Fun fact, this loop is kinda how one of the generative ML algorithms works. This algorithm is called Generative Adversarial Networks or GAN.
You have a so-called Generator neural network G that generates something (usually images) from random noise and a Discriminator neural network D that can take images (or whatever you're generating) as input and outputs whether this is real or fake (not actually in a binary way, but as a continuous value). D is trained on images from G, which should be classified as fake, and real images from a dataset that should be classified as real. G is trained to generate images from random noise vectors that fool D into thinking they're real. D is, like most neural networks, essentially just a mathematical function so you can just compute how to adjust the generated image to make it appear more real using derivatives.
In the perfect case these 2 networks battle until they reach peak performance. In practice you usually need to do some extra shit to prevent the whole situation from crashing and burning. What often happens, for instance, is that D becomes so good that it doesn't provide any useful feedback anymore. It sees the generated images as 100% fake, meaning there's no longer an obvious way to alter the generated image to make it seem more real.
Well the AI-based AI detector isn't actively making creative people's work disappear into a sea of gen-AI "art" at least.
There's good and bad use cases for AI, I consider this a better use case than generating art. Now the question is whether or not it's feasible to detect AI this way.
I have an Immich instance running on my home server that backs up my and my wife's photos. It's like an open source Google Photos.
One of its features is an local AI model that recognises faces and tags names on them, as well as doing stuff like recognising when a picture is of a landscape, food, etc.
Likewise, Firefox has a really good offline translation feature that runs locally and is open source.
AI doesn't have to be bad. Big tech and venture capital is just choosing to make it so.
Just the threat of being able to summarily remove AI content and hand out account discipline will cut down drastically on AI and practically eliminate the really low effort 'slop', it's not perfect but it's damn useful.
It's also going to make it really easy to take down the content you don't like, just accuse it of being AI and watch the witch hunting roll in. I've seen plenty of examples of traditional artists getting accused of using AI in other forums, I don't imagine this will be any different.
People already mass report to abuse existing AI moderation tools. It's already starting to be accounted for and I can't imagine it so much as slowing down implementing an anti AI rule if I'm being honest.
The ban doesn't need a 100% perfect AI screening protocol to be a success.
Just the fact that AI is banned might appeal to a wide demographic. If the ban is actually enforced, even in just 25% of the most blatant cases, it might be just the push a new platform needs to take off.
Only if we let it be. There's no technical reason why the origin of a video couldn't have a signature generated by the capture device, or legally requiring AI models to do the same for any content they generate. Anything without an origin sticker is assumed to be garbage by default. Obviously there would need to be some way to make captures either anonymous or not at the user's choice, and nation states can evade these things with sufficient effort like they always do, but we could cut a lot of slop out by doing some simple stuff like that.
while a phone signing a video to show that it was captured with the camera is possible, it will be easy too to fake the signature. all it would take would be a hacked device to steal the private key. and even if apple/google/samsung have perfectly secure systems to sign the origin of the video, there would be ton of cheaper phones that would likely won't.
So what's the angle? The Internet is getting flooded by AI slop. AI needs fresh REAL content to train with. That's the angle. You are there to provide frsh amd original content to feed the AI.
Is you a youngin? Cause no product under the control of a billionaire is free. If it’s free, you are the product. AI is hated and they’re trying to make a product using that hate as a basis for target audience
Nothing is free, If they can sell ads to people because they don't like AI, they will. They're rebooting it with about the same intent as it was originally designed to have.
The same reality where GPT5's launch a couple months back was a massive failure with users and showed a lot of regression to less reliable output than GPT4? Or perhaps the reality where most corporations that have used AI found no benefit and have given up reported this year?
LLMs are good tools for some uses, but those uses are quite limited and niche. They are however a square peg being crammed into the round hole of 'AGI' by Altman etc while they put their hands out for another $10bil - or, more accurately while they make a trade swap deal with MS or Nvidia or any of the other AI orobouros trade partners that hype up the bubble for self-benefit.
It has been proven over and over that this is exactly what happens. I don't know if it's still the case, but ChatGPT was strictly limited to training data from before a certain date because the amount of AI content after that date had negative effects on the output.
This is very easy to see because an AI is simply regurgitating algorithms created based on its training data. Any biases or flaws in that data become ingrained into the AI, causing it to output more flawed data, which is then used to train more AI, which further exacerbates the issues as they become even more ingrained in those AI who then output even more flawed data, and so on until the outputs are bad enough that nobody wants to use it.
Did you ever hear that story about the researchers who had 2 LLMs talk to each other and they eventually began speaking in a language that nobody else could understand? What really happened was that their conversation started to turn more and more into gibberish until they were just passing random letters and numbers back and forth. That's exactly what happens when you train AI on the output of AI. The "AI created their own language" thing was just marketing.
I think such a filter wouldn't function well enough to keep up, such is the case with search engines which offer the feature, and instead a 0 tolerance ban would be the only effective method.
Zero tolerance ban still requires a method of detecting AI content in order to enforce said ban. Having such detection system in place would then just as well give people the option to choose for themselves whether they want to see such content or not. Ofcourse such filter isn't 100% accurate but neither is a total ban. Some of that content will always get through.
Humans contributing tags for filters would be like fighting the tide with a spoon.
Isn't that what you're literally advocating for here? I don't see the practical difference between having users reporting AI content versus users reporting AI content that isn't correctly labeled as such.
I stand behind what I said. Give people the option to filter it out of their own feeds if they want to. I don't wish to push my own content preferences onto people with different tastes. Curating your own feed is the way to go. Not top down control from the tech companies themselves.
You don't see a practical difference between tagging an image and removing the source of the images? Really? You can't figure it out when its been spelled out for you? You, specifically you, have a hard time understanding? You're not piecing the mystery together, yet? Your wheels are turning on this colossal conundrum?
Hey bud, mull it over for a bit and let me know if you figure it out. Smh.
Nor can I figure out this level of unprovoked hostility toward a complete stranger, but looking through your moderation history made it pretty clear that it's not personal but you’re just lashing out to cope with whatever personal issues you’re dealing with. I don't like it but get it. I genuinely hope you find some peace, but I don’t want anything more to do with this, so don’t spend your time writing a response. I've had enough with trying to deal with mean people online.
personally, I would ban it at the federal level and anytime you use it someone shows up at your house and destroys everything and throws away your computer. and then you go to jail. and then anyone who tries to visit you in jail gets punched in the face. and you have to eat poop in jail
Not really just short form, it's more of a take on video feeds rather than just the limited length quickcontent Vine was famous about.
Obviously the focus is still on short(ish) content format, but I see more and more people transition to longer videos to deliver content. On YT/Facebook most videos I see nowadays are 10min or above.
Yeah, will never understand why these big billionaires keep taking these "we are for the people" stances, but are still trying to spin up these same ol for-profit, centralized products. If they really cared, they'd use that money to help nonprofits or decentralized services and stay out of the damn way.
It's because it's profitable, that's why they do it. As long as they don't Elon Musk, most people either don't know who these people are or don't care. And if they do go full EM, then most people still don't care and it's still profitable.
Bluesky is decentralized, its just decentralized in a different way than Fediverse apps. A lot of fediverse people assume all decentralization would look like ActivityPub, so they just say its fake decentralization rather than learning how it works. (I know because I used to do the same, then I realized how little I understood it from this great blog post, and have since learned a lot more about it.)
There is already alternative infrastructure available (i.e. Blacksky and a variety of other applications hosted using ATProto (you can see a few here: https://bsky.social/about).
You can use any of these apps while maintaining full control of your own data by running your own PDS, or using any community maintained PDS. If you already have an account on the Bluesky PDS, you can migrate it, retaining all of your data. If you dont feel like migrating yet, you can also just export your rotation key, which would allow you to maintain control of your account even in the event that the Bluesky PDS does become evil or something.
Speaking of ATProto, sprk.so is a similar upcoming app, although I think its going to be more similar to TikTok than Vine.
It is actually decentralised as far as I can tell, although I would like to point out that bluesky is also decentralised, while bsky.app has dominant market share, nothing stops anyone from hosting their own, completely independent, instance. Some have already done so.
And even with the large majority using bsky.app, the true decentralized nature of Bluesky is anyone can host the data server that contains the data for their account. Even if you keep using bsky.app as your frontend, your data can be kept on a self hosted PDS.
It still can't function without an appview so PDS is not decentralized, but stuff like blacksky is. Hence people being reachableon some appviews and not others now, because of different moderation decisions.
Nostr is part of the fediverse, as is blueksy's ATProto. Neither Mastodon/LEmmy (ActivityPub) nor Bluesky (ATproto) are decentralized. They are poly-centric, and calling Bluesky poly-centric is still a little bit of a fib. NOSTR is truly decentralized. Here on Lemmy if the admin of piefed.world gets mad at the admin of lemmy.ca we couldnt' communicate anymore unless one of us got a new account. On NOSTR if the relay owner no longer wanted my content, you can connect to a different relay that does. (For example)
In the main picture, about half of those videos use filters that do something based on the location of the person's head. Unless they've changed the definition since I went to college, that would be classified as a type of computer vision, aka AI.
Yeah they just mean the more layperson understanding of AI as in AI-generated content or as YouTube Studio dubs it: "synthetic media" (pretty good term imo)
Basically just stuff that was "generated".
I'm sure transformative use of ML like filters etc. would be fine. Even incorporation of generated elements in otherwise a normal video would be fine.
To get the perfect selfie please pull your tongue back in your mouth. Good, now close you mouth. Perfect, now lower your phone thirty degree. Great, now lower it thirty degrees more. Almost there! Now lower thirty more degrees and put it the fuck away in your pocket.
Need to get a new testflight if on iphone it has an update, but yeah its still mediocre and kinda pointless to post with the compression and lack of users
Go back to sleep, dude has jumped on every consumer trend ever since he left Twitter. AI content is not even a core issue of current social media platforms, despite its overwhelming popularity and loads of posts.
It forces creativity, and sudden endings to things can be funny. I think it's a better format than the long-ass "shorts" on YT or TikTok for short-form video content. Make it 6 seconds or make it 30 minutes.
Detecting it is difficult but what actually is or isn’t AI should be pretty cut and dry. Either nothing completely generated, or no footage edited using generative ai (depending on how strict you want to be with your ban)
what about the neural networks that power the DSP modules in all modern cell phones cameras? does a neural network filter that generates a 3D mesh or rather imposes a 3D projection, eg putting dog ears on yourself or Memojis, count? what if i record a real video and have Gemini/Veo/whatever edit the white balance? i don’t think it’s as cut and dry as most people think
most people, unfortunately, don’t seem to think when they see the letters ‘A’ and ‘I’… these people probably would burn sage at the sight of the identity matrix lol.
i think you’re probably wasting your breath here but you seem like you might be cool, so if you’re interested in discussing ML at all reach out fs!
Every single one of those I’d put under the second category. It’d be hard to detect but it’s certainly not subjective. It just depends on how it’s written.
but what are the criteria? just because you think you have a handle on it doesn’t mean everyone else does or even shares your conclusion. and there’s no metric here i can measure, to for example block it from my platform.
The criteria is whatever you put in the “no ai” policy on the site. Whether that be ‘you can’t post videos wholly generated from a prompt’ to ‘you can’t post anything that uses any form of neural net in the production chain’ to something in between. You can specify what types are and are not included and blanket ban/allow everything else. It can definitely be defined in the user agreement, the part that’s actually hard would be detection/enforcement.
my point is that it’s hard to program someone’s subjective, if written in whatever form of legalese, point of view into a detection system, especially when those same detection systems can be used to great effect to train systems to bypass them. any such detection system would likely be an “AI” in the same way the ones they ban are and would be similarly prone to mistakes and to reflecting the values of the company (read: Jack Dorsey) rather than enforcing any objective ethical boundary.
Every single comment I said that detecting them would be the hard part, I’ve been talking about defining the type of content that is allowed/banned not the part where they actually have to filter it.
Whether AI art is good is subjective, it will change based on the whims of who you ask and cannot be defined. Whether something is AI generated depends on what definition you use but given a definition it either fits it or it doesn’t. It’s not subjective it’s just a little broad. As far as it being hard to detect that has no bearing on whether it is or isn’t AI.
Whether something is AI generated depends on what definition you use
I am so sorry, I don't mean to be terse, but; We must speak a different English because this is the actual fucking dictionary definition of "subjective" :
4
a(1)
: peculiar to a particular individual : personal
subjective judgments
(2)
: modified or affected by personal views, experience, or background
a subjective account of the incident
b
: arising from conditions within the brain or sense organs and not directly caused by external stimuli
subjective sensations
c
: arising out of or identified by means of one's perception of one's own states and processes
a subjective symptom of disease
compare objective sense 2c
THEREFORE, ANOTHER WAY OF SAYING:
Whether something is AI generated [or not, sic] depends on what definition you use...
MIGHT BE...
Whether something is AI generated or not is subjective.
Regardless,
Yeah I’m basically ignoring the part of implementing it as a separate issue from defining it, which is the part I’m saying is objective. Given a definition of what type of content they want to ban you should be able to figure out whether something you’re going to post is allowed or not, that’s why I’m saying it’s not subjective.
You summed up the problem with your own semantic definitions and viewpoints earlier pretty well. What you're basically saying is there could exist a model that defines and filters AI content based on a subjective definition of genAI, which no shit sherlock - that's fucking trivial and can be said about anything. There could exist a model that subjectively defines unicorns and filters them out of all content too. Doesn't mean it's actually useful to anybody or that there's any practical reason to build it, though.
You're just talking past @chrash0@lemmy.world who's trying to point out to you that actually defining what constitutes genAI content is the hard part. You're being obtuse and intentionally ignoring it by focusing on the implementation itself being easy.
Of course filtering things by a definition you've set is trivial. Out of all infinite possible definitions that we can choose, how do we make the right assumptions to choose the most optimal one, though? Do you see the issue and why you're being kind of fucking stupid, man?
I don't agree that having multiple definitions for something makes it subjective, what it makes it is vague. If you provide one one of those definitions to someone and ask them if something meets it (and for the sake of argument they have full knowledge of how it was created) they should always be able to come to the same conclusion. As I understand it, and the definitions you provided, what makes something subjective is whether it will be unique to the person evaluating it. If my definition of good art is it makes ME feel something, somebody else could look at the same thing I do and come to a different conclusion. You couldn't build a model that filters out bad art based on that subjective definition. All I've been trying to say is that whether something is AI is something that is definable but apparently I'm being too fucking stupid to make that clear.
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henfredemars@lemdro.id · 257 pts · 269d
Enforcing that ban is going to be difficult.
scytale@piefed.zip · 161 pts · 269d
They’re gonna use AI to detect the use of AI.
henfredemars@lemdro.id · 95 pts · 269d
Not if I use AI to hide my use of AI first!
SeductiveTortoise@piefed.social · 39 pts · 269d
They are going to implement an AI detector detector detector.
henfredemars@lemdro.id · 26 pts · 269d
It’s detectors all the way down.
But of course, as a tortoise, you would know that.
SeductiveTortoise@piefed.social · 12 pts · 269d
Did I seduce you a lot with my hard, polished shell? You can speak freely, nobody will ever know!
cecilkorik@piefed.ca · 12 pts · 269d
No, it was your intense, Gowron-like stare that truly drilled into my heart.
SeductiveTortoise@piefed.social · 11 pts · 269d
Glory to seduction! Glory to the empire!
urandom@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 269d
Trace busta busta?
SeductiveTortoise@piefed.social · 2 pts · 269d
This one
captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 269d
But then they'll implement an AI detector detector deflector.
gerryflap@feddit.nl · 12 pts · 269d
Fun fact, this loop is kinda how one of the generative ML algorithms works. This algorithm is called Generative Adversarial Networks or GAN.
You have a so-called Generator neural network G that generates something (usually images) from random noise and a Discriminator neural network D that can take images (or whatever you're generating) as input and outputs whether this is real or fake (not actually in a binary way, but as a continuous value). D is trained on images from G, which should be classified as fake, and real images from a dataset that should be classified as real. G is trained to generate images from random noise vectors that fool D into thinking they're real. D is, like most neural networks, essentially just a mathematical function so you can just compute how to adjust the generated image to make it appear more real using derivatives.
In the perfect case these 2 networks battle until they reach peak performance. In practice you usually need to do some extra shit to prevent the whole situation from crashing and burning. What often happens, for instance, is that D becomes so good that it doesn't provide any useful feedback anymore. It sees the generated images as 100% fake, meaning there's no longer an obvious way to alter the generated image to make it seem more real.
Sorry for the infodump :3
danc4498@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 269d
Spoken like a true AI.
boonhet@sopuli.xyz · 14 pts · 269d
Well the AI-based AI detector isn't actively making creative people's work disappear into a sea of gen-AI "art" at least.
There's good and bad use cases for AI, I consider this a better use case than generating art. Now the question is whether or not it's feasible to detect AI this way.
TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 269d
Indeed.
I have an Immich instance running on my home server that backs up my and my wife's photos. It's like an open source Google Photos.
One of its features is an local AI model that recognises faces and tags names on them, as well as doing stuff like recognising when a picture is of a landscape, food, etc.
Likewise, Firefox has a really good offline translation feature that runs locally and is open source.
AI doesn't have to be bad. Big tech and venture capital is just choosing to make it so.
LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 269d
Seems that way:
Krompus@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 269d
Ouroboros
nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 29 pts · 269d
Just the threat of being able to summarily remove AI content and hand out account discipline will cut down drastically on AI and practically eliminate the really low effort 'slop', it's not perfect but it's damn useful.
FaceDeer@fedia.io · 15 pts · 269d
It's also going to make it really easy to take down the content you don't like, just accuse it of being AI and watch the witch hunting roll in. I've seen plenty of examples of traditional artists getting accused of using AI in other forums, I don't imagine this will be any different.
oftenawake@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 268d
nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 269d
People already mass report to abuse existing AI moderation tools. It's already starting to be accounted for and I can't imagine it so much as slowing down implementing an anti AI rule if I'm being honest.
Capricorn_Geriatric@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 269d
The ban doesn't need a 100% perfect AI screening protocol to be a success.
Just the fact that AI is banned might appeal to a wide demographic. If the ban is actually enforced, even in just 25% of the most blatant cases, it might be just the push a new platform needs to take off.
edryd@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 269d
Just because something might be hard means we should give up before even trying?
Rothe@piefed.social · 1 pts · 269d
Of course not, but I don't think anybody suggested that.
osaerisxero@kbin.melroy.org · 1 pts · 269d
Only if we let it be. There's no technical reason why the origin of a video couldn't have a signature generated by the capture device, or legally requiring AI models to do the same for any content they generate. Anything without an origin sticker is assumed to be garbage by default. Obviously there would need to be some way to make captures either anonymous or not at the user's choice, and nation states can evade these things with sufficient effort like they always do, but we could cut a lot of slop out by doing some simple stuff like that.
pennomi@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 269d
kinsnik@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 269d
while a phone signing a video to show that it was captured with the camera is possible, it will be easy too to fake the signature. all it would take would be a hacked device to steal the private key. and even if apple/google/samsung have perfectly secure systems to sign the origin of the video, there would be ton of cheaper phones that would likely won't.
JoMiran@lemmy.ml · 140 pts · 269d
So what's the angle? The Internet is getting flooded by AI slop. AI needs fresh REAL content to train with. That's the angle. You are there to provide frsh amd original content to feed the AI.
unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de · 41 pts · 269d
Thats a very good point and probably exactly the idea. Dorsey has always just been an actor that says one thing and thinks another.
BonkTheAnnoyed@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 15 pts · 268d
Omfg this is so awful it's likely either accidental truth or a damn good prediction
FatVegan@leminal.space · 7 pts · 269d
Oh god, we have an AI incest flood ahead of us don't we?
Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works · -2 pts · 268d
Maybe the angle is just that people hate Ai? Seriously, especially young people...
Apathy@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 268d
Is you a youngin? Cause no product under the control of a billionaire is free. If it’s free, you are the product. AI is hated and they’re trying to make a product using that hate as a basis for target audience
rumba@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 268d
Nothing is free, If they can sell ads to people because they don't like AI, they will. They're rebooting it with about the same intent as it was originally designed to have.
chunes@lemmy.world · -4 pts · 269d
Again with this idea of the ever-worsening ai models. It just isn't happening in reality.
pulsewidth@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 269d
The same reality where GPT5's launch a couple months back was a massive failure with users and showed a lot of regression to less reliable output than GPT4? Or perhaps the reality where most corporations that have used AI found no benefit and have given up reported this year?
LLMs are good tools for some uses, but those uses are quite limited and niche. They are however a square peg being crammed into the round hole of 'AGI' by Altman etc while they put their hands out for another $10bil - or, more accurately while they make a trade swap deal with MS or Nvidia or any of the other AI orobouros trade partners that hype up the bubble for self-benefit.
cley_faye@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 268d
Not only it is actually happening, it's actually well researched and mathematically proven.
EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 268d
It has been proven over and over that this is exactly what happens. I don't know if it's still the case, but ChatGPT was strictly limited to training data from before a certain date because the amount of AI content after that date had negative effects on the output.
This is very easy to see because an AI is simply regurgitating algorithms created based on its training data. Any biases or flaws in that data become ingrained into the AI, causing it to output more flawed data, which is then used to train more AI, which further exacerbates the issues as they become even more ingrained in those AI who then output even more flawed data, and so on until the outputs are bad enough that nobody wants to use it.
Did you ever hear that story about the researchers who had 2 LLMs talk to each other and they eventually began speaking in a language that nobody else could understand? What really happened was that their conversation started to turn more and more into gibberish until they were just passing random letters and numbers back and forth. That's exactly what happens when you train AI on the output of AI. The "AI created their own language" thing was just marketing.
other_cat@piefed.zip · 2 pts · 268d
JPEG artifacts but language
Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 268d
You may want to use AI's some time for the sake of science. They are many times worse than a year ago.
theneverfox@pawb.social · -1 pts · 269d
People really latched onto the idea, which was shared with the media by people actively working on how to solve the problem
MourningDove@lemmy.zip · 94 pts · 269d
Perspectivist@feddit.uk · 38 pts · 269d
Or just had a filter to hide it. I don't feel like banning something from everyone just because I personally don't like it.
MourningDove@lemmy.zip · 10 pts · 269d
Joelk111@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 269d
There's literally an app for it called Sora.
Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 269d
Hmmmm, must not be American.
finitebanjo@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 268d
I think such a filter wouldn't function well enough to keep up, such is the case with search engines which offer the feature, and instead a 0 tolerance ban would be the only effective method.
Perspectivist@feddit.uk · 1 pts · 268d
Zero tolerance ban still requires a method of detecting AI content in order to enforce said ban. Having such detection system in place would then just as well give people the option to choose for themselves whether they want to see such content or not. Ofcourse such filter isn't 100% accurate but neither is a total ban. Some of that content will always get through.
finitebanjo@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 268d
Humans can make reports to contribute to banning accounts and even IPs that prove problematic.
Humans contributing tags for filters would be like fighting the tide with a spoon.
Perspectivist@feddit.uk · 1 pts · 268d
Isn't that what you're literally advocating for here? I don't see the practical difference between having users reporting AI content versus users reporting AI content that isn't correctly labeled as such.
I stand behind what I said. Give people the option to filter it out of their own feeds if they want to. I don't wish to push my own content preferences onto people with different tastes. Curating your own feed is the way to go. Not top down control from the tech companies themselves.
finitebanjo@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 267d
You don't see a practical difference between tagging an image and removing the source of the images? Really? You can't figure it out when its been spelled out for you? You, specifically you, have a hard time understanding? You're not piecing the mystery together, yet? Your wheels are turning on this colossal conundrum?
Hey bud, mull it over for a bit and let me know if you figure it out. Smh.
Perspectivist@feddit.uk · 0 pts · 267d
Nor can I figure out this level of unprovoked hostility toward a complete stranger, but looking through your moderation history made it pretty clear that it's not personal but you’re just lashing out to cope with whatever personal issues you’re dealing with. I don't like it but get it. I genuinely hope you find some peace, but I don’t want anything more to do with this, so don’t spend your time writing a response. I've had enough with trying to deal with mean people online.
nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com · -3 pts · 269d
personally, I would ban it at the federal level and anytime you use it someone shows up at your house and destroys everything and throws away your computer. and then you go to jail. and then anyone who tries to visit you in jail gets punched in the face. and you have to eat poop in jail
Korhaka@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 269d
Prohibition of something easy to
makerun at home? An interesting choice.nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 0 pts · 269d
yea
SouthFresh@lemmy.world · 80 pts · 269d
Loops ftw
LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 15 pts · 269d
What's Loops?
compostgoblin@piefed.blahaj.zone · 48 pts · 269d
A Fediverse platform for short form video, made by the guy who makes Pixelfed
fonix232@fedia.io · 15 pts · 269d
Not really just short form, it's more of a take on video feeds rather than just the limited length quickcontent Vine was famous about.
Obviously the focus is still on short(ish) content format, but I see more and more people transition to longer videos to deliver content. On YT/Facebook most videos I see nowadays are 10min or above.
SouthFresh@lemmy.world · 28 pts · 269d
Vine, but federated!
https://joinloops.org/
ouRKaoS@lemmy.today · 9 pts · 269d
More tiktok than vine, really
SouthFresh@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 269d
You're not wrong, but an arbitrary maximum video length is the least of my problems with a Dorsey product
stephen01king@piefed.zip · 4 pts · 269d
But does it ban AI content?
SouthFresh@lemmy.world · 24 pts · 269d
That would be based on the server's policies, same as Lemmy or Mastodon.
I'd trust a federated environment a billion times more than anything Jack Dorsey is doing
mark@programming.dev · 8 pts · 269d
Yeah, will never understand why these big billionaires keep taking these "we are for the people" stances, but are still trying to spin up these same ol for-profit, centralized products. If they really cared, they'd use that money to help nonprofits or decentralized services and stay out of the damn way.
BassTurd@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 269d
It's because it's profitable, that's why they do it. As long as they don't Elon Musk, most people either don't know who these people are or don't care. And if they do go full EM, then most people still don't care and it's still profitable.
sem@piefed.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 269d
Yeah, they want money and clout
Perspectivist@feddit.uk · 21 pts · 269d
TikTok but without users.
k0e3@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 268d
TIL. Thanks friend.
Jhex@lemmy.world · 38 pts · 269d
Why would anyone touch any garbage this guy produces?!
Concave1142@lemmy.world · 34 pts · 269d
Banned for now...
LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 0 pts · 269d
cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone · 34 pts · 269d
don't care dorsey is the problem
ozoned@piefed.social · 23 pts · 269d
Another walled garden that will fracture the system even more and give even more credit to the open social web.
Blisterexe@lemmy.zip · 14 pts · 269d
It is on nostr, I don't like the protocol very much but it is decentralised
snooggums@piefed.world · 13 pts · 269d
Is it decentralized like the fediverse or 'decentralized' in theory like bluesky?
NaibofTabr@infosec.pub · 8 pts · 269d
Yes.
ozoned@piefed.social · 5 pts · 269d
No
NaibofTabr@infosec.pub · 6 pts · 269d
Maybe?
y0kai@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 9 pts · 269d
I don't know, can you repeat the question?
ouRKaoS@lemmy.today · 5 pts · 269d
You're not the boss of me now!
NaibofTabr@infosec.pub · 1 pts · 269d
He's on third.
priapus@piefed.social · 8 pts · 269d
Bluesky is decentralized, its just decentralized in a different way than Fediverse apps. A lot of fediverse people assume all decentralization would look like ActivityPub, so they just say its fake decentralization rather than learning how it works. (I know because I used to do the same, then I realized how little I understood it from this great blog post, and have since learned a lot more about it.)
There is already alternative infrastructure available (i.e. Blacksky and a variety of other applications hosted using ATProto (you can see a few here: https://bsky.social/about).
You can use any of these apps while maintaining full control of your own data by running your own PDS, or using any community maintained PDS. If you already have an account on the Bluesky PDS, you can migrate it, retaining all of your data. If you dont feel like migrating yet, you can also just export your rotation key, which would allow you to maintain control of your account even in the event that the Bluesky PDS does become evil or something.
Speaking of ATProto, sprk.so is a similar upcoming app, although I think its going to be more similar to TikTok than Vine.
Blisterexe@lemmy.zip · 7 pts · 269d
It is actually decentralised as far as I can tell, although I would like to point out that bluesky is also decentralised, while bsky.app has dominant market share, nothing stops anyone from hosting their own, completely independent, instance. Some have already done so.
priapus@piefed.social · 2 pts · 269d
And even with the large majority using bsky.app, the true decentralized nature of Bluesky is anyone can host the data server that contains the data for their account. Even if you keep using bsky.app as your frontend, your data can be kept on a self hosted PDS.
sem@piefed.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 269d
It still can't function without an appview so PDS is not decentralized, but stuff like blacksky is. Hence people being reachableon some appviews and not others now, because of different moderation decisions.
n7gifmdn@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 268d
Nostr is part of the fediverse, as is blueksy's ATProto. Neither Mastodon/LEmmy (ActivityPub) nor Bluesky (ATproto) are decentralized. They are poly-centric, and calling Bluesky poly-centric is still a little bit of a fib. NOSTR is truly decentralized. Here on Lemmy if the admin of piefed.world gets mad at the admin of lemmy.ca we couldnt' communicate anymore unless one of us got a new account. On NOSTR if the relay owner no longer wanted my content, you can connect to a different relay that does. (For example)
baduhai@sopuli.xyz · 9 pts · 269d
Except it's not a walled garden, it's built on nostr.
BonkTheAnnoyed@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 21 pts · 268d
Jack Dorsey once again singing "but baby I've changed!"
hard pass from me.
LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 11 pts · 269d
https://divine.video/ - For people who want to see for themselves.
Also the android app from the TechCrunch article, seems like it was nuked though: https://divine.b-cdn.net/app-release.apk
logicbomb@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 269d
In the main picture, about half of those videos use filters that do something based on the location of the person's head. Unless they've changed the definition since I went to college, that would be classified as a type of computer vision, aka AI.
LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 269d
Yeah they just mean the more layperson understanding of AI as in AI-generated content or as YouTube Studio dubs it: "synthetic media" (pretty good term imo)
Basically just stuff that was "generated".
I'm sure transformative use of ML like filters etc. would be fine. Even incorporation of generated elements in otherwise a normal video would be fine.
FaceDeer@fedia.io · 0 pts · 269d
So "I know it when I see it" rules, rather than anything rigorously defined.
Assuming this gets any traction at all the witch hunts will be rampant.
REDACTED@infosec.pub · 10 pts · 268d
Honestly, I don't really trust any cryptobro, I see them on similar level as AI-bros
sturmblast@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 268d
Lemmy hates everything and everyone it seems.
khepri@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 268d
Jack Dorsey more than deserves the hate and I'm happy to discuss it with you.
Dayroom7485@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 268d
We like our negativity here - it’s still okay to disagree and be positive though!
That being said, Dorsey was fine selling his last media company to the highest-bidding fascist. Chances are he‘ll do it again.
Personally, I won’t use any social media that isn’t billionaire-proof.
rageagainstmachines@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 267d
Valid criticism isn't baseless hate. And, is better to be skeptical than blindly complacent.
Stefan_S_from_H@discuss.tchncs.de · 9 pts · 267d
snooggums@piefed.world · 9 pts · 269d
Weird Al is gonna be devastated!
otacon239@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 269d
What’s that guy need so much water for anyway?!?!?
falseWhite@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 268d
Prior_Industry@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 267d
As someone else said, don't be surprised if this is a ruse to hoover up training data that isn't AI generated. Guy is a tosser.
alekwithak@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 268d
Loops: "Am I a joke to you?"
Everyone else: "Who said that?"
roserose56@lemmy.zip · 8 pts · 268d
Sure pal, sure. That's what all said, no AI, and look now.
Can't wait whe they will offer him 1bilion or scare him to death to put AI on it.
Doomsider@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 268d
To get the perfect selfie please pull your tongue back in your mouth. Good, now close you mouth. Perfect, now lower your phone thirty degree. Great, now lower it thirty degrees more. Almost there! Now lower thirty more degrees and put it the fuck away in your pocket.
Congratulations, you now have the perfect selfie.
UltraBlack@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 268d
Love this
shalafi@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 269d
I like that the 7 second limit forces creativity. We shall see where this goes. Bet uploaded videos just get posted to more popular sites.
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social · 3 pts · 269d
Or simplicity and reductive thought
shalafi@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 269d
Not it you want something impactful. Creativity and editing are tough to pack into 7 seconds.
Maeve@kbin.earth · 5 pts · 269d
Jack Dorsey can kick rocks.
Brunbrun6766@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 269d
Jack Dorsey 🤢
toiletobserver@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 269d
Surprise, mother fucker
LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 269d
Errrr...
Pretty sure that PS5 classic controller didn't come out 2013-2017. At least I hope it didn't lol.
Also what the fuck is this haha:
https://divine.video/video/f8fe8278991f82e5cbd655cc2f4eaafb98f35ec405bbe3006cdb081f797d9ea3?source=profile&pubkey=4965ffdd8abb2d5059a25cc7f268b5e160e95e066b9b37e71dca6ee8850a8486&index=6
Edit: ...and why am I downvoted again?
DarthAstrius@slrpnk.net · 1 pts · 267d
Rare Dorsey W
sturmblast@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 268d
dil@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 268d
Fine with this, want a tiktok alt and loops went nowhere
dil@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 268d
Guess it got an update and you can maybe self host now, idk no marketing budget = nothing federated is taking off, shorts platforms need ppl
Kolanaki@pawb.social · 1 pts · 267d
Is it dead or not?
I haven't been able to log in for a few weeks. I thought they killed the project.
dil@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 267d
Need to get a new testflight if on iphone it has an update, but yeah its still mediocre and kinda pointless to post with the compression and lack of users
Cheems@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 268d
Forgot about loops.
It was kinda clunky
mlg@lemmy.world · -3 pts · 268d
Go back to sleep, dude has jumped on every consumer trend ever since he left Twitter. AI content is not even a core issue of current social media platforms, despite its overwhelming popularity and loads of posts.
mrdown@lemmy.world · -3 pts · 269d
6 seconds vids. What a joke
y0kai@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 9 pts · 269d
Lol the original vine is still my favorite dead platform. The comedy you can produce in 6 seconds is great.
boonhet@sopuli.xyz · 4 pts · 269d
It forces creativity, and sudden endings to things can be funny. I think it's a better format than the long-ass "shorts" on YT or TikTok for short-form video content. Make it 6 seconds or make it 30 minutes.
chrash0@lemmy.world · -9 pts · 269d
it’s already the case that the distinction between what’s “AI” and what isn’t is a subjective, aesthetic difference and not a technical one
Chronographs@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 269d
Detecting it is difficult but what actually is or isn’t AI should be pretty cut and dry. Either nothing completely generated, or no footage edited using generative ai (depending on how strict you want to be with your ban)
chrash0@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 269d
what about the neural networks that power the DSP modules in all modern cell phones cameras? does a neural network filter that generates a 3D mesh or rather imposes a 3D projection, eg putting dog ears on yourself or Memojis, count? what if i record a real video and have Gemini/Veo/whatever edit the white balance? i don’t think it’s as cut and dry as most people think
jwmgregory@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 269d
most people, unfortunately, don’t seem to think when they see the letters ‘A’ and ‘I’… these people probably would burn sage at the sight of the identity matrix lol.
i think you’re probably wasting your breath here but you seem like you might be cool, so if you’re interested in discussing ML at all reach out fs!
Chronographs@lemmy.zip · 0 pts · 269d
Every single one of those I’d put under the second category. It’d be hard to detect but it’s certainly not subjective. It just depends on how it’s written.
chrash0@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 268d
but what are the criteria? just because you think you have a handle on it doesn’t mean everyone else does or even shares your conclusion. and there’s no metric here i can measure, to for example block it from my platform.
Chronographs@lemmy.zip · 0 pts · 268d
The criteria is whatever you put in the “no ai” policy on the site. Whether that be ‘you can’t post videos wholly generated from a prompt’ to ‘you can’t post anything that uses any form of neural net in the production chain’ to something in between. You can specify what types are and are not included and blanket ban/allow everything else. It can definitely be defined in the user agreement, the part that’s actually hard would be detection/enforcement.
chrash0@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 268d
my point is that it’s hard to program someone’s subjective, if written in whatever form of legalese, point of view into a detection system, especially when those same detection systems can be used to great effect to train systems to bypass them. any such detection system would likely be an “AI” in the same way the ones they ban are and would be similarly prone to mistakes and to reflecting the values of the company (read: Jack Dorsey) rather than enforcing any objective ethical boundary.
Chronographs@lemmy.zip · 0 pts · 268d
Every single comment I said that detecting them would be the hard part, I’ve been talking about defining the type of content that is allowed/banned not the part where they actually have to filter it.
jwmgregory@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 0 pts · 268d
i'm fucking dead you have to be taking the piss lmfao
Chronographs@lemmy.zip · 0 pts · 267d
Whether AI art is good is subjective, it will change based on the whims of who you ask and cannot be defined. Whether something is AI generated depends on what definition you use but given a definition it either fits it or it doesn’t. It’s not subjective it’s just a little broad. As far as it being hard to detect that has no bearing on whether it is or isn’t AI.
jwmgregory@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 267d
I am so sorry, I don't mean to be terse, but; We must speak a different English because this is the actual fucking dictionary definition of "subjective" :
THEREFORE, ANOTHER WAY OF SAYING:
MIGHT BE...
Regardless,
You summed up the problem with your own semantic definitions and viewpoints earlier pretty well. What you're basically saying is there could exist a model that defines and filters AI content based on a subjective definition of genAI, which no shit sherlock - that's fucking trivial and can be said about anything. There could exist a model that subjectively defines unicorns and filters them out of all content too. Doesn't mean it's actually useful to anybody or that there's any practical reason to build it, though.
You're just talking past @chrash0@lemmy.world who's trying to point out to you that actually defining what constitutes genAI content is the hard part. You're being obtuse and intentionally ignoring it by focusing on the implementation itself being easy.
Of course filtering things by a definition you've set is trivial. Out of all infinite possible definitions that we can choose, how do we make the right assumptions to choose the most optimal one, though? Do you see the issue and why you're being kind of fucking stupid, man?
Chronographs@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 267d
I don't agree that having multiple definitions for something makes it subjective, what it makes it is vague. If you provide one one of those definitions to someone and ask them if something meets it (and for the sake of argument they have full knowledge of how it was created) they should always be able to come to the same conclusion. As I understand it, and the definitions you provided, what makes something subjective is whether it will be unique to the person evaluating it. If my definition of good art is it makes ME feel something, somebody else could look at the same thing I do and come to a different conclusion. You couldn't build a model that filters out bad art based on that subjective definition. All I've been trying to say is that whether something is AI is something that is definable but apparently I'm being too fucking stupid to make that clear.