Linux can be intimidating. And there is going to be a learning curve. Especially if you're the kind of windows user who's familiar with gpedit and has custom .bat files.
But what get's left out is the joy and satisfaction that comes with learning how to Linux. I just re-installed my OS a week ago, and I was able to recognize and resolve dependency and permissions issues without having to look anything up. I also finally learned and started using rsync for backups over SSH/SAMBA. I know it's not much, but it made me feel like a real hackerman.
The only thing I learned in my last few years of Windows was how to disable features that annoyed me.
I would think someone who is taking advantage of bat files would feel right at home with shell scripts in Linux. In my experience, shell was much easier to pick up than batch
Batch is probably the same, but what always made me laugh about shell scripts is you could ask a bunch of people how to do something, and they’d all have a different way, it’s like there’s always a new tool to learn and try to fit into your workflow if you want, I love it
I think I agree with this. I believe that if you are heavily into group policy or a centralized registry it would be a harder conversion. But you can even "hack" bat files to work for both Linux and Windows depending on what launches it. I had to do that with a testing bot that I sometimes ran on windows, sometimes ran on Linux. It involves abusing the label system on bat (which translates to a command true which accepts no arguments on sh). Granted you are still writing both files but, using this method you can have the windows version of it on the same page as the bash version so you can go line by line instead of having a second file open
No. Bazzite is pretty good at one thing and that thing is gaming. If you want do anything else and there is no flatpack/appimage for it you're shit out of luck, unless you want to ostree and thereby breaking the reason for using an immutable distro in the first place. That is the whole reason I tried and switched my main rig over to Fedora 43 KDE so I could at least use a normal package manager.
Well it started with my graphics driver for the AMD RX 6800 XT that cause compositor freezes on Wayland so my panels just froze for no reason, fix -> switch to X11.
Browser was hogging an insane amount of cpu to just render Youtube, reason was the hardware video encoder was not enabled, tried to install mesa drivers and you can only do that with rpm-ostree (first breakage of immutable) spend two days debugging and flatpack overwrites to try and fix it to no avail, left it as is.
Next wanted NordVPN because I've been useing their service for forever, no official flatpack so I needed to use distrobox which is a vm running on my machine with another os in it to run a simple program or use rpm-ostree to install the nordvpn normal linux package (second breakage).
Has some issues with getting a network share to work, ended up having to make a script that mounted the drive on boot. My normal Linux distro just used fstab and it worked.
Next issue installing Bambulabs software, appimage doesn't work because it depends on gtk, rpm-ostree install number 3, it didn't take so I gave up after a week of fighting the OS and just installed Fedora KDE Plasma.
I'm not new to Linux, hell I've been on and off it since Fedora Red Hat 8.0 played around with enough Debian (Ubuntu) based distro's as well. Three years ago I switch my working machine over to Pop_OS! had some issues but non breaking ones that I could always fix. Wanted to switch over my main home machine over from Windows 10 to Bazzite because that one is mainly used for gaming, but I wanted to be able to do other things with it as well.
I agree that the puzzle solving is a huge factor in my enjoyment of Linux, and is the same for friends of mine who hopped over. But sometimes I have to remember there are some people who despise puzzles and they are not going to have a good time.
To give the author credit, ignoring the other flaws with windows, most things "just worked" and generally either didn't have an issue or if it did, fixed it's own issues. I didn't really have to resolve any issues or anything. Heck it even fixed itself if it failed to update, rolling back the changes and alerting the user next boot (which I usually just ignored and let fix itself which it generally did after a few days/tries! lol)
My current rig had Windows as the primary OS from 2016 to about 2024, during that time I don't recall any times I had to actually look up any issues unless I personally created the problem. I think the most extensive issue I had was my 5700xt crashing under high load but that wasn't something I could fix anyway as it was a driver issue, or when i made the entire system unbootable cause I messed up making a recovery partition
When I swapped back to Linux (Linux Mint at first, then Linux Mint DE, then Debian 12, now Debian 13), I had multiple hurdles from my headset not functioning, to my video card not being supported, no login screen(this surprised me as I had thought Debian was supposed to be stable), etc, these issues didn't fix themselves, I had to fix them. Granted some were easier to fix (like the no login screen was a super simple edit to a config file), but it wasn't something I had to deal with on windows.
Linux isn't going to hold your hand like Windows does with issues. So yea you need to resolve your own issues, Linux isn't going to do it for you, the most it will do is post a command in the log saying "issue X expected, run this command to fix"
Running windows is like playing with an action figure. You take it out of the box and it does what it's supposed to. Linux I consider more like a Lego set. Sure you have to put some stuff together before you really play with it, but it's YOUR creation by the time your done with it and you can modify to suit your use case. If you have no interest in tinkering with ur OS windows or Mac is just a better option, if you want to tailor your experience how you'd like Linux is the way. I run W11 on my gaming PC because I don't have time to mess with it and experiment anymore. I have played with so many Linux distros but never had one work flawless out of the gate, and always reserved it for my secondary fuck around rigs because if I wanted to fuck around I could but I do want something that i can press the power button and evrything works fine without use of my brain after working a 13 hour day where i might get lucky to play for 40 mins lol. My fuck around time these days is totally sapped by project vehicles and house issues the last think I wanna do is play around in terminal when I have 10k other more important things to do :c
Fully agree. When I mention switching to Linux on the rare occasion it comes up I make sure to mention that you can do basically anything on the platform, but with that customization comes drawbacks. If you are afraid to research an issue then I would not recommend full stop. I also mention not to be afraid of needing to use the terminal if needed. Don't expect a 1:1 it'll do most things you can do on Windows, but there will be some things you just can't
Running windows is like playing with an action figure. You take it out of the box and it does what it's supposed to. Linux I consider more like a Lego set. Sure you have to put some stuff together before you really play with it, but it's YOUR creation by the time your done with it and you can modify to suit your use case
I really love this analogy, and plan to steal it for future use.
I'm not sure I entirely agree anymore. I've installed Mint OS on both my mother's and my grandmother's computers and neither of them have complained a single time about it to me. Setting up a printer was even easier, I tried helping an acquaintance with W11 set up a printer and it was hell, with Mint it just figured out everything relevant on its own, I just had to confirm that it was correct.
No kidding! W11 and w10 always worked with all of my printers (Canon) out of the box, once the printer was connected to WiFi they always just picked them up and worked! Last time I tried to get a cheap wifi card (Linksys) to work on Ubuntu however, not so lucky lol.
I sometimes forget others dont have these massive time sucks and can afford to troubleshoot for hours. I cant! Even though its kind of fun, I have shit to do.
No kidding! I never feel like I have enough time, always feel like I'm behind on all my projects and spreading myself thin. When I had less money and less projects and didn't own a house I played so much more video games and messed around Linux installing new distro every couple weeks on my old rigs or laptops that had fallen into my lap. Now my times all tied up with all the messes I have gotten myself into, speaking of which I should probably be putting the new exhaust fan in my bathroom that's been sitting new in the box for 6 months or something instead of fucking off in the fediverse :'(
This is a common misconception I think. "Stable" from a development point of view (which is what Debian is) is not the same as "Stable" from a user point of view. It can be, as long as no other variables are changing. But a typical desktop user IS a variable, and they change other variables all the time. "Stable" makes sense on a server, where the server has a defined role and a specific purpose that basically never changes. It's "stable" and if the OS is also "stable" that gives you assurance that nothing is going to break unexpectedly... ONCE you have it tested and set up properly to be stable in the first place.
But installing on a fresh system where you've never run this OS before is the antithesis of stable. You are initially in an "experimental" state, and you may need the latest updates and patches to even be compatible with the hardware you're running. Then you're going to use this system daily, downloading stuff, installing new apps and tools regularly, changing configurations when you feel like it. None of this is stable. And that's fine, it's not wrong, it's just the reality of being a user with a desktop system. It's not stable, it's not supposed to be. It's your daily driver.
To paraphrase George Carlin, a bad driver, driving a safe car doesn't really make you safe, at all. First, learn to drive THEN get your safe car. A stable distribution like Debian is for people who already know how to find all the compatible-by-default hardware and do the configuration necessary to make things safe and stable and using Debian assures them that once they have got it into that state, Debian isn't going to undo their work and make unexpected changes.
For users, especially on the desktop, you often want bleeding edge latest updates to fix these kind of compatibility issues as soon as they're identified, even without absolutely rigorous testing and validation that it won't mess up someone's "stable" configuration. You really do want the opposite of "stable" development, in order to make your own system more stable as quickly and reliably as possible in the circumstances. It will never be as stable as Debian running on a server, but that's normal, and expected. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
Debian is a good OS, but as a desktop user, on your main system, it might be counterproductive. For what it's worth, I run PikaOS, which is a gaming-focused distro derived from Debian (Debian's stable foundation is a huge asset for people building distros on top of it) but provides prompt access to all the latest updates and patches needed for gaming and includes configurations and drivers for supporting the latest consumer level hardware and all the common tools and things that power users want, that are becoming popular day by day. This is the opposite of "stable development" but it's perfect for a desktop system in my opinion and they do a great job.
Yea, I get that. Stable is from the developer POV, my expectation though was that I could at least finish the install process without running into an issue. I didn't expect that a built in driver would decide to just black screen and the official driver to just not work period(Linux Mint), or that the installer wouldn't be smart enough to properly configure the X server to allow for a login(Debian 12).
I somewhat expected it of Mint, but for Debian 12 I was pretty surprised to see it. You would think something that was good enough to reach a point where they did a package freeze would be able to at least reach a desktop before showing signs of an issue. But I guess considering that the installer itself crashes if you try to manually partition a server, and then decide to go back in and set up luks in the installer, I shouldn't be too surprised.
Being said, I have not heard of Did not know that PikaOs it was a Debian derivative, I might actually look into that one then. (and yes before you ask it is exclusively because it contains "Pika" so I think it would be funny to try it 😂)
edit: I realized after seeing the logo I had heard of it, just didn't know it was based off debian.
Haha I just noticed your name, that's a funny coincidence. But yeah I'm a big fan of Debian in general. The problem, as you noticed, is often it doesn't have great support for the latest hardware. On the other hand, it often has great support for older hardware, and PikaOS refuses to install at all on some of my older, less capable systems, so those are running Debian right now. So it's kind of a "right tool for the job" sort of situation. They have their purposes, it's definitely not one-size-fits-all.
Every tech company in existence, in exchange for all of your privacy and now subscription fee.
For the low low price of all of your money and privacy you can avoid having to figure out how to backup your own files and have a team of developers ensuring that any kind of difficulty that you have will be fixed before you even realize it was a problem.
Once it is ensured that you will never develop those skills you are completely dependent on their services and they can keep jacking up the price.
Hate Netflix's price increase, or password sharing restrictions? Too bad you spent 8 years not learning how to setup streaming media that you control. Hate listening to ads in order to listen to music? Well, it looks like Spotify doing everything for you has paid off for them.
Everyone has traded their privacy for convenience, if you want your privacy back then you have to give back the convenience and learn to do things for yourselves.
The entire internet? Whatever problem you had on windows you can just Google it and there's either a YouTube video, reddit thread, or some obscure forum post that fixes your exact issue by copy and pasting some Powershell commands or a random bat file or GitHub project.
Linux? It's gotten better, but the community side can get quite toxic or outright ignorant of how to troubleshoot any kind of issues tbh.
Same with Linux. Is there a problem Search it. Someone had that problem before. Shit even basic AI can help you out if you can't quickly solve the issue.
For me I got better results if I used the actual distro + version in the search, Linux is to general a term, but say Fedora 43 + problem would really narrow down the amount of results and also prevent really old answers to pop up.
That's probably the direct opposite of my experience and an experience of everyone I know.
With Windows problems you do get a lot of very, very long youtube videos that says a lot of things, but unless your problem is trivial, the shit wouldn't work, and random bat files aren't working for unexpected problems, or are just viruses. More often then not though, you get a question on Microsoft forum, with one answer asking you to run that windows repair bullshit that never actually solves anything. And then you just accept that it's not something you can do and move on with your life, thinking that ignoring the problem is actually solving it. Alternatively there is for some reason very expensive program that does what you wanted badly, while using 20% of your machine's resources, but you're so exhausted at this point, that you pretend it's normal.
With Linux you will get snarky answers telling you that you're an idiot for not reading the error message on your screan (which is, yeah, you are), or that you're an idiot for not reading the first page of man (which is, yeah, see above), or the most detailed explanation of inner workings of this specific thing that is giving you troubles, and you pretend to understand all of it while just copying and pasting all the random commands from the answer like an idiot that you are. But if you actually want to learn, you just do that, and then your problem is solved and you're a bit more knowledgeable in the end.
Every time people talk about how Linux community is unhelpful, I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. How can I always find help and support no matter how weird and obscure or banal and trivial my problem is, am I special or do people don't know how to google? I mean, snarky and condescending? Yeah, that happens. But unhelpful? Never in my experience.
The trick is to learn to absolutely despise Windows before doing the switch, then everytime something breaks on Linux you reminisce about the olden days and decide that typing two or three commands in the terminal isn't so bad afterall.
Or you can do like I did and simply put an extra hard drive in, load Linux on it. Then use your old Windows hard drive as a storage drive. For the first couple of weeks it was a nice safety blanket to have.
Oh, and if your PC doesn't have the room inside for an extra hard drive. Make it an external.
My first night on Linux was rough. Getting all my apps installed and set up was exhausting, especially because I had no experience using the command line. For those who haven’t stared into the dark void of a Linux terminal before, it’s where most system management happens — installing apps, running updates, and the like. It’s an unavoidable part of the Linux experience
Bullshit. And fuck you for propagating perpetuating this notion, yet again.
You dont have to. But honestly its worth the time to get over the fear of the terminal. Understanding how they work and being comfortable using them has many advantages. So many things do not require a bloated GUI application. Like again its not necessary but its a bandaid that I think is worth it to rip off.
I really take issue with the author suggesting that you need to. You do not need to, and it is a myth that needs to go away. Particularly when they said it was "exhausting" installing applications. Linux is miles ahead on that front: you look through a list of what you like, or search for them, and click on the ones you want.
Also for system management, there is no need for the terminal either and the author says "It’s an unavoidable part of the Linux experience". That one in particular really doesn't sit well with me.
Now can you? Yes. Should you? Also yes, because it is the easiest way to convey and execute an idea. But you do not have to.
And they fail to mention that windows does this too, for almost every task for system maintenance is done this way: press run+r, now type "whatever -command".
Anyways a moderately mainstream article and they are going to scare people away over something they did not need to do. Which after a year you would think they would have figured that out.
I agree for the most part. It depends a lot on what distro youre using, what DE, so on. But you can easily get by on gnome without having to use the terminal much if at all.
KDE as well. It is astounding how easy it is to use a modern KDE distro: everything has tips and hints get you to the setting you want. Even mounting shares is just click and mount.
The one I'm on has a very functional "search and install" app, but I still find myself habitually opening up terminal for installation out of "fastness". Maybe it's a poor impulse I should correct.
Probably the biggest thing driving terminal use is opening and configuring system files. You can do that with the file explorer and an elevated text editor, but a lot of guides aiming for conciseness will give you some command to wget a long file online, then insert content into a text file by path in one line.
Oh for fucks sake, so much neckbeard energy here dismissing this guys personal experience.
When you're a new user and don't know what the hell the native app store application is, which doesn't have all the programs a person would want to use and install there, and when a new user goes to find their old windows apps that have Linux install instructions, what's the first thing that they have there? Guess. It's always find your flavor of Linux and the first steps shown are always terminal commands with sudo apt get or sudo dnf.
That's everyone first time with Linux until they learn more about it so get off your high horse and condescending gatekeeping attitude.
Gatekeeping, I hate that word. So useless. In this scenario the author is gate keeping saying all the linux system management is the command line. Its "exhausting". Well bullshit. Let me say it again: BULLSHIT.
It is perpetuating a myth. This is not true. They are gatekeeping the users who don't want to because they are saying it has to be this way.
Look, I like the command line, I get why sharing information is so much easier by providing a command rather than a wall of screen shots.
Yet at the same time, my travel laptop over here, two years in, has never had to have "system administration" and package installation from a command line. Depending on the distro it simply is not necessary.
Buddy, they literally do not know that choice exists, and you're getting angry and calling them a liar instead of growing the community by teaching.
The Linux community has a reputation for being filled with condescending dickheads, and that's part of the reason why people are turned off from even trying.
Buddy, they literally do not know that choice exists
Yeah, because people like this author keep repeating it.
The Linux community has a reputation for being filled with condescending dickheads
Yet another annoying myth. Look, I am saying it with a bit of vitrol here, but its basically to the universe as the author (as far as I know) isn't here.
Could I be a bit nicer? I suppose, but they were so wrong, and using strong words like "exhausting" to describe a practice they don't even have to do is annoying. Read what they wrote, they said all admin tasks are command line. Nonsense of course. If they had said, I started out this way, or it was what I had learned, with just a tiny bit of journalistic effort they would know there are a variety of ways.
I have gone back and read forums, from 10 to 15 years ago, just because I keep hearing: linux is so condescending and rude, and it wasn't the way I remembered it, so I went to see. And guess what? Nothing but nice and friendly people trying to help each other.
I am running EndeavourOS and it's possible to function without terminal. I use it because I love it but no need at least not for app installing having Discover.
Anyway can't compare an arch based distro to Fedora or Ubuntu
They are both built for stability, Arch is built to be bleeding edge.
None is superior to the other, that depends on the user, but an arch-based distro will require the terminal sooner than later, while you don't need to touch it in Ubuntu.
Because Fedora and Ubuntu (Debian) have been around for forever? In my experience Arch also feels more like a your on your own kind of Distro which I liked back in the day (build one myself with an online guide), but now I just want my machine to run and function unattended besides the updates.
Keep in mind that changes are coming even if you stay on Windows or Mac or Android or iOS. AI in particular is going to require everyone to relearn everything in non-deterministic ways, so you end up begging the system to do what you want in new creative ways. Also, the UI will be radically reworked over and over. There's really no way to avoid learning new ways to do things on an invention that's less than 50 years old.
Yes, it's work that we don't usually have the energy for, especially now, but the best we can do is look for a community to support each other through it all.
That is true and a large part of why I do love how linux mostly has stayed the same for 20 years in its basic form. I was able to apply a lot of the things I had remembered from years ago when I used it briefly.
Why do you neckbeards constantly lie so aggressively about this? That post exactly describes every single Linux migration I've ever done. You WILL end up in the terminal at some point, and you will find apps and games that just don't work well in Linux.
I kinda get there's some common meme about Nvidia being Linux's kryptonite, but everything's been okay for me on CachyOS. This after some issues earlier in the year on Mint and even Bazzite.
Not every time, but far too often. They don't seem to care that they're discriminating against people with AV impairment, plus locking out some secure browsers.
archive.is is not related to the internet archive and I believe is run by a solo dev with private funding.
I looked into who runs it a bit and oh wow, it's far far worse than that. If you get a captcha from archive.is / archive.ph / archive.today and allow it scripting permission, it seems to use your browser as part of a DDoS attack. See https://infosec.exchange/@iampytest1/115902693235671566 and linked pages.
Sometimes I'm able to get around it by tweaking some ublock permissions, but once I was surprised to discover that changing my user-agent with user-agent switcher seemed to do the trick. It's really strange. Cloudflare's captcha loops are inscrutable.
LLM-driven web scraping is intense for some sites, so their bot detection software is tuned in a way that creates a lot of false positives.
Obscuring your browser fingerprint, or blocking javascript, or using an unusual user-agent string can trigger a captcha challenge.
If you're not doing that and seeing a site suddenly start giving your captchas then they may be being DDoS'd by scrapers and are challenging all clients.
A site that archives content is especially vulnerable because they have a lot of the data that is useful for AI training.
It is incredibly annoying, but until we have a robust way of proving identity that can't be gamed by bad actors we're stuck with individual user challenges.
I haven't faced a captcha but, it just took a solid 2 minutes to resolve and load the article for me. Maybe they have something else happening behind the scenes impacting performance so they are locking down certain routes?
I don't have this problem;
You probably are using TOR or a VPN and it triggered the captcha, if it's not then it's def strange, never seen this happen to me
Waiting patiently for commercial software to be ported to Linux:
creative suites, I think Canva is working on Affinity for Linux but they want to release their iPad version first. Wine is working right now but there are a few things I’m getting tired of (navigating folders and trying to print). I know, Gimp, Inkscape and Krita.
3D modeling software for engineers, like solidworks or NX. I’m trying Blender add-ons for CAD but it’s not as capable. Don’t you dare suggest FreeCAD.
For what it's worth, REAPER works great on Linux. Ik it doesn't fill quite the same niche as Ableton but it is very capable, especially paired with yabridge for using VSTs via WINE.
and if you're into a tracker-like workflow, renoise works really well on linux (assuming you can set up jack/pipewire properly or undo the horrror upon linux audio servers that is p*lseaudio. i feel this applies to most daws on linux)
Not my experience, sorry.
I have bought Reaper years ago and the Windows experience was flawless.
In order to even get audio, I need to launch Reaper via terminal using "pw-jack reaper" otherwise I have either garbage audio or too much latency.
My VST plugins (iZotope RX 11, iZotope VEA, Arturia Keylab, Bias FX) wouldn't run via yabridge, haven't figured out why yet.
I assume it has something to do with activating licenses or whatever crap like that. The entire "pro audio" industry and their overbearing licensing and "security" schemes can go suck a duck. For real.
When you get deep into niche stuff like this, Linux is such a pain in the ass. I like it for casual use and even some gaming but I'm not going to lie, a lot of hobbyist stuff is just so much easier on Mac or Windows. Which makes sense since Linux isn't in widespread use by normies and also isn't a desktop-first OS.
And drivers too. Yeah, we've got the big stuff covered, Intel, AMD, NVidia all release Linux drivers. But peripherals manufacturers mostly target Windows, maybe macOS, but leave Linux drivers to be developed by the community.
I have a Hope/Hate relationship with FreeCAD. Sometimes I can get it to do something useful and I get hopeful. Then I try to do something simple and ruin the entire design and have to start from scratch and I curse the developers lineage for all of time. I want it to be great, and it is closer than it has ever been. But it isn't a replacement for professional design suites.
I wish I could just go in and use freecad but it just doesn't make sense to me. the software I've tried before I could just go in and make something by winging it but freecad that seems impossible
I've used onshape and it is indeed way more intuitive but it's one of those on the cloud only you don't own your files in any way platforms, but it does the job in a pinch and I've used it to make 3d printed replacement parts for random broken crap at my old job
i'm just dreaming of a good after effects clone (or port) for linux (preferably open source). left-angle autograph kicked the bucket, and pikimov is just a bit too limited. at least fusion360 can be streamed in a browser now, but freecad seems to be getting quite good as of lately.
i pretty much only use windows at school now for ae/cad work.
Might be worth looking at BricsCAD (but honestly as an engineer who has professionally used a number of different CAD packages, FreeCAD honestly isn't that bad and I happily use it at home, it just has a different workflow)
Seems like someone posted a update or extension or something for Freecad that changed the interface and made it more familiar. I don't mind it the way it is, but apparently others like the change. Might be worth searching for.
In contrast, Linux won’t stop you if you try to use a command that deletes every file on your PC (“sudo rm -rf /”).
Actually AFAIK it will stop that specific command nowadays. I don't have a VM handy to test, but without the "--no-preserve-root" flag it should give an error.
(Don't actually run that command on a machine you care about, I'm only 80% confident.)
Yeah, the Linux community has done a shitload of work to bring Linux up to as good as windows (in the technical sense) and better than windows (regarding the often hostile user experience).
Microsoft is now helping with the marketing by making the windows experience even worse, driving more people to "take the plunge" only for them to realize there isn't a place where the floor suddenly drops away and you're left helpless, and that that actually is a better description for using windows outside of the rails MS wants.
If you use an AMD gpu, there's actually fewer steps to go from empty disk to playing a game, assuming that game isn't trying to do things with the kernel or is one of the rare games that aren't compatible for reasons other than anti-cheat (I've seen one game like that so far, forget the name of it but a logistics game that needed some dotnet library or something and I ended up giving up and refunding it rather than troubleshooting it until it worked, though others on protondb did say they got it working).
The days where windows gives an easier or better experience are gone, even ignoring all the next level enshitification of win 11. I've been on Linux for about a year now but wish I had switched sooner.
If you use an AMD gpu, there's actually fewer steps to go from empty disk to playing a game
That's the theory, assuming that the Amd Gpu works with Linux. It might also just crash your system, which is a know problem of the driver, which hasn't been fixed. You have to semi-randomly pass parameters to the kernel, hoping to find something that works.
The Linux/Mac combo covers just about every computing requirement, even for corporate users. You do not need Windows unless you play competitive online multiplayer games.
Me:
Mac -
Music production software
Adobe software
Some corporate VPNs and VDI access required by some clients
I left Windows 15 years ago (still have to use it for work every so often)... I have yet to encounter something cryptic breaking on Linux
When the things go wrong on Linux, which in my experience is rare, you are basically in Windows territory: reboot if you don't know how to fix it or reformat/reinstall which is 10 times faster anyway
Right now, my daily driver is a branch of a branch (Garuda Linux which is fork of a branch of Manjaro which itself is a branch of Arch)... it comes with KDE as desktop which is awesome but I felt like experimenting with Hyprland which is not even at version 1.0 yet... and I basically configured it from scratch myself... I also share this box with my son who does use KDE as his desktop which is actually not recommended (KDE Plasma and Hyprland in the same box, I mean)
As per any advice you will find out there, this machine should be like the crazy robot in Futurama that explodes with no warning at any little thing and yet, it's my daily driver for work, daily gamer for my son... rock solid and smooth... I have had 1 odd freeze I chose not to wait out and just rebooted the box in 9 months, and the freeze happened accessing Windows365 Desktop... go figure
I ran Asahi on an 8/256GB M1 mini for a few months as my primary work machine. Worked perfectly fine, besides the lack of a second screen. Sounds like they've finally cracked that though, and are preparing to release the upgrade to general users.
Obviously, software is a little more patchy, but I didn't truly struggle to fill my needs. Amusingly, I discovered that Mixxx, the DJ software works well on it.
Might put Asahi back on it and use it as my Home Assistant machine, freeing up some processing power from the poor 2014 Mac mini that I'm currently using (with Mint) as my general purpose home server.
Depends on what end of the corporate world you are working in. I do industrial automation, and there's no way you are getting out of having a Windows VM at the very least.
For sure. I actually detailed our VDI setup in another thread. We use linux minipcs running VMWare and Win10 IOT LTSC VMs to connect to clients that require Windows or "secured Windows" where they install all sorts of bloatware.
EDIT: I should note that the vast majority of our clients have since moved to VDIs, which can be accessed from Macs. Unfortunately, they mostly use Citrix and I have not found a way to get that citrix client to work well on Linux.
They all have their drawbacks. If I could install MacOS on my laptop I would. But you can only install it on overpriced, irreparable, disposable hardware.
The right tool for the job is what I always say. Macs, especially on Apple Silicone, are next to impossible to beat for music production. The performance of those chips and the universal support from hardware and software manufacturers make it the best tool. What I find is that the number of scenarios in which Windows is the best tool is rapidly approaching zero.
I get your point but the truth is that Apple's M processors do a far better job than Intel and AMD processors do when it comes to this type of work. I started on Linux with Reaper and BitWig but the Macs performance was significantly better. Also, software and hardware support is key. All music gear manufacturers and software vendors support apple, including Apple silicone. You can run many VSTs through comparability layers but the latency is a huge problem and the alteady high CPU demands get exacerbated.
I have been on Linux since very early days and have always been a proponent of it. Music production is just not an niche that is currently as well covered by Linux as it is by Mac. We need a Linux push in music like the one Valve did in gaming. If Abelton and Native Instruments went all in on Linux, I think much of the industry would follow.
I've been using my M2 Air to broadcast a radio show for the past couple of years. It's basically flawless, even using an iPad as a virtual MIDI controller for some of the faders.
I'm currently in the process of replicating the setup on my Linux PC, and fuck me, it's proving an arsehole by comparison. I'm willing to accept that a good chunk is just me being far less familiar with the OS than with macOS, but it's considerably less intuitive when it comes to things like hooking up virtual MIDI controllers and the like. I'll get it sorted, but I won't be truly happy that it's broadcast solid for a few weeks yet, I don't think.
The actual playout software is Mixxx on both, but the underlying MIDI controlling is slightly different. Enough that I'm not 100% on how it works on Linux.
I had crashes on Linux because of defective hardware but first thought it was because of software/config/driver issues. I reinstalled the OS, problem persisted. I installed two other completely different distros, problem still there. To make sure it's not because of Linux in general, I installed Windows...
Damn the installation of Windows (newest image) with updates and only the basic drivers for GPU and mainboard took longer than installing three different Linux distros, and I'm not exaggerating!
Linux: Boot installer, choose to use network installation so you get the newest packages, maybe add or remove some features, choose locales, enter login credentials, files get copied, reboot when finished, done.
Windows: Boot installer, workaround to use local account, installing files, reboot, installing more files, choose locale and login credentials, answer questions about privacy, install more files, reboot, login to Windows, download updates, reboot, download more updates, reboot, open edge (optional: install other browser), visit mainboard manufacturer website, search for correct drivers, install, reboot, visit GPU website, download driver, install, reboot...
And then it's only the absolute minimum. No debloat or other software installed like office suite or steam which on Linux can selected and installed directly with the OS.
Those simple and easy devices are not simple and easy inherently.
That is a result the company paying a lot of developers and designers to anticipate your needs and fix your problems before you have them. Those companies want a return on that investment and they get it in the form of your privacy and platform-enforced dependence on their services.
So far in my friend group it's just CoD, Destiny...forget the others. I don't play those but literally every game I do wanna play just works for the last few years. 🤷♂️
The only games that don't run nowadays I think are the ones that require installing kernel malware so you might reconsider playing them regardless of your OS.
Even some of those work, Helldivers 2 for instance. I usually check protondb.com to make sure if I can run the game if it does not have a native build.
Not everything has to be 100% perfect - even Windows is not able to run all of my games. Most games run without problems and those games which make problems are mostly due to anticheat. It's a perfectly reasonable solution to simply dual boot if you want to play Call of modern Warfare: DLC edition
i miss handwriting input; both english and chinese writing. yes keyboard is faster but time spent writing isn't that wasted for me, and my posture is better when i used a drawing tablet exclusively instead of mouse and keyboard, also i've bullied windows handwriting recognition enough that it's pretty much chicken scratch input.
Not really, just because something is old doesn't mean its bad. We dont want to lose handwriting as a society when all of our devices are dumb terminals linked to bezosnet and youre not allowed to type anything bad about Dear Leader.
We can stand to lose cursive, as long as it's readable, then any style of handwriting works.
But anyhow my point is that the other guy is making shit up to complain about and nobody "needs a device in order to know how to do handwriting" other than literally those incapable due to physical disabilities (e.g. nerve damage)
It's clearly you kids are the problem these days. Sure I may have forgotten how to write certain archaic kanji and their radicals without the aid of a device but I can still write the other 20k characters perfectly while the youths can barely make do with only 5k.
not to the point of fast sloppy cursive so bad i can't read it myself, and that's what i get with windows after using it for years. linux apps just didn't match up and i keep getting cranky it's better to just stop.
edit: went looking around and still no new ones or updates to the ones existing. it's possible i missed something, i don't actually pay attention to this anymore.
I think this is a result of much site traffic being AI search agents or crawlers nowadays, which doesn't generate any ad income for sites. So they don't really have a choice
I switched months ago after some full screen pop up for Windows 11 took over my whole screen in the middle of me doing stuff. In a blind rage, i plugged my usb in and downloaded Pop. Did a full clean install and never looked back. There have been some hiccups, but nothing that couldn't be fixed right away.
I think i had to boot into my windows partition 3 times last year. twice for the battlefield beta, and once for a discord quest because I really wanted the points for something in the shop.
That's with a steam recap saying that I played 100+ games last year so I think that's a pretty solid indicator on the progression of the linux ecosystem.
I think I've booted my windows install maybe two or three times after getting things setup on my Bazzite box, and each time was desperation because I couldn't get something working on a time crunch (like my microphone no longer working before a telehealth appointment) and most of the time it's user error (like the audio profile being switched so the mic wasn't enabled for some reason).
Honestly, the only complaint I have is that periodically flat/snap apps (idr offhand) don't want to open and I have to reboot a couple times before they do. Can't say the same for my windows installs....
Yep. I've been during linux as my main desktop for maybe a year or two now, and it's been fine. I don't tinker with it. Most things just work.
The only thing that's been a little dicey is mods for games, but I think I just need to figure out how like wine and proton prefixes work. It's probably not hard, I just haven't had a need lately.
What kind of exotic hardware do you have? Pretty much any of the old and new hardware I keep throwing at it has worked, do you have specialized equipment?
IMO that's not the fault of Linux per se but of the manifacturers that only provide drivers/software for Windows and then let the community figure out the rest.
The end result is the same just due to a different cause.
Sadly most manufacturers still don't care about linux support. If you are lucky sometimes there's a community alternative. But even then some of the advanced features may not work.
What you can do is check on their website which drivers they have available, and avoid buying stuff that doesn't have Linux support when possible.
With more adoption I hope that it becomes increasingly available, although in practice I've seen several products drop their Linux support due to low users. 😢
It's because Linux isn't used widely enough. Nobody is gonna put in effort for the sake of 3 random customers. Which yields a catch 22: Linux isn't appealing to a lot of people becsuse it lacks features/functions/ease of use, and nobody will add those features/functions/ease of use because not a lot of people use it already.
Hmm odd it should not take that long, especially with the flatpack. My install picked up the unified receiver near instant, it was only setting up the keys that took a few minutes for the MX Master 3s.
Some pen display, graphic tablets, and audio pheriperials are not always fully supported on Linux. Even new hardware does not guarantee a full support.
Why are these mainstream media journalists going out of their way to make Linux work and look harder than it is?
You don't need to open the terminal to install software or configure anything, that's literally the whole point of every big DE that ships well made GUI apps.
He solved his problem by switching off of Ubuntu to Fedora, I think I almost shed a tear lmao
The only problem I've had so far on Linux was due to my RAM breaking. Same shit could've happened on Windows. As much as everyone talks about needing "manual intervention" in Arch, I had to do the same shit on Windows after a bad update pushed unsigned USB drivers (which I was unaware of, I only saw the blue screen) then once I did a system restore it just failed after wiping my hard drive despite only using tools from Windows itself. I ended up having to get a third party tool to fix it all, because the vhdx files Windows made assumed my computer was UEFI despite only supporting BIOS. It was a mess.
The moral of the story is: Windows still has these problems, people are just more used to solving them so it doesn't feel like they're solving a problem.
So I've gone back to linux for my daily but holy hell the driver support is very much still not there, especially for gaming.
The wifi driver is flakey and drops connection requiring a disable/re-enable every so often, power management doesn't work quite right with sleep mode locking up the system every so often, keyboard no use of most of the advanced features, same for the mouse and never mind about the other various nits that I end up finding that honestly don't have much info because there's no official driver support from the companies, just mostly wonderful people who are making things work but don't have that industrial knowledge and limited time.
Still, absolutely no regrets in moving back to Linux because Windows has been just horrible since 7 and 11, which I still have to use at work, is just absolute crap.
Is it? Got a 3080 and my pc goes to sleep and wakes up without issues. Or do you mean a specific mode? I just use whatever cachy with KDE uses as standard.
2080S currently, though I've had others before, can't wake up from standby with the power button or USB. On the other hand, once it's in standby, it'll turn itself back on after 30 minutes or so. The firmware on nvidia cards has always played badly though. I had an 8800 that I'd have to turn on several times each day before it would POST.
Dunno about this wifi driver stuff. The only issue I had with my own was the flakey hardware on an old box and it didn’t work in windows or Linux so I can’t fault Linux for that. Anyways got a new box, so far everything has been working so far so good.
Holy fuck, really? The lack of working wifi or gpu drivers is why I never stayed with Linux for daily use outside of my media server box. And the last time I tried using it for my main gaming PC was over 10 years ago.
GPU drivers, at least on AMD's side, have been solid and Nvidia has been generally decent and getting a lot better with the new process they're doing for the newer cards. But my scenario might be more unique to the MB implementation of the wifi chipset since when I posted on other boards, others with different MB's/cards using the same driver aren't seeing the same issues.
And of course the other downside is that the wifi 7 driver for that chip is not available for windows 10 and is windows 11 only and I do not want to use that as my daily even if the driver is solid and honestly I'm not a huge perpetual online gamer so it's not impacting my ability to use and enjoy my Bazzite instance.
I've been using wifi on Linux since the ndiswrapper days. I haven't had a wifi issue in many many years using Lenovo, Dell, Panasonic laptops and various self built servers (but they tend to be wired)
I'm about a year in. I started with mint and I'm on endeavor now. It can be a bit fiddly to get setup. Once setup it behaves the same way, but less ads and copilot/edge aren't forced on you non stop.
The only issue we have is anticheat, and that only affects games like battlefield/cod. So not much of a loss there.
To me it was like, oh, you made it different and that makes so much more sense, why are they not doing it like that in Windows?
Or just during university; there is a tool for that format? And it is already installed? Nice.
At this point, the remaining voluntary (as in: not forced by work) windows users are one giant ass Stockholm syndrome victim group/
Almost everything in Linux is easier to set up than on Windows, and thanks to the command line and basic architecture not changing, 10-15 year old tips are still valid today more often than not. Unlike Windows.
And Windows users who would fail to set up Linux from scratch & read online references to fill their knowledge gaps have most definitely never set up a Windows machine themselves, and are instead using preinstalled OSes, and buy a new computer when they need to upgrade to a newer OS version, as well as take their computer to an IT service person when something breaks.
I've been running debian as my main and my home-server OS for a couple years now.
And I'm really happy for it.
But it hasn't been smooth sailing.
I'm even on fully AMD systems.
There's a bunch of stuff, biometrics and otherwise, that just doesn't work without random workarounds or even not at all.
And this elitist approach and tone is what turns a lot of folks away from even trying linux. Also, sure CLI might be great for a lot of devs, but regular users do need a GUI. And that is not fully there yet.
"Almost everything on Linux is easier to set up than on windows" has me rolling. This shit is exactly why people dismiss Linux as an option - linux enthusiasts refuse to accept the flaws in the OS, and that means those flaws never get addressed. God, or they've never had to deal with a driver incompatibility before, maybe they're just leading a charmed life...
And this is from someone that's daily driven Linux for well over a decade. Like it's a better option than windows, but it's not so great that there's not aspects that need to be improved.
It appears you have not installed any Windows from scratch in a long time, or tried to harden it, or solve a driver problem there. That's why you get confused. I was not saying Linux is always easy, I was saying it has overtaken Windows in almost every aspect, also because on Windows things have become more complex.
And this elitist approach and tone is what turns a lot of folks away from even trying linux. Also, sure CLI might be great for a lot of devs, but regular users do need a GUI. And that is not fully there yet.
Regular users who "need a GUI" would be completely unable to install Windows at all, because the setup including activation (or workarounds) is way too complex for them. They might be able to install Linux from scratch though, because various distributions have good GUI installers and/or live images.
The average user doesn't install windows though.
They buy the pc/laptop with Windows on it already, and use it till it's in the ground.
And I cannot just install ubuntu/mint on a laptop for someone and walk away either, cause if/when anything breaks, the fix isn't approachable. And trying to tell someone to use the CLI when they're not tech savvy is not user friendly.
Only problem I have with Linux is it not working on my hardware. Windows of course works fine. So many stories of a Thinkpad T480 and Linux being such a dream, until you try it and it doesn't work.
OH! And the constant nagging for a password, literally to do anything at all. Open a browser, enter password. Install an app, enter a password. Uninstall an app, enter a password. Wake from sleep, enter a password. I thought windows was bad, I had no idea how much better it was until I tried Linux.
You are definitely doing something wrong. Does it really ask for a password to open a browser? Windows always asks for a password for all that other stuff if you're not using an administrative account, which is supposed to happen. Unless you're fine with anyone that happens to get access to your computer being able to install/uninstall stuff.
Chromium has done that to me before when I didn't setup its keyring properly. I would just hit ESC three times to get past its dialog. Now I make sure to use an empty password for its keyring because I only use Chomium when something doesn't work in Firefox.
KDE Plasma has also asked me many times for opening its keyring and that has pissed me off. I don't use KDE Plasma other than on one server though.
Some of the other password requests you can disable in the graphical system settings (like asking for password coming out of suspend).
For the rest, those are just the same as Windows UAC which asks whether you want to give something adminstrator privileges. There's probably a way to set up that experience if you'd rather click 'yes' in a popup than type your password.
If you're using an administrator account it won't ask for a password but it will put up a UAC prompt. If you're not using an administrator account, it puts up a UAC prompt with a password.
It mostly works. I have it set to dual boot and spend more time in Linux than in windows, forcing myself to use it. I also have a desktop that I use for windows on.
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yesman@lemmy.world · 115 pts · 200d
Linux can be intimidating. And there is going to be a learning curve. Especially if you're the kind of windows user who's familiar with gpedit and has custom .bat files.
But what get's left out is the joy and satisfaction that comes with learning how to Linux. I just re-installed my OS a week ago, and I was able to recognize and resolve dependency and permissions issues without having to look anything up. I also finally learned and started using rsync for backups over SSH/SAMBA. I know it's not much, but it made me feel like a real hackerman.
The only thing I learned in my last few years of Windows was how to disable features that annoyed me.
GhostlyPixel@lemmy.world · 53 pts · 200d
I would think someone who is taking advantage of bat files would feel right at home with shell scripts in Linux. In my experience, shell was much easier to pick up than batch
Batch is probably the same, but what always made me laugh about shell scripts is you could ask a bunch of people how to do something, and they’d all have a different way, it’s like there’s always a new tool to learn and try to fit into your workflow if you want, I love it
Pika@sh.itjust.works · 11 pts · 200d
I think I agree with this. I believe that if you are heavily into group policy or a centralized registry it would be a harder conversion. But you can even "hack" bat files to work for both Linux and Windows depending on what launches it. I had to do that with a testing bot that I sometimes ran on windows, sometimes ran on Linux. It involves abusing the label system on bat (which translates to a command true which accepts no arguments on sh). Granted you are still writing both files but, using this method you can have the windows version of it on the same page as the bash version so you can go line by line instead of having a second file open
umbrella@lemmy.ml · 16 pts · 200d
jimmy90@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 200d
bazzzite bazzzite bazzzite bazzzite bazzzite bazzzite bazzzite bazzzite BAZZITE BAZZITE BAZZITE BAZZITE BAZZITE BAZZITE BAZZITE BAZZITE
ok?
Nugscree@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 199d
No. Bazzite is pretty good at one thing and that thing is gaming. If you want do anything else and there is no flatpack/appimage for it you're shit out of luck, unless you want to ostree and thereby breaking the reason for using an immutable distro in the first place. That is the whole reason I tried and switched my main rig over to Fedora 43 KDE so I could at least use a normal package manager.
jimmy90@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 199d
like what?
Nugscree@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 199d
Well it started with my graphics driver for the AMD RX 6800 XT that cause compositor freezes on Wayland so my panels just froze for no reason, fix -> switch to X11.
Browser was hogging an insane amount of cpu to just render Youtube, reason was the hardware video encoder was not enabled, tried to install mesa drivers and you can only do that with rpm-ostree (first breakage of immutable) spend two days debugging and flatpack overwrites to try and fix it to no avail, left it as is.
Next wanted NordVPN because I've been useing their service for forever, no official flatpack so I needed to use distrobox which is a vm running on my machine with another os in it to run a simple program or use rpm-ostree to install the nordvpn normal linux package (second breakage).
Has some issues with getting a network share to work, ended up having to make a script that mounted the drive on boot. My normal Linux distro just used fstab and it worked.
Next issue installing Bambulabs software, appimage doesn't work because it depends on gtk, rpm-ostree install number 3, it didn't take so I gave up after a week of fighting the OS and just installed Fedora KDE Plasma.
I'm not new to Linux, hell I've been on and off it since Fedora Red Hat 8.0 played around with enough Debian (Ubuntu) based distro's as well. Three years ago I switch my working machine over to Pop_OS! had some issues but non breaking ones that I could always fix. Wanted to switch over my main home machine over from Windows 10 to Bazzite because that one is mainly used for gaming, but I wanted to be able to do other things with it as well.
Greddan@feddit.org · 3 pts · 199d
other_cat@piefed.zip · 2 pts · 199d
I agree that the puzzle solving is a huge factor in my enjoyment of Linux, and is the same for friends of mine who hopped over. But sometimes I have to remember there are some people who despise puzzles and they are not going to have a good time.
Nalivai@lemmy.world · 97 pts · 200d
Who was solving your problems before then?
Pika@sh.itjust.works · 46 pts · 200d
To give the author credit, ignoring the other flaws with windows, most things "just worked" and generally either didn't have an issue or if it did, fixed it's own issues. I didn't really have to resolve any issues or anything. Heck it even fixed itself if it failed to update, rolling back the changes and alerting the user next boot (which I usually just ignored and let fix itself which it generally did after a few days/tries! lol)
My current rig had Windows as the primary OS from 2016 to about 2024, during that time I don't recall any times I had to actually look up any issues unless I personally created the problem. I think the most extensive issue I had was my 5700xt crashing under high load but that wasn't something I could fix anyway as it was a driver issue, or when i made the entire system unbootable cause I messed up making a recovery partition
When I swapped back to Linux (Linux Mint at first, then Linux Mint DE, then Debian 12, now Debian 13), I had multiple hurdles from my headset not functioning, to my video card not being supported, no login screen(this surprised me as I had thought Debian was supposed to be stable), etc, these issues didn't fix themselves, I had to fix them. Granted some were easier to fix (like the no login screen was a super simple edit to a config file), but it wasn't something I had to deal with on windows.
Linux isn't going to hold your hand like Windows does with issues. So yea you need to resolve your own issues, Linux isn't going to do it for you, the most it will do is post a command in the log saying "issue X expected, run this command to fix"
innermachine@lemmy.world · 25 pts · 200d
Running windows is like playing with an action figure. You take it out of the box and it does what it's supposed to. Linux I consider more like a Lego set. Sure you have to put some stuff together before you really play with it, but it's YOUR creation by the time your done with it and you can modify to suit your use case. If you have no interest in tinkering with ur OS windows or Mac is just a better option, if you want to tailor your experience how you'd like Linux is the way. I run W11 on my gaming PC because I don't have time to mess with it and experiment anymore. I have played with so many Linux distros but never had one work flawless out of the gate, and always reserved it for my secondary fuck around rigs because if I wanted to fuck around I could but I do want something that i can press the power button and evrything works fine without use of my brain after working a 13 hour day where i might get lucky to play for 40 mins lol. My fuck around time these days is totally sapped by project vehicles and house issues the last think I wanna do is play around in terminal when I have 10k other more important things to do :c
Pika@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 200d
Fully agree. When I mention switching to Linux on the rare occasion it comes up I make sure to mention that you can do basically anything on the platform, but with that customization comes drawbacks. If you are afraid to research an issue then I would not recommend full stop. I also mention not to be afraid of needing to use the terminal if needed. Don't expect a 1:1 it'll do most things you can do on Windows, but there will be some things you just can't
kaitco@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 200d
I really love this analogy, and plan to steal it for future use.
Pelicanen@sopuli.xyz · 3 pts · 199d
I'm not sure I entirely agree anymore. I've installed Mint OS on both my mother's and my grandmother's computers and neither of them have complained a single time about it to me. Setting up a printer was even easier, I tried helping an acquaintance with W11 set up a printer and it was hell, with Mint it just figured out everything relevant on its own, I just had to confirm that it was correct.
innermachine@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 198d
No kidding! W11 and w10 always worked with all of my printers (Canon) out of the box, once the printer was connected to WiFi they always just picked them up and worked! Last time I tried to get a cheap wifi card (Linksys) to work on Ubuntu however, not so lucky lol.
bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 199d
Fellow project car and house enthusiast here!!
I sometimes forget others dont have these massive time sucks and can afford to troubleshoot for hours. I cant! Even though its kind of fun, I have shit to do.
innermachine@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 198d
No kidding! I never feel like I have enough time, always feel like I'm behind on all my projects and spreading myself thin. When I had less money and less projects and didn't own a house I played so much more video games and messed around Linux installing new distro every couple weeks on my old rigs or laptops that had fallen into my lap. Now my times all tied up with all the messes I have gotten myself into, speaking of which I should probably be putting the new exhaust fan in my bathroom that's been sitting new in the box for 6 months or something instead of fucking off in the fediverse :'(
bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 198d
Ame here on every front. You're literally me or im you! Haha. Hello friend
cecilkorik@piefed.ca · 11 pts · 200d
This is a common misconception I think. "Stable" from a development point of view (which is what Debian is) is not the same as "Stable" from a user point of view. It can be, as long as no other variables are changing. But a typical desktop user IS a variable, and they change other variables all the time. "Stable" makes sense on a server, where the server has a defined role and a specific purpose that basically never changes. It's "stable" and if the OS is also "stable" that gives you assurance that nothing is going to break unexpectedly... ONCE you have it tested and set up properly to be stable in the first place.
But installing on a fresh system where you've never run this OS before is the antithesis of stable. You are initially in an "experimental" state, and you may need the latest updates and patches to even be compatible with the hardware you're running. Then you're going to use this system daily, downloading stuff, installing new apps and tools regularly, changing configurations when you feel like it. None of this is stable. And that's fine, it's not wrong, it's just the reality of being a user with a desktop system. It's not stable, it's not supposed to be. It's your daily driver.
To paraphrase George Carlin, a bad driver, driving a safe car doesn't really make you safe, at all. First, learn to drive THEN get your safe car. A stable distribution like Debian is for people who already know how to find all the compatible-by-default hardware and do the configuration necessary to make things safe and stable and using Debian assures them that once they have got it into that state, Debian isn't going to undo their work and make unexpected changes.
For users, especially on the desktop, you often want bleeding edge latest updates to fix these kind of compatibility issues as soon as they're identified, even without absolutely rigorous testing and validation that it won't mess up someone's "stable" configuration. You really do want the opposite of "stable" development, in order to make your own system more stable as quickly and reliably as possible in the circumstances. It will never be as stable as Debian running on a server, but that's normal, and expected. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
Debian is a good OS, but as a desktop user, on your main system, it might be counterproductive. For what it's worth, I run PikaOS, which is a gaming-focused distro derived from Debian (Debian's stable foundation is a huge asset for people building distros on top of it) but provides prompt access to all the latest updates and patches needed for gaming and includes configurations and drivers for supporting the latest consumer level hardware and all the common tools and things that power users want, that are becoming popular day by day. This is the opposite of "stable development" but it's perfect for a desktop system in my opinion and they do a great job.
Pika@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 200d
Yea, I get that. Stable is from the developer POV, my expectation though was that I could at least finish the install process without running into an issue. I didn't expect that a built in driver would decide to just black screen and the official driver to just not work period(Linux Mint), or that the installer wouldn't be smart enough to properly configure the X server to allow for a login(Debian 12).
I somewhat expected it of Mint, but for Debian 12 I was pretty surprised to see it. You would think something that was good enough to reach a point where they did a package freeze would be able to at least reach a desktop before showing signs of an issue. But I guess considering that the installer itself crashes if you try to manually partition a server, and then decide to go back in and set up luks in the installer, I shouldn't be too surprised.
Being said,
I have not heard ofDid not know that PikaOs it was a Debian derivative, I might actually look into that one then. (and yes before you ask it is exclusively because it contains "Pika" so I think it would be funny to try it 😂)edit: I realized after seeing the logo I had heard of it, just didn't know it was based off debian.
hardcoreufo@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 200d
I just put my desktop on pika, its nice. Maybe a little better performance than stock Debian in games, but i could be imagining things.
I like the bird sounds it uses as system sounds. Drives my dog crazy looking for whats making tge sound.
cecilkorik@piefed.ca · 2 pts · 200d
Haha I just noticed your name, that's a funny coincidence. But yeah I'm a big fan of Debian in general. The problem, as you noticed, is often it doesn't have great support for the latest hardware. On the other hand, it often has great support for older hardware, and PikaOS refuses to install at all on some of my older, less capable systems, so those are running Debian right now. So it's kind of a "right tool for the job" sort of situation. They have their purposes, it's definitely not one-size-fits-all.
FauxLiving@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 200d
Every tech company in existence, in exchange for all of your privacy and now subscription fee.
For the low low price of all of your money and privacy you can avoid having to figure out how to backup your own files and have a team of developers ensuring that any kind of difficulty that you have will be fixed before you even realize it was a problem.
Once it is ensured that you will never develop those skills you are completely dependent on their services and they can keep jacking up the price.
Hate Netflix's price increase, or password sharing restrictions? Too bad you spent 8 years not learning how to setup streaming media that you control. Hate listening to ads in order to listen to music? Well, it looks like Spotify doing everything for you has paid off for them.
Everyone has traded their privacy for convenience, if you want your privacy back then you have to give back the convenience and learn to do things for yourselves.
eli@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 200d
The entire internet? Whatever problem you had on windows you can just Google it and there's either a YouTube video, reddit thread, or some obscure forum post that fixes your exact issue by copy and pasting some Powershell commands or a random bat file or GitHub project.
Linux? It's gotten better, but the community side can get quite toxic or outright ignorant of how to troubleshoot any kind of issues tbh.
scala@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 200d
Same with Linux. Is there a problem Search it. Someone had that problem before. Shit even basic AI can help you out if you can't quickly solve the issue.
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 200d
Yeah, they had the same problem.. 13 years ago, and their solution doesnt work on modern OS's due to package changes and command depreciations.
Thats how about 99% of my internet searches for linux problems end up.
Nugscree@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 199d
For me I got better results if I used the actual distro + version in the search, Linux is to general a term, but say Fedora 43 + problem would really narrow down the amount of results and also prevent really old answers to pop up.
Nalivai@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 199d
That's probably the direct opposite of my experience and an experience of everyone I know.
With Windows problems you do get a lot of very, very long youtube videos that says a lot of things, but unless your problem is trivial, the shit wouldn't work, and random bat files aren't working for unexpected problems, or are just viruses. More often then not though, you get a question on Microsoft forum, with one answer asking you to run that windows repair bullshit that never actually solves anything. And then you just accept that it's not something you can do and move on with your life, thinking that ignoring the problem is actually solving it. Alternatively there is for some reason very expensive program that does what you wanted badly, while using 20% of your machine's resources, but you're so exhausted at this point, that you pretend it's normal.
With Linux you will get snarky answers telling you that you're an idiot for not reading the error message on your screan (which is, yeah, you are), or that you're an idiot for not reading the first page of man (which is, yeah, see above), or the most detailed explanation of inner workings of this specific thing that is giving you troubles, and you pretend to understand all of it while just copying and pasting all the random commands from the answer like an idiot that you are. But if you actually want to learn, you just do that, and then your problem is solved and you're a bit more knowledgeable in the end.
Every time people talk about how Linux community is unhelpful, I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. How can I always find help and support no matter how weird and obscure or banal and trivial my problem is, am I special or do people don't know how to google? I mean, snarky and condescending? Yeah, that happens. But unhelpful? Never in my experience.
scintilla@crust.piefed.social · 3 pts · 200d
Some random Indian guy on YouTube with a tutorial that somehow perfectly solves your weird issue.
DivineDev@piefed.social · 63 pts · 200d
The trick is to learn to absolutely despise Windows before doing the switch, then everytime something breaks on Linux you reminisce about the olden days and decide that typing two or three commands in the terminal isn't so bad afterall.
Skullgrid@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 200d
dump your personal files into a seperate, non OS hard drive so that if shit hits the bricks, you have a parachute.
Ask me how I know.
buddascrayon@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 199d
Or you can do like I did and simply put an extra hard drive in, load Linux on it. Then use your old Windows hard drive as a storage drive. For the first couple of weeks it was a nice safety blanket to have.
Oh, and if your PC doesn't have the room inside for an extra hard drive. Make it an external.
bestboyfriendintheworld@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 199d
Backups are a good idea.
Nugscree@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 199d
Also one backup is no backup, ask me how I know :,)
NewNewAugustEast@lemmy.zip · 44 pts · 200d
Bullshit. And fuck you for
propagatingperpetuating this notion, yet again.Edit: fixed to the correct word.
LadyAutumn@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 14 pts · 200d
You dont have to. But honestly its worth the time to get over the fear of the terminal. Understanding how they work and being comfortable using them has many advantages. So many things do not require a bloated GUI application. Like again its not necessary but its a bandaid that I think is worth it to rip off.
NewNewAugustEast@lemmy.zip · 25 pts · 200d
I really take issue with the author suggesting that you need to. You do not need to, and it is a myth that needs to go away. Particularly when they said it was "exhausting" installing applications. Linux is miles ahead on that front: you look through a list of what you like, or search for them, and click on the ones you want.
Also for system management, there is no need for the terminal either and the author says "It’s an unavoidable part of the Linux experience". That one in particular really doesn't sit well with me.
Now can you? Yes. Should you? Also yes, because it is the easiest way to convey and execute an idea. But you do not have to.
And they fail to mention that windows does this too, for almost every task for system maintenance is done this way: press run+r, now type "whatever -command".
Anyways a moderately mainstream article and they are going to scare people away over something they did not need to do. Which after a year you would think they would have figured that out.
LadyAutumn@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 8 pts · 200d
I agree for the most part. It depends a lot on what distro youre using, what DE, so on. But you can easily get by on gnome without having to use the terminal much if at all.
NewNewAugustEast@lemmy.zip · 11 pts · 200d
KDE as well. It is astounding how easy it is to use a modern KDE distro: everything has tips and hints get you to the setting you want. Even mounting shares is just click and mount.
Cybersteel@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 200d
Personally I enjoy typing stuff in the konsole
Katana314@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 199d
The one I'm on has a very functional "search and install" app, but I still find myself habitually opening up terminal for installation out of "fastness". Maybe it's a poor impulse I should correct.
Probably the biggest thing driving terminal use is opening and configuring system files. You can do that with the file explorer and an elevated text editor, but a lot of guides aiming for conciseness will give you some command to wget a long file online, then insert content into a text file by path in one line.
inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 199d
Oh for fucks sake, so much neckbeard energy here dismissing this guys personal experience.
When you're a new user and don't know what the hell the native app store application is, which doesn't have all the programs a person would want to use and install there, and when a new user goes to find their old windows apps that have Linux install instructions, what's the first thing that they have there? Guess. It's always find your flavor of Linux and the first steps shown are always terminal commands with sudo apt get or sudo dnf.
That's everyone first time with Linux until they learn more about it so get off your high horse and condescending gatekeeping attitude.
NewNewAugustEast@lemmy.zip · -2 pts · 199d
Gatekeeping, I hate that word. So useless. In this scenario the author is gate keeping saying all the linux system management is the command line. Its "exhausting". Well bullshit. Let me say it again: BULLSHIT.
It is perpetuating a myth. This is not true. They are gatekeeping the users who don't want to because they are saying it has to be this way.
Look, I like the command line, I get why sharing information is so much easier by providing a command rather than a wall of screen shots.
Yet at the same time, my travel laptop over here, two years in, has never had to have "system administration" and package installation from a command line. Depending on the distro it simply is not necessary.
The user has choice.
Godric@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 199d
Buddy, they literally do not know that choice exists, and you're getting angry and calling them a liar instead of growing the community by teaching.
The Linux community has a reputation for being filled with condescending dickheads, and that's part of the reason why people are turned off from even trying.
NewNewAugustEast@lemmy.zip · -2 pts · 199d
Yeah, because people like this author keep repeating it.
Yet another annoying myth. Look, I am saying it with a bit of vitrol here, but its basically to the universe as the author (as far as I know) isn't here.
Could I be a bit nicer? I suppose, but they were so wrong, and using strong words like "exhausting" to describe a practice they don't even have to do is annoying. Read what they wrote, they said all admin tasks are command line. Nonsense of course. If they had said, I started out this way, or it was what I had learned, with just a tiny bit of journalistic effort they would know there are a variety of ways.
I have gone back and read forums, from 10 to 15 years ago, just because I keep hearing: linux is so condescending and rude, and it wasn't the way I remembered it, so I went to see. And guess what? Nothing but nice and friendly people trying to help each other.
It gets old fast.
mech@feddit.org · 6 pts · 200d
I ran Fedora Silverblue for a year with the terminal uninstalled.
tyrant@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 200d
I came across this the other day but haven't had a chance to use it. Hopefully this saves someone a lot of time installing programs.
https://tuxmate.com/
new_guy@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 200d
Huh ninite for Linux. That's neat
bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 199d
Awesome!
tomkatt@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 200d
Depends on your distro. Maybe on Ubuntu or Mint, sure. I'm running EndeavourOS, and it's terminal or nothing. I'm fine with that, but YMMV.
Spaniard@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 199d
I am running EndeavourOS and it's possible to function without terminal. I use it because I love it but no need at least not for app installing having Discover.
Anyway can't compare an arch based distro to Fedora or Ubuntu
tomkatt@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 199d
Why not?
Spaniard@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 198d
They are both built for stability, Arch is built to be bleeding edge.
None is superior to the other, that depends on the user, but an arch-based distro will require the terminal sooner than later, while you don't need to touch it in Ubuntu.
Nugscree@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 199d
Because Fedora and Ubuntu (Debian) have been around for forever? In my experience Arch also feels more like a your on your own kind of Distro which I liked back in the day (build one myself with an online guide), but now I just want my machine to run and function unattended besides the updates.
tomkatt@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 198d
Didn't you have to install that via the terminal? Discover store is not installed on EndeavourOS by default. You must have installed it and forgot.
Spaniard@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 198d
dreamkeeper@literature.cafe · 1 pts · 198d
Even on Ubuntu I had to use the terminal pretty frequently. Older games especially are a big PITA to get working sometimes.
bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 199d
Na sorry, hes right.
For someone who doesn't spend every moment on their pc, its daunting and takes energy to learn and remember all of this just to make your pc run.
brianary@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 199d
Keep in mind that changes are coming even if you stay on Windows or Mac or Android or iOS. AI in particular is going to require everyone to relearn everything in non-deterministic ways, so you end up begging the system to do what you want in new creative ways. Also, the UI will be radically reworked over and over. There's really no way to avoid learning new ways to do things on an invention that's less than 50 years old.
Yes, it's work that we don't usually have the energy for, especially now, but the best we can do is look for a community to support each other through it all.
bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 199d
That is true and a large part of why I do love how linux mostly has stayed the same for 20 years in its basic form. I was able to apply a lot of the things I had remembered from years ago when I used it briefly.
dreamkeeper@literature.cafe · 1 pts · 198d
Why do you neckbeards constantly lie so aggressively about this? That post exactly describes every single Linux migration I've ever done. You WILL end up in the terminal at some point, and you will find apps and games that just don't work well in Linux.
HertzDentalBar@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 41 pts · 200d
Step one: download bazzite Step two: install Step three: ????? Step four: Fuck windows
some_kind_of_guy@lemmy.world · 37 pts · 200d
I would caution against fucking Windows - you'll likely end up with a nasty virus
HertzDentalBar@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 8 pts · 200d
That's why you use a firewall and open a port to insert your ramdisk
some_kind_of_guy@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 200d
Hey, just because I preach harm reduction, doesn't mean I'm gonna kink shame
DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 199d
terms and conditions apply, your situation may vary with Nvidia hardware
Katana314@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 199d
I kinda get there's some common meme about Nvidia being Linux's kryptonite, but everything's been okay for me on CachyOS. This after some issues earlier in the year on Mint and even Bazzite.
vikingtons@lemmy.world · 33 pts · 200d
archive link
https://archive.is/N4thi
Arcane2077@sh.itjust.works · 11 pts · 200d
Anyone else facing captcha loops whenever they try to view an archive.is link? Haven’t been able to read subscriber only articles for months now
mjr@infosec.pub · 6 pts · 200d
Not every time, but far too often. They don't seem to care that they're discriminating against people with AV impairment, plus locking out some secure browsers.
ilovepiracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 200d
Just a heads up, archive.is is not related to the internet archive and I believe is run by a solo dev with private funding.
mjr@infosec.pub · 1 pts · 199d
I looked into who runs it a bit and oh wow, it's far far worse than that. If you get a captcha from archive.is / archive.ph / archive.today and allow it scripting permission, it seems to use your browser as part of a DDoS attack. See https://infosec.exchange/@iampytest1/115902693235671566 and linked pages.
Arcane2077@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 200d
Dang, yeah it’s probably my strict browser settings. Thanks for the confirmation of shared experience.
cecilkorik@piefed.ca · 3 pts · 200d
Sometimes I'm able to get around it by tweaking some ublock permissions, but once I was surprised to discover that changing my user-agent with user-agent switcher seemed to do the trick. It's really strange. Cloudflare's captcha loops are inscrutable.
FauxLiving@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 200d
LLM-driven web scraping is intense for some sites, so their bot detection software is tuned in a way that creates a lot of false positives.
Obscuring your browser fingerprint, or blocking javascript, or using an unusual user-agent string can trigger a captcha challenge.
If you're not doing that and seeing a site suddenly start giving your captchas then they may be being DDoS'd by scrapers and are challenging all clients.
A site that archives content is especially vulnerable because they have a lot of the data that is useful for AI training.
It is incredibly annoying, but until we have a robust way of proving identity that can't be gamed by bad actors we're stuck with individual user challenges.
vikingtons@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 200d
No but I do get about three or four challenges. I can paste the article for you if it helps?
Pika@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 200d
I haven't faced a captcha but, it just took a solid 2 minutes to resolve and load the article for me. Maybe they have something else happening behind the scenes impacting performance so they are locking down certain routes?
Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it · -3 pts · 200d
I don't have this problem; You probably are using TOR or a VPN and it triggered the captcha, if it's not then it's def strange, never seen this happen to me
MadMadBunny@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 200d
Nope
psoul@lemmy.world · 32 pts · 200d
Waiting patiently for commercial software to be ported to Linux:
YoSoySnekBoi@kbin.earth · 16 pts · 200d
For what it's worth, REAPER works great on Linux. Ik it doesn't fill quite the same niche as Ableton but it is very capable, especially paired with yabridge for using VSTs via WINE.
HexaBack@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 5 pts · 200d
and if you're into a tracker-like workflow, renoise works really well on linux (assuming you can set up jack/pipewire properly or undo the horrror upon linux audio servers that is p*lseaudio. i feel this applies to most daws on linux)
ShadowZone@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 199d
Not my experience, sorry. I have bought Reaper years ago and the Windows experience was flawless. In order to even get audio, I need to launch Reaper via terminal using "pw-jack reaper" otherwise I have either garbage audio or too much latency.
My VST plugins (iZotope RX 11, iZotope VEA, Arturia Keylab, Bias FX) wouldn't run via yabridge, haven't figured out why yet.
I assume it has something to do with activating licenses or whatever crap like that. The entire "pro audio" industry and their overbearing licensing and "security" schemes can go suck a duck. For real.
dreamkeeper@literature.cafe · 2 pts · 198d
When you get deep into niche stuff like this, Linux is such a pain in the ass. I like it for casual use and even some gaming but I'm not going to lie, a lot of hobbyist stuff is just so much easier on Mac or Windows. Which makes sense since Linux isn't in widespread use by normies and also isn't a desktop-first OS.
Damage@feddit.it · 6 pts · 200d
And drivers too. Yeah, we've got the big stuff covered, Intel, AMD, NVidia all release Linux drivers. But peripherals manufacturers mostly target Windows, maybe macOS, but leave Linux drivers to be developed by the community.
laranis@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 200d
I have a Hope/Hate relationship with FreeCAD. Sometimes I can get it to do something useful and I get hopeful. Then I try to do something simple and ruin the entire design and have to start from scratch and I curse the developers lineage for all of time. I want it to be great, and it is closer than it has ever been. But it isn't a replacement for professional design suites.
psoul@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 197d
I just tried it after probably 5 years and it’s much better than what it used to be. The workflow is close to what I’m used to in NX, so far at least.
Grass@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 200d
I wish I could just go in and use freecad but it just doesn't make sense to me. the software I've tried before I could just go in and make something by winging it but freecad that seems impossible
bestboyfriendintheworld@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 199d
The alternative to FreeCAD on Linux is OnShape running in the browser.
Grass@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 199d
I've used onshape and it is indeed way more intuitive but it's one of those on the cloud only you don't own your files in any way platforms, but it does the job in a pinch and I've used it to make 3d printed replacement parts for random broken crap at my old job
bestboyfriendintheworld@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 198d
You can always export stl or dxf files and use them with other software.
HexaBack@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 200d
i'm just dreaming of a good after effects clone (or port) for linux (preferably open source). left-angle autograph kicked the bucket, and pikimov is just a bit too limited. at least fusion360 can be streamed in a browser now, but freecad seems to be getting quite good as of lately.
i pretty much only use windows at school now for ae/cad work.
bestboyfriendintheworld@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 199d
Affinity Suite for Linux would be a game changer.
tehn00bi@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 200d
Solidworks and NX works on Linux?
psoul@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 200d
Not for me. I wish it did.
tehn00bi@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 199d
I looked more into it, apparently NX used to.
KryptonNerd@slrpnk.net · 1 pts · 199d
Might be worth looking at BricsCAD (but honestly as an engineer who has professionally used a number of different CAD packages, FreeCAD honestly isn't that bad and I happily use it at home, it just has a different workflow)
psoul@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 197d
I just tried freeCAD and it’s night and day compared to what it used to be. I can actually design simple parts.
Thanks for having me check my opinion haha.
KryptonNerd@slrpnk.net · 1 pts · 197d
No worries at all!
NewNewAugustEast@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 200d
Seems like someone posted a update or extension or something for Freecad that changed the interface and made it more familiar. I don't mind it the way it is, but apparently others like the change. Might be worth searching for.
MimicJar@lemmy.world · 30 pts · 200d
Actually AFAIK it will stop that specific command nowadays. I don't have a VM handy to test, but without the "--no-preserve-root" flag it should give an error.
(Don't actually run that command on a machine you care about, I'm only 80% confident.)
1995ToyotaCorolla@lemmy.world · 50 pts · 200d
Nope, it absolutely won't let you
textik@sh.itjust.works · 35 pts · 200d
Goddamn this mf really did hold the gun up to his own head and pulled the trigger just to prove it would go click.
Cybersteel@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 200d
Maybe he did it in a vm
1995ToyotaCorolla@lemmy.world · 29 pts · 200d
Nope, I'm on bare metal :)
PlutoniumAcid@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 200d
You are ice cold metal, my friend 🤘
ScientifficDoggo@lemmy.zip · 7 pts · 200d
Gotta test the guardrails sometimes...
Nioxic@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 200d
could this be based on the distro?
or is it built into the kernel?
pressanykeynow@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 200d
It was made default for rm command in 2006.
Buddahriffic@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 199d
Yeah, the Linux community has done a shitload of work to bring Linux up to as good as windows (in the technical sense) and better than windows (regarding the often hostile user experience).
Microsoft is now helping with the marketing by making the windows experience even worse, driving more people to "take the plunge" only for them to realize there isn't a place where the floor suddenly drops away and you're left helpless, and that that actually is a better description for using windows outside of the rails MS wants.
If you use an AMD gpu, there's actually fewer steps to go from empty disk to playing a game, assuming that game isn't trying to do things with the kernel or is one of the rare games that aren't compatible for reasons other than anti-cheat (I've seen one game like that so far, forget the name of it but a logistics game that needed some dotnet library or something and I ended up giving up and refunding it rather than troubleshooting it until it worked, though others on protondb did say they got it working).
The days where windows gives an easier or better experience are gone, even ignoring all the next level enshitification of win 11. I've been on Linux for about a year now but wish I had switched sooner.
AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 198d
That's the theory, assuming that the Amd Gpu works with Linux. It might also just crash your system, which is a know problem of the driver, which hasn't been fixed. You have to semi-randomly pass parameters to the kernel, hoping to find something that works.
JoMiran@lemmy.ml · 17 pts · 200d
The Linux/Mac combo covers just about every computing requirement, even for corporate users. You do not need Windows unless you play competitive online multiplayer games.
Me:
Mac -
Linux -
Jhex@lemmy.world · 32 pts · 200d
JoMiran@lemmy.ml · 8 pts · 200d
True
redbrick@lemmy.world · -8 pts · 200d
or unless something cryptic breaks on Linux and no one on the inner net can figure it out.
Jhex@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 200d
I left Windows 15 years ago (still have to use it for work every so often)... I have yet to encounter something cryptic breaking on Linux
When the things go wrong on Linux, which in my experience is rare, you are basically in Windows territory: reboot if you don't know how to fix it or reformat/reinstall which is 10 times faster anyway
Right now, my daily driver is a branch of a branch (Garuda Linux which is fork of a branch of Manjaro which itself is a branch of Arch)... it comes with KDE as desktop which is awesome but I felt like experimenting with Hyprland which is not even at version 1.0 yet... and I basically configured it from scratch myself... I also share this box with my son who does use KDE as his desktop which is actually not recommended (KDE Plasma and Hyprland in the same box, I mean)
As per any advice you will find out there, this machine should be like the crazy robot in Futurama that explodes with no warning at any little thing and yet, it's my daily driver for work, daily gamer for my son... rock solid and smooth... I have had 1 odd freeze I chose not to wait out and just rebooted the box in 9 months, and the freeze happened accessing Windows365 Desktop... go figure
gustofwind@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 200d
Macs can also make a good home server because the m chips are quite powerful relative to their power draw
JoMiran@lemmy.ml · 9 pts · 200d
We tried. Unfortunately, M chips require ARM operating systems as VMs, and they perform very poorly.
Linux servers are still the best option.
gustofwind@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 200d
Yes, I just have simple needs so I run some services bare on it
hayvan@piefed.world · 1 pts · 200d
How does Asahi perform, have you tried?
JoMiran@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 200d
I have not tried it. Once I upgrade my M2 MBP (might be a while), I will.
djdarren@piefed.social · 1 pts · 200d
I ran Asahi on an 8/256GB M1 mini for a few months as my primary work machine. Worked perfectly fine, besides the lack of a second screen. Sounds like they've finally cracked that though, and are preparing to release the upgrade to general users.
Obviously, software is a little more patchy, but I didn't truly struggle to fill my needs. Amusingly, I discovered that Mixxx, the DJ software works well on it.
Might put Asahi back on it and use it as my Home Assistant machine, freeing up some processing power from the poor 2014 Mac mini that I'm currently using (with Mint) as my general purpose home server.
IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 200d
Depends on what end of the corporate world you are working in. I do industrial automation, and there's no way you are getting out of having a Windows VM at the very least.
JoMiran@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 200d
For sure. I actually detailed our VDI setup in another thread. We use linux minipcs running VMWare and Win10 IOT LTSC VMs to connect to clients that require Windows or "secured Windows" where they install all sorts of bloatware.
EDIT: I should note that the vast majority of our clients have since moved to VDIs, which can be accessed from Macs. Unfortunately, they mostly use Citrix and I have not found a way to get that citrix client to work well on Linux.
Damage@feddit.it · 2 pts · 200d
I mean, for that pretty much everyone uses Windows VMs on Windows as well
artyom@piefed.social · 2 pts · 200d
They all have their drawbacks. If I could install MacOS on my laptop I would. But you can only install it on overpriced, irreparable, disposable hardware.
JoMiran@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 200d
The right tool for the job is what I always say. Macs, especially on Apple Silicone, are next to impossible to beat for music production. The performance of those chips and the universal support from hardware and software manufacturers make it the best tool. What I find is that the number of scenarios in which Windows is the best tool is rapidly approaching zero.
artyom@piefed.social · -2 pts · 200d
Seems like an overpriced, irreparable, unupgradeable, and disposable tool would be the wrong tool but what do I know.
JoMiran@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 200d
I get your point but the truth is that Apple's M processors do a far better job than Intel and AMD processors do when it comes to this type of work. I started on Linux with Reaper and BitWig but the Macs performance was significantly better. Also, software and hardware support is key. All music gear manufacturers and software vendors support apple, including Apple silicone. You can run many VSTs through comparability layers but the latency is a huge problem and the alteady high CPU demands get exacerbated.
I have been on Linux since very early days and have always been a proponent of it. Music production is just not an niche that is currently as well covered by Linux as it is by Mac. We need a Linux push in music like the one Valve did in gaming. If Abelton and Native Instruments went all in on Linux, I think much of the industry would follow.
djdarren@piefed.social · 2 pts · 200d
I've been using my M2 Air to broadcast a radio show for the past couple of years. It's basically flawless, even using an iPad as a virtual MIDI controller for some of the faders.
I'm currently in the process of replicating the setup on my Linux PC, and fuck me, it's proving an arsehole by comparison. I'm willing to accept that a good chunk is just me being far less familiar with the OS than with macOS, but it's considerably less intuitive when it comes to things like hooking up virtual MIDI controllers and the like. I'll get it sorted, but I won't be truly happy that it's broadcast solid for a few weeks yet, I don't think.
JoMiran@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 200d
What broadcast software do you usenon the Mac vs Linux?
djdarren@piefed.social · 1 pts · 200d
The actual playout software is Mixxx on both, but the underlying MIDI controlling is slightly different. Enough that I'm not 100% on how it works on Linux.
Atherel@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 15 pts · 200d
I had crashes on Linux because of defective hardware but first thought it was because of software/config/driver issues. I reinstalled the OS, problem persisted. I installed two other completely different distros, problem still there. To make sure it's not because of Linux in general, I installed Windows...
Damn the installation of Windows (newest image) with updates and only the basic drivers for GPU and mainboard took longer than installing three different Linux distros, and I'm not exaggerating!
Linux: Boot installer, choose to use network installation so you get the newest packages, maybe add or remove some features, choose locales, enter login credentials, files get copied, reboot when finished, done.
Windows: Boot installer, workaround to use local account, installing files, reboot, installing more files, choose locale and login credentials, answer questions about privacy, install more files, reboot, login to Windows, download updates, reboot, download more updates, reboot, open edge (optional: install other browser), visit mainboard manufacturer website, search for correct drivers, install, reboot, visit GPU website, download driver, install, reboot...
And then it's only the absolute minimum. No debloat or other software installed like office suite or steam which on Linux can selected and installed directly with the OS.
Goodlucksil@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 14 pts · 200d
This is a good takeaway from the article. If you have a problem, you need to at least try to search for a solution.
Imo that The Verge requires MacOS (or windows) for their workflow is a huge red flag for anyone who is using Linux.
TachyonTele@piefed.social · 9 pts · 200d
Everyone there has to use the same something. Linux isn't exactly the brand for simple easy and usable on all devices, tbf
FauxLiving@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 200d
Those simple and easy devices are not simple and easy inherently.
That is a result the company paying a lot of developers and designers to anticipate your needs and fix your problems before you have them. Those companies want a return on that investment and they get it in the form of your privacy and platform-enforced dependence on their services.
FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 200d
When the day comes that Linux runs all of my games, I will give the dual-boot the boot. :)
tehn00bi@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 200d
Stop playing games that won’t play on Linux.
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 200d
Just throw away the money you spent, and the social groups that use those games as hangouts!
RalfWausE@feddit.org · 0 pts · 199d
lechekaflan@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 200d
Mostly online multiplayer with cheat protections specific only for Windoze.
NOPper@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 200d
So far in my friend group it's just CoD, Destiny...forget the others. I don't play those but literally every game I do wanna play just works for the last few years. 🤷♂️
DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 199d
Holy shit there's still Destiny 2 players....?
scala@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 200d
Which specific don't work. Every online multivitamin game I played works. I don't play COD or those modern "AAA" slops.
pressanykeynow@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 200d
The only games that don't run nowadays I think are the ones that require installing kernel malware so you might reconsider playing them regardless of your OS.
Nugscree@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 199d
Even some of those work, Helldivers 2 for instance. I usually check protondb.com to make sure if I can run the game if it does not have a native build.
JensSpahnpasta@feddit.org · 3 pts · 200d
Not everything has to be 100% perfect - even Windows is not able to run all of my games. Most games run without problems and those games which make problems are mostly due to anticheat. It's a perfectly reasonable solution to simply dual boot if you want to play Call of modern Warfare: DLC edition
Quazatron@lemmy.world · -4 pts · 200d
That will most likely never happen, so stop lying to yourself.
oyenyaaow@lemmy.zip · 12 pts · 200d
i miss handwriting input; both english and chinese writing. yes keyboard is faster but time spent writing isn't that wasted for me, and my posture is better when i used a drawing tablet exclusively instead of mouse and keyboard, also i've bullied windows handwriting recognition enough that it's pretty much chicken scratch input.
Cybersteel@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 200d
Where I live now, the kiddos can't even write the language properly without some sort of keypad or keyboard.
evol@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 199d
Yesterday I decided to write some notes for language learning by hand, I realized I did not remember the last time I wrote anything by hand
gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 0 pts · 199d
Old Man Shouts At Cloud
bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 199d
Not really, just because something is old doesn't mean its bad. We dont want to lose handwriting as a society when all of our devices are dumb terminals linked to bezosnet and youre not allowed to type anything bad about Dear Leader.
gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 199d
We can stand to lose cursive, as long as it's readable, then any style of handwriting works.
But anyhow my point is that the other guy is making shit up to complain about and nobody "needs a device in order to know how to do handwriting" other than literally those incapable due to physical disabilities (e.g. nerve damage)
Cybersteel@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 198d
It's clearly you kids are the problem these days. Sure I may have forgotten how to write certain archaic kanji and their radicals without the aid of a device but I can still write the other 20k characters perfectly while the youths can barely make do with only 5k.
gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 197d
gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 199d
You can get Linux apps for that?
oyenyaaow@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 199d
not to the point of fast sloppy cursive so bad i can't read it myself, and that's what i get with windows after using it for years. linux apps just didn't match up and i keep getting cranky it's better to just stop.
edit: went looking around and still no new ones or updates to the ones existing. it's possible i missed something, i don't actually pay attention to this anymore.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 200d
eh, i've broken my hand enough it hurts to handwrite. chopsticks are fine, but if i have to write more than a page i will type instead.
PKscope@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 199d
Would be nice to be able to read the article. This hiding shit behind an account just guarantees I'll never read it on your site.
MunkyNutts@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 199d
Here you go:
https://archive.ph/N4thi
PKscope@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 198d
Thanks!
teuniac_@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 199d
I think this is a result of much site traffic being AI search agents or crawlers nowadays, which doesn't generate any ad income for sites. So they don't really have a choice
PKscope@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 198d
Yeah, that makes sense. I get it, I just despise it, lol.
LogicalDrivel@sopuli.xyz · 11 pts · 200d
I switched months ago after some full screen pop up for Windows 11 took over my whole screen in the middle of me doing stuff. In a blind rage, i plugged my usb in and downloaded Pop. Did a full clean install and never looked back. There have been some hiccups, but nothing that couldn't be fixed right away.
HulkSmashBurgers@reddthat.com · 11 pts · 199d
Been using linux exclusively for personal computing since 2019 and don' miss windows either.
ziggurat@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 199d
Not exclusively but almost exclusively since 2004 here, the time when there was a thing similar to wine for printer drivers
Pika@sh.itjust.works · 11 pts · 200d
I think i had to boot into my windows partition 3 times last year. twice for the battlefield beta, and once for a discord quest because I really wanted the points for something in the shop.
That's with a steam recap saying that I played 100+ games last year so I think that's a pretty solid indicator on the progression of the linux ecosystem.
oldest_meme_420@hilariouschaos.com · 9 pts · 200d
I keep forgetting that I use Linux, since everything feels .. normal. I switched from Win 11 to Fedora a few months ago.
evol@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 199d
Welcome to the club!
IzzuThug@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 199d
A lot of misinformation and people going about things wrong in the comments.
Do y'all not do research before buying a house, buying a car, or applying to a new job?
Y'all need to go back and learn critical thinking.
deHaga@feddit.uk · 2 pts · 199d
Enlightening
Passerby6497@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 200d
I think I've booted my windows install maybe two or three times after getting things setup on my Bazzite box, and each time was desperation because I couldn't get something working on a time crunch (like my microphone no longer working before a telehealth appointment) and most of the time it's user error (like the audio profile being switched so the mic wasn't enabled for some reason).
Honestly, the only complaint I have is that periodically flat/snap apps (idr offhand) don't want to open and I have to reboot a couple times before they do. Can't say the same for my windows installs....
jjjalljs@ttrpg.network · 6 pts · 200d
Yep. I've been during linux as my main desktop for maybe a year or two now, and it's been fine. I don't tinker with it. Most things just work.
The only thing that's been a little dicey is mods for games, but I think I just need to figure out how like wine and proton prefixes work. It's probably not hard, I just haven't had a need lately.
ChetManly@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 200d
This has been 100% my experience as well. Even convinced my spouse to switch!
richardwallass@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 200d
I did the same but I cannot replace it. Half of my devices are not working.
Nugscree@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 199d
What kind of exotic hardware do you have? Pretty much any of the old and new hardware I keep throwing at it has worked, do you have specialized equipment?
fossilesque@mander.xyz · 9 pts · 199d
ikirin@feddit.org · 6 pts · 199d
IMO that's not the fault of Linux per se but of the manifacturers that only provide drivers/software for Windows and then let the community figure out the rest. The end result is the same just due to a different cause.
AppearanceBoring9229@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 199d
Sadly most manufacturers still don't care about linux support. If you are lucky sometimes there's a community alternative. But even then some of the advanced features may not work.
What you can do is check on their website which drivers they have available, and avoid buying stuff that doesn't have Linux support when possible.
With more adoption I hope that it becomes increasingly available, although in practice I've seen several products drop their Linux support due to low users. 😢
Kolanaki@pawb.social · 2 pts · 199d
It's because Linux isn't used widely enough. Nobody is gonna put in effort for the sake of 3 random customers. Which yields a catch 22: Linux isn't appealing to a lot of people becsuse it lacks features/functions/ease of use, and nobody will add those features/functions/ease of use because not a lot of people use it already.
fossilesque@mander.xyz · 1 pts · 199d
Nugscree@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 199d
If it is a wireless one Solaar has been my go to program to manage Logitech mouses, so maybe that will also help you?
fossilesque@mander.xyz · 1 pts · 198d
Nugscree@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 196d
Hmm odd it should not take that long, especially with the flatpack. My install picked up the unified receiver near instant, it was only setting up the keys that took a few minutes for the MX Master 3s.
Does it all work now?
fossilesque@mander.xyz · 1 pts · 196d
nasi_goreng@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 199d
Some pen display, graphic tablets, and audio pheriperials are not always fully supported on Linux. Even new hardware does not guarantee a full support.
semperverus@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 199d
Hell, even common stuff like the Elgato Stream Deck either doesnt work, works very poorly, or can't replicate all of the functionality.
mlg@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 200d
Why are these mainstream media journalists going out of their way to make Linux work and look harder than it is?You don't need to open the terminal to install software or configure anything, that's literally the whole point of every big DE that ships well made GUI apps.He solved his problem by switching off of Ubuntu to Fedora, I think I almost shed a tear lmao
ohulancutash@feddit.uk · 4 pts · 200d
But remembered to write a shitty article about it
lechekaflan@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 200d
Install Linux Problem Solved.
JackbyDev@programming.dev · 3 pts · 199d
The only problem I've had so far on Linux was due to my RAM breaking. Same shit could've happened on Windows. As much as everyone talks about needing "manual intervention" in Arch, I had to do the same shit on Windows after a bad update pushed unsigned USB drivers (which I was unaware of, I only saw the blue screen) then once I did a system restore it just failed after wiping my hard drive despite only using tools from Windows itself. I ended up having to get a third party tool to fix it all, because the vhdx files Windows made assumed my computer was UEFI despite only supporting BIOS. It was a mess.
The moral of the story is: Windows still has these problems, people are just more used to solving them so it doesn't feel like they're solving a problem.
DegenerationIP@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 200d
richardwallass@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 199d
Mainly music devices
inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 199d
So I've gone back to linux for my daily but holy hell the driver support is very much still not there, especially for gaming.
The wifi driver is flakey and drops connection requiring a disable/re-enable every so often, power management doesn't work quite right with sleep mode locking up the system every so often, keyboard no use of most of the advanced features, same for the mouse and never mind about the other various nits that I end up finding that honestly don't have much info because there's no official driver support from the companies, just mostly wonderful people who are making things work but don't have that industrial knowledge and limited time.
Still, absolutely no regrets in moving back to Linux because Windows has been just horrible since 7 and 11, which I still have to use at work, is just absolute crap.
moopet@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 199d
Standby with nvidia gpus is broken still, but everything external I've plugged into my system works first time.
Mildren@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 199d
Nvidia works fine on my end, just installed the latest drivers and been running fine since I switched (~1.5yrs)
fatcat@discuss.tchncs.de · 1 pts · 199d
Is it? Got a 3080 and my pc goes to sleep and wakes up without issues. Or do you mean a specific mode? I just use whatever cachy with KDE uses as standard.
moopet@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 198d
2080S currently, though I've had others before, can't wake up from standby with the power button or USB. On the other hand, once it's in standby, it'll turn itself back on after 30 minutes or so. The firmware on nvidia cards has always played badly though. I had an 8800 that I'd have to turn on several times each day before it would POST.
Smoogs@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 199d
Dunno about this wifi driver stuff. The only issue I had with my own was the flakey hardware on an old box and it didn’t work in windows or Linux so I can’t fault Linux for that. Anyways got a new box, so far everything has been working so far so good.
Kolanaki@pawb.social · 1 pts · 199d
Holy fuck, really? The lack of working wifi or gpu drivers is why I never stayed with Linux for daily use outside of my media server box. And the last time I tried using it for my main gaming PC was over 10 years ago.
inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 199d
GPU drivers, at least on AMD's side, have been solid and Nvidia has been generally decent and getting a lot better with the new process they're doing for the newer cards. But my scenario might be more unique to the MB implementation of the wifi chipset since when I posted on other boards, others with different MB's/cards using the same driver aren't seeing the same issues.
And of course the other downside is that the wifi 7 driver for that chip is not available for windows 10 and is windows 11 only and I do not want to use that as my daily even if the driver is solid and honestly I'm not a huge perpetual online gamer so it's not impacting my ability to use and enjoy my Bazzite instance.
IzzuThug@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 199d
I'm not sure what distro you're using or what hardware you have. But you must either have bad luck or choose bad cheap hardware.
bitchkat@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 199d
I've been using wifi on Linux since the ndiswrapper days. I haven't had a wifi issue in many many years using Lenovo, Dell, Panasonic laptops and various self built servers (but they tend to be wired)
Switorik@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 198d
I'm about a year in. I started with mint and I'm on endeavor now. It can be a bit fiddly to get setup. Once setup it behaves the same way, but less ads and copilot/edge aren't forced on you non stop.
The only issue we have is anticheat, and that only affects games like battlefield/cod. So not much of a loss there.
Mio@feddit.nu · 1 pts · 199d
To me it was like, oh, you made it different and that makes so much more sense, why are they not doing it like that in Windows? Or just during university; there is a tool for that format? And it is already installed? Nice.
MattW03@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 199d
paywalled
MunkyNutts@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 199d
Here you go:
https://archive.ph/N4thi
moopet@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 199d
Disable javascript
Alpha71@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 199d
I'm not changing until they make a "Linus Proof" distro...
PhonicsEclipse@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 199d
Why not try immutable distros? Fedora silver blue/kionote or bazzite have immutable system images. You cannot break them.
Alpha71@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 198d
I will wait until they thrust it upon Linus. If it
passessurvives him. I will look into it.evol@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 199d
I really wish we stopped linking users to random niche distros, its just much more common to run into bugs due to less users.
raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 198d
At this point, the remaining voluntary (as in: not forced by work) windows users are one giant ass Stockholm syndrome victim group/
Almost everything in Linux is easier to set up than on Windows, and thanks to the command line and basic architecture not changing, 10-15 year old tips are still valid today more often than not. Unlike Windows.
And Windows users who would fail to set up Linux from scratch & read online references to fill their knowledge gaps have most definitely never set up a Windows machine themselves, and are instead using preinstalled OSes, and buy a new computer when they need to upgrade to a newer OS version, as well as take their computer to an IT service person when something breaks.
niisyth@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 198d
I've been running debian as my main and my home-server OS for a couple years now. And I'm really happy for it.
But it hasn't been smooth sailing. I'm even on fully AMD systems. There's a bunch of stuff, biometrics and otherwise, that just doesn't work without random workarounds or even not at all.
And this elitist approach and tone is what turns a lot of folks away from even trying linux. Also, sure CLI might be great for a lot of devs, but regular users do need a GUI. And that is not fully there yet.
Warl0k3@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 198d
"Almost everything on Linux is easier to set up than on windows" has me rolling. This shit is exactly why people dismiss Linux as an option - linux enthusiasts refuse to accept the flaws in the OS, and that means those flaws never get addressed. God, or they've never had to deal with a driver incompatibility before, maybe they're just leading a charmed life...
And this is from someone that's daily driven Linux for well over a decade. Like it's a better option than windows, but it's not so great that there's not aspects that need to be improved.
raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 197d
It appears you have not installed any Windows from scratch in a long time, or tried to harden it, or solve a driver problem there. That's why you get confused. I was not saying Linux is always easy, I was saying it has overtaken Windows in almost every aspect, also because on Windows things have become more complex.
raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 197d
Regular users who "need a GUI" would be completely unable to install Windows at all, because the setup including activation (or workarounds) is way too complex for them. They might be able to install Linux from scratch though, because various distributions have good GUI installers and/or live images.
niisyth@lemmy.ca · 0 pts · 193d
The average user doesn't install windows though. They buy the pc/laptop with Windows on it already, and use it till it's in the ground.
And I cannot just install ubuntu/mint on a laptop for someone and walk away either, cause if/when anything breaks, the fix isn't approachable. And trying to tell someone to use the CLI when they're not tech savvy is not user friendly.
raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 192d
Thanks for confirming my point. Windows isn't easier to operate, it just comes preinstalled.
Nor is it likely to be manageable for that user to fix issues on Windows
KingPapaDaddy@lemmy.world · -9 pts · 199d
Only problem I have with Linux is it not working on my hardware. Windows of course works fine. So many stories of a Thinkpad T480 and Linux being such a dream, until you try it and it doesn't work.
OH! And the constant nagging for a password, literally to do anything at all. Open a browser, enter password. Install an app, enter a password. Uninstall an app, enter a password. Wake from sleep, enter a password. I thought windows was bad, I had no idea how much better it was until I tried Linux.
necrobius@lemmy.zip · 9 pts · 199d
You are definitely doing something wrong. Does it really ask for a password to open a browser? Windows always asks for a password for all that other stuff if you're not using an administrative account, which is supposed to happen. Unless you're fine with anyone that happens to get access to your computer being able to install/uninstall stuff.
KingPapaDaddy@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 199d
Yes it does. I've never had to enter a password to uninstall anything from Windows before.
leburb@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 199d
Chromium has done that to me before when I didn't setup its keyring properly. I would just hit ESC three times to get past its dialog. Now I make sure to use an empty password for its keyring because I only use Chomium when something doesn't work in Firefox.
KDE Plasma has also asked me many times for opening its keyring and that has pissed me off. I don't use KDE Plasma other than on one server though.
Some of the other password requests you can disable in the graphical system settings (like asking for password coming out of suspend).
For the rest, those are just the same as Windows UAC which asks whether you want to give something adminstrator privileges. There's probably a way to set up that experience if you'd rather click 'yes' in a popup than type your password.
necrobius@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 196d
If you're using an administrator account it won't ask for a password but it will put up a UAC prompt. If you're not using an administrator account, it puts up a UAC prompt with a password.
semperverus@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 199d
It could be the browser's password manager triggering the system keyring to unlock.
necrobius@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 196d
Possibly, but that can be disabled
brianary@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 199d
Wait, does it not work on your hardware, or are you using it frequently enough to be bothered by passwords?
KingPapaDaddy@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 199d
It mostly works. I have it set to dual boot and spend more time in Linux than in windows, forcing myself to use it. I also have a desktop that I use for windows on.