It seems the fediverse is continuing and growing again. Line go up is probably good!
https://fediverse.observer/stats&months=50
Total users are huge now.
There are many websites out there that pull data from the fediverse. So take that with a grain of salt. But anecdotally I am seeing a small rise in people using the various platforms as each get more mature and servers somewhat stabilize.
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OpenStars@discuss.online · 84 pts · 2d
Though the Threadiverse/Lemmy in particular is shrinking - as that same webpage shows when you filter for Lemmy, currently we have 33K monthly active users, down from 35K in recent months, itself further down from 40K in Dec. 2025, having fallen from 65K at the peak during Rexodus.
See also the graph for PieFed, which shows 7K MAUs.
Which I find highly notable, especially given how people are leaving Reddit... and also Lemmy/the Threadiverse as well.
Shadow@lemmy.ca · 35 pts · 2d
Why not just count the two together? At 40k across lemmy + piefed, that's not bad.
OpenStars@discuss.online · 11 pts · 2d
The website does not provide for that, which is why I mentioned both separately.
Note that the numbers then are still shrinking.
I personally have an account on both, which helps illustrate the difficulties of combining the two number pools - these are absolutely not additional people, or rather only some are but nobody knows how much.
Which reminds me, I think the way this website counts numbers, lemm.ee may not be represented at all, even as a decrease in counts from the past? If true, then the actual number of the drop is much larger than shown. But I don't know the details there.
I was avoiding commenting about the goodness or badness of the situation, just focusing on the direction of the change.
Hal@piefed.nz · 7 pts · 1d
Are the numbers actually shrinking for Lemmy+Piefed?
Lemmy has gone from 36,600 monthly active users to 33,600 users in the last year. A loss of 3,000 monthly active users.
Piefed has gone from 1,600 MAU a year ago to 6,900 MAU now, an increase of 5,300 users.
This means the total has increased by 2,300 MAU in the past year.
Note that this drop in Lemmy and rise in Piefed can be explained by lemmynsfw shutting down and being replaced by fedinsfw, which runs piefed and has 3,600 MAU. Arguably both Lemmy and Piefed are slowly gaining in MAU.
OpenStars@discuss.online · 4 pts · 1d
For one thing, Lemmy used to have 65K at its peak, so yes we definitely have dropped since then.
But as for how much or even whether we've dropped within the last year - which the graphs show but as you deservedly are saying that you would like confirmation for - I suspect that the answer is that nobody knows, really.
Like lemm.ee used to be one of the largest instances - so where did that traffic "go"? Moreover, is it still being counted now, e.g. as part of the 65K total, or with the entire instance having shut down, are its counts now removed from both the numerator and denominator?
While that situation was over a year ago now, it does illustrate that I personally at least have no idea how these numbers shown in the graph are being calculated. Nor do I trust them in the slightest - e.g. I know that I personally make up at least 2 of those MAUs, and maybe more depending on the month examined. Lemmy servers used to be significantly less stable than they are now, so whenever one would become almost entirely unresponsive for a few days, many of us active on the Threadiverse at that time would simply hop over to another alt. Plus some of us like to experience features first-hand like what does PieFed offer, in comparison to Lemmy.
On the other hand, I have no other source of numbers, so I discussed what was presented in front of us. 65K down to 33+/-~7K is already a large enough difference that I believe that we have lost many users. Plus we can see them all over the place talking about how displeased they are with their experience while here - over on Reddit, and Bluesky, and I'm not going to look but presumably also X, Facebook, Insta, etc.
Whether these numbers are valid over the last single year or not... I cannot truly say. Although that alone seems quite telling, given how horribly Reddit is treating its user base lately - e.g. beginning to (or is it done for everyone already) shut down old reddit, and blocking people that use a VPN, etc. The fact that many more people are not coming here already should be sufficient for us to make inferences about our popularity, separately from precisely how many people are actively leaving the Threadiverse or not.
For example, read the comments at https://www.reddit.com/r/fossdroid/comments/1uiywal/should_we_switch_to_lemmy/. Copying and pasting a few that I had highlighted previously:
Sadly, these seem representative of how people think of us here. You can see it for yourself too: simply browse most instances from an account without your existing blocks, in order to see what it is like from the eyes of a Redditor. Worse, they are primarily religious (Christian, Muslim, Mormon, whatever) centrists, and not only do they not FEEL welcomed here, but... in truth... they AREN'T ⁉️
Hal@piefed.nz · 8 pts · 1d
I don't think that's a fair comparison. That wasn't natural growth turning into natural decline, that was a giant influx of users that, even at the time, people were expecting only 10-20% of those would stay. It's kind of impressive we are still at half the peak.
I specifically use MAU as the measurement so that we don't have to worry about that. When an instance shuts down like that, you will see the total users drop a lot. But with MAU, after a month you're back with reasonably accurate figures, because users cannot be active on a shut down instance.
Total accounts is pretty useless. Early on after the big reddit influx, most instance had open registrations. You could see the millions upon millions of new accounts being added, but most of those turned out to be spam.
Many people have multiple accounts, but if there is nothing causing people to create more accounts, if the proportion of people with multiple accounts stays the same, then that shouldn't affect the assessment of whether or not the platform is growing.
Whether on not we are only retaining 10% of users doesn't really affect whether we are growing. If more people are joining than leaving, then we still grow. I remember being on Digg all those years ago, and I didn't really "get" reddit until I was forced to. What does it mean when reddit users come and see all these posts about beans? It's an inside joke that would make new users not feel like they belong, but also "getting" it is something that helps retain people.
Like one of those comments says, Lemmy probably will never be reddit. It's nature is that there are fringe groups that would shock people. When I go to Fediverse.observer, it recommends I join Hilarious Chaos because it's hosted near to me, but that would be a huge turnoff for most people.
On the other hand, the flagship instance of Piefed is more centralist, more aggressive with removing detracting users, and piefed in general has better onboarding and more tools with finding and dealing with problematic users. But it also makes it more reddit like, more censorship friendly. I think this means Piefed is likely to grow into a more reddit friendly platform. Currently Lemmy's new users seem to be a lot of people banned from reddit (rightly or wrongly), and I think we need the people not banned from reddit if we want a more welcoming experience.
But I also think we should feel comfortable being our own thing and not trying to grow into a huge reddit monstrosity. Many people like that they don't spend as long on Lemmy as they did on reddit, due to the lack of addictive algorithms and I'll argue, the lack of content to keep you busy 24/7.
I've said this before, I am happy with what appears to be slow natural growth. I don't think we need or should target massive growth. Our shareholders aren't all that interested in growth.
OpenStars@discuss.online · 2 pts · 1d
Fine, sure, let's set aside the 65K then, as an outlier.
But see the stats yourself at https://lemmy.fediverse.observer/stats. Now Lemmy shows 33K, last month it was 35K, a few months before that was 36K, before that 37K, at the turn of last year in Dec. 2025 there were 40K, and so on. This isn't "growth", this is "shrinking".
And since I am certain that there is a way to massage the stats (somehow) to get it to show a pattern of "growth", I will preemptively state that even if we were growing over this period in the past year, it's definitely not very much. So let's just agree that in the absolute very best point of view, Lemmy seems at most stagnant (or even actively shrinking) - even despite all of Reddit's abuses in the last year.
Everyone said to wait until Reddit got rid of old-reddit, and then more people would come here. Well, here we are, and they are not flocking here in droves, it's more like they are trickling in, but at less then the rate of attrition where more people leave than stay (or again, at the absolute very best, break even).
The multiple accounts thing was more about why don't we simply lump together Lemmy + PieFed to get a combined count for the entire Threadiverse at once (Mbin has <1K MAUs). I don't see as much point in making multiple Lemmy alts these days, when the major instances are more stable, but I do think that especially as PieFed continues to add such fantastic new features, that people are more likely to have both a Lemmy and a PieFed account.
So a lot of people making new PieFed accounts could be them migrating from Lemmy to PieFed... or they could simply be trying it out. i.e. like me, having two accounts, neither both on Lemmy nor both on PieFed, but rather one Lemmy and one PieFed. I see this very often especially among the most prolific posters, e.g. someone with a Lemmy.World account testing out or even stably maintaining also a PieFed.World one. Community moderation demands such behavior, though regardless of the reason, it makes cross comparisons between Lemmy and PieFed complicated. And we could get into even deeper scenarios, like someone who greatly prefers Lemmy, but since lemmynsfw.com migrated to fedinwfw.app, now maintains a separate PieFed account as well.
Moreover, I see shrinking rather than growth over the past year, but setting that aside, note that you can also adjust how far back the stats will show for, to see earlier trends. e.g. you can observe how in most of 2024 Lemmy had 45-55K MAUs. So even if we did manage to grow (rather than shrink) by like 1-2K, the background context is that would have occurred after having lost 20K MAUs over the past couple of years. This is entirely independent of the 65K peak, a year before that in July of 2023.
So wherever you consider the "high mark" to be - 65K, 55K, 45K, or even just 40K - we are below that now.
Sure, absolutely - but the "if" there is doing a lot of heavy lifting. Where are you seeing evidence of "growth" here? Even if you point to a specific month where that might be true, relatively speaking in comparison to the month before it, I am saying that in the long run, the overall trend that I see is downwards. Yes with some slight upswings along the way, but inexorably ever downwards. Not for Mastodon obviously, but for the Threadiverse/Lemmy
And perhaps that's okay? Or perhaps we could take the challenge to do better - e.g. find a way to avoid recommending places such as hexbear and hilariouschaos, because otherwise we are a Nazi/tankie/troll bar, indistinguishable from those others who we claim are "not" us, yet we do exceeding little to nothing at all to separate or even distinguish ourselves from such. Lemmy is the "we use Arch (Linux) btw" of the Fediverse - we here know about e.g. hilariouschaos, and take steps to avoid it, but we do next to nothing to help others not be recommended to outright join it over and above all other Threadiverse instances.
I think most of us here would be okay with that, with most likely massive differences in how people define "slow"😉. However, that's just not what I am seeing playing out, as it seems that year by year, we are in decline. Even at the time when bc of what is happening in Reddit you would have rather expected a significant increase.
Maybe something else will happen that will turn this around, but I don't know what. Instead, I think effort is going to be required, e.g. to find a way that hilariouschaos and hexbear do not get recommended to random people looking to escape Reddit, and will likely neither enjoy their time there nor be likely to stick around long enough to figure out how to do better. As you said, we need non-technical normal folks here, if we are to thrive.
Except that we keep turning them away.
Hal@piefed.nz · 3 pts · 1d
You make a lot of good points, and I think I agree with your overarching theme - we don't really know.
Piefed does a lot better job of not recommending the weird instances, and I do hope it overtakes Lemmy because ultimately Lemmy is built by a fringe group so they aren't going to stop recommending fringe groups.
I think that people are unlikely to keep using both Lemmy and Piefed long term. Piefed is new and exciting, in another year we should see people settling into an account and hopefully we'll have a better idea at whether the threadiverse is growing or shrinking.
Gullible@sh.itjust.works · 30 pts · 2d
I really wonder where they're going. I can't find any substitute for this little purgatory. Piefed? I'm not a fan of the UI. Masto? Twitter's a weird endless conversation space without proper organization and it makes me want to scream. Modern social media? We'd have vastly divergent desires if that's where they went.
Fizz@lemmy.nz · 17 pts · 2d
Hacker news has been a nice place to browse. Yes a lot of the people are the most AI silicon valley brained ghouls but its offset by the entertainment of seeing them earnestly say the quiet part out loud. and because the forum has rules about sincerity thoughtful engagement you can open a thread and actually read a good discussion with intelligent comments.
ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net · 11 pts · 2d
Hacker news generally flags and shuts down posts critical of tech bros, capitalism, or the right wing.
Lobste.rs is a better alternative to HN.
Fizz@lemmy.nz · 2 pts · 1d
There is a no politics rule but I see plenty of anti right wing, critical of tech bro and capitalism posts. The posts getting flagged are generally pretty low effort garbage.
eah@programming.dev · 3 pts · 2d
I wonder what it says about social media that a news aggregator started in 2007 whose minimalist interface hasn't changed much since then and which is operated by a venture capital firm to shovel ads for their own investments is literally peak social media for a certain demographic. Like, maybe that's all that's really needed. There should be a news aggregator for people who like cars or for people who like knitting or whatever and they should all look and behave just like Hacker News. A car company just needs to start one of these and do good moderation. Bingo. Social media is solved. Go home. It's over. All the ideas since then? Microblogging? ActivityPub? Subreddits/communities? Apps? It's all unneeded.
dreamkeeper@literature.cafe · 9 pts · 2d
Maybe they aren't going anywhere. Just dumping social media. I find Lemmy a lot less toxic than reddit but it's still basically a reddit hive mind.
OpenStars@discuss.online · 3 pts · 1d
Fwiw, a number of highly popular 3rd-party apps including Voyager now offer support for PieFed. Most do not provide the full range of features as compared to the web interface, though some like Interstellar provide the large majority of them - see fully detailed listing of each app and which features are supported at https://piefed.social/community/fediverse/wiki/piefed-app.
Anyway, I confirm first-hand that using Voyager to access a PieFed instance is nearly identical to accessing a Lemmy one, except for the gain in back-end functionality of PieFed doing what Lemmy cannot (e.g. you apply some settings rarely in the web UI - maybe a couple times a year - and then those continue to function as you switch to more daily usage in your app of choice).
So use whatever you like - sh.itjust.works seems to me to be a fine instance - but I'm just saying that for a new person joining the Threadiverse, the web browser UI of PieFed is not the only or even the main way that people can choose to access it.
Gullible@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 1d
I used to download an app for everything, but now I can't talk myself into so much as considering it. Unfortunately, it's web interface or nothing for me
OpenStars@discuss.online · 2 pts · 1d
If it's privacy you are worried about, note that several alternatives like Voyager are FOSS.
But otherwise, yeah then that leaves you with the web UI, or at most a pinned webapp, which constrains you to the standard web UI.
Unless the PyLova fork of PieFed begins offering more tweaks to the UI that you want to see. The developer team is actively soliciting suggestions and have implemented a couple of mine already - like adding downvotes next to upvote counts - so you might voice your preferences to them to see if they can address your concerns.
Gullible@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 1d
It started out about security before it turned into tool fixation. I prefer to have a robust catch-all for every situation, and web browsers fill that niche incredibly well. 99% of the time, I won't even consider anything besides hopping onto Firefox. The 1% is bullshit banking apps.
And I'm currently super busy, but I will absolutely check out pylova this weekend. If it is to pieced as mbin is to kbin, there's plenty for me to be excited about!
OpenStars@discuss.online · 2 pts · 20h
Pretty much, yeah. Except PieFed still exists whereas Kbin died off, though originally the two existed side-by-side. Rimu has even grabbed code from PyLova before, so I presume they will end up sharing back and forth despite the personal contention.
im_fine_sandy@nord.pub · 24 pts · 2d
People are just generally leaving the threadiverse because... Sorry everyone but its so bleak here.
The world is going to shit and there's nothing any of us can reasonably do about it.
I doubt there's a day that goes by that I don't think about how this place does not "fill my cup with joy".
At the same time I kind of can't look away because I do feel b that I'm better informed because I read about how shit everything is.
greatwhitebuffalo41@slrpnk.net · 8 pts · 2d
I honestly have one account where I just block all news. It's been very helpful
OpenStars@discuss.online · 5 pts · 1d
Yeah, literally all of the major communities here have politics constantly in them. If you ever need a break, there is e.g. https://nord.pub/topic/wholesome, but of course there's not even an hour a day's worth of material there.
Oh well, touching grass is a far better use of our time anyway, r-r-right!?!?
gandalf_der_13te@feddit.org · 3 pts · 1d
block all news
post stuff about things that you care about? gardening? horses? wildlife photography?
im_fine_sandy@nord.pub · 6 pts · 1d
My comment isn't asking how to improve my own personal experience, but an explanation of why users might be declining.
Arda@piefed.social · 1 pts · 1d
news.. Ewwww
Pamasich@kbin.earth · 17 pts · 2d
Worth noting, on FediDB, Lemmy+Piefed+Mbin is sitting at 54.8k MAU. Lemmy itself is at 46.4k. Though I don't know the historical situation there.
Die4Ever@retrolemmy.com · 2 pts · 2d
They always count higher, that doesn't mean we're growing. Pretty sure FediDB has shown over 60k Lemmy before.
OpenStars@discuss.online · 1 pts · 2d
That's highly odd. Hopefully someone looks into that more - perhaps there's a difference in what instances are allowed to be counted (like pure bot-spam and CSAM ones filtered by one site but not the other? I have no idea).
mesamunefire@piefed.social · 4 pts · 2d
Personally I think with ai crawlers, instances are coming up with their own ways of combatting the issue and the trackers are getting stuck in the crossfire. I have a few fediverse servers so some show up, some dont depending on the tracker.
OpenStars@discuss.online · 1 pts · 1d
Thank you for sharing, especially your first-hand perspective.
mesamunefire@piefed.social · 2 pts · 1d
Its kinda hard to extrapolate either way honestly. Its easy for me to say that 90+% of the traffic to my tiny home server is AI crawlers now. I have NO idea definitively for the others. When I made a python fix, it jailed quite a few IPs and now its not too much of an issue. But I did notice a couple of status servers like fedidb get incorrectly jailed.
So yeah. Fun times for admins.
OpenStars@discuss.online · 1 pts · 1d
Yeesh that's... horrifying. Hopefully new tools can be developed to make that process easier for you in the future.
mesamunefire@piefed.social · 2 pts · 1d
Thanks! And yeah it sucks! Locally me and a couple of individuals are trying to create a real meshnet. Its going well and got DNS/speeds above 20mbps now haha. But its truely all human traffic.
It doesn't solve this particular issue for anyone else but it is fun to just....throw something up without bot traffic.
MousePotatoDoesStuff@piefed.social · 17 pts · 2d
Looking at the PieFed graph, and all-time peak usage seems to be for last month, and the dip for this month could be explained by the month not being over yet (and even if not, it's not an indicator of decline).
OpenStars@discuss.online · 9 pts · 2d
Right: people are not so much leaving PieFed as they are leaving the Threadiverse overall, and Lemmy in particular.
Since the amount of growth in PieFed does not offset the decrease in MAUs in Lemmy (especially over the long term, from the 65K), people are still leaving "the Threadiverse" overall, even despite PieFed's recent growth.
I wanted to avoid commenting on the goodness or badness of these trends, but yes PieFed's recent growth is somewhat encouraging, though tiny.
MousePotatoDoesStuff@piefed.social · 2 pts · 2d
Fair enough.
mereo@piefed.ca · 15 pts · 2d
You can't just count Lemmy active users. I switched from Lemmy to Piefed for example. So we need to count Lemmy+Piefed.
Die4Ever@retrolemmy.com · 7 pts · 2d
PieFed's growth doesn't make up for Lemmy's decline
OpenStars@discuss.online · 3 pts · 2d
That's why I mentioned both. Though I also personally have accounts on both so... I definitely am keenly aware that these are not counts of actual human people, but rather user accounts.
ChunkMcHorkle@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 2d
For myself, I am spending less and less time online as the US midterms approach and I would not be surprised if others are doing the same. My time is better spent offline at the moment, but I haven't really left. Just taking more and more breaks for now.
gandalf_der_13te@feddit.org · 4 pts · 1d
just block all "US politics" communities and downvote every single post that mentions trump (or the democratic alternative candidate) that appears outside of those comms.
ChunkMcHorkle@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1d
As someone who engages in good-faith discussions, I like participating in those comms. Bad-faith participants do not limit themselves in the same way.
I can understand how you might think your proposal is a solution, but in the US the amount of political content is overwhelming and comes from every direction, especially online.
There is NO such thing as just blocking when it's everywhere, and if you can downvote it you've already read it. I need to not see it at all when I am not in the fact-checking kind of mood for it.
So the most perfect way to avoid the firehose of propaganda is to remove oneself from it altogether. See y'all in November -- or December, if shit gets real.
OpenStars@discuss.online · 2 pts · 1d
Fwiw, there are spaces such as https://nord.pub/topic/wholesome, and with that being a PieFed instance, can also offer blocking of any text keywords (like "Musk" or "Trump"). Stuff will still manage to come through (e.g. a preponderance of orange clowns with a fairly obvious meaning that nonetheless make it through the filters), but it can cut it down by a ton.
But if you just absolutely need to block it all, then I wish you happiness during your vacation from the bleakness! :-)
ChunkMcHorkle@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1d
Yeah, obviously if I'm on lemmy.world then I have to wait for those improvements. I have looked into moving instances, and I will save your comment; I appreciate the information.
In the meantime, thanks for the well-wishes, and same to you!
TeaWithDani@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 1d
Lemmy makes me use social media considerably less. That's a plus.
TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 2d
i mean, can you blame them?
it sucks. it sucks wading through moutains of dogshit and miserable crazy people to like, get a trickle of good and interesting content, or have exchange comments with reasonable chill people.
for every good interaction i have on here, there are probably 10+ other ones, and everyday I have to systemtically block new communities and users that are nothing but bot spam or straight up malicious users who are pushing a delusional and angry political agenda. and it works... those types of accounts/posts get lots of engagement, way more than organic stuff.
and you can go to their comment history and see account is less than a month old, and has 100s of posts and 1000s of comments and they are all... the same thing over and over and over.
a year ago i never had to deal with that on fediverse platforms. i'm now thinking of leaving myself because it just... increasingly sucks here and I don't have an interest in being relentlessly negative and angry like most of content here is. i also don't have a superiority complex being here either.
hamid@crazypeople.online · 4 pts · 1d
The problem is that Lemmy is trying to be Reddit instead of being something better. Reddit's model was always flawed: a central feed of endless content where the community is secondary to the algorithm and the upvote chase. That model rewards outrage, spam, and bot farms because those things generate engagement.
The old forums worked differently. A forum was a place you went to for a specific topic or community. The content and the discussion lived together. You knew the regulars. Moderation was local and accountable. There was no algorithm shoving rage bait into your feed because there was no feed in the modern sense.
Lemmy instances should be built like those old forums. Each instance should feel like a real site with its own culture and purpose, not just a node in a Reddit clone. The posts and the community should be the reason people stay, not a firehose of engagement bait.
Splitting the forums away from the content sites was the mistake. We need to put them back together.
TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 3h
Yeah, agree about old forums. Miss that.
But also it did work well on reddit when it was a small niche community of like 10,000 or less users. the problem is growth destroyed most communities on reddit because you can't sustain a niche community with 100,000+ people, it enevitably becomes slop
Lux18@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1d
Yeah, and everybody is saying block communities/users whatever. But there's barely any engagement outside of those that you want to block! So yeah, what's the point of being here then.
TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 3h
Yeah, you're right.
All you can do is try to contribute to more chill spaces, but the majority of the activity is going to be nutty people with crazy beliefs endlessly repeating themselves in a circlejerk, because well, they have vastly different priorities in life than more moderate and well-adjusted folks.
OpenStars@discuss.online · 2 pts · 1d
Fwiw, it gets this way right before every single election in most western nations - especially a USA one.
And you can go to places such as lemmygrad.ml and read how proud they are at creating tools to subvert any and all bans - e.g. the automation of a process to simply cycle through all registered accounts in an app until one is found that is not blocked at the instance, community, or for a comment reply the user level (possibly by now, even including the creation of a new one if necessary?).
NO, to some, means to simply push forward all the harder. It's Man vs. Bear, and they've chosen their side: incel. It is intentional and even purposeful - strategic in fact, a "winning" approach, if the goal is to convey a message regardless of your interest in receiving it.
SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 2d
The big problem is I have no idea what feds are out there since it is all distributed so it feels like you are wandering in a dead mall sometimes.
BurgerBaron@quokk.au · 3 pts · 2d
Either way. I'm here until the end or a rebound. The internet is dead and what I replace decentralised internet with is nothing, I'll just go offline permanently when it comes to social media.
So, here's hoping for a rebound cuz I'm having fun.
technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 2d
Not that I care about PieFed.... But all of those graphs are going up.
OpenStars@discuss.online · 1 pts · 1d
Absolutely, but not as much as Lemmy is going down, so the Threadiverse overall is decreasing its MAUs - not merely shifting from Lemmy to PieFed.
gandalf_der_13te@feddit.org · 1 pts · 1d
i think we need better federation with mastodon. at least, mastodon users should be able to see lemmy content and interact with it. (i can understand that the reverse, i.e. seeing mastodon content from lemmy is technically challenging)
that would give more exposure and interaction.
also not federating with mastodon would mean to break the promise of the fediverse, that it's all (somewhat) compatible.
OpenStars@discuss.online · 2 pts · 1d
PieFed is working on that. Seeing the pace of development of Lemmy, I highly doubt that it ever will.
There are quite a number of challenges to overcome though. e.g. if you suddenly had tend to hundreds of people "following" you, how would that make you feel?
On the Threadiverse we tend to prefer to remain anonymous - as a quick glance at usernames can attest - while on the Fediverse the set of expectations are different.
TheStaffmaster@lemmy.world · 58 pts · 2d
Reddit is an AI dumpster fire. There are still decent communities, but the glory days are behind it (the 20teens). Reddit circa 2012-15' was peak. Now it's an AI slop infested milquetoast facebook alternative. Damn shame. Hopefully the user base will finally realize the ship has sailed straight up it's own corporate butthole, and seek alternatives, such as this one.
Zarobi@aussie.zone · 18 pts · 2d
I checked just now and it's still the same slop as when I abandoned it.
Feels like I haven't missed anything at all
SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 2d
Endless nostaglia, "remember this?" posts
OpenStars@discuss.online · 6 pts · 1d
Fwiw this is mainly the most popular subs. The niche subs are much more chill, though still Reddit hence full of bot spam, influencers trying to pretend to offer organic content that was not bought and paid for, and people who overall are just spoiling for a fight (which if we are honest, the latter category used to include most of us here?:-).
Not that I am advocating for Reddit, mind you, just saying that you either have to go to where the content is - Facebook, Insta, Reddit, Xhitter/Bluesky, Tiktok - or else give up on knowing stuff altogether. Which if you are talking about like events in your local town, then at least Reddit seems preferable to the others?
Obligatory fuck spez, I'm just acknowledging that the network effect is real, yo.
Zarobi@aussie.zone · 1 pts · 1d
Yeah agreed. Honestly my main issue with Reddit is the algorithm and "doomscroll" effect. I don't like how I felt after using Reddit and how addicting it was. I found myself feeling anxious, stressed, and tense after using it; it wasn't good for my mental health. I used to use the third party apps because I could control my experience better, but we all know what happened there.
At least here I can add keyword filters and such to Voyager. And my favourite feature of Lemmy is that it ends. I can read all there is to read in the last 24 hours. I don't get a repeating loop of content algorithmically selected to maximise my engagement. I don't see anything outside my bubble by default unless I'm feeling like exploring in "all".
Maybe if the "ability to turn off algorithm" law passes in Australia, I might return for some of the niche communities. But I honestly feel mentally healthier since quitting Reddit. Deleted my 15 year old account, no regrets.
OpenStars@discuss.online · 2 pts · 1d
Same. I noticed that I had become argumentative, even combative, and I got to where I would write out whole responses and then just delete them rather than send, knowing what replies I was almost certain to receive. It's not a place for good faith discussions... at least, not anymore, and that was true even by the time of the Rexodus/APIcalypse.
Any social media - including the Threadiverse - can be addictive. Fortunately there is no real incentive here to do so, and many blocks in place to prevent it actually - like as you noted, limiting scrolling to pages rather than allow infinite.
Extremely unfortunately, niche communities don't exist here and so you have to go to wherever those are. But I find myself lurking with no desire to engage, most of the time even in the form of voting. I like the OC but the system that presents it is distasteful to me, to put it mildly, and I find that extremely off-putting.
Bluescluestoothpaste@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 23h
Fuck all that, idk it's good for kids to find stuff because they were literally born a few years ago, but if you're an adult you should know those sites really exist to mine you for data and you can just reach out to someone directly if you're interested in what they're working on.
Pollo_Jack@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 2d
2014-2015, when r/conservative was pushed to the front page on the regular despite r/conservative banning over half of all people that post in r/conservative?
SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 2d
To be fair every political sub, and even the news subs, ban anyone who doesn't conform to the echo chamber.
TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 2d
the right-wing subs had high engagement, that pushed them to the front page often.
TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 2d
and when they come here they will bring all their miserable drama-seeking nonsense behaviors with them.
FudgyMcTubbs@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 2d
Are you ready to get banned? Because that kind of talk will get you banned once they hold the reins.
You're getting banned! And you're getting banned! And you're getting banned!
Want to read more Lemmy? Download the app and log in!
TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 2d
this made me laugh, from despair, but laugh nonetheless.
at least in real life I have the foresight to leave the premises when those folks show up to the party.
online I'm too optimistic to think people won't actively misconstrue everything I type into an absurd parody of what I actually said. Only on the internet if I say "i dated a 14 year old when I was 15" am I told that makes me a pedophile and I'm promoting pedophilia, but apparently that's how people think today.
OpenStars@discuss.online · 2 pts · 1d
On the internet we seem to have forgotten: good fences make good neighbors.
When we feel like we are forced into platforming every single batshit insane ideology - like hexbears to name one, though your instance at least had the foresight to defederate from it early on - then we expose people to all the dregs that social media can offer to people.
Like, how can two adults converse with one another, when surrounded by children screaming their heads off - which is not "wrong", but like... can't there even be so much as one room where that level of noise is prevented?
Anyway, I agree that Lemmy's blocking tools are vastly inferior to the task of trying to deal with the situation that you mentioned. The upcoming release of Lemmy 1.0 will help somewhat, by allowing mods to receive remote reports from other instances, but it still would need a LONG way to go - like e.g. implement a true instance blocking capability.
TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 3h
yeah well, that's why the internet was better when it was mostly people of similar dispositions and beliefs.
OpenStars@discuss.online · 2 pts · 2h
I would argue that the Internet with all its glorious diversity (including e.g. both kids and the olds) is far better today, yet still the Intolerance Paradox is real.
When no means "push forward harder" that will simply never be okay. People will find ways to avoid it, e.g. by leaving the Threadiverse entirely, which already offers next to no OC so what then do we offer to someone? A hexbear tankie screaming "death to the Western World", apparently (note the extremist "death to", not the calmer "fall of", let's say capitalism, but violent "death", plus the refusal to limit the target to an economic system and instead leaving open the ambiguity of whether that includes every single person living in a nation that practices it).
I don't blame Redditors for noping right out of that...
And fortunately some progress has been made, just not quite enough if someone can be randomly assigned to go to hilariouschaos or hexbear, rather than sent to an instance that is more in line with the recipient's preferences.
TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1h
which is why being able to block entire instances is necessary... because some of them overwhelmingly populated by mentally ill nutcases who feel entitled to harass everyone who doesn't believe their insanity.
and who think any tepid disagreement with them, is akin to physical violence against their person.
SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 2d
Wait until they start paying the mods (which I've heard is in the works), who are already insufferable assholes.
1984@lemmy.today · -6 pts · 2d
You couldn't have certain reddit subreddits here. For example, I follow r/Sverige which is the political right's Sweden channel. And they talk about immigration as a major problem. How open would Lemmy be to discussions like that? It can't even handle different opinions without defederation, downvoting and blocking.
No, i think Lemmy is good for memes and stuff but it can't handle discussions that adults wants to have.
oeuf@slrpnk.net · 24 pts · 2d
I don't think there would be anything stopping them spinning up instances. It would be up to others whether they want to see their posts though.
I'm a leftie but I can handle having a conversation about immigration, as long as it's mature, lucid and respectful.
LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net · 11 pts · 2d
Well then you're in the minority. I do think it's a problem that you can't post what on most other platforms would be viewed as mainstream viewpoints without being threatened by censorship. And I do not agree with these viewpoints but at the same time, if the average person cannot post here without walking on eggshells, the fediverse will never be mainstream.
And I want it to be mainstream because fuck the tech oligarchs.
Quokka@quokk.au · 19 pts · 2d
You can post racist drivel here, it will just be rightfully treated like it is.
What you can’t do on mainstream platforms is post leftist content, which you actually can here. Like Lemmy was pretty much invented because leftists got their comm banned from Reddit. They routinely censor us, like with Meta shutting down countless queer pages and spaces as of late.
SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 2d
Reddit is full of left leaning subs.
TheStaffmaster@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1d
just because you lean left it doesn't mean you are left. It means your ass is still squarely in the center. Being "Leftist" is to have the tacit understanding that the far right means to eradicate progressive thought by any means necessary, and that any threats of violence from "our" side are spoken from a place of self defence. The right does not want "discussion" to lead to compromise, they want it to lead to compliance. Besides, we've "been having the discussion" since the 1970's and as every hostage negotiator knows: if you keep them talking, they aren't acting. It's a stalling tactic.
Pollo_Jack@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 2d
LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net · 2 pts · 1d
The fediverse is not a safe space, excepting a few instances like blahaj.
People can and should make instances for different philosophies but my concern is that any instance that doesn't enforce leftist purity is going to be defederated.
poVoq@slrpnk.net · 13 pts · 2d
People learning what the overton window is and that it can be very much different depending on the place you are in (i.e. instances in the case of the fediverse, but also to a lesser extend the fediverse itself) is a good thing in my view.
LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net · 5 pts · 2d
They're not going to learn about it because most people who join the fediverse end up leaving and they don't recruit anyone else.
The Overton window would be moved by people being exposed to far left ideas and finding them more reasonable than expected. But the community does a very poor job of doing that currently.
OpenStars@discuss.online · 4 pts · 1d
It's far worse than that: after leaving they continue to talk about us, as someone might do for an unfaithful ex, trashing our reputation. We can be toxic AF here, with little to no warning labels about which spaces have what echo chamber policies in place; only people with extraordinarily thick skins can stand this space, especially for long periods of time.
poVoq@slrpnk.net · 2 pts · 2d
I don't quite agree. The people that leave silently (the overwhelimingly large majority) don't leave as an active decision, but rather fail to come back because there isn't enough interest (or nagging notifications).
And for people to realize their overton window is scewed to the right it is sufficient to be exposed to left wing ideas, no need to find them reasonable. The regular existence of these ideas in discourse is sufficient.
TheStaffmaster@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1d
people don't stay because reddit exists and that's where the eyeballs are.
oeuf@slrpnk.net · 8 pts · 2d
It's probably worth remembering that censorship and moderation are two sides of the same coin.
And they're not just used to silence viewpoints (like you're saying about the Fediverse) but also an absence of it is exploited to keep people addicted to ragebait and jealousy (mainstream).
I think it's a fundamental problem of social media as a technology tbh, and we'd be mostly better off without it.
TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 2d
the majority of fediverse content is already ragebait and echo chambers. it's been that way for well over a year IME, and it's escalating day by day.
the problem is people who love ragebait and echo chambers don't see them as such, they see them as the one true reality and are incapable of acknowledging other perspectives on the world exist, and anyone who doesn't share in their raging is evil and bad and tacitly supports the evil bad people.
and i won't even go into the victim complex mentalities that dominate most communities here. the second you suggest anyone has agency over their lives... except a hostile and violent reaction or your comments being reported as hate speech.
OpenStars@discuss.online · 1 pts · 1d
Tbf, this is done by extremists on both sides, hence seems a function more of extremism than of anything else.
SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 2d
Moderation should be done with a light hand.
TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 2d
the problem is people confused moderation with their personal opinions and feelings.
they can't separate the two concepts out, and they act emotionally, and hypocritically.
i cracked a joke once about a popular tourist destination, and got banned from the sub I posted it in... because the mod just visited said destination... basically because I 'hurt their feelings'. and they openly admitted to it when I asked why... and the other mods all agreed it was a perfectly fine reason to temp ban me for a 'bad attitude'.
that was 2019. and things only got more insane/worse in that sub and every other sub. got banned a few times in my local city sub for... supporting the mayor that I liked. reason my comments were removed 'they were sexist/racist' and I was like 'how can supporting a non-white female mayor be sexist and racist?' and banned...
and well, the world has followed suite. nothing makes sense anymore, and everything is twisted and misconstrued by insane people and other insane people believe them and anyone who tries to point out is demonized as 'the enemy'. folks don't even pretend anymore to care about objectivity or truth, and if they are ever referenced they are now no longer ideals to guide us, they are 'oppressive tools of the colonialist patriarchy' for the leftists, or 'destroying traditional values' by the rightoids.
SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 2d
A little power corrupts a lot.
TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 2d
yep. you can't believe in pragmatic sensible middle grounds without being told you should die or get PMs about how they are going to rape you.
Like... what if we had limited and legal and sensible immigration policies?
No, that's facism and you're a nazi and you support genocide... lol
and all these dimwits preach how 'tolerant and loving and accepting they are' of other people... except they aren't. they are the nazis they claim to hate so much, and their 'standard' is 'well i'm justified in my violent and rage as long as anyone who is ever right-wing exists' and will tell you how how that isn't an extremist position, how they the 'paradox of tolerance' means they are the 'good guy' fighting the 'bad guys'.
that said i've seen some good discussions of the paradox... but all the good thoughtful takes get down voted and the 'but we have to kill the nazis' takes get upvoted. because on lemmy being thoughtful and debating and trying to understand things makes you a nazi. just like doing so on any right wing only space makes you a mentally ill leftist.
daychilde@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 2d
fuck u, u got cooties
(just trying to hit all three points :) )
TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 2d
on lemmy it's more the lefties who call you names than the righties.
should be fun when it's both... but by then you will start getting banned because both will report you to mods/admins for 'harassment'
already had a couple of incidents the past few months where someone told me to kill myself, I reported i, and my comments were removed as the 'harassing' ones. blows my mind, but that's how reddit became a few years ago.
disagreement is seen as assault, and legit threats and violence are seen as an appropriate response
Zarobi@aussie.zone · 5 pts · 2d
I've got you tagged as "aggressive responder" so maybe the mods had a point?
TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 2d
my kindergarten teachers used to send to the principle's office for 'asking too many questions'.
turns out a lot of people get really mad when question what they say and 100% believe them at their word... and even angrier when they can't articulate what they mean with any specificity beyond empty buzzwords.
Lemmy is full of wannabe intellectuals that have no idea what they are talking about and yea, they think it's 'aggressive' when you call them out on their bullshit takes, and supremely angry when you point out how deeply hypocritical they are. and their reply is usually 'go kill yourself'.
Zarobi@aussie.zone · 4 pts · 1d
I dunno anything about the specific thread. I'm only highlighting that maybe it's a sign to reflect on how you communicate with others on here, since it's not an isolated incident. It's possible to question people without hurting them or using harsh language.
For what it's worth, I had a really rough time in my entire school life as well. I also tend to ask questions and point out inconsistencies, rather than "going with the flow" or accepting things at face value. I ended up with a 30% attendance rate, for various reasons. The difference here is that most people don't have the authority to retaliate to disobedience, other than using strong words or downvoting me.
Personally, I often run into people on here who want to "argue semantics" rather than the spirit of the argument. They have their dictionary out and are ready to endlessly debate the definitions of every word in a comment, while also refusing to actually read what I wrote properly and misquoting me out of context to look bad. It's not fun or interesting, and language isn't as important as they think it is. I used to get mad at them for arguing in bad faith, but now I just disengage with them or tag or block them if they're really bad.
FlyingCircus@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1d
Yep, TubularTittyFrog is one of a handful of accounts that I recognize as regularly commenting something reactionary, rude, or ignorant. Usually all three, and then they get angry when people disagree.
SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 2d
I can count the number of mature arguments I've had on reddit on one hand. I frequently compliment the other person for being so decent.
TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1d
i remember having arguments like that on reddit on a daily basis. but that was a over a decade ago.
and sadly i keep thinking i'll be able to find that again... but it won't ever happen.
TheStaffmaster@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1d
the only discussion about immigration should be "If you don't like immigrants, then stop supporting foreign policies that make their countries of origin shitholes, so they don't want to leave in the first place."
Oh no! but that might mean BROWN PEOPLE have (GASP!) "agency!!!" (Clutches pearls and faints)
rumba@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 2d
Nothing is stopping you from making a community and then banning people until it is sufficiently echo-chambered for you. ML or Hexbear might even welcome you.
I personally know several expats living in Sweden. I'm pretty aware of both sides of the discussion. From the outside, it comes off mostly tone-deaf, but with some real points around failing to integrate immigrants. There's also a significant amount of FUD and interference trolling, riling people up.
For people living in Sweden, it's a hotbed of controversy as the places you consider safe are changing around you.
Would anti-immigraition accepted in open arms in lemmy general social forums? Absolutely not.
But if you want your own echo chamber, there are places that would allow it.
1984@lemmy.today · 0 pts · 2d
Was that a response to me? I definently don't want to own the discussions. I just said people want to discuss it and Lemmy is not a good place for it.
People will discuss it on reddit. It's fine. :)
About Sweden, yes it's a "hotbed" to say the least, the same as in Europe overall. Its not popular with massive immigration but since we can't discuss that here, let's not.
rumba@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 1d
If you want random people across the world to validate Sweden's distaste for immigrants, no, you won't like the outcome here.
1984@lemmy.today · 0 pts · 1d
Again with the validate. :) Do you get your opinions validated here by random Lemmy users?
About immigration, why can't people dislike immigration by muslims for example? It's happening all over Europe and im actually curious why you and others think it's an opinion people shouldn't have. Is it because you don't care about the culture in your own country?
Is it because you don't think it changes the culture of a country, or that you are fine with the changes?
rumba@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 23h
Good luck with all that, gonna block ya there bud
1984@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 23h
Yeah you better do that. :)
freudian_slop@programming.dev · 4 pts · 2d
There are few instances claiming that they will do less strict moderation and defederations.
However I haven't check those instances myself yet.
jumping_redditor@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 2d
any specific ones for lemmy?
Quokka@quokk.au · 8 pts · 2d
Sh.itjust.works is one I think in terms of not defederating.
A big issue with not doing moderation is it pretty much leads you to becoming a Nazi bar and getting defederated by others.
jumping_redditor@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 2d
It really sucks how many instances defederate over nothing
Unique_Emerald_Sol_I@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 1d
(・_・;)
FWIW, I joined that instance because it had the only RWBY community I could find.
(Also love the FLCL avatar)
TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 2d
bold of you to assume there are any adults here.
lambalicious@lemmy.sdf.org · 2 pts · 2d
We already had the discussion on "immigration" and "undesirables" and other right-wing dogwhistles in the 1940s. Didn't end too well for them. The problem is, we have forgotten the ancient texts.
1984@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 2d
Ancient texts about...?
People will obviously have opinions about immigration
Scrollone@feddit.it · -2 pts · 1d
The kind of immigration we had in the 40s was way different than the one we have nowadays though. Come to Italy and you'll see what l mean. You would be scared to walk alone at night.
lambalicious@lemmy.sdf.org · 4 pts · 1d
Careful, your colours are showing.
The kind of immigration countries like Italy face today is exactly the one they asked for: Europe raked Africa and parts of Asia (not to mention the Americas) with colonialism and imperialism for centuries, extracting produces and value for the shareholders while leaving behind famine, plague and war. The least they owe the African and American peoples is to take them in, the same way they took everything else from their lands.
If not that, they should work to restore what they took or destroyed, in terms of not only economy but also society.
Scrollone@feddit.it · 0 pts · 1d
I don't agree with your vision. I agree with the fact that some European countries stole resources from Africa, but Italy in particular didn't rake pretty much anything: Italy didn't have big colonies until Mussolini tried to build his own empire after 1930, without much success anyway; they only made some mess in Libya and in the Horn of Africa, which are not even the places all those immigrants are coming from.
Plus, the real problem is that there's somebody else currently raking Africa: it's China.
Since China is coming out of poverty, they need somebody to take advantage of, and they decided to "colonize" Africa. Not real colonization like Europe did in previous centuries, but a silent control of their economy, slowly buying their politicians and their natural resources extraction companies.
I don't think that the right reparations for what Europe did in the past is welcoming all kinds of immigrants with no control whatsoever.
First, indiscriminate immigration leads to ghettos and poverty, and a lack of integration.
Second, so many immigrants is the perfect way for far right wing parties to win elections, by appealing to the base instincts of people. Even worse now, because Russia is directly financing both far right wing parties and misinformation campaigns in general.
SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 2d
Someone start it on the ML Lemmy :D
Gorgritch_umie_killa@aussie.zone · 1 pts · 2d
Doesn't matter how open 'the fediverse' is or not to a point of view if the admin of your server are happy to have it, it will exist here. Especially when we're talking raw numbers like this, they should all be piling into the same bucket, if we're measuring fediverse. But as I say this I wonder what the definitions they're using are.
For instance very different views are expressed on Truth Social, which I'm led to believe could connect to the fediverse, but choose not to. So I wonder if those numbers are included, i expect not because they'd not be connected as a fediverse participant by my understanding.
The point is, other people don't have to put up with it in their corners of the fediverse if they don't. This is the freedom of choice benefit that a network like the fediverse has over a centralised platform like fb, reddit, or even BlueSky. This is a fundamental difference in levels of control that makes the fediverse such an exciting project.
Its not necessarily the case that each individual user has full control of these settings, although they mostly do, and if they set up and maintain their own instance they absolutely will. But it is the case that a user has greater control to a point where its practically individualised, and if there were a case where some greater disconnection is warranted the admins aren't some amorphous presence that travel between dimensions unseen, they have a presence in their servers and have a level of accessibility thats unheard of in previous forms of social media. Theres also a community of admins, who can learn and build off each other, which is beneficial in a cooperative-competition kind of way.
Anyway, you probably already knew all this. I ended up finding typing this out was a fun exercise to appreciate for a moment what this network is actually delivering to a couple million people.
TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 2d
it's fine to allow users to block what they want, or downvote it, or block other users.
the issue is when admins and mods basically want use their own to systematically remove anything they don't like, and then claim they are the arbiters of truth justice and all that. it's the hypocrisy.
it's also when non-hostile ideas are expressed, and viewed as hostile and violent by the damaged people who are emotionally allergic to anything that isn't already in their comfort zone.
Gorgritch_umie_killa@aussie.zone · 4 pts · 2d
You're talking about behaviours, i'm talking about structures. The structure of the fediverse, gives users the option to disengage, find their own spaces.
No one admin has control over this thing, no one mod controls a whole subject. They at best can control a popular community on that subject. They piss people off, people can find another server, another mod very easily. They can even import all their old data with fedibridge, i've bever tried that though.
Take world news as the subject.
The fragmetation of multiple world news communities across multiple servers is good. Think of each of those world news communities and their mods as bringing a certain framing to the subject, their own biases even. Then you can equate them to the world news sections of different newspapers.
In the old days you had The Atlantic, The Tribune, The Sun, The New York Times, etc. Now we have c/worldnews.beehaw, c/worldnews.lemmyworld, c/worldnews.aussiezone, and a plethora of others, with comparatively low barriers to entry than news papers.
Yes the base articles are often the same, but the comment threads are different, and the base articles selected are different. So the articles being the same is not really too different from The Atlantic buying in from a news provider like Reuters.
Grail@multiverse.soulism.net · -1 pts · 2d
We don't want that kind of stuff here. Those people aren't welcome. There are plenty of nice people we can welcome instead.
1984@lemmy.today · 0 pts · 2d
I know. :)
stopforgettingit@lemmy.world · 45 pts · 2d
I joined Lemmy, like 3 years ago I think. But I didn't start being active until this year. I think there is a lot of people like me, especially now that you have to log in to see old reddit. https://old.lemmy.world/ really tipped me over the edge in to being a regular.
rumba@lemmy.zip · 24 pts · 2d
Leaving Reddit wasn't easy. I read the tea leaves and left at apigate.
I had already eschewed Youtube API and was keeping Facebook out of arms length,
I poked around Bluesky for a while, it had a very strong pull.
I do not need machine-fed unlimited social media and news I don't thrive on it. Doomscrolling is not a good hobby.
stopforgettingit@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 2d
Yea, reddit has been a serious habit for me for almost 20 years, never been on Insta or Facebook or any other SM platform like I was on reddit, everyday all day in the background. Its been a hard one to break.
shittydwarf@piefed.ca · 6 pts · 2d
One of us!
One of us!
orioler25@lemmy.world · 26 pts · 2d
Yeah, you can tell, way more conservative liberals on here than there used to be.
mangobanana@discuss.online · 3 pts · 2d
Isn't that an oxymoron? How can you be both conservative and liberal?
Cowbee@lemmy.ml · 18 pts · 2d
Conservatives are a subset of liberals.
adjectivenoun@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 1d
So are almost all progressives.
Cowbee@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 1d
Sure, at least those that call themselves progressives. The left begins at anticapitalism, which is a hard break from liberalism.
realcaseyrollins@hilariouschaos.com · 2 pts · 2d
I wouldn't say that. Conservatism, at its core, is about preserving a specific way of life, while liberalism is about finding a balance between a laissez faire form of governance and having an ordered society. They aren't congruent in terms of political policy.
CrimeIsLegalNow@ani.social · 3 pts · 1d
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism
Conservatism depends on the context within the nation, but Anglosphere conservatives at a minimum work within a liberal democratic context. Everything listed under ideological liberalism is something "conservatives" used to claim as their values.
Used to. That "conservatives" are openly embracing fascism as their "third way" is reflected in that very Wikipedia article which has been radically changed from it's state even from last year as I recall.
That the article has been changed to claim the "three main ideologies" of the past century as "liberalism, socialism, and conservativism" is some straight up scary revisionist nonsense. Just ask yourself which of those three fascism belongs to and you'll understand why.
Churchill was a Conservative. The Australian Liberal Party are conservatives, etc etc etc.
In other words, there is the ideological definition of liberal, of which conservativism is supposed to be a branch, and there's the casual usage that means "right winger" and that is contextual and rapidly coming to mean fascist.
realcaseyrollins@hilariouschaos.com · 3 pts · 1d
I don't think that means that conservatives are liberals, I think that means that they're liberals who changed their minds or abandoned their values.
adjectivenoun@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 1d
This is basically it. Classic liberalism is everything from Margaret Thatcher to Bernie Sanders. The MAGA movement has regressed to fascism--a form of corporate authoritatianism.
orioler25@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 2d
Person below is using an incorrect understanding of liberalism too (economic).
When I say liberal, I'm referring to the political philosophy of liberalism, which is rooted in individualism and capital, and emerged through the cisheteropatriarchal and white supremacist system of settler-colonialism. People perceive of this as meaning "progressive" or "freedom" because much of the early rhetoric surrounding liberalism (such as the early republican era in the Americas) involved a claim to moral righteousness under the guise of individual freedoms. Liberalism is the philosophy of capitalism as an economic system (which the other commenter here misidentified as liberalism), but it would be distortive to not recognize the specificities of either respectively.
Since liberalism has been the proponent of capitalism and EuroAmerican imperialism for the past couple centuries, it has developed a durability through the appropriation and subsequent assimilation of potentially challenging political movements; such as those based in social justice. Consequently, liberals have effectively coopted the language of equality and progress as natural elements of its politics, despite it consistently disarming and presently continues its genocidal campaign against vulnerable groups.
Conservatism is less a cohesive set of politics than it is the rhetoric of liberals with grievances about the failure of the system to deliver the privilege they feel entitled to, and which this system does assure them. So, a conservative liberal may vaugely subscribe to the notion of "anti-racism" but will inevitably subscribe to racist values that are more consistent with the imperatives of a white supremacist system than they are challenging of it.
Most people in Europe and North America subscribe to liberalism. Most liberals lack a level of political literacy to identify how they subscribe to it, and many mistake themselves as "leftists" or non-liberal "conservatives," even though their values are actually closely aligned. Since I genuinely do not subscribe to liberalism, many liberals on Lemmy self-report when they take issue with some genuine anti-racism, or any anti-bigotry in general when it doesn't align with their comfort level (most of which have been Canadians or Euros who feel free to openly express these views with the confidence that they're "better than Americans").
majster@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 1d
I really do not get your point of tying liberalism with colonialism. Fact is that colonialism was done by European monarchies which weren't liberal states at the time. The power structures were feudal. They were only beginning to transition into liberal democracies.
orioler25@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 20h
I'm sorry, could you explain how colonialism was confined to, based on what you're saying here, at latest the eighteenth century? Even then, you're saying you don't understand how a political system that emerged in the exact places colonialism benefitted represents a political system that emerged out of colonialism?
majster@lemmy.zip · 0 pts · 8h
Colonialism peaked in 19th century when countries doing it werent liberal democracies. Universal suffrage for men became thing only at the end of century. But widespread demands started in 1848. Before that voting was restricted to income/tax/property.
Not all european liberal democracies had colonies. But it is true that those countries that had them, didn't decolonize after liberalization.
orioler25@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 5h
Oh, lying. Well, that makes the most sense, really.
No, liberalism ("liberal democracy" is a bit of a misnomer) did not emerge at the end of the nineteenth century just because you want to pretend it only counts as liberalism when it includes you. As I said in my original comment, liberalism has always used the rhetoric of freedom and equality while enforcing fundamentally unequal and oppressive systems of power. No, it doesn't start being "real" liberalism when non-property owning men get the right go vote (which, source on thar weirdly specific and inaccurate 1848 date? Go look up Jacksonian Democracy in the 1820s and -30s,, it was something widely demanded from the beginning of the United States). By this merit, there is no such thing as liberalism today, because it isn't an idealized version of itself yet; literally a rationalizing narrative to construct the violence of liberalism not as an inevitability or necessity of this system, but an unfortunate failure of it to live up to the "real" liberal values.
I could tell this was some Euro pro-imperialism narrative before you got to that second section too. This is the kind of historical revisionism they typically deploy to make this brutal system seem coincidental with rather than emergent from the violence they inflicted on the world. No, liberalism does not only need to exist in states that we associate with colonialism (even if it did, it wouldn't be accurate to act like borders stopped material interests in a system of colonialism). Liberalism came from systems that did rely on settler-colonialism for a reason, which is the same reason why the system of knowledge production on race, gender, ability, ethnicity, and humanity that we are forced to engage with happens to construct human life around the imperatives of that system. Could you explain how you're conscious of colonialism while only discussing its system in terms of its most privileged benefactors?
To others who come across this, this user is the exact kind of liberal conservative I'm talking about, and go figure, they're a Euro like I said they'd be.
adjectivenoun@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 1d
You can't. He's trying to use liberal as an epithet when he means neoliberal. If we're being pedantic, liberal refers to the full gamut of people who think there should be an open and free society, which usually includes a market and certain property rights. The conservatives use liberal as an epithet to decry the left and now the left is using it to decry the middle.
It would be funny if it wasn't being used to convince naive progressives to sit out elections and let fascists seize power because the center left "only" wants 85% of what they want. You're seeing it really ramp up because the US is closing in on a big election, and convincing dipshits to sit out elections is easier than convincing anyone the right can govern.
Cowbee@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 1d
This isn't really accurate. Liberalism and private property rights are fundamentally tied, that was how it historically emerged. Neoliberalism is a subset of liberalism that emphasized privatizing the welfare states that emerged throughout the 20th century as these states ran into crisis of profitability.
The left has opposed liberalism as soon as socialism began to truly take form, especially around the time of Karl Marx and the first international. Saying that the left and progressive liberals want "85% of the same things" is not true at all, the left wants to fundamentally change the entire base of society into a socialist one, not merely expand the welfare state in capitalism, because the main critique from the left is that capitalism itself is unsustainable and incapable of fulfilling the needs of the working class.
Leftists also support revolution over reformism, and do so year-round, every year. It's not that the left gets louder around election season, it's that those that see voting as their sole means of political action tend to notice the left more around election season. This in turn leads to more conversations around reformism vs. revolution, the nature of the capitalist system, and the role of the DNC and GOP in protecting imperialism and capitalism. The US is run by billionaires, it has never been run by the people, because the base structure of society is one where a tiny number of people own and control the means of production and distribution.
adjectivenoun@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1d
This all sounds philosophical. How does this system actually solve problems in a society where scarcity exists? Do people still have property rights? Who enforces those rights? Who makes the decisions on where scarce resources are allocated? Our current system has answers for all of these questions, it's just contaminated by the influence of powerful scumbags. The thing is, the powerful scumbags are going to be scumbags in every system, and at least a decentralized market economy limits the ease with which they can exert control.
Cowbee@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 1d
Philosophy is a core component of Marxism, just like it is of liberalism. Philosophy is essentially the worldview and methodology behind ideologies. Liberalism is generally metaphysical materialism, when science first overturned the feudal idealists. The philosophy of Marxism is dialectical materialism, which advances from metaphysical materialism through developing our understanding of interconnection, development, and processes.
Q: How does this system actually solve problems in a society where scarcity exists?
A: I don't see how scarcity is a problem. Production is already socialized and deeply interconnected, the problem is that distribution is based on individuals owning the means of production and distribution. Collectivizing private industry doesn't mean we suddenly forget how to produce and distribute.
Q: Do people still have property rights?
A: As a matter of course, private property is sublimated into social property gradually. The material base of marketized production is in decentralized, scattered production. The material base of socialized production is in large, centralized industry. Markets naturally move towards the latter, which causes a conflict between the new economic base and the old method of distribution.
Personal property is to be respected and understood as that which people themselves use.
Q: Who enforces those rights?
A: Before production has been collectivized fully, classes will still exist, and thus the state must be under the control of the working class in order to actually enforce this. After all production is collectivized and owned socially, the mechanisms of the state that only existed to protect this status cease to have a purpose, and fade into irrelevance.
Q: Who makes the decisions on where scarce resources are allocated?
A: Administrators, workers that have been selected through democratic processes to make such decisions, both at local and larger scale levels. Think local councils, with delegates to higher councils, and delegates to higher councils. The fewest rungs necessary for effectiveness and the greater the level of participation in all levels, the better, but this depends on the level of development of the material base.
Incorrect. Capitalism necessarily is run by capitalists. There can be no worker control in capitalism, because capitalists already dominate the base of society, the means of production and distribution. The state exists to reinforce the base, not outside of the class struggle. Further, capitalism itself runs into crisis, such as the tendency for the rate of profit to fall over time.
The longer capitalism goes, the more centralized and more disparity rises, the more it risks total collapse. Production increasingly gets socialized, while a smaller and smaller group of people keep the spoils. This is skyrocketing in recent years, but has been steadily and gradually accelerating since the inception of capitalism as a system.
It cannot be fixed by replacing people, because the problems of capitalism are core to how it functions. Billionaires will always control capitalism until capitalism itself collapses. There is no such thing as a "decentralized market economy" any longer. Markets have long surpassed the level at which they play a progressive role in the developed countries. A tiny minority of companies control the vast majority of total production. Free market capitalism died long ago.
We reached the imperialist stage of capitalism in the turn of the 20th century, when bank and industrial capital merged into financial monopoly. These monopolies expand outward, fighting each other over domination of the global south. This was the primary cause of World War I, and it extended into World War II. After World War II, the world began to be dominated by the US, the dollar, its millitary. After a crisis in profitability, Reagonomics unleashed neoliberalism, saving capitalism temporarily by privatizing the safety nets created by FDR and destroying worker organizing. This is now reaching its own crisis, accelerated by the AI bubble.
The capitalist system doesn't weaken the control of scumbags, it entrenches them to the highest possible degree, and ensures that over time it will only get worse as production continues to centralize and wealth concentrates in fewer and fewer hands. The only solution is collectivizing the economy and running it according to a coherent, scientific, collective plan.
adjectivenoun@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 23h
It just seems like this system is capitalism with extra steps, but the extra steps involve replacing the exchange of money with the peddling of influence. The capitalists are replaced by administrators, the hierarchy of wealth is replaced by rank in the decision-making apparatus. I get that it's supposed to be democratic and protect the interests of the public, but so too is our regulated hybrid public-private system and we see how well that's going. It also seems like, where our market system began as distributed and decentralized, which was a strength, and began to be ever more concentrated as businesses consolidated and corrupted government, this new system starts consolidated and married to government. A lot of people would say this is too much power in the hands of the state, and ripe for theft by an autocrat. I'm not saying it's impossible for this to work, but the systems I have seen work best are those where the market does what it does and the government reigns in its worst tendencies when the motive of profit conflicts with the needs of people.
Cowbee@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 23h
The key disconnect is that the state itself is a product of the base of society. Marxists do not posit that we should merely merge with existing government and take it over, but smash the state apparatus and replace it outright. The capitalist systems of today, despite having a public sector, are entirely controlled by capitalists. The socialist states of today and the future, despite having private sectors, are thoroughly controlled by workers. Look at Cuba, and what it's able to achieve despite incredible blockade and sanctions. Look at China, where the underdeveloped parts are marketized and the developed parts are public, they even have a handy chart on what socialist construction looks like:
This is where philosophy comes in. Right now, your analysis is metaphysical. You see that in the past the market was more decentralized, and now that it is highly decentralized, you are trying to work backwards. This isn't how human societies progress, though. This new economic base that capitalism has created is already compatible with planned, social ownership. There is no such thing as a static system that is not evolving into something.
Dialectics helps us understand that capitalism has already played its progressive role, and that now it's time for workers, who already run the world, to take charge of it and own it. Marxism is a more scientific way of viewing the world than liberalism allows for, because metaphysics traps us in outdated forms of science, just like evolution proved older, metaphysical forms of biological categorization to be incorrect.
no_name_dev_from_hell@programming.dev · 1 pts · 1d
Yeah the leftists war against liberalism started recently [checks date] oh I didn't know we are living in 1845.
NewOldGuard@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 2d
Liberalism is a conservative ideology. Conservative meaning maintaining the status quo, which liberalism does for economic, foreign, and social policy
Edit: down vote all you want but it is true. The last time liberalism was progressive was when the divine right of kings was law of the land.
Political ideologies can broadly be categorized as reactionary (supports a real or perceived status quo ante), conservative (supports maintenance of status quo), and progressive (supports developing new systems). There are the axes of social views, economic views, etc that we apply these to. The major political parties in the US are centered around variants of liberalism, the ideology of individual rights and private property, which is focused on the status quo of imperialism, discriminatory social hierarchies, and capitalism. There are those who think these systems don't go far enough in their repression, especially but not exclusively within the GOP. They are reactionaries. Progressive ideologies only find any foothold on the very fringes of the DNC, but they are fighting against the policies and institutions of the party itself, not really influencing it fundamentally.
kuiskaaja@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 2d
liberalism refers purely to economic policy everywhere except for the united states, and that is very much compatible with conservative views on social issues.
technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 2d
Liberalism is a right-wing ideology. Completely capitalist and authoritarian. It's a major source of overt fascism.
Zedd_Prophecy@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 2d
Oxymoron the pimple cream for idiots!
kuiskaaja@lemmy.ml · 0 pts · 2d
Polisheocket@lemmy.zip · -2 pts · 2d
No, it’s the worst kind, half in and half out
BlackLaZoR@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 2d
Reddit is working hard on fediverese success
adjectivenoun@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 1d
They've really managed to enshittify the site beyond even what I expected back when the API changes went live. I guess it was expected. First Digg shot itself, now Reddit...
poVoq@slrpnk.net · 22 pts · 2d
Well, an alternative explanation would be LLM agent accounts, which started to appear on the fediverse around the time the above graph started to go up.
Here on Lemmy they are a bit delayed and only started to sign up in larger quantities in the last 2-3 months.
Lux18@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1d
Are you sure? I didn't notice that.
Fuck me if it's true though, I abandoned reddit because of the bots.
poVoq@slrpnk.net · 2 pts · 1d
Yes, we have admin approval on our instance and get a few such registrations per week these days. Luckily right now the registrations openly say that it is an LLM agent that operates the account, but that is probably just the tip of the iceberg.
lucyph0r@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 1d
I found Lemmy through grapheneos! That's my story. Love it.
If I hadn't smashed my iPhone in a work related accident I would never know the joy of ditching reddit and joining you folks.
Hazzah for happenstance! Life is great!
mesamunefire@piefed.social · 3 pts · 1d
Hell yeah
justlemmyin@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 2d
If you build it, they will come.
antiR@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 1d
Reddit ban people -> people look for alternatives
redditmodssucks@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 1d
Fuck reddits mods
mobyduck648@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 1d
Whenever I feel bad about my lot in life, I always remember that at least I'm not a reddit mod.
TheNameBrand@lemmus.org · 17 pts · 1d
Newbie checking in. Hi.
lucyph0r@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 1d
Me too! And not a bot! Woohoo!
SethTaylor@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 1d
Wonderful! We love human flesh around here!
EDIT: Ok, I'm reading that back and I see how it sounds. Just editing to say we are not cannibals.
EDIT 2: Ok, I know that denying that we are cannibals makes it look even more like we are cannibals, but I promise you we are not
pelespirit@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 19h
You have been added to the best of Lemmy https://sh.itjust.works/post/67282965
SethTaylor@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 16h
Oh shit. Wait, no. It was just a joke. I don't wanna be "cannibal man". Damn... senior year will be really hard for me, won't it? No one will want to sit next to me in the cafeteria. Some kid will be like "I hear he packs his own lunch" and everyone will gasp.
pelespirit@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 16h
It's okay Seth, calm down. Being known as "cannibal man" is way better than being known as "fart man" like Pat in homeroom.
lucyph0r@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1d
Even if you were cannibals, you have to remember I'm coming from reddit! Cannibals are preferential to being at the bottom of that poisonous swamp!
VitoRobles@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 1d
Check this guy's fridge.
kestrel7_7@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1d
Everyone gets a little #CannibalCurious sometimes
SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 2d
Once AI starts stealing from us you'll know we've arrived.
ayyy@sh.itjust.works · 15 pts · 2d
That’s already a massive problem that brings down instances all the time.
gandalf_der_13te@feddit.org · 5 pts · 1d
web-scraping is. however, ai companies pretending to be yet another instance and getting the data through federation does not cause much of a slow-down, since that's what happens with other instances already anyways.
ayyy@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 1d
The dorks that work at LLM companies are simply too stupid to do that.
GolfFoxtrotLima@sh.itjust.works · 15 pts · 1d
the_fuckler@nord.pub · 13 pts · 2d
Are you certain these are unique accounts?
argv_minus_one@mastodon.sdf.org · 18 pts · 2d
@the_fuckler
Not necessarily.
There is a count of *active* accounts (i.e. accounts that someone is actually using), so there's that.
But since nobody on the Fediverse knows who anybody is in real life (except for the few who use their real name), there's no way to know how many accounts are non-unique.
There could, for example, be one person who actively uses accounts on both Mastodon and Piefed.
@mesamunefire
Brkdncr@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 2d
Someone that is active every hour of the day probably isn’t a person.
tedd_deireadh@piefed.social · 14 pts · 2d
Hey, we may be terminally online but we're still people!
OpenStars@discuss.online · 2 pts · 1d
(some of us anyway:-P)
freudian_slop@programming.dev · 3 pts · 2d
Some of those power users have a bot running or use scheduled posts.
mesamunefire@piefed.social · 7 pts · 2d
Thats what I do. Piefed scheduled posts. Very nifty.
mesamunefire@piefed.social · 10 pts · 2d
No idea but you can check here from the official sources and pulls: https://fediverse.observer/history
NikkiDimes@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 1d
I've definitely noticed my shitpost comments get a lot more engagement than they used to, so that's fun
mattyroses@lemmy.today · 3 pts · 1d
maybe the posts are just getting shitttier?
NikkiDimes@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 9h
Shame. I just ran out of toilet paper.
mattyroses@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 8h
It's 2026, install a bidet already
vegafjord@slrpnk.net · 12 pts · 1d
note that this is accounts. So for example, I have 3 accounts I use regularily.
Zacryon@feddit.org · 7 pts · 1d
There is just so much you can do as a human even with multiple accounts. So unless you're daily driving 50 accounts somehow and most others got nothing better to do as well, I still count that as a positive trend.
vegafjord@slrpnk.net · 4 pts · 1d
Im not downplaying the growth. Just putting out there that it is easy to think active users means different people, which is not true.
Waffelmeister@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 23h
Why do you have 3 accounts?
vegafjord@slrpnk.net · 2 pts · 23h
Becauase mastodon works poorly for lemmy, lemmy works bad for mastodon, loops works bad for lemmy and mastodon. Actually, I have four accounts because I wanted an account on mastodon exclusively for images.
Unique_Emerald_Sol_I@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 1d
Yeah, I'm new (also driven from Reddit after the recent changes) and within like a week I signed up for three different servers, and I'll probably sign up for more if I can figure out how to navigate servers well enough to find what I'm looking for.
It's actually rather nice to have separate accounts for different use cases and not mix, say, a memery and general discussion account with an art account.
zqps@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 1d
True, same for me. But I have been for quite a while and I'm not creating new ones. I'm guessing legit users don't need many accounts, so I'd be more concerned about botting.
LuckyFogic@feddit.online · 10 pts · 1d
Upvoted for Oxford Comma
eggpl4nt@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 1d
I'm doing my part! 🥳
HeHoXa@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 23h
Hoping it's true, generally when I see posts about how strong and successful something is, it hits like a warning sign that it's struggling / at risk and someone is trying to project growth for attraction / retention.
I assume I'm not the only one with this kind of mental filter. Maybe there's a way to go about it that would get the impression across without ringing that alarm?
Maybe a show don't tell kind of tact? Like "check out all this new content being generated by the influx of users"... or a backhanded thing like "here's how to protect your insrance against recent traffic surges"?
Idk I'm no expert. Hope it's helpful but otherwise just ignore me~
Bluescluestoothpaste@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 22h
Idk man, you're kinda right but also like what do we need cheerleaders for. Im gonna show this people and they're gonna sign up because lemmy is growing or something?
Idk just useless information as far as i can tell, theres no ceo of the fediverse trying to maximize growth or whatever so who is this for?
clif@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 19h
I am the CEO of the fediverse but I'm struggling. If you send $7 to my account, I will reimburse you $2m when we succeed. My scam coin wallet address is "0", please reply quickly... I can not hold long
gandalf_der_13te@feddit.org · 1 pts · 6h
for myself, for example. i want to see more diverse content.
mesamunefire@piefed.social · 2 pts · 23h
I wish there was a website that had like three major aggregators instead of just the one. The issue I come across is these sites all have something missing. For the fediverse observer, they sometimes do retro activity that doesn't pop up until you look at the graph again.
What I can tell you anecdotally is i am seeing a lot more engagement with content faces are sticking around last couple of months. So I pulled the numbers from the aggregator that I know at least lets you audit the numbers. But its still not perfect.
melsaskca@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 2d
If accurate, then good news for all. Congrats!
JustDorky@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 1d
I haven't gotten any new users on my app so this has to be fake
n7gifmdn@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 1d
lol
aSaabD00d@lemmy.today · 5 pts · 1d
I'm fairly new myself and in the last week I've noticed quite a few new users. Not a ton but a lot more than when I joined months ago.
lucyph0r@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 1d
I'm a new user! Pl3ased to meet you. Still getting used to not having my text autocorrectes to the level of iphon3. It feels more organic 5ho.
expletivedeleted@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 1d
Nope. It seems it is a sicker Reddit. No matter the congenitalilty, the engagement is just frankly gross.
Maybe I need to move from lemmy.zip, but the vetting is a pain in the ass.
People are just difficult to even talk to these days.
I am actually a really sweet but sardonic guy. No freedom of speech and no humor. Just an exasperation of the things that killed reddit.
No actual discussion. Fuck this.
mesamunefire@piefed.social · 6 pts · 1d
...are you ok?
expletivedeleted@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 1d
Did you just wake up?
Being well adjusted to a sick society is no measure of good health.
lucyph0r@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1d
One can be maladjusted and still happy. Jeezy Pete!
expletivedeleted@lemmy.zip · 0 pts · 1d
Whoosh. I think the point is being missed. I am not focusing on the one.
I am a rather happy guy who has a heart that bleeds for others.
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 1d
you should not be on the internet then.
I like to envision the internet like it was New York City between 1975-1985. trash piled high in front of every building with an oppressive smog swirling down every thoroughfare. A dead hooker in every pile of trash, like some kind of hidden kinder surprise. how she got there, nobody cares, but I can guarantee that it involved enough coke to kill a horse.
piss on the seats, piss in the streets, and Wallstreet standing like some kind of middle finger while the city churns on, grinding babies into paste for the best pizza money can buy.
HAL_9_TRILLION@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1d
You've really got a gift.
ddplf@szmer.info · 5 pts · 1d
If you're not a socialist then you may often find yourself lost and unwelcome here, and I'm absolutely not talking about the ml grounds because they lowkey welcome fascists
MyVeryRealName@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 1d
It's not about socialism. Most people on Reddit and crybabies and the Fediverse seems to have inherited that culture.
expletivedeleted@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 1d
I am a socialist. What?
I advocate for free school lunches, free healthcare, free basic housing, free education, and free basic internet access.
You are simply demonstrating my point.
ddplf@szmer.info · 2 pts · 1d
why did you feel summoned, what's your input?
Bluescluestoothpaste@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 23h
He got a notification that you replied to him, probably why he felt that
ddplf@szmer.info · 1 pts · 22h
oh, that thing
expletivedeleted@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 19h
I don't know, Lord Pointless. I thought something foul was said. Forgive me, I will recide to the back of your mind.
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1d
not even lowkey at this point, it's a full-on fascist supporting community.
lucyph0r@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1d
Is that why I feel so at home here? Am I a socialist!? Did Lemmy make me a socialist! Oh no, what am I going to tell my mother when sh3 finds out.
But in all seriousness... Tho the text above was not made in jest, Would you consider yourself to be described in that way? A socialist? If not a socialist, how do you find the wherewithal to stick around?
ddplf@szmer.info · -1 pts · 1d
take your meds
lucyph0r@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1d
I drink mine, FYI 🤪
*ETA
& tyvm
majster@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 1d
It definitly isn't easy going. Just write whats on your mind and be careful to not doxx yourself.
expletivedeleted@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 1d
Or fuck this.
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1d
lemmy.zip imo is notoriously shit. It was one of the first communities I blocked when I joined the fediverse.
Die4Ever@retrolemmy.com · 4 pts · 2d
!fedilytics@piefed.zip
JustPlainDave@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 1d
I'm only here because I got IP banned from Reddit for asking when they're going to launch Margery Taylor Greene into the sun.
Toga77@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 1d
I'm here for the awful post of "when are the guillotines coming?" In reference to the largest child sex trafficking ring ever that's being defended by the US gov.
JustPlainDave@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 1d
Was it also in/r/politics and were you "promoting violence"?
Toga77@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 23h
Exactly.
Fuckin cowards.
JustPlainDave@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 22h
Especially considering what they allowed when I joined in 2012.
grrgyle@slrpnk.net · 1 pts · 19h
The people reddit is banning is really just sending us their best people. Welcome.
crakila@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 1d
numbers go brrrr.
sushimi@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1d
Continuing, growing and stronging.
bitjunkie@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1d
stronking*
lambalicious@lemmy.sdf.org · 2 pts · 16h
Moisturizing. Focusing. Inourlaneing. Flourishing.
Randelung@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 23h
Enlonging, embiggening, and stronging.
DeadEndLink@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 13h
First fediverse site I encountered was moving train radio, a podcast that cited Israeli war crimes in every horrific detail for hours.
It should be played in every church service in North America every week.
Yozz@aussie.zone · 2 pts · 1d
I am new here
Nurse_Robot@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 15h
Not welcome, corporate shill
Mongostein@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 1d
Welcome
Nurse_Robot@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 15h
They're a corporate account.
Mongostein@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 13h
Dammit
pseudo@jlai.lu · 2 pts · 1d
Welcome!
Nurse_Robot@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 15h
Corporate account.
neo2478@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 4h
How do you know? I'm not doubting, just want to learn.
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1d
bots. bots everywhere.
edit: hey, look at all the repost content! it's almost like there's a bunch of bots swarming the fediverse...
lucyph0r@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 1d
Not me. I just get drunk at work and reply to every string of text that I feel like!
NotEasyBeingGreen@slrpnk.net · 1 pts · 1d
Are there? I don't notice much bottery.
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 23h
if not bots then alt accounts.
just had one recently where I would comment, get a response, and immediately get downvotes from the same people over and over again.
I can say some pretty inflammatory shit, but I somehow doubt it's fascinating enough for people to camp my comments.
n7gifmdn@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 1d
Is there anyway to compare bots to real users?
mesamunefire@piefed.social · 3 pts · 23h
Piefed auto-flags users it it thinks is bots and allows users to flag other users as potential AI bots. Its an interesting system. I like it so far but its on a system with less than 10k users. So not sure how the scale is going to work. Still its a step!