The Vienna Convention allows you to use either STOP or your native version. Likewise, you can either use a red octagonal sign, or a red upside-down triangle inside a red circle.
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bildtafel_der_Stoppschilder (that list only seems to exist in German Wikipedia)
What? I thought the point of the octagon was so you can also tell its a stop sign from the other side and always know who has priority. Yet some countries say, nah circle is good. Speed limit? Circle. Stop? Circle.
I think it has spilled into the rest of Canada too. I just spent a week in Alberta and every little thing that said "stop" also said "arrêt". But the only obvious French speakers I encountered were either tourists or government officials being intentionally accommodating.
On a more serious note I think Canadian bilingualism might exaggerate this effect. Every sign and product package is printed in both languages so in a way or makes sense to spell things out in full English and full French. i.e. It would be kinda weird to print English alongside some kind of nonstandard Franglish.
Packaging having both languages on it is a federal level legal requirement, since we are bilingual. However, the stop signs are more a regional thing. If there is a francophone population in the area, and you're not in Quebec, you might see both on a sign. In my home province, we have the dual language signs wherever the French speaking population is large enough to warrant it, but everywhere else has English only.
Yes that was my understanding. That's precisely why I shared my experience in Alberta, where I did not expect any substantial francophone population. Maybe that assumption was just wrong?
In general, I'd say you're right that Alberta wouldn't have a large population of francophones. But, especially in anglophone provinces, French speakers tend to live in French communities.
Like in my province, you could carve out ~80% of the land and have about 97% English speakers to 3% French speakers. But the remaining 20% is nearly 90% French speakers.
In Eastern Ontario you'll see these signs along the highway that spell some safety message. They'll have sometimes 2 or 3 in a row to fully tell you the thing in english. Then you'll get the same signs again explaining it in french.
You joke, but I had a bunch of (northern) Italians recommend Pizza Hut to me. To be entirely fair, it was in Germany and it’s better there than in the USA, but it’s still not good pizza.
Related "fun" fact: Quebec is the most prolific user of the Notwithstanding Clause, which allows the Parliament of Canada or any province or territory thereof to "temporarily" override parts of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms (essentially Canada's Bill of Rights). They know what they're doing.
With the trade war on, Quebec has been declared the good side. Whyever would you mention negative things about the good side? Are you on the bad side????
Having received warnings from the OQLF for stuff, they have always been courteous, patient and open to accommodations. Honestly, if you don't throw a hissy fit it always works out fine and any penalty is easily avoidable.
The unfortunate reality is they have to investigate every complaint even if it's spurious.
They also have cool guides on vocabulary for stuff you might only have english words for. People need to move on from 1976 lol.
The only people who stand to benefit slacking on enforcement are big American companies who want to save a tiny expense. The same who are pressuring us in current trade talks. So no, I don't accept this constant malicious framing of reasonable enforcement of the law.
It's not even that, signs have to be mainly in French. Bar a few small exceptions, the English has to take up significantly less space than the French. Their stop signs literally say "ARRÊT" instead of "STOP" because that would be too much English influence. It's incredibly fucking petty.
I'm French and live in France. Many years ago I met a girl from Quebec (Chicoutimi), and in our discussion she told me that when she arrived in France, her first night the heating was off in her flat and it was very cold. She tried to sleep in what she referred to as her "slip" (French for panties), but even though it was a Canadian slip that was very warm that she used in her cabin in Northern Canada, she was too cold to sleep.
After a good 5 minutes of thinking "that story doesn't make sense, if she's hitting on me it's too obvious and weird", she saw my confusion and asked me if I knew what she meant by "slip" (panties in French).
It turns out she was referring to her sleep, short for sleeping bag in English.
In French we use the French word "sac de couchage". The pronunciations are identical.
So both French and Québécois has a lot of borrowed word, just not the same ones.
We didn't date but became friends. One or two years after we met, with a group of friends we went to Quebec with her and stayed at her family cabin that was very far north of Chicoutimi, near a small lake, and it was breathtaking.
There was another confusion though. She referred to going on the lake on the "ponton" (pier in French from the metropole). But we saw the lake and there was no pier on it.
She was in fact referring to the kind of boat they have to chill on the lake. It was more some kind of draft : square, flat, with a lot of room to chill and no focus on going un a particular direction, which makes sense.
It looks more like a pier than a boat, it was just not on the water when she talked about it.
Ah interesting. I think that’s what we call a “pontoon” which is just a floating…platform, that you move with an oar. Well, the barrel things under it keeping it afloat are the pontoons.
Fair point I guess I should have said French from France or from the metropole? Pretty sure the term dialect can't be applied here.
In France nowadays French is a relatively homogeneous because of radio and TV, but when I was a child (40 years ago) old people in the alp valley I grew up in still used the local dialect, and it is way more difficult to understand to other French than Québécois is.
It's closer to modern Italian but still far from it.
It's pretty dead now. I only know a few sentences and child songs.
Even with radio and TV, and easier travel, there are still a lot of interesting dialects, maybe not within France itself, but Belgian French is different, so is Swiss French. Sub-Saharan African French is really interesting because it has a vocabulary that's more similar to France French, but some of the pronunciation is more different than Quebecois French. And then there's Haiti where they speak a Creole that has a lot of French-sounding words in it, but can't really be understood by French speakers.
When I played Cyberpunk 2077 and realized the voodoo boys spoke creole I was totally hyped and really wanted to join them. As the missions with them are early in the game I imagined there was a possibility to choose a gang (you can't). Because of that every time they tried to get rid of me, and you are really disposable to them, I always choose dialog lines to play it down, saying it was okay.
That made me roleplay the most naïve and dumb person of the world in a universe that really don't call for that.
Even if you're trying to go for something that the devs didn't intend to be possible, those are still memorable moments in games. I like it best when devs allow for something unusual like that, but even if they don't, a game that feels immersive enough that that might be possible is fun.
That must have been a challenge to dub. In the original Bart is speaking English, not Quebecois French. So, when Bart is speaking Quebecois French he must have really leaned into the accent to make it believable that the policeman didn't understand.
It's funny because in the original the policeman is the only character in the scene with a decent French accent. The two criminals sound absolutely horrible.
Also, they dub The Simpsons into French separately in France and Canada, and while the European French dub is content to have Homer crave «les donuts», the Québécois dub gives no quarter to creeping Anglo-Americanisation, replacing them with a French pastry
Not a big fan of hyper-nationalist culture policing. I like the malleability of American English, because we can just make shit up, and the points don't matter!
Joyeux festin, not "happy meal".
Stationnement, not "parking".
Course à pied, not "du footing".
Magasinage, not "shopping".
Téléphone intelligent, not "smartphone".
Bibliothèque is a library, librairie is a bookstore. Big difference. Bibliothèque can also refer to a bookshelf, depending on context. But you always pay for books in a librairie.
Is KFC called that in France? It’s specifically called KFC in the states and not ‘Kentucky Fried Chicken’ because the chicken is not actually from Kentucky.
Colonel Sanders was not a real Colonel, but he was in the Army. He was a cook at Fort Lewis in Washington state during WWII. To feed the massive groups of soldiers, they needed to make food faster, so they engineered up new industrial scale pressure cookers to make a huge amount of fried chicken at once. After the war he was able to get a bunch of the machines, and move back to Kentucky and start a business. The "colonel's secret recipe" was literally just using this Army surplus tech from WWII to start a bunch of chicken restaurants. My point is, really it ought to be called Washington Fried Chicken.
Brazil has more people than Portugal (213 million v 11 million). France has more population than Quebec (69 million (66 million for Metropolitan France) v 9 million)
I hear you québécois in the comments, you have French words we dont have and I do think it's great. And when I watched your TV it seemed to be mostly French.
But when I listen to podcasts it's English words in every sentence.
Same is happening I France now, but we suck at English so it doesn't sound good. "Cette chanson est un ban-guhrr"
Also everybody started using "du coup" 10 years ago.
Ainsi, donc, apres quoi, puis, car, puisque, etc... - > du coup
They literally went from an empire where the Sun never set to be relegated to an island smaller than Michigan.. and they don't even own the whole island, they have to share it with like 3ish other governments.
It was the British Empire, not the English Empire. The union was formed partially because Scotland was flat broke from failing to colonise what's now Panama and needed access to the English economy while England wanted to prevent a perennial French threat on its northern border.
Also Americans are in no position to speak about imperial decline at the moment! Iran has a nasty chance of becoming their Suez unless competent leadership is restored pretty sharpish in my view.
So a little historical context. The French originally started in both manatoba and Quebec. But over the years the French culture started dying out. To combat this .gov started to instill mandatory French language across the country and promote French culture.
have you mad the French? they're mostly very much full of themselves and won't talk to you if you dont speak French.
yes, this is a gross overgeneralization.
When I was in Southern France the people could not have been friendlier. They struck up conversations and helped with my pronunciation. I never felt put down for not speaking perfect French. I have no idea where this stereotype comes from but I didnt interact with a single meanspirited person when I was there.
It mostly comes from folks only visiting Paris and not realising those motherfuckers are worse than new-yorkers. And it is also true that generally speaking, the rate of adoption of English has been slower than comparable neighbouring countries, though that is starting to change now.
This has really changed the last 20 years or so, especially in the bigger cities. The part where they won't talk to you it you don't speak French I mean.
The most bilingual people in Canada are the people living near Ottawa or Montreal. French people from Chicoutimi are just as monolingual as English people from Edmonton.
Maybe it's because "people living near Ottawa" are actually people from Québec (Gatineau), and Montreal has a large english community that kinda forces french speaker to speak english. Doesn't change anything in that english speaker are very much better received in Québec than french speaker are elsewhere in Canada.
If we look at the last census from 2021 : https://www12.statcan.gc.ca/census-recensement/2021/as-sa/98-200-X/2021013/98-200-x2021013-eng.cfm
Non-metropolitain Québec has 30% of its population bilingual, versus 10% in non-metropolitain Canada outside Québec. Comparing Edmonton (a province capital with a million people) to Chicoutimi, a small town of 70k people is just unfair, and even then, Chicoutimiens are probably more able to speak english than Edmontoniens are to speak french.
Sure, without Montreal and Gatineau, Québec's stats would drop a bit, but would stay higher than Canada by a large margin, excluding the french part of New-Brunswick, as I said.
Maybe it’s because “people living near Ottawa” are actually people from Québec (Gatineau),
The majority of people living near Ottawa are from the Ontario side. But, bilingual schools are much more common in Ottawa because of the proximity to Quebec.
Non-metropolitain Québec has 30% of its population bilingual
Much higher than the average 9.5% in ROC.
Also, Ottawa had 36.4% of it's population bilingual in 2021. You can see that that’s very low, right? Especially for the capital of a "bilingual" country.
Meanwhile, Gatineau has 64.6%. If it doesn't make clear that Québécois are more bilingual than anglo canadians, I don't know what will. All you have to do is cross a river and bilingualism doubles.
I dont know where the hate for Quebec comes from. Yes, they want to maintain a higher level of independence but they were literally forced into the country by military force. What's your excuse, Alberta?
A friend from Kebek told me that language police showed up in her father's work once and said that everyone has to switch their Windows to French or they will be fined. It was international company and not everyone in the office spoke French...
Some other dude was fined for displaying a sign with "welcome" written in many different languages. Only signs in French are allowed.
It's not about promoting or protecting the languages. It's about discriminating and punishing people that don't conform.
"""French must be the predominant language on signs.
Under those new signage regulations, non-French company names or trademarks must be accompanied by French text twice the size, effectively forcing companies to add French descriptors or shrink English words to comply."""
Those are the latest rules. Additional languages will be punished if the French version is not sufficiently large but I think this only applies to names and trademarks, not all signs.
What I was mentioning was an older case described here: https://canliiconnects.org/en/commentaries/29658 Not sure what the final verdict was but someone was very much arguing in court that signs in many languages are illegal.
Wait, so you're actually mostly wrong about the new law and wrong about the old case I had in mind. So you're kind of mostly wrong.
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jqubed@lemmy.world · 79 pts · 1d
Stop signs in France say “STOP” but in Quebec they say “ARRÊT”
inari@piefed.zip · 45 pts · 1d
They also translate "parking" as "stationnement" and "weekend" as "fin de semaine" while the French just lamely use the English words
NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io · 20 pts · 1d
I like to dunk on Quebec as much as the next guy but that's actually based.
Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it · 3 pts · 1d
nullify3112@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 18h
Fin de semaine in France means end of the work week (Thursday Friday) whereas fin de semaine in Quebec means weekend.
BlindPenguin@lemmy.world · 37 pts · 1d
That's because France is part of the Vienna Convention on Road Signs and Signals
libewa@feddit.org · 3 pts · 1d
The Vienna Convention allows you to use either STOP or your native version. Likewise, you can either use a red octagonal sign, or a red upside-down triangle inside a red circle. https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bildtafel_der_Stoppschilder (that list only seems to exist in German Wikipedia)
PieMePlenty@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 16h
What? I thought the point of the octagon was so you can also tell its a stop sign from the other side and always know who has priority. Yet some countries say, nah circle is good. Speed limit? Circle. Stop? Circle.
Deconceptualist@leminal.space · 11 pts · 1d
I think it has spilled into the rest of Canada too. I just spent a week in Alberta and every little thing that said "stop" also said "arrêt". But the only obvious French speakers I encountered were either tourists or government officials being intentionally accommodating.
On a more serious note I think Canadian bilingualism might exaggerate this effect. Every sign and product package is printed in both languages so in a way or makes sense to spell things out in full English and full French. i.e. It would be kinda weird to print English alongside some kind of nonstandard Franglish.
LordPassionFruit@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 1d
Packaging having both languages on it is a federal level legal requirement, since we are bilingual. However, the stop signs are more a regional thing. If there is a francophone population in the area, and you're not in Quebec, you might see both on a sign. In my home province, we have the dual language signs wherever the French speaking population is large enough to warrant it, but everywhere else has English only.
Deconceptualist@leminal.space · 2 pts · 4h
Yes that was my understanding. That's precisely why I shared my experience in Alberta, where I did not expect any substantial francophone population. Maybe that assumption was just wrong?
LordPassionFruit@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 3h
In general, I'd say you're right that Alberta wouldn't have a large population of francophones. But, especially in anglophone provinces, French speakers tend to live in French communities.
Like in my province, you could carve out ~80% of the land and have about 97% English speakers to 3% French speakers. But the remaining 20% is nearly 90% French speakers.
TeaWithDani@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 9h
In Eastern Ontario you'll see these signs along the highway that spell some safety message. They'll have sometimes 2 or 3 in a row to fully tell you the thing in english. Then you'll get the same signs again explaining it in french.
TeaWithDani@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 8h
And you can tell where someone is from in Quebec with how they pronounce "ARRÊT"
dalekcaan@feddit.nl · 62 pts · 1d
Common sense:
Surely no one could be more up their own ass about being French than the French.
Quebec, for some reason:
cheat700000007@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 1d
Tabernac!
5765313496@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 1d
Did you mean for this to resemble a polar bear up its own ass, or was that just lucky coincidence? Either way, it's a perfect use of the meme.
dalekcaan@feddit.nl · 5 pts · 1d
Honestly, lucky coincidence. I just thought it was funny the bear was speaking French.
TabbsTheBat@pawb.social · 45 pts · 1d
I think we should translate all the fast food place names to the local language :3 this will help nobody or serve any purpose
FluidBeef@quokk.au · 37 pts · 1d
G’day
AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space · 6 pts · 1d
In France, they call it le Macdoh
Leviathan@fedinsfw.app · 4 pts · 1d
In Quebec too, around here we pronounce it more like Mecdoh, but same-same.
remon@ani.social · 3 pts · 1d
But how do you order a quarter pounder?
Ariselas@piefed.ca · 8 pts · 1d
1.13 Decagramer
jballs@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 1d
M137@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 1d
It'd be "Donken" in Sweden.
JasonDJ@lemmy.zip · 12 pts · 1d
I've traveled the world and can highly recommend the Giardino degli Ulivi in downtown Tuscany. Best grissini I've ever had.
idiomaddict@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 1d
You joke, but I had a bunch of (northern) Italians recommend Pizza Hut to me. To be entirely fair, it was in Germany and it’s better there than in the USA, but it’s still not good pizza.
DagwoodIII@piefed.social · 4 pts · 1d
https://www.joeandpatsny.com/
Family owned pizza parlor in NYC's most Italian borough. Wins awards on a regular basis.
There's a frigging Domino's across the street???!!!
Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it · 3 pts · 1d
northern Italians, explains everthing /hj
NotSteve_@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 1d
As someone who is within a ten minute walk from Québec, that's Québec!
FurryMemesAccount@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 5 pts · 1d
It will make them sound ridiculous(er) and help all of our healths
TabbsTheBat@pawb.social · 3 pts · 1d
I'd say it depends on the restaurant tbh :3 some I think sound nicer in my native language, but some are airing really close to unfortunate naming
unknownuserunknownlocation@kbin.earth · 38 pts · 1d
It's funny from afar, but not fun to be in. They have what essentially amounts to a language police that enforces absurd and IMO human rights infringing laws. They regularly land in the news for things like threatening to fine a restaurant for using the word "pasta" on their menus.
NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io · 8 pts · 1d
Related "fun" fact: Quebec is the most prolific user of the Notwithstanding Clause, which allows the Parliament of Canada or any province or territory thereof to "temporarily" override parts of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms (essentially Canada's Bill of Rights). They know what they're doing.
unknownuserunknownlocation@kbin.earth · 3 pts · 1d
I'm not sure why you're getting all the downvotes, you're absolutely right.
NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io · 2 pts · 1d
It's natural to have many enemies with a career as long as mine.
(I have no idea.)
Godric@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1d
With the trade war on, Quebec has been declared the good side. Whyever would you mention negative things about the good side? Are you on the bad side????
Downvote deployed, take that, evildoer!
-AverageLemming, apparently
TeaWithDani@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 9h
Having received warnings from the OQLF for stuff, they have always been courteous, patient and open to accommodations. Honestly, if you don't throw a hissy fit it always works out fine and any penalty is easily avoidable.
The unfortunate reality is they have to investigate every complaint even if it's spurious.
They also have cool guides on vocabulary for stuff you might only have english words for. People need to move on from 1976 lol.
The only people who stand to benefit slacking on enforcement are big American companies who want to save a tiny expense. The same who are pressuring us in current trade talks. So no, I don't accept this constant malicious framing of reasonable enforcement of the law.
socsa@piefed.social · 1 pts · 1d
I am legitimately curious what portion of the municipal budget is spent on having every fucking sign in two languages.
I am quite conflicted about it. On one hand, it's kind of hilarious. But it's also extremely tryhard and tedious.
unknownuserunknownlocation@kbin.earth · 0 pts · 1d
It's not even that, signs have to be mainly in French. Bar a few small exceptions, the English has to take up significantly less space than the French. Their stop signs literally say "ARRÊT" instead of "STOP" because that would be too much English influence. It's incredibly fucking petty.
Kaput@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 11h
Nom shit There s a great documentary about it. https://youtu.be/M1p52z6XEmI
ebc@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 6h
Human Rights infringing?!? Everything all right up there on your kilometer-high horse?
SailorMoss@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 3h
I think you mean "kilomètre". That'll be a CA$1000 fine for your infraction.
Sirius006@sh.itjust.works · 30 pts · 1d
Okay, (funny) story time.
I'm French and live in France. Many years ago I met a girl from Quebec (Chicoutimi), and in our discussion she told me that when she arrived in France, her first night the heating was off in her flat and it was very cold. She tried to sleep in what she referred to as her "slip" (French for panties), but even though it was a Canadian slip that was very warm that she used in her cabin in Northern Canada, she was too cold to sleep.
After a good 5 minutes of thinking "that story doesn't make sense, if she's hitting on me it's too obvious and weird", she saw my confusion and asked me if I knew what she meant by "slip" (panties in French).
It turns out she was referring to her sleep, short for sleeping bag in English. In French we use the French word "sac de couchage". The pronunciations are identical.
So both French and Québécois has a lot of borrowed word, just not the same ones.
gmtom@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 1d
Love the idea of extra warm Canadian panties
Obi@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 16h
Yeah I was already picturing the fur.
Imhotep@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 13h
Mmhhhh
fox2263@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 1d
Ha I enjoyed that tale. What happened after?
Sirius006@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 16h
We didn't date but became friends. One or two years after we met, with a group of friends we went to Quebec with her and stayed at her family cabin that was very far north of Chicoutimi, near a small lake, and it was breathtaking.
There was another confusion though. She referred to going on the lake on the "ponton" (pier in French from the metropole). But we saw the lake and there was no pier on it. She was in fact referring to the kind of boat they have to chill on the lake. It was more some kind of draft : square, flat, with a lot of room to chill and no focus on going un a particular direction, which makes sense. It looks more like a pier than a boat, it was just not on the water when she talked about it.
fox2263@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 16h
Ah interesting. I think that’s what we call a “pontoon” which is just a floating…platform, that you move with an oar. Well, the barrel things under it keeping it afloat are the pontoons.
Languages. Funny things.
kestrel7_7@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 7h
A pontoon has two hulls (stacks of barrels). If it has three, it's a tri-toon 🤓
fox2263@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 7h
How deep can this language hole take us!
MrScruff@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 16h
We call them pontoon boats in English.
pedz@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 19h
Je suis du sud du Québec et je l'aurais pas compris. J'ai jamais entendu sleep de ma vie pour désigner un sac de couchage.
ebc@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 7h
Je suis du sud du Québec et j'ai toujours entendu ça... C'est pas juste au Saguenay, en tout cas.
pedz@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 6h
J'ai entendu "sleeping" très souvent, mais pas juste "sleep". J'aurais été confus moi aussi.
Le monde est bizarre. Comme ceux qui disent coton ouaté pour désigner un kangourou. /s
wieson@feddit.org · 2 pts · 2h
Tu parles d'un bunnyhug? J'ai encontré ce mot en Saskatcheouane
pedz@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 2h
Ouais, un chandail à capuche!
Smoogs@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 9h
pourquoi?
merc@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 1d
I like how you think your language is "French" and hers isn't.
Sirius006@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 16h
Fair point I guess I should have said French from France or from the metropole? Pretty sure the term dialect can't be applied here.
In France nowadays French is a relatively homogeneous because of radio and TV, but when I was a child (40 years ago) old people in the alp valley I grew up in still used the local dialect, and it is way more difficult to understand to other French than Québécois is. It's closer to modern Italian but still far from it.
It's pretty dead now. I only know a few sentences and child songs.
merc@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 4h
Even with radio and TV, and easier travel, there are still a lot of interesting dialects, maybe not within France itself, but Belgian French is different, so is Swiss French. Sub-Saharan African French is really interesting because it has a vocabulary that's more similar to France French, but some of the pronunciation is more different than Quebecois French. And then there's Haiti where they speak a Creole that has a lot of French-sounding words in it, but can't really be understood by French speakers.
Sirius006@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 2h
When I played Cyberpunk 2077 and realized the voodoo boys spoke creole I was totally hyped and really wanted to join them. As the missions with them are early in the game I imagined there was a possibility to choose a gang (you can't). Because of that every time they tried to get rid of me, and you are really disposable to them, I always choose dialog lines to play it down, saying it was okay.
That made me roleplay the most naïve and dumb person of the world in a universe that really don't call for that.
merc@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 19m
Even if you're trying to go for something that the devs didn't intend to be possible, those are still memorable moments in games. I like it best when devs allow for something unusual like that, but even if they don't, a game that feels immersive enough that that might be possible is fun.
kestrel7_7@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 8h
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQKDSaeeGes
merc@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 3h
That must have been a challenge to dub. In the original Bart is speaking English, not Quebecois French. So, when Bart is speaking Quebecois French he must have really leaned into the accent to make it believable that the policeman didn't understand.
Here's the original for comparison:
https://youtu.be/EUSGPubsxcM?t=93
It's funny because in the original the policeman is the only character in the scene with a decent French accent. The two criminals sound absolutely horrible.
Kaput@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 11h
Slip from slipinne bague. Did you at some point offer her to meet your "gosses"
Sirius006@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 2h
I didn't get the part about gosses?
socsa@piefed.social · 1 pts · 1d
Great, now I'm imagining a warm French slip.
Kaput@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 11h
Combines à grand-manches
AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space · 26 pts · 1d
Also, they dub The Simpsons into French separately in France and Canada, and while the European French dub is content to have Homer crave «les donuts», the Québécois dub gives no quarter to creeping Anglo-Americanisation, replacing them with a French pastry
ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online · 11 pts · 1d
Les beignes!
Godric@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1d
Not a big fan of hyper-nationalist culture policing. I like the malleability of American English, because we can just make shit up, and the points don't matter!
JcbAzPx@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1d
English is already three or four languages fighting in a trench coat. So it's not hard to add new ones to the melee mix.
Routhinator@startrek.website · 2 pts · 22h
So they actually spell it "donut" and not "doughnut"?
NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io · 2 pts · 14h
I mean presumably they don't spell it as anything because it's a dub.
brathoven@feddit.org · 22 pts · 15h
That's very interesting but eastern Germany appearing on maps again worries me.
MrMakabar@slrpnk.net · 2 pts · 11h
It is the price for peace on the Balkans. Yugoslavia is united again after all. So is Czechoslovakia.
nodiratime@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 10h
As a west german: We should (re-)build the wall and make the Ossis pay for it.
mobyduck648@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 8h
I read that as make Oasis pay for it, not a bad idea because after all, it'd be a wonderwall.
ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online · 17 pts · 1d
And it is fin de semaine and not 'weekend', too.
Bonsoir@lemmy.ca · 9 pts · 1d
Joyeux festin, not "happy meal".
Stationnement, not "parking".
Course à pied, not "du footing".
Magasinage, not "shopping".
Téléphone intelligent, not "smartphone".
northernlights@lemmy.today · 9 pts · 1d
And yet Quebecois will stop you in the street and say "t'as une smoke ?"
ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online · 6 pts · 1d
Parce-que il a un flat tire...
northernlights@lemmy.today · 5 pts · 1d
Ouais c'était pas fun
ebc@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 7h
On dit juste "j'ai un flat". On sait tout de suite que tu parles d'un pneu.
PlaidBaron@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 1d
Du footing?
Bonsoir@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 1d
My last flatmate said that. Took me some explanation to understand what he meant. So he had to explain to me what "running" is. Fun time.
PlaidBaron@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1d
Ngl the Quebecois one makes way more sense to me.
mat@jlai.lu · 3 pts · 1d
Ordiphone, actually but it comes from one of the most shittiest french administration
Bonsoir@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 1d
https://vitrinelinguistique.oqlf.gouv.qc.ca/fiche-gdt/fiche/8360216/telephone-intelligent
Looks like ordiphone is accepted, but I honestly never heard that. Everybody simply calls that a "téléphone" in Québec, and advertisements usually use "téléphone intelligent".
mat@jlai.lu · 2 pts · 1d
Yeah, I guess. I learnt it in a project subject during college, frow a teacher insisting that it's a bibliothèque and not a librairie for a .so
ebc@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 7h
Bibliothèque is a library, librairie is a bookstore. Big difference. Bibliothèque can also refer to a bookshelf, depending on context. But you always pay for books in a librairie.
mat@jlai.lu · 1 pts · 5h
I agree, but for a .so on linux, librairie comes from liabrary and does not hurt
athatet@lemmy.zip · 11 pts · 1d
Is KFC called that in France? It’s specifically called KFC in the states and not ‘Kentucky Fried Chicken’ because the chicken is not actually from Kentucky.
_stranger_@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 1d
Correct, outside Kentucky it's just "Glistening Fried Poultry"
Doc_Crankenstein@slrpnk.net · 9 pts · 1d
The cooking style is "Kentucky Fried" not that the chickens are from Kentucky.
Uruanna@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1d
Yeah, it's just the logo, no one uses the full name.
kestrel7_7@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 7h
Colonel Sanders was not a real Colonel, but he was in the Army. He was a cook at Fort Lewis in Washington state during WWII. To feed the massive groups of soldiers, they needed to make food faster, so they engineered up new industrial scale pressure cookers to make a huge amount of fried chicken at once. After the war he was able to get a bunch of the machines, and move back to Kentucky and start a business. The "colonel's secret recipe" was literally just using this Army surplus tech from WWII to start a bunch of chicken restaurants. My point is, really it ought to be called Washington Fried Chicken.
ironhydroxide@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 3h
Wasn't the first KFC in Utah though?
socsa@piefed.social · 11 pts · 1d
Duolingo only has Brazilian Portuguese
Goodlucksil@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 7 pts · 1d
Brazil has more people than Portugal (213 million v 11 million). France has more population than Quebec (69 million (66 million for Metropolitan France) v 9 million)
Imhotep@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 13h
I hear you québécois in the comments, you have French words we dont have and I do think it's great. And when I watched your TV it seemed to be mostly French.
But when I listen to podcasts it's English words in every sentence.
Same is happening I France now, but we suck at English so it doesn't sound good. "Cette chanson est un ban-guhrr"
Also everybody started using "du coup" 10 years ago. Ainsi, donc, apres quoi, puis, car, puisque, etc... - > du coup
danhab99@programming.dev · 8 pts · 1d
Fun fact did you know that most French speakers are not French themselves?
The average French speaker is from one of France's old African colonies.
Imagine losing your national identity to the people you oppressed and they don't care about having it.
LodeMike@lemmy.today · 17 pts · 1d
99% of English speakers aren't English. Same thing with Spanish.
danhab99@programming.dev · 4 pts · 1d
They literally went from an empire where the Sun never set to be relegated to an island smaller than Michigan.. and they don't even own the whole island, they have to share it with like 3ish other governments.
mobyduck648@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 8h
It was the British Empire, not the English Empire. The union was formed partially because Scotland was flat broke from failing to colonise what's now Panama and needed access to the English economy while England wanted to prevent a perennial French threat on its northern border.
Also Americans are in no position to speak about imperial decline at the moment! Iran has a nasty chance of becoming their Suez unless competent leadership is restored pretty sharpish in my view.
MrScottyTay@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 16h
The empire was British, not English, so those other countries that the English "share" the island with were a part of that.
Tiger666@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 1d
What?
MithranArkanere@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 6h
The most realistic possible future of the French language can be seen in shows like Star Trek and Futurama.
BaraCoded@literature.cafe · 3 pts · 1d
"Gravis une marche dans ton jeu, France."
NGC2346@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 7h
On niaise pas avec le francais chez nous, tokebekicitte.
anarchy79@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 5h
Tabernacle!
beejboytyson@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 6h
So a little historical context. The French originally started in both manatoba and Quebec. But over the years the French culture started dying out. To combat this .gov started to instill mandatory French language across the country and promote French culture.
anarchy79@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 5h
I'd say they originally started out in France, but I don't know much about history.
beejboytyson@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 5h
Nope, french caandians started in NA.
anarchy79@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 3h
Is this a Mormon thing?
SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org · 2 pts · 18h
Imagine being less likeable than the French and by choice as well.
Imhotep@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 13h
décomplexé
Delphon@discuss.tchncs.de · 1 pts · 1d
Quite the old map u got there!
betanumerus@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 5h
In France, the French language is not threatened, so they can afford to incorporate some English words.
In Quebec, the French language is constantly under threat from all sides, so they make efforts to stop the flow.
This isn't rocket science folks. Nothing is more normal than protecting your own turf.
whaleross@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1d
Quebec is expatriate France
dreadbeef@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 1d
Smoogs@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 9h
stickly@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 1d
Is that PFK thing true? That's dumb af.
"My last car was a Fertile Rice Patty but I'm really looking at Modernity"
Goodlucksil@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 1d
Tiger666@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 1d
Vous etes un idiot!
EmptyAsparagus@piefed.social · -2 pts · 1d
have you mad the French? they're mostly very much full of themselves and won't talk to you if you dont speak French. yes, this is a gross overgeneralization.
PlaidBaron@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 1d
When I was in Southern France the people could not have been friendlier. They struck up conversations and helped with my pronunciation. I never felt put down for not speaking perfect French. I have no idea where this stereotype comes from but I didnt interact with a single meanspirited person when I was there.
funksoulkitchen@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 23h
I asked for directions in broken French and the guy answered me but spoke slowly and clearly. Then asked me in English if I understood him
Obi@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 16h
It mostly comes from folks only visiting Paris and not realising those motherfuckers are worse than new-yorkers. And it is also true that generally speaking, the rate of adoption of English has been slower than comparable neighbouring countries, though that is starting to change now.
EmptyAsparagus@piefed.social · 2 pts · 18h
yeah I think they mostly care about people trying.
huppakee@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1d
This has really changed the last 20 years or so, especially in the bigger cities. The part where they won't talk to you it you don't speak French I mean.
Bluescluestoothpaste@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 1d
That's not a gross overgeneralization of Quebecquers tho
PlaidBaron@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 1d
Try speaking English in Quebec and you might get resistance but at least they know English.
Try speaking French in English Canada and nobody even bothered to learn the language. Hell, half of Canada barely speaks English properly.
Bonsoir@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 1d
Québécois are the most bilingual people in Canada, besides french New-Brunswickois.
merc@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 1d
The most bilingual people in Canada are the people living near Ottawa or Montreal. French people from Chicoutimi are just as monolingual as English people from Edmonton.
Bonsoir@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 20h
Maybe it's because "people living near Ottawa" are actually people from Québec (Gatineau), and Montreal has a large english community that kinda forces french speaker to speak english. Doesn't change anything in that english speaker are very much better received in Québec than french speaker are elsewhere in Canada.
If we look at the last census from 2021 : https://www12.statcan.gc.ca/census-recensement/2021/as-sa/98-200-X/2021013/98-200-x2021013-eng.cfm
Non-metropolitain Québec has 30% of its population bilingual, versus 10% in non-metropolitain Canada outside Québec. Comparing Edmonton (a province capital with a million people) to Chicoutimi, a small town of 70k people is just unfair, and even then, Chicoutimiens are probably more able to speak english than Edmontoniens are to speak french.
Sure, without Montreal and Gatineau, Québec's stats would drop a bit, but would stay higher than Canada by a large margin, excluding the french part of New-Brunswick, as I said.
Obi@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 16h
Gatineau mentioned 🍁🍁🍁
merc@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 19h
The majority of people living near Ottawa are from the Ontario side. But, bilingual schools are much more common in Ottawa because of the proximity to Quebec.
You can see that that's very low, right?
Bonsoir@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 19h
Much higher than the average 9.5% in ROC.
Also, Ottawa had 36.4% of it's population bilingual in 2021. You can see that that’s very low, right? Especially for the capital of a "bilingual" country.
Meanwhile, Gatineau has 64.6%. If it doesn't make clear that Québécois are more bilingual than anglo canadians, I don't know what will. All you have to do is cross a river and bilingualism doubles.
PlaidBaron@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1d
I lived in NB for awhile. Costco was a cacophony of English, Français, and Mi'kmaq.
ParlimentOfDoom@piefed.zip · -1 pts · 1d
Yeah but Quebecquers != Quebecois
shitlord@sh.itjust.works · -2 pts · 8h
Damn, didn't expect this place to be this hostile to French Canadians. I guess it's not much of an improvement over Reddit afterall.
ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 6h
Anglo Canada loves you.
beejboytyson@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 6h
Right? The French hate us, they were the original separatist
anarchy79@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 5h
You can't separate separatists! Thing is separate me once, can't separate me again.
Thor_Whale@lemmus.org · 1 pts · 1h
anarchy79@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 5h
My hate for the French is my only gripe with Reddit.
spacegoat@lemmy.world · -5 pts · 1d
I’m pretty sure Quebecosis is a disease
PlaidBaron@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 1d
I dont know where the hate for Quebec comes from. Yes, they want to maintain a higher level of independence but they were literally forced into the country by military force. What's your excuse, Alberta?
cheat700000007@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 1d
Plus it's cool and interesting to have areas that have their own culture, and not just Americanization. Like Alberta
spacegoat@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1d
It has nothing to do with Quebec. It was a joke about -cois and -osis
merc@sh.itjust.works · -1 pts · 1d
Their ancient ancestors lost a war. And, in a move that was unusual at the time, were allowed to keep their language and culture. That made them mad.
ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net · -8 pts · 14h
A friend from Kebek told me that language police showed up in her father's work once and said that everyone has to switch their Windows to French or they will be fined. It was international company and not everyone in the office spoke French...
Some other dude was fined for displaying a sign with "welcome" written in many different languages. Only signs in French are allowed.
It's not about promoting or protecting the languages. It's about discriminating and punishing people that don't conform.
0x0@lemmy.zip · 7 pts · 11h
What are you FUDing about?
Quebec requires both English and French displayed but won't punish other additional languages.
ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net · 1 pts · 11h
Well, you're kind of right but only kind of.
"""French must be the predominant language on signs.
Under those new signage regulations, non-French company names or trademarks must be accompanied by French text twice the size, effectively forcing companies to add French descriptors or shrink English words to comply."""
Those are the latest rules. Additional languages will be punished if the French version is not sufficiently large but I think this only applies to names and trademarks, not all signs.
What I was mentioning was an older case described here: https://canliiconnects.org/en/commentaries/29658 Not sure what the final verdict was but someone was very much arguing in court that signs in many languages are illegal.
Wait, so you're actually mostly wrong about the new law and wrong about the old case I had in mind. So you're kind of mostly wrong.