Then they wrote a review: "Turds in my soup! I was told they would only be in brown people's soup! Please do something about this! This is still my favorite restaurant though, would definitely eat again."
As a non-American, it's like sitting in a regular restaurant trying to have lunch but the entire place stinks like shit from the Turd Soup Restaurant down the street.
It's the standard "my enemies are so unbelievably stupid that they can't do anything correctly and are utterly incompetent, but also they are smart enough that they are sabotaging us at every corner in ways so sophisticated no one can prevent it." Somehow this actually works long term...
The analogy is a little too nice though, maybe. It'd be more accurate to say they placed an order for "the turd soup that kills brown people, Muslims, and trans people, when I eat it" -- and when they noticed their targets weren't totally annihilated, they asked for a 2nd helping.
Pretty sure they assumed they wouldn't be eating it when they ordered it, they figured they were ordering it for the people that liked things they didn't like
It's actually so insane how much of a cult it is, I have long covid and live with maga people who DAILY see me be in bed for 16 hours and barely able to do things while not in bed, and STILL say "covid was just the flu and overblown." I have no explanation besides they're just too bought in at this point.
Love Colbert, amazing guy.
But he is mistaken.. Elon Musk hacked the election in key states for Trump.
I am not an American and I know my opinion is worthless but Elon Musk is a giant piece of shit that should be (word that starts with "exe" and ends with a very nice "cuted")
Even if there were skullduggery, which I don't doubt myself, the statement is still the same. They ignored the warnings it was turd soup first time, got it, hated it, but tried to order it a second time thinking it'd be better. We got milquetoast instead and they then wanted the soup AGAIN and now are complaining about it again.
It makes a lot of sense to rig the elections. It would be more shocking to discover the elections haven't been rigged this whole time and our government really is a chaotic mess that somehow functions.
Its white supremacy - There are plenty that don't regret theur choices because they are either still unaffected because they are closer to the white supremacist ideal (affluent, non marginilized white men) or think they will soon become those men (temporarily embarrassed non marginilized white men that aren't afluent) or they think they are the exception to the rule (tokenized minorities and white women, gay white me, etc who are only tokenized as long as they are useful).
I wish we could raise white people's class consciousness and sense of solidarity with all working people
I agree with a lot of what you said but the fact is 46% of Latino voters chose trump too. The fact is the billionaire owed propaganda machine is very effective at keeping us divided and distracted
Because Democrats don't give a shit about working class people, and use marginalized people as tokens. "You'll vote for us because Republicans actively hate you." Seriously the amount of contempt Democrats seem to have for their own base is alarming.
So Latino voters vote on other things, like abortion. Being mostly Catholic this tends to split that group up. Moreso because the DNC refuses to support down ballot Democrats that don't go hard for abortion.
It's cuz those people got theirs and now they want to close the gate, same as the current cons, theyre to dumb to realized that once they do get that wish, they'll be the next group of people the cons will focus on getting rid off since current day concurvatism exclusicly focus on exclusion. I don't like a shitload of foreigners migrating out into a country like what happened here in canada during Justin's reign just so they can cover cheap labor and exclude younger workers but it's stupid for them to think they won't be persecuted by people like this and can't understand that these people aren't concervatives, theyre fascists.
No one in either camp came up with a comprehensive plan to formally set guidelines for immigration, targets, quotas, etc . It was a mess because no one dealt with it.
While he failed to get a comprehensive immigration reform law passed, he took important steps toward protecting DREAMERs and focusing enforcement priorities.
DACA provides protection from deportation and work authorization to certain undocumented immigrants brought to the U.S. as children. In the last few years, DACA has proven successful for the 740,000 individuals who benefitted from the initiative.
One of the first steps the Obama administration took toward changing enforcement priorities came with the elimination of large worksite raids, which had been widely used during the Bush administration. In contrast to large raids, Obama emphasized investigating and penalizing employers. Early changes were also made to the priorities of the Fugitive Operations Program, which had been apprehending “the easiest targets, not the most dangerous fugitives.”
Compared to the current administration being overtly racist (Calling all Mexican immigrants drug mules, saying that Haitians are eating cats and dogs), while upping ICE budgets so they can chase after people without any criminal history...
As to your second point, double jack shit is two jack shits. I'm not saying that no black people voted for trump. I'm disputing the point you made refuting that white supremacy was the reason we have trump.
It was 100% white supremacy, and saying 'well, Black people did it too' is a magat talking point.
The fact that latinos helped greatly, does not make it any less motivated by white supremacy, except from an American white racist's standpoint. Plenty of people not considered white by American white supremacists still consider themselves white, especially in central and South America.
How were they supposed to know there were turds in it?? There were NO indications!
I was talking to someone and they said "oh man this person Trump worked with turned out to be an evil scammer. So did this person. And these 20 other people. And also Jeffery Epstein." I'm like huh wow he must just be really unlucky then! No other explanation!
I love watching people get what they deserve. But I worry we've created a world where its not possible to change your stance on something or admit you were wrong. Like something from the Art of War that says you shouldn't surround your enemy completely or they will fight harder since escape isn't an option. Even if you don't intend for them to escape, merely thinking they can wont cause them to fight as hard.
also they are only admitting they were wrong, after they get fucked by the hate policies they thought were only going to be used against brown people.
and they expect to be treated like the actual victims of those policies, and receive care, and concern, and comfort, and support, about the egregious wrongs they suffered, just like they've seen the actual victims of these policies get time and time again.
and they don't get it, because they are the stupid cunts that supported all that shit, voted for all that shit, and still'd be fighting for all that shit if it hadnt suddenly affected them.
Ok thats super fair and I didn't consider. Like people who wanted ICE until their wife got deported.
It just sucks cuz I'm sure there are decent people who are only conservative and vote that way cuz their parents did and that's how it's always been for them. Kind of like religion.
I'll say: it really seems like that call is coming from inside the house. Lots of former conservatives can get by in leftist spaces by just not being a conservative when asked about their opinions. If you can laugh at who you used to be you can absolutely be a reformed conservative. Maybe you have to be a few years removed from who you used to be but I've seen it, I know people who have gone through exactly that and they're as left as anyone now. Mostly because being a leftist means engaging with and being in the normal world.
But if you're in a conservative environment even the smallest dissent can be seen as fully treasonous. It spirals into hysteria and we see how conservatives have to live in an alternate reality to stay in the in-group.
There are definitely those people, along with ones who were actively harmed by Trump when they thought he would only hurt minorities or whatever.
But I think there's people out there who only vote R cuz their parents do and they're in a small conservative town in the country.
If people flip from R to D its like a x2 effect. Not only are R's getting less votes but D's are getting more. Idk. Maybe everyone is already set in their ways or will switch on their own eventually.
I mean yeah but the dude rapes children so he needs to be in prison. The ideal answer would have been for his parents to have raised him better but that ship sailed a long time ago.
Art of War is a little inapplicable here because in that book, there's an assumption the enemy isn't out to destroy the whole world, but trump really has no qualms about destroying everything if that's what it takes for him to keep his freedom despite his horrific crimes.
I worry we’ve created a world where its not possible to change your stance on something or admit you were wrong.
Are you kidding? It is comically easy to just change sides, announce you have always believed everything about the side your own, and begin heckling the people on the original side by calling them idiots and assholes. Just roll up another account. Or be Tucker Carlson.
Nobody will care, so long as your caustic remarks and smug self-aggrandizement and self-pitying doomerism jerks your audience off the right way.
Like something from the Art of War that says you shouldn’t surround your enemy completely or they will fight harder since escape isn’t an option.
The problem isn't that Liberals have somehow backed Conservatives into a corner. The problem is that Conservatives effectively make up a Liberal to be afraid of and regularly sell their voter base on being terrified of the Dark Brandon Ultra-Left Anarcho-Chinese Muslim Tankie hiding behind the milquetoast corporate centrist who agrees with them on 90% of public policy.
When you've built a fantasy world for your voters to live in, the best way to keep them there is to tell a bunch of horror stories about what's outside the echo chamber.
Im not saying liberals have literally backed maga into a corner with no escape. It was just an analogy.
And are you kidding? Are you seeing maga declare themselves liberal in droves? There's supposed to be a "blue wave" coming for midterms so I guess we'll wait and see. But if there is a blue wave id think it's because maga are upset and not going out to support trump, not that they've all become liberals.
Yeah... for the most part they just double down. You can point out the war in Iran that they supposedly didn't want, the deficits they supposedly wanted to reduce, the prices that they thought would go down with tariffs somehow, and they will just say that doesn't matter because the Democrats were going to turn their boys into girls.
Half was ok with turd soup as long as liberals got turd soup too. Owning the libs was priority. The other half thought they were ordering turd soup for the others and not them, and then were surprised when everyone gets turd soup.
It's hard to feel sympathy for Trump voters in general, but certainly there are some specific Trump voters who might deserve sympathy.
Just as some people are raised racist, homophobic, etc. but change their tune once they actually meet some POC, LGBT people, etc., there will be people out there who have just absorbed general vibes of "Republicans = good economy, Democrats = bad economy" from everyone in their lives and never experienced anything that made them question it. Some people are well-intentioned, but... really dumb and oblivious.
I try to feel sympathy when I can. Like 90% of my generation was raised to believe homosexuality was immoral and gay marriage was wrong and that was how I felt. That changed when I grew up and I've spent 30 years fighting for gay rights.
But the reason I don't feel sympathy in this case is that Trump represents NOTHING about how Southern Conservative Christians were raising their kids. He's the living embodiment of everything the church claims to be against. He's a New York elitist pedophile billionaire the "regular hard-working folk" should despise. There's nothing redeeming about him AT ALL.
I get the impression he's torn on abortion laws - because he gets an erection thinking about killing innocent babies but doesn't like the idea of women having ownership of their own bodies.
it's dipped these days to "only" 81-82%. Which is a big drop, but still way too damn high. Propoganda is crazy.
The supposed "independents" are where his numbers truly cratered. Basically drove his entire approval rating since Democratic approval started at like... 6%.
I have yet to meet one that wasn't. Any demographic large enough will have outliers, but bulk of trump voters are bigoted assholes who want nothing but to harm other people for being different.
Absolutely. I see this mentality "they never care until it happens to them" a lot, and I get it and was guilty of it myself, but an effective political movement needs to be able to welcome people regardless of background.
In these threads we're not really speaking to those people who have e seen the light though. We are collectively mourning what has been lost, and "we told you so" is a somewhat satisfying outlet.
We need justice to heal. If we don’t get justice for these last ten years the good parts of this country will never trust it again. Would you rather republicans feel less offended or would you rather those that actually make up the bulk of this countries economy feel as if their time on this planet is useful? I’m tired of my side throwing me out like fucking trash because an ugly ogre of a right winger is crying because vaccines are expected of them and they don't wanna. I’m tired of them destroying everything good that we do because they believe bullshit.
Quit punishing good people because some fucking dumb fucks are crying.
They voted Republican because they were shamed and insulted by the right. They desire to be put in their place by strong individuals. This is the key yall are missing. We need to prove strength to them not accept them.
Many of them are cheering on, and enthusiastically voted for, the ethnic cleansing of the United States. They do not give a single fuck about the genocide of brown people.
If you voted for Trump and you realize it was a mistake, that's OK. People make mistakes and what is important is that you realize it was a mistake and don't do it again in the future
Welcome to the Democratic party, I'm glad to have you with us
Of course there are people who make mistakes, but Trump’s poor-people base is, at its core, temporarily embarrassed millionaires. They voted for him to take away from others hoping that the savings would be spent directly on their social causes.
Colbert doesnt speak to Mexicans confirmed. Seems like he sticks to English speaking people. I am surrounded by non english speakers as a half filipino. I know so many mexicans that love trump. I dont believe Colbert sympathizes with them either but I fear thats out of ignorance. I dont like it when people speak like Colbert did here because it lacks necessary nuance but im unaware of the context here, but if this is colberts most nuanced and real take then I pity him the same I pity the working class Filipino and Mexican and Black and all other kinds of Americans that voted for Trump. Its the same ignorance, but supposedly Colbert should know a bit more about empathy with propaganda on the poor persons mind.
Some people didn't care about turd soup in restaurants because the have the third option to cook for themselves. That's one of the reasons, the rest still has to eat turd soup.
What I'm fucking sick of is having to eat this turd soup even though I don't even live in that shithole country. If the U.S. must leak their turd soup all over the world, then the rest of the world should get to vote as well.
It's the people's fault for not selecting the low-sodium turd soup.
EDIT: Guys, I voted for harris. Stop trying to convince me to vote how I voted in an election that already happened. I'm telling you that if you keep running candidates who won't represent the people, the people won't vote for them.
Frederick Douglas was an escaped slave who fought for Abolition.
Back in 1860 he had a choice. He could back the Abolition candidate, who was almost certain to lose, or to back Abe Lincoln. Lincoln had said that saving the Union was more important then ending slavery.
Douglas decided it was smarter to help Lincoln win and get a seat at the table, than to lose and be shut out.
Did I mention that Douglas had actually been a slave?
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human@slrpnk.net · 224 pts · 18h
Also they ordered it for the whole restaurant and assumed all the turds would be in other people's bowls.
PorradaVFR@lemmy.world · 51 pts · 18h
Very well put.
…icky, too. 😜
A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip · 36 pts · 14h
Then they wrote a review: "Turds in my soup! I was told they would only be in brown people's soup! Please do something about this! This is still my favorite restaurant though, would definitely eat again."
mmmm, turds 🤤
moondoggie@lemmy.world · 27 pts · 12h
“I mean, I know I’m brown, but it’s supposed to be in the other brown people’s soup.”
A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip · 4 pts · 7h
Oh yeah, that too. "But I voted Republican for years and always pointed at people poorer & browner than me! You can't deport me!"
edit: sorry, lost the restaurant critic role there.
CrabAndBroom@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 8h
As a non-American, it's like sitting in a regular restaurant trying to have lunch but the entire place stinks like shit from the Turd Soup Restaurant down the street.
a_non_monotonic_function@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 9h
And then looked at the rest of us shocked about the turds and asked us why sleepy Joe made us all collectively do it.
TheTechnician27@lemmy.world · 69 pts · 18h
Source for the quote. To clarify, this was from February 2025, although this quote is evergreen enough that it doesn't make much difference.
A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip · 40 pts · 13h
There's ever
greensbrownsredsfrom 2016 that are as fresh as back then!keisatsu@infosec.pub · 29 pts · 18h
everbrown one might even say
NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 10h
It's a timeless classic..err.. turd soup.
AntiBullyRanger@ani.social · 1 pts · 15h
but what's FALGFA here‽
SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world · 48 pts · 14h
Then they blame the turd in the soup on the democrats and lefties. Meanwhile the turd brags how people are eating his shit up.
starelfsc2@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 7h
It's the standard "my enemies are so unbelievably stupid that they can't do anything correctly and are utterly incompetent, but also they are smart enough that they are sabotaging us at every corner in ways so sophisticated no one can prevent it." Somehow this actually works long term...
sundray@lemmus.org · 37 pts · 18h
The analogy is a little too nice though, maybe. It'd be more accurate to say they placed an order for "the turd soup that kills brown people, Muslims, and trans people, when I eat it" -- and when they noticed their targets weren't totally annihilated, they asked for a 2nd helping.
Lodespawn@aussie.zone · 16 pts · 18h
Pretty sure they assumed they wouldn't be eating it when they ordered it, they figured they were ordering it for the people that liked things they didn't like
architect@thelemmy.club · 5 pts · 11h
They walked around mask off to catch covid to prove their loyalty. They’ll eat shit and smile about it.
starelfsc2@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 7h
It's actually so insane how much of a cult it is, I have long covid and live with maga people who DAILY see me be in bed for 16 hours and barely able to do things while not in bed, and STILL say "covid was just the flu and overblown." I have no explanation besides they're just too bought in at this point.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 6 pts · 15h
no actually they ordered the soup, that also kills thier own as well, and then come back later for more, because it also kills the "other people"
Napster153@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 15h
They'd drink the Kool Aid, wouldn't they?
architect@thelemmy.club · 3 pts · 11h
Why do you all forget women? It’s half the fucking population!
baggachipz@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 11h
Half his voters were women.
sundray@lemmus.org · 1 pts · 6h
I am assuming my strawman isn't self-aware enough to realize they are misogynists.
A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip · 1 pts · 13h
bigmamoth@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 12h
is there any political decision made by trump that killed bown muslim and trans ?
BigBoyShuanzee@aussie.zone · 24 pts · 13h
Love Colbert, amazing guy. But he is mistaken.. Elon Musk hacked the election in key states for Trump.
I am not an American and I know my opinion is worthless but Elon Musk is a giant piece of shit that should be (word that starts with "exe" and ends with a very nice "cuted")
dastanktal@lemmy.ml · 27 pts · 11h
My guy, you're giving Elon way too much credit and the United States citizens not enough.
Donald Trump is the president we deserve and definitely the president we voted in. Un-fucking-fortunately.
BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 4 pts · 9h
Even if there were skullduggery, which I don't doubt myself, the statement is still the same. They ignored the warnings it was turd soup first time, got it, hated it, but tried to order it a second time thinking it'd be better. We got milquetoast instead and they then wanted the soup AGAIN and now are complaining about it again.
surewhynotlem@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 12h
Exe..cutive branch won't let him be prose...cuted.
Taleya@aussie.zone · 7 pts · 9h
Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity
lavander@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 0 pts · 9h
Please, let’s not start “elections are rigged” on the other side of the spectrum as well.
DredPyr8Roberts@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 8h
But they are rigged. Its called gerrymandering and Electoral College.
Gaslov@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 8h
It makes a lot of sense to rig the elections. It would be more shocking to discover the elections haven't been rigged this whole time and our government really is a chaotic mess that somehow functions.
LLMhater1312@piefed.social · 23 pts · 9h
Its white supremacy - There are plenty that don't regret theur choices because they are either still unaffected because they are closer to the white supremacist ideal (affluent, non marginilized white men) or think they will soon become those men (temporarily embarrassed non marginilized white men that aren't afluent) or they think they are the exception to the rule (tokenized minorities and white women, gay white me, etc who are only tokenized as long as they are useful).
I wish we could raise white people's class consciousness and sense of solidarity with all working people
Formfiller@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 8h
I agree with a lot of what you said but the fact is 46% of Latino voters chose trump too. The fact is the billionaire owed propaganda machine is very effective at keeping us divided and distracted
impairedimperator@lemmy.zip · 9 pts · 8h
There are definitely non-white white supremacists...
cantstopthesignal@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 8h
The Dave Chappelle skit and Uncle Rukus were telling a hard truth along with trying to be funny.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 10 pts · 7h
Millions of black and latino voters choose Trump. Latinos tipped the scale away from Democrats.
But there is a long bizarre history of immigrant groups immediately shitting on other immigrants.
SippyCup@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 7h
Because Democrats don't give a shit about working class people, and use marginalized people as tokens. "You'll vote for us because Republicans actively hate you." Seriously the amount of contempt Democrats seem to have for their own base is alarming.
So Latino voters vote on other things, like abortion. Being mostly Catholic this tends to split that group up. Moreso because the DNC refuses to support down ballot Democrats that don't go hard for abortion.
Smaile@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 7h
It's cuz those people got theirs and now they want to close the gate, same as the current cons, theyre to dumb to realized that once they do get that wish, they'll be the next group of people the cons will focus on getting rid off since current day concurvatism exclusicly focus on exclusion. I don't like a shitload of foreigners migrating out into a country like what happened here in canada during Justin's reign just so they can cover cheap labor and exclude younger workers but it's stupid for them to think they won't be persecuted by people like this and can't understand that these people aren't concervatives, theyre fascists.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 6h
The USA has been kicking the ball forward on a cohesive immigration plan for decades, Democrats did nothing to address that.
Turd Soup or Shit Smoothie is the choice.
jpreston2005@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 5h
I think the republicans being obstinate and stonewalling at every conceivable avenue might have had an effect.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 5h
No one in either camp came up with a comprehensive plan to formally set guidelines for immigration, targets, quotas, etc . It was a mess because no one dealt with it.
jpreston2005@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 3h
I don't think you're giving Obama enough credit here
Compared to the current administration being overtly racist (Calling all Mexican immigrants drug mules, saying that Haitians are eating cats and dogs), while upping ICE budgets so they can chase after people without any criminal history...
I'd say the choice is obvious.
Nouvellalia@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 7h
High percentages of Latino voters, yes, but not high percentages of black voters.
https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2025/06/26/voting-patterns-in-the-2024-election/
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 5h
anything over 0% is high.
"Trump nearly doubled his support among Black voters between 2020 and 2024"
Nouvellalia@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 4h
Agreed
As to your second point, double jack shit is two jack shits. I'm not saying that no black people voted for trump. I'm disputing the point you made refuting that white supremacy was the reason we have trump.
It was 100% white supremacy, and saying 'well, Black people did it too' is a magat talking point.
The fact that latinos helped greatly, does not make it any less motivated by white supremacy, except from an American white racist's standpoint. Plenty of people not considered white by American white supremacists still consider themselves white, especially in central and South America.
BigMacHole@thelemmy.club · 23 pts · 9h
I ordered the TURD SOUP and all I got was TURD in my SOUP! I HATE eating Turds! It's INHUMANE to eat TURDS! Would DEFINITELY Order Turd Soup AGAIN!
-LITERALLY Republican Voters!
starelfsc2@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 7h
How were they supposed to know there were turds in it?? There were NO indications!
I was talking to someone and they said "oh man this person Trump worked with turned out to be an evil scammer. So did this person. And these 20 other people. And also Jeffery Epstein." I'm like huh wow he must just be really unlucky then! No other explanation!
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 7h
Y'all got any more of that Turd soup?
osanna@lemmy.vg · 22 pts · 17h
awwww. trump isn't a turd. Turds are beneficial and help nature. Dumpy only hinders everything he touches.
WanderingThoughts@europe.pub · 16 pts · 16h
He's got the Meirdas Touch.
Almacca@aussie.zone · 7 pts · 15h
He's more of a toxic waste soup.
Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 12h
Sadly not the version that give you super powers :(
Almacca@aussie.zone · 2 pts · 12h
His legal invulnerability possibly counts.
Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 12h
That is just called being rich. Not a super power
Almacca@aussie.zone · 3 pts · 12h
Tell that to Batman.
Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 11h
Batmans Superpower are the Tibetan Monk techniques
chunk6235@piefed.social · 2 pts · 9h
I'm don't know that the people who died from cholera thought turds were super beneficial, but it still killed them.
Who knew when you put a turd in something you need to survive, it will get you sick and kill you. Totally nothing like our current government.
AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 6h
I love watching people get what they deserve. But I worry we've created a world where its not possible to change your stance on something or admit you were wrong. Like something from the Art of War that says you shouldn't surround your enemy completely or they will fight harder since escape isn't an option. Even if you don't intend for them to escape, merely thinking they can wont cause them to fight as hard.
resipsaloquitur@lemmy.cafe · 7 pts · 6h
They don’t want to escape, though.
They’re in a prison of their own design.
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 3h
also they are only admitting they were wrong, after they get fucked by the hate policies they thought were only going to be used against brown people.
and they expect to be treated like the actual victims of those policies, and receive care, and concern, and comfort, and support, about the egregious wrongs they suffered, just like they've seen the actual victims of these policies get time and time again.
and they don't get it, because they are the stupid cunts that supported all that shit, voted for all that shit, and still'd be fighting for all that shit if it hadnt suddenly affected them.
AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 10m
Ok thats super fair and I didn't consider. Like people who wanted ICE until their wife got deported.
It just sucks cuz I'm sure there are decent people who are only conservative and vote that way cuz their parents did and that's how it's always been for them. Kind of like religion.
Donkter@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 3h
I'll say: it really seems like that call is coming from inside the house. Lots of former conservatives can get by in leftist spaces by just not being a conservative when asked about their opinions. If you can laugh at who you used to be you can absolutely be a reformed conservative. Maybe you have to be a few years removed from who you used to be but I've seen it, I know people who have gone through exactly that and they're as left as anyone now. Mostly because being a leftist means engaging with and being in the normal world.
But if you're in a conservative environment even the smallest dissent can be seen as fully treasonous. It spirals into hysteria and we see how conservatives have to live in an alternate reality to stay in the in-group.
Clutter@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 3h
But they are not admitting they where wrong... They are complaining Trump didn't deliver them the riches they where promised.
They are still bigoted assholes.
AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 3m
There are definitely those people, along with ones who were actively harmed by Trump when they thought he would only hurt minorities or whatever.
But I think there's people out there who only vote R cuz their parents do and they're in a small conservative town in the country.
If people flip from R to D its like a x2 effect. Not only are R's getting less votes but D's are getting more. Idk. Maybe everyone is already set in their ways or will switch on their own eventually.
Bluescluestoothpaste@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 8m
I mean yeah but the dude rapes children so he needs to be in prison. The ideal answer would have been for his parents to have raised him better but that ship sailed a long time ago.
Art of War is a little inapplicable here because in that book, there's an assumption the enemy isn't out to destroy the whole world, but trump really has no qualms about destroying everything if that's what it takes for him to keep his freedom despite his horrific crimes.
METATRONSTUDENT@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 3h
He also said once committed to an act there is no turning back.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 2h
Are you kidding? It is comically easy to just change sides, announce you have always believed everything about the side your own, and begin heckling the people on the original side by calling them idiots and assholes. Just roll up another account. Or be Tucker Carlson.
Nobody will care, so long as your caustic remarks and smug self-aggrandizement and self-pitying doomerism jerks your audience off the right way.
The problem isn't that Liberals have somehow backed Conservatives into a corner. The problem is that Conservatives effectively make up a Liberal to be afraid of and regularly sell their voter base on being terrified of the Dark Brandon Ultra-Left Anarcho-Chinese Muslim Tankie hiding behind the milquetoast corporate centrist who agrees with them on 90% of public policy.
When you've built a fantasy world for your voters to live in, the best way to keep them there is to tell a bunch of horror stories about what's outside the echo chamber.
AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 21m
Im not saying liberals have literally backed maga into a corner with no escape. It was just an analogy.
And are you kidding? Are you seeing maga declare themselves liberal in droves? There's supposed to be a "blue wave" coming for midterms so I guess we'll wait and see. But if there is a blue wave id think it's because maga are upset and not going out to support trump, not that they've all become liberals.
OpenPassageways@programming.dev · 1 pts · 3h
Yeah... for the most part they just double down. You can point out the war in Iran that they supposedly didn't want, the deficits they supposedly wanted to reduce, the prices that they thought would go down with tariffs somehow, and they will just say that doesn't matter because the Democrats were going to turn their boys into girls.
CptOblivius@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 9h
Half was ok with turd soup as long as liberals got turd soup too. Owning the libs was priority. The other half thought they were ordering turd soup for the others and not them, and then were surprised when everyone gets turd soup.
svcg@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 14 pts · 10h
It's hard to feel sympathy for Trump voters in general, but certainly there are some specific Trump voters who might deserve sympathy.
Just as some people are raised racist, homophobic, etc. but change their tune once they actually meet some POC, LGBT people, etc., there will be people out there who have just absorbed general vibes of "Republicans = good economy, Democrats = bad economy" from everyone in their lives and never experienced anything that made them question it. Some people are well-intentioned, but... really dumb and oblivious.
chiliedogg@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 6h
I try to feel sympathy when I can. Like 90% of my generation was raised to believe homosexuality was immoral and gay marriage was wrong and that was how I felt. That changed when I grew up and I've spent 30 years fighting for gay rights.
But the reason I don't feel sympathy in this case is that Trump represents NOTHING about how Southern Conservative Christians were raising their kids. He's the living embodiment of everything the church claims to be against. He's a New York elitist pedophile billionaire the "regular hard-working folk" should despise. There's nothing redeeming about him AT ALL.
I get the impression he's torn on abortion laws - because he gets an erection thinking about killing innocent babies but doesn't like the idea of women having ownership of their own bodies.
noahm@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 7h
Do keep in mind that Trump still enjoys something like 90+% approval among Republicans. Some people remain convinced that they like turd soup.
raze2012@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 6h
it's dipped these days to "only" 81-82%. Which is a big drop, but still way too damn high. Propoganda is crazy.
The supposed "independents" are where his numbers truly cratered. Basically drove his entire approval rating since Democratic approval started at like... 6%.
Objection@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 4h
That just means that people stop identifying as Republicans if they don't like Trump, because he's the image of the Republican party.
dreadbeef@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 6h
Hasnt he lost completely mexican male voters and young male voters?
5318008@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 3h
Hahahaha, no. Two thirds of Latino Trymp voters still approve.
Pew pew pew
Zephyr@sh.itjust.works · 10 pts · 14h
I think we're missing an opportunity to flip a lot of people blue with the "I told you so" vs "welcome to the real right side my friend"
Bytemeister@lemmy.world · 41 pts · 12h
Except we were seeing the exact same sentiments from trump voters in 2018.
Trump voters are literally the scorpion in that stupid parabale where everyone drowns.
Zephyr@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 8h
Some most definitely. Not all, reality is unfortunately not that simplistic.
Bytemeister@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 7h
I have yet to meet one that wasn't. Any demographic large enough will have outliers, but bulk of trump voters are bigoted assholes who want nothing but to harm other people for being different.
https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/424263-trump-supporter-complains-shutdown-is-not-hurting-the-people-he/
Zephyr@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 5h
I've ment plenty of normal people who were essentially uninformed.
Duitara@feddit.org · 10 pts · 14h
Absolutely. I see this mentality "they never care until it happens to them" a lot, and I get it and was guilty of it myself, but an effective political movement needs to be able to welcome people regardless of background.
im_fine_sandy@nord.pub · 12 pts · 12h
In these threads we're not really speaking to those people who have e seen the light though. We are collectively mourning what has been lost, and "we told you so" is a somewhat satisfying outlet.
architect@thelemmy.club · 11 pts · 11h
We need justice to heal. If we don’t get justice for these last ten years the good parts of this country will never trust it again. Would you rather republicans feel less offended or would you rather those that actually make up the bulk of this countries economy feel as if their time on this planet is useful? I’m tired of my side throwing me out like fucking trash because an ugly ogre of a right winger is crying because vaccines are expected of them and they don't wanna. I’m tired of them destroying everything good that we do because they believe bullshit.
Quit punishing good people because some fucking dumb fucks are crying.
zqps@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 9h
It's illusory to think that people who voted Trump until it affected them would ever be part of a progressive movement, for many reasons.
architect@thelemmy.club · 8 pts · 11h
They voted Republican because they were shamed and insulted by the right. They desire to be put in their place by strong individuals. This is the key yall are missing. We need to prove strength to them not accept them.
Zephyr@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 10h
I'm not saying this isn't a group of people but it's definitely not everyone who voted right.
the_q@piefed.social · 3 pts · 11h
Found a centrist!
Zephyr@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 10h
More like realist. A political party of five people is less powerful than a political party of fifty million people. Numbers win.
the_q@piefed.social · 2 pts · 10h
Right that's why we have the electoral college... But wait! That proves that the bigger number isn't the more powerful party! Silly me.
Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml · -25 pts · 14h
I'm sure they'll love the blue version of genocide!
theparadox@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 13h
Many of them are cheering on, and enthusiastically voted for, the ethnic cleansing of the United States. They do not give a single fuck about the genocide of brown people.
Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml · -21 pts · 13h
Exactly, they'll love the democrat version of Middle East genocide!
baggachipz@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 11h
Username does not check out.
Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 8h
😘
lIlIlIlIlIlIl@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 11h
Low effort, 2/10 troll
bitjunkie@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 10h
Generous of you
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 9 pts · 15h
they will eat trumps turd specifically, its mostly diarrhea since h never had a normal bowel movement due to drug abuse.
Airfried@piefed.social · 9 pts · 10h
And then they asked for the turd soup for a third time!
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 7h
Turd soup...as American as apple diarrhea pie...
Thebeardedsinglemalt@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 9h
And think turd soup should be the default appetizer for everyone
remon@ani.social · 8 pts · 15h
Jax@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 9h
I have sympathy for Trump voters in the same way that I have sympathy for the mentally handicapped.
That being said, I don't hate the mentally handicapped people. I do hate MAGA.
WanderWisley@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 2h
Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 5 pts · 12h
Their leaders like their followers: all metally small children
Dicska@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 10h
... Like mini robots?
cabillaud@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 15h
Real men eat turd soup.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 7h
daw@feddit.org · 4 pts · 12h
VelvetPinkOtter123@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 6h
That's a shitty way to get any change
If you voted for Trump and you realize it was a mistake, that's OK. People make mistakes and what is important is that you realize it was a mistake and don't do it again in the future
Welcome to the Democratic party, I'm glad to have you with us
w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 5h
He's criticizing them for making a mistake, realizing it was a mistake and being angry about it, then making the mistake again. Many out of contempt.
Horsey@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 5h
Of course there are people who make mistakes, but Trump’s poor-people base is, at its core, temporarily embarrassed millionaires. They voted for him to take away from others hoping that the savings would be spent directly on their social causes.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 2h
Guy on Left Side of the Ship: "Well, I just don't feel bad for the people on the right side of the ship"
Guy on the Right Side of the Ship: "I'm going to make this thing so much more leaky! You haven't seen how leaky I'm going to make it."
SnarkoPolo@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 7h
And they'll all just say it's the Democrats' fault, then bring in another red wave this November.
Alexfire@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 6h
DagwoodIII@piefed.social · 1 pts · 12h
A vote is a vote is a vote.
Winning elections is all that matters.
I don't care if someone backs my candidate because they look like the voter's crush, just as long as they vote the right way.
dreadbeef@lemmy.dbzer0.com · -3 pts · 6h
Colbert doesnt speak to Mexicans confirmed. Seems like he sticks to English speaking people. I am surrounded by non english speakers as a half filipino. I know so many mexicans that love trump. I dont believe Colbert sympathizes with them either but I fear thats out of ignorance. I dont like it when people speak like Colbert did here because it lacks necessary nuance but im unaware of the context here, but if this is colberts most nuanced and real take then I pity him the same I pity the working class Filipino and Mexican and Black and all other kinds of Americans that voted for Trump. Its the same ignorance, but supposedly Colbert should know a bit more about empathy with propaganda on the poor persons mind.
cuerdo@lemmy.world · -16 pts · 15h
Stop blaming the people, people went to the restaurant and they only had turd soup.
baggachipz@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 11h
The restaurant had turd soup and stale bread. The people who like bread saw it was stale so they left, and everyone remaining ordered the turd soup.
explodicle@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 10h
So what, are you seriously gonna vote for a giant douche, come on!
varnia@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 0 pts · 12h
Some people didn't care about turd soup in restaurants because the have the third option to cook for themselves. That's one of the reasons, the rest still has to eat turd soup.
DagwoodIII@piefed.social · 4 pts · 12h
It's like you don't understand how elections work.
The person who wins the election is in charge.
Unless you are rich enough to go hide out off the grid, you're eating the turd soup.
Dojan@pawb.social · 3 pts · 12h
What I'm fucking sick of is having to eat this turd soup even though I don't even live in that shithole country. If the U.S. must leak their turd soup all over the world, then the rest of the world should get to vote as well.
DagwoodIII@piefed.social · -1 pts · 11h
Well, maybe you'll be lucky and Putin will make Russia the most powerful country.
Dojan@pawb.social · 4 pts · 11h
Right, one despot for another. Would you like some bubonic plague, or would you prefer cholera?
DagwoodIII@piefed.social · 0 pts · 11h
If you don't like the options, no one is forcing you to stay...
Just kidding, you have to stay, don't you?
Dojan@pawb.social · 2 pts · 11h
Are you advocating suicide? That's rather bold.
Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world · -5 pts · 13h
It's the people's fault for not selecting the low-sodium turd soup.
EDIT: Guys, I voted for harris. Stop trying to convince me to vote how I voted in an election that already happened. I'm telling you that if you keep running candidates who won't represent the people, the people won't vote for them.
DagwoodIII@piefed.social · 2 pts · 12h
Frederick Douglas was an escaped slave who fought for Abolition.
Back in 1860 he had a choice. He could back the Abolition candidate, who was almost certain to lose, or to back Abe Lincoln. Lincoln had said that saving the Union was more important then ending slavery.
Douglas decided it was smarter to help Lincoln win and get a seat at the table, than to lose and be shut out.
Did I mention that Douglas had actually been a slave?
SuperNovaStar@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 10h
They're both bad, but I would absolutely rather have piss soup than turd soup (to use the analogy here)
Just because both sides are bad doesn't mean one side isn't significantly, exponentially worse.
explodicle@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 10h
"Man dies of eating nothing but piss soup repeatedly."