Oh wait till you find out about how modern cars are mining your data, including facial recognition and reporting of you are having sex in the car! And the best part itās all unregulated! Govt can simply buy the info for tracking even your Phone would be jealous of!
As someone who makes that software that does this, we can't even figure out how to properly handle the data we actually want, like analytics to see if anyone actually uses the auto feature on your air conditioner. Nobody actually cares if you have sex in your car. Besides you're on Lemmy we know your aren't having sex.
Why is it all in the terms of service? Also there have there been numerous data leaks. The sex thing is from a specific manufacturer mās TOS, but nonetheless
Very few of the ones around me have the built in ad players. Several stations blare ads (inevitably largely for themselves, curiously enough) over the PA system constantly, though.
The ZIP code thing is for credit card verification. I ask for that too, when you pay me by credit card. I don't have a choice unless I'd like to enjoy zero fraud and chargeback protection.
The gas station nearest me has screens that show ads, but they're just for that facility and they don't have audio. However, the store does have a PA system constantly playing audio, a combination of music and ads.
My favorite ad is the one that advertises themselves to advertisers. I don't remember the exact wording, but it's basically "want to advertise something? We've essentially got a captive audience and there are a lot of them!"
Show ads on the screen -> screen is vandalised -> nobody can buy gas anymore -> people go to the gas station without ads (and thereby functioning screens) -> lose money to the competition-> recognise that you lose money by blaring ads -> stop blaring ads -> .... -> profit
Ohh that is a great idea. We can put different markers in different brands and then detect those markers in a customer's breath to tell what brand they are using on the fly.
Then when you develop cancer from exposure we can use this information to market other brands. After all, why would you use Shell gas if it gave you cancer when you could use Exxon instead.
Its a matter of abundance and where the government decides that abundance can go. Desal is expensive, but you have all the energy you need to power it flowing out of the ground, the cost is somewhat defrayed.
The Gulf states chose to hoard the wealth at the top and build major hubs without reliable public transit. Which is reflective of a policy decision. Its also a matter of what refineries are where and what grade of oil they will process.
There was a Planet Money episode that broke down where the $4/gallon went in 2022:
$2.40 for the price of crude oil when priced at $100/barrel.
$0.65 to the refiner that turns crude oil into gasoline (this was the prevailing spread in 2022, maybe different now).
$0.184 in federal taxes
$0.30 in state taxes
$0.20 to $0.50 for transportation from the refiner to the actual retail station.
Remainder is for the retailer (usually about $0.30 but fluctuates wildly).
That's how it is in the U.S. In other countries, it might be higher taxes, higher cost of refining, higher costs of transportation from the refiner, and higher margins for the retailer.
Yea, TVs are all āSmartā now.
But they donāt have any truly new or useful features, they just record your conversations and transmit occurrences of keywords as āusage and diagnosticā data. I guess now they can use wifi to do occupancy scans of your house too, so thatās fun. Oh and they use Bluetooth to scan for nearby devices that are willing to cooperate in case you donāt put them on the LAN and they transmit that way.
Anyway, TNG has left Netflix. Can you fucking believe it?
Nearly all tvs are smart tvs that make money with showing ads and selling data. Any loss on the hardware is made up on selling customer data and ad space. The tvs would be amazing if they didn't come with smart features.
You want your favorite streaming service on there? Get an older (used office) PC, load it up with (your prefered flavor of) Linux, get a bluetooth keyboard mouse combo, hook it up to your HDMI port, and go ham.
Some TVs even let you turn them on directly to a specific HDMI port for a bonus fun time of never having to see the TVs menu.
Not really, the smarts are integrated into the control circuitry. You can't bypass them and turn them into simple, dumb displays.
Depending on the model, you can block the TV from the internet and leave it on set to one of the inputs and the smarts bits won't bother you again. Other ones are more intrusive and pushy about it.
2018 is about when it started but it was a very small number of tvs. By 2020 it was a common thing but it was a dedicated line of tvs from each brand. By 2024 it was all cheaper tvs basically. And now it's basically every TV and even some monitors.
The non smart TVs are almost as hard to find now as finding a smart one was in 2018. And monitors are starting to have smart features and ads even among the highest end offerings. But unlike tvs they arnt any cheaper for it. Its stupid.
TVs were always cheap compared to cost to make the things - it's not just the "oh, they have advertising now" thing.
Source: I worked in electronics retail in the late 80s/early 90s, and in one of the world's largest consumer electronics firms when my career proper started.
The TVs in the window of the local electronics chain store (or in Walmart) were sold at practically zero margin, or more often than not at a loss. The retail chains would basically hold a gun to the CE companies heads and tell them if you're not willing to sell at a loss, nothing you make is going in the window display, or worst case we're not selling you at all.
The retail chains didn't care because all their profit was in selling accessories and unnecessary extended warranties. The CE companies hoped that they could make it up by selling you the more expensive model they actually made a profit on once you were in the door, or by selling you a VCR or whatever as well.
This is why the TV companies were always looking for a "next big thing" (flat-screen, ultraflat, widescreen, HD, 3D, 4k, 8k...) to differentiate the "next model up", which is to say the model the store would actually allow them to make a profit on.
This particular race-to-the-bottom mutually assured destruction business model is also the reason there is practically no consumer electronics manufacturing left in the West, of course. And why manufacturers grasp at stuff like advertising.
TVs wereĀ alwaysĀ cheap compared to cost to make the things - it's not just the "oh, they have advertising now" thing.
Yes, and the cost of making them keeps dropping. When you were selling TVs in 1991, a 30 inch TV cost about $500 in 1991 dollars. The technology back then just basically made it complex and labor intensive to manufacture, and they were so heavy that it actually took significant number of human labor hours just to get it from factory to store to the specific store's display. Merely putting a 30 inch TV in the window of a store was probably a 2-man lift.
Whereas today it's a bunch of robots in cleanrooms automating production of high volumes of solid state LCD components to where full color displays can be put in cheap appliances, and finished 30 inch TVs being thin and light enough to be moved with one hand while sipping a coffee with the other.
I'm not surprised it's much cheaper today, even a tiny fraction of the time period you're talking about, even when back then they were selling at a loss.
I try to always be nice to retail staff, because I remember well the sheer misery of having to stand sandwiched in a too-small window display cabinet, scraper in one hand and bottle of weak vinegar in the other, scraping the bloody advertising stickers off the glass (that were stuck on with a glue stronger than cement) with a roasting hot halogen floodlamp about 1" from your head, just because a new range has come in... Particularly soul-destroying if it's that time of year when the same 5 royalty-free Christmas songs are on permanent loop in the background.
And yeah, you make a very good point. Sheer size/weight and cost of shipping would have been a huge chunk of the price of those old TVs! Not to mention the cost of healthcare for all the staff who put their back out dragging the damned things to and from The Cage... ;)
TVs are made from components that are made through almost entirely automated processes at such large scales that the underlying raw material and cost of shipping become the main driver of cost. Paradoxically, that means that TVs that have gotten thinner and lighter use less material and therefore have a lower floor of how little it can cost.
Once a production line is set up to make the components, each additional one produced costs very little, so making high volume runs is the key: lots of shared parts between brands and models, very long production runs to minimize the cost of redesign or retooling or downtime.
The fuck? Milk is 2x to 4x cheaper ($0.50-$1.00) than the most common gasoline, Natural 95 ($2.10) here. I thought you'd get something from those crazy "Got milk?" dairy subsidies...
(Multiply by 4.5 to get US units rather than liters)
It's fewer syllables, what's the problem? And yes, milk is cheaper here than the same quality in the US (despite our 12% VAT) so I don't see why "cheaper" next to it would feel wrong... And don't forget that we don't get the crap "regular" gasoline with as low as 87 octane rating, the lowest widely available one is 95. Similarly, 75 % of milk drunk here is UHT-treated, as opposed to 10 % in the US.
87 AKI is widely available in the US as the minimum octane rating. That translates to 91 RON. I've never seen anything under 95 here in Estonia, or at least not this century. 95 and 98 are the only commonly found numbers. 98 is available in the US too, as 93 AKI, but not everywhere as I understand.
because expensiveness is a scale that starts from 0 so you always know how expensive everything is. cheapness works the other way, so there's no starting point. that means there's no way to quantify how cheap the first thing is, in order to double that. in your example gasoline would have to be the least cheap thing possible, which means nothing can be more expensive.
it's like saying someone's twice as short as someone else. half as tall makes sense, twice as short is a weird way to say it because how short is the first person?
"Cheaper" means "less expensive". 2x cheaper means 2x less expensive, or less expensive by a factor of 2, or 0.5x as expensive. I can say 2x shorter, 2x slower etc. and I don't see a problem. The adjectives "cheap" and "expensive" don't relate to a number quantity called "expensiveness" or "cheapness" but "price" or "cost", which is what the factor applies to, and the word specifies if it's an increase or decrease. Everyone I know would understand that it's the reciprocal of the original price, although I get that in a country whose president can say he slashed proces by 500 % without instantly having to resign, fractions and percentages might have to be specified but that's longer to say for the same number of significant figures.
Yes, I can find people debating "two times cheaper" (English) but not "zweimal billiger" (German) or "dvakrĆ”t levnÄjÅ”Ć" (Czech), in fact the phrase is often used in promotional material. The only results suggesting it's wrong are English Reddit discussions' automatic translations to German or Czech, and Google's AI summary that cotes them.
I won't stop using it just because people with inferior education sometimes don't get it. Similarly, I provided the metric value and conversion rate, it's Americans who need to practice mental math.
Whatever, I'm not convincing anyone with my use of metric and username. I'm avoiding some other weird phrases though, for example you won't usually see me type "14 days" in English although Czech speakers prefer it to "2 weeks" (idk why, it's the same number of syllables).
Actually, Bloomberg Finance recently warned about how the cattle replacement level is precariously low in the US. It takes a minimum of a one-year forecast to gauge how many dairy cows will be born to reach milk production status, and apparently farmers are having a difficult time with all the debt and limited resources hampering them. Because of the US's red meat addiction, we are currently at best only at minimum replacement, which is really concerning until the nation reduces some of its cattle consumption; otherwise, beef prices will continue to rise...
Well weāre talking about maintaining cows for food at a sustainable level, the US is stupid in all aspects and should not be considered. The rest of the world isnt greedy and fat like Americans.
As far as Iām concerned the US is an isolated dictatorship like NK so their numbers are al over the place depending on who is dear leader
So wait tire saying they arenāt? Or are you still insisting petroleum is renewable? Milk is renewable, gas is finite, so gas should not be cheaper than milk. Thats a pretty easy point
More than a few commenting about raising prices and canceling contracts of customers not willing to pay enough to cover it
Its not an insignificant difference either, like +$40 on a weekly cut for a quarter acre lot. That's between a 35-50% price increase depending on the market of the people I'm watching
The trucks to get there being the big portion of that increase not the mowers, but certainly the mower/trimmer/blower opex increased as well
Regardless though anyone not running primary electric rigs are definitely hurting right now
Those who invested into it early, and especially those who got State and Govt incentives, before the current administration shut them down have a massive opportunity to cash in over at least the next ~2 years while this settles, keeping their prices just below whatever their competitors have to charge until their routes are fully booked while those running gas are forced to raise prices and renegociate contracts to maintain profits
i took a chance last year and bought a honda ruckus for daily driving. it pays for itself in the gas im saving, i spend abt 10 bucks a month for gas. i hope to upgrade to a real bike at some point but for now i will enjoy the 100mpg perk.
I was refering at a tank as in "Main battle tank".
That being said, I have 2 kids and my car is (I just checked) 3.81 meters long. I'm not even sure cars of that size are still being sold in north America. What I'm sure of is that finding a convenient one of this size is becoming complicated in Europe, so my next one will probably be a tad bigger.
Still, I don't understand what so called trucks or SUV are for.
Both are true. Manufacturing costs went down significantly, but non-smart TVs are now more expensive than equivalent smart TVs by over $100 from what I have seen.
Visit Japan or the EU and their fuels prices make the USA cheap. It is odd in the USA, most people are concerned about fuel prices, but healthcare costs are far worse.
A large portion of US adults don't understand the difference between simple and compound interest.
Many are living with less than 1 month salary as savings.
This results in a largr portion with neither the mental space nor capability (or both) to worry about 6 months down the line when they have to worry for 6 days down the line
Gas is a cheat code to decades of stored solar energy. It won't be cheap for ever. Once you mine up all that shit it's gone.
Look at WV and their coal. Use to have 12 ft coal seams. Now all that's left are hard to reach low quality 1-2ft seams. At some point it's not even worth the energy to extract.
It will! Just not within human life spans that's my answer usually. Alot of their thoughts are grounded in something real. Its easier then telling them they are flat out wrong usually.
It probably won't to my understanding. Most fossil fuels are from large organic material deposits (usually from plants) underwater or in low oxygen environments where they aren't disturbed/don't decompose. Basically the conditions for fossil fuels to be remade don't exist anymore so we really aren't getting any more
There's definitely location on earth where they will get generate again. Plus climate change only really means the extinction of all human life as we know it. Everything else will carry on, it's not the first large level extinction event.
The conditions that created it are likely to arise again. Most oil deposits are actually from innumerable numbers of planktonic life that built up on the ocean floor. Coal is from plant matter though.
Point is its generally easier to redirect then reprogram people, with enough nudges they'll start to see they are being lied to, or at least will know not to bother you with that specific subject anymore
The price of the TVs hadn't caught up to the price of energy and other commodities that are used to manufacture and transport them. We will be seeing that inflation hit over the next 6 months
It is when you offshore all your jobs and import from slave labor countries, all while using a currency that is able to be printed from thin air effectively taxing the world because it's a reserve currency.
Your bike has zero impact on the environment. Good for you
The metals used in the frame and battery magically floated down from heaven. Also the tires and plastic parts weren't used from petroleum ...not at all
There was a recent article detailing how if you put a lot of miles on your ebike you'll need to replace the battery and it's surprisingly expensive.
But I agree with the other downvoters that you can't just say "but bad thing" you have to put them into perspective. And your parent comment didn't claim ebikes are perfect or even good. Just that they literally don't use gas.
Yes, I've heard, but you might still have a choice to fill up at one without ads, whereas with a TV like this you buy it and you're set with ads for the time you have it.
It is an Onn brand tv... so its super cheaply made, sold buy a fascist supporting company, likely contains Spyware, and will break after 3 years of consistent use. Hmm. That or 15 gallons of liquid corpses that i can burn to slowly contribute to the death of all life on earth.... hmm. Choices choices. Think I'll walk/bike.
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stevestevesteve@lemmy.world · 236 pts · 88d
Well the gas would be cheaper if they could somehow make it contain advertising and data theft
CIA_chatbot@lemmy.world · 112 pts · 88d
Oh wait till you find out about how modern cars are mining your data, including facial recognition and reporting of you are having sex in the car! And the best part itās all unregulated! Govt can simply buy the info for tracking even your Phone would be jealous of!
Hackworth@piefed.ca · 27 pts · 88d
Somebody forgot all previous instructions and dropped those straight facts.
Banana@sh.itjust.works · 17 pts · 88d
Never been happier to have a base model car from 2012
SmackemWittadic@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 87d
Never been happier to have a car that can't even be sold in the US because it can't connect to any form of network.
Banana@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 87d
What car?
SmackemWittadic@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 86d
A Peugeot
Banana@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 86d
That sounds like a pokemon
n7gifmdn@lemmy.ca · 12 pts · 88d
As someone who makes that software that does this, we can't even figure out how to properly handle the data we actually want, like analytics to see if anyone actually uses the auto feature on your air conditioner. Nobody actually cares if you have sex in your car. Besides you're on Lemmy we know your aren't having sex.
asbestos@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 87d
Why is it all in the terms of service? Also there have there been numerous data leaks. The sex thing is from a specific manufacturer mās TOS, but nonetheless
mycodesucks@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 87d
Sad accuracy noises
CIA_chatbot@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 87d
Well yea f course Iām not having sex, Iām on my phone at the kitchen table, where do you think I am, my car? (-)(-)
SubArcticTundra@lemmy.ml · 12 pts · 88d
I love it when the government finds out when I have sex. It's so romantic ā just me, her, and the CIA.
CIA_chatbot@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 88d
It depends, if it out of the country itās you, her, and the CIA, if itās inside the US, itās you, her, and the NSA
Rijunox@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 88d
Sounds like a song title "itās you, her, and the CIA"
knexcar@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 87d
Itās a party in the CIA
SolarMonkey@slrpnk.net · 3 pts · 87d
Sounds like something chef would sing.
SubArcticTundra@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 88d
Don't know which one I prefer as a cuck tbh
Unstoppable_Flop@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 88d
Why not both?
TheEighthDoctor@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 87d
At least send me the footage for my onlyFans
aeronmelon@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 88d
Where in America do you have gas pumps that donāt have ad TVs or ask you for your zip code?
dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 88d
Very few of the ones around me have the built in ad players. Several stations blare ads (inevitably largely for themselves, curiously enough) over the PA system constantly, though.
The ZIP code thing is for credit card verification. I ask for that too, when you pay me by credit card. I don't have a choice unless I'd like to enjoy zero fraud and chargeback protection.
toynbee@piefed.social · 2 pts · 87d
The gas station nearest me has screens that show ads, but they're just for that facility and they don't have audio. However, the store does have a PA system constantly playing audio, a combination of music and ads.
My favorite ad is the one that advertises themselves to advertisers. I don't remember the exact wording, but it's basically "want to advertise something? We've essentially got a captive audience and there are a lot of them!"
fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net · 2 pts · 88d
Lots of places now
SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 88d
You don't get ads on your gas pump?
thebestaquaman@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 88d
They don't exist in my country, and to be frank, I'm shocked the ones in the US aren't vandalised to hell and back by masked vigilantes at night.
SparroHawc@piefed.world · 1 pts · 83d
The screen used for blaring ads is the same screen that you have to read to be able to use the pump.
thebestaquaman@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 83d
Show ads on the screen -> screen is vandalised -> nobody can buy gas anymore -> people go to the gas station without ads (and thereby functioning screens) -> lose money to the competition-> recognise that you lose money by blaring ads -> stop blaring ads -> .... -> profit
SparroHawc@piefed.world · 1 pts · 83d
Hm. That's a good point.
Better would be destroying the speakers. I can just look away from the screen showing ads, but it's still annoying if they're blaring in my ear.
dalekcaan@feddit.nl · 4 pts · 88d
The pumps do
Doomsider@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 87d
Ohh that is a great idea. We can put different markers in different brands and then detect those markers in a customer's breath to tell what brand they are using on the fly.
Then when you develop cancer from exposure we can use this information to market other brands. After all, why would you use Shell gas if it gave you cancer when you could use Exxon instead.
Codpiece@feddit.uk · 71 pts · 88d
Why is your fuel so cheap??
GirthBrooksPLO@lemmy.world · 43 pts · 88d
Because the US is the largest exporter of petroleum products in the world.
Hapankaali@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 88d
Norway exports far more than they use, and petrol prices there are among the highest in the world.
GirthBrooksPLO@lemmy.world · 51 pts · 88d
That is a policy decision. In places like Saudi Arabia, gas is cheaper than water.
Norway, correctly, invested more into public transit and EVs, and high gas prices encourage that.
zaphod@sopuli.xyz · 5 pts · 87d
Because it's a fucking desert surrounded by salt water. Desalination is expensive.
GirthBrooksPLO@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 86d
Its a matter of abundance and where the government decides that abundance can go. Desal is expensive, but you have all the energy you need to power it flowing out of the ground, the cost is somewhat defrayed.
The Gulf states chose to hoard the wealth at the top and build major hubs without reliable public transit. Which is reflective of a policy decision. Its also a matter of what refineries are where and what grade of oil they will process.
Kirp123@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 88d
US fuel is heavily subsidized compared to the rest of the world.
BooBees@fedinsfw.app · 3 pts · 88d
And assholes, but I saw a pack of hotdogs for 10 bucks today here in Oklahoma
exasperation@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 15 pts · 88d
There was a Planet Money episode that broke down where the $4/gallon went in 2022:
$2.40 for the price of crude oil when priced at $100/barrel.
$0.65 to the refiner that turns crude oil into gasoline (this was the prevailing spread in 2022, maybe different now).
$0.184 in federal taxes
$0.30 in state taxes
$0.20 to $0.50 for transportation from the refiner to the actual retail station.
Remainder is for the retailer (usually about $0.30 but fluctuates wildly).
That's how it is in the U.S. In other countries, it might be higher taxes, higher cost of refining, higher costs of transportation from the refiner, and higher margins for the retailer.
kn33@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 88d
Low taxes, high production, and government corn subsidies.
brap@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 88d
I was thinking that. Hot fuck is that cheap.
bandwidthcrisis@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 88d
I can't tell if you're from outside the US, or from California.
brap@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 88d
Ha. But am outside, and an online calculator says the price here converts to $9.08 a gallon for diesel. And that's cheaper than it's been recently.
Codpiece@feddit.uk · 3 pts · 88d
I guess there has to be something positive about the country.
SubArcticTundra@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 88d
Political choices and lobbying
tormeh@discuss.tchncs.de · 3 pts · 88d
Probably before VAT.
kn33@lemmy.world · 29 pts · 88d
Nope. Gas pumps are one of the only places in the US where the price as displayed includes taxes.
Codpiece@feddit.uk · 4 pts · 88d
Because otherwise it would just be confusing? So letās have two systems instead.
TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 88d
I mean if the US could get away with a more confusing system it would
tormeh@discuss.tchncs.de · 2 pts · 87d
That's bizarre. Worse than being consistent, somehow.
SubArcticTundra@lemmy.ml · 57 pts · 88d
How have TVs gotten so cheap. It's gotta be shit.
Colonel_Panic_@eviltoast.org · 44 pts · 88d
They stopped making them out of gasoline.
ayyy@sh.itjust.works · 17 pts · 87d
Boy you are gonna be shocked when you learn about where plastic comes from.
pyre@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 87d
i mean they do have less plastic than before.
helpImTrappedOnline@lemmy.world · 36 pts · 88d
I'm guessing it's all advertising deals and spyware. Oh, and the TV is still shit.
4am@lemmy.zip · 19 pts · 88d
Yea, TVs are all āSmartā now. But they donāt have any truly new or useful features, they just record your conversations and transmit occurrences of keywords as āusage and diagnosticā data. I guess now they can use wifi to do occupancy scans of your house too, so thatās fun. Oh and they use Bluetooth to scan for nearby devices that are willing to cooperate in case you donāt put them on the LAN and they transmit that way.
Anyway, TNG has left Netflix. Can you fucking believe it?
Speculater@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 88d
TNG left Netflix like eight years ago... š¦Yarrrr
rob_t_firefly@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 87d
My blu-ray set is still on my shelf.
DrSteveBrule@mander.xyz · 5 pts · 88d
Telly is a TV you can pre-order, which is completely free but apparently pays for itself with all the ads it will display lol
sibannac@lemmy.world · 27 pts · 88d
Nearly all tvs are smart tvs that make money with showing ads and selling data. Any loss on the hardware is made up on selling customer data and ad space. The tvs would be amazing if they didn't come with smart features.
stickly@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 87d
Is there any way to lobotomize these smart TVs? Even the specs on a cheaper mid-range would blow my current dinosaur out of the water
modus@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 87d
Don't connect them to the internet.
stickly@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 87d
True, I'll probably end up going that route when this one dies (assuming they don't all require sign in and heartbeats at that point)
Was hoping for something like a FOSS OS just for the convenience of keeping jellyfin up to date and cleaning up the useless baked in apps.
sureshot0@discuss.online · 2 pts · 87d
This probably exists, or at least I hope it does
modus@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 87d
Use an external media player. Personally, I use a roku routed through a pihole.
Holytimes@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 87d
Iv stared coming across some that's not remotely an option. They require a logged in account before they accept any input.
If you attempt to use a DNS ad blocker they also just stop working. Its fucking toxic.
mycodesucks@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 87d
Right back to the store then.
Fuck around and get a charge back.
modus@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 87d
Wow. Fuck that.
I'm actually curious enough to buy one to see how bad they actually are now.
Gormadt@slrpnk.net · 16 pts · 87d
Never connect them to the internet
You want your favorite streaming service on there? Get an older (used office) PC, load it up with (your prefered flavor of) Linux, get a bluetooth keyboard mouse combo, hook it up to your HDMI port, and go ham.
Some TVs even let you turn them on directly to a specific HDMI port for a bonus fun time of never having to see the TVs menu.
conartistpanda@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 87d
Find out the streaming service limits the quality then stop paying for it and pirate that shit instead.
toddestan@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 87d
Not really, the smarts are integrated into the control circuitry. You can't bypass them and turn them into simple, dumb displays.
Depending on the model, you can block the TV from the internet and leave it on set to one of the inputs and the smarts bits won't bother you again. Other ones are more intrusive and pushy about it.
BigBananaDealer@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 87d
did this happen recently? i got mine in 2019 its enormous and all it does it turn on and lets me play xbox
Holytimes@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 87d
2018 is about when it started but it was a very small number of tvs. By 2020 it was a common thing but it was a dedicated line of tvs from each brand. By 2024 it was all cheaper tvs basically. And now it's basically every TV and even some monitors.
The non smart TVs are almost as hard to find now as finding a smart one was in 2018. And monitors are starting to have smart features and ads even among the highest end offerings. But unlike tvs they arnt any cheaper for it. Its stupid.
ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.org · 2 pts · 87d
The build quality is not great, they saved on backlight heatsinking so the LEDs will bake and delaminate, causing dark spots, discoloration etc.
leaveWitX@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 87d
TV?No, it's just a big display
RedMari@reddthat.com · 10 pts · 88d
They externalize their true cost to the environment and laborers.
_stranger_@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 88d
Don't forget ads! They're also subsidized by the ads they're definitely going to inject if you use the built in OS.
architect@thelemmy.club · 3 pts · 88d
Usually the cheap ones are so cheap they donāt even do that.
rbos@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 88d
In both cases. We don't pay nearly the real cost of gasoline.
RedMari@reddthat.com · 3 pts · 87d
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timochka@lemmy.zip · 8 pts · 87d
TVs were always cheap compared to cost to make the things - it's not just the "oh, they have advertising now" thing.
Source: I worked in electronics retail in the late 80s/early 90s, and in one of the world's largest consumer electronics firms when my career proper started.
The TVs in the window of the local electronics chain store (or in Walmart) were sold at practically zero margin, or more often than not at a loss. The retail chains would basically hold a gun to the CE companies heads and tell them if you're not willing to sell at a loss, nothing you make is going in the window display, or worst case we're not selling you at all.
The retail chains didn't care because all their profit was in selling accessories and unnecessary extended warranties. The CE companies hoped that they could make it up by selling you the more expensive model they actually made a profit on once you were in the door, or by selling you a VCR or whatever as well.
This is why the TV companies were always looking for a "next big thing" (flat-screen, ultraflat, widescreen, HD, 3D, 4k, 8k...) to differentiate the "next model up", which is to say the model the store would actually allow them to make a profit on.
This particular race-to-the-bottom mutually assured destruction business model is also the reason there is practically no consumer electronics manufacturing left in the West, of course. And why manufacturers grasp at stuff like advertising.
exasperation@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 87d
Yes, and the cost of making them keeps dropping. When you were selling TVs in 1991, a 30 inch TV cost about $500 in 1991 dollars. The technology back then just basically made it complex and labor intensive to manufacture, and they were so heavy that it actually took significant number of human labor hours just to get it from factory to store to the specific store's display. Merely putting a 30 inch TV in the window of a store was probably a 2-man lift.
Whereas today it's a bunch of robots in cleanrooms automating production of high volumes of solid state LCD components to where full color displays can be put in cheap appliances, and finished 30 inch TVs being thin and light enough to be moved with one hand while sipping a coffee with the other.
I'm not surprised it's much cheaper today, even a tiny fraction of the time period you're talking about, even when back then they were selling at a loss.
timochka@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 87d
I try to always be nice to retail staff, because I remember well the sheer misery of having to stand sandwiched in a too-small window display cabinet, scraper in one hand and bottle of weak vinegar in the other, scraping the bloody advertising stickers off the glass (that were stuck on with a glue stronger than cement) with a roasting hot halogen floodlamp about 1" from your head, just because a new range has come in... Particularly soul-destroying if it's that time of year when the same 5 royalty-free Christmas songs are on permanent loop in the background.
And yeah, you make a very good point. Sheer size/weight and cost of shipping would have been a huge chunk of the price of those old TVs! Not to mention the cost of healthcare for all the staff who put their back out dragging the damned things to and from The Cage... ;)
SubArcticTundra@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 87d
Shame, I particularly miss Panasonic and Sony
exasperation@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 87d
TVs are made from components that are made through almost entirely automated processes at such large scales that the underlying raw material and cost of shipping become the main driver of cost. Paradoxically, that means that TVs that have gotten thinner and lighter use less material and therefore have a lower floor of how little it can cost.
Once a production line is set up to make the components, each additional one produced costs very little, so making high volume runs is the key: lots of shared parts between brands and models, very long production runs to minimize the cost of redesign or retooling or downtime.
bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 88d
They're single use and throwaway, with the bonus of spyware. Like everything made today. Everything.
But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world · 38 pts · 87d
Gas is cheaper than milk, Thats kinda fucked considering gasoline is finite
ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.org · 8 pts · 87d
The fuck? Milk is 2x to 4x cheaper ($0.50-$1.00) than the most common gasoline, Natural 95 ($2.10) here. I thought you'd get something from those crazy "Got milk?" dairy subsidies...
(Multiply by 4.5 to get US units rather than liters)
pyre@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 87d
2x cheaper is a crazy way of saying half as expensive.
Tetragrade@leminal.space · 2 pts · 87d
Yet more prof of the insanity of our capitalist system. Fuck this gay earth.
ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.org · 1 pts · 87d
It's fewer syllables, what's the problem? And yes, milk is cheaper here than the same quality in the US (despite our 12% VAT) so I don't see why "cheaper" next to it would feel wrong...
And don't forget that we don't get the crap "regular" gasoline with as low as 87 octane rating, the lowest widely available one is 95.Similarly, 75 % of milk drunk here is UHT-treated, as opposed to 10 % in the US.Stez827@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 87d
You don't have much better gasoline there it's just that you use a different unit for measuring the octane. They aren't actually much different
boonhet@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 86d
Well it's partially true.
87 AKI is widely available in the US as the minimum octane rating. That translates to 91 RON. I've never seen anything under 95 here in Estonia, or at least not this century. 95 and 98 are the only commonly found numbers. 98 is available in the US too, as 93 AKI, but not everywhere as I understand.
ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.org · 1 pts · 87d
TIL, thanks
pyre@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 87d
because expensiveness is a scale that starts from 0 so you always know how expensive everything is. cheapness works the other way, so there's no starting point. that means there's no way to quantify how cheap the first thing is, in order to double that. in your example gasoline would have to be the least cheap thing possible, which means nothing can be more expensive.
it's like saying someone's twice as short as someone else. half as tall makes sense, twice as short is a weird way to say it because how short is the first person?
ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.org · 1 pts · 87d
"Cheaper" means "less expensive". 2x cheaper means 2x less expensive, or less expensive by a factor of 2, or 0.5x as expensive. I can say 2x shorter, 2x slower etc. and I don't see a problem. The adjectives "cheap" and "expensive" don't relate to a number quantity called "expensiveness" or "cheapness" but "price" or "cost", which is what the factor applies to, and the word specifies if it's an increase or decrease. Everyone I know would understand that it's the reciprocal of the original price, although I get that in a country whose president can say he slashed proces by 500 % without instantly having to resign, fractions and percentages might have to be specified but that's longer to say for the same number of significant figures.
Yes, I can find people debating "two times cheaper" (English) but not "zweimal billiger" (German) or "dvakrĆ”t levnÄjÅ”Ć" (Czech), in fact the phrase is often used in promotional material. The only results suggesting it's wrong are English Reddit discussions' automatic translations to German or Czech, and Google's AI summary that cotes them.
I won't stop using it just because people with inferior education sometimes don't get it. Similarly, I provided the metric value and conversion rate, it's Americans who need to practice mental math.
CriticalThought@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 87d
I doubt anyone doesnāt get it, it just sounds twice as unnatural to a native English speaker.
ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.org · 2 pts · 87d
Whatever, I'm not convincing anyone with my use of metric and username. I'm avoiding some other weird phrases though, for example you won't usually see me type "14 days" in English although Czech speakers prefer it to "2 weeks" (idk why, it's the same number of syllables).
texture@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 87d
you think cows are infinite?
But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 87d
Yes itās called breeding. You canāt breed more gasoline
TomArrr@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 87d
Jurassic Park says otherwise š
Prathas@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 87d
Actually, Bloomberg Finance recently warned about how the cattle replacement level is precariously low in the US. It takes a minimum of a one-year forecast to gauge how many dairy cows will be born to reach milk production status, and apparently farmers are having a difficult time with all the debt and limited resources hampering them. Because of the US's red meat addiction, we are currently at best only at minimum replacement, which is really concerning until the nation reduces some of its cattle consumption; otherwise, beef prices will continue to rise...
But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 86d
Well weāre talking about maintaining cows for food at a sustainable level, the US is stupid in all aspects and should not be considered. The rest of the world isnt greedy and fat like Americans.
As far as Iām concerned the US is an isolated dictatorship like NK so their numbers are al over the place depending on who is dear leader
texture@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 87d
this is one example the sort of nuance was hinting at. cheers
texture@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 87d
it takes limited resources to breed the living beings youre talking about
But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 86d
Food and grass are also growable
texture@lemmy.world · -3 pts · 86d
so youre just going to act like you dont understand at all huh
But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 82d
So wait tire saying they arenāt? Or are you still insisting petroleum is renewable? Milk is renewable, gas is finite, so gas should not be cheaper than milk. Thats a pretty easy point
bitteroldcoot@piefed.social · 33 pts · 88d
And I think you shouldn't be driving a giant gas guzzling SUV or truck.
TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 88d
I filled up a family members Rav4 the other day. It was $96.
Not exactly the best car, but hardly a gas guzzler. Or maybe it is, idk. I normally drive electric.
bitteroldcoot@piefed.social · 9 pts · 88d
My CRV takes 10 gallon when it's on empty. and gets 32 mpg. Just saying.
adarza@lemmy.ca · 11 pts · 88d
we've been going backwards on fuel efficiency. the little compact i had back in the early 90s got over 40mpg.
mech@feddit.org · 6 pts · 88d
Greenpeace modified a compact car with off-the-shelf parts in 1996 so it could get 68mpg.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SmILE
Spur4383@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 87d
Because we discovered that running the engine lean and hot for maximum efficiency creates NOx and we donāt like acid rain.
TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 88d
I think the gas was in the 6.50 range? Idk.
bitteroldcoot@piefed.social · 8 pts · 88d
The display say 17.624 gallons. That is a full size SUV or truck.
TheFlopster@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 88d
Not necessarily. My 4-door sedan holds 18 gallons. It's 12 years old now. Maybe they're making them smaller now.
TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 88d
Just saying its less than what I paid for what I would consider to be a "standard"-ish vehicle?
I don't think a rav4 stands out as an interesting vehicle.
RisingSwell@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 87d
That's like 68 litres. My current sports car and my last 3 sedans have all had bigger tanks than that.
0ops@piefed.zip · 8 pts · 88d
Even my motorcycle is $25 to fill
TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 88d
Yeah I mean at these prices even a lawn mower might cost $10 to fill
Justifier@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 88d
I follow a lot of lawn care YouTubers
More than a few commenting about raising prices and canceling contracts of customers not willing to pay enough to cover it
Its not an insignificant difference either, like +$40 on a weekly cut for a quarter acre lot. That's between a 35-50% price increase depending on the market of the people I'm watching
The trucks to get there being the big portion of that increase not the mowers, but certainly the mower/trimmer/blower opex increased as well
Regardless though anyone not running primary electric rigs are definitely hurting right now
Those who invested into it early, and especially those who got State and Govt incentives, before the current administration shut them down have a massive opportunity to cash in over at least the next ~2 years while this settles, keeping their prices just below whatever their competitors have to charge until their routes are fully booked while those running gas are forced to raise prices and renegociate contracts to maintain profits
TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 88d
bruh is deep in the lore..
Justifier@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 87d
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cheers_queers@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 87d
i took a chance last year and bought a honda ruckus for daily driving. it pays for itself in the gas im saving, i spend abt 10 bucks a month for gas. i hope to upgrade to a real bike at some point but for now i will enjoy the 100mpg perk.
can i ask what you ride, and the mpg?
0ops@piefed.zip · 2 pts · 87d
Honda ruckus hell yeah I love those things! Sv650 and I get 60mpg (edit wrong acronym)
cheers_queers@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 87d
oh i like that, reminds me of the honda hornet! i was wishing i had the budget for one of those lol
Saapas@piefed.zip · 6 pts · 88d
Could be a labourer. I didn't see much point in trucks and such before but now it makes sense for some to have them.
athatet@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 88d
80 bucks to fill up my minivan.
boonhet@sopuli.xyz · -1 pts · 88d
17 gallons is 64 liters, thatās a midsize sedan tank.
Sirius006@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 88d
Yeah you should not drive a tank either. Even if it is midsize.
cheers_queers@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 87d
some people have a buttload of kids to haul around. generalizing this topic isnt helpful
Sirius006@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 87d
I was refering at a tank as in "Main battle tank".
That being said, I have 2 kids and my car is (I just checked) 3.81 meters long. I'm not even sure cars of that size are still being sold in north America. What I'm sure of is that finding a convenient one of this size is becoming complicated in Europe, so my next one will probably be a tad bigger.
Still, I don't understand what so called trucks or SUV are for.
HrabiaVulpes@europe.pub · 27 pts · 87d
TV is cheap because you are the product. CEOs want you to see their ads, their propaganda.
Gas is expensive because they have not yet found a way to stop car-owner from leaving the sofa in front of TV
CannedYeet@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 87d
But they do have ads at the pumps
blarghly@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 87d
Tvs are cheap because manufacturing costs came down. They were cheap before they were smart
DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 87d
Both are true. Manufacturing costs went down significantly, but non-smart TVs are now more expensive than equivalent smart TVs by over $100 from what I have seen.
green_goglin@thelemmy.club · 2 pts · 87d
TVs harvest user data which is monetized as well
kalpol@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 87d
Can you even get non smart TVs?
ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 87d
Car companies could learn a lot from the printer industry.
HrabiaVulpes@europe.pub · 1 pts · 87d
If production of cars and oil were the same companies, cars would be as cheap as TVs and gas for them would be 10x current price.
ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml · 24 pts · 88d
Yeah gas should be a lot more expensive.
Gammelfisch@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 87d
Visit Japan or the EU and their fuels prices make the USA cheap. It is odd in the USA, most people are concerned about fuel prices, but healthcare costs are far worse.
ironycanal@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 87d
Healthcare is only for the weak. I am one if the elect; god loves me, so I won't ever need to think about that.
Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net · 3 pts · 87d
Tell me about it. Why is cost of gas what we focus on
blarghly@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 87d
Because you pay for gas every couple days with your credit card, while you pay for healthcare rarely
Sprocketfree@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 87d
Idk if I'm winning or losing as someone that pays for healthcare way more often then gas...
lime@feddit.nu · 1 pts · 87d
...DAYS?!
i drive to work every day and i refuel like every other month.
blarghly@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 87d
#autoorientedinfrastructure
kunaltyagi@programming.dev · 5 pts · 87d
A large portion of US adults don't understand the difference between simple and compound interest.
Many are living with less than 1 month salary as savings.
This results in a largr portion with neither the mental space nor capability (or both) to worry about 6 months down the line when they have to worry for 6 days down the line
dan@upvote.au · 16 pts · 88d
Gas would be more expensive if it wasn't subsidized.
whoisearth@lemmy.ca · 13 pts · 87d
The tv should have always cost more. That's part of the problem. America drunk on cheap consumer goods.
quips@slrpnk.net · 4 pts · 86d
I disagree. America has heavy subsidies on gas prices.
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 87d
I canāt believe how cheap TVs are. I think I bought a 22ā CRT 25 years ago and it was easily over $200.
E: a CPI check says a $220 monitor in 2000 is $435 today.
filcuk@lemmy.zip · 9 pts · 87d
They're cheap because they use extensive tracking to make up the rest of their money
Compare any tv to a monitor of the same size and feature set
JcbAzPx@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 87d
Yeah, they're selling you an ad platform. It won't be long before they start leaving off the HDMI ports.
Hupf@feddit.org · 1 pts · 87d
https://feddit.org/comment/10448247
thedeadwalking4242@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 87d
Gas is a cheat code to decades of stored solar energy. It won't be cheap for ever. Once you mine up all that shit it's gone.
Look at WV and their coal. Use to have 12 ft coal seams. Now all that's left are hard to reach low quality 1-2ft seams. At some point it's not even worth the energy to extract.
Karmanopoly@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 87d
There are people who believe the earth regenerates and creates more petroleum... In essence it will never run out
There's probably a step g correlation to flat earthers
thedeadwalking4242@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 87d
It will! Just not within human life spans that's my answer usually. Alot of their thoughts are grounded in something real. Its easier then telling them they are flat out wrong usually.
Unless it's the flat earthers
erev@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 87d
It probably won't to my understanding. Most fossil fuels are from large organic material deposits (usually from plants) underwater or in low oxygen environments where they aren't disturbed/don't decompose. Basically the conditions for fossil fuels to be remade don't exist anymore so we really aren't getting any more
thedeadwalking4242@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 86d
There's definitely location on earth where they will get generate again. Plus climate change only really means the extinction of all human life as we know it. Everything else will carry on, it's not the first large level extinction event.
The conditions that created it are likely to arise again. Most oil deposits are actually from innumerable numbers of planktonic life that built up on the ocean floor. Coal is from plant matter though.
Point is its generally easier to redirect then reprogram people, with enough nudges they'll start to see they are being lied to, or at least will know not to bother you with that specific subject anymore
HenriVolney@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 88d
Companies that sell TV sets actually lose money on the sale. They make their profits by selling your data to advertising companies.
protist@retrofed.com · 7 pts · 88d
The price of the TVs hadn't caught up to the price of energy and other commodities that are used to manufacture and transport them. We will be seeing that inflation hit over the next 6 months
Furbag@pawb.social · 7 pts · 86d
Lol you can see where the "I did that" sticker used to be...
Wonder if it was an old Biden version or a new Trump version.
XLE@piefed.social · 7 pts · 88d
Vizio TVs won't fully function until you sign in with a Walmart account. They sell your data and shove ads in your face.
kbobabob@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 6 pts · 88d
So do gas stations.
You got a "points card"? Guess what? A lot of pumps play ads directly at the pump too.
Speculater@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 88d
Usually one of the eight buttons is mute button.
M137@lemmy.today · 7 pts · 87d
High fuel prices is a good thing and a 32" TV shouldn't be that cheap.
krisevol@lemmus.org · 2 pts · 87d
It is when you offshore all your jobs and import from slave labor countries, all while using a currency that is able to be printed from thin air effectively taxing the world because it's a reserve currency.
bassad@jlai.lu · 5 pts · 86d
Why not?
Oil is a product manufactured by millions of years of stratified organic stuffs and high pressures, it is a concentrate of energy.
TV is not as useful.
jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 86d
Are you paying for the cheap tv by bringing hostile spywear into your home?
It's possible not, I suppose.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 88d
That TV was manufactured unethically.
Meanwhile, the gasoline produced to support the native peoples of Qatar, Kuwait, and Saudi Arabia.
stupidcasey@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 87d
I neither, can I pay double for the Tv without the poorly named smartness in it?
Katana314@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 87d
I ride an ebike. Can someone explain the picture on the left? Is it some sort of tax booth for car ownership?
Karmanopoly@lemmy.world · -21 pts · 87d
Your bike has zero impact on the environment. Good for you
The metals used in the frame and battery magically floated down from heaven. Also the tires and plastic parts weren't used from petroleum ...not at all
Allero@lemmy.today · 6 pts · 87d
Not zero, but dwarfed by a car. An E-bike is hands down way more eco-friendly option
basxto@discuss.tchncs.de · 4 pts · 87d
The production impact should be still smaller than the production of a motorbike
CannedYeet@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 87d
There was a recent article detailing how if you put a lot of miles on your ebike you'll need to replace the battery and it's surprisingly expensive.
But I agree with the other downvoters that you can't just say "but bad thing" you have to put them into perspective. And your parent comment didn't claim ebikes are perfect or even good. Just that they literally don't use gas.
gandalf_der_12te@feddit.org · 4 pts · 88d
ehh, why not? electronics got really cheap.
Theoriginalthon@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 88d
Nah its a ad delivery and surveillance device that you pay for, like the superbox but less nefarious https://darknetdiaries.com/episode/172/
zewm@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 88d
32ā is tiny and even at $3 a gallon, that fill would be over $50.
Iām not really seeing the argument here tbh. Itās apples and oranges.
kamen@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 86d
One of those doesn't come loaded with ads.
NottaLottaOcelot@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 86d
Gas station ads are a thing
kamen@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 86d
Yes, I've heard, but you might still have a choice to fill up at one without ads, whereas with a TV like this you buy it and you're set with ads for the time you have it.
Johnmannesca@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 86d
Unless your gas pump has ads, or it's a non-smart tv
kamen@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 86d
I meant post purchase, i.e. fuel once it gets in your tank and the TV once you get it home, but yeah, you're right too.
defrostedLasagna4921@piefed.zip · 1 pts · 88d
I agree when it comes to an onn TV. It should be the same price as a name brand TV.
BeMoreCareful@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 86d
Now think about solar power.
But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 86d
You guys subsidize milk, you should be paying more. And our milk is better quality and organic, Thats why we refuse to buy the crap from the US
BeMoreCareful@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 86d
I doubt twenty years of ag gag laws have been kind to the industry that was partly responsible for the formation of the FDA.
I'm really unenthused by meat and dairy in the States.
Zron@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 86d
Doā¦ do you put milk in your car?
Are you okay, buddy?
But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 82d
Yeah I drive a 2010 Frosted Flakes
10thGlyphix@lemmy.zip · 0 pts · 86d
It is an Onn brand tv... so its super cheaply made, sold buy a fascist supporting company, likely contains Spyware, and will break after 3 years of consistent use. Hmm. That or 15 gallons of liquid corpses that i can burn to slowly contribute to the death of all life on earth.... hmm. Choices choices. Think I'll walk/bike.
Rooster326@programming.dev · -1 pts · 86d
What kind of car needs 17 Gallons of capacity?
boonhet@sopuli.xyz · 3 pts · 86d
Generic mid-size sedan from Europe or the US. 64 liters. VW Passat or Mercedes C-class territory. E-class used to get 80 liters as an option.
It's so you don't have to get fuel more than once or twice a month at most.