One of the greatest propaganda pieces, that is usually not perceived as such intentionally, is that anything having to do with penalties from justice systems is free. Penal justice usually do have statutes of free services, judge time and free legal counseling, but most other tribunals and also a lot of the penalties involved incur financial costs and debt into the convicted. House arrest, you either pay for the ankle tracker or a fine for the officer's hourly pay; mandatory anger management, mental health counseling, etc, you are footing the bill; civil damages, win or lose, attorney times have to be paid; deportation, the receiving country is billed for the plane ticket, room and food during travel, which usually they pass down to you; in the US, convicts have to work in order to access anything that is not basic care (food, water and electricity), usually for slavery wages. And a long list of etceteras.
The cliché of getting yourself arrested for a misdemeanor being cheaper than paying rent and food sounds quirky fun, until the reality of fines and fees of the associated process come through. Justice systems are mostly poverty manufacturing systems.
It's a difficult balance. Imagine you have a child that you bring with you on the plane and it being too young, cries throughout the entire flight. One action, one decision - and not by the child, obviously - impacts everyone around you.
Politicians tap into that innate sense of "hey, that's not fair!" to deliver whatever gives themselves the highest gains. Some want to uphold the status quo, others want to improve it, still others want to tear it all down and start fresh.
Ironically what I hear most often from tankies is that they agree with how Donald Trump is doing things (since I started us talking about specifically the USA in my original comment), and want him to dial the actions up even further.
He's not wrong. It'll be a really shitty journey as it's just voluntary homelessness, but you can choose to live as a hobo if you're brave enough. And if you're brave enough you can cross borders without permission. Not a good idea at all, lots of walking, hunger, sleeping outside, and hiding from authorities, but hey, you can.
"Homeless" can mean different things. It could mean "can't afford a home, can't keep a job" like the typical assumption, or it could mean "between homes but capable of getting another" or it could mean "has plenty of money but no home base, just sleeps in hotels or camps and can afford food and clothes when needed".
It's not a lifestyle I'd want right now, but it doesn't automatically mean one can't thrive. Humans were nomadic for millennia before agriculture gave us a reason and the ability to just stay in one spot.
They weren't being literal with the homelessness. And anyway, that statement is still a bit close-minded, while it obviously wouldn't be a comfortable experience, it is possible and not everything needs to be the smartest decision ever. Sometimes challenging yourself to do something extreme with lots of risk keeps you more alive than comfort could.
Depends on your definition of homelessness. Living in a shitty, broken down van probably counts. But what about living in a $200k Mercedes Sprinter van converted to a camper, with a stable job that lets you work remote? What about a retired couple living in a 40' RV, after spending their working lives dreaming about traveling around the country?
It's not a choice I'd personally make, but it's often associated with mental illness or a deep feeling of the need to be free (especially in young people). For the former it's associated with PTSD and feeling like if you no longer fit into normal life. For the latter it's kinda like backpacking across Europe, but across whatever continent you're on, often staying at punk houses and squats along the way.
Hobo sort of implies a migrant worker. Tramp is someone that travels about, but isn't interested in working. Both used to be associated with freighthopping trains. Do people stowaway on trains anymore?
It's not travel in your (and to be honest, most people in the comments) preferred version. The OP never mentioned luxuries, or even comfort. The point is that if what you really want to travel, you most probably can, independent of your financial situation.
My point is: it's not technically correct, it's just plain correct. Plenty of people I know go for cycling tours of Europe, packing food and sleeping in tents. Some do two weeks hiking.
Travel is not only flying to the other end of the world and eating fancy food cooked for you by hired chefs... you can travel basically free if you adjust your expectations.
I'm convinced that people with excessive levels of wealth have fewer brain synapses than the rest of us living real lives of constant work & negotiating & constantly coming up with creative survival strategies.
I sincerely believe that being rich is bad some kinds of intelligence You don't have to deal with problems. You just brute force your way through with money. You don't have to practice restraint and delayed gratification. You can just buy the thing now.
People that wander for a living usually live by a combination of charity and payments for odd jobs. For example, a small farmer might gladly part with some old clothes and provide a few meals and a bed in exchange for help with some tasks, and I've heard about people with a preternatural ability to couchsurf from city to city.
Whatever you want to do. Go spend a season helping out ona farm in Hawaii, then go help build an ecovillage in Australia, then spend some time walking around New Zealand washing dishes and bussing tables, then off to India where you'll build rope bridges and tree houses for a sustainable community. After that, you can go to Thailand or Vietnam and teach English for a little while, before making your way into the Mediterranean and spending a year and a half on the island of Bozcaada helping an old man repair out building and herd goats.
That's literally what my friend did for over 5 years after one day he just decided to leave and had just enough money for a plane ticket to Hawaii from San Diego. Everything else was work and accommodations he found along the way. The only reason he came back was because of covid, and now he's an RN and makes a bunch of money and he hates his life and is in and out of rehab.
Eto wi’de noon e ɗemngal laawɗungal leydi Burkinaa.
But since the rest of the thread is in English, I hope you'll forgive me for thinking of this in the context of predominantly English-speaking countries.
Well, the reason why I also included "typical access to Education" is that for those from countries whose main language isn't the most often spoken second language in the World, the most common way to learn it is at school.
I cant get people to pay me enough to live here, how can i rely on charity/people willing to pay me elsewhere? Literally i have no issue working, I just want to make enough money to survive
Literally just apply to teach English in Asia. Typically the wage is a solid middle class income, and you don't need to know anything about teaching or English.
You can also look into WWOOFing if you want to explore that.
The general issue with this is the amount of people who can do this, is literally one in a million basically. And I mean that in that if too many people tried to do it. It would quickly become unfeesable due to lack of opportunities. Not will or skill or even money
This is a great example of the expection to the rule.
Yeah, I have a friend. She emancipated herself from her family at 16 and got her GED. Worked nannying and waitresssing jobs when she needed money, but otherwise spent about 5 years traveling the world.
Travel is great if that's your thing. But I've always despised privileged entitled douchebags who use travel as a big flex, and a metric to judge others with.
this guy probably doesn't know what he's talking about but you can, in fact, travel without money. just not very far, very fast, or to a guaranteed location. i hitchhiked all around europe during my studies on semester breaks when i had lot of time and no money... i slept under bridges in a cheap sleeping bag or under a tarp on an alpine meadows and ate the cheapest grocery store items that didn't need cooking. i typically spent less while traveling than i would have spent if i stayed home (especially if i didn't need to pay rent during the summer).
I'm incredibly lucky to have parents whose jobs took us out of the USA. It's one of the things that made up for living in awful places like Louisiana and Arkansas. We weren't wealthy at all, and had to live with relatives at multiple points, but seeing how people in Europe and Asia lived opened my eyes.
Not all of them, clearly. If you avoid doing things due to a fear of dieing, you will never live. Being alive is not the same as living. Someone is a coma is alive, but they arent living. Living in fear is a half life. By your logic, we should never drive anywhere, because of the number of people who die in car accidents. We should not have skyscrapers, or power lines, or bridges, because the construction and maintainace of them is really dangerous and people could die.
The guy is right.
You are all missing the point. How do you think prehistoric humans traveled? How did the humans travel from what is now Russia to North america to become the "Native Americans"? You think they charged it to their Amex? Or took out a second mortgage. No. If you want to travel, use your feet, hop a train, get a job on a ship and use it as free travel then quit. Traveling takes money, or courage, the less money you have, the more courage you need, the more money you have the less courage you need. Its not complicated.
The difference is restrictions didn't exist as much. I can't just go to my local port and get a job on a ship without a resumé and experience, without a passport etc. The main lodging in modern life is buying or renting, so it's also pretty much homelessness unless you have a job lined up already. Even travel within the US, the best bet to sleeping without money is sleeping in a car/van (if you have one!) in something like a Walmart parking-lot (or a rest area)... even then it's going to depend on the area and you still might get hassled by cops (or now, maybe ICE).
And hell, if people lived the old way, I probably could do that. I can peel+chop+fry a potato (or most other vegetables) no problem. I'll sweep the floor, I can carry things, I'll help with important/risky things, and if I have food+shelter I don't particularly care about money. Admittedly, I would be higher risk of death at sea though (either heat-stroke or that I can't swim).
Though this is completely different in the EU... because of: Freedom To Roam, the Schengen Area, hostels.
EDIT: Also going back further, many humans could survive travelling that way likely because they were part of a group. Solo-travel this way is possible now, but I'd say it's a bit more than courage. It also takes knowledge and preparation, likely health, and again navigating risks. Not to say any of that is new for travel, though I'd say getting arrested or maybe ran over are. And this also falls back more into survival rather than travel for leisure as people think about it now.
I had $0 to my name and a junk truck, I sold the junk truck for scap, bought a ticket to fly 2,500 miles to a start i have never been to. To stay with a comunity I had never met or messaged. As a result I was having my phone bill paid, my room and board free, staying in a 1.5 mil home in L.A. county, then I got a free trip to Southern asia where I got to travel to 5 countries. I had free room and board, didnt spend a dime on travel. No catch, no danger, no suffering. $0 to see India, Napal, Myanmar, Cambodia, & south korea.
I didnt know any of these things awaited me. All I knew was I was going to stay with a comunity i had not met. But I had courage and trusted in my Karma. And had the best years of my life. And was able to help thousands of people. Now I am known around the world by thousands as a kind and intelligent helper of humanity. And I have never been a social media or youtube influencer. I did it all accidentally. Because I had good karma, and courage. Not money.
You can travel by hitchhiking (free), walking (free), cycling (one bike costs) or even by volunteering on a ship (you might even earn money). You can sleep in a tent or couchsurfing or on said ship.
Everybody immediately goes to restaurants, transcontinental flights and hotels, of course you need money for that, but that's exactly not the point.
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OpenStars@piefed.social · 101 pts · 127d
In the USA all we have to do is tell ICE that we are not a citizen and bam, all-expenses-paid vacation at some random spot in the world.
Tip to the wise: to facilitate re-entry when you are done, simply ensure that your passport is stored securely in your "travel wallet".
Denvil@lemmy.ml · 29 pts · 127d
Brave of you to assume they wouldn't accuse you of forging the passport with some twisted logic to keep you out of the country
tempest@lemmy.ca · 14 pts · 127d
You wouldn't be in jail if you weren't a criminal right?
NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 127d
It's true, if you get arrested, obviously you do crimes.
dustyData@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 126d
One of the greatest propaganda pieces, that is usually not perceived as such intentionally, is that anything having to do with penalties from justice systems is free. Penal justice usually do have statutes of free services, judge time and free legal counseling, but most other tribunals and also a lot of the penalties involved incur financial costs and debt into the convicted. House arrest, you either pay for the ankle tracker or a fine for the officer's hourly pay; mandatory anger management, mental health counseling, etc, you are footing the bill; civil damages, win or lose, attorney times have to be paid; deportation, the receiving country is billed for the plane ticket, room and food during travel, which usually they pass down to you; in the US, convicts have to work in order to access anything that is not basic care (food, water and electricity), usually for slavery wages. And a long list of etceteras.
The cliché of getting yourself arrested for a misdemeanor being cheaper than paying rent and food sounds quirky fun, until the reality of fines and fees of the associated process come through. Justice systems are mostly poverty manufacturing systems.
OpenStars@piefed.social · 1 pts · 126d
It's a difficult balance. Imagine you have a child that you bring with you on the plane and it being too young, cries throughout the entire flight. One action, one decision - and not by the child, obviously - impacts everyone around you.
Politicians tap into that innate sense of "hey, that's not fair!" to deliver whatever gives themselves the highest gains. Some want to uphold the status quo, others want to improve it, still others want to tear it all down and start fresh.
Ironically what I hear most often from tankies is that they agree with how Donald Trump is doing things (since I started us talking about specifically the USA in my original comment), and want him to dial the actions up even further.
So... it gets highly complex, real quickly.
captainlezbian@lemmy.world · 70 pts · 127d
He's not wrong. It'll be a really shitty journey as it's just voluntary homelessness, but you can choose to live as a hobo if you're brave enough. And if you're brave enough you can cross borders without permission. Not a good idea at all, lots of walking, hunger, sleeping outside, and hiding from authorities, but hey, you can.
realitaetsverlust@piefed.zip · 29 pts · 127d
Choosing homelessness when you have any other option isn't brave, it's fucking stupid.
Buddahriffic@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 127d
"Homeless" can mean different things. It could mean "can't afford a home, can't keep a job" like the typical assumption, or it could mean "between homes but capable of getting another" or it could mean "has plenty of money but no home base, just sleeps in hotels or camps and can afford food and clothes when needed".
It's not a lifestyle I'd want right now, but it doesn't automatically mean one can't thrive. Humans were nomadic for millennia before agriculture gave us a reason and the ability to just stay in one spot.
Azzu@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 12 pts · 127d
They weren't being literal with the homelessness. And anyway, that statement is still a bit close-minded, while it obviously wouldn't be a comfortable experience, it is possible and not everything needs to be the smartest decision ever. Sometimes challenging yourself to do something extreme with lots of risk keeps you more alive than comfort could.
faintwhenfree@lemmus.org · 8 pts · 127d
The line that separates courage and stupidity is always very thin, be it warfare or..... Checks notes..... TRAVEL
hansolo@lemmy.today · 7 pts · 127d
Lots of people walk or bike around the world.
What's more valuable to you? Having an experience that sounds outlandishly amazing? Or paying rent? We might not all agree.
Ajen@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 127d
Depends on your definition of homelessness. Living in a shitty, broken down van probably counts. But what about living in a $200k Mercedes Sprinter van converted to a camper, with a stable job that lets you work remote? What about a retired couple living in a 40' RV, after spending their working lives dreaming about traveling around the country?
realitaetsverlust@piefed.zip · 1 pts · 126d
You're not homeless if you have a 200k sprinter, also it's not in the spirit of this post which claims that travel isn't a matter of money.
Ajen@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 126d
That's fair, but where do you draw the line?
captainlezbian@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 126d
It's not a choice I'd personally make, but it's often associated with mental illness or a deep feeling of the need to be free (especially in young people). For the former it's associated with PTSD and feeling like if you no longer fit into normal life. For the latter it's kinda like backpacking across Europe, but across whatever continent you're on, often staying at punk houses and squats along the way.
TheNamlessGuy@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 126d
ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 127d
There are worse options.
BuboScandiacus@mander.xyz · 18 pts · 127d
That’s great and all but please take a few step to the left, you are blocking the sunlight
Whats_your_reasoning@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 127d
Oh, sorry Diogenes!
Simulation6@sopuli.xyz · 6 pts · 126d
Hobo sort of implies a migrant worker. Tramp is someone that travels about, but isn't interested in working. Both used to be associated with freighthopping trains. Do people stowaway on trains anymore?
captainlezbian@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 126d
I have to assume some people still hop trains. At the very least some crust punk squatter types probably do
DisgruntledGorillaGang@reddthat.com · 1 pts · 126d
There's nowhere to go on a train tho. They're all tanks and shipping containers.
chunes@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 126d
I assume train hoppers have tricks to get inside boxcars. Also there are different types of cars besides tank cars and boxcars, like coil cars:
And open-top hopper cars:
DisgruntledGorillaGang@reddthat.com · 1 pts · 126d
That's my point, I never see boxcars anywhere.
chunes@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 126d
When you say shipping containers, do you mean these guys?
DisgruntledGorillaGang@reddthat.com · 2 pts · 126d
Yes. I work next to a train yard and 90% of what I see are these guys.
doingthestuff@lemy.lol · -1 pts · 126d
There are no trains anymore.
village604@adultswim.fan · 4 pts · 126d
Then how did I get stuck at a railroad crossing today?
darklamer@feddit.org · 2 pts · 126d
Aliens.
bestboyfriendintheworld@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 127d
Hitchhiking and couch surfing is a thing.
Holytimes@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 126d
That's just being homeless...
Tja@programming.dev · 5 pts · 126d
Nobody said it isn't.
It is traveling and it doesn't require lots of money.
bestboyfriendintheworld@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 126d
Not if you’re doing it while traveling.
hansolo@lemmy.today · 5 pts · 127d
People do this all the time. Typically it's people on bikes, crossing something.
$5 a day? Pure luxury!
https://adventure.com/how-to-cycle-around-the-world/
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 127d
I don’t think that is “travel” in the spirit of the discussion.
Tja@programming.dev · 2 pts · 126d
It's not travel in your (and to be honest, most people in the comments) preferred version. The OP never mentioned luxuries, or even comfort. The point is that if what you really want to travel, you most probably can, independent of your financial situation.
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 126d
Yeah, I get it that s/he is technically correct. I think that was pretty clear in my statement.
Tja@programming.dev · 2 pts · 126d
My point is: it's not technically correct, it's just plain correct. Plenty of people I know go for cycling tours of Europe, packing food and sleeping in tents. Some do two weeks hiking.
Travel is not only flying to the other end of the world and eating fancy food cooked for you by hired chefs... you can travel basically free if you adjust your expectations.
FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world · 61 pts · 127d
Only rich people say stupid shit like this.
anon_8675309@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 127d
Only stupid, rich people say stupid stuff like this.
Edit: added comma.
JennaR8r@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 11 pts · 127d
I'm convinced that people with excessive levels of wealth have fewer brain synapses than the rest of us living real lives of constant work & negotiating & constantly coming up with creative survival strategies.
BigBananaDealer@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 127d
have you tried just asking your parents for spare money??
JennaR8r@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 126d
I'm 50 years old and my parents are dead.
village604@adultswim.fan · 6 pts · 126d
You didn't answer the question. Grab the ouija board.
Vandals_handle@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 126d
N
BigBananaDealer@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 126d
did they not leave a few companies in their will to take over after they pass???
JennaR8r@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 126d
Mind your own business.
jtrek@startrek.website · 2 pts · 126d
I sincerely believe that being rich is bad some kinds of intelligence You don't have to deal with problems. You just brute force your way through with money. You don't have to practice restraint and delayed gratification. You can just buy the thing now.
Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 127d
Isn't that like a given??
imetators@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 126d
How rich is stupid rich?
CaptPretentious@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 126d
I would say, someone who doesn't look at the cost of flight/hotel/etc. and just does on a whim.
JoMiran@lemmy.ml · 52 pts · 127d
Have the courage to pay in other ways.
SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 127d
With beans?
Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 127d
We're poor, not stupid. Beans are far too valuable.
spitfire@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 127d
Why not both
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 127d
Yeah I traded a whole cow for three beans!
HotsauceHurricane@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 127d
NOT MY MR.BEAN COLLECTION!?
SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 127d
My wife got rid of my Mr. Bean VHS collection
HotsauceHurricane@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 127d
That is a tragedy.
explodicle@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 127d
Gas, grass, or ass. Nobody rides for free.
DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world · 50 pts · 127d
Go out your front door.
Keep walking.
?
Joy.
Aurenkin@sh.itjust.works · 43 pts · 127d
Isn't this the plot of LotR?
Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 21 pts · 127d
And the Hobbit
dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works · 12 pts · 127d
I think it depends which character you are.
doingthestuff@lemy.lol · 2 pts · 126d
Frodo and Bilbo had money tho.
AyuTsukasa@lemmy.zip · 30 pts · 127d
No no no, it's the courage to leave without caring about losing all your worldly possessions 🙃
Azzu@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 9 pts · 127d
My worldly possessions are lots of debt
Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone · 7 pts · 127d
How lucky, you’d have it wherever you go!
frightful_hobgoblin@lemmy.ml · 24 pts · 127d
A nomadic life can be cheaper than a sedentary one.
LoreleiSankTheShip@lemmy.ml · 17 pts · 127d
What do you do, exactly, to earn money for food/clothes in that lifestyle? That has always puzzled me
ViatorOmnium@piefed.social · 21 pts · 127d
People that wander for a living usually live by a combination of charity and payments for odd jobs. For example, a small farmer might gladly part with some old clothes and provide a few meals and a bed in exchange for help with some tasks, and I've heard about people with a preternatural ability to couchsurf from city to city.
MnemonicBump@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 11 pts · 127d
Whatever you want to do. Go spend a season helping out ona farm in Hawaii, then go help build an ecovillage in Australia, then spend some time walking around New Zealand washing dishes and bussing tables, then off to India where you'll build rope bridges and tree houses for a sustainable community. After that, you can go to Thailand or Vietnam and teach English for a little while, before making your way into the Mediterranean and spending a year and a half on the island of Bozcaada helping an old man repair out building and herd goats.
That's literally what my friend did for over 5 years after one day he just decided to leave and had just enough money for a plane ticket to Hawaii from San Diego. Everything else was work and accommodations he found along the way. The only reason he came back was because of covid, and now he's an RN and makes a bunch of money and he hates his life and is in and out of rehab.
Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 10 pts · 127d
Try doing that with a passport and the typical access to Education from, say Burkina Faso.
scytale@piefed.zip · 7 pts · 127d
Yeah aside from money, a lot of people forget about passport privilege.
blarghly@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 127d
Moving the goalposts. We can assume from context that they are speaking to an audience from developed nations.
Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 126d
This all started with:
To which the previous poster added an example.
I'm pointing out that there are many other common contexts were things don't at all work like that.
By that "logic" of yours whenever a Western newspaper publishes a story about something that happened elsewhere in the World, it's "goalpost moving".
I think you're confusing your own "I don't give a shit about people not like me" mindset with the mindset of the entire audience here.
elephantium@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 127d
Eto wi’de noon e ɗemngal laawɗungal leydi Burkinaa.
But since the rest of the thread is in English, I hope you'll forgive me for thinking of this in the context of predominantly English-speaking countries.
Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 0 pts · 126d
Well, the reason why I also included "typical access to Education" is that for those from countries whose main language isn't the most often spoken second language in the World, the most common way to learn it is at school.
Scubus@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 127d
I cant get people to pay me enough to live here, how can i rely on charity/people willing to pay me elsewhere? Literally i have no issue working, I just want to make enough money to survive
blarghly@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 127d
Literally just apply to teach English in Asia. Typically the wage is a solid middle class income, and you don't need to know anything about teaching or English.
You can also look into WWOOFing if you want to explore that.
Holytimes@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 126d
The general issue with this is the amount of people who can do this, is literally one in a million basically. And I mean that in that if too many people tried to do it. It would quickly become unfeesable due to lack of opportunities. Not will or skill or even money
This is a great example of the expection to the rule.
blarghly@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 127d
Yeah, I have a friend. She emancipated herself from her family at 16 and got her GED. Worked nannying and waitresssing jobs when she needed money, but otherwise spent about 5 years traveling the world.
Gork@sopuli.xyz · 6 pts · 127d
A lot have taken up being digital nomads. Not a bad way to make a living off you can get good Internet access somehow.
SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 127d
And fit into a little RV.
Waraugh@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 127d
The internet is in the very air that we breath
M137@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 127d
breathe*
breath is "taking a breath" or "out of breath", ends without an e sound (obviously).
Waraugh@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 127d
Thank you!
M137@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 127d
It's pretty easy to find it within a half days journey in most of the world now, most towns and cities will have public WiFi in some form.
I wish I could live like that, but medication and executive dysfunction makes it impossible. Hopefully in the future.
Kolanaki@pawb.social · 16 pts · 126d
Walking is free.
"But I am in America and want to tour Europe! 😩"
Swimming is also free.
AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 126d
Also, the strait of Bering is not that large.
DisgruntledGorillaGang@reddthat.com · 3 pts · 126d
I've never heard someone call it the strait of Bering before.
mojofrododojo@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 126d
who the fuck wants to tramp around russia? good way to get drone striked or sent to the front in a meatwave
HotsauceHurricane@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 127d
"SIR YOU DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH COURAGE POINTS TO FLY ON BRAVE AIRLINES, you must go to delta. "
dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 127d
GODDAMMIT I just opened this card for the promotional courage points!
hansolo@lemmy.today · 4 pts · 127d
But I earned these points flying on Spirit!
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 127d
Does Brave Airlines mine Courage Coins without your consent?
HotsauceHurricane@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 127d
Ya goddamn right it does.
meme_historian@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 16 pts · 127d
Poor sod seems to lack the courage to sneak into a cargo hold
pressanykeynow@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 127d
Technically you can travel all your remaining life without money.
zeograd@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 126d
AeonFelis@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 127d
Just board the plane without paying.
Boozilla@sh.itjust.works · 12 pts · 126d
Travel is great if that's your thing. But I've always despised privileged entitled douchebags who use travel as a big flex, and a metric to judge others with.
doingthestuff@lemy.lol · 11 pts · 127d
How much could one courage cost? A million dollars?
DisgruntledGorillaGang@reddthat.com · 1 pts · 126d
There's always courage in the banana stand.
ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca · 10 pts · 127d
Lebron must be the bravest person on Earth.
ivanafterall@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 127d
I wonder if traveling the seas is why he flops so much?
sangeteria@lemmy.ml · 10 pts · 127d
If you violate enough mobility laws you can get anywhere for free!
Evil_Shrubbery@thelemmy.club · 9 pts · 127d
Can I pay with mental illnesses?
I'm not out of those, but would gladly transfer them to a financial institution.
ivanafterall@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 127d
They have enough already.
Mental illness CAN get you a plane, if you're fast and skilled enough.
BilSabab@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 127d
or you can't travel because of martial law
zod000@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 10 pts · 126d
You can still travel, you just won't get far and might die. Courage!
BilSabab@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 126d
well, it's a bit more complicated than that but yeah
solidheron@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 126d
I guess they meant you can travel locally or don't be afraid of going into debt? But that would still mean it's a matter of money
stupidcasey@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 127d
True, if you believe you can survive the border guard shooting at you you don't need any money at all.
nieceandtows@programming.dev · 4 pts · 126d
The courage comes from having enough money to solve any known or unknown problem situations.
Venat0r@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 126d
Maybe he meant you need the courage to stowaway on your preferred mode of transport.
e.g. the YouTuber gifgas travels by stowawaying on freight trains
or maybe you need the "courage" to rob a bank to get the money to pay for the travel expenses 😅
CatZoomies@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 127d
aloofPenguin@piefed.world · 2 pts · 127d
...you MONSTER ...
hidalgo_islenio@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 126d
Guess I'll swim away.
grepe@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 126d
this guy probably doesn't know what he's talking about but you can, in fact, travel without money. just not very far, very fast, or to a guaranteed location. i hitchhiked all around europe during my studies on semester breaks when i had lot of time and no money... i slept under bridges in a cheap sleeping bag or under a tarp on an alpine meadows and ate the cheapest grocery store items that didn't need cooking. i typically spent less while traveling than i would have spent if i stayed home (especially if i didn't need to pay rent during the summer).
HugeNerd@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 126d
And this works without money ... how? Let me guess, your charm?
Teppa@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 126d
Courage.
HugeNerd@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 126d
Stealth
samus12345@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 127d
tio_bira@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 127d
My brain automatically fill the "courage" dot as with "PIX" instead, i need to hold on buy stuff online
Johanno@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 125d
I mean obviously travelling fast is costing money.
But walking is free. Except for food.
Amd you could hire on a ship to work. It will take a few months until you get where you want to be. But you earn money while doing it.
lugal@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 127d
"Dickes Ticket"-Moment (for those who understand German)
mojofrododojo@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 126d
I'm incredibly lucky to have parents whose jobs took us out of the USA. It's one of the things that made up for living in awful places like Louisiana and Arkansas. We weren't wealthy at all, and had to live with relatives at multiple points, but seeing how people in Europe and Asia lived opened my eyes.
10thGlyphix@lemmy.zip · 0 pts · 124d
Not all of them, clearly. If you avoid doing things due to a fear of dieing, you will never live. Being alive is not the same as living. Someone is a coma is alive, but they arent living. Living in fear is a half life. By your logic, we should never drive anywhere, because of the number of people who die in car accidents. We should not have skyscrapers, or power lines, or bridges, because the construction and maintainace of them is really dangerous and people could die.
10thGlyphix@lemmy.zip · -5 pts · 127d
The guy is right. You are all missing the point. How do you think prehistoric humans traveled? How did the humans travel from what is now Russia to North america to become the "Native Americans"? You think they charged it to their Amex? Or took out a second mortgage. No. If you want to travel, use your feet, hop a train, get a job on a ship and use it as free travel then quit. Traveling takes money, or courage, the less money you have, the more courage you need, the more money you have the less courage you need. Its not complicated.
insomniac_lemon@lemmy.cafe · 6 pts · 127d
The difference is restrictions didn't exist as much. I can't just go to my local port and get a job on a ship without a resumé and experience, without a passport etc. The main lodging in modern life is buying or renting, so it's also pretty much homelessness unless you have a job lined up already. Even travel within the US, the best bet to sleeping without money is sleeping in a car/van (if you have one!) in something like a Walmart parking-lot (or a rest area)... even then it's going to depend on the area and you still might get hassled by cops (or now, maybe ICE).
And hell, if people lived the old way, I probably could do that. I can peel+chop+fry a potato (or most other vegetables) no problem. I'll sweep the floor, I can carry things, I'll help with important/risky things, and if I have food+shelter I don't particularly care about money. Admittedly, I would be higher risk of death at sea though (either heat-stroke or that I can't swim).
Though this is completely different in the EU... because of: Freedom To Roam, the Schengen Area, hostels.
EDIT: Also going back further, many humans could survive travelling that way likely because they were part of a group. Solo-travel this way is possible now, but I'd say it's a bit more than courage. It also takes knowledge and preparation, likely health, and again navigating risks. Not to say any of that is new for travel, though I'd say getting arrested or maybe ran over are. And this also falls back more into survival rather than travel for leisure as people think about it now.
10thGlyphix@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 124d
I had $0 to my name and a junk truck, I sold the junk truck for scap, bought a ticket to fly 2,500 miles to a start i have never been to. To stay with a comunity I had never met or messaged. As a result I was having my phone bill paid, my room and board free, staying in a 1.5 mil home in L.A. county, then I got a free trip to Southern asia where I got to travel to 5 countries. I had free room and board, didnt spend a dime on travel. No catch, no danger, no suffering. $0 to see India, Napal, Myanmar, Cambodia, & south korea. I didnt know any of these things awaited me. All I knew was I was going to stay with a comunity i had not met. But I had courage and trusted in my Karma. And had the best years of my life. And was able to help thousands of people. Now I am known around the world by thousands as a kind and intelligent helper of humanity. And I have never been a social media or youtube influencer. I did it all accidentally. Because I had good karma, and courage. Not money.
DisgruntledGorillaGang@reddthat.com · 1 pts · 126d
Lmao, that's a terrible point. How many of them do you think died getting there?
Tja@programming.dev · -16 pts · 126d
ITT: but first class tickets and 5 star hotels cost money!!!
Basically no one understands the message.
Sibbo@sopuli.xyz · 13 pts · 126d
What is the message?
Tja@programming.dev · 2 pts · 126d
You can travel by hitchhiking (free), walking (free), cycling (one bike costs) or even by volunteering on a ship (you might even earn money). You can sleep in a tent or couchsurfing or on said ship.
Everybody immediately goes to restaurants, transcontinental flights and hotels, of course you need money for that, but that's exactly not the point.
Bassman1805@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 126d
Economy tickets and hostels also cost money.
Tja@programming.dev · 1 pts · 126d
Walking, biking and couchsurfing is free. In most countries camping is free too.
nieceandtows@programming.dev · 3 pts · 126d
Couchsurfing is free? No, it comes with the cost of having people who trust you enough to let you in their houses.
DisgruntledGorillaGang@reddthat.com · 2 pts · 126d
Biking is not free.