Keep the dumbass reddit style "jokes" to reddit. Either answer the question or stfu. You're not funny and your lame attempt at a "joke" is just annoying.
I don't see anything in the rules that says you can't make a joke in the comments. The only thing that comes close is rule 7, and even that allows comments. Maybe you should go back to reddit?
I liked Manjaro, they had a nice theme, it was in the direction of Arch, but still had some guardrails for the noobish.
Then my system kept breaking, then they screwed up their certs. If they want to fork it and go forward with a different focus/ideology, that's fine by me.
Could you please explain why not renewing their certs is such a serious betrayal? Like, if they fixed it, isn't that okay? And even if it happened again, and they fixed it again, isn't it human to err? Or why is it such a harsh offense?
Serious question, I don't know the consequences of not renewing these certs. š
It's the tls certificate that proves your website is legit. Without which, you can potentially be a malicious actor that can pose as the website, and when you download the iso, you could unknowingly download something malicious. It's pretty hard to forget certificate renewal (most of the time there are plenty of reminders sent and warnings given), so the fact that it happened twice was very impressively bad.
It's pretty hard to forget certificate renewal (most of the time there are plenty of reminders sent and warnings given)
Oh boy. Seems to be the opposite in real life. Especially when it comes to managing stored cert of businesses partners. It has gotten somewhat better now of course, but three years ago most of my company's sev1 production issues were due to lapsing or unscheduled cert changes.
it's the main way for software to verify the identity of a source. without it you let nefarious actors do something like hijack a DNS server and impersonate your servers to your users, which is a pretty big problem if you're running a software distribution network! it is literally a breach of trust and massive security vulnerability. and it probably broke a ton of shit when software that uses the certificate found an expired one and suddenly (and correctly) refused to work.
People are very harsh with Manjaro. There's more than just a list of objective facts unfortunately. I suppose there were some bruised egos at some point.
The certs issue wasn't a big deal, it didn't change anything for me as a user. It just paints a bad image.
As a former Manjaro user, it has some issues. It has weird bugs that aren't present in any other Arch-based distro. Pamac ddosing the AUR is pretty bad as well. I'm thankful I used it as long as I did though. It got me hooked on Arch based distros. Everything else feels antiquated now. Actually, Void Linux is kinda cool
Its not just the fact that certs expired, it's them advising people to bypass warnings or change their system time and how many times they've had the issue.
Failing to renew TLS certificates on time multiple times is enough to never touch it again, but there's also been a lot of other problems with Manjaro.
When I used Manjaro, it never made it more than 6 weeks before something would catastrophically break and I'd have to roll back using snapshots.
The manifesto mentions this and that tooling had been made by volunteers but leadership ignored or rejected it (wasn't clear which). So it seems that they are firing their leadership for the same reasons you want to stay away, which is a good sign, at least. Like promising that they are willing to mutiny to stop the enshitification.
Is Garuda a serious distro? Last I heard it was basically a few people's hobby project. Not to say one shouldn't use it, but I don't know if it's on par with EOS and Cachy.
Except that I want the same release cycle as Manjaro. The only equivalent I have found so far seems to be OpenSuse Slowroll, in beta for the past 2 years.
I'm too old for that. I'm running a fairly recent laptop - 4 years old. It's not a beast but largely enough for my usage. Not enough for Gentoo though!
If I may, would you seriously consider switching to openSUSE Slowroll if Manjaro's situation doesn't improve? Or, are there reasons beyond its beta status that hold you back?
I used to hop distributions in my youth, between 2000 and 2019. I have settled on Manjaro and never looked back.
As of today, my desktop works perfectly and I have not seen any stability issues.
I am considering testing openSUSE Slowroll in the coming months but not on my main computer. What's holding me back is that I can't see any momentum behind Slowroll. I have no clue if the solution will be supported for a long period. I'd like to have more guarantees than what is on openSUSE website.
I hope openSUSE will eventually get around and enjoy some much deserved momentum. I feel it isn't quite reaching its full potential as a project, because it (somehow) fails to attract a bigger audience. Don't get me wrong, it's definitely doing well and it holds its own admirably. But, (going off of ProtonDB's data) where Fedora (together with its derivatives) managed to effectively increase its market share by at least 400%, openSUSE^[It's the green colored bar found right under Manjaro] -despite Tumbleweed making more sense for gaming- was only able to keep what it had...
I (mostly) agree. I believe that bootc might have played a role in EU_OS' decision to pick Fedora over openSUSE. Back then, it wasn't possible to use it outside of Fedora's ecosystem. But Bootcrew has since released bootc images for other distros; including openSUSE. So hopefully they will reconsider it.
The fact that CachyOS more or less successfully replaced Manjaro's purpose I guess is evidence of Manjaro's issues.
I forgot but I think Bazzite had similar complaints (due to its use of silverblue) in which case it was just more straightforward to use Fedora or OpenSUSE if you don't want to work with the read only root system.
Downstream distros need to bring additional value to the table to be worth using, otherwise there's really no need if you can make a package group that accomplishes the same thing in one go.
I had been using Pop-os for about a year but wasn't completely happy with it. A friend suggested Bazzite and, to me, it was a lot better in some ways and worse in others. I've since switched to Fedora and don't really have any complaints. I don't plan on switching again baring something I don't see coming.
I had to check boxes for gaming packages specifically to get installed. It's an extremely fast Arch fork first and foremost, with gaming features second.
I thought it'd be gaming first too but it was clear during install that's more of an "oh also".
yeah, but me switching from EndeavourOS to CachyOS, what tangible benefits am I realistically going to gain? if all I do is use Firefox and play music/movies? ya know?
As others suggest, why stay attached to Manjaro at all? Instead of forking, what about expending that energy on a rising distro without such reputational damage?
CachyOS is very close āin spiritā if they want to develop modified/custom packages, but there are plenty Arch downstream distros with less toxic communities.
They could even fork some other project and make the changes they like. Itād be a saner base than Manjaro at this point.
You are assuming that the cachy devs want the help of folks who have not demonstrated competence in their own project or want to do stuff how manjaro does
Social status alone is a reason to try and keep it alive. You might have had an influential and powerful role as a Manjaro forum mod, package maintainer, server admin, etc. Switching to a different distro means you will have to start at zero and work your way up.
Aragorn writes that Philip MĆ¼ller (the project lead) has been running Manjaro as his own personal venture rather than a community effort, keeping a tight hold on access to both the codebase and the infrastructure.
These weasels never care about the actual thing that is being built, its just a way to make money for them.
Hope they kick that Philip guy out and get back to making this a passion project.
The core members with passion for the actual thing should restart under a new name.
I started using Manjaro long before all this crap started going down, and I've been holding on hoping this all gets sorted because I hate distto hopping.
But sadly I don't think its going to happen. I've got a new PSU coming to fix a burnt out one that has left my desktop turned off and unupdated for two months. Might be time for an install of something new rather than updating afterwards.
It's indeed the time. I found Cachy was a good pivot, similar feel but seems to work better overall. Manjaro is still based on Arch after all, technically.
A significant portion of the Manjaro team has signed a manifesto demanding the project split from its parent company and restructure as a non-profit.
Sourav Rudra 18 Mar 2026
Manjaro has long been one of the more popular Arch-based Linux distributions, known for making Arch Linux more accessible to everyday users. But it has been losing ground for years, both in terms of user trust and active contributors, and the complaints about its direction have only gotten louder.
Now, things have hit a breaking point, with calls for a fork if the current leadership does not budge.
A Manjaro team member going by the handle "Aragorn" has published the "Manjaro 2.0 Manifesto" on the official Manjaro forum. The post lays out a detailed restructuring plan for the project that has been signed by 19 team members, including developers, community managers, moderators, and the company's technical lead.
Is there any weight behind this?
The manifesto opens by stating that the Manjaro Project has been declining over the past decade, losing trust and contributors while repeating the same mistakes without ever addressing them.
One example cited is the repeated failure to keep TLS certificates current, something volunteers had reportedly already built tooling to fix, only to be ignored.
From there, it goes after the core issue directly. Aragorn writes that Philip MĆ¼ller (the project lead) has been running Manjaro as his own personal venture rather than a community effort, keeping a tight hold on access to both the codebase and the infrastructure.
Aragorn goes on to say that:
The priorities of the Project leadership do not align with those of the developers and community. The current leadershipās goal is to turn Manjaro into a successful business, and thus far, these attempts have mostly failed.
The money situation makes it worse. The manifesto says the company, Manjaro GmbH & Co KG, has not been funneling any of its funds back into the project and has not pursued outside funding either.
**What the team wants is a clean separation, where the Manjaro Project is spun off from Manjaro GmbH & Co. KG and restructured as a registered nonprofit association under German law (e.V.).
The new structure would distribute ownership equally among members, use transparent voting for major decisions, and assign "arbiter" roles to experienced contributors for specific domains.
Under the proposal, the nonprofit would get full use of the Manjaro trademark through 2029. The company keeps the right to use it too, as long as the two don't step on each other's toes. After that initial period, the manifesto nudges the company to declare that it is willing to hand over full trademark ownership to the nonprofit for ā¬1.
Key assets like the GitHub organizations, the self-hosted GitLab instance, forum, CDN, and the manjaro.org domain would all move over to the non-profit as well.
**The team has also laid out what would happen if they were ignored. The "Our Resolve" section of the manifesto says that there are three stages (from 0-2): waiting for a reply, striking and going public, and finally forking or leaving. Within Stage 1, there are three phases that control how public the document gets.
They skipped Phase 2 and jumped straight to Phase 3 a few days ago, moving the manifesto to the public Announcements section of the forum and archiving the thread on archive.org. If things don't improve, then a forum lockdown is on the table.
**Don't think that this is some kind of witch hunt. One of the Manjaro team members, Dennis ten Hoove, has clarified that the goal of this initiative is not to kick people off the project but to change the leadership and help foster Manjaro as a healthy community-driven project.
Expect a bumpy transition
Philip did break his silence on the matter, saying that he is fine with an association being formed but wants no part in setting one up himself. He also made clear that handing over any assets would need to happen on the company's terms and closed with a warning that public statements damaging to either himself or the business could have legal consequences.
The protesting team's response was measured, where Aragorn pushed back, pointing out that the manifesto already lets the company continue using the infrastructure for as long as it needs to move its operations elsewhere.
Roman Gilg, who signed the manifesto despite being the company's CTO, put a direct question to Philip, asking whether he had any specific objection to the list of assets outlined in the document. Philip went quiet again.
After days of silence on that question, Aragorn declared that Philip was stalling and announced the team was skipping Phase 2 and moving straight to Phase 3 (where things stand as of now).
What can you do?
There's an active community discussion thread with over 200 replies, started specifically to accommodate talks surrounding the manifesto. If you have thoughts on what's going wrong with the Manjaro project and what could be done better, you can head over and weigh in.
One of the Manjaro old timers, Stefano Capitani, has recently posted there, sharing his view of the situation:
I have to apologize to all of you. It seems Iāve missed some of the events here. I believe, without fear of contradiction, that I, along withĀ @guinuxĀ ,Ā @oberonĀ , and of courseĀ @philm, am one of the āold timersā still active, if not as much as before, but still active in Manjaro.
I have to be honest, I feel like Iām having flashbacks because weāve already had these discussions or āstormsā in the past. Weāve always come out stronger, and weāll come out stronger this time too.
PS:You need to be logged in to the Manjaro forum to view user profiles.
The new structure would distribute ownership equally among members, use transparent voting for major decisions, and assign "arbiter" roles to experienced contributors for specific domains
Thanks, but I didn't write anything -- I just copy pasted the linked article -- maybe it is not what the website would want, but I much prefer reading the article in the comments vs having to click the link to read the article.
Raises an interesting philosophical and operational point about how content online should be paid for.
Huh, that's too bad. I used it for years to get comfortable with an rolling release arch distro. I thought it was good, but it would break from time to time. Thankfully, Arch is easy to install and maintain these days.
Me neither. The more I dwell on it, the grumpier I'm getting. Distro hopping is a young man's sport. I've got work to do.
Thankfully, I learned the hard way a long time ago that my files are almost entirely on a secondary drive and my home folders are all simply symlinks to folders there, so I won't lose any data since that drive won't be wiped. But it's just such a pain in the butt to set up everything the way I like it.
Gnome has a Save Desktop app which backs up your desktop config, list of Flatpak apps, and the folders you choose. I use Bazzite but I'm not locked in.
Psst, you can keep your /home. Copy /home/username to a new partition before the install (just the username folder in the root of the new partition), do the install, and point it at your new partition as /home. Bam, it's your new home.
Or you could copy out/copy back.
You'll need to reinstall your apps, but you won't need to redo all your settings for them.
Ya I used to do this but didn't for this install. I think I'm just going to make a new partition or slap in another disk for the OS and my out the manjaro disk as my home and blow away the rest of the OS.
I've been on Manjaro for years, but have been considering switching to Endeavour or CachyOS (or maybe vanilla Arch, but I'm lazy). Looks like it may be time to ditch Manjaro.
Doesn't look like it. But the project will now go to the to-be-founded non-profit association.
Philm actually replied around the time of your comment, sharing his disdain that this plan was set in motion, while as company owner he has no one to talk to legally, since the association has not been founded yet. He's supportive of the move, and technically he's right. The association should've already been founded, to be fair.
Manjaro will become even less well maintained because the people working on it will spend their time managing this crisis instead of doing productive work on the distro.
as an outsider, reading the forum discussion, the split is not the crisis, the crisis is already ongoing, and the split from the company is actually a step towards a good solution. Also, the discussion tone seems to be very constructive.
I wouldn't necessarily say it's bad, but I don't use it because:
The project's had a history of failing at really basic administrative tasks like keeping their ssl certificate up to date
I'm unconvinced they actually do the testing that justifies the delays and not just using arch. This is because security patches sometimes also get delayed and issues have gotten past the delay
They've accidentally DDoSed the aur multiple times by shipping broken versions of pamac when fixed versions were available
I've seen complaints about leadership and how they handle finances, though I haven't really looked into this
Itās not so much that the distro is bad, but the leadership of the project, according to a lot of the community working on it, is very unresponsive, bad at administration, doesnāt make decisions that need to be made in a timely manner and not really doing their job. The community basically wants to cut them out and move on.
Don't worry, it's just the open-source version of the market correcting. There's no stock, no venture capital. If the group putting in time and effort to help maintain something doesn't like how the project is being run, they take a copy and start over with a new name. It's happened countless times on OS, it'll happen countless more. Often, the existing leadership is burned out, some of the more active members move on, and those left through attrition lack the skills to keep it going. The forks generally move forward faster and cleaner with more active people. Other than needing to change distros, it's pretty much a win.
I dont know about manjaro, but manjaro for arm is dead in the water and hasnt updated its packages from upstream (arch linux arm) in ages.
I assume regular manjaro has similar issues? Dont know though, and im guessing
The only reason I went with manjaro this last time is because I had my arch Linux install adventure already and I just wanted my computer to work. is there an install script that just works now?
I just switched from Bazzite to Cachy today. For some reason my disk space got... clogged, with Bazzite? Filelight was no help so I backed everything up, wiped the disk, installed Cachy, replaced my files, and the disk went from being nearly full to only using 600GB. Still not sure what happened there.
Cachy, meanwhile, has asked me to update 4 times in the 4 hours I've been using it. Which is fine, I get that Arch is rolling release, but now on the 4th update it keep failing for some reason. Also I can't have my headphones and speakers plugged in at the same time or my speakers don't work.
Sigh. All this KDE stuff is nice and flashy, and my games have worked with both Bazzite and Cachy, so I appreciate that, but damn is it tough for me to make a Linux recommendation to anyone else that isn't just "use Mint, it's stable." Anything more in depth turns into a mini essay (see above!)
I know, I just like to see the "up to date" symbol in the toolbar, especially on a fresh install. Like I said, I get that it's rolling release; the problem isn't the frequency of updates, it's that this most recent update keeps failing when I try to install it.
now on the 4th update it keep failing for some reason.
Running an Arch based distro comes with a commitment to learning "the Arch way". You need to be willing to look at the terminal output of pacman and see what the errors mean. Being close to bleeding edge means that on occasion something will fail or end up in a state that you need to resolve. Its usually easy, but you need to pay attention to what pacman is telling you. If that isn't something someone is interested in there are plenty of other excellent distros out there that will meet their needs.
Just checked the fstab on my tablet and they have subvolumes for root, home, srv, cache, log and tmp. I also have snap-pac installed and not sure if it's installed by default but I assume it is. Their KDE is awesome! Very polished. They have really taken the time to make arch easy.
They have all sorts of aliases in the .bashrc that are there to make transitioning to arch a little less daunting to the average user. Things like reflector to stay current with mirrorlists.
The have warnings when something is wrong during updates with instructions how to fix, taking care of conflicts during updates, fixing pacman lock, garuda-update remote fix to restore pacman to their default's. Chaotic AUR might be installed by default, not sure it's been a long while since I installed. Great setup assistant, and installer. btrfs-assistant and eza setup. Might want to install and set up meld to handle pacdiff in the .bashrc alias pacdiff="sudo -H DIFFPROG=meld pacdiff"
If you want easyarch Garuda is it. If you want a real arch experience without having to go through the manual install process, endeavour or archinstall is the way to go. You might have to setup btrfs and snapper the way you want it manually though. Im not sure about endeavour as I haven't used it in a while. It's pretty easy to do though.
It's inefficient, but he is stating that he is now using "only 600GB", so I would guess it shouldn't be that notable to someone who thinks 600GB is not much.
Oh, I didn't realize how unclear that was. The disk is a 2TB NVME SSD. I searched and searched, even booted into Mint on another disk and tried to search from there, and could only find a few hundred GB worth of files (probably about 600GB if I had to guess, lol). I genuinely have no idea what could have been taking up nearly 1.4TB of space, so that's all I meant when I said "only."
My suspicion is that something was going wrong whenever I deleted anything. Maybe for some reason the data just weren't going anywhere, even though the trash was empty and they were no longer showing up in their old locations. Hence the term "clogged." No similar issues with Cachy just yet, though.
So, yeah, flatpak is horribly inneficient on disk usage and can easily take 60GB if you are a bit generous on app installs. 60GB is, notably, less than 1.4TB
Out of curiosity, how did you search for what was using up the space? Did you try apps like baobab or filelight? One of them is usually preinstalled and they have not failed me yet (except when hard-linking or copy-on-write is involved, but that shouldn't show up on the global disk usage percentage)
Iāve used Archinstall without issue a couple times now. I get why it might not fit every use case or seem as intuitive to others as it does to me but Iāve enjoyed using it.
I tried to use Archinstall but I was installing on a partition on a secondary drive and I couldn't get it to go in the right place so I just did it the long way. It's really not that hard but I can see how it's a bit daunting if you've never done it before. Archinstall seems like it would be good if you where installing it as the main os.
ArchInstall seems to offer or install stuff that may be confusing for a new user though, such as installing the OS on LVM, enabling zram, zero swap allocated, etc
If I bothered to do it all over again, I'd likely go with manual install instead of ArchInstall.
yeah something like this is what I'm talking about. when I set up my laptop I followed a Reddit post by someone who had the same model. it wasn't difficult by any means but it took a while to get everything configured.
Manjaro comes with a shitload of stuff that I don't need and I end up ripping out a lot of it and disabling services
In addition to what has been mentioned already, Garuda is an Arch derivative where convenience is the whole point. No install scripts, just your usual live ISO with a Calamares installer plus a bunch of convenience utilities once you're set up.
It's not exactly lightweight by default but it does make for a very comfortable Arch experience.
This is why I'm going to argue for pure Arch or Artix. Ultimately, what a lot of these distros bring to the table is artwork. But they bite off a lot more than artwork when doing so. And in time they can start to suck at that administration.
It's not very hard to set up your system with a vanilla DE and adjust it into something good. You don't need to get fancy. And to the extent someone else's art work can be good and accelerate getting to a nice system, there are other ways to distribute that.
You should want your distro to be 95% administration and 5% art because in the long run that's whats going to keep your system stable and avoid future headaches. But some artists are overly ambitious and envision creating an entire version of an operating system, including the parts they aren't passionate about. And some people buy in on this premise and install these projects. ...instead of just releasing dot files.
For it to go well requires that both the leadership and the contributors are passionate about all of the parts and passionate about them forever. Not very likely. If you want a distro that is administered well, get a distro where administration is all they do, and then get your artwork as a separate selection.
Now you can get your art from artists who put 95% of their effort into art. And your package stability by people who put 95% of their effort into package stability.
Everyone has romantic feelings toward a system that is integrated. But what they should realize is that integrated and modular are opposites. And modular is what they should want, with effective roll separation.
If they fork Majaro that is good. If when they fork it they scope down to just distribute a dot file set, and maybe create their own easy installer for Arch that isn't a seperate whole distro, that is better.
I havenāt used Arch for quite a while but doesnāt it come with an install script now which makes the installation more automated? That should enable a lot more people to install Arch instead of e.g. Manjaro I suppose. Iām not an expert on Manjaro but are there any meaningful positives to pick Manjaro over Arch?
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zewm@lemmy.world · 179 pts · 163d
Honestly the damage is done. Manjaro has been an instant no from me dog for a long time. The name carries a negative connotation. Trust has eroded.
rabber@lemmy.ca · 81 pts · 163d
What happened?
chemical_cutthroat@lemmy.world · 111 pts · 163d
The trust. It eroded.
ramble81@lemmy.zip · 55 pts · 163d
I mean, I think they were looking for a little more detail that that.
dubyakay@lemmy.ca · 56 pts · 163d
Over a hundred thousand years the ocean of distrust has eroded the cliffs of trust in a non-insignificant manner.
AmosBurton_ThatGuy@lemmy.ca · -42 pts · 163d
Keep the dumbass reddit style "jokes" to reddit. Either answer the question or stfu. You're not funny and your lame attempt at a "joke" is just annoying.
justlemmyin@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 163d
You know what I am going to do it even harder dot gif
explodicle@sh.itjust.works · 15 pts · 163d
There shall be no mirth in this place!
BiteSizedZeitGeist@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 162d
It's not mirthful, it's dreary and tedious.
Nelots@piefed.zip · 8 pts · 163d
And yet their "unfunny lame attempt at a joke" got 90+ upvotes, so clearly some people thought it was funny.
chemical_cutthroat@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 163d
I think your butt plug has gone sour. Time to change it.
1984@lemmy.today · 4 pts · 162d
So mean for no reason.
kieron115@startrek.website · 4 pts · 162d
I don't see anything in the rules that says you can't make a joke in the comments. The only thing that comes close is rule 7, and even that allows comments. Maybe you should go back to reddit?
BiteSizedZeitGeist@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 162d
If you're bringing the rules into this conversation, you're misunderstanding the conversation
kieron115@startrek.website · 2 pts · 162d
from what i undertand, everyone else is making jokes and enjoying them while one person has to be a debbie downer
BiteSizedZeitGeist@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 161d
Hah, sure, I'll cop to that, you're the downer for bringing up the rules lol
Addv4@lemmy.world · 95 pts · 163d
Plenty of things, but the most obvious being the two separate instances they had issues with renewing their certs.
chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world · 73 pts · 163d
It's more than that. Broken updates. Failed hardware ventures. The project has been shambling along for a long time.
nymnympseudonym@piefed.social · 53 pts · 163d
and the certs lapsed again after volunteers built tooling to Prevent That
but somebody never set up the cron job to run it
MalReynolds@slrpnk.net · 21 pts · 163d
Well that's confidence inspiring.
vaionko@sopuli.xyz · 25 pts · 163d
Don't forget their package manageer DDoSing the AUR multiple times
harmbugler@piefed.social · 8 pts · 163d
You seem to have misspelled package mangler
chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 163d
Oh yeah. Forgot about that one.
njordomir@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 162d
I liked Manjaro, they had a nice theme, it was in the direction of Arch, but still had some guardrails for the noobish.
Then my system kept breaking, then they screwed up their certs. If they want to fork it and go forward with a different focus/ideology, that's fine by me.
victorz@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 163d
Could you please explain why not renewing their certs is such a serious betrayal? Like, if they fixed it, isn't that okay? And even if it happened again, and they fixed it again, isn't it human to err? Or why is it such a harsh offense?
Serious question, I don't know the consequences of not renewing these certs. š
Addv4@lemmy.world · 38 pts · 163d
It's the tls certificate that proves your website is legit. Without which, you can potentially be a malicious actor that can pose as the website, and when you download the iso, you could unknowingly download something malicious. It's pretty hard to forget certificate renewal (most of the time there are plenty of reminders sent and warnings given), so the fact that it happened twice was very impressively bad.
dubyakay@lemmy.ca · 20 pts · 163d
Oh boy. Seems to be the opposite in real life. Especially when it comes to managing stored cert of businesses partners. It has gotten somewhat better now of course, but three years ago most of my company's sev1 production issues were due to lapsing or unscheduled cert changes.
arsCynic@piefed.social · 12 pts · 163d
Can confirm it happens often here too indeed.
underisk@lemmy.ml · 9 pts · 163d
it's the main way for software to verify the identity of a source. without it you let nefarious actors do something like hijack a DNS server and impersonate your servers to your users, which is a pretty big problem if you're running a software distribution network! it is literally a breach of trust and massive security vulnerability. and it probably broke a ton of shit when software that uses the certificate found an expired one and suddenly (and correctly) refused to work.
rhubarbe@tarte.nuage-libre.fr · 5 pts · 163d
People are very harsh with Manjaro. There's more than just a list of objective facts unfortunately. I suppose there were some bruised egos at some point.
The certs issue wasn't a big deal, it didn't change anything for me as a user. It just paints a bad image.
daggermoon@piefed.world · 6 pts · 163d
As a former Manjaro user, it has some issues. It has weird bugs that aren't present in any other Arch-based distro. Pamac ddosing the AUR is pretty bad as well. I'm thankful I used it as long as I did though. It got me hooked on Arch based distros. Everything else feels antiquated now. Actually, Void Linux is kinda cool
kuhli@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 162d
Its not just the fact that certs expired, it's them advising people to bypass warnings or change their system time and how many times they've had the issue.
rhubarbe@tarte.nuage-libre.fr · 1 pts · 162d
I don't recall anything related to accepting warnings or changing system time but I may have missed it.
kuhli@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 162d
https://web.archive.org/web/20150409095421/https://manjaro.github.io/expired_SSL_certificate/
exu@feditown.com · 13 pts · 163d
I think it's actually 3 now. IIRC they did it again last year
Zanshi@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 162d
RipLemmDotEE@lemmy.today · 18 pts · 163d
Failing to renew TLS certificates on time multiple times is enough to never touch it again, but there's also been a lot of other problems with Manjaro.
When I used Manjaro, it never made it more than 6 weeks before something would catastrophically break and I'd have to roll back using snapshots.
Buddahriffic@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 163d
The manifesto mentions this and that tooling had been made by volunteers but leadership ignored or rejected it (wasn't clear which). So it seems that they are firing their leadership for the same reasons you want to stay away, which is a good sign, at least. Like promising that they are willing to mutiny to stop the enshitification.
brucethemoose@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 163d
+1
rabber@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 163d
Yeah the last time I tried manjaro years ago it kept breaking but I thought that was just the linux experience at the time haha
spez@sh.itjust.works · 101 pts · 163d
Good for them! A second TLS problem after what happened last time is unacceptable. I hope the 'mutiny' succeeds.
somehacker@lemmy.world · 48 pts · 163d
Pretty sure this wasnāt the second
Eldritch@piefed.world · 18 pts · 163d
And even that was only the most visible yet surface level one of their problems.
UnfortunateShort@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 163d
It wasn't.
arsCynic@piefed.social · 66 pts · 163d
Just fork already. EndeavourOS exists, an awesome distro, so this threat is a triviality.
Samskara@sh.itjust.works · 14 pts · 163d
If I were a Manjaro dev, I would just jump ship to EndeavourOS, Cachy, or Garuda.
CatLikeLemming@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 162d
Is Garuda a serious distro? Last I heard it was basically a few people's hobby project. Not to say one shouldn't use it, but I don't know if it's on par with EOS and Cachy.
Samskara@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 159d
All community distros are someoneās hobby.
Garuda has a very different focus than Cachy. Both are some extras on top of Arch.
redsand@infosec.pub · 6 pts · 163d
No. Let Manjaro die. It has no reason to exist in any form. Go contribute to something useful.
rhubarbe@tarte.nuage-libre.fr · 2 pts · 163d
Except that I want the same release cycle as Manjaro. The only equivalent I have found so far seems to be OpenSuse Slowroll, in beta for the past 2 years.
redsand@infosec.pub · 5 pts · 163d
Picking Manjaro for stability š¤£ that's a new one.
rhubarbe@tarte.nuage-libre.fr · 3 pts · 163d
I've never regretted it for the past 7 years on my daily drivers. That's why I don't get the constant criticism around this distribution.
redsand@infosec.pub · 0 pts · 163d
Philip can't operate letsencrypt. And he's kinda just a shitty neckbeard. Try debian.
rhubarbe@tarte.nuage-libre.fr · 4 pts · 163d
I love Debian. Debian is king, Debian is life! However on my desktop I prefer a semi-rolling release distribution.
redsand@infosec.pub · 0 pts · 163d
If you have 8+ cores there's always Gentoo š
rhubarbe@tarte.nuage-libre.fr · 2 pts · 163d
I'm too old for that. I'm running a fairly recent laptop - 4 years old. It's not a beast but largely enough for my usage. Not enough for Gentoo though!
atomicStan@programming.dev · 1 pts · 163d
If I may, would you seriously consider switching to openSUSE Slowroll if Manjaro's situation doesn't improve? Or, are there reasons beyond its beta status that hold you back?
rhubarbe@tarte.nuage-libre.fr · 2 pts · 163d
I used to hop distributions in my youth, between 2000 and 2019. I have settled on Manjaro and never looked back.
As of today, my desktop works perfectly and I have not seen any stability issues.
I am considering testing openSUSE Slowroll in the coming months but not on my main computer. What's holding me back is that I can't see any momentum behind Slowroll. I have no clue if the solution will be supported for a long period. I'd like to have more guarantees than what is on openSUSE website.
atomicStan@programming.dev · 2 pts · 162d
Great answer. Thank you!
I hope openSUSE will eventually get around and enjoy some much deserved momentum. I feel it isn't quite reaching its full potential as a project, because it (somehow) fails to attract a bigger audience. Don't get me wrong, it's definitely doing well and it holds its own admirably. But, (going off of ProtonDB's data) where Fedora (together with its derivatives) managed to effectively increase its market share by at least 400%, openSUSE^[It's the green colored bar found right under Manjaro] -despite Tumbleweed making more sense for gaming- was only able to keep what it had...
rhubarbe@tarte.nuage-libre.fr · 2 pts · 162d
I don't think openSUSE markets itself properly. I can't believe EU_OS picked Fedora instead. That makes 0 sense.
atomicStan@programming.dev · 2 pts · 162d
I (mostly) agree. I believe that
bootcmight have played a role in EU_OS' decision to pick Fedora over openSUSE. Back then, it wasn't possible to use it outside of Fedora's ecosystem. But Bootcrew has since released bootc images for other distros; including openSUSE. So hopefully they will reconsider it.mlg@lemmy.world · 55 pts · 163d
The fact that CachyOS more or less successfully replaced Manjaro's purpose I guess is evidence of Manjaro's issues.
I forgot but I think Bazzite had similar complaints (due to its use of silverblue) in which case it was just more straightforward to use Fedora or OpenSUSE if you don't want to work with the read only root system.
Downstream distros need to bring additional value to the table to be worth using, otherwise there's really no need if you can make a package group that accomplishes the same thing in one go.
Burninator05@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 163d
I had been using Pop-os for about a year but wasn't completely happy with it. A friend suggested Bazzite and, to me, it was a lot better in some ways and worse in others. I've since switched to Fedora and don't really have any complaints. I don't plan on switching again baring something I don't see coming.
end_stage_ligma@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 162d
Is Kalpa still kickin?
org@lemmy.org · 40 pts · 163d
Just quit and move to CatchyOS
Joelk111@lemmy.world · 29 pts · 163d
Distros? Gotta catch them all.
ChilledPeppers@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 6 pts · 163d
Damn what a catchy name snaps fingers
Scotty_Trees@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 162d
I don't game on my laptop, so the benefits of CachyOS over my EndeavourOS are moot.
kayohtie@pawb.social · 1 pts · 161d
I had to check boxes for gaming packages specifically to get installed. It's an extremely fast Arch fork first and foremost, with gaming features second.
I thought it'd be gaming first too but it was clear during install that's more of an "oh also".
Scotty_Trees@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 161d
yeah, but me switching from EndeavourOS to CachyOS, what tangible benefits am I realistically going to gain? if all I do is use Firefox and play music/movies? ya know?
brucethemoose@lemmy.world · 38 pts · 163d
As others suggest, why stay attached to Manjaro at all? Instead of forking, what about expending that energy on a rising distro without such reputational damage?
CachyOS is very close āin spiritā if they want to develop modified/custom packages, but there are plenty Arch downstream distros with less toxic communities.
They could even fork some other project and make the changes they like. Itād be a saner base than Manjaro at this point.
JackbyDev@programming.dev · 11 pts · 162d
EndeavorOS too, which is even closer to "vanilla" Arch than CachyOS.
michaelmrose@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 162d
You are assuming that the cachy devs want the help of folks who have not demonstrated competence in their own project or want to do stuff how manjaro does
Samskara@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 162d
Social status alone is a reason to try and keep it alive. You might have had an influential and powerful role as a Manjaro forum mod, package maintainer, server admin, etc. Switching to a different distro means you will have to start at zero and work your way up.
1984@lemmy.today · 34 pts · 163d
These weasels never care about the actual thing that is being built, its just a way to make money for them.
Hope they kick that Philip guy out and get back to making this a passion project.
The core members with passion for the actual thing should restart under a new name.
Adderbox76@lemmy.ca · 31 pts · 163d
I started using Manjaro long before all this crap started going down, and I've been holding on hoping this all gets sorted because I hate distto hopping.
But sadly I don't think its going to happen. I've got a new PSU coming to fix a burnt out one that has left my desktop turned off and unupdated for two months. Might be time for an install of something new rather than updating afterwards.
taiyang@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 163d
It's indeed the time. I found Cachy was a good pivot, similar feel but seems to work better overall. Manjaro is still based on Arch after all, technically.
RipLemmDotEE@lemmy.today · 9 pts · 163d
I also started with Manjaro, but it's broken mess. I moved to Garuda and it has been completely solid and stable for over a year.
Samskara@sh.itjust.works · 9 pts · 163d
Garuda is pretty great if you want a nice experience out of the box. Can recommend.
alsimoneau@lemmy.ca · 7 pts · 163d
I moved to endeavour. With the same de it feels very similar.
sem@piefed.blahaj.zone · 25 pts · 163d
sem@piefed.blahaj.zone · 18 pts · 163d
ChunkMcHorkle@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 163d
Thank you for writing this up, as someone not familiar with what's going on over there I really appreciate you taking the time.
sem@piefed.blahaj.zone · 5 pts · 163d
Thanks, but I didn't write anything -- I just copy pasted the linked article -- maybe it is not what the website would want, but I much prefer reading the article in the comments vs having to click the link to read the article.
Raises an interesting philosophical and operational point about how content online should be paid for.
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 163d
redsand@infosec.pub · -1 pts · 163d
Just let it die. So much time and energy wasted
texture@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 163d
gaurda is what manjaro should have been. its perfect for noobs with snapper in grub ootb.
i also like envdeavor anc cachy too
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 163d
Garuda and EndeavourOS btw.
MehBlah@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 162d
They need to cast out the person who can't renew the ssl certificate.
purplemonkeymad@programming.dev · 6 pts · 161d
Who renews certificates these days? You automate that now, especially with 47 day certs coming.
Tablaste@linux.community · 7 pts · 161d
That's the level of incompetency that needs to be booted
MehBlah@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 161d
My renewals have been running in a crontab for five years without any hiccups. The fact they can't do that is simply lazy.
IndustryStandard@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 161d
Riot Games recently screwed it and downed LoL for a while
BigTrout75@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 163d
Huh, that's too bad. I used it for years to get comfortable with an rolling release arch distro. I thought it was good, but it would break from time to time. Thankfully, Arch is easy to install and maintain these days.
filister@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 163d
Manjaro was quite messy last time I tried it a couple of years ago.
cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca · 15 pts · 163d
Switching distros was not on my agenda. š
Adderbox76@lemmy.ca · 30 pts · 163d
Me neither. The more I dwell on it, the grumpier I'm getting. Distro hopping is a young man's sport. I've got work to do.
Thankfully, I learned the hard way a long time ago that my files are almost entirely on a secondary drive and my home folders are all simply symlinks to folders there, so I won't lose any data since that drive won't be wiped. But it's just such a pain in the butt to set up everything the way I like it.
FG_3479@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 163d
Gnome has a Save Desktop app which backs up your desktop config, list of Flatpak apps, and the folders you choose. I use Bazzite but I'm not locked in.
Adderbox76@lemmy.ca · 22 pts · 163d
That would require that I use Gnome. Which would be worse than reinstalling everything.
Qwel@sopuli.xyz · 8 pts · 162d
It would not https://vikdevelop.github.io/SaveDesktop/
mitrosus@discuss.tchncs.de · 2 pts · 162d
Just what I needed for my KDE. Thank you.
forestbeasts@pawb.social · 5 pts · 162d
Psst, you can keep your /home. Copy /home/username to a new partition before the install (just the username folder in the root of the new partition), do the install, and point it at your new partition as /home. Bam, it's your new home.
Or you could copy out/copy back.
You'll need to reinstall your apps, but you won't need to redo all your settings for them.
-- Frost
ranzispa@mander.xyz · 5 pts · 163d
I like to have a separate partition for /home Whatever happens I can wipe root safely and install something else.
Adderbox76@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 163d
I used to bother doing all of that too. I just found symlinking achieved the same results without a bunch of manually configuring of mount points.
mosspiglet@discuss.online · 1 pts · 163d
I'm starting to regret not having a separate home partition.
cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca · 0 pts · 162d
Ya I used to do this but didn't for this install. I think I'm just going to make a new partition or slap in another disk for the OS and my out the manjaro disk as my home and blow away the rest of the OS.
mosspiglet@discuss.online · 3 pts · 163d
I've been on Manjaro for years, but have been considering switching to Endeavour or CachyOS (or maybe vanilla Arch, but I'm lazy). Looks like it may be time to ditch Manjaro.
spicehoarder@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 162d
EOS plus Cachy Kernel is what I recommend.
spicehoarder@lemmy.zip · -1 pts · 162d
You had plenty of time tbh. As a former Manjaro user myself.
cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 162d
Funny how you assume how much time is enough when you have no idea who I am and what I have going on lol
spicehoarder@lemmy.zip · 0 pts · 162d
Manjaro has been on a decline for over 3 years at this point. But no, you're right, how dare I assume you ever had time to use your computer.
Shanmugha@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 163d
Did I just find next distro to try? :) Kudos to them anyway (yay, that's the kind of news I want to hear)
Tortellinius@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 162d
Doesn't look like it. But the project will now go to the to-be-founded non-profit association.
Philm actually replied around the time of your comment, sharing his disdain that this plan was set in motion, while as company owner he has no one to talk to legally, since the association has not been founded yet. He's supportive of the move, and technically he's right. The association should've already been founded, to be fair.
I hope this means Manjaro will thrive!Ā
Samskara@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 162d
Manjaro will become even less well maintained because the people working on it will spend their time managing this crisis instead of doing productive work on the distro.
raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 162d
as an outsider, reading the forum discussion, the split is not the crisis, the crisis is already ongoing, and the split from the company is actually a step towards a good solution. Also, the discussion tone seems to be very constructive.
BlackLaZoR@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 163d
Looks like a decent plan. I'll have no problem with supporting non-profit
Kaput@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 162d
awh comon I just installed it for the first time, what's wrong with Manjaro?
kuhli@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 17 pts · 162d
I wouldn't necessarily say it's bad, but I don't use it because:
megopie@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 11 pts · 162d
Itās not so much that the distro is bad, but the leadership of the project, according to a lot of the community working on it, is very unresponsive, bad at administration, doesnāt make decisions that need to be made in a timely manner and not really doing their job. The community basically wants to cut them out and move on.
rumba@lemmy.zip · 10 pts · 162d
Don't worry, it's just the open-source version of the market correcting. There's no stock, no venture capital. If the group putting in time and effort to help maintain something doesn't like how the project is being run, they take a copy and start over with a new name. It's happened countless times on OS, it'll happen countless more. Often, the existing leadership is burned out, some of the more active members move on, and those left through attrition lack the skills to keep it going. The forks generally move forward faster and cleaner with more active people. Other than needing to change distros, it's pretty much a win.
DacoTaco@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 162d
I dont know about manjaro, but manjaro for arm is dead in the water and hasnt updated its packages from upstream (arch linux arm) in ages.
I assume regular manjaro has similar issues? Dont know though, and im guessing
nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 8 pts · 163d
The only reason I went with manjaro this last time is because I had my arch Linux install adventure already and I just wanted my computer to work. is there an install script that just works now?
Ricaz@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 26 pts · 163d
There is archinstall which does everything for you. If you don't wanna do anything yourself though, just check out CachyOS or EndeavourOS
BremboTheFourth@piefed.ca · 11 pts · 163d
I just switched from Bazzite to Cachy today. For some reason my disk space got... clogged, with Bazzite? Filelight was no help so I backed everything up, wiped the disk, installed Cachy, replaced my files, and the disk went from being nearly full to only using 600GB. Still not sure what happened there.
Cachy, meanwhile, has asked me to update 4 times in the 4 hours I've been using it. Which is fine, I get that Arch is rolling release, but now on the 4th update it keep failing for some reason. Also I can't have my headphones and speakers plugged in at the same time or my speakers don't work.
Sigh. All this KDE stuff is nice and flashy, and my games have worked with both Bazzite and Cachy, so I appreciate that, but damn is it tough for me to make a Linux recommendation to anyone else that isn't just "use Mint, it's stable." Anything more in depth turns into a mini essay (see above!)
texture@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 163d
you dont need to update every time an update is available.
just update once every couple weeks
BremboTheFourth@piefed.ca · 3 pts · 163d
I know, I just like to see the "up to date" symbol in the toolbar, especially on a fresh install. Like I said, I get that it's rolling release; the problem isn't the frequency of updates, it's that this most recent update keeps failing when I try to install it.
texture@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 163d
maybe try refreshing the keyrings first.
sudo pacman -Sy archlinux-keyring
Ricaz@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 163d
I just have a small counter on my Polybar checking how many packages can be updated. Once it reaches a few hundred, I upgrade.
stealth_cookies@lemmy.ca · 8 pts · 163d
Running an Arch based distro comes with a commitment to learning "the Arch way". You need to be willing to look at the terminal output of pacman and see what the errors mean. Being close to bleeding edge means that on occasion something will fail or end up in a state that you need to resolve. Its usually easy, but you need to pay attention to what pacman is telling you. If that isn't something someone is interested in there are plenty of other excellent distros out there that will meet their needs.
Grail@multiverse.soulism.net · 2 pts · 163d
You probably had snapper making tons of backups. You can open up btrfs assistant and delete some old snapper backups to make room.
Maiq@piefed.social · 3 pts · 163d
Set up the snapper-timeline.timer and set snapshots to only snap on update/remove of packages with snap-pac. Also from the arch wiki,
Samskara@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 162d
Is there a distro that sets this up well by default?
Maiq@piefed.social · 2 pts · 162d
Garuda Linux -> https://garudalinux.org/
Just checked the fstab on my tablet and they have subvolumes for root, home, srv, cache, log and tmp. I also have snap-pac installed and not sure if it's installed by default but I assume it is. Their KDE is awesome! Very polished. They have really taken the time to make arch easy.
They have all sorts of aliases in the .bashrc that are there to make transitioning to arch a little less daunting to the average user. Things like reflector to stay current with mirrorlists.
The have warnings when something is wrong during updates with instructions how to fix, taking care of conflicts during updates, fixing pacman lock,
garuda-update remote fixto restore pacman to their default's. Chaotic AUR might be installed by default, not sure it's been a long while since I installed. Great setup assistant, and installer. btrfs-assistant and eza setup. Might want to install and set up meld to handle pacdiff in the .bashrcalias pacdiff="sudo -H DIFFPROG=meld pacdiff"If you want easyarch Garuda is it. If you want a real arch experience without having to go through the manual install process, endeavour or archinstall is the way to go. You might have to setup btrfs and snapper the way you want it manually though. Im not sure about endeavour as I haven't used it in a while. It's pretty easy to do though.
nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 163d
du -sh * | sort -h
That's how I usually try to figure it out
Ricaz@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 163d
The tool
gduis very nice for finding space culprits.Never used Bazzite, but isn't it heavy on packaged apps with snap or flatpak? Inherently space inefficient (and I despise them both passionately).
Don't update all the time. I update every couple of days like a maniac, but once every few weeks is fine too.
There's a distro for every level of "I want to do it myself" vs "I want everything to be made ready for me".
Qwel@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 162d
It's flatpak. Not snap, by god, not snap.
It's inefficient, but he is stating that he is now using "only 600GB", so I would guess it shouldn't be that notable to someone who thinks 600GB is not much.
I used to dislike it, but consider that Flatpak is allowing a lot of small distros to exist outside of Debian/RHEL/Arch. Void, Chimera, AdƩlie or Guix (insert yours here) "only" have to implement a desktop environment and Flatpak to be usable. It's not ideal and it kind of goes against the point of those distros, but they definitely couldn't package Flathub's 3300 apps themselves. Especially the proprietary ones that only provide a .deb and .rpm.
Also the sandboxing is nice when installing proprietary stuff. I don't want Microsoft Team drooling all over my stuff.
BremboTheFourth@piefed.ca · 1 pts · 159d
Oh, I didn't realize how unclear that was. The disk is a 2TB NVME SSD. I searched and searched, even booted into Mint on another disk and tried to search from there, and could only find a few hundred GB worth of files (probably about 600GB if I had to guess, lol). I genuinely have no idea what could have been taking up nearly 1.4TB of space, so that's all I meant when I said "only."
My suspicion is that something was going wrong whenever I deleted anything. Maybe for some reason the data just weren't going anywhere, even though the trash was empty and they were no longer showing up in their old locations. Hence the term "clogged." No similar issues with Cachy just yet, though.
Qwel@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 159d
So, yeah, flatpak is horribly inneficient on disk usage and can easily take 60GB if you are a bit generous on app installs. 60GB is, notably, less than 1.4TB
Out of curiosity, how did you search for what was using up the space? Did you try apps like baobab or filelight? One of them is usually preinstalled and they have not failed me yet (except when hard-linking or copy-on-write is involved, but that shouldn't show up on the global disk usage percentage)
orlyowl@piefed.ca · 17 pts · 163d
EndeavourOS is very close to being vanilla arch with sane defaults. I run it on multiple machines and it's rock solid.
upbeatdingo@piefed.world · 5 pts · 163d
Iāve used Archinstall without issue a couple times now. I get why it might not fit every use case or seem as intuitive to others as it does to me but Iāve enjoyed using it.
MCHEVA4EVA@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 163d
I tried to use Archinstall but I was installing on a partition on a secondary drive and I couldn't get it to go in the right place so I just did it the long way. It's really not that hard but I can see how it's a bit daunting if you've never done it before. Archinstall seems like it would be good if you where installing it as the main os.
dubyakay@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 163d
ArchInstall seems to offer or install stuff that may be confusing for a new user though, such as installing the OS on LVM, enabling zram, zero swap allocated, etc
If I bothered to do it all over again, I'd likely go with manual install instead of ArchInstall.
nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 163d
yeah something like this is what I'm talking about. when I set up my laptop I followed a Reddit post by someone who had the same model. it wasn't difficult by any means but it took a while to get everything configured.
Manjaro comes with a shitload of stuff that I don't need and I end up ripping out a lot of it and disabling services
Jesus_666@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 163d
In addition to what has been mentioned already, Garuda is an Arch derivative where convenience is the whole point. No install scripts, just your usual live ISO with a Calamares installer plus a bunch of convenience utilities once you're set up.
It's not exactly lightweight by default but it does make for a very comfortable Arch experience.
Pricklesthemagicfish@reddthat.com · 4 pts · 163d
Garuda was actually my first distro. Smooth as butter lol I still remember thinking why are there 3 different version.
FireWire400@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 162d
Already thought about migrating to EndeavorOS. I hope they can manage to keep the whole thing going.
skozzii@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 162d
I made that switch a year ago and it has been great, manjaro cause me alot of little issues I dint realize we're manjaro specific.
x0x7@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 162d
This is why I'm going to argue for pure Arch or Artix. Ultimately, what a lot of these distros bring to the table is artwork. But they bite off a lot more than artwork when doing so. And in time they can start to suck at that administration.
It's not very hard to set up your system with a vanilla DE and adjust it into something good. You don't need to get fancy. And to the extent someone else's art work can be good and accelerate getting to a nice system, there are other ways to distribute that.
You should want your distro to be 95% administration and 5% art because in the long run that's whats going to keep your system stable and avoid future headaches. But some artists are overly ambitious and envision creating an entire version of an operating system, including the parts they aren't passionate about. And some people buy in on this premise and install these projects. ...instead of just releasing dot files.
For it to go well requires that both the leadership and the contributors are passionate about all of the parts and passionate about them forever. Not very likely. If you want a distro that is administered well, get a distro where administration is all they do, and then get your artwork as a separate selection.
Now you can get your art from artists who put 95% of their effort into art. And your package stability by people who put 95% of their effort into package stability.
Everyone has romantic feelings toward a system that is integrated. But what they should realize is that integrated and modular are opposites. And modular is what they should want, with effective roll separation.
If they fork Majaro that is good. If when they fork it they scope down to just distribute a dot file set, and maybe create their own easy installer for Arch that isn't a seperate whole distro, that is better.
Kazel@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 7 pts · 163d
Burn it down
fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 163d
Honestly good on them. I hope they succeed and bring the project back to life.
5715@feddit.org · 6 pts · 163d
What would happen if Kent Overstreet and Philip MĆ¼ller met?
db2@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 163d
Kent has a digital girlfriend bro, have some respect.
asudox@lemmy.asudox.dev · 4 pts · 163d
he's at the pinnacle of AGI invention
Reddfugee42@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 163d
But at least they lost all that weight. Good for them.
goatinspace@feddit.org · 4 pts · 163d
ZombieCyborgFromOuterSpace@piefed.ca · 4 pts · 163d
So.... Open Manjaro?
dogs0n@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 163d
Manjourno
ZombieCyborgFromOuterSpace@piefed.ca · 6 pts · 163d
Samskara@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 162d
Mandrake is a name that has freed up.
ZombieCyborgFromOuterSpace@piefed.ca · 2 pts · 161d
Ooooh!!!
_stranger_@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 163d
Personjaro
ZombieCyborgFromOuterSpace@piefed.ca · 5 pts · 163d
Manjaro?
No. Womanjaro.
No...
Theyjaro
_stranger_@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 163d
WEJARO!
ZombieCyborgFromOuterSpace@piefed.ca · 3 pts · 162d
Now we're circling back to Ubuntu, which means "together".
jogai_san@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 162d
Manjarno
signup@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 162d
its a garbage distro
PrettyFlyForAFatGuy@feddit.uk · 1 pts · 161d
I've been using it for years, very few problems
sexy_peach@feddit.org · 3 pts · 162d
I moved back to a debian based distro and it's basically the same. Doesn't really matter which one you use
KneeTitts@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 162d
LMDE is pretty good, and I have a reasonable amount of trust in the Mint team to keep it on track
awake@lemmy.wtf · 2 pts · 161d
I havenāt used Arch for quite a while but doesnāt it come with an install script now which makes the installation more automated? That should enable a lot more people to install Arch instead of e.g. Manjaro I suppose. Iām not an expert on Manjaro but are there any meaningful positives to pick Manjaro over Arch?
Satomune@lemmy.world · -7 pts · 163d