On the other hand, look at the history of presidents and their parties. It ALWAYS swaps parties unless there is a particularly popular vice president. Literally, back to Washington.
The US isn’t like Japan where the LDP wins consecutive elections for decades on end.
The republican candidate was GOING to win in 2016.
We are now in a time of chaos. I feel Dems will probably sweep the midterms and maybe win in 2028, but it’s unclear. We’ve only had one nonconsecutive president before.
Remember when the Supreme Court interfered in the presidential election because of hanging chads and effectively kept Gore from winning, thus leading somehow to the death of Harambe and bringing us to the bad place dimension where everything always gets worse and almost always in the worst way possible?
Yeah.. like you said, history likes to repeat itself.
Not really though, post civil war there was a 40 year pause where no democrats were president iirc until Wilson won due to Teddy Roosevelt splitting the vote
This is the shit that is put out there to keep people from being involved in politics because "why bother if both sides are the same?" and to deflect blame from the fact that the right is objectively worse in every fucking way. The Democratic party has a lot of problems and is in need of of a huge pull to the left, but it is better than the alternative. Dismissing it this way solves nothing.
Well we could always keep doing like the past dozen decades and endlessly have the population flopping back and forth between two parties and always pissed and screwed but never doing anything real about it other than "you have to vote guys. That will fix everything". The system is corrupted. Voting isn't going to fix it.
Nominees don't matter anymore. They won't let anyone who will make a meaningful difference in. If someone meaningful gets in, they'll be blocked from making any changes.
we lack the pitchforks and the will to do jack all about anything.
Right. Standing up there and yelling "there's that f__ talk again!" as some kind of response, ala Idiocracy would be a huge selling point for the Tribe That Rub Shit In Their Hair. The pig people loooove that kind of stuff - they are intimidated by competency, expertise and people that are smarter than them. An idiot like donnie or Petey are their idea of "common sense" politicians.
That, combined with enough of the apathetic staying home as well as the armchair "leftists" that love to tell everyone how it is useless to vote, (at least to actually vote for a candidate that can actually win) and you'll get Petey in office...
You guys laugh, but there seems to be enough wannabe-macho small-penis dudebro idiot voters that could get the loser elected. Do not assume it won't happen.
I'm not from the USA, neither an English native speaker, but is Peter Hegseth in any way charismatic?
I find Trump totally repulsive, however I can understand his "charism" that attracts people to vote for him when he's there mumbling his rampts and narcistic histories.
So far, since 2025, that I can remember, anytime I saw any video of Peter Hegseth speaking he seems to have the same charism as a door.
This, would, of course, be important for a presidential candidate If there is any "democracy" left during the election time, since Trump's popularity is decreasing, his government does not seem too promising on having "good results" to show when the election time comes, therefore the transfer of charism and therefore votes that Trump would be able to execute would be limited, and the new candidate would have to work on his own.
Given the current state of affairs, as an external observator and not too familiar with USA real politics dynamics, I find it's easier for Trump and republicans to continue the rampamt breaking of laws and just really push for a 3rd term, as he's been publicly "teasing" since his 2024 campaign...
P.S.: Just to finish up, there's also the fact that Trump is old as f*, and seems to be becoming more senile by the minute (i.e.: his almost at the age his dad was diagnoses with dementia iirc), so maybe the thing is they would just be forced to move on from him and the "3rd term" thing would really just not come to fruition due to bad timing (Trump going full demented, dying, etc...). Or maybe if his popularity keeps going down, who knows if the democracts can obtain any majority in the midterm elections and put up an impeachment on both houses this time, this would also chance the outlook of things and force the republicans to choose a new candidate sooner than later.
The only thing hegseth has going for him is his 'TV look' and willingness to eat shit if it owns the libs (our conservatives have no shame, and love embarrassing themselves to get a reaction from 'the left')
He’s not charismatic, he just spouts hateful fascist ideology that hateful fascists crave.
None of these guys are. Elon “Nazi Salute” Musk, Rupert Murdoch, Zuckerberg, Thiel, Bannon, Bezos, and the entirety of Trump’s cabinet. They are social idiots and have zero charisma.
I’m not from the USA, neither an English native speaker, but is Peter Hegseth in any way charismatic?
Not at all. Even the military personnel I've spoken with think he's an absolute moron with no charisma or leadership ability. Officers who are ardently non-partisan have made semi-public remarks that have been critical.
In the sense of making me want to punch him in the face, yes.
I find Trump totally repulsive
Likewise. I had to be streetwise to survive when I was young, and I can spot a wrong 'un from a mile away. Everything about Trump sets my red warning light blinking.
But Trump's character and appearance and Hegseth's bellowing imbecility function like the typos in a 419 scam email. The gullible and oblivious ignore the warning signs.
Yes, pretty sure Hillary's campaign financed some stuff to specifically highlight Trump bcz they thought they'd steam roll him in the general election.
There’s still merit to what you said. Trump is a convicted felon. That alone he should have been impeached and removed but they let it slide. If they let that go who’s to say they don’t let other stuff go too.
We all thought the current president was going to lose in 2016 when he was dicking up the republican primaries. Don't discount these hacks. RFK would be the strongest challenger if not for his speech impediment, how is he going to run a nazi rally with that voice?
I just have a hard time believing they can keep him both alive and sufficiently lucid enough to be viable for 2028. He's struggling to hold it together through an entire Nazi rally now.
Sanity and competence are not requirements. As long as he's hurting the right's designated scapegoats du jour, they'll support him even if he's no more than an amorphous blob of protoplasm in a jar.
That’s gonna be a hard sell to a lot of people. I’m moderate and I wouldn’t vote for either one of these dudes. They need to pick someone sane? Or is the insanity the selling point, and I’m just out of touch?
Yes, why would you vote for a politician who is just going to line their pockets when you can vote for a lunatic that says it's okay to say slurs who is just going to line his pockets? I mean, what's life if you can't say slurs to people? Other people in my trailer park need to know they're lesser than me and Nancy Pelosi stock trades gender fluids transmission imported beef participation trophies nobody legal wants to work and all the illegals are not working and taking all the jobs and welfare for $9 lattes avocado toast. I will either hang myself from my F350s lifted trailer hitch or vote for Trump. What's it going to be, liberal?
I still laugh when someone watching him doing his manly macho bigly boy warrior ethos "exercise" and they shouted "all the way down, all the way UP!", LOOOOoooool.
I wonder if they kept their job or if they could cover and say they were directing that at others there out of shot.
Anyway, I remember coaches and gym teachers that would STOP COUNTING when counting reps and you did bad form. Whoever was counting for little Petey here should have done that. He was not doing anything useful here. I think I counted two actual reps out of the supposed 40-something, LOL.
Haha, yeah, makes sense. That's what I've heard from people in the military. They should have done that for little Petey there.
I wish the guy yelling "all the way down, all the way up!" had added - "this means YOU, Pete!" 🤣
Forgot to add: it would always make me laugh when they stalled the counting, and it made doing things even harder when coaches or teachers would do this. 😂
Oh fuck, I need to keep my wallet closed. Last time a person who obviously cannot get elected became the GOP candidate, I bet a lot of money against his win. :(
Fortunately, I did the same 4 years earlier when the same happened :)
He got us involved in an extremely dumb and pointless war and lost. If that doesn't scream prime Republican presidential nominee material; I don't know what does.
If I was a bettin' man he'd be on my 2028 shortlist.
Assuming we do have free elections at the time, nah. MAGA has been whittled down to about one-third of the voting bloc. They’ll get decimated by populist progressives. Establishment Dems will also get wrecked in the primaries.
Hegseth isn't Trump. MAGA is a classic Cult of Personality, and it is ALL about Trump. Once he assumes room temperature, MAGA is finished.
Some of his followers, especially the politicians, will try to keep it going, but 90% of street level MAGAs were on board because of Trump, and once he's gone, their interest in politics will wane. None of his henchmen or children will be acceptable, even though there will be many who will claim to be his chosen, or logical, successor, but NONE of them will attract the Trumper.
Besides, MAGA is down to less than 30%. It will be far lower after Trump croaks. Even if they could rally around a MAGA candidate, there won't be the support. And of all the MAGA figures, the guy that helped Trump break his America First promise definitely won't be the guy. Neither will Vance. Rubio has the only shot, because he still has non-MAGA creds, but he will also be tainted with MAGA, so it won't work.
Did someone convince him that he can just command everyone in the armed forces to vote for him? Then again, he does have the Fox News crowd locked down. No matter how bad he is at his job, they'll vote him over any liberal.
American politics is so fucking whack, but I'm still gonna say he has no chance and if I get egg on my face I get egg on my face.
Big part of how Trump one was playing both sides with the tough guy act but also lying that he'd stay out of foreign entanglements. Hegseth is pure tough guy act, and also started and lost a war with Iran, so he has absolutely no ability to court the libertarian/isolationist-minded people on the right who felt burned by Bush. It seems like he's just delusional and has bought into his own propaganda.
Right but imagine you are a hardcore MAGA supporter and found that Trump won't be running for a 3ed term, where can you find someone shittier than Pete to elect?
You can't win with just that one type of guy, is what I'm saying. There's the macho nationalist type of guy on the right, absolutely, but there's also the libertarian type that's generally "anti-war" on the basis that war is the government doing stuff and the government doing stuff is always bad.
In 2000, Bush ran as being more isolationist than Gore and staying out of foreign conflicts (after the failure in Vietnam, nobody wanted to be associated with that), then as soon as he got ahold of power started and lost pointless wars of aggression. So then Bush became unpopular on the right and Trump ran as an "anti-establishment" type (after the failure in Afghanistan, nobody wanted to be associated with that) claiming to be a "peace" candidate, and he won, and as soon as he got access to the levers of power he started bombing Syria but nobody really noticed or cared for some reason so then he just repeated the same lies and got into power again and immediately went and bombed Iran, and going forward nobody's gonna want to be associated with that.
There's plenty of figures that are positioning themselves to step into that role next, like MTG, Tucker Carlson, and Tulsi Gabbard. The sorts of people who bought into Trump being a peace candidate are dumb as rocks and lack basic pattern recognition so they will absolutely just keep falling for the same trick over and over again. But they do need to be tricked and lied to for the right to have a winning coalition.
It is kinda exciting on some level, like, say Tucker Carlson got his hands on the levers of power, he'd obviously start another war of aggression somewhere, but who really knows where it'd be? And when that war proves to be a hopeless debacle, who will be the one on the right to say that, unlike Tucker who just loves getting into pointless destructive conflicts (who could've predicted it?), they actually... you know what, I can't do this, it's not exciting, it's literally just rebooting the same plotline over and over, and I'm gonna be forced to watch it until I'm dead in the ground.
Point being, my prediction is that the Republican nominee will either be someone who has some pretense of being able to distance themself from the Iran War, or they will lose.
Hegseth can easily be painted as a weirdo diva little bitch. Talks a lot of shit about manliness but had his very own makeup room installed in the Pentagon, he looks like an uncoordinated wimp when he exercises, he brags about realism and "lethality" but performed like an inept weakling against Iran.
He's also a known wife beater and former alcoholic which makes him look like even more of a pansy. Dude can beat on women but not our enemies.
He's extremely unpopular in the military and isn't taken seriously there either. It took him 20 years to reach major, that's beyond pathetic, and he was never more than a platoon leader.
A competent Dem would portrait him as a loser manlet and it would work.
Yes and no. Open borders and international trade are consistent with libertarianism, but fighting a bunch of expensive foreign wars isn't. Libertarians are in a position of having to make compromises for a lesser evil, and no Democratic presidential nominee has ever made an attempt to appeal to them at all. Like, Harris never met a war she didn't like and the way she tried to appeal to the right was campaigning with Dick Cheney, who everyone outside of diehard neocons hates.
Having said that, yes, libertarian-minded people tend to have mixed up priorities and often have major blind spots regarding the GOP. They are blinded by principles and idealism, while ignoring the actual facts on the ground and being horrible judges of character. At the same time, if there is any faction on the right that's actually worth trying to appeal to, it's probably them, because they have some reasons to have tension with the GOP. It's certainly not worth trying to appeal to the bloodthirsty neocons and fascists who are perfectly satisfied and getting exactly what they want.
Anyone who gets too much attention for running for the Republican party after Trump's mandate is going to be pushed aside by him. Trump gives zero fucks about what happens to the party after he's gone and he hates when the spotlight isn't on him.
Nah, prez won't run again, his mind is gone, and the county is not corrupted enough to accept such a blatant violation of the constitution.
More than that, he's already lost his mind. He's a fucking vegetable. While that's good for the super rich, it won't play in 2028. No, his bitch ass will step down.
It is not about fidelity to the constitution, it's about the right killing the republic. Maybe you should pick up a drink if you don't even realize that. Cheers motherfucker!
The difference between Trump and Pete the drunk is for all Trumps faults, he is a charismatic speaker (threw up in my mouth a little saying a nice thing about him)
I've never understood why people think that. Most of what comes out of his mouth makes absolutely no sense. If I was to act completely impartial, and forget everything I know about the monster, listening to him wouldn't make me think "What a charismatic guy". He sounds like he's 2 brain cells away from having a stroke.
Yeah I don't understand it at all. Dude has the charisma of a used cars salesman (way too confident and energetic) with the eloquence of a toddler and somehow that makes him a demigod to his base ? (and I do have several examples of people I politically and/or personally despise who actually have charisma)
I think you're 100% correct that it's used car salesman energy. His base doesn't understand what he's saying (because he makes no sense), but they can cherry-pick parts they understood and craft positions that they agree with over them. They hear what they want to in an overly confident energetic way. It's why they think he "says it like it is," even though he just vomits words.
That’s giving them too much credit. Between Trump and social media, the shitbags successfully normalized (and commoditized) pride in being a shitbag. Once suffrage for women and “the negro” was normalized, there was a certain line that was toed in public. If you crossed that line all your fellow shitbags would distance themselves to avoid the blast radius of press coverage and public outrage. Politicians were notorious for this.
Fast forward to today. Trump is a shitty person in power who can be as shitty as he wants with no consequences. His party runs on grievance politics rooted in long simmering resentment. His very existence unites them because he is crass, uncultured, uneducated, and untouchable. Their role model is nothing but grievances, croneyism, financial fraud, and kid diddling. The first is the only thing that matters. The second and third are hand waved as his right for being successful. The kid diddling is being repeatedly buried in the press cycle because it’s one of the few things that can still unite the country and turn you into a pariah.
A lot of the rural Trump voters I know had made being uneducated a key pillar of their personal identity even before 2015. Those are the people who think he's a charismatic speaker.
The urban and suburban ones held their noses and voted for him because "at least he's not a Godless Democrat." They don't listen to what he says, but they vote for him anyway.
Ok so that's the plan... Shithead who is obviously better (lol) than orangeshit is gonna run. That guarantees that we'll have another 4 years of the orange shit.
This is terrible. Will there be any businesses still solvable? Any economy still alive?
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resipsaloquitur@lemmy.cafe · 175 pts · 4d
Please be the republican nominee.
lemmy_outta_here@lemmy.world · 139 pts · 4d
Keep in mind that is exactly what I thought when Trump announced his candidacy in 2015.
resipsaloquitur@lemmy.cafe · 18 pts · 4d
Hmmm.
You make a good point.
On the other hand, look at the history of presidents and their parties. It ALWAYS swaps parties unless there is a particularly popular vice president. Literally, back to Washington.
The US isn’t like Japan where the LDP wins consecutive elections for decades on end.
The republican candidate was GOING to win in 2016.
We are now in a time of chaos. I feel Dems will probably sweep the midterms and maybe win in 2028, but it’s unclear. We’ve only had one nonconsecutive president before.
I wouldn’t put money on James (Vance).
BonsaiBoo@lemmy.world · 36 pts · 4d
Remember when the Supreme Court interfered in the presidential election because of hanging chads and effectively kept Gore from winning, thus leading somehow to the death of Harambe and bringing us to the bad place dimension where everything always gets worse and almost always in the worst way possible?
Yeah.. like you said, history likes to repeat itself.
resipsaloquitur@lemmy.cafe · 5 pts · 4d
Oh yes; I remember the Brooks Brothers riot.
Begging the question — was Al Gore a particularly popular vice president?
Having lived through it, I would say no.
Which doesn’t mean Dubya was wildly popular. Only that Al wasn’t.
Whether Dubya won legitimately, the national mood wasn’t four more years of Clinton.
BonsaiBoo@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 3d
Trumps approval rating when he was elected the second time was 47%. Al Gore’s approval rating when he lost the 2000 election was 62%.
grue@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 3d
Should've called it the Brook Brothers coup. Because in retrospect, that's what it was.
rumba@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 2d
Between the two, you had one that constantly made shit up like "I made the internet" and one that couldn't pronounce nuclear.
The fact that it got down to the chads are a better indicator to our split as a country.
At the time climate was a hot topic and we pushed hard to get gore in as best we could.
IIRC the chad was in Florida, which is pretty handicapped red.
First_Thunder@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 3d
Not really though, post civil war there was a 40 year pause where no democrats were president iirc until Wilson won due to Teddy Roosevelt splitting the vote
PalmTreeIsBestTree@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 3d
Yeah because the Dixiecrats were traitors… Then the democrats held a tight grip on congress after the depression and FDR was president for 10+ years.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 3d
No it doesn't.
ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de · 0 pts · 4d
That's because both sides are shit and just keep the rich and powerful, rich and powerful, in exchange for money.
Oyml77@lemmy.today · 4 pts · 3d
This is the shit that is put out there to keep people from being involved in politics because "why bother if both sides are the same?" and to deflect blame from the fact that the right is objectively worse in every fucking way. The Democratic party has a lot of problems and is in need of of a huge pull to the left, but it is better than the alternative. Dismissing it this way solves nothing.
ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de · 1 pts · 3d
Well we could always keep doing like the past dozen decades and endlessly have the population flopping back and forth between two parties and always pissed and screwed but never doing anything real about it other than "you have to vote guys. That will fix everything". The system is corrupted. Voting isn't going to fix it.
Oyml77@lemmy.today · 3 pts · 3d
Are you taking up arms for the coming revolution then?
rumba@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 2d
Nominees don't matter anymore. They won't let anyone who will make a meaningful difference in. If someone meaningful gets in, they'll be blocked from making any changes.
we lack the pitchforks and the will to do jack all about anything.
CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 4d
Right. Standing up there and yelling "there's that f__ talk again!" as some kind of response, ala Idiocracy would be a huge selling point for the Tribe That Rub Shit In Their Hair. The pig people loooove that kind of stuff - they are intimidated by competency, expertise and people that are smarter than them. An idiot like donnie or Petey are their idea of "common sense" politicians.
That, combined with enough of the apathetic staying home as well as the armchair "leftists" that love to tell everyone how it is useless to vote, (at least to actually vote for a candidate that can actually win) and you'll get Petey in office...
ZombieCyborgFromOuterSpace@piefed.ca · 2 pts · 4d
I was about to say just that.
yakko@feddit.uk · 3 pts · 3d
Never ever ask the universe to do something funny. It was already going to, and now it's irritated.
stretch2m@infosec.pub · 33 pts · 4d
Hegseth in a debate. Now that I'd like to see. What a putz.
ulkesh@piefed.social · 66 pts · 4d
You guys laugh, but there seems to be enough wannabe-macho small-penis dudebro idiot voters that could get the loser elected. Do not assume it won't happen.
ruan@lemmy.eco.br · 9 pts · 3d
I'm not from the USA, neither an English native speaker, but is Peter Hegseth in any way charismatic? I find Trump totally repulsive, however I can understand his "charism" that attracts people to vote for him when he's there mumbling his rampts and narcistic histories. So far, since 2025, that I can remember, anytime I saw any video of Peter Hegseth speaking he seems to have the same charism as a door.
This, would, of course, be important for a presidential candidate If there is any "democracy" left during the election time, since Trump's popularity is decreasing, his government does not seem too promising on having "good results" to show when the election time comes, therefore the transfer of charism and therefore votes that Trump would be able to execute would be limited, and the new candidate would have to work on his own.
Given the current state of affairs, as an external observator and not too familiar with USA real politics dynamics, I find it's easier for Trump and republicans to continue the rampamt breaking of laws and just really push for a 3rd term, as he's been publicly "teasing" since his 2024 campaign...
P.S.: Just to finish up, there's also the fact that Trump is old as f*, and seems to be becoming more senile by the minute (i.e.: his almost at the age his dad was diagnoses with dementia iirc), so maybe the thing is they would just be forced to move on from him and the "3rd term" thing would really just not come to fruition due to bad timing (Trump going full demented, dying, etc...). Or maybe if his popularity keeps going down, who knows if the democracts can obtain any majority in the midterm elections and put up an impeachment on both houses this time, this would also chance the outlook of things and force the republicans to choose a new candidate sooner than later.
decolo@piefed.social · 9 pts · 3d
The only thing hegseth has going for him is his 'TV look' and willingness to eat shit if it owns the libs (our conservatives have no shame, and love embarrassing themselves to get a reaction from 'the left')
hoppeduponcoffee@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 3d
He’s not charismatic, he just spouts hateful fascist ideology that hateful fascists crave.
None of these guys are. Elon “Nazi Salute” Musk, Rupert Murdoch, Zuckerberg, Thiel, Bannon, Bezos, and the entirety of Trump’s cabinet. They are social idiots and have zero charisma.
astronaut_sloth@mander.xyz · 3 pts · 3d
Not at all. Even the military personnel I've spoken with think he's an absolute moron with no charisma or leadership ability. Officers who are ardently non-partisan have made semi-public remarks that have been critical.
phutatorius@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 2d
In the sense of making me want to punch him in the face, yes.
Likewise. I had to be streetwise to survive when I was young, and I can spot a wrong 'un from a mile away. Everything about Trump sets my red warning light blinking.
But Trump's character and appearance and Hegseth's bellowing imbecility function like the typos in a 419 scam email. The gullible and oblivious ignore the warning signs.
technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 3d
USA in a nutshell.
phutatorius@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 2d
We do seem to have a lot of those. Must be something in the water.
teelin134@programming.dev · 59 pts · 3d
Guy who lost a war with Iran wants to be president.
Must be the type who has failed upwards his entire life.
theedqueen@lemmy.world · 27 pts · 3d
I mean so far that has been very true
technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com · -12 pts · 3d
There's no "war with Iran". When did it begin? When did it end?
In reality it's been decades/centuries of genocidal imperial terrorism in an attempt to violently control the region, the people, and resources there.
arotrios@lemmy.world · 56 pts · 4d
CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 4d
Isn't he tied to the Seven Mountain Mandate insanity?
Dipshit probably believes in that Left Behind bullshit, too.
decolo@piefed.social · 5 pts · 3d
Every noteworthy member of the executive branch is now a seven mountains mandate Christian dominionist at this point.
technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 3d
The very large, genocidal side thinks nuking people is great.
JoMiran@lemmy.ml · 32 pts · 4d
Do it! Dems need any help they can get.
clanker_victim_555@lemmy.world · 25 pts · 4d
Isn't that what they thought they were doing when they talked about Trump so much? Turning the joke candidate into this
NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 3d
Yes, pretty sure Hillary's campaign financed some stuff to specifically highlight Trump bcz they thought they'd steam roll him in the general election.
Pofski@lemmy.world · 26 pts · 3d
So this is his Dmitry Medvedev?
belunos@lemmus.org · 2 pts · 3d
Oh that's a good one!
DandomRude@lemmy.world · 26 pts · 4d
That man deserves life in prison for his war crimes.
0li0li@lemmy.world · 25 pts · 4d
So you're saying he's got a shot?
vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 3d
Yeah he also deserves to be shot. Non lethal of course, ignoring complications such as sepsis.
Akasazh@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 3d
Nobel peace prize material right there
alecbowles@feddit.uk · 3 pts · 3d
Do you mean FIFA peace prize material
Akasazh@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 3d
pelespirit@sh.itjust.works · 19 pts · 4d
Trump vs Hegseth, who is worse?
I vote tie.
Kayday@lemmy.world · 60 pts · 4d
Hegseth is worse because he will live longer.
pelespirit@sh.itjust.works · 12 pts · 4d
That's a valid point. I don't think he could win though. He's a drunk.
frustrated_phagocytosis@fedia.io · 21 pts · 4d
I recall hearing the same thing about George W. Bush and we all know how that turned out
AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space · 26 pts · 4d
Also, surely there’s no way the American people would vote for Trump twice
homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 4d
jEnOsiDe JoEee!!1!
BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 4d
And he might actually keep his lies straight.
Eh_I@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 4d
What does he drink? Send him a case.
arctanthrope@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 4d
he'd call that buying him breakfast
lIlIlIlIlIlIl@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 4d
Does Pete Hegseth’s liver know it’s expected to make it all the way to 2028?
empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 16 pts · 4d
The hateful ones live the longest.
flop_leash_973@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 3d
Gonna try and pull a Putin with Trump?
Take Trump as his running mate, then if he wins resign so Trump can be President again.
Pacattack57@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 3d
That is against the constitution. The 12th amendment says if a person is ineligible for president they are also ineligible for VP
Only thing possible is running for congress and then being speaker of the house, then both VP and President resign.
flop_leash_973@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1d
Ah you're right. I had to go back and read the specific text. Been so long since I have sat down to read any of it I had forgotten that was covered.
I stand corrected
Pacattack57@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1d
There’s still merit to what you said. Trump is a convicted felon. That alone he should have been impeached and removed but they let it slide. If they let that go who’s to say they don’t let other stuff go too.
blastosist@lemmy.zip · 15 pts · 3d
President Kegsbreath..
6stringringer@lemmy.zip · 15 pts · 3d
The boy ain’t even fit for T-ball.
phutatorius@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 2d
Unless his head were the ball.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 15 pts · 3d
Wonder if he and Trump are going for a Putin/Medvedev situation.
Sylvartas@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 9 pts · 3d
Didn't Putin allegedly get a little mad at this situation ? Trump couldn't mentally survive not being officially the big guy for a day.
nickiwest@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 3d
That is likely true. I can't imagine him calling anyone else "sir" or "Mr. President."
CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 2d
That's why the felon in chief flew off like a gigantic baby before President Biden was ushered in.
The delicate flower couldn't even deal with it for a few hours because he's a terrible human being.
bedwyr@piefed.ca · 15 pts · 4d
We all thought the current president was going to lose in 2016 when he was dicking up the republican primaries. Don't discount these hacks. RFK would be the strongest challenger if not for his speech impediment, how is he going to run a nazi rally with that voice?
Vance won't get it, Rubio won't get it.
jpreston2005@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 3d
Hilarious, because we all know it's just going to be the orange pedophile again.
Oyml77@lemmy.today · 4 pts · 3d
I just have a hard time believing they can keep him both alive and sufficiently lucid enough to be viable for 2028. He's struggling to hold it together through an entire Nazi rally now.
phutatorius@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 2d
Sanity and competence are not requirements. As long as he's hurting the right's designated scapegoats du jour, they'll support him even if he's no more than an amorphous blob of protoplasm in a jar.
DrStanleyGoodspeed@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 3d
That’s gonna be a hard sell to a lot of people. I’m moderate and I wouldn’t vote for either one of these dudes. They need to pick someone sane? Or is the insanity the selling point, and I’m just out of touch?
BigPotato@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 3d
Yes, why would you vote for a politician who is just going to line their pockets when you can vote for a lunatic that says it's okay to say slurs who is just going to line his pockets? I mean, what's life if you can't say slurs to people? Other people in my trailer park need to know they're lesser than me and Nancy Pelosi stock trades gender fluids transmission imported beef participation trophies nobody legal wants to work and all the illegals are not working and taking all the jobs and welfare for $9 lattes avocado toast. I will either hang myself from my F350s lifted trailer hitch or vote for Trump. What's it going to be, liberal?
mrmisses@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 4d
CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 4d
I still laugh when someone watching him doing his manly macho bigly boy warrior ethos "exercise" and they shouted "all the way down, all the way UP!", LOOOOoooool.
I wonder if they kept their job or if they could cover and say they were directing that at others there out of shot.
Anyway, I remember coaches and gym teachers that would STOP COUNTING when counting reps and you did bad form. Whoever was counting for little Petey here should have done that. He was not doing anything useful here. I think I counted two actual reps out of the supposed 40-something, LOL.
https://www.newsweek.com/pete-hegseth-mocked-by-critics-over-workout-video-fitness-experts-weigh-in-12066692
tea_n_typewriters@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 4d
The military does the same thing during testing.
“44…45…46…46…all the way down…46…46…”
CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 3d
Haha, yeah, makes sense. That's what I've heard from people in the military. They should have done that for little Petey there.
I wish the guy yelling "all the way down, all the way up!" had added - "this means YOU, Pete!" 🤣
Forgot to add: it would always make me laugh when they stalled the counting, and it made doing things even harder when coaches or teachers would do this. 😂
technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 3d
I don't say this often but... Dank gif.
abc@suppo.fi · 11 pts · 3d
Oh fuck, I need to keep my wallet closed. Last time a person who obviously cannot get elected became the GOP candidate, I bet a lot of money against his win. :(
Fortunately, I did the same 4 years earlier when the same happened :)
takeda@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 11 pts · 2d
Over trump's dead body (literally).
Trump is not planning to willingly leave in 2029.
kukukese@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 3d
Iran war didn't go well, now he planning to be the boss? Well, let's see how it goes for him.
quick_snail@feddit.nl · 9 pts · 4d
Actually, I hope he does run. He would make it easier for progressive to win because everyone hates him.
Tenniswaffles@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 21 pts · 3d
What are you talking about? You do realise this is the country that elected Trump twice, right?
SailorMoss@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 3d
He got us involved in an extremely dumb and pointless war and lost. If that doesn't scream prime Republican presidential nominee material; I don't know what does.
If I was a bettin' man he'd be on my 2028 shortlist.
JasonDJ@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 3d
Counterpoint: W. got re-elected.
hoppeduponcoffee@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 3d
Assuming we do have free elections at the time, nah. MAGA has been whittled down to about one-third of the voting bloc. They’ll get decimated by populist progressives. Establishment Dems will also get wrecked in the primaries.
MBech@feddit.dk · 3 pts · 3d
If I've learned anything these past 10 years, it's never underestimate the idiocy of the average american voter.
Just because MAGA is smaller than previously, doesn't mean the voters who don't like MAGA anymore, don't still prefer republicans.
quick_snail@feddit.nl · 2 pts · 3d
Again, you could only say that if the US was a democracy.
It's a one party system with rampent voter disenfranchisement and first past the post.
Trump has never had more than 40% approval. He didn't win the election. He stole itbin a rigged system.
If the US had a democracy, he never would have been able to steal the Presidency. Because he had never been the candidate of choice.
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 3d
Hegseth isn't Trump. MAGA is a classic Cult of Personality, and it is ALL about Trump. Once he assumes room temperature, MAGA is finished.
Some of his followers, especially the politicians, will try to keep it going, but 90% of street level MAGAs were on board because of Trump, and once he's gone, their interest in politics will wane. None of his henchmen or children will be acceptable, even though there will be many who will claim to be his chosen, or logical, successor, but NONE of them will attract the Trumper.
Besides, MAGA is down to less than 30%. It will be far lower after Trump croaks. Even if they could rally around a MAGA candidate, there won't be the support. And of all the MAGA figures, the guy that helped Trump break his America First promise definitely won't be the guy. Neither will Vance. Rubio has the only shot, because he still has non-MAGA creds, but he will also be tainted with MAGA, so it won't work.
Nonprophet@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 3d
Wow. Cocaine really is bad for you, huh?
falynns@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 3d
Hey you leave cocaine out of this.
technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 8 pts · 3d
Completely normal for a genocidal empire that murders schoolgirls with impunity.
4grams@awful.systems · 8 pts · 3d
Hegseth / Lindell. A true dream ticket if there ever was one.
frustrated_phagocytosis@fedia.io · 8 pts · 4d
Did someone convince him that he can just command everyone in the armed forces to vote for him? Then again, he does have the Fox News crowd locked down. No matter how bad he is at his job, they'll vote him over any liberal.
cheese_greater@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 4d
Sad!
Objection@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 4d
American politics is so fucking whack, but I'm still gonna say he has no chance and if I get egg on my face I get egg on my face.
Big part of how Trump one was playing both sides with the tough guy act but also lying that he'd stay out of foreign entanglements. Hegseth is pure tough guy act, and also started and lost a war with Iran, so he has absolutely no ability to court the libertarian/isolationist-minded people on the right who felt burned by Bush. It seems like he's just delusional and has bought into his own propaganda.
sun_is_ra@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 4d
Right but imagine you are a hardcore MAGA supporter and found that Trump won't be running for a 3ed term, where can you find someone shittier than Pete to elect?
Objection@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 3d
You can't win with just that one type of guy, is what I'm saying. There's the macho nationalist type of guy on the right, absolutely, but there's also the libertarian type that's generally "anti-war" on the basis that war is the government doing stuff and the government doing stuff is always bad.
In 2000, Bush ran as being more isolationist than Gore and staying out of foreign conflicts (after the failure in Vietnam, nobody wanted to be associated with that), then as soon as he got ahold of power started and lost pointless wars of aggression. So then Bush became unpopular on the right and Trump ran as an "anti-establishment" type (after the failure in Afghanistan, nobody wanted to be associated with that) claiming to be a "peace" candidate, and he won, and as soon as he got access to the levers of power he started bombing Syria but nobody really noticed or cared for some reason so then he just repeated the same lies and got into power again and immediately went and bombed Iran, and going forward nobody's gonna want to be associated with that.
There's plenty of figures that are positioning themselves to step into that role next, like MTG, Tucker Carlson, and Tulsi Gabbard. The sorts of people who bought into Trump being a peace candidate are dumb as rocks and lack basic pattern recognition so they will absolutely just keep falling for the same trick over and over again. But they do need to be tricked and lied to for the right to have a winning coalition.
It is kinda exciting on some level, like, say Tucker Carlson got his hands on the levers of power, he'd obviously start another war of aggression somewhere, but who really knows where it'd be? And when that war proves to be a hopeless debacle, who will be the one on the right to say that, unlike Tucker who just loves getting into pointless destructive conflicts (who could've predicted it?), they actually... you know what, I can't do this, it's not exciting, it's literally just rebooting the same plotline over and over, and I'm gonna be forced to watch it until I'm dead in the ground.
Point being, my prediction is that the Republican nominee will either be someone who has some pretense of being able to distance themself from the Iran War, or they will lose.
sun_is_ra@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 3d
Thanks for taking the time. It's a good read and very informative.
I think you're right but will have more confidence when I see the result of the midterm.
I want to see how many Trump endorsed republicans will win vs Regular republicans.
You're words make lot of sense but the world we're living in right now doesn't so I guess will wait and see.
dreamkeeper@literature.cafe · 2 pts · 2d
Hegseth can easily be painted as a weirdo diva little bitch. Talks a lot of shit about manliness but had his very own makeup room installed in the Pentagon, he looks like an uncoordinated wimp when he exercises, he brags about realism and "lethality" but performed like an inept weakling against Iran.
He's also a known wife beater and former alcoholic which makes him look like even more of a pansy. Dude can beat on women but not our enemies.
He's extremely unpopular in the military and isn't taken seriously there either. It took him 20 years to reach major, that's beyond pathetic, and he was never more than a platoon leader.
A competent Dem would portrait him as a loser manlet and it would work.
hoppeduponcoffee@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 3d
A perfect example of an oxymoron. Core libertarian ideology espouses completely open borders and international trade without government interference.
They’re not libertarians, they’re just another version of big government neoconservatives that sympathize with fascists.
Objection@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 3d
Yes and no. Open borders and international trade are consistent with libertarianism, but fighting a bunch of expensive foreign wars isn't. Libertarians are in a position of having to make compromises for a lesser evil, and no Democratic presidential nominee has ever made an attempt to appeal to them at all. Like, Harris never met a war she didn't like and the way she tried to appeal to the right was campaigning with Dick Cheney, who everyone outside of diehard neocons hates.
Having said that, yes, libertarian-minded people tend to have mixed up priorities and often have major blind spots regarding the GOP. They are blinded by principles and idealism, while ignoring the actual facts on the ground and being horrible judges of character. At the same time, if there is any faction on the right that's actually worth trying to appeal to, it's probably them, because they have some reasons to have tension with the GOP. It's certainly not worth trying to appeal to the bloodthirsty neocons and fascists who are perfectly satisfied and getting exactly what they want.
hoppeduponcoffee@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 3d
Whoops, Trump going to throw him under the bus in 3… 2…. 1….
CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 4d
He should be happy he's not in prison by that time.
SaintNectar@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 3d
Postponing release of Epstein files as long as possible for the pedolord
Alexfire@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 3d
With running mate, Lumpy Pillows, will win bigly!
Sanctus@anarchist.nexus · 5 pts · 4d
His head is all the way up his ass
BromSwolligans@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 4d
How fucking insulated from reality must a person be to be that delusional?
4am@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 4d
He’s literally getting away with his wildest dreams, of course he’s delusional
hanrahan@slrpnk.net · 5 pts · 4d
well, Trump was elected, so, anything is possible because this is America.
qarbone@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 3d
Just hand him a beer and he'll forget when he's supposed to be running. Daft cunt.
DaddleDew@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 4d
Anyone who gets too much attention for running for the Republican party after Trump's mandate is going to be pushed aside by him. Trump gives zero fucks about what happens to the party after he's gone and he hates when the spotlight isn't on him.
bedwyr@piefed.ca · 3 pts · 4d
Which means we can help get his cabinet fired if we make a public case that the person is angling for the presidency.
Prez probably doesn't even care if it's true, he cares if people think it's true. Although I don't think he even sees things in a true or false way.
Eh_I@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 4d
Tomorrow:
PETE HEGSETH FOUND DEAD
Body Had No Blood
PattyMcB@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 4d
That's a hell of a BAC
green_goglin@thelemmy.club · 3 pts · 3d
lmao
LillyPip@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 4d
Didn’t know he was a masochist.
Corvidae@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 4d
I thought it was spelled misogynist.
unemployedclaquer@sopuli.xyz · 3 pts · 4d
Translation: he wants money, pweeez
postmateDumbass@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 4d
Even with someone txting the subtitles, this guy cannot read a room.
HumanOnEarth@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 4d
Translation: He wants to be the fascist in charge when the 2028 "elections" keep the Republicans in power.
FuglyDuck@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 4d
He knows the orange fuhrer is running 2028, right?
I encourage him to split the vote. That will end well.
(For not-Nazis America, that is.)
bedwyr@piefed.ca · 2 pts · 4d
Nah, prez won't run again, his mind is gone, and the county is not corrupted enough to accept such a blatant violation of the constitution.
More than that, he's already lost his mind. He's a fucking vegetable. While that's good for the super rich, it won't play in 2028. No, his bitch ass will step down.
Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 4d
You are absolutely right. Americans would never stand for blatant violations of their constitution.
Apologies I didn't warn you to put down your drink so it wouldn't shoot out your nose.
bedwyr@piefed.ca · 1 pts · 4d
It is not about fidelity to the constitution, it's about the right killing the republic. Maybe you should pick up a drink if you don't even realize that. Cheers motherfucker!
NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 3d
The difference between Trump and Pete the drunk is for all Trumps faults, he is a charismatic speaker (threw up in my mouth a little saying a nice thing about him)
MBech@feddit.dk · 13 pts · 3d
I've never understood why people think that. Most of what comes out of his mouth makes absolutely no sense. If I was to act completely impartial, and forget everything I know about the monster, listening to him wouldn't make me think "What a charismatic guy". He sounds like he's 2 brain cells away from having a stroke.
Sylvartas@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 7 pts · 3d
Yeah I don't understand it at all. Dude has the charisma of a used cars salesman (way too confident and energetic) with the eloquence of a toddler and somehow that makes him a demigod to his base ? (and I do have several examples of people I politically and/or personally despise who actually have charisma)
astronaut_sloth@mander.xyz · 4 pts · 3d
I think you're 100% correct that it's used car salesman energy. His base doesn't understand what he's saying (because he makes no sense), but they can cherry-pick parts they understood and craft positions that they agree with over them. They hear what they want to in an overly confident energetic way. It's why they think he "says it like it is," even though he just vomits words.
slag@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 3d
That’s giving them too much credit. Between Trump and social media, the shitbags successfully normalized (and commoditized) pride in being a shitbag. Once suffrage for women and “the negro” was normalized, there was a certain line that was toed in public. If you crossed that line all your fellow shitbags would distance themselves to avoid the blast radius of press coverage and public outrage. Politicians were notorious for this.
Fast forward to today. Trump is a shitty person in power who can be as shitty as he wants with no consequences. His party runs on grievance politics rooted in long simmering resentment. His very existence unites them because he is crass, uncultured, uneducated, and untouchable. Their role model is nothing but grievances, croneyism, financial fraud, and kid diddling. The first is the only thing that matters. The second and third are hand waved as his right for being successful. The kid diddling is being repeatedly buried in the press cycle because it’s one of the few things that can still unite the country and turn you into a pariah.
nickiwest@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 3d
A lot of the rural Trump voters I know had made being uneducated a key pillar of their personal identity even before 2015. Those are the people who think he's a charismatic speaker.
The urban and suburban ones held their noses and voted for him because "at least he's not a Godless Democrat." They don't listen to what he says, but they vote for him anyway.
NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 3d
Yes, now it's absolute nonsense, but back in 2016 and earlier he was a lot more coherent, and the racists ate it up.
areakode@riskeratspizza.com · 2 pts · 4d
The GI Joe cosplayer? That's weird...
altphoto@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 3d
Ok so that's the plan... Shithead who is obviously better (lol) than orangeshit is gonna run. That guarantees that we'll have another 4 years of the orange shit.
This is terrible. Will there be any businesses still solvable? Any economy still alive?
zane@infosec.pub · 2 pts · 4d
Does he expect trump to be dead?
Is this about avoiding prison again?
cantstopthesignal@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 4d
Bro can't bench 135.
daannii@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 4d
I bet he's going to run as Trump's vice president 2028.
Or at least that's their plan.
nnullzz@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 4d
Or have Trump run as his vice president.
daannii@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 3d
Right. That was one of their "secret" strategies that trump told everyone about.
foggy@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 4d
It will be tough to run for president during his own Tribunal. Not saying it can't be done, but the deck will be stacked against him.
Bustedknuckles@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 4d
I wish you would
kreskin@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 21h
president of fifa maybe.
shartgargle@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 4d
FluidBeef@quokk.au · 1 pts · 4d
Sure, why not?
Naive@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 3d
I think next PM would be a Democrat rather than a Republican. I am not American so I may be wrong but I just feel that it would be happening.
anon_8675309@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 4d
Oh goody.
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