You don't own your vehicle anymore

For tractor's someone in Canada has figured it out.

There is an EV company that understood and is make a blank Slate truck. I think the initial PR said no radio or navi, just a blank dash. Because people who want nav could add it or use a phone. Drops Costa by staying simple.

https://www.slate.auto/en

I wasn't asking for permission.

You don't need bike lanes to ride!

That's the magic, I then bike off road.

They will

The most advanced electronics on my light with 3 different modes that switch when you press the button.

Man an e bike is the shit though if you live in a hilly city, that one is def not a gimmick lol

Yeah, canoe or kayak are also good choices. They are basically the bikes of the sea.

Nah , dirtbikes are. Fast, nimble, can go off road.

Should be easy enough to remove for regular bikes, ebikes might be a little more annoying.

But they're doing that too... for "ad monetization"

It’s actually the other way around. There are only 11 two-party consent states. All the rest, plus DC are single-party consent, but usually the single consenting party has to be one of the participants of the conversation.

Most states require two party consent to record audio otherwise it's wiretapping.

That was before multi-billions dollars companies found a way to monetize this. Then they'll intensively lobby pay lawmakers to amend the laws so that either cars get a waiver or starting up the car will be considered as a consent.

Maybe they mean using laser to observe acoustics moving an object like a window?

Where it's headed? Maybe...

But that's definitely not where it is now. A small, reversible modification like this won't void your warranty in any meaningful way (unless you then go in to make a warranty claim about your connectivity features not working). And no insurance company is going to care whether you've disconnected the internet connection antenna -- even if they wanted to ... how would they know?

Possibly, I suppose. Nothing is stopping them from doing that. Though it would be a huge dick move, and it might end up exposing them to a lot more warranty claims than they planned on if something goes wrong with that 'car kills itself if it goes too long without cell signal' system.

Like ... suppose a perfectly normal owner leaves his car parked inside an underground parking garage or a metal shed while he goes on vacation ... and then comes back a few weeks to a month later and finds out that his car won't work at all? Now the dealership is on the hook for towing fees, half an hour of technician labor to reset the system, and maybe even the use of a loaner car for a day. That potential cost seems to really outweigh the 'benefit' of preventing any owner from purposefully disconnecting their car.

Anyway, if you somehow end up with a car like that, then you might need to be a bit more creative in the solution: instead of connecting the antenna wire directly to a resistor, you'll need to connect it with a 2-way switch. One position on the switch connects it to a grounded resistor, the other position connects it to the original antenna. Then you just have to remember to occasionally turn the car's spyware on for a few minutes every month or two, just long enough to reset its internal self-destruct timer. (Though it is possible that it might be collecting data while disconnected and then sending that collected data once the connection is reestablished. In that case, this isn't a very good solution, though it would at least prevent them from fucking with you in real time.)

Possibly... But it's likely that the internet modem is integrated together with the car's radio head unit, or at least pulls power through the same fuse. Since it's fairly unlikely that they have a single fuse that only powers the cell connection, the fuse-pulling approach is likely to disable other things as well, possibly some pretty important things.

Going after the antenna wire ensures that you only disable the internet connection, nothing else.

This is every 10 year olds dream

Until you break your arm or your dog is dying and needs emergency care.

Humans shouldn't be that isolated. Some is fine. But isolation isnt how we fight fascism.

I can elaborate, I just thought it's obvious.

Companies don't patent things because they have a product and they want to sell it, because they think it may make them profit in the future or even because they thin it's a good idea in general.

Companies get patents when they find an idea novel enough to patent it. They want to have big portfolio of patents for two main reasons:

• investors like it. They think the company is innovative and intellectual property adds value to the company. it basically looks good to have a lot of patents

• it's ammunition in patent wars. If your competitor tries to sue you for infringing on their patents you can always find some patents in your portfolio where you can claim that they infringe them and sue them in retaliation. A lawsuit can turn in to a negotiation. The more patents you have the more protection from lawsuits

Patenting something doesn't mean company is about to turn it into a product. It just means they managed to patent something. When I worked in IBM the company was giving bonuses for successful patent applications. It was a requirement for some higher managerial positions to get some patents for the company. The process was simple: you send your idea to the lawyers, they check if the idea is patented already, if not they apply for the patent. It had nothing to do with IBMs business plans. It was purely legal evaluation.

I didn't know I was driving the bus.

So a camera in your house is cool because there's a cameras in other places? Ok...

I have an E-bike. I'm faster than the bus so I use light rail. They probably also have cameras, but that's neither here nor there, crowds breed anonymity.

Oh that makes sense. I specifically don't watch videos sped up because I hate how it feels lol. It's hard not to be suspicious of everything I see on the internet though too.

I sincerely doubt this will be limited to EVs going forward.

From western companies, that's projection at its best.

Chinese EV makers are aware of the defiance and could go easy on the data collection.

But what I really hope is to see disconnected EVs! I enjoyed advanced infotainment, but I'm growingly frustrated with the idea my car spies on me more than my phone, and even more since I switched to Graphene OS.

And it looks like what Slate is about to offer (learnt about their existence in this thread!).

What are you doing Dave?

I'm realizing I tuned out of the tiktok too early. It led with the more salacious and less realistic patent to complain about so I figured the rest was also bullshit.

Don't buy new cars then? Not like there's a shortage of used cars in the world. It's better to prevent waste anyway.

Is it really though? While few new vehicles are "cell-less", countless relatively new used vehicles are not only "unplugged" but also less than 1/2 the price of the identical "new" version of that model.

ill drive a 2000's car until i fucking die.

I agree that tons of people live 30 minutes or more from an emergency department. I live 25 minutes away myself. But Emergency response, at least everywhere ive lived in the US, is much quicker than that thanks to volunteer fire departments and such. So, an emt getting to you is faster than 30 minutes -- by a lot, probably -- but you still will need to travel the 30-minute distance for super duper emergencies. Also -- who the fuck in American is ready, willing, or able to pay for an ambulance ride? My heart better be stopped if youre loading me into an ambulance.

No they're a temporarily embarrassed King Dumbfuck. They'd never fall for something like that.

I'm a dumbfuck without a car though, so I really struggle to see how it affects me.