stickyprimer@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 128d
I agree. A US blockade of Hormuz was actually always a reserve strategy to put a chokehold on China if they invade Taiwan. Now we’re just playing that card for no fucking reason at all. This administration is dumb as fuck and I can’t believe there isn’t even anyone in the military who can stop them. I guess that’s what we see with Hegseth’s long line of dismissals.
electric_nan@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 128d
China is definitely not going to accept such a turn of events without response. I hope they give Iran some nukes.
stickyprimer@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 128d
The US has worked steadily to make Iranian nukes absolutely inevitable.
andrewrgross@slrpnk.net · 2 pts · 128d
I get the logic. But it's still really dumb.
fartographer@lemmy.world · 35 pts · 128d
Oh good. Nazi pirates. How did we end up with a real life plot more stupid than Water World?
ThePantser@sh.itjust.works · 18 pts · 128d
Does that mean they are gonna attack anyone that paid? Also when he starts charging does that mean they will destroy any ships right after they pay?
datendefekt@feddit.org · 4 pts · 128d
What I don't get is how are they going to prove that the ships paid toll? Especially if they are paid in crypto.
Oh, who am I fooling. They'll just harass anything coming through. Or maybe not. Maybe depending on which flag the ship flies.
CileTheSane@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 128d
They'll just stop any ship not coming to or from the US. Just like how ICE abducts everyone who isn't white enough, citizen or not.
SilverCode@lemmy.ml · 9 pts · 128d
Illegal toll? Who's laws govern the strait that make these tolls illegal?
Typhoon@lemmy.ca · 10 pts · 128d
International law says that any toll is illegal.
middlemanSI@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 127d
Except if it is paid to the emperor without clothes...
random_character_a@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 128d
yesman@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 128d
Lot's of people avoid using the word retard. But that's hard on some people because the loss of that word can decimate their whole vocabulary.
I support your freedom of expression; language is hard, and some people need verbal prognostics to make their point. It's rude to pick on people just because of a diminished capacity.
random_character_a@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 128d
By calling out the decline of Trumps cognitive abilities, I offended subset of people who should in my view never ever be called a "retard"?
I do apologise to anyone who still wants to identify as one.
athatet@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 128d
It’s just not necessary to use slurs. That’s all.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 128d
i'm torn. we shame them away from using this one, they'll just move onto the next. it's not the meaning behind the word that they like, it's the fact that it's a slur. hence the euphemism treadmill.
athatet@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 128d
That still doesn’t mean that we need to use it.
Also, we absolutely should shame these people. Let them move onto the next one. We will shame them for that too. Bigots don’t get to have things.
shani66@ani.social · 1 pts · 128d
athatet@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 128d
My vocab is diminished because I don’t use slurs? That sounds like an incredible trade off. I think I will keep it up.
crusa187@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 128d
One of his many word salads involved an offer to split the tolls between us and Iran, so yeah, that’s what he wants. The dummy simply didn’t realize access to the strait was so valuable until after the bombs started dropping.
JaumeI@programming.dev · 136 pts · 128d
Isn't that... piracy? Not USAs waters, not USAs petrol...
Pickleideas@lemmy.world · 95 pts · 128d
Hasn't stopped them from stealing oil from Venezuela and Cuba
JaumeI@programming.dev · 9 pts · 128d
Sure it hasn't. But now they are ruining the pockets of the whole world.
Typhoon@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 128d
Expect it to continue because he isn't going to stop while he has power.
JaumeI@programming.dev · 10 pts · 128d
Our only hope is that Europe and China get tired of the crybaby and begin to do something for real, I guess.
Typhoon@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 128d
Yeah. It's obvious the Americans won't do anything.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 128d
those people being rounded up and sent off to camps where they're disappearing? how dare they be rounded up and disappear instead of dying at the problem for us.
Typhoon@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 128d
No I mean the 350+ million other Americans who continue going to work every day to keep the corrupt fascist machine running.
WolfmanEightySix@piefed.social · 1 pts · 127d
They have been for a while.
flandish@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 128d
no. it’s invasion and war.
JaumeI@programming.dev · 2 pts · 128d
Yes , but now they are the ones making everyone's petrol much more expensive, if it even gets there.
flandish@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 128d
yes and. :)
JaumeI@programming.dev · 2 pts · 128d
One can hope than (sadly) onlu then, some countries might intervene for real.
flandish@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 128d
i fuckin hope so. last time it took a few million russians to take down berlin. dc is a bit more of a walk.
rc__buggy@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 128d
Sure sounds like it's more piracy to me.
sturmblast@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 127d
Yup
Shellofbiomatter@lemmus.org · 83 pts · 128d
Wasn't Iran already doing that before and wasn't the main goal to open it up again?
magnue@lemmy.world · 71 pts · 128d
Yeah but if they say it this way it sounds like they're in control of the situation
Eril@feddit.org · 10 pts · 128d
It's so in a few days he can "re-open" the strait again, declaring that everything is back to normal: "No president ever opened as many straits as I did"
mctoasterson@reddthat.com · 19 pts · 128d
The idea being to choke off Iran's ability to use it at all. This kills their remaining income stream and also incents the Chinese and others who thought they had a workaround (the tolls) to instead put pressure on Iran.
marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today · 10 pts · 128d
MartianSands@sh.itjust.works · 13 pts · 128d
The fact that it's a bad idea doesn't mean that isn't the reason
marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today · 3 pts · 128d
PoastRotato@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 128d
This is not news
plyth@feddit.org · 1 pts · 128d
Are the pipelines still operational?
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 0 pts · 128d
iran can ship it through central asia, or other asian countries overland .
NobodyElse@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 128d
But that only works if the US is willing to start attacking unarmed oil tankers, which will do no favors for their international support.
If they hadn’t alienated all their allies, they could build an embargo until the straits were opened but that ship had sailed.
humanspiral@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 128d
China is both extremely well supplied with Oil, and aggressively weaning itself off of oil. It's everyone else in Asia who are now pressured to get closer to China from this. Asia cutting US off from Chips, and selling to China instead, until US leaves the Gulf region, is the most effective action. Diplomatically, asserting that the US/Israel illegal war is the primary source of fuel and helium shortages needed to make chips, industry needs to focus on serving friendly country needs first.
ripcord@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 128d
The idea being to kill off Iran's leverage, which is control of the Strait.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 0 pts · 128d
it wasnt being used all for the most part its not that hard, and not some genius plan by trump. besides russia and china has other ways of getting around it anyways.
humanspiral@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 128d
In Hegseth's voice... Why can't you idiots understand how clear our, sorry I mean our great President's, mission has always been. We needed to start this excursion, because Iran was about to extort the world through a blockade. It's extortion when Iran does it. We are liberating the world when we
extort, uhm ... uhm... liberate them from Iranian extortion. To pre-empt some of the news you will hear later this week. Iran was already threatening the region with opening Trump branded golf courses on its soil, and so America needed to make sure our friends in the region did so before hand. Radical left wing media not understanding that we won the war because 10 more Trump golf courses are opening in Gulf and 0 in Iran, just don't understand that freedom isn't free.Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 128d
yes, trump is doing 2 things right now, try and pump and dump the markets and continued distraction from epstein files. given how bondi was replaced very quickly BY BLANCHE, and suddenly melania coming out of the woodwork to give a "i did not help diddle kids" speech.
Blackmist@feddit.uk · 2 pts · 128d
I'm still trying to work out if this one's a late April Fool...
Imagine working for the man. You just hear crazy shit day in, day out, and have to quickly adapt and run with it, otherwise he'll find another mug who will.
finallymadeanaccount@lemmy.world · 63 pts · 128d
Is it my imagination, or is that stretch of water and the water surrounding it not US territory, thus making what he wants to do (interdict) kind of ... piracy?
Eric@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 25 pts · 128d
Blockading is considered an act of war
whotookkarl@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 44 pts · 128d
Art of the idiot
Upgrayedd1776@sh.itjust.works · 26 pts · 128d
GalacticSushi@piefed.blahaj.zone · 39 pts · 128d
I think he's just pissed off that Iran is letting Chinese ships thorough. So now the question is whether Trump is stupid and deranged enough to attack any Chinese ships that ignore this illegal blockade, which would probably kick off World War 3 in earnest.
NotSteve_@lemmy.ca · 13 pts · 128d
If it broke out in WW3 then I think most of the world's public support would be behind China. The US has always been a hostile bully but Americans generally kept it contained to poorer countries that didn't have as much of a voice. Now though...
brucethemoose@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 128d
That's not Xi's style. I don't think he'd try unless he wants a plausible excuse to kick off a Taiwan assault.
...And, as far as my understanding goes, if Xi wants to do it, now would be an optimal time. Wait any longer, and Taiwan will just get more fortified.
redsand@infosec.pub · 2 pts · 127d
Why do that when they can just sell bonds and watch Bessent have a stroke on TV
Akh@lemmy.world · 32 pts · 128d
He cant blockade something controlled by someone else who already shut it.
FancyPantsFIRE@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 128d
“You can’t quit, you’re fired!”
stephan262@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 128d
Well if you're going to fire me, I'm gonna fire the warehouse.
ShellMonkey@piefed.socdojo.com · 31 pts · 128d
He wants the money, that Iran wasn't charging before he invaded, for himself is as near I can figure. Master negotiator with a grand plan.
hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 26 pts · 128d
Bluescluestoothpaste@sh.itjust.works · 11 pts · 128d
Lol is that a sea mine XD
chatokun@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 127d
(Apologies if you were just making a joke) It's an old but gold comic, and the object is just a device. Like a macguffin.
Bluescluestoothpaste@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 127d
No i didn't know the origin but it's funny it still looks like a sea mine lol
friend_of_satan@lemmy.world · 24 pts · 128d
Open the fucking strait you crazy bastard!
some_kind_of_guy@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 128d
Hail Satan!
crystalmerchant@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 128d
Boy it turns out that George Lucas sure was right about the importance of blockading a trade route
Murse@slrpnk.net · 18 pts · 128d
Surely this time people will stop talking about the Epstein files...
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 128d
especially when melania made a speech how she "wasnt involved in diddling kids,or helped diddle kids"
6stringringer@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 128d
I mean like, right? 🤔
roguetrick@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 128d
Jesus Christ. I certainly didn't have this on my rapidly flailing bingo card of the US punching itself in the face.
Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 17 pts · 128d
What's next: America blowing up its own bases in the Middle East? Killing its own soldiers? Crashing its own planes?
blockheadjt@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 128d
The plane crashing thing already happened, after the DEI purge
orlyowl@piefed.ca · 15 pts · 128d
This is a terrifyingly ridiculous timeline we find ourselves in.
redsand@infosec.pub · 13 pts · 128d
BigMacHole@thelemmy.club · 11 pts · 128d
OpenClose the STRAIT!-Trump!
rayyy@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 128d
That's bound to increase the price of oil.
HubertManne@piefed.social · 8 pts · 128d
this goes back to are trumps decisions based on some long odd bets on the totally not maninpualted gambling markets.
Wataba@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 128d
The American military are legitimate targets.
rwrwefwef@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 128d
Or what?
Klox@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 128d
Lmfao, the guy knows a thing or two about
illegal taxationextortion.Steve@startrek.website · 6 pts · 128d
What a stupid piece of shit
CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de · 4 pts · 128d
I guess now we find out how defensible the strait
If Iran can close it thoroughly, they can also keep the US Navy pretty busy. How many Shahed does it take to disable a destroyer? We will find out.
humanspiral@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 128d
The US can blockade the entrance to Persian Gulf which is further away from Iran. Oil tankers are lightly armed/defended and slower than Aircraft carrier fighter jets.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 128d
you can just throw hundreds at one, and spend less than one of thier US missiles.
sturmblast@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 127d
These morons....
gdog05@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 128d
There are a lot of people who want this level of destabilization and interruption of goods and energy security. Techno feudalists want this. Trump needs to feel powerful, so someone like Peter Theil who is trying to bring about Armageddon could easily convince Trump that this move makes him look powerful instead of a target by the rest of the world.
MonsterMonster@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 128d
And the twist in the plot is that Iran unblocks the Strait of Hormuz.
tacoplease@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 128d
Notorious pirate Captain Jackoff Turkey
jacksilver@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 128d
Im surprised by the comments here, this was an obvious outcome of Iran dictating that only Iranian interests could use the strait. The only real move for the US is to block all traffic (or at least all traffic heading to Iran). Why would the US allow Iran to continue to sell oil while Iran is destroying other ships.
I'm sure the GCC have no issue with this policy, and it doesn't really change the situation for most other US aligned countries as they weren't buying Iranian oil for the most part anyways. No one wants Iran to be able to charge for access to the Strait and this would put pressure on the to find a more agreeable end to the conflict.
Not supporting either side, just stating that this is a reasonable strategic move for the US.
roguetrick@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 128d
Because the US cannot both declare freedom of navigation as the most important part of the straight while also blockading non-US allies which they've explicitly threatened to do. If you approach it from a realpolitik angle like you are right now, then it justifies Iran's actions in closing the straight from that very perspective. The US will not get to have it both ways. Either Iran was justified in closing the straight in response to US aggression or the US is violating international law and general principles of trade.
jacksilver@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 128d
You make it sound like blockades are not common events during a war. Just cause the US is blockading the strait right now doesn't negate their desire for free passage in the future.
Additionally, if people didn't think Iran was justified in closing the strait (due to a war) then they probably wouldn't be negotiating with them for access.
This is what happens during war, both sides look for ways to create pressure on the other to force them to the table. Iran is fighting an uphill battle so needs to turn people against the US by limiting oil shipments, but that doesn't mean the US is just going to let them keep selling their oil.
humanspiral@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 128d
To keep oil prices from rising too high, with whole countries running dry. While GOP will portray it as 100% democrats fault, west coast runs out of jet fuel in a week or so.
Something Iran can do to force GCC to demand an end to war within 10 days is to destroy all desalination infrastructure
It is a legal response to an illegal war. Reparations paid to Iran (normally by US) that US adoring colonies can pay instead would satisfy Iran's revenue generation/compensation rationale.