I smoked pot and now I have a new isekai life with superpowers and a band of roaming catgirl assassins who enforce my will upon an otherwise cruel, dark, and corrupt world in an alternate dimension.
I believe originally, it was used to incarcerate Latin Americans, hence the naming of "Marihuana" and later, "Marijuana" to make it sound more Spanish.
It wasn't just race, it was Black People and anyone else that associated with them. If someone went against authority and smoked weed, they were a danger to authority.
Just gonna drop this quote form a Nixon aide here:
"You understand what I’m saying? We knew we couldn’t make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin. And then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities,” Ehrlichman said. “We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did"
The war on drugs was a war on blacks and anti-Vietnam activists.
Realistically, there was a girl at our town fair in my middle school who offered to do that. I think she just wanted a way to get with a guy though? And secondarily weed. Not sure.
If you're gonna do a quote, the use quotation marks. It doesn't matter if it's old or recent, just saves everyone time and effort by not misunderstanding you.
So if cannabis is a "drug" because it's illegal and alcohol is "alcohol" because it's legal, why is ibuprofen a "drug" and not "alcohol"? Or maybe, did you misunderstand something, and the condescending tone is not only embarrassing, but completely unwarranted?
This is so dumb, and both of you are very obviously 'Murica brained where you just can't think of any difference there is oitside the US.
Both Alcohol and Nicotine are drugs, and so are medications, they're just legal drugs. It's not "not a drug" and "drug (meaning illegal", it's "legal drug" and "illegal drug".
Another thing to note is that fentanyl, cocaine and methamphetamine are all legal for medical purposes, but are considered "drugs" in the illicit sense.
I don't think those are "gateways" though. I think the real gateway is when you try something that you're taught is vilified and told it will make you stupid and ruin your life, but then all it really does is chill you out. The gateway is realizing you've been lied to and you wonder what else was a lie so you try other things. Alcohol if anything has the opposite problem.
100%. There's also the fact that when weed is illegal, the only way to get it is through someone who likely sells other illegal substances so it's not hard to start messing around with other things after smoking for a bit.
Unable to cite sources on this, I swear I'm not pulling it out of my ass and I did hear it on broadcast news like in the early 00's...but adderal is (or at least, was) the most abused prescription drug by "soccer moms", so, I wouldn't be surprised.
imagine a scenario, coffee is illegal. you can't buy it in a normal shop, but the same guy that sells every other illegal substance has it. and you have to go to that guy to buy some coffee
even though coffee is not similar in its effect to any harder drug by going out to buy it you're gaining the skill of obtaining illegal substances, and also put yourself in a place where you can get a variety of them
as you're buying your coffee your drug dealer tells you "try this, it'll make you feel really good" and you know what? society's already lied to you about coffee being bad, maybe they're lying about the ecstasy thing too, you already trust this guy, he's been selling you good coffee, so might as well try something new and exciting too eh?
and to be even more blunt, what i'm trying to say is that it's not the substance itself that makes a drug be a "gateway" it's the way you obtain it
if weed was perfectly legal and sold freely then it would not longer be a gateway drug, because as you try it you don't gain the experience and skill of obtaining illegal substances, nor do you get placed in a position where you can grab something extra with your purchase
Damn dude that’s a lot of text but I can’t take anyone seriously who thinks coffee can in any way shape or form lead to drug use lmao idc how well thought out your thesis is, it’s an insane hypothesis.
Caffeine has plenty of health benefits also. Forcing the working class to rely on it to survive is bad, but whatever you’re saying is ridiculous.
Coffee isn’t really a mind-altering drug in the same way, and people take it for it’s effects recreationally. Getting drunk, though? It’s not for me, but people do that for fun, and then look to other ways to have fun in the same kinda way. All the sudden…
There is a whole merchandise category about people not being able to function without coffee but I've never seen a mug that says "don't talk to me unless I've bumped a rail"
It 100% is a mind-altering drug, a body-altering one too. You can get super fucked up from caffeine, and overdose to a point of death (which you can't with cannabis).
Caffeine has little effect on me and many others but it has major effect on a big part of humanity (and other living beings). Some can't drink coffee or energy drinks because it fuckes them up so much, and others get so addicted that they ruin their health from it.
Pathologically reinforced caffeine use induces dependence, but not an addiction.[13] For a drug to induce an addiction from repeated use at sufficiently high doses, it must activate the brain's reward circuitry, particularly the mesolimbic pathway.[13]
"Gateway" is subjective, but sugar is certainly the first substance people encounter that influences cognitive behavior. Consume this thing and feel this way.
Of course that doesn't mean you're going to go and shoot up some heroin, but both are certainly "addictive".
Sugar is a bit of a stretch, since we also do need it. We just get it in a lot of food, since a lot of the foods we eat also need sugar to grow and do things.
We do need a small amount of glucose, that’s why I was specific that we don’t need to consume it. We can make the amount we actually need from the protein we eat.
Whether that’s ideal or not is a separate conversation, but we can live our whole lives without consuming sugar or carbs.
Can you survive without any carbs in your diet? An army of zero-carb-diet social media influencers seem to think so.
EDIT: To clarify, my whole point in this thread has been that you can get addicted to salt and fat, both of which are things you need. I don't know why the fuck anyone would want to ramble about whether you can "fully quit carbs". Maybe the best question here is "Why would you and why are you even talking about it?". Again: you can get addicted to things you need. Consuming it in excess is what makes it an addiction. There's no rule that says you can only get addicted to things you want but not need
Dude... they're literally banning fast-food ads in the UK. This is no time to get pedantic haha
You can absolutely get addicted to salt and fat
And we do need sugar... Carbs are sugar. You need carbs
Don't take this personally but it kinda sucks you got upvoted this much
EDIT: Lots of morbidly obese Americans here. Sorry I offended your gods, salt and fat. Oh and get off the internet every once in a while. There's too many of you here and 90% of your opinions are moronic.
The gateway is having to deal with shitty people that used to be in those crowds.
Its becoming less of an issue as more people use it responsibly like social drinkers and you dont have to deal with a complete waste of space to society to get it or be around others who partake.
Reefer madness is bullshit, but its also not 100% harmless either. Chronic use of THC still almost certainly causes GABA disregulation for instance.
You have a stupid majority who act like weed is just as bad as heroine and meth and THE gateway drug, but the potheads who are just horrible people spouting about how its completely harmless aren't helping the cause either.
The war on drugs has always been bullshit. I wonder how many bosses have said "drug free workplace" or principals saying "drug free campus" while holding a cup of coffee.
I'm not for prohibition whatsoever, but have you seen the difference between someone who chose coffee as their drug of choice and spend decades drinking it versus smoking meth?
Depends if they're using an intoxicating amount as well. Plenty of folks around on a dose of amphetamines that would have you and me stimming our brains out. For work that doesn't involve dangerous machines or the safety of others, I say, As long as I can't tell you're high on something and it's not effecting your work, whatever makes your day more enjoyable have at.
Same. I'm not actually a fan of weed. No ill effects, just not more enjoyable to not consuming it for me, and less enjoyable than the right amount of alcohol (but much more enjoyable than too much alcohol, so balance is key).
Literally classified as a unscheduled drug but people give it a pass cuz ur more "productive". More people have died from caffeine overdose then weed overdose.
It's true, mostly because the LD 50 for THC is like a kg/kg (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK563174/). It's so astronomical that you would die from many other issues before thc became a concern. Caffeine actually has a pretty low LD 50 even among many illicit drugs, it's just more widespread so people aren't incentivized to take hyper-concentrated doses of it.
As someone that's smoked weed for 20 years, I think it's too potent now and consider the plant to be something that got abused by humans the same way humans abuse everything they touch.
Don't be a stoner.
Use it as medicine.
Stoners are junkies.
After 20 years I'm finally realizing this and using it more as only medicine.
I remember a quote I read a looong time ago... "If your eyes get red you are abusing it." From that point on when your eyes are deeply red, it's not medicine, it's an escape.
Also... The side effects of capitalism are a gateway drug because capitalism gives people the want to escape.
Whoa dude. Republicans do all the drugs known to man, they just judge everyone else especially minorities for it, in a delicious and idiotic hypocrisy.
Ronald Reagan and Nancy Reagan both regularly smoked marijuana.
I'm not denying that shit loads of Republicans do cocaine (and meth) but I guess what I'm saying is that they also do all those other drugs that they hate on left wing people and minorities for doing.
So many boomer Republicans are so doped up on legal opioids because they're rich connected and have good doctors, it's not even funny. All while freaking out about anything that becomes available on the street, accessible to people without insurance.
Part of me feels like they wanted heroin and oxycodone replaced with the far more lethal fentanyl for the purpose of punishing the "wicked junkies" but that's somewhat of a conspiracy theory.
Part of me feels like they wanted heroin and oxycodone replaced with the far more lethal fentanyl for the purpose of punishing the "wicked junkies" but that's somewhat of a conspiracy theory.
I mean, there's a reason crack cocaine was so prolific and associated with negative outcomes in black communities... It's reasonable that a similar strategy might be used again in that same manner.
Its been my experience that 125cc motorcycles, Cessna 172's, DJI Mini-2 drones, and Ender-3's are also gateway drugs. Less illegal but just as damaging financially.
Since weed is still illegal in many/most places, getting your hands on some could also introduce you to criminal elements that can provide a shorter route to harder drugs.
I write that as I recall joining a buddy as he went to some guys apartment to buy weed, and in the living room we were met with the dealer casually shooting heroin, asking if we'd like some. I can't recall ever having a stronger "holly shit I need to get out of here"-feeling.
I suddenly felt way too close to a road I did not want to go down.
Idk where you live but in the US, no, not at all. There’s a reason we have the ATF, alcohol, tobacco and firearms agency while weed is treated like it’s as dangerous as heroin. Drinking and smoking is completely normalized, grandma drinking and smoking is completely normal but grandma will act like you’re going straight to hell if she finds out you smoked a joint and thinks you need to go to rehab
Yeah, my middle school health class in Jersey talked about cigarettes, alcohol, weed, and in the same breath mushrooms, acid, cocaine, and heroin. It's where I learned about which drugs I wanted to try.
It made sense though. People would get weed from their dealer that's laced with something else, now they're addicted to meth or something. Now that marijuana's legalized and I don't need a dealer, that risk is gone.
I live in a small ass rural Canadian town and drug dealers lacing weed was never a thing. Is this shit actually common cause I always felt it was fear mongering. I'd be way more worried about cocaine and other shit like that.
No dealer is giving away free drugs by secretly lacing your weed with something way more expensive. Dealers lace harder drugs to make more money, not slipping you some meth for… reasons?
People try to explain away the fact that they just got too high by saying the weed was laced with Raid (yep, heard that enough) or some other shit. I think people try to ignore that weed can absolutely send you to bad night by saying, oh, it must've been tampered with.
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Xerxos@lemmy.ml · 105 pts · 48d
The classification of cannabis changed to incarnate more black people. It's a historical fact and it's sad that many people don't know that.
toast@retrolemmy.com · 122 pts · 48d
Either you mean incarcerate, or else it is one hell of a gateway
Xerxos@lemmy.ml · 34 pts · 48d
Yeah, sorry. I'm tired and English isn't my mother tongue.
toast@retrolemmy.com · 41 pts · 48d
I didn't mean anything by it, and assumed it was autocorrect. I was just amused by the visual of it in my head.
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz · 20 pts · 48d
I smoked pot and now I have a new isekai life with superpowers and a band of roaming catgirl assassins who enforce my will upon an otherwise cruel, dark, and corrupt world in an alternate dimension.
This could happen to you.
Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 48d
......yes please!
ChicoSuave@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 48d
Gateway drugs should open more things
defaultusername@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 22 pts · 48d
I believe originally, it was used to incarcerate Latin Americans, hence the naming of "Marihuana" and later, "Marijuana" to make it sound more Spanish.
givesomefucks@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 48d
It wasn't just race, it was Black People and anyone else that associated with them. If someone went against authority and smoked weed, they were a danger to authority.
It was a litmus test
But pretty fucking close for .ml account
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz · 7 pts · 48d
Hippies too
Rooskie91@discuss.online · 6 pts · 47d
Just gonna drop this quote form a Nixon aide here:
"You understand what I’m saying? We knew we couldn’t make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin. And then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities,” Ehrlichman said. “We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did"
The war on drugs was a war on blacks and anti-Vietnam activists.
zeppo@lemmy.world · 63 pts · 48d
It goes along with how they categorize cannabis as "drug" while alcohol for some reason gets it's own special category.
GraniteM@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 47d
DARE programs referring to "drugs, alcohol, and tobacco," and middle school me thinking "I'm pretty sure those are all drugs..."
Apocalypteroid@lemmy.world · -8 pts · 48d
Alcohol isn't a drug, it's a drink.
Edit: I guess the niche 90s British comedy references don't fly too well on the fediverse.
https://youtu.be/the3xQiuK7E
Kolanaki@pawb.social · 32 pts · 48d
"Marijuana is not a drug. It's a plant; it just grows that way! Drugs you gotta do shit chemically to it."
darvocet@infosec.pub · 17 pts · 48d
Marijuana is not a drug. I sucked dick for coke. You ever suck dick for some marijuana? Didn't think so.
zeppo@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 47d
Realistically, there was a girl at our town fair in my middle school who offered to do that. I think she just wanted a way to get with a guy though? And secondarily weed. Not sure.
BluJay320@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 14 pts · 48d
“Lean isn’t a drug, it’s a drink”
LemmyFeed@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 6 pts · 48d
Drug: a substance other than food intended to affect the structure or function of the body
LodeMike@lemmy.today · 4 pts · 48d
Alcohol is a psychoactive drug
M137@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 47d
If you're gonna do a quote, the use quotation marks. It doesn't matter if it's old or recent, just saves everyone time and effort by not misunderstanding you.
Apocalypteroid@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 47d
Yeh, I shouldn't really be surprised!
givesomefucks@lemmy.world · -21 pts · 48d
Because one is legal and one isn't...
If alcohol or tobacco was illegal, they'd be treated like illegal drugs
Laws aren't always correct.
Do you understand it now?
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz · 17 pts · 48d
That's circular reasoning. "It's considered a drug because it's illegal, and it's illegal because it's considered a drug."
It hard to start somewhere. Look back in history and see where it started.
papalonian@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 48d
So if cannabis is a "drug" because it's illegal and alcohol is "alcohol" because it's legal, why is ibuprofen a "drug" and not "alcohol"? Or maybe, did you misunderstand something, and the condescending tone is not only embarrassing, but completely unwarranted?
zeppo@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 48d
No, not really.
Undearius@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 48d
Both alcohol and cannabis are legal.
But they are still treated very differently legally despite both being drugs.
M137@lemmy.today · -1 pts · 47d
This is so dumb, and both of you are very obviously 'Murica brained where you just can't think of any difference there is oitside the US. Both Alcohol and Nicotine are drugs, and so are medications, they're just legal drugs. It's not "not a drug" and "drug (meaning illegal", it's "legal drug" and "illegal drug".
zeppo@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 47d
Another thing to note is that fentanyl, cocaine and methamphetamine are all legal for medical purposes, but are considered "drugs" in the illicit sense.
FlexibleToast@lemmy.world · 61 pts · 48d
I don't think those are "gateways" though. I think the real gateway is when you try something that you're taught is vilified and told it will make you stupid and ruin your life, but then all it really does is chill you out. The gateway is realizing you've been lied to and you wonder what else was a lie so you try other things. Alcohol if anything has the opposite problem.
NotSteve_@lemmy.ca · 34 pts · 48d
100%. There's also the fact that when weed is illegal, the only way to get it is through someone who likely sells other illegal substances so it's not hard to start messing around with other things after smoking for a bit.
Weed is only a gateway drug when its illegal
pishadoot@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 48d
Crazy I had to scroll down this far for the reason it's actually called a gateway drug.
glimse@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 47d
Well, the ACTUAL reason it's called a gateway drug is fear mongering.
Zamboni_Driver@lemmy.ca · 46 pts · 48d
Calling alcohol and nicotine the first substances that most people abuse when caffeine exists is the biggest win in propaganda history.
jordanpwnsyou@lemmy.zip · 41 pts · 48d
No one has ever said “man I love coffee, I should try ecstasy next!” Lol
Blum0108@lemmy.world · 40 pts · 48d
You don't know my life
chuckleslord@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 48d
grue@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 48d
I'm sure more than a few people have said "coffee ain't doin' it for me anymore; I should try cocaine or meth," though.
JasonDJ@lemmy.zip · 9 pts · 48d
Unable to cite sources on this, I swear I'm not pulling it out of my ass and I did hear it on broadcast news like in the early 00's...but adderal is (or at least, was) the most abused prescription drug by "soccer moms", so, I wouldn't be surprised.
shneancy@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 48d
nobody has said it because the same person never sold both
if you had to go to the ecstasy guy to buy your coffee too, then you'd be much more likely to try ecstasy as well
jordanpwnsyou@lemmy.zip · -1 pts · 47d
What? I’m confused at what point you’re trying to make lol
shneancy@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 47d
imagine a scenario, coffee is illegal. you can't buy it in a normal shop, but the same guy that sells every other illegal substance has it. and you have to go to that guy to buy some coffee
even though coffee is not similar in its effect to any harder drug by going out to buy it you're gaining the skill of obtaining illegal substances, and also put yourself in a place where you can get a variety of them
as you're buying your coffee your drug dealer tells you "try this, it'll make you feel really good" and you know what? society's already lied to you about coffee being bad, maybe they're lying about the ecstasy thing too, you already trust this guy, he's been selling you good coffee, so might as well try something new and exciting too eh?
and to be even more blunt, what i'm trying to say is that it's not the substance itself that makes a drug be a "gateway" it's the way you obtain it
if weed was perfectly legal and sold freely then it would not longer be a gateway drug, because as you try it you don't gain the experience and skill of obtaining illegal substances, nor do you get placed in a position where you can grab something extra with your purchase
jordanpwnsyou@lemmy.zip · -2 pts · 47d
Damn dude that’s a lot of text but I can’t take anyone seriously who thinks coffee can in any way shape or form lead to drug use lmao idc how well thought out your thesis is, it’s an insane hypothesis.
Caffeine has plenty of health benefits also. Forcing the working class to rely on it to survive is bad, but whatever you’re saying is ridiculous.
shneancy@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 47d
i suggest you actually read what i wrote, instead of making yourself look like a fool
akwd169@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 42d
No but people have said if you take ten wake me ups (caffeine pills) it feels like cocaine
So this is what coke is like
These caffeine pills dont do that for me anymore
Maybe I should try coke
Source: my social circle in high school
Calfpupa@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 48d
You know anyone that's never had coffee before they've tried x?
jordanpwnsyou@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 48d
Know anyone that’s never had pizza before they tried heroin?
Calfpupa@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 47d
Pretty sure milk is the ultimate gateway drug.
fleebleneeble@reddthat.com · 1 pts · 47d
Casein
Soup@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 48d
Coffee isn’t really a mind-altering drug in the same way, and people take it for it’s effects recreationally. Getting drunk, though? It’s not for me, but people do that for fun, and then look to other ways to have fun in the same kinda way. All the sudden…
Undearius@lemmy.ca · 15 pts · 48d
There is a whole merchandise category about people not being able to function without coffee but I've never seen a mug that says "don't talk to me unless I've bumped a rail"
JacobCoffinWrites@slrpnk.net · 4 pts · 47d
Picturing that on some stockbroker's desk
Soup@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 47d
That’s mostly just people not having a personality outside of the priducts that they conume.
M137@lemmy.today · -1 pts · 47d
It 100% is a mind-altering drug, a body-altering one too. You can get super fucked up from caffeine, and overdose to a point of death (which you can't with cannabis). Caffeine has little effect on me and many others but it has major effect on a big part of humanity (and other living beings). Some can't drink coffee or energy drinks because it fuckes them up so much, and others get so addicted that they ruin their health from it.
cecinestpasunecommunication@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 48d
I didn't drink coffee until I was thirty.
JasonDJ@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 48d
How about soda?
cecinestpasunecommunication@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 48d
Not by choice. I guess in a float, but root beer isn't caffeinated. I preferred herbal tea. I was a very edgy child.
applebusch@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 47d
lots of tea has caffeine in it
cecinestpasunecommunication@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 47d
You just scan statements for things to support what you already believe,don't you? Do you realize how ridiculously fascist that is?
M137@lemmy.today · -1 pts · 47d
They specifically said herbal tea, which in general doesn't have caffeine.
NaibofTabr@infosec.pub · 44 pts · 48d
Caffeine: am I a joke to you?
trepli@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 48d
Apparentely it's only considered a dependence and not an addiction, even though there are a lot of discussions about it.
Caffeine dependence:
OldGrayDog@fedinsfw.app · 32 pts · 48d
I believe that sugar and caffeine are the real gateway drugs, they are the 1st chemical compounds many people are addicted to.
Dozzi92@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 48d
Gateway to what? Harder cookies? A double shot of espresso? They're definitely drugs, but I think to call them a gateway isn't so accurate.
fizzle@quokk.au · 5 pts · 48d
"Gateway" is subjective, but sugar is certainly the first substance people encounter that influences cognitive behavior. Consume this thing and feel this way.
Of course that doesn't mean you're going to go and shoot up some heroin, but both are certainly "addictive".
shweddy@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 48d
Dependency
SethTaylor@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 48d
And salt and fat
humorlessrepost@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 48d
Both of those are biologically necessary. So if we’re going that route, oxygen.
You can live just fine without consuming sugar or caffeine.
T156@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 48d
Sugar is a bit of a stretch, since we also do need it. We just get it in a lot of food, since a lot of the foods we eat also need sugar to grow and do things.
CultLeader4Hire@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 48d
You can get sugar from carbs, the issue is refined sugars
humorlessrepost@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 48d
We do need a small amount of glucose, that’s why I was specific that we don’t need to consume it. We can make the amount we actually need from the protein we eat.
Whether that’s ideal or not is a separate conversation, but we can live our whole lives without consuming sugar or carbs.
We’d literally die if we didn’t eat salt or fat.
SethTaylor@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 48d
https://blog.myfitnesspal.com/ask-dietitian-can-you-survive-without-carbs/
Can you survive without any carbs in your diet? An army of zero-carb-diet social media influencers seem to think so.
EDIT: To clarify, my whole point in this thread has been that you can get addicted to salt and fat, both of which are things you need. I don't know why the fuck anyone would want to ramble about whether you can "fully quit carbs". Maybe the best question here is "Why would you and why are you even talking about it?". Again: you can get addicted to things you need. Consuming it in excess is what makes it an addiction. There's no rule that says you can only get addicted to things you want but not need
SethTaylor@lemmy.world · -8 pts · 48d
Dude... they're literally banning fast-food ads in the UK. This is no time to get pedantic haha
You can absolutely get addicted to salt and fat
And we do need sugar... Carbs are sugar. You need carbs
Don't take this personally but it kinda sucks you got upvoted this much
EDIT: Lots of morbidly obese Americans here. Sorry I offended your gods, salt and fat. Oh and get off the internet every once in a while. There's too many of you here and 90% of your opinions are moronic.
Astronut@lemmy.zip · 32 pts · 48d
Been smoking weed for over 50 years and I never found that gate!
pelespirit@sh.itjust.works · 24 pts · 48d
That's because you were too stoned to look for it. You set us up man.
Astronut@lemmy.zip · 11 pts · 48d
I didn’t know I was supposed to be looking for the sumbitch! I usually just climbed over the fence.
Alaik@lemmy.zip · 28 pts · 47d
The gateway is having to deal with shitty people that used to be in those crowds.
Its becoming less of an issue as more people use it responsibly like social drinkers and you dont have to deal with a complete waste of space to society to get it or be around others who partake.
Reefer madness is bullshit, but its also not 100% harmless either. Chronic use of THC still almost certainly causes GABA disregulation for instance.
You have a stupid majority who act like weed is just as bad as heroine and meth and THE gateway drug, but the potheads who are just horrible people spouting about how its completely harmless aren't helping the cause either.
SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 47d
Also people with mental illness in their family history should probably not use it. But that is true for all drugs, including alcohol.
LodeMike@lemmy.today · 27 pts · 48d
The war on drugs has always been bullshit. I wonder how many bosses have said "drug free workplace" or principals saying "drug free campus" while holding a cup of coffee.
terranoid@lemmy.cafe · 11 pts · 48d
I'm not for prohibition whatsoever, but have you seen the difference between someone who chose coffee as their drug of choice and spend decades drinking it versus smoking meth?
LodeMike@lemmy.today · 7 pts · 48d
I'm making fun of all the propaganda.
For example: Someone who is against the justice system as it is isn't advocating for murder to be legal.
couldhavebeenyou@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 48d
Don't you dare discompare a cup of coffee to my morning meth
JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 48d
Depends if they're using an intoxicating amount as well. Plenty of folks around on a dose of amphetamines that would have you and me stimming our brains out. For work that doesn't involve dangerous machines or the safety of others, I say, As long as I can't tell you're high on something and it's not effecting your work, whatever makes your day more enjoyable have at.
terranoid@lemmy.cafe · 2 pts · 48d
But let's compare the potential for abuse for a moment
01189998819991197253@infosec.pub · 21 pts · 48d
Alcohol and nicotine are the first step in the path of despair. But cannabis is the gateway to a good time. Change my mind.
Hansae@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 11 pts · 48d
Eh alcohol can be enjoyed in moderation. Personally I massively prefer it to weed
01189998819991197253@infosec.pub · 3 pts · 48d
Same. I'm not actually a fan of weed. No ill effects, just not more enjoyable to not consuming it for me, and less enjoyable than the right amount of alcohol (but much more enjoyable than too much alcohol, so balance is key).
seblin@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 48d
Are you really having a good time when the munchies hit but you're out of snacc?
CADmonkey@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 48d
A little planning ahead can help with that.
A tip that has helped me a lot with munchies: instead of chips and taco bell, reach for some fruit. Solves munchies and cottonmouth.
01189998819991197253@infosec.pub · 1 pts · 48d
I don't get the munchies, so there's that.
Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 18 pts · 48d
You forgot caffeine in the meme
Hupf@feddit.org · 11 pts · 48d
Refined sugar.
AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 47d
Literally classified as a unscheduled drug but people give it a pass cuz ur more "productive". More people have died from caffeine overdose then weed overdose.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · -4 pts · 47d
Sounds like a rectal fact, got a source?
Donkter@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 47d
It's true, mostly because the LD 50 for THC is like a kg/kg (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK563174/). It's so astronomical that you would die from many other issues before thc became a concern. Caffeine actually has a pretty low LD 50 even among many illicit drugs, it's just more widespread so people aren't incentivized to take hyper-concentrated doses of it.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 47d
I don't think there's a single recorded example of someone dying from cannabis overdose in the history of humankind.
AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 47d
Lol ok troll
Phantaloons@piefed.zip · 18 pts · 48d
Person 1: You know what? You're right. They should all be deregulated.
Person 2: You know what? You're right. They should all be illegal.
Skullgrid@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 48d
2 : Mormons
EDIT: Although not sure , given how Utah/SLC is. IT's a shitty joke, I apologise.
fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works · 14 pts · 48d
Caffine. The kids drug of choice
IAmYouButYouDontKnowYet@reddthat.com · 12 pts · 48d
As someone that's smoked weed for 20 years, I think it's too potent now and consider the plant to be something that got abused by humans the same way humans abuse everything they touch.
Don't be a stoner.
Use it as medicine.
Stoners are junkies.
After 20 years I'm finally realizing this and using it more as only medicine.
I remember a quote I read a looong time ago... "If your eyes get red you are abusing it." From that point on when your eyes are deeply red, it's not medicine, it's an escape.
Also... The side effects of capitalism are a gateway drug because capitalism gives people the want to escape.
BananaIsABerry@lemmy.zip · 12 pts · 47d
"Someone had to say it"
-some guy, not even within the first 10 people to say it
VinegarChunks@lemmus.org · 9 pts · 48d
Has anyone called marijuana “a gateway drug” since 1997 or so?
Duamerthrax@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 47d
Boomers and uptight genX.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 47d
You mean the generations that made pot use common in college?
No one is calling cannabis a gateway drug aside from the Republicans. Who all do cocaine.
content_educator_94@thelemmy.club · 7 pts · 47d
Whoa dude. Republicans do all the drugs known to man, they just judge everyone else especially minorities for it, in a delicious and idiotic hypocrisy.
Ronald Reagan and Nancy Reagan both regularly smoked marijuana.
I'm not denying that shit loads of Republicans do cocaine (and meth) but I guess what I'm saying is that they also do all those other drugs that they hate on left wing people and minorities for doing.
So many boomer Republicans are so doped up on legal opioids because they're rich connected and have good doctors, it's not even funny. All while freaking out about anything that becomes available on the street, accessible to people without insurance.
Part of me feels like they wanted heroin and oxycodone replaced with the far more lethal fentanyl for the purpose of punishing the "wicked junkies" but that's somewhat of a conspiracy theory.
hovercat@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 47d
I mean, there's a reason crack cocaine was so prolific and associated with negative outcomes in black communities... It's reasonable that a similar strategy might be used again in that same manner.
content_educator_94@thelemmy.club · 1 pts · 47d
History often rhymes
73QjabParc34Vebq@piefed.blahaj.zone · 7 pts · 48d
Gateway to free thinking
CADmonkey@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 48d
Its been my experience that 125cc motorcycles, Cessna 172's, DJI Mini-2 drones, and Ender-3's are also gateway drugs. Less illegal but just as damaging financially.
SuperSpruce@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 48d
I often call e-bikes gateway drugs to motorcycles :)
CADmonkey@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 47d
I'm older, for me normal bikes were gateway drugs to motorcycles.
On the other hand, for me normal bicycles were gateway drugs to even more expensive normal bicycles...
SethTaylor@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 48d
I've been rawdogging life for 31 years
I dare you to try it
I dare you
Simulation6@sopuli.xyz · 10 pts · 48d
Healthy and sober is no way to go through life son.
Obi@sopuli.xyz · 4 pts · 48d
I tried, it was terrible.
Dozzi92@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 48d
Borrrriiinnnngggg.
Treczoks@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 48d
It is a gateway drug, not the. But it is the one that forwards most people to harder drugs.
shneancy@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 48d
nictoine would be a gateway drug too if you had to meet with a shady dude in an alleyway or get bitcoin to buy it
espentan@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 47d
Since weed is still illegal in many/most places, getting your hands on some could also introduce you to criminal elements that can provide a shorter route to harder drugs.
I write that as I recall joining a buddy as he went to some guys apartment to buy weed, and in the living room we were met with the dealer casually shooting heroin, asking if we'd like some. I can't recall ever having a stronger "holly shit I need to get out of here"-feeling.
I suddenly felt way too close to a road I did not want to go down.
Godric@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 48d
Internet explorer ass comment, 2007 called, they want their hot take back
glimse@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 47d
They're so proud of their "hot take," they took the screenshot themselves to post elsewhere
Dookieman12@piefed.social · 4 pts · 48d
One of. The biggest is the fact that no one even thinks about sugar or caffeine.
strawberry_enjoyer42@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 48d
As someone who hates coffee, soda, and energy drinks, i think about this anytime I see any of the above.
Eh_I@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 48d
How D.A.R.E. you!
teslasaur@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 48d
illegal gateway drug. The implication is pretty obvious.
Give it a few years and the moniker will change in places where it has been legalized. Some other illegal drug will be rebranded as the gateway.
jdr@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 48d
So brave
Summzashi@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 48d
Nicotine definitely shouldn't get a seat at this table.
pewgar_seemsimandroid@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 0 pts · 48d
good on new Zealand for slowly letting it die out.
ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 48d
Aren't all 3 talked about as such?
CultLeader4Hire@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 48d
Idk where you live but in the US, no, not at all. There’s a reason we have the ATF, alcohol, tobacco and firearms agency while weed is treated like it’s as dangerous as heroin. Drinking and smoking is completely normalized, grandma drinking and smoking is completely normal but grandma will act like you’re going straight to hell if she finds out you smoked a joint and thinks you need to go to rehab
ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 48d
Canada, 30 years ago the DARE programme had all 3.
Dozzi92@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 48d
Yeah, my middle school health class in Jersey talked about cigarettes, alcohol, weed, and in the same breath mushrooms, acid, cocaine, and heroin. It's where I learned about which drugs I wanted to try.
CultLeader4Hire@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 48d
To kids it’s bad sure but no adult thinks that way
k0e3@lemmy.ca · -1 pts · 47d
Im14andthisisdeep
This is literally something that is taught in highschool, not some brave, contrarian belief.
RoidingOldMan@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 48d
It made sense though. People would get weed from their dealer that's laced with something else, now they're addicted to meth or something. Now that marijuana's legalized and I don't need a dealer, that risk is gone.
PM_ME_YOUR_ZOD_RUNES@sh.itjust.works · 10 pts · 48d
I live in a small ass rural Canadian town and drug dealers lacing weed was never a thing. Is this shit actually common cause I always felt it was fear mongering. I'd be way more worried about cocaine and other shit like that.
jordanpwnsyou@lemmy.zip · 11 pts · 48d
No dealer is giving away free drugs by secretly lacing your weed with something way more expensive. Dealers lace harder drugs to make more money, not slipping you some meth for… reasons?
Dozzi92@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 48d
People try to explain away the fact that they just got too high by saying the weed was laced with Raid (yep, heard that enough) or some other shit. I think people try to ignore that weed can absolutely send you to bad night by saying, oh, it must've been tampered with.
Derpenheim@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 48d
Weed doesn't accidentally get laced with anything, and they sure as shit aren't gonna give you it for free.
Cocaine is laced (more like cut) with cleaning chemicals all the time to make it less coke and more clorox, which is considerably cheaper.