Just a decade after a global backlash was triggered by Snowden reporting on mass domestic surveillance, the state-corporate dragnet is stronger and more invasive than ever.
Amazon's Ring and Google's Nest Unwittingly Reveal the Severity of the U.S. Surveillance State
https://greenwald.substack.com/p/amazons-ring-and-googles-nest-unwittingly
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U7826391786239@lemmy.zip · 129 pts · 197d
valek879@sh.itjust.works · 57 pts · 197d
We didn't see how we got to 1984. We just see one person living with consequences of what society has become. We're building our own 1984 right now!
VeryVito@lemmy.ml · 24 pts · 196d
U7826391786239@lemmy.zip · 12 pts · 196d
shane@feddit.nl · 4 pts · 196d
I don't find Brave New World to be especially dystopian. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Venator@lemmy.nz · 1 pts · 195d
I haven't read it, what's not dystopian about it?
The first thing Wikipedia says about it is "Brave New World is a dystopian novel" 😅
Maybe you not finding it especially dystopian says more about the state of the world right now than the book... 😅
shane@feddit.nl · 3 pts · 195d
Keep in mind that the book is very old, published in 1931. DNA hadn't been mapped, information technology was limited, and so on.
In the book, people are born in factories. Working class people are born in from split cells, as quintuples if I remember correctly. Your role in life is largely determined by your genes - workers don't have the psychology for anything but labor.
In spite of that, it's not an especially oppressive society. There is a "perfect" drug, soma, which is sort of like a non-addictive, non-physically harmful heroin that can be delivered by gas. When there is unrest, security forces come in and get everyone high until they chill the fuck out.
Sex is open and easy, but always completely voluntary by everyone involved. When people are turned down they are sometimes surprised but never upset or aggressive.
Entertainment is presented as vacuous, but the people seem to enjoy it. There are movies, TV, and so on. Sports are engineered to require people take trains out of town to stadiums, and require deliberately-complicated equipment to play, in order to create demand for production.
So... is that a dystopia? There is no discussion of environmental damage, but overall it seems sustainable, not predicated on infinite growth. People are stuck in the role they were born to, but it seems like there are no artificial barriers to advancement... just that not everyone can be good at everything.
yeather@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 195d
From the view of John the Savage, and to those who’s personalities align with John, it is a dystopia. This clean, orderly, and oppressive society removes the ability to experience real highs like love and real lows like sacrifice. The workers will only know shallow replacements. Furthermore, the workers no longer have the ability to choose. They cannot choose their role in society, and seemingly they cannot choose to leave the society either. Even John is seemingly stuck in the society, and in the end gives into the sensuality and group think after trying to flay himself.
Venator@lemmy.nz · 1 pts · 195d
https://www.huxley.net/studyaid/bnwbarron.html
I'd argue that intentionally cloning people with limited abilities and then raising them to stay in thier lane is an artificial barrier...
yeather@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 195d
From the view of the savage, and to those who’s personalities align with John, it is a dystopia. This clean, orderly, and oppressive society removes the ability to experience real highs like love and real lows like sacrifice. The workers will only know shallow replacements. Furthermore, the workers no longer have the ability to choose. They cannot choose their role in society, and seemingly they cannot choose to leave the society either. Even John is seemingly stuck in the society, and in the end gives into the sensuality and group think after trying to flay himself.
umbrella@lemmy.ml · 8 pts · 197d
U7826391786239@lemmy.zip · 16 pts · 197d
some_kind_of_guy@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 196d
Give me brave new world all day - it would be vastly preferable to whatever this shit is.
shane@feddit.nl · 4 pts · 196d
Definitely. A world where people are happy and healthy and live basically fulfilling lives. There are a few fanatics who opt out, and they're unhappy. Go figure.
Venator@lemmy.nz · 2 pts · 195d
It seems Brave new world is the global north/middle class, 1984 is the global south/working class... With class experience varying by county and over time with a tend towards 1984 experience as the majorities wealth gets extracted by the upper class.
ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 91 pts · 197d
Unfortunately most people just don't fucking care, or even consider it an issue.
Someone in my local HA community proudly shared how they had been able to use AWS face recognition with their own cams so they didn't need to run face recognition locally...fucking absurd to experience someone tech-savvy willingly hand over these things and recommending others to do it too.
ThePantser@sh.itjust.works · 43 pts · 197d
They are starting to care, Amazon got a huge wakeup call when they dropped the creepy Milo ad and people destroyed their products. But now they know the line and will slowly creep past it instead of plowing past. We just need to keep pressure on the wound to stop the bleeding, we have made some great victories against AI in the last few months.
Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip · 10 pts · 196d
Yeah it's weird they decided to advertise it. They've realized that was their mistake.
Like it was a joke subplot in succession, where they had to change their tagline away from "we hear you" because they were actually listening.
Buddahriffic@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 196d
I'm disappointed that it took seeing that ad for so many people to realize what should have been obvious: ring, along with teslas, and any voice assistant listening devices, or any other cloud-based tech that monitors video, audio, or even other data, can be used to set up an unprecedented surveillance network. Phones are a part of it, too, at the very least as tracking beacons, assuming the mics and cameras aren't being tapped more often than that little activity dot indicates.
There's a reason why the venn diagram of people who really understand tech and people who are enthusiastic about most new tech in the last decade and a bit aren't the same circle. The Snowden revelations weren't surprising on the "what they are capable of" side of things, though there had been hope before they came out that they weren't crossing the lines that tech would have easily allowed them to. Just like when zuck bragged about the information fb users just gave him, that wasn't all new but there was an unspoken (and perhaps naive) rule that admins should respect their users' privacy.
When I was on the webteam for a gaming community, it would have been trivial to set up the login page to also store all user/password/email combos in a location none of the other team would be likely to notice. We hashed the password in the db, but I could change the source code to do whatever. Even if it was hashed on the client, I could have added a temporary unhashed field and get all the plaintext credentials to check who uses the same password for their email. I didn't because I respected our users, but from then on just assumed that any site admin could see my credentials and never reuse passwords.
That also applies to Lemmy, btw. At the very least, you shouldn't use the same password for you email and anything else (though also be aware emails are just sent as plaintext to a bunch of servers while being routed to your email provider).
Rooster326@programming.dev · -2 pts · 196d
arrow74@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 196d
Well not if they cancel their storage subscriptions or if the bad press makes other people not buy/cancel their subscriptions.
The camera was never the money maker, it was getting your data and charging you monthly to store your videos
No1@aussie.zone · 52 pts · 196d
Don't forget Amazon and Google also have smart speakers with microphones....
Big Brother doesn't just watch, he listens too.
Tikiporch@lemmy.world · 25 pts · 196d
I'm not allowed to have a smart speaker of any kind in my home office (work from home requirement), but especially Alexa. All my homies are required to hate Amazon.
some_kind_of_guy@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 196d
Amazon owns Ring, so it makes sense
redlemace@lemmy.world · 33 pts · 197d
I don't use anything cloud based and much of my shit isn't even allowed out to the internet.
It's a drop in the ocean, for too many say "But it's sooooo convenient and I've got nothing to hide" and open up all they got. Share camera's with amazon, email address book with facebook etc. not realizing nor caring I make an appearance in their instances too and I DO mind.
TWeaK@lemmy.today · 26 pts · 197d
I was looking for a new TV last month, the salesman said it was "sacrilege" when I told him I had no intention of connecting the TV to the internet or using its online functions since I will have a media PC connected to it. I was just interested in the quality of the screen.
henfredemars@infosec.pub · 18 pts · 197d
I had to revert the firmware on a TV because it effectively bricked itself when the software was no longer supported. I don’t connect these things to the Internet. They will simply display what I tell them to.
ToTheGraveMyLove@sh.itjust.works · 13 pts · 197d
What a twat
SeeMarkFly@lemmy.ml · 9 pts · 197d
I was looking for a phone that didn't have a camera. I told him I already have a camera that is NOT a phone.
He was aghast.
frongt@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 197d
They definitely make them, but it's mostly for the government. I don't know if you can get and use one outside of their contract.
natecox@programming.dev · 4 pts · 197d
Did you find one?
SeeMarkFly@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 197d
Well, sort of. I'm now using Google Voice as a land-line.
For portability I have a personal Hot-Spot and an old iPad that is NOT chipped for phones. I can use the iPad's browser, with my Hot-Spot, to get to my Google Voice account.
I can get voice and pictures and text but for the most part it's at HOME.
arrow74@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 196d
For portability I think I would use an older android phone loaded with your OS choice.
The iPad and phone both have cameras anyway just the phone is lighter. Keep it no sim and in airplane mode
SeeMarkFly@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 196d
Good advice, Thanks.
I did buy a used phone at the thrift store and put that in the car so I had a clock.
wildbus8979@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 190d
Mind you the issue here is that an old Android phone will likely have an outdated kernel. Even if there is a custom ROM for it. Leaving you vulnerable, which isn't great.
arrow74@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 196d
Added plus of the cell phone is it can also still call 911 even without a sim as long as you take it off airplane.
Or at least it should be able to, changing the OS could impact that
natecox@programming.dev · 18 pts · 197d
“I don’t have anything to hide” is such an insidious little lie. A colloquial fib we feel compelled to utter as a mock defense, like asserting innocence will assuage suspicion.
We all have something to hide. Probably many, many things to hide. Even just in the narrow context of the law, there are hundreds of thousands of laws that apply to any one of us at any given time, and you are almost certainly breaking some of them without even knowing it.
Personal security through privacy is so very, very important. I wish more people could see that.
bleistift2@sopuli.xyz · 10 pts · 197d
In a little town in the Netherlands life was good. The planning committee actually had smart people who made sure to plan the town according to the people’s needs. Kosher butchers, for instance, were placed near Jewish community centers. They could do that because the town had kept records on who lived where, including the people’s religion. It really was a utopia.
Then the nazis invaded, got their hands on those registries, and with utmost efficiency cleared the town of all jews.
I don’t know if this story is true. I read it (probably much better worded) a few years ago. But it honestly doesn’t matter if it’s true.
deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz · 5 pts · 197d
It's plausible and that's enough.
TheFogan@programming.dev · 10 pts · 197d
The point is whether or not it happens, as a parable it's validity is sound. Point is, if even if the current government has nothing but good intentions and would never use the information to do anything you don't agree with, and you are in perfect agreement with the current government. There is always the risk of either the government changing or someone stealing the information from the government that could weaponize it in ways you would never want.
what's crazy to me is the people who defend this type of stuff, are the ones that are also terrified of gun registration... because you know if one day a gun ban were put in place, having a list of where all the guns are would make confiscation easy and legal. But they don't realize that it's just as likely for them to hunt people who spoke out against the government, or were the wrong race.. or hell, just possibly see that you have a gun because you took it home on a ring cam.
deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz · 2 pts · 197d
100%.
arrow74@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 196d
And today Germany still makes you register your religion. You'd think they would have learned....
bleistift2@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 196d
You can clear your denomination from your file. I don’t know if it survives in a changelog, though.
redlemace@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 197d
And easy to debunk. Take their phone, ask the pin. 9 out of 10 won't. Open bank app ask pin again. You won't get that far.
tempest@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 197d
Every time I hear that I always say the same thing.
It isn't enough that you have nothing to hide.
All that's required is that the general public think they have access to information that someone might want to hide.
Once the public thinks that data can exist or is accessible all that's required is for them to lie or fabricate the required data.
"It would be very unfortunate if there was questionable content 'found' on your phone"
Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 196d
Let me put things this way:
Even if one's relaxed about data mining of private data for the purpose of serving you custom adverts, there are plenty of other use cases which can actually cost you money, not to mention the risk when the Authorities start running crime-predictive models sold to them by slimy Tech Investors with high enough rates of false positive that you run the risk of being tagged a "Terrorism" for some stupid shit like buying more bleech than the average person.
Even you think you're above board on everything and about as boring and uninteresting a person as possible, there are plenty of ways in which others known everything about you might come around and bit you in the ass in very concrete ways.
cRazi_man@europe.pub · 14 pts · 197d
When I was a kid in the 90s, there used to small fringe groups talking about global warming and everyone else rolled their eyes. Now when it's too late, people have started caring.
Privacy, security and anonymity are at that place now. Anyone talking about how fucked up it is that even your TV and fridge is mining all the data it can, is considered to be a fringe alarmist. People are going to wait till the world is on fire before taking this seriously. There was an uproar when WhatsApp changed its terms of service a couple of years ago and that died down and nothing changed. The uproar from this (and Discord) will also die down and nothing will change. Maybe one day people will see this as relevant to their lives and take it seriously.
big_slap@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 197d
people that tell me "they have nothing to hide" understand where I am coming from in terms of privacy when I ask them to write down their social security number on a piece of paper with their debit/credit card information
WanderingThoughts@europe.pub · 4 pts · 197d
Assume either Trump will go after anybody saying anything critical about him and the party, or imagine AOC takes over the government and going after anybody saying something positive about Trump. Without privacy, you're f-ed either way.
baggachipz@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 196d
Yeah that’s not gonna happen. I get what you mean, but she’s not some despotic arch-trump.
WanderingThoughts@europe.pub · 3 pts · 196d
Only in Fox news reality, I know
MrKoyun@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 196d
If you have nothing to hide, would you please consider installing 4K cameras in every corner of your house that publicly livestream your every action and also remove your front door?
LMurch@thelemmy.club · 3 pts · 197d
It may seem like a drop in the ocean now, but if things ever got to the point where we're being divided up into groups, you might be oddly left out of every group. It's not hard to de-Google, de-Meta, inconvenient at times, but maybe it pays dividends down the road.
tburkhol@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 197d
The trouble with living in a panopticon is that becomes suspicious to not be on a list.
frongt@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 197d
We're already seeing that where people are suspicious when you don't have Facebook or whatever.
redlemace@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 197d
Recent tv's became thin client's. Turn it on and it first need to download the app('s)
minorkeys@lemmy.world · 31 pts · 196d
A state that should have been obvious to everyone FFS. The cameras are pointed at neighbourhoods, the audio is poly directional, which includes inside the home, and are hooked up to wifi to transmit the data. We have facial recognition, speech recognition, even gait recognition, AI object identification, license plate readers, audio filtering, all automated and analysed for review and every smart device has cameras and microphones.
Yall are fucking morons for embracing all this shit and normalizing a surveillance state that none of us have any control of and doesn't benefit society at all. It's been a slow moving car accident for 20 years that the masses are too fucking stupid and too arrogant to see until the wreck happens.
mech@feddit.org · 37 pts · 196d
I don't think you're insulting the right audience here.
some_kind_of_guy@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 196d
Yeah, we're the people who've been sounding the alarm for 20+ years. I'm tired boss
masterofn001@lemmy.ca · 8 pts · 196d
I swear the friendly future I had hoped of as a kid in the 80s/90s was either all propaganda, hijacked, or we actually did end up in an alternate timeline of pure fuckery.
This is not the future I evangelized.
And yeah, those of us who grew up through it have seen the horrific turn of things have taken from potential world changing awesome humanity, to absolute evil.
slaacaa@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 196d
minorkeys@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 195d
I mean that in the general sense, to society at large.
FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 196d
100%
Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 0 pts · 196d
I'm pretty sure plenty if not most of people here pay most of their shopping with a card rather than cash, even though that shit at minimum goes into a database for ever and ever, probably shared with the authorities and in some countries just outright sold for pennies to anybody willing to pay for it.
And don't get me started with just how many Techies jumped into Tesla's "surveillance nightmare on wheels" - I mean, Techies were very much a large block of early adopters of Tesla cars and this was already well after the Snowden Revelations.
Further, how many people are in the habit of accessing the Internet behind a VPN?
(Personally, living in Britain - maybe the worst offender - at the time, the Snowden Revelations were what prompted me to start using a VPN regularly)
Whilst lots of people here have an actual "lets keep my digital footprint" mindset and praxis, I get the impression that most do not, and even those who bitch and moan about "surveillance" trade convenience (or, even worse, the Techie desire for "shinny new thing" thus getting shit like Alexa) for high digital visibility.
So yeah, maybe not "Yall", but probably "Most of you".
4grams@awful.systems · 29 pts · 196d
As a working dad with kids, I like my doorbell cam. My self hosted, non-cloud, local only doorbell cam that is.
My f’ing camera feeds are mine.
daychilde@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 196d
But what if some stranger loses their dog? You could have helped, but NOoOOOOooooo you had to be selfish with your privacy you MONSTER.
Mr_Dr_Oink@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 196d
Got any tips on a good model to get? I want one that i can access remotely via my phone. I have to relevant tools to make it remotely accessible but the cameras need to be able to speak to my software. I have a raspberry pi that i can use as a server.
MrKoyun@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 196d
Well, cross the wrong street once and now you're in somebody else's neatly AI analyzed, uploaded to remote corporate servers and then handed to the government camera feeds...
The world is a joke. Everyone is "entitled" to their privacy, but it isn't massively illegal to just have a camera running somewhere 24/7 or even recording in public with a phone.
UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 195d
Fuck that, we should be able to record ice and the cops
EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 195d
Correct. My database of my neighbors faces and biometric data are MINE. I am its rightful guardian
FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world · 27 pts · 196d
It is fascinating to me that the FBI desperately wanting to pretend that they're relevant and doing actual investigative work in the Guthrie case stupidly confirmed that corporations are not only spying on us all, but feeding the data into federal databases for access without a warrant or any meaningful oversight.
Y'all, it's wild that so much of what your dumbass, Infowars-obsessed grandparents told you is literally true and provable now.
A few people have said it, but I'm really glad my tech is always a few generations behind and I never bought into voice assistants or smart home technology. And I keep my phone in a faraday bag when not in use. That probably makes it somewhat harder for them to spy on me logistically.
XeroxCool@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 196d
My dad rips his name out of junk mail and shreds it. He doesn't want his name tied to his address, which is ironic in the first place, given that he's already getting junk mail. He's been worried about hiding his identity, address, cars, etc from some unknown surveillance entity based around Red Scare beliefs. Still, a few steps short of foil hat types.
Then he went and got cloud-based cameras. He's clueless about smartphone privacy already. He resembles his friends in his cohort. They protested "leftist government surveillance" and then showed me that they'd will invite mystery surveillance in with the slightest promise of convenience.
FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 196d
Sounds about right. Boomers are adorable.
What's also interesting to me about this is imagining how many crimes they know about that they simply allow to take place.
Auli@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 195d
I mean why assume a boomer. Very easily a genx or millennial. Think about it millennials kids are around 20 now.
FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 195d
That's fair. Gen Z and millenials are radicalized by their corporate social media feeds too. I just default to Boomer because, for so long, Boomers were emblematic of this kind of thinking.
Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 25 pts · 196d
What "global backlash"?
If there had been such a thing European citizens and companies would have not have spent the next decade putting their data in America's hands and now be scrambling to decouple as American goes from Hard Neoliberal At Home Fascist Abroad to Full-on Fascist Everywhere.
For people paying attention back then it was painfully obvious back then that one could not trust one's data in the hands of American companies or in fact any companies from a 4-eyes (meanwhile expanded to 7-eyes) country and yet the rush for putting personal and corporate data in American cloud systems were insane (not helped by the EU approving the US as a "safe haven" for data, something so outrageous after the the Snowden Revelations that I bet a lot of people involved were either customers of Epstein's "services" or corrupt as fuck).
In fact, that massive surveillance cooperative operation expanding from 4 countries to 7 is also a pretty good indication that there wasn't really a "global backlash", otherwise countries like New Zeeland would be wary of joining it as it would get them cut out of international data networks and agreements.
Only countries like China seem to have taken the whole thing seriously and setup their own local stack of consumer and corporate data sharing and storing, and that seems to have been driven at least partly by wanting to do exactly the same as the 4-eyes countries were doing.
daychilde@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 196d
It's kinda hilarious that propaganda in the US talked about "EU is always watching you" as a part of the propaganda against government regulations. While some places over there are starting to see the rise of fascist parties, I think awareness of the US's fall into fascism is hurting their cause as people are a little more aware than they might otherwise be.
And while I don't generally like any government monitoring, if I had to choose, I'd choose EU monitoring over US monitoring any day, considering how our democracy has long been secondary to capitalism (with our own special twist of that old socialist phrase, for us "Taking the resources of the many to concentrate in the hands of the few ultra-wealthy")
Our oligarchs have corrupted the entire system, and our government allows us just enough to survive while funelling all the resources up to the oligarchs. They have more than they could possibly spend, and they still demand more More MORE M O R E.
Back to cameras: In this case, more data, more control, more intimidation, more fear.
Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 196d
The only place in the EU with surveillance anywhere as bad as the US was Britain and they aren't in the EU anymore.
And this is just State surveillance.
When it comes to Private Sector surveillance, nowhere in the EU are things anywhere close to as bad in the US since EU countries have far tighter Privacy regulations and even outside the EU-wide regulations most countries have had pretty strict Medical and Banking data regulations for quite a while.
That Propaganda in the US is a mix of straight bullshit about government surveillance in Europe - which in reality is not much of a thing outside dictatorships or Britain - and the insiduious take of, anchored on the Hard-Neoliberal Fable that Public Is Bad, Private Is Good, not even considering private sector surveillance and its impact, when that's a far worse problem in the US than in Europe.
Auli@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 195d
Americans gate the government but live companies Europe us the opposite.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 196d
Just another day of headline gore. Anything to get you to click past the headline.
UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 195d
Jokes on them, I never read the article. If its important the article will be reposted in the comments.
Auli@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 195d
I never for that. Why would countries become so dependent on another one. Like the west would crumple rich now if America vanished.
Godric@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 196d
I loved that ad, it instantly brought the point I've been making for years home to the whole Super Bowl party.
Ghostie@lemmy.zip · 21 pts · 196d
fierysparrow89@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 196d
Imagine that 🤣
If anyone wonders why there are so many scams, it's easy! The average consumer is in general are short sighted, gullible and naive. Of course there will be plenty who will to exploit that.
melsaskca@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 196d
The conditions of capitalism make desperate people, or those after easy money, ripe for plunder. Ahh capitalism, you glorious old whore.
b_tr3e@feddit.org · 18 pts · 196d
As if this hadn't been obvious the very moment they started connecting their massive amount of same model cameras to servers under their own regime (aka " the cloud"). And as if nobody told you so.
Sprawl@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 195d
Still, the more idiots that learn, the more of a chance we have at some sort of pushback or perhaps a slowing of it, maybe.
sommerset@thelemmy.club · 16 pts · 196d
That's why I only buy Chinese.
Even if they surveill they have no reason to hurt me
matlag@sh.itjust.works · 19 pts · 196d
And you're absolutely certain they don't sell the data back to US brokers or even authorities directly?
Duamerthrax@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 196d
You could, idk, maybe not buy prepackaged surveillance camera that rely on someone else's computer to work.
sommerset@thelemmy.club · -1 pts · 196d
Well ya, obviously. And I do that. But for most people that's not an option. They just gonna get what they have available from Amazon and works via wifi
Duamerthrax@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 196d
If I have to choose between buying into a US run surveillance state or buying into a Chinese run surveillance state, I choose to buy neither.
frongt@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 196d
That's a very short-sighted and unimaginative position.
sommerset@thelemmy.club · 0 pts · 196d
Lmao. Idgaf. I get 0 money from ring income. Maybe they should stop fing me first.
daychilde@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 196d
dude, buying people is illegal!
;-)
UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 195d
Renting is legal
Skyrmir@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 197d
We need legislation with teeth before they manage to get this in every house. It's going to happen. Your phone, TV, doorbell, car, crosswalks and street signs are all going to be recording and tracking you eventually. Just recognize that's going to happen no matter what, and get real oversight and rules into place now. If we wait until it's all locked, the ruling party will never let it end.
Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 197d
He said, while living under a dictatorship.
Skyrmir@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 196d
Never said it was an easy lift. There's a long road between where we are and a functioning society. And currently most of Europe is in the lead.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 196d
The contradictions in the US are crazy.
We're living in this enormous Panopticon - a massive digital fishbowl - for tracking and harassing and arresting lawful citizens. But you can kidnap an Olympics announcer's mom, live on camera, and no one can find you. No one can catch you. Even as Ring runs "Find My Dog With AI" commercials during the Super Bowl.
Auli@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 195d
What someone did that?
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 195d
Nancy Guthrie, 84-year-old mother of NBC anchor Savannah Guthrie, was reportedly abducted from her Tucson, Arizona home on February 1, 2026,
scarabic@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 196d
Just wanted to point out one oddly written passage:
I was hoping to see that this story had gone national and wasn’t just a buzz in privacy centric circles, so my ears pricked up when they said “numerous media outlets.” But then the example they gave was a quote from was EFF, which I would not exactly call a “media outlet.”
Below they go on to say that “private citizens” also cried out, and then they use a quote from a USA Today article. USA Today - now that’s a media outlet. 🤷♂️
Next they say that even scum sucker fish are against all this, using a quote from JD Vance to back it up, and that part was all right.
XeroxCool@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 196d
My progressive-but-detached friends have suddenly noticed how creepy the services are. Not sure if it's enough to get them to cancel whatever they have, but the combo of "Ring wants constant access" and "Google handed over inaccessible data" has at least gotten them to question their privacy.
Can't speak for conservatives because I don't have any of those left in my circle.
MrKoyun@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 196d
Sometimes stuff like this makes me at least a tiny bit happy to be living in a 3rd world shithole where the country isnt seen as prime-quality consumer habitat.
Catnipchewer@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 196d
The thing with privacy is nobody thinks about it until they need it, then it's too late.
Clbull@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 195d
The Machiavellian part of me thinks Ring screwed up by not raising the stakes. Search Party and the way they advertised it makes you go "awww' when you see the golden retriever and then "wait, WHAT?" when they show all their Ring doorbells going full surveillance mode in locating the missing dog.
A lengthier ad showing a pedophile being tracked down and arrested by law enforcement mid-abduction, their victim rescued, then the nonce being served justice may have had a more positive response.
I mean, "think of the children" has been the perfect strawman argument to justify mass surveillance, after all...
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 8 pts · 196d
What's with that crude 2x4 protection assembly? You're setting up a permanent camera fixture, and THAT'S what you use for protection? What's it for, a junkyard? You couldn't paint it, at least?
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 196d
Planned Obsolescence, baby! You don't make money running the Panopticon if your clients aren't constantly paying 10x the asking price to endlessly repair and replace your shitty TEMU knock-off surveillance kits.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 7 pts · 196d
most of whats being funneled into palintir to look for any threats against the right wing regime, simple as that, or anything that threatens the old guard DNC too.
phx@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 196d
Frigate with a cheap "AI" accelerator (running visual models) FTW!
Ladislawgrowlo@lemy.lol · 6 pts · 195d
minus 1 Billion credit ranking due to your opinions.
NewDay@feddit.org · 6 pts · 196d
This is American culture.
DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 196d
First they sell the fear, then they sell the "solution". Poor on poor crime is down to record lows. What's up is government crime on poors, that has skyrocketed.
All these cameras do for the people who paid for them is provide a memento of the thing being stolen from the front yard. If you think you're going to show the video to a cop, and they're going to say, "Hey! I know that guy!", and then run off and retrieve your truck that's too big to fit in your garage, you are sorely mistaken.
Also, if you install these things inside your house, you can bet dollars to donuts that someone is gooning to your antics. I mean, besides your dad.
Soup@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 196d
Government crime as funded by the rich and greedy, to be more precise. The government isn’t simply working with the rich but was actively bought and paid for and is not executing the job they were paid to do.
daychilde@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 196d
I know a lot of times replies are viewed as "You're wrong!" but this, if anything, I think reinforces your comment:
I went looking for statistics and couldn't find any, but did run across these assertions:
Certainly people are becoming more aware of those cameras and perhaps covering up to disguise their identity. So at most they might deter someone from going for your house, but as they become even more common, that effect will probably drop off.
peopleproblems@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 197d
I was gonna make a joke how confusing it must be to see a guy appear between houses and seemingly never go home.
But then I realized I have a smart phone that listens to everything I say and tracks where I am.
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip · 0 pts · 197d
Gammelfisch@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 195d
The spread of 5G, Data Centers and fiber optic connections directly to home will make everything move faster for Big Bro! The homes in the true 1st World countries received fiber optic connections long ago, while the US continues to fail.
BoJackHorseman@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 195d
NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 187d
Kill yourself.
Sam_Bass@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 196d
If you really need to see who knocking, just put a camera at a high enough point not to scan past the porch