Andrew Tate has been indicted by Romanian prosecutors for various crimes, including trafficking minors, money laundering, and sex with a minor, according to reports.
Andrew Tate indicted for trafficking minors in Romania
https://www.newsweek.com/andrew-tate-indicted-trafficking-minors-money-laundering-romania-12404377
133 Comments
Dojan@pawb.social · 266 pts · 1d
Sex with minors isn’t a thing. It’s called rape.
muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works · 107 pts · 1d
It’s only rape if the rapist is poor. If they are rich, it’s called Thursday.
a_non_monotonic_function@lemmy.world · 30 pts · 1d
Since this effect lacks a proper name outside of the date, why don't we invent a new one. I propose Trumpstein.
muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works · 14 pts · 1d
It was dark humor about the frequency of the offense making it less horrifying.
lolrightythen@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 21h
I'm used to Trumpsteinsday at this point.
a_non_monotonic_function@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 21h
Yes.
EntheoNaut@lemmy.ml · 22 pts · 23h
It’s only rape if the rapist is poor. If they are rich, it’s called Republican.
Ftfy
baines@lemmy.cafe · 9 pts · 23h
it might even qualify you for president
AfterlifeAdventures@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 22h
Some would say the greatest prez
muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 20h
With giant hands, perfect for child grappling
Kangae_Hishiryo@scribe.disroot.org · 2 pts · 18h
And orange skin, just to make things saucier
Carl@anarchist.nexus · 52 pts · 1d
While I agree, the way the article is worded makes me suspect that is the name of the crime they’re accused of.
Sort of like how Trump was found liable for “sexual abuse”, because the jurisdiction it occurred in strictly defines rape as penis-in-vagina sex. And since he “only” (ugh) used his fingers, it wasn’t technically rape as far as the law was concerned. But the judge who oversaw the case later had to clarify that it would colloquially be referred to as rape, even though that wasn’t the technical term that the lawsuit used. Because Trump was trying to use the “well I wasn’t found liable for rape, so she can’t say I raped her” argument in his defamation lawsuit.
realitaetsverlust@piefed.zip · 8 pts · 15h
I don't think Romanian law sees it like that. Minors above 14 can technically consent to sexual acts with adults, which makes it still illegal, but not rape and carries a much lighter sentence.
German law (and quite a few other European countries) is even more relaxed in that regard, while it's still technically illegal to have sex with minors aged 14+, if they consented and weren't somehow pressured etc, there will usually be no prosecution.
Seimhe@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 11h
In Romania the age is now 16 https://cne.news/article/3356-romania-tightens-law-on-sexual-consent
realitaetsverlust@piefed.zip · 1 pts · 4h
Oh I must've missed that, last information I had was still 14, as in germany. Thanks!
Seimhe@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 4h
I only found out today. It’s a pretty recent change. Romania is possibly the most referred country to the EHCR, so not a great track record there.
AmidFuror@fedia.io · -12 pts · 1d
TheLeadenSea@sh.itjust.works · 17 pts · 23h
Were you a minor at the time?
AmidFuror@fedia.io · 7 pts · 22h
Yes.
M137@lemmy.today · 4 pts · 16h
Then how is that relevant? This is about an adult having sex with minors, which is rape. All you did with your comment was show that you are trying to defend him. This whole "sex with a minor" thing has been a very talked about deal for over a decade now with all the well known pedophiles in places of power and the media not calling them what they are (rapists).
Other than defending him and the others (Epstein, Trump etc.) I seriously don't see any reason to make the comment you did.
AmidFuror@fedia.io · 1 pts · 6h
My comment was removed.
FartMaster69@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 7 pts · 23h
Uh
agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works · 15 pts · 23h
I mean, I lost my virginity at 17 to a 19-year-old, and it definitely wasn't rape.
Obviously there's not a lot of nuance when you're talking about a full grown man taking advantage of a minor, but I also think it's kind of ridiculous to suggest two 16-year-olds having sex, or two teenagers barely on either side of 18, can't be consensual.
JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 22h
I got my relatively prude vanilla ass handed to me for attempting to draw a distinction between rock stars given social consent and then proceeding to break a law and 70 year old power brokers making false promises to get young women in positions where they cannot say no. I believe that conflating even those two by not acknowledging that they have different terms, is disingenuous to the victims who gave all of zero consent and were not interested in the action, but we're subject to violence.
JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 22h
To say that few us us here are interested in actually protecting women, just being seen as white knights.
White knights may now proceed to shower me with downvotes.
im_fine_sandy@nord.pub · 1 pts · 20h
Yes, but what the law says and what is going on in practice are often (or usually) two different things.
In your own example, a forensic psychiatrist might have interrogated you when you were 17 and concluded that you were of sound mind and had the requisite emotional and logical faculty to "consent" in every reasonable definition of the term.
However, the law says that your consent in this case has no legal baring. This is not to undermine your own agency as a 17 year old, but to protect those 17 year olds who were not as well developed as you, or who might be manipulated some how, and so on.
The trade-off is that there usually has to be a complainant. In your own example you or your parents would (in most jurisdictions), need to ask the police to press charges.
Of course, the age of consent varies between jurisdictions. Here I think it's 16. I went to school with someone who got married when she was 16 because she had become pregnant when she was 15. I didn't realise at the time how messed up that was.
I'm reminded of the fascinating and macabre history of Pitcairn Island. The abridged version is that in the 1700's (?) a sailing ship named the Bounty visited Tahiti for several months where many of the crew became involved with Tahitian ladies. Rather than return to their lives they mutinied, and absconded to an uninhabited island with their brides. Much violence and depravity, and later fanatical religious stuff ensued, but ultimately a tiny community of several dozen people survived to the 1990's. At that time it emerged that underage sex / rape was a common and even celebrated practice. It's a truly incredible story for a variety of reasons.
FartMaster69@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 12h
Law depends on jurisdiction, some have lower ages of consent and some give allowances when the ages are within a couple years of each other.
agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 20h
Many places have a sliding scale, usually a window of a few years. 19 and 17 was legal under that scale.
Danquebec@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 18h
That would be crazy otherwise.
John (17 years and 11 months) and Mary (17 years and 5 months) are in an intimate relationship since 6 months and are sexually active.
John hits his birthday and now they can't have sex for 6 months (otherwise it would be rape).
agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 17h
Exactly
kuiskaaja@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 21h
it's strange how some of y'all are getting upvoted while i got 18 downvotes and someone calling me a pedophile when i said the same thing
the dogpiling on this website is crazy, it's just like reddit in that sense
agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works · 12 pts · 21h
Tone and framing change how people react to an idea.
kuiskaaja@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 21h
yeah, true. it's also i guess this issue being sensitive and people in these very online spaces not realizing they have an extremist view on this which is completely detached from the real world
agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 20h
I think doubling down on "everyone on this site is unreasonable" will not help on the tone front.
Karjalan@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 20h
It is very hard, without writing a mini essay, to convey all the relavent context, tone and meaning via a text based comment.
Often what people write will end up being interpreted differently by people reading it and different to your intentions.
Also the, for lack of a better term, "dog pile" effect really matters. If the first few people down vote you, that changes how successive people will interpret your message. "Maybe it seems harmless but it's -3, so I might have missed some context and it's more nefarious than I realised" etc.
Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 21h
Like in the coal mines?
AmidFuror@fedia.io · 2 pts · 19h
I love miners. Dirty, filthy miners.
UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml · 0 pts · 18h
Hope you find your way to a healthier place stranger. Get well soon.
kuiskaaja@lemmy.ml · -45 pts · 1d
how do you feel about an 18 year old dating a 50 year old?
Seimhe@lemmy.world · 54 pts · 1d
It is vulgar to bring whataboutery into a discussion about child rape.
kuiskaaja@lemmy.ml · -43 pts · 1d
it's not whataboutism, i'm not debating anything, i'm just curious about what that particular user believes
Seimhe@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 1d
Maybe make another post to do that? You can ask all kinds of things that way to satiate your curiosity.
kuiskaaja@lemmy.ml · -24 pts · 1d
why would i respond to a comment with a post?
is the question really that hard to answer?
i'm just curious because some of you guys think a 2 year age gap in a relationship in your later teens is rape while it's not problematic at all when a freshly turned 18 year old dates or fucks someone decades older. for some people this is black and white to the point of ridiculousness, i'm not saying that particular user is like that, but that's what the question is for
MeatPilot@sh.itjust.works · 11 pts · 23h
Kinda a weird hill to die on. But I'll answer this for you.
Yeah, you need to put the line somewhere. Is it ok to send a 15 year old to war or let them smoke?
They are children is the reason, not the age gap. The fact that's not obvious to you is disturbing.
testaccount789@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 23h
You could also use 2 lines for age gap that keep adjusting based on current age, at least for the lower values.
I guess if you are 30 and want to have sex with an 80 year old, you both know what you're doing at that point.
kuiskaaja@lemmy.ml · -8 pts · 23h
there's these things called romeo and juliet laws.
there needs to be a strict border but it could be even higher imo, when combined with reasonable romeo and juliet laws.
the amount of downvotes on my comments has been a wake up call for me to how completely out of touch this website is. there's not a single person i know that would call a 18 year old having sex with a 16 year old rape. this is just like the insanity ive seen on reddit, which is not surprising as this post is on reddit.world.
this response signals just how chronically online this place is. pretty much nobody in the world thinks this issue is as black and white as people here are making it seem.
M137@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 16h
Ah, yes, you're just curious about that independent of the thread topic and what the person you replied to said...
This is on the same level as a thread about Trumps ICE militia kidnapping an disappearing people and you replying with "ah, but what about that one time Obama wore a tan suit? How do you feel about that?"
All you managed to do with your comment is show that you're ok with child rape because the age difference might be less, which is real fucking bad.
kuiskaaja@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 7h
that's exactly the exact opposite of what i was saying, if you would've bothered to read my replies in the thread you would've found that out
MeatPilot@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 22h
kuiskaaja@lemmy.ml · -5 pts · 21h
that's the first time i've gotten a meme made out of me, i feel honoured
that's a better reply than calling me a pedophile after i said a 2 year old age gap in your late teens isn't rape and a 18 year old having sex with much older people is problematic
guess u couldn't think of a good reply when i called out just how absurd saying that is
dreadbeef@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 8 pts · 20h
calm down, your special interests are showing
WanderWisley@lemmy.world · 78 pts · 22h
Well Tate has now acquired everything he needs to run for president…
2xar@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 6h
*Everything he needs to run as a republican. I think these would still disqualify him to run as a democrat.
panda_abyss@lemmy.ca · 71 pts · 1d
Didn’t we already go through this?
Pegajace@lemmy.world · 57 pts · 1d
Sort of. This is a new set of charges, it's unclear from the article how much overlap it shares with the previous case.
panda_abyss@lemmy.ca · 8 pts · 22h
Thank you
I hope that there’s much less fuckery this time and they can get the justice they deserve.
LadyButterfly@reddthat.com · 7 pts · 1d
Thank you
Carl@anarchist.nexus · 18 pts · 1d
Kind of? They were indicted in Romania a while back, but those charges were quickly dropped because the investigators fumbled some key evidence. This is a new set of charges, supposedly with new evidence that isn’t mired in procedural issues. They are already trying to fight their extradition to the UK for rape charges, so this is another set of charges to add to the list.
HeyJoe@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 21h
They were also safe hiding out until they were dumb enough (thankfully) to travel to the US to see the white house backyard whitetrash fight where they were arressted. The reason they havent been moved yet isnt because we arent sending them, but because the UK has to file something to start the transfer process which I heard they have until sept 16th to do so.
giraffes@kbin.earth · 53 pts · 17h
“sex with a minor” -> rape of a child
auzy1@lemmy.world · 49 pts · 1d
Fucking loser needs to traffick minors to get laid. So "alpha"
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 23h
He's the Thomas Jefferson of our generation.
JasonDJ@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 1h
I thought "alpha" just meant full of bugs and not fit for production.
auzy1@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 54m
I think in this case, it still applies, but it's std's
bowsertattoo@piefed.social · 39 pts · 20h
Why wasn't this guy arrested years ago?
Vex_Detrause@lemmy.ca · 11 pts · 17h
Didn't trump pardon him? Or ask Romania to transfer him to US.
Kirp123@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 12h
A Trump official visited the Romanian authorities and the next day the Tates travel restrictions were lifted.
Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de · 8 pts · 12h
Both Tates were arrested in Romania in 2022.
There is an arrest warrant out for them in the United Kingdom since 2024.
They were arrested in the United States in 2026 under the extradition request of the UK.
JasonDJ@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 1h
So....why hasn't ICE scooped these guys yet?
Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de · 1 pts · 1h
I guess because they are Americans by birth.
Additionally they have friends among the Trumpists.
fyzzlefry@retrolemmy.com · 8 pts · 18h
Right? Why has this been hard?
YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today · 6 pts · 18h
Ircc he was, then released on house arrest, no clue what happened to that cause you know he famously got arrested in Florida recently, and last I checked that ain't Romania. He's probably lining someone's pockets.
mwguy@infosec.pub · 4 pts · 16h
I still don't understand why he came to America. He's got to know we have extradition treaties.
myyass@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 17h
I don't know, but he sounds like some people I've met. When I was in Dublin, in a pub, this one Romanian guy proceeded to try and tell a joke... ugh the punchline was "it was womans" and it was good my buddy was there and bought him a pint to shut him up since I was already 10-12 pints deep. If you question that part; there may have been some "smelling salts" and plenty of cigarettes involved. Sorry for the rant it just grinds my gears.
YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 16h
I like the cut of your jib. That ammonia shit is too intense for me. I really don't know how gym bros do it regularly.
ripcord@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 16h
If only there was some way to know!
YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today · 4 pts · 15h
I'm not giving him the search. The sooner his name is forgotten, the better we all are.
finallymadeanaccount@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 10h
It's well known that a $1,000,000 'donation' to Trump gets the donor a Presidential pardon for anything.
lemmelemmy@feddit.org · 1 pts · 5h
US didn’t let Romania to charge them. I wonder what sort of threat they made over romania
bedwyr@piefed.ca · 37 pts · 19h
Turns out most dudes's cheering on of macho dickheads that take advantage of woman, ends with their own daughters. Who knew? /s
Fuck this guy. First tough guy I've known trying to be hyper masculine that wears woman's blouses, felt I had to add that.
myyass@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 17h
I've worked with a fair share of people that have well, killed lots of people. They looked out for me. This guy is ... I don't know looks and sounds weak? Like he would hide under the blouse at the sound of a shot.
GolfFoxtrotLima@sh.itjust.works · 33 pts · 21h
Tattorack@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 20h
My reaction exactly.
Jhex@lemmy.world · 31 pts · 1d
I hear kid molesters have a lot of fun in jail... couldn't happen to a better guy
voidsignal@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1d
his anus will be alpha-ed to bloody pulp
Chef@sh.itjust.works · 47 pts · 23h
I get it and he should totally reap what he sowed.
I think we as a society should not normalize this whole casual talk of prison rape.
I’m not calling you out personally. Please don’t take it that way.
My comment is that incarceration should be about rehabilitation. Our system is not - it’s geared towards punishment. And the whole prison rape talk reinforces that. Not to mention rape in any context is dehumanizing. These shit-ass Tate brothers are evil as fuck but they are human and should be treated as such. IMO a society should be measured by how they treat the most vulnerable - this includes the unhoused, victims, and the incarcerated.
I don’t mean to soapbox here, but I think it’s worth trying to change the conversation when it comes up.
ZombieCyborgFromOuterSpace@piefed.ca · 9 pts · 22h
Murder is bad, too.
But I can't say I was upset when Charlie Kirk was killed.
Blubber28@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 23h
It's absolutely a point that needs reinforcing, but crimes like rape, human trafficking, and slavery are not crimes commited out of necessity. If someone steals food or a small amount of money because they go hungry otherwise, that is absolutely a case where they need help. Those are crimes commited out of a necessity. I think even murder can be a crime of necessity or desperation under the right circumstances. Those people need helped, and do not deserve to be treated the way they do by the justice system in many nations.
But rape, human trafficking, slavery etc. are crimes that are committed out of malice, and malice alone. And those people committing them deserve to experience everything that they did to others. Anything less is insufficient. The only counterargument against it (admittedly a very strong one) is that innocent people also end up behind the same bars.
testaccount789@sh.itjust.works · 10 pts · 22h
But those people are already victims, and don't need rehab targeting their behavior, neither are they dangerous, just pushed into it by circumstances.
If you have to steal food, you don't belong in prison for that in the first place.
I'll add another I think you might agree with.
If someone gets raped in prison, there, necessarily, has to be someone who rapes them. This will likely just be a physically stronger rapist, who on the other hand is even getting some enjoyment from prison. And what's going to happen when that person is released?
bstix@feddit.dk · 9 pts · 21h
I agree on your distinction. However, I don't think that revenge-raping a rapist does any good to anyone or redeem any of the wrong doing. It only creates another rapist.
Punishment should be something that benefits the victims or society.
INHALE_VEGETABLES@aussie.zone · 4 pts · 20h
I can actually see him being accepted by a gang/group or become protected quite easily ngl. Might alread know people inside. Hope he gets shanked a couple times 👌
Doomsider@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 14h
I sure hope the Trump administration doesn't try to save these fuckers.
Sylvartas@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 11 pts · 10h
Pedo, grifter, egoistical, bad at money laundering, constantly talks about masculinity and shit while acting like a giant crybaby, entire personality revolves about being perceived as the manliest manly man while looking like an absolute goblin (with expensive tacky clothes on top). Has an IQ lower than his anal temperature in
normal units°C.If you still have no idea whether it's about Tate or Trump... well, that's why I think the Trump administration will definitely try to save these fuckers
ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 9h
OTOH trump may want to eliminate the competition.
LazyOldPervert@lemmus.org · 6 pts · 7h
Don't give them ideas, a lot of "people" in that administration apparently love to fuck children
SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 1h
If the rumours are true, Andrew Tate is to Baron Trump as Jeffrey Epstein was to Donald Trump.
So maybe Tate's extradition warrant disappears. Or maybe he "hangs himself" in a prison cell. Or maybe he does get extradited because the rumours aren't true or because Trump doesn't give a shit about his children enough to intervene.
BedSharkPal@lemmy.ca · 13 pts · 1d
Hopefully America is taking notes.
AfterlifeAdventures@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 1d
Well let's see if anything happens before we take notes also, who's in power there a nazi pedo running that country? kinda hard with imminent bullshit around every corner here
Archangel1313@lemmy.ca · 11 pts · 1d
(...Prosecution plays video of Tate openly and repeatedly admitting to every single charge, in detail...)
Rates lawyers: "Oh. Umm. Yeah, that. We can explain."
Naevermix@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 4h
Something tells me a guy like Tate would have a bad time in a Romanian prison.
anarchy79@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 3h
Nah man, fame and money actually helps a lot, especially in corrupt countries with an uneducated population.
They're like his target demographic.
plyth@feddit.org · 2 pts · 1h
Is eduvation a problem in Romania?
TronBronson@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1h
Its one of the worst in the Eurozone..
NatakuNox@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 22h
Treczoks@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 21h
So why didn't they keep him? They could have sent them back after doing time.
Jiral@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 20h
Because corruption and/or the US pushing hard for it and they'd not ready to fight over it.
Murse@slrpnk.net · 8 pts · 19h
Yay! ...now do Trump.
osanna@lemmy.vg · 7 pts · 17h
I am SHOCKED! SHOCKED! He's always been such an upstanding gentleman. I am truly shocked
::: spoiler spoiler /s :::
clanker_victim_555@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 23h
How did he get from Romanian custody to being free again?
Emma_Gold_Man@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 10h
Trump intervened
Novocirab@feddit.org · 5 pts · 4h
Extensive context about how the Trump administration used its power to protect Andrew Tate and why they shifted course can be found here at DemocracyNow (contains descriptions of extreme violence).
UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 21h
Gross, and not surprised.
Alexfire@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 19h
Q: What % of people that are abusive in the various ways, some even convicted of crimes, support controlling, authoritarian ways, vs warm and authoritative ways, equality, etc?
A: If you group all abusers together, roughly 85% to 90% actively support or default to controlling, authoritarian methods to handle their relationships. The remaining 10% to 15% might state they believe in equality or warmth, but their personal actions fundamentally break those principles due to antisocial traits or psychological instability. Scroll to the top for it all: share.google/aimode/LLyrxiS5JETGN3tzG
SteveLeo@piefed.social · 4 pts · 4h
May they throw away the key
tigermountain@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 16h
"...the world knows Andrew and Tristan are innocent."
Doug@piefed.social · 3 pts · 23h
Kick rocks and push daisies, you sewer-swimming stool.
BigMacHole@thelemmy.club · 3 pts · 1d
We need to PROTECT this no Matter HOW Much US Taxpayer Dollars it Takes!
-LITERALLY Republicans!
Malica@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 21h
New Epstein will never be punished
anarchy79@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 3h
He's just mad that he's bald.
dudeface@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1d
Can’t see how he could get out of this, have been fooled before though
Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 17h
I can't updoot this, it's at 666
Wildmimic@anarchist.nexus · 1 pts · 23h
I am someone who in most cases argues for rehabilitation instead of punishment. But for these two repeat offenders castration and lifelong hard labor are what i wish for - there is nothing to rehabilitate here, only protection for society to achieve, and what monetary reward they get for the bone-breaking work they have to do should be used as a pension for their victims.
bold_omi@lemmy.today · 4 pts · 19h
Castration is cruel and unusual punishment. Crimes like rape and murder warrant jail for life. But if we start mutilating people, we cannot be even vaguely just.
Wildmimic@anarchist.nexus · 1 pts · 12h
I know. It doesn't happen often that i leave the principle of rehab behind, because i believe that most people that commit crimes are just common people who had bad luck regarding where and in what community they were born, who they latched onto during the time growing up and so on. But there are some people (who we all know) who consistently keep getting away with this shit because of who they know and how much money they have - being the total opposite of the kind of people i talked above - and i just wish someone with less scruples than i have makes sure they cant hurt anyone anymore, regardless of what follows.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 23h
Excited for random Internet bot-posts spamming "Release The Tate Files" in another twenty years, while his closest personal friends are running half of Europe.