Convincing people your interpretation of reality exists is literally all that politics is.
What? No. No, no, you naive fool... many politicians, if not most, don't believe most of what they're selling, and don't give a flying fuck about it.
They'll sell whatever line the party they're working for wants them to sell, and they'd just as happily sell the opposition party's line if it paid better and they could switch without being called a turncoat.
Also, it's not about convincing people about specific beliefs; most people are mostly already convinced of their worldviews and if they change them it won't be because of some politician. It's about convincing them, despite all evidence to the contrary, that the politician shares those beliefs, and will impose them on people who don't if they vote for them.
despite being correct, science is also an interpretation of reality.
Again, no. Science (except for mathematics, but that's it's own thing) doesn't and shouldn't ever claim to be correct.
It's the most accurate approximation we have so far of how nature works, but it's constantly trying to achieve better approximations, and will happily throw away the old ones when it finds a better one.
It also should always make very clear that it's an approximation or a description, not an interpretation. Science should always be objective, never subjective, and interpretations are by definition subjective.
I would be happy if I didn't have to share a universe with realists, but the thing about realists is, they're not happy to let that happen. They think there's only one universe. They psychologically abuse our kind to try to get us back to their reality.
I have a friend named Sonic who's an introject. He appeared in someone else's head one day, having been assembled from thoughts about video games and comic books. He tried to get help from a psychologist with his mental health. Instead of helping him, she told him he doesn't exist and tried to erase him. She messed him up so bad, he tried to commit suicide, tried to destroy the body he lives in and everyone else who lives in it, just to prove he could have an effect on the world, that he exists.
He's doing a lot better now that he's surrounded by antirealists and he isn't seeing that psychologist anymore.
I want to be very clear here, it was my schizo meltdown, not Grail's. And more properly, it was Sonic's meltdown, and it probably ties into out dissociative symptoms more than whatever schizo-spectrum whatever we have going on.
TIL the multiverse instance has someone other than Grail. But, I wouldn't be surprised if it's perfectly in line with yall's belief that you all are actually personalities of one dude, who might not even exist anyway.
Cool cool cool so the climate is pretty fucked and now the way people have lived for millennia will cease to be possible. But at least we were open minded about delusion.
They also have to continually convince politicians and other politically minded people to give them money, and risk having it taken away if their results are politically inconvenient.
Whether climate change is occurring, what damage it's doing and what's causing it are scientific questions. How to address it is a set of political questions: How do we get humanity to emit less greenhouse gases? How do we get countries on the same page? How do we make sure that the effects of these changes don't increase global inequality?
The scientific questions have been answered very well, and are continuing to be answered in more detail all the time.
The response to the political questions has been an abject failure so far.
I once saw him (in person) give a drunken, sloppy, rambling speech to a bunch of high schoolers back in 1999. Calling him a clown is an insult to clowns.
That's why you have to occasionally stick your arse in the air on a sunny day. Do it near a school or local park. You'll be fine, if anyone asks tell them JFK said to.
Intestinal flora is a common phrase in English, too. Or "gut flora". It's one of those old 19th century scientific phrases which has stuck around.
Like this, err, gentleman (who apparently wants to drag us back to that past) we used to believe gut bacteria to be plant-based. Science caught up, but the term has had sticking power. It seems to be a favorite of marketers of probiotic supplements.
"Microbiota" or just the straightforward "gut bacteria" would be more accurate and modern. But of course, everyone except for this guy already knows that.
Sometimes I have this weird theory that RFK Jr is really like a Dr. Zoidberg type alien in a skin suit. He just kind of guesses at how human anatomy works because he isn't human himself and isn't professional enough to get a real education on the subject.
It’s hard to say what’s more farfetched, that he is a Zoidbergian alien, or that The Kennedys were just raised that far from any level of anything resembling actual human reality?
Considering wacky theories have a tendency to contradict each other (and itself) it would be far more impressive if his wacky theories weren't contradictory.
One with frontotemporal dementia that has rapidly shrinking brain, the other one with half a brain eaten by the worm... in what fucking timeline do we live... feels like Rick and Morty episode... fuck. me.
" it is unequivocal that exposure to glyphosate produces important alterations in the structure and function of the nervous system of humans, rodents, fish, and invertebrates."
Maybe at some point, all the “gluten free” products will switch to “glyphosate free”. Until then, I’ve been buying imported flour from Italy, where its use is significantly more regulated than here in the US, although not entirely banned.
Of course science is political. Knowledge is power and all power systems are political.
But ignoring philosophy, Science is a charity. By in large they must beg for their money. You don't suppose that the people providing the money have any influence?
And I'm not talking about junk science, biased studies, or even fraud. A perfectly run study may still be political simply because it was chosen for funding over something else.
I remember that when Roundup first came out, glyphosate was being held up as a brilliant example of herbicide design since it inhibits a vital metabolic pathway in plants that animals don't have. They even claimed that the surfactants in Roundup were more harmful than the glyphosate itself. I guess that claim didn't hold up too well.
Real red blooded manly Americans only eat the rawest red meat directly from the carcas and have no need to worry about celiac disease like some girly communist liberal soy boy would.
Same! If it’s an errant argument against glyphosate, I guess I’ll take it? Or is it a stance that celiac is no big deal and we should put more glyphosate in our food?
As if denying millions of Americans access to proper healthcare wasn't enough, they appointed an anti-science, anti-vaxx idiot as if to make sure even more harm would be inflicted on them.
You know, medicine is not an exact science, but we are learning all the time. Why, just fifty years ago, they thought a disease like your daughter’s was caused by demonic possession or witchcraft. But nowadays we know that Isabelle is suffering from an imbalance of bodily humors, perhaps caused by a toad or a small dwarf living in her stomach.
Who would've predicted modern toxic bro culture leading to the resurfacing of miasma theory? But at this point I wouldn't be surprised to hear him start talking about imbalances of black bile and phlegm.
What I think he's trying to say is that Glyphosate affects the shikimate pathway, which is a biological pathway in plants. This doesn't exist in human cells, but it does exist in our gut microbiota.
We also know now that Glyphosate is a glycine analogue and can displace glycine anywhere in protein synthesis, with unknown effects. It's also likely an endocrine disrupter.
It's found in plants and bacteria so it's not actually exclusively plants which is why in most countries you're not allowed to use it as a weed killer.
You're saying a lot here and I'm sure it's valid and interesting but let's make this easy:
If it's not food, it shouldn't go in the food supply unless the benefits to consumers outweigh costs.
But you're talking about US policy, so the actual metric is that it shouldn't go in the food supply unless the benefits to corporations outweigh the costs.
Ofc the digestive flora is plants. Man the level of stupidity. Just as dumb as the orange dumbass talking about asylum seekers being release from mental asylums... What a time to be alive.
So does it go after organic tissue or not, because last time I checked I'm pretty certain that plants are organic. No one has plants in their stomach either. What a prat.
celiacs would be easily tested with gluten blood test, or a intestinal biopsy if symptoms are present. did she test for those? i was tested for it, eventhough my demographic is not susceptible to it, its not a routine test.
As someone with violent celiacs disease, i can appreciate the allure of something that could cure or alleviate a genuine gluten allergy. It would be absolutely amazing if it were to ever happen.
But anything coming out of this guy’s mouth is poison, and should be treated as such.
This isnt related solely to Glyphosate, but in Germany Parkinson is being recognised as a "condition caused by working co editions" for farmers and Thier exposure to herbicides (etc.) in general
Sorry i can't keep track of every single retard with a microphone in the US, who is this guy, how did he afford a nice suit, and in what situation is he saying this? ( Im not going to ask what his alma mater is because whatever he got taught in the past it has nothing to do with what he is saying)
One of the kennedys that became republican because he had a drug filled, worm filled life. the heroin/carcass eating likely permanantly damaged his brain. and its the only kennedy that dint have a severe medical condition, or die from a horrible event.
I find it funny how everything with him starts out like. Oh okay yeah that is concerning. Maybe we should look into it. Followed by WTF is this guy smoking and where can I get some?
I'm just here to point out that your stomach microbiome consists of bacteria and fungi, which are not plants. There's also direct evidence glyphosate causes several different types of cancer in animals, which is pretty harmful to animals. Also all life is made up of organic tissue, not just animals.
In the spirit of the comment we’re replying to - what direct evidence is there? I’ve mostly seen studies providing dubious or weak links between realistic dosages of Glyphosate and any animal harm. I legitimately want to learn more if I’m mistaken.
Plants are still "organic tissue", the microbiome is mostly in the gut, not the stomach (the stomach is full of acid) and it does NOT consist of plants but of bacteria.
I believe what he was trying to get at is that the shikimate pathway that glyphosate inhibits is also used in the bacteria and fungi that make up the gut microbiome.
Not sure what his overall point was supposed to be (or whether he had one) but that's the "microbiome is plants" part.
We are increasingly finding out that gut biome affects mood because the majority of serotonin and dopamine are produced in the gut. While I have to see any conclusive research, I would not be the least surprised to see a direct link between glycophosphate and depression discovered in the future.
Science itself is not political, this is not a science meme, and having looked at your post history I won't be missing anything by not seeing you again.
Assuming you're a student, have you ever tried to write up a lab report from multiple arguments using the same experiment? It's a fun exercise in the potential for politics in science because it shows how you can capture and use the same data to argue diametrically opposing points.
There is a philosophical distinction between the essence of science and the human application of scientific method. It's not that important a distinction in practice, but I don't refrain from pedantry when replying to people who for some reason can't bring themselves to post in a political memes community.
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Tattorack@lemmy.world · 289 pts · 151d
Science is only political because scientists have to continuously convince politicians reality exists.
It's frustrating that something like climate change is even a political discussion at all. Don't Look Up captured that frustration really well.
Tiresia@slrpnk.net · 48 pts · 151d
Convincing people your interpretation of reality exists is literally all that politics is.
Unfortunately, despite being correct, science is also an interpretation of reality.
leftzero@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 14 pts · 150d
What? No. No, no, you naive fool... many politicians, if not most, don't believe most of what they're selling, and don't give a flying fuck about it.
They'll sell whatever line the party they're working for wants them to sell, and they'd just as happily sell the opposition party's line if it paid better and they could switch without being called a turncoat.
Also, it's not about convincing people about specific beliefs; most people are mostly already convinced of their worldviews and if they change them it won't be because of some politician. It's about convincing them, despite all evidence to the contrary, that the politician shares those beliefs, and will impose them on people who don't if they vote for them.
Again, no. Science (except for mathematics, but that's it's own thing) doesn't and shouldn't ever claim to be correct.
It's the most accurate approximation we have so far of how nature works, but it's constantly trying to achieve better approximations, and will happily throw away the old ones when it finds a better one.
It also should always make very clear that it's an approximation or a description, not an interpretation. Science should always be objective, never subjective, and interpretations are by definition subjective.
Fedizen@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 150d
Convincing people is war. Exerting power is politics.
Grail@multiverse.soulism.net · -22 pts · 151d
I think we need politics to go beyond one reality, and embrace a subjective multiverse where people can perceive what they want to perceive.
Tyrq@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 31 pts · 151d
If only the idiots could just piss off to their own multiverse of idiocy and leave the rest of us alone
anomnom@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 151d
That’s called, Texas and also Florida we should let them secede.
Grail@multiverse.soulism.net · -5 pts · 151d
I would be happy if I didn't have to share a universe with realists, but the thing about realists is, they're not happy to let that happen. They think there's only one universe. They psychologically abuse our kind to try to get us back to their reality.
I have a friend named Sonic who's an introject. He appeared in someone else's head one day, having been assembled from thoughts about video games and comic books. He tried to get help from a psychologist with his mental health. Instead of helping him, she told him he doesn't exist and tried to erase him. She messed him up so bad, he tried to commit suicide, tried to destroy the body he lives in and everyone else who lives in it, just to prove he could have an effect on the world, that he exists.
He's doing a lot better now that he's surrounded by antirealists and he isn't seeing that psychologist anymore.
SlurpingPus@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 151d
Mechoselachia@multiverse.soulism.net · 3 pts · 150d
I want to be very clear here, it was my schizo meltdown, not Grail's. And more properly, it was Sonic's meltdown, and it probably ties into out dissociative symptoms more than whatever schizo-spectrum whatever we have going on.
SlurpingPus@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 150d
TIL the multiverse instance has someone other than Grail. But, I wouldn't be surprised if it's perfectly in line with yall's belief that you all are actually personalities of one dude, who might not even exist anyway.
ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 150d
Grail@multiverse.soulism.net · 1 pts · 150d
Are you trying to doxx Me?
ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 150d
explodicle@sh.itjust.works · 20 pts · 151d
Cool cool cool so the climate is pretty fucked and now the way people have lived for millennia will cease to be possible. But at least we were open minded about delusion.
fossilesque@mander.xyz · 16 pts · 151d
starlinguk@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 151d
Andrew Wakefield managed to fuck up people's attitude towards vaccines quite well without politics.
fossilesque@mander.xyz · 1 pts · 151d
RobotToaster@mander.xyz · 5 pts · 151d
They also have to continually convince politicians and other politically minded people to give them money, and risk having it taken away if their results are politically inconvenient.
Slashme@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 150d
Whether climate change is occurring, what damage it's doing and what's causing it are scientific questions. How to address it is a set of political questions: How do we get humanity to emit less greenhouse gases? How do we get countries on the same page? How do we make sure that the effects of these changes don't increase global inequality?
The scientific questions have been answered very well, and are continuing to be answered in more detail all the time.
The response to the political questions has been an abject failure so far.
Vegan_Joe@slrpnk.net · 2 pts · 150d
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it."
Upton Sinclair
thethunderwolf@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 0 pts · 151d
161st upvote
officermike@lemmy.world · 166 pts · 151d
Which is totally why Bayer has settled their lawsuit for several billions of dollars over claims that it causes lymphoma.
Edit: also, plants are organic tissue.
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz · 40 pts · 151d
Also, the stomach's microbiome isn't plants...
Whats_your_reasoning@lemmy.world · 131 pts · 151d
Which is why I spend a solid 3 hours a day facing the sun with my mouth held wide open. Gotta let my tummy plants photosynthesize somehow.
Canonical_Warlock@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 56 pts · 151d
You say that as a joke but I'm pretty sure this clown is also one of the quacks who regularly talked about the "health benefits" of butthole tanning.
thebardingreen@lemmy.starlightkel.xyz · 19 pts · 151d
I once saw him (in person) give a drunken, sloppy, rambling speech to a bunch of high schoolers back in 1999. Calling him a clown is an insult to clowns.
favoredponcho@lemmy.zip · 103 pts · 151d
_stranger_@lemmy.world · 45 pts · 151d
Your stomach micro biome is plants.
favoredponcho@lemmy.zip · 31 pts · 151d
johsny@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 151d
Rfk seems to think the sun shines out his asshole.
SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 4 pts · 150d
He thinks so, but, no that's just a mysterious emissive liquid that he drinks every morning.
"We all need sunshine"
Arcka@midwest.social · 11 pts · 150d
MajorMajormajormajor@lemmy.ca · 8 pts · 151d
You eat it, duh!
Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 150d
That's why you're sick. You need to constantly be in the sun without sunscreen, look at RFK jr's healthy glow as a good example of prime health.
If you're not feeding your tummy plants with the sunlight it needs you're not living healthy.
Slashme@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 150d
"You're" means "you are". "Your" means "belonging to you".
SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 4 pts · 150d
"my sick?"
Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 150d
Thanks, I forget to proofread my comments
DeathsEmbrace@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 150d
Vampires are about to start a protest.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 150d
hes overbaked from the tanning salon.
SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de · 5 pts · 151d
Drink Capri Sun and sunny d
echodot@feddit.uk · 2 pts · 150d
That's why you have to occasionally stick your arse in the air on a sunny day. Do it near a school or local park. You'll be fine, if anyone asks tell them JFK said to.
thethunderwolf@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 150d
*RFK
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 150d
Use the same covid UV lamp as was inserted in 2020.
Simulation6@sopuli.xyz · 3 pts · 151d
Non organic plants at that
fushuan@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 17 pts · 151d
Funny that in Spanish it's called "flora intestinal", not "fauna intestinal". Always though that it's a but of a misnomer.
some_kind_of_guy@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 150d
Intestinal flora is a common phrase in English, too. Or "gut flora". It's one of those old 19th century scientific phrases which has stuck around.
Like this, err, gentleman (who apparently wants to drag us back to that past) we used to believe gut bacteria to be plant-based. Science caught up, but the term has had sticking power. It seems to be a favorite of marketers of probiotic supplements.
"Microbiota" or just the straightforward "gut bacteria" would be more accurate and modern. But of course, everyone except for this guy already knows that.
T156@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 150d
Did he read/hear about gut flora somewhere, and get his eggs scrambled?
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 3 pts · 150d
there is valid science in gut microbiome, the Pseudoscience take on is, the "leaky gut, or inflammatory diet bs.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 150d
Funny that you believe RFK Jr believes in bacteria. Dude doesn't believe in germ theory
echodot@feddit.uk · 2 pts · 150d
Well it's only a theory has anyone actually met a germ?
thethunderwolf@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 150d
There's a whole country
dankm@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 149d
Germs are just dirty microscopes. Have you ever seen one with the naked eye?
Zombiepirate@lemmy.world · 84 pts · 151d
dandelion@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 150d
this is the best response ✅
Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works · 82 pts · 150d
Sometimes I have this weird theory that RFK Jr is really like a Dr. Zoidberg type alien in a skin suit. He just kind of guesses at how human anatomy works because he isn't human himself and isn't professional enough to get a real education on the subject.
Juice@midwest.social · 35 pts · 150d
"I took the liberty of fertilizing your caviar"
-- RFK jr
VoteNixon2016@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 19 pts · 150d
At least Zoidberg means well, RFK Jr. has more in common with the brain slugs or the gas station egg salad sandwiches
rockerface@lemmy.cafe · 12 pts · 150d
If it's his brain worms speaking, that would explain a lot.
NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 150d
It’s hard to say what’s more farfetched, that he is a Zoidbergian alien, or that The Kennedys were just raised that far from any level of anything resembling actual human reality?
Quill7513@slrpnk.net · 6 pts · 150d
heredetary power is a form of abuse.
glimse@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 150d
Here's the new theory I'm pushing:
Have you ever seen RFK in the same room as the Necronomicon? Just something to think about.
SunshineJogger@feddit.org · 3 pts · 150d
Eerily accurate
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 150d
well actually the aliens in the MIB controlling the meat suit.
judgyweevil@feddit.it · 48 pts · 151d
He contradicts himself even in his own wacky theories
Goodeye8@piefed.social · 11 pts · 151d
Considering wacky theories have a tendency to contradict each other (and itself) it would be far more impressive if his wacky theories weren't contradictory.
Loce@lemmy.world · 39 pts · 151d
One with frontotemporal dementia that has rapidly shrinking brain, the other one with half a brain eaten by the worm... in what fucking timeline do we live... feels like Rick and Morty episode... fuck. me.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 8 pts · 150d
destroyed by HEROIN worms.
Sylvartas@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 150d
Heroin-fueled brain worms, allegedly contracted from (knowingly and voluntarily) eating rotten meat on a semi regular basis*
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 149d
he did train an falcon to bring him RATS to eat.
S4m_S3p1l@infosec.pub · 4 pts · 150d
The timeline where Americans collectively lose their minds and make shit loads of money uploading youtube videos about it.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 36 pts · 150d
" it is unequivocal that exposure to glyphosate produces important alterations in the structure and function of the nervous system of humans, rodents, fish, and invertebrates."
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35562999/
melfie@lemmy.zip · 12 pts · 150d
Glyphosate has also been linked to gluten intolerance: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3945755/
Maybe at some point, all the “gluten free” products will switch to “glyphosate free”. Until then, I’ve been buying imported flour from Italy, where its use is significantly more regulated than here in the US, although not entirely banned.
Batman@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 150d
So following this logic, am I a plant?
TeddE@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 150d
Who told you to say that‽
Who do you work for!?!
yesman@lemmy.world · 31 pts · 151d
Of course science is political. Knowledge is power and all power systems are political.
But ignoring philosophy, Science is a charity. By in large they must beg for their money. You don't suppose that the people providing the money have any influence?
And I'm not talking about junk science, biased studies, or even fraud. A perfectly run study may still be political simply because it was chosen for funding over something else.
fossilesque@mander.xyz · 15 pts · 151d
Slashme@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 150d
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/by_and_large
infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net · 31 pts · 151d
Everything is political, and there has never been a time that proves that better than now.
ouRKaoS@lemmy.today · 4 pts · 151d
The fact that all of a sudden writing with a Sharpie is a political statement is baffling.
YoiksAndAway@piefed.zip · 30 pts · 151d
I remember that when Roundup first came out, glyphosate was being held up as a brilliant example of herbicide design since it inhibits a vital metabolic pathway in plants that animals don't have. They even claimed that the surfactants in Roundup were more harmful than the glyphosate itself. I guess that claim didn't hold up too well.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 5 pts · 150d
some weeds already have become resistant to it, not all but sooner or later more and more will be selected for it.
RobotToaster@mander.xyz · 29 pts · 151d
I can't tell if this is supposed to be for or against glyphosate?
fossilesque@mander.xyz · 20 pts · 151d
kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 151d
He seems to be.... pro-celiac?
RamenJunkie@midwest.social · 4 pts · 151d
Real red blooded manly Americans only eat the rawest red meat directly from the carcas and have no need to worry about celiac disease like some girly communist liberal soy boy would.
/s
DeadDigger@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 150d
Hmm gluten free mettbrötchen
NottaLottaOcelot@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 150d
Same! If it’s an errant argument against glyphosate, I guess I’ll take it? Or is it a stance that celiac is no big deal and we should put more glyphosate in our food?
glorkon@lemmy.world · 26 pts · 150d
As if denying millions of Americans access to proper healthcare wasn't enough, they appointed an anti-science, anti-vaxx idiot as if to make sure even more harm would be inflicted on them.
L7HM77@sh.itjust.works · 26 pts · 150d
Awfully big words, for someone who doesn't believe in germ theory.
Omnipitaph@reddthat.com · 10 pts · 150d
holup, what? This guy is working on Victorian era medical knowledge? Is his idol Robert Liston??
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 11 pts · 150d
Theodoric of York.
You know, medicine is not an exact science, but we are learning all the time. Why, just fifty years ago, they thought a disease like your daughter’s was caused by demonic possession or witchcraft. But nowadays we know that Isabelle is suffering from an imbalance of bodily humors, perhaps caused by a toad or a small dwarf living in her stomach.
TyrionBean@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 149d
It's always gratifying to see another "old person" in the comments. 😃
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 149d
I'm not old. I work out in my jeans.
TyrionBean@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 144d
But do you wear an onion on your belt? 😃
tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 150d
Who would've predicted modern toxic bro culture leading to the resurfacing of miasma theory? But at this point I wouldn't be surprised to hear him start talking about imbalances of black bile and phlegm.
psycho_driver@lemmy.world · 25 pts · 151d
Sounds legit. Where do I sign up for my glyphosate injections?
xep@discuss.online · 21 pts · 150d
What I think he's trying to say is that Glyphosate affects the shikimate pathway, which is a biological pathway in plants. This doesn't exist in human cells, but it does exist in our gut microbiota.
We also know now that Glyphosate is a glycine analogue and can displace glycine anywhere in protein synthesis, with unknown effects. It's also likely an endocrine disrupter.
FinalRemix@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 150d
You're giving him far too much credit and help being cogent...
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social · 5 pts · 150d
It always puzzles me why otherwise intelligent people go so far to make excuses for morons who obviously don't know what they're talking about.
maplesaga@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 150d
Is he wrong then for banning its use?
echodot@feddit.uk · 6 pts · 150d
It's found in plants and bacteria so it's not actually exclusively plants which is why in most countries you're not allowed to use it as a weed killer.
TwilitSky@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 150d
You're saying a lot here and I'm sure it's valid and interesting but let's make this easy: If it's not food, it shouldn't go in the food supply unless the benefits to consumers outweigh costs.
nickiwest@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 150d
But you're talking about US policy, so the actual metric is that it shouldn't go in the food supply unless the benefits to corporations outweigh the costs.
Filiforme@lemmy.ca · 16 pts · 150d
Ofc the digestive flora is plants. Man the level of stupidity. Just as dumb as the orange dumbass talking about asylum seekers being release from mental asylums... What a time to be alive.
NottaLottaOcelot@lemmy.ca · 11 pts · 150d
Despite the world flora, the digestive system is largely populated by bacteria, not plants
Filiforme@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 150d
Yes, I am fully aware of that contrary to RFK. It is kind of sad to see people with no credentials running everything...
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social · 0 pts · 150d
I'm honestly not sure if OP knew this or was expressing dismay at the idea
DarkSideOfTheMoon@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 150d
WTF
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 15 pts · 150d
RFK has never been about science.
He was a paid antivax advocate, for money, now he's a paid glyphosate advocate, again for money.
JamesBoeing737MAX@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 149d
Or, it's just an excuse for concentration camps. Great.
NihilsineNefas@slrpnk.net · 1 pts · 149d
GalacticGrapefruit@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 151d
Someone should.
lobut@lemmy.ca · 12 pts · 151d
Ah yes, he's on the show with the very tall and smart scientist Dr Rogan /s
echodot@feddit.uk · 11 pts · 150d
So does it go after organic tissue or not, because last time I checked I'm pretty certain that plants are organic. No one has plants in their stomach either. What a prat.
WanderWisley@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 150d
RFK jr uses brain worms all out attack! It was highly effective on himself…
figjam@midwest.social · 7 pts · 151d
My mother developed an allergy to Roundup that she thought was celiac until she discovered that organic bread didn't bother her at all.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 150d
celiacs would be easily tested with gluten blood test, or a intestinal biopsy if symptoms are present. did she test for those? i was tested for it, eventhough my demographic is not susceptible to it, its not a routine test.
FinjaminPoach@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 151d
So what does he think he's found a cure for this time? We've done covid, fatness, and autism - is this supposed to be a cure for gluten allergy?
dohpaz42@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 151d
As someone with violent celiacs disease, i can appreciate the allure of something that could cure or alleviate a genuine gluten allergy. It would be absolutely amazing if it were to ever happen.
But anything coming out of this guy’s mouth is poison, and should be treated as such.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 3 pts · 150d
his go-to drug of choice was heroin.
OhVenus_Baby@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 150d
Sometimes it feels there is no light at the end of the suffer tunnel for people with severe celiac disease.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 6 pts · 150d
is he not aware that most celiacs sufferers are mostly white people, of northern european descent. With some ME, and indian ancestry.
Hupf@feddit.org · 6 pts · 150d
Somehow reminded me of Edmund Stoiber
rangber@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 150d
Do you think they had a meeting to come up with this bullshit or all it took was a shower?
TwilitSky@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 150d
I think they all met in the shower. It was chaotic to say the least.
cows_are_underrated@feddit.org · 4 pts · 149d
This isnt related solely to Glyphosate, but in Germany Parkinson is being recognised as a "condition caused by working co editions" for farmers and Thier exposure to herbicides (etc.) in general
discocactus@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 151d
So I know just because they are saying to bring back the R word and stop being woke, it's still offensive to many but...
GalacticGrapefruit@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 151d
As an individual to whom the r-slur applies, I think that this word also applies to RFK Jr.
Canconda@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 150d
Is this RFKJ's broken clock moment?
Or am I reading into this wrong? Cuz AFAIK glyphosate is in fact bad for the environment and the food chain including us.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 8 pts · 150d
No, he's saying glyphosate is safe for animals.
Canconda@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 150d
Thank you. I tried re reading it in "gargling sand" voice but I still couldn't figure out what he meant.
nova_ad_vitum@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 150d
Is that really what he said? Lol
Canconda@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 150d
Apparently he's saying it's safe? I honestly dont know wtf he's saying
NihilsineNefas@slrpnk.net · 2 pts · 149d
They want to unban gyphosphate so that CERTAIN countries dropping it on their neighbouring country's fields doesn't count as committing a warcrime.
DozensOfDonner@mander.xyz · 2 pts · 150d
Sorry i can't keep track of every single retard with a microphone in the US, who is this guy, how did he afford a nice suit, and in what situation is he saying this? ( Im not going to ask what his alma mater is because whatever he got taught in the past it has nothing to do with what he is saying)
Sylvartas@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 8 pts · 150d
Ooh I know that one ! It's because of the "K" in RFK, which means "Kennedy"
A7thStone@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 149d
https://youtu.be/7a6hu6Z7Pkg
eestileib@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 4 pts · 150d
You know he went to Harvard, no need to be coy
lime@feddit.nu · 4 pts · 150d
i think he's the current secretary of health
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 149d
One of the kennedys that became republican because he had a drug filled, worm filled life. the heroin/carcass eating likely permanantly damaged his brain. and its the only kennedy that dint have a severe medical condition, or die from a horrible event.
zephiriz@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 150d
I find it funny how everything with him starts out like. Oh okay yeah that is concerning. Maybe we should look into it. Followed by WTF is this guy smoking and where can I get some?
Edit: Also great video about RFK.
https://youtu.be/ifO7hU-0WIY
moopet@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 150d
And this isn't science!
realitista@lemmus.org · -6 pts · 151d
Any scientists want to weigh in here? It's a theory I've heard that does sound plausible even though it's coming from this moron's mouth.
protist@retrofed.com · 64 pts · 151d
I'm just here to point out that your stomach microbiome consists of bacteria and fungi, which are not plants. There's also direct evidence glyphosate causes several different types of cancer in animals, which is pretty harmful to animals. Also all life is made up of organic tissue, not just animals.
realitista@lemmus.org · 2 pts · 151d
Yes and in that you are correct.
Jkosmonaut@infosec.pub · 2 pts · 151d
In the spirit of the comment we’re replying to - what direct evidence is there? I’ve mostly seen studies providing dubious or weak links between realistic dosages of Glyphosate and any animal harm. I legitimately want to learn more if I’m mistaken.
remon@ani.social · 32 pts · 151d
Nah, that sentence is just total non-sense.
Plants are still "organic tissue", the microbiome is mostly in the gut, not the stomach (the stomach is full of acid) and it does NOT consist of plants but of bacteria.
realitista@lemmus.org · 6 pts · 151d
I was asking more of whether glyphosphate was responsible for some of the seeming uptake in gut disorders from wheat we see today.
gnutrino@programming.dev · 8 pts · 151d
I believe what he was trying to get at is that the shikimate pathway that glyphosate inhibits is also used in the bacteria and fungi that make up the gut microbiome.
Not sure what his overall point was supposed to be (or whether he had one) but that's the "microbiome is plants" part.
ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 151d
We are increasingly finding out that gut biome affects mood because the majority of serotonin and dopamine are produced in the gut. While I have to see any conclusive research, I would not be the least surprised to see a direct link between glycophosphate and depression discovered in the future.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 3 pts · 150d
no nothing comes from his mouth is plausible, he isnt a scientist in epidemiology, or a biologist, he a pseudoscience quack.
realitista@lemmus.org · 0 pts · 150d
Yes, yes, I get it. We all hate him.
Well since no one else wanted to weigh in I looked it up. It seems there's some correlation in animals but nothing conclusive in humans yet. Glyphosate Exposure Found To Modulate Gut Microbiome Composition
FishFace@piefed.social · -54 pts · 151d
Science itself is not political, this is not a science meme, and having looked at your post history I won't be missing anything by not seeing you again.
fossilesque@mander.xyz · 36 pts · 151d
Slowy@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 151d
Your memes give me life, never stop
fossilesque@mander.xyz · 11 pts · 151d
spinne@sh.itjust.works · 25 pts · 151d
Assuming you're a student, have you ever tried to write up a lab report from multiple arguments using the same experiment? It's a fun exercise in the potential for politics in science because it shows how you can capture and use the same data to argue diametrically opposing points.
fossilesque@mander.xyz · 6 pts · 151d
spinne@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 151d
Touche! I'm gonna put this on the "...AND ANOTHER THING!!!" list if you're cool with it
fossilesque@mander.xyz · 3 pts · 151d
FishFace@piefed.social · -23 pts · 151d
There is a philosophical distinction between the essence of science and the human application of scientific method. It's not that important a distinction in practice, but I don't refrain from pedantry when replying to people who for some reason can't bring themselves to post in a political memes community.
Harvey656@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 151d
By being pedantic?
FishFace@piefed.social · -1 pts · 150d
I think you misread