Regretful cities aren't sure how to cancel their surveillance contracts, so they are literally covering their cameras.
Cities Are Covering Flock Cameras With Trash Bags
https://www.404media.co/cities-are-covering-flock-cameras-with-trash-bags/
https://www.404media.co/cities-are-covering-flock-cameras-with-trash-bags/
Regretful cities aren't sure how to cancel their surveillance contracts, so they are literally covering their cameras.
96 Comments
empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 184 pts · 81d
I 100% guarantee that "deactivated" cameras are still operational. It's just not the City getting the data.
iThinkDifferentThanU@lemmy.world · 77 pts · 81d
Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world · 24 pts · 81d
Welp. It's too bad the shitty hotel I used to work at got shut down by the city.
We had TONS of meth heads that would be very appriciative of that information.
ivanafterall@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 81d
Really though, don't do the precious metals part, cuz that's what will get you caught. Carefully destroying them? Very doable, I strongly suspect.
BarbecueCowboy@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 6 pts · 80d
The precious metals content realistically isn't interesting at all unfortunately. You could make a bit reselling the internal components (like probably not even 3 digits), but the value on the actual copper/etc is negligible. The solar panel is probably the most interesting piece, but the components are cheap as fuck.
halferect@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 80d
Its to encourage meth heads who only need 20 bucks and are desperate enough to go to jail for a lil bit of copper
iThinkDifferentThanU@lemmy.world · -5 pts · 80d
Syndication@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 80d
Kowowow@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 81d
I would have bit of extra respect for a youtuber breaking down to get the precious metals out of specifically flok cameras
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 81d
or take the whole pole its attached to.
iThinkDifferentThanU@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 80d
Agent641@lemmy.world · 37 pts · 81d
They don't just collect video either. Audio, network traffic, Bluetooth devices, tons of electronic intelligence can still be gotten with covered cameras
HubertManne@piefed.social · 6 pts · 80d
seems like they should use those metallic ballon type bags.
M137@lemmy.today · -1 pts · 80d
Don't think they'll do much against the audio, but that seems like it won't be much use by itself. Though that doesn't matter, it's the principle that matters, they shouldn't be allowed to record audio like that no matter how useless it is.
HubertManne@piefed.social · 1 pts · 80d
figured more for wireless stuff. I was under the impression mylar acted like a faraday cage. also I imagine the crinkled reflection would be that much more annoying for the camera. I bet it would crinkle a bit to distorting noise stuff.
trackball_fetish@lemmy.wtf · 3 pts · 80d
The Bluetooth tracking is much more sinister than people know. The city I'm in has devices specifically for this placed strategically along with the alpr and cameras. Its fuckin' wild. Can't even leave without them tracking you.
abigscaryhobo@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 80d
I don't know how, but I bet there's an enterprising way to make a nice cheap battery powered Bluetooth scrambler that can be stuck right on one of those poles with a magnet and just absolutely ruin their signals.
frustrated_phagocytosis@fedia.io · 26 pts · 81d
Sounds like these cities need an adopt-a-Flock program to get these lonely civil rights violations into new forever homes
vagrancyand@sh.itjust.works · 110 pts · 81d
Fun fact the panel, inverter, and battery set up in these do not have any tracking features, that's all in the internals for the camera controller. It's enough to charge any smart phone or tablet if someone you know is living outside and should have a need of that. You do not need anything more than a Philips head screwdriver for most versions, and a security bit for others, both of which you can have for pennies at any hardware store.
InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world · 73 pts · 81d
Some flock stuff has microphones so avoid talking during the maintenance session 😜
artyom@piefed.social · 28 pts · 81d
If you cut the solar panel wire at night, no one will know when it happened.
ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 14 pts · 81d
Charge controllers detect open circuit connections, so it will very likely be in a log when suddenly the controller has an open circuit on the input terminals.
TiredGoose@lemmy.zip · 10 pts · 81d
Spray paint the solar panel?
Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 7 pts · 80d
Spray paint the camera
Mountainaire@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 80d
Why not both?
adespoton@lemmy.ca · 14 pts · 81d
They also include SIM cards that come with a Flock-funded data plan.
anomnom@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 80d
Bring an all metal tool box to put the camera in it. Instant faraday cage.
Best to open it somewhere that is not frequented by you though, then you can remove the battery and other useful stuff for recycling.
Or just throw the whole thing in the nearest dumpster and let the garbage company take care of it.
Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it · 1 pts · 80d
Remove the batteries first!
Dicska@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 80d
I guess the problem starts when two other cameras are watching the same area the first camera is in.
otp@sh.itjust.works · 38 pts · 81d
Ah, these are in American cities.
Oh yes, definitely American.
(Yes I know I skipped over the part about Ohio)
wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 81d
It's okay, we don't care about Ohio either
anon_8675309@lemmy.world · 37 pts · 81d
Makes them more easily identifiable so they can be properly disposed of.
GioGioMioGio@feddit.org · 4 pts · 80d
I guess technically they already are in a trashbag.
ZombieCyborgFromOuterSpace@piefed.ca · 37 pts · 81d
You can 100% remove them with a baseball bat.
Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 80d
They are the city. They can send public works out there to dismantle the cameras and then send Flock the bill for it, if they are unwilling to dismantle themselves.
MoogleMaestro@lemmy.zip · 32 pts · 81d
One step away from being relocated to their actual destination: the bin.
Pika@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 81d
honestly idk why they bothered covering them. just disconnect them... as long as they aren't damaged I doubt flock could seek anything on it.
em2@lemmy.ml · 9 pts · 81d
likely safer if they ever get caught. it's not damaging property if there's simply a trash bag over it.
SparroHawc@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 80d
They have solar panels and batteries, they aren't connected to anything.
CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 80d
They're connected to a pole.
SparroHawc@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 78d
Only connected with cinch straps. They don't have any wire connection to the pole. That's what makes them so easy to place all around a city; they're just throwing them onto pre-existing poles.
roserose56@lemmy.zip · 31 pts · 81d
Do also the other thing, where you brake it apart. Same thing, but it's permanently.
Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 80d
I read the beginning of the title as "Cities are Cowering" and now I think it could easily be a part of an alternate title.
Like your the damn government... Just remove the devices, tell Flock where they can pick them up in the next two weeks otherwise they will be sold as is on open market and pay the termination fee or potential lawsuit. Cities get sued like all the time and I am confident even a moderately competent lawyer could find a cheap way out.
vapordays@leminal.space · 6 pts · 80d
Or accelerate it apart
HertzDentalBar@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 25 pts · 81d
This is why you don't sign contracts without an obvious out.
MrKoyun@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 80d
Why aren't they just... Removing them?
Oh. Its probably because removing them is unnecessarily complicated so they need the company to come do it for them.
bold_atlas@lemmy.world · 25 pts · 80d
You don't have to worry about a complicated removal if you have an angle grinder.
lando55@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 80d
You'd be surprised how few worries I have when I'm brandishing an angle grinder
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 80d
on a totally unrelated topic, but harbor freight is a great place to get affordable tools.
glitch1985@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 80d
And if you time your visit right, free bucket!
bold_atlas@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 78d
Bucket is always free if you got your grinder with you.
orenj@leminal.space · 1 pts · 80d
I was thinking hacksaw but I like where your mind is at.
frostysauce@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 80d
If you had read the article you'd know that the cities aren't sure if they can remove them under the terms of their contracts with flock. So they're covering them while working that out.
CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 80d
I'm pretty sure one city did remove them and then Flock just came and put new ones up which is what lead to the trash bags.
INHALE_VEGETABLES@aussie.zone · 2 pts · 80d
We don't do that here bro
SethTaylor@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 80d
Why read all article when some article good enough?
What am I? Some kind of readist? A phisosopher?
INHALE_VEGETABLES@aussie.zone · 2 pts · 80d
READING FOR NERDS
MrKoyun@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 77d
I in fact did not read the article.
sobchak@programming.dev · 3 pts · 80d
I've heard the excuse that they're private property so they can't. They're not hard to remove though. They're usually just attached to poles with pipe clamps.
CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 80d
I'm not so sure about that because even if they are privately owned, that doesn't mean they have the inherent right to be mounted on a city pole. The property isnt harmed by removing them from the pole and storing them in a deep underground bunker infested with Hanta Virus rats, black widows, and alligators.
Pulsar@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 80d
If I remember correctly the agreement is some kind of lease, so the city/county doesn't really own them after they are installed.
addie@feddit.uk · 16 pts · 81d
I'd like to think that the bag is step 1. Step 2 is to balance an old car tire on top, and set it on fire.
KillerWhale@orcas.enjoying.yachts · 29 pts · 81d
I love the theatrics of it, but surely something less polluting can achieve the same results
chiliedogg@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 80d
Guillotines?
felbane@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 80d
W3dd1e@lemmy.zip · 14 pts · 80d
This is an better idea. I was going to shoot them with a paintball gun.
ilinamorato@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 80d
iirc, paintball marker is slightly translucent, right? So maybe like...a sticker?
W3dd1e@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 80d
Some of the cameras by me are a little high up, which is why initially I thought paintball.
I bet I could fly a drone with a trash bag over it though.
ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net · 9 pts · 80d
One of those spray-can extension poles would probably work pretty well.
glitch1985@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 80d
Must have been a scary ghost that disabled those spy cameras.
Widdershins@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 80d
My neighbor used to put marbles in his paintball gun
hperrin@lemmy.ca · 10 pts · 81d
Good. That’s where they belong.
Pat_Riot@lemmy.today · 10 pts · 81d
Cool Hand Luke has a tutorial
4grams@awful.systems · 5 pts · 81d
Excellent reference.
mr_account@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 81d
Isn't this a problem that a can of spray paint can solve?
TherapyGary@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 13 pts · 81d
Use spray on flex seal instead, and go with the black one. It sticks better, and it can only be noticed by the lack of reflection from the lens. The police are unlikely to notice, because they rarely use flock by checking a specific camera (they typically just search the whole system for specific vehicles, from a map view), and if no one reports it it can go unfixed indefinitely
ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 81d
Or
Put a fucking bullet in it. Or ~100. Birdshot should do nicely.
volore@scribe.disroot.org · 10 pts · 81d
Sure, but then it's a lot easier to notice it's broken. It also makes a lot of noise, shooting a gun; a spray can is near silent.
ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 81d
It also can't be cleaned off as fast as paint, and costs more to replace.
TehWorld@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 80d
These cameras tend to be in fairly heavy traffic areas which makes guns a poor option.
ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 80d
Depends highly on the city/town, not everywhere is super active 24/7, some cities do sleep.
0ndead@infosec.pub · 9 pts · 81d
Be the change you want to see
mr_account@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 81d
Be the change you don't want them to see
NehpetsDoom@lemmy.zip · 7 pts · 80d
Trash bags just do that sometimes...
glitch1985@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 80d
Getting the plastic bag scene from American Beauty vibes.
captainlezbian@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 80d
I'm surprised Dayton is doing even that. It's a low bar, sure, but it's also Dayton.
LovableSidekick@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 80d
Article reminded me that some people say "by accident" (me) and some say "on accident" (my cousins).
jobbies@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 80d
Thats a journalist though. They should know better.
Sirdubdee@piefed.social · 4 pts · 80d
I wonder how safe the poles are, compared to well tested road signs that are up. Those easily break off when hit. Will you end up with a solar panel through your windshield in an accident? I feel like one good lawsuit could make Flock have to replace every one of them if a lawyer can convince 12 people that they are a physical danger.
Killer@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 80d
I've seen multiple videos showing they aren't installed properly and won't break away.
TryingToBeGood@reddthat.com · 3 pts · 80d
hee hee!
BromSwolligans@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 81d
Dayton represent.
caboose2006@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 80d
Just read the headline. Good
sureshot0@discuss.online · 1 pts · 80d
News to me. I wonder when, if ever, I will see this in real life.
Kolanaki@pawb.social · 7 pts · 80d
You don't have any trash bags?
sureshot0@discuss.online · 8 pts · 80d
I've never seen anyone covering Flock cameras nor have I ever seen an average person break a minor law without severe live-ruining repercussions. I have only ever heard of rich people breaking major laws without repercussions.
Kolanaki@pawb.social · 4 pts · 80d
You don't hear about it because they haven't been caught. Then again, we're talking about covering up a camera... 🤔
Wear a mask and clothing you have never been seen in before that you can dispose of afterward. Maybe use stilts so they'll be looking for a really tall fucker.
sureshot0@discuss.online · 4 pts · 80d
No, I mean I have never seen a flock camera with a bag over it.
StupidBrotherInLaw@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 80d
One can also purchase aerosol can extension poles for use with spray paint.
tekato@lemmy.world · -6 pts · 80d
If it’s already paid for might as well use them, what a waste of tax dollars. Or at least hit them with a bat and break them if you actually plan on not using them anymore. Covering them with plastic bags allows them to walk it back whenever they feel like it.