When I lived in Portugal there was this cobblestone street in my bus commute that just fit one vehicle with some room. At least one every month the bus would be stuck there because someone parked "real quick" with a wheel up the sidewalk. People just don't care unless there's constant enforcement.
Those thinks are banned in Europe nowadays and I have never seen them in all the dacades before that ban... unless in US media (or in very rural setups lacking actual streets).
It doesn’t fit the space well but I do love seeing cars impaled on or simply stuck behind hydraulic bollards. I wonder if that could be implemented here.
I’ll just leave the most recent example here (there are literally dozens like him)…
“A New York driver was identified in spring 2025 as the city's most reckless after a black Audi A6, driven by a driver named Dillon Wertz, accumulated 563 traffic and camera-issued tickets in 2024 alone, mostly for speeding. The vehicle's total violations reached 968, with fines potentially exceeding $58,000, though the driver had already paid over $46,000 at the time of the reports. Despite the high number of violations, the driver remains on the road and continues to drive recklessly”
Does the US not have any sort of system that makes you lose your license after too many major infractions? Though i guess with an average of about $60 maybe it's just a ton of minor ones.
Not an American but as far as I know that isn’t something that US law would deal with. State or local laws would apply, and they would vary from one locale to the next.
Not an American, but in my country automated tickets can only be a fine and nothing else, same with small scale speeding. 50 km/h over or something like that is where they can jail you for a bit or take your license away. So if you do 10-15 over a bunch of times, you would keep your license usually.
Yeah and it’s in the center of three lanes. I can easily see someone forgetting they need to turn and then cutting over, but getting stuck in traffic and then the bus gets stuck behind it. Maybe should have put the bus lane next to the double yellow? (And then added one on the other side as well?)
In San Francisco, we have a couple lanes like this for buses and taxis. We call them the red carpet. They helped improve bus efficiency and bus times. Our buses also have cameras that send tickets to cars using the lane.
Oh no. First the congestion pricing, now this. They said that Giuliani turned NYC into a theme park back in the day. This nonsense is doing that for real now.
I'll bite: can you elaborate in a constructive and detailed manner to explain why it's not an excellent thing for the city in general and for mass transit users in particular?
In a city where streets are not able to be widened, taking two lanes away to dedicate them to buses forces the car traffic from those lanes to the remaining lanes. Those lanes become horribly congested, and it doesn't encourage enough people to use buses to offset it.
I'm not a total downer like them, I see some upsides, but this is incredibly costly for the small number of people it serves and huge number of people it aggregates. NY already has subways, the best kind of public transportation, spend your money improving that.
Bus and train always work hand in hand, train for mass transit from one place to another, and bus helps with the last mile and those outside of the train coverage. You cannot solely rely on train, because expanding it cost a fuck tons, especially underground in a city as pack as NYC.
The solution is not a dedicated bus lane in an already heavily congested road... Just because buses are good doesn't mean any solution involving buses is good. Roads are very expensive to build and maintain, and maintaining a dedicated a rarely used road alongside a heavily congested road you just made more congested isn't as simple as "bus go fast = good".
And this is a challenge wherever dedicated bus lanes have been implemented: the buses cannot travel exclusively on the bus lanes, by increasing congestion on the regular lanes, you congest all the feeder lanes. Buses get stuck in nightmare traffic trying to get into and out of the bus lane.
Improving the subway network actually reduces car traffic, fewer people will use taxis and ubers, which directly leads to fewer cars on the road, and that allows buses to operate more smoothly on shared lanes.
This doesn't necessarily increase traffic on the remaining lanes actually. With traffic there's something called induced demand: The more lanes you add, the more people will drive just because driving seems like a better option than the alternatives. This in turn means that adding more lanes can increase traffic jams!
Decrease the amount of lanes and people will be more inclined to take the subway or the bus. Or bus to subway station and then bus from the other subway station to destination, because you can't have as many subway stations as you can bus stations.
. . . it doesn’t encourage enough people to use buses to offset it.
This is the assumption that's wrong, and it turns the whole thing around. Induced demand for public transportation does work. When people see buses going by while they're stuck in traffic, they tend to make a different choice.
57 Comments
TheAsianDonKnots@lemmy.zip · 56 pts · 328d
Ah yes, NYC drivers who are well known for following traffic markings.
bamboo@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 109 pts · 328d
Good thing the busses have freaking laser beams to get rid of the traffic
tetris11@feddit.uk · 54 pts · 328d
Finally, truck vaporizers for those pesky lane wanderers
toynbee@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 328d
I wonder if it can vaporize things other than trucks.
powermaker450@discuss.tchncs.de · 11 pts · 327d
does the bus have a fucking face mask on
RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz · 4 pts · 326d
Flatten the curve!
SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 326d
Yeh it’s a Transformer who doesn’t like diesel fumes.
pdqcp@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 10 pts · 328d
are cameras installed on the buses?
brbposting@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 327d
In San Francisco a few thousand miles away—yes, big fine
jol@discuss.tchncs.de · 17 pts · 328d
When I lived in Portugal there was this cobblestone street in my bus commute that just fit one vehicle with some room. At least one every month the bus would be stuck there because someone parked "real quick" with a wheel up the sidewalk. People just don't care unless there's constant enforcement.
grue@lemmy.world · 24 pts · 328d
Public transit vehicles should have push bars like police cars do.
Ooops@feddit.org · 5 pts · 328d
Those thinks are banned in Europe nowadays and I have never seen them in all the dacades before that ban... unless in US media (or in very rural setups lacking actual streets).
CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de · 15 pts · 328d
It doesn’t fit the space well but I do love seeing cars impaled on or simply stuck behind hydraulic bollards. I wonder if that could be implemented here.
UltraMagnus0001@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 328d
It's automated with traffic cameras to give tickets
TheAsianDonKnots@lemmy.zip · 25 pts · 328d
I’ll just leave the most recent example here (there are literally dozens like him)…
“A New York driver was identified in spring 2025 as the city's most reckless after a black Audi A6, driven by a driver named Dillon Wertz, accumulated 563 traffic and camera-issued tickets in 2024 alone, mostly for speeding. The vehicle's total violations reached 968, with fines potentially exceeding $58,000, though the driver had already paid over $46,000 at the time of the reports. Despite the high number of violations, the driver remains on the road and continues to drive recklessly”
LwL@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 327d
Does the US not have any sort of system that makes you lose your license after too many major infractions? Though i guess with an average of about $60 maybe it's just a ton of minor ones.
WizardofFrobozz@lemmy.ca · 8 pts · 327d
Not an American but as far as I know that isn’t something that US law would deal with. State or local laws would apply, and they would vary from one locale to the next.
boonhet@sopuli.xyz · 4 pts · 327d
Not an American, but in my country automated tickets can only be a fine and nothing else, same with small scale speeding. 50 km/h over or something like that is where they can jail you for a bit or take your license away. So if you do 10-15 over a bunch of times, you would keep your license usually.
jaybone@lemmy.zip · 7 pts · 328d
Yeah and it’s in the center of three lanes. I can easily see someone forgetting they need to turn and then cutting over, but getting stuck in traffic and then the bus gets stuck behind it. Maybe should have put the bus lane next to the double yellow? (And then added one on the other side as well?)
ekZepp@lemmy.world · 35 pts · 328d
Me waiting any moment to see Trump declaring Public transports "Anti-American".
robocall@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 327d
In San Francisco, we have a couple lanes like this for buses and taxis. We call them the red carpet. They helped improve bus efficiency and bus times. Our buses also have cameras that send tickets to cars using the lane.
quick_snail@feddit.nl · 10 pts · 328d
Don't post images of headlines
frischkaesbagett@feddit.org · 1 pts · 326d
It's blocked outside the US. Was happy for the screenshot - then I knew its worth turning on VPN
pineapplelover@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 9 pts · 328d
If there's regular buses running through there, I would be in favor of it. Just make sure it's not a single bus getting delayed all the time.
GenosseFlosse@feddit.org · 3 pts · 328d
The American solution would be to mount monster truck tires and run over any cars delaying the bus.
pineapplelover@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 327d
Chaotic good
toynbee@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 328d
Is Only Bus like Only Fans?
edit: Corrected a word.
Evil_Shrubbery@thelemmy.club · 9 pts · 327d
It's very popular.
toynbee@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 327d
Oh yeah, YY65VXK. I love dirty talk.
pyre@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 328d
toynbee@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 327d
I was thinking of the scene from HIMYM where the Mother had cookies, but I like this interpretation, too.
Washedupcynic@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 327d
If we could get something like this in Albany, NY next it would make me so happy.
finitebanjo@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 327d
Hopefully the Suburbs take the L and expand their own bus routes instead of trying to plan around it with convoluted freeways and overpasses.
BilSabab@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 327d
But there's a catch - those buses are self-driving Tesla's workshopping roadrage simulation.
Endymion_Mallorn@kbin.melroy.org · -37 pts · 328d
Oh no. First the congestion pricing, now this. They said that Giuliani turned NYC into a theme park back in the day. This nonsense is doing that for real now.
Doc_Crankenstein@slrpnk.net · 23 pts · 328d
Are ... are you against this? Or is this sarcasm?
Endymion_Mallorn@kbin.melroy.org · -26 pts · 328d
I'm very much against this. And I want you to to understand - I can't drive. I rely on mass transit, especially the MTA, NJTransit, and SEPTA.
This is going to ruin NYC.
Ulvain@sh.itjust.works · 27 pts · 328d
I'll bite: can you elaborate in a constructive and detailed manner to explain why it's not an excellent thing for the city in general and for mass transit users in particular?
3abas@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 328d
In a city where streets are not able to be widened, taking two lanes away to dedicate them to buses forces the car traffic from those lanes to the remaining lanes. Those lanes become horribly congested, and it doesn't encourage enough people to use buses to offset it.
I'm not a total downer like them, I see some upsides, but this is incredibly costly for the small number of people it serves and huge number of people it aggregates. NY already has subways, the best kind of public transportation, spend your money improving that.
psx_crab@lemmy.zip · 8 pts · 328d
Bus and train always work hand in hand, train for mass transit from one place to another, and bus helps with the last mile and those outside of the train coverage. You cannot solely rely on train, because expanding it cost a fuck tons, especially underground in a city as pack as NYC.
3abas@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 328d
The solution is not a dedicated bus lane in an already heavily congested road... Just because buses are good doesn't mean any solution involving buses is good. Roads are very expensive to build and maintain, and maintaining a dedicated a rarely used road alongside a heavily congested road you just made more congested isn't as simple as "bus go fast = good".
And this is a challenge wherever dedicated bus lanes have been implemented: the buses cannot travel exclusively on the bus lanes, by increasing congestion on the regular lanes, you congest all the feeder lanes. Buses get stuck in nightmare traffic trying to get into and out of the bus lane.
Improving the subway network actually reduces car traffic, fewer people will use taxis and ubers, which directly leads to fewer cars on the road, and that allows buses to operate more smoothly on shared lanes.
Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz · 1 pts · 327d
Rarely used? You can move like a hundred times more people on a dedicated bus lanes than a mixed road.
Have you been to seoul? Nearly everywhere buses go, they get a dedicated lane. Even better BRT systems even give buses priority at lights.
Tlaloc_Temporal@lemmy.ca · 7 pts · 327d
If adding more lanes doesn't fix traffic, removing lanes shouldn't break traffic either.
Soup@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 327d
“Small number of people it serves?” You’re just out here trolling because you think being frustrating is funny, aren’t you?
IronBird@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 327d
anyone who drives in NYC deserves to be inconvenienced
boonhet@sopuli.xyz · 3 pts · 327d
This doesn't necessarily increase traffic on the remaining lanes actually. With traffic there's something called induced demand: The more lanes you add, the more people will drive just because driving seems like a better option than the alternatives. This in turn means that adding more lanes can increase traffic jams!
Decrease the amount of lanes and people will be more inclined to take the subway or the bus. Or bus to subway station and then bus from the other subway station to destination, because you can't have as many subway stations as you can bus stations.
frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 326d
This is the assumption that's wrong, and it turns the whole thing around. Induced demand for public transportation does work. When people see buses going by while they're stuck in traffic, they tend to make a different choice.
SwingingTheLamp@midwest.social · 1 pts · 327d
Endymion_Mallorn@kbin.melroy.org · 1 pts · 327d
Thank you for putting it better than I was capable of at the time.
Doc_Crankenstein@slrpnk.net · 12 pts · 328d
Lol, ok NIMBY.
Endymion_Mallorn@kbin.melroy.org · -13 pts · 328d
Not in anyone's back yard.
Doc_Crankenstein@slrpnk.net · 17 pts · 328d
People like you vote and that makes me sad.
Endymion_Mallorn@kbin.melroy.org · -1 pts · 327d
Do you live in the Philly/Newark/Paterson/NYC metro?
Because I assure you, I plan to vote in what I see as my own best interest.