We never care of what's coming, we invent/discover something and use it for freaking everything instead of studying long term impact. It happens all the fucking time.
Asbestos really seemed like a miracle material. Its so easy to pull out of the ground and process into anything from tiles to fabric to brake disks. It's abundant, cheap, and easy to mine. In a world where it seemed everything was always catching on fire, asbestos was magically fireproof. It was saving houses and children and housewives from going up in flames if they got too near a stove or fireplace. It was revolutionising industry, making workplaces safer and more efficient. I really don't blame anyone for using it everywhere in those early years.
But greed took over after asbestos products flooded the market and the major health hazards became apparent. The corpos and the govts were too greedy and scared to admit it was dangerous, because that would mean choosing to dismantle a billions-dollar value strong industry and start recalling everything.
Exactly this. I knew this old retired fighter pilot guy, and he had asbestos gloves he held onto from his service days. He let me play with them at a BBQ once. You could straight up shove your hand into a pile of burning coals, hold it in your hand. Cool to the touch. It really seemed like magic. It really is a wonder-material. If not for the afromentioned cancer....
the mean consumption of LNCSs was 92.1 ± 90.1 mg/d.
What an absolutely ridiculous range of consumption for a study population.
Also the years they were collecting this data unfortunately had a whole pandemic occur. Covid is very well documented at causing long term mental decline. I'd like to see how many of their study group had confirmed covid infectious.
Overall I'm not saying it's not worth further investigation, but there are far too many unknown variables that the study did not control for. Rate and frequency of consumption are huge.
Basically, the fact that they allowed people consuming 2 mg and 182.2 mg into the same study group is insane.
Also considering 1 can (12 fl oz) diet coke contains about 184 mg of aspartame, they didn't even bother to study an interesting group. I'm sure you could find 100 people that consume at least 2 cans worth a day.
Honestly I'm curious how someone consumes only 2mg of aspartame a day. That's about 1 ml of diet coke
I think it will be much less pronounced. The negative effects of plastic in the body are relatively unknown, but IMO I think it will mostly pose as neurodevelopmental-like symptoms which won't be able to compare with either lead or asbestos.
And the environmental consequences? The majority just doesn't worry about that.
It definitely won't be as bad as asbestos where inhaling just a single fiber can cause cancer. Lead, maybe, but lead is still widely used. Just not in normal fuel. We still use it in some aviation fuel though.
I imagine it's gonna give people hormone problems more than neurodevelopmental problems.
We're probably going to see more giant babies and kids that are going into puberty younger and younger, and more instances of acromegaly in organs that are hormone responsive, like breasts and genitalia, and an increased predisposition to obesity since body fat is also a hormone soak.
There's probably gonna be more issues on top of that, probably with stress on the liver, kidneys, and heart to process the increased and more variable hormones that human beings are exposed to.
And I imagine there's going to be a mean regression in human lifespan due to all of these factors combined.
There are also many types of plastic with very different chemicals.
I wonder if the next asbestos is carbon fibre, as it's a popular infill for 3d printing, yet it is also made of nano needles that can destroy people's lungs (at least large scale, it's why it's usually cut underwater).
This is what I'm talking about: https://www.novintrades.com/articles/241
When cutting either CF or fiberglass, one should be wearing PPE to protect the skin and lungs, yet we have people printing CF infill and sanding it down without as much as a warning on the filament box.
I'm not an expert on this topic, but as a hobbyist, I find it interesting how little is known or warned about the safety of materials we're using for printing.
Yeah, I mean wear the PPE. You should honestly do that if you're cutting anything that creates dust.
Carbon fiber filament is really hust carbon fiber reinforced though. For example PLA-CF or PETG-CF is still a plastic filament, but it has tiny slivers of carbonfiber in it to give it more structure and rigidity. I assume that makes it less dangerous because the fibers are trapped in the plastic.
I agree that there could be more awareness of safety. For instance I wonder how many people don't realize that polycarbonate prints with toxic fumes and needs to be done in an enclosed printer with an air filter. Or ABS, for that matter.
I like PETG cause there are no fumes. It doesn't even have a smell. PLA printing smells like waffles with syrup to me, but PLA fumes aren't toxic. Its physical properties are weaker than PETG though
Some plastics are worse than others. ABS, BPA, BPS, PFAS, etc. are really bad. Polycarbonate releases toxic fumes during manufacturing but it's considered non-toxic afterwards.
PLA is plant-based and decomposable. Polyethylene is inert/non-reactive and non-toxic. Cellophane is literally made from cellulose.
I don't really know about polypropylene, polyurethane, polystyrene, or polyester.
Then there's vinyl and nylon. Fairly certain those are inert and non-toxic, but I'm not 100% certain.
Then you've got latex and natural rubber which some people have allergies to but they aren't intrinsically toxic as far as I'm aware. Synthetic rubbers vary in toxicity. I don't know about neoprene for instance, but silicon is inert and non-toxic.
The problem is "plastic" is such a broad term, and to a lot of people, all of the above are just "plastic." The fact is there are a variety of plastics and choosing your material intelligently can make all the difference.
Of course, microplastics are a whole nother issue even aside from toxicity...
Isn't it asbestos dust that's the issue? Like asbestos in the walls isn't harming anyone, but if it gets demolished or destroyed then the dust is what causes issues?
At least that's what I heard, but it could be wrong. And I guess scraping the pipe might create some dust anyway...
They all seem sealed with a black varnish, and I have personally never held one or been able to look at the bowl or stem to see if they're coated as well.
Naturally, both the stem and the bowl would lightly cake with carbon over time, 5-6 bowls before it's on everything evenly.
The dust is actually fine needles that cause chronic inflammation in lungs, which triggers cancer.
But this can happen with any fibres. Lately everyone is using carbon fiber and it's as bad as asbestos.
Pipe Tobacco is almost never inhaled by pipe smokers if they never smoked cigarettes beforehand, and pipe enthusiasts are more anal about natural tobacco and unnatural additives.
This is one of the difficult parts of reading up on lung cancers between both groups. I couldn't find any studies pointing directly at "pipe and only pipe smoking", as the population pools for testing people dwindled rather quickly by the late 1980's since pipe smoking was mostly gone outside of hobbyists.
I'd pair this up with vaping/snus in the harm-reduction camp if that's true. I wouldn't consider any type of smoke entering your body as entirely harm-free... or vapor, or nicotine for that matter.
That is the most likely risk, but that tends to be more associated with chewing tobacco and dip if you're going by how saturated the individual is by the medium vs severity of the risk.
Vaping... is the really iffy one. Who made the juice? What's in it? What's the coil made of? Does it dissolve into the vapor? How much? Does too much heat effect it chemically? Yada yada.
Who made the juice? What's in it? What's the coil made of? Does it dissolve into the vapor? How much? Does too much heat effect it chemically? Yada yada.
That can all be applied in some part to tobacco as well.
Unfortunately a LOT of water distribution in the US is done in lead pips, That's the whole damn flint water crisis. They don't replace them because left undisturbed they're not shedding at a dangerous rate, but once you fuck around with flow and pressure, it gets bad real quick.
Indeed, but if it makes you feel better, our last visible crisis ended 10 years ago. incidentally, they still have lead pipes going to hundreds of houses there....
As far as i know this was not much of a problem the older the pipes got, because the pipes would accumulate a layer of calcium carbonate deposits from the untreated water over time.
Looks like a 'shirts vs skins' game of 'dont catch the cancer'. Bad news for the skins team if the don't have sunscreen on! (Who are we kidding, we know they dont...)
Did you know? Clean, fresh air has a natural tingling effect. Most places these days are so polluted with toxins that we never experience perfectly clean air anymore.
Red cheetos weren't killing people, that's why they looked into that. Cancer-can here, with a proven history of being deadly, would look a-ok to them if they were still made. They'd probably issue a fake commercial made under the name of whatever agency should definitely not approve of this where whey literally spray this on burning meat on a bbq then gobble it with a glass of old refried grease.
All I can find is a 1983 study on rats that show some negative effect on reproduction and physical activity with significant amount of it in their diet, while non-dose dependant effect where also measured. The sample was less than fifty rats for each group, and the results where all over the place (2.5% of the diet caused similar to more damage than 10% of the diet).
You'd have to eat ton of the stuff, almost exclusively, to even reach levels that are considered still safe for humans. Beyond that, it's not more dangerous than chili.
But everything has "less than dangerous levels" of something. Our water bottle have less than dangerous micro plastics, our food has less than dangerous additives, ect.
And we wonder why cancer and neurological conditions are getting worse.
Yes, that was… my point? You'd need to ingest so much food for this to reach a level that's still considered safe that you'd probably have a lot of other issues before reaching that point.
And my point is we crossed that point when everyone we eat has these in them. I'm sure this is why adah and cancer is blowing up. It's our food supply.
I hate how every time we come up with a new "miracle" chemical that solves really big issues it ends up being either carcinogenic or devastatingly harmful to the environment.
It's like how we almost made bed bugs extinct in America but the chemical being used was causing cancer and birth defects.
We discovered plastics, which pretty much is a miracle chemicle, they're mostly not even that harmful unless you make a gigaton of it and just kind of dump it absolutely everywhere
First there was just cheese. Then we refined that cheese into plastics. Because cheese is just a mere handful of polymers away from plastic. And you wonder why you get constipated when you eat too much cheese....
Then we got better and developed celluloid to make exploding billiard balls and false teeth from. It also got used to make pocket knife handles because you could make the most beautiful tortoise shell handles and Mother of Pearl, (the tortoises and oysters were very happy about that). And colored handles were bright and vibrant and stayed that way. But the off gassing would often rust the blades to dust in short order.
Today, we have a thousand different plastic formulations for a thousand different uses. And it's everywhere from soda bottles and cell phones, to cars, airplanes, artificial hips, and rocket ships. And even your balls.
H2O is a pretty nice chemical, that makes people drinking it less thristy, and is good for plants and animals as well. Just be careful that you don't have too much of it, and you are good.
⚠️Stay away from dihydrogen monoxide (DHMO).⚠️ This dangerous chemical shows an 100% fatality rate for those who have consumed it, and can cause instant death when inhaled.
True story: drinking actually pure water can kill you.
For the ignorant down vote:
• Direct effects on the intestinal mucous membrane, metabolism and mineral homeostasis or
other body functions.
• Little or no intake of calcium and magnesium from low-mineral water.
• Low intake of other essential elements and microelements.
• Loss of calcium, magnesium and other essential elements in prepared food.
• Possible increased dietary intake of toxic metals.
that would require us to be in control of our own lives, instead of rich owning us. thorough research costs a lot of money and resources. it would cut into profits and some rich guy might not be able to buy third yact.
Because we live by the p-value today. We'd rather get eaten alive by bed bugs every night for the next 60 years instead of having up to a 20% increased chance of developing cancer when we turn 73.
We can. Plenty of good stuff. Or at least, not terrible stuff. But it makes more profit to get something out quick and see how it goes than do long, serious, costly research before releasing a product.
Well that and there's always the manufacturing issue wherein you could make something that does everything you want but it's a bitch to manufacture, maintain, or install. A good example is lead pipes were a known issue but the hope was that calcium buildup would help solve the problem before it became a problem, galvanized steel technically existed at the time but manufacturing it in the quantities needed was a bitch and Iron pipes would just burst constantly so that was dead in the water.
Good god. Lemme guess, the propellant in that can are CFCs and they added lead to lubricate the spray since it kept clogging the nozzle. May as well add arsenic for flavor.
It's always interesting how amazing things always turn out to be deadly. Like Ephedrine was a miracle weight loss drug, asbestos is a fantastic insulator, ect. I'm waiting for the GLP1 crap everyone is taking to have insane effects in a few years.
It's pretty well known they're unhealthy, although sometimes this gets ignored. As a non-smoker it bugs me that these sometimes get a pass to be used indoors.
Not if you live in the UK. NHS MDs don't make as much as other countries, and the are trivially easy to buy off. So, they use the language "safer than smoking" to cover their cuntish asses even though they know the truth. All the time taking consultancy fees.
And when he inevitably dies from cancer, no one will know if it was the asbestos, the cigarettes, the daily bottle of Bourbon, the lead, the Desert Rock exercises, or the Agent Orange.
As it so happens, asbestos is actually much less harmful when you drink it, because it doesn't get lodged in your lungs. (Iirc) So having asbestos pipes is fine
Growing up my parents house had asbestos tiles on the basement floor and asbestos insulation in the attic. Probably had this shit sprayed on the pipes and ducts also. And look at me, I’m perfectly f
To be fair, it takes a long time to give you cancer and in the meantime it's really good at not catching fire. Some of the shit people did in the past seems crazy but if asbestos was discovered today we would probably do most of the same shit.
I remember the first time I huffed canned asbestos. Woke up six days later in Graceland, Memphis, Tennessee; dressed like Santa Claus in the middle of April.
10/10 experience. Totally worth the deliberating lung cancer.
the abestos dust is more likely to cause problems. this isnt specific to to abestos, but silica dust, or some rocks tha tproduce a very fine powder, or anything that produces a fine particulate that can get into the lungs.
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Phantaloons@piefed.zip · 86 pts · 76d
I learned there were asbestos tobacco pipes like a week ago. Humanity really didn't see any of this coming.
Asbestos tobacco pipes are insanely rare and collectible these days, though. No one dares smoke them, more historical discussion pieces.
Goun@lemmy.ml · 51 pts · 76d
We never care of what's coming, we invent/discover something and use it for freaking everything instead of studying long term impact. It happens all the fucking time.
Agent641@lemmy.world · 67 pts · 76d
Asbestos really seemed like a miracle material. Its so easy to pull out of the ground and process into anything from tiles to fabric to brake disks. It's abundant, cheap, and easy to mine. In a world where it seemed everything was always catching on fire, asbestos was magically fireproof. It was saving houses and children and housewives from going up in flames if they got too near a stove or fireplace. It was revolutionising industry, making workplaces safer and more efficient. I really don't blame anyone for using it everywhere in those early years.
But greed took over after asbestos products flooded the market and the major health hazards became apparent. The corpos and the govts were too greedy and scared to admit it was dangerous, because that would mean choosing to dismantle a billions-dollar value strong industry and start recalling everything.
MintyFresh@lemmy.world · 32 pts · 76d
Exactly this. I knew this old retired fighter pilot guy, and he had asbestos gloves he held onto from his service days. He let me play with them at a BBQ once. You could straight up shove your hand into a pile of burning coals, hold it in your hand. Cool to the touch. It really seemed like magic. It really is a wonder-material. If not for the afromentioned cancer....
kwarg@mander.xyz · 5 pts · 75d
it almost sounds like you are talking abour AI
Amir@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 74d
More like PFAS
DaTingGoBrrr@lemmy.ml · 13 pts · 76d
Like with aspartame. There was no legit long term studies done until recently and it showed that aspartame can reduce intelligence
nickiwest@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 76d
Wow. Thanks for mentioning this. I had no idea.
I found this study published in the journal of the American Academy of Neurology just last year. The results are kind of horrifying. And it's not only aspartame -- they made similar connections with other low-calorie sweeteners.
arrow74@lemmy.zip · 21 pts · 76d
There seem to be problems with their study
Here's the first glaring one:
What an absolutely ridiculous range of consumption for a study population.
Also the years they were collecting this data unfortunately had a whole pandemic occur. Covid is very well documented at causing long term mental decline. I'd like to see how many of their study group had confirmed covid infectious.
Overall I'm not saying it's not worth further investigation, but there are far too many unknown variables that the study did not control for. Rate and frequency of consumption are huge.
Amir@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 74d
Wait is this ± 1 standard deviation? So basically, it's either 0 or 180 in a binary choice?
arrow74@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 74d
Basically, the fact that they allowed people consuming 2 mg and 182.2 mg into the same study group is insane.
Also considering 1 can (12 fl oz) diet coke contains about 184 mg of aspartame, they didn't even bother to study an interesting group. I'm sure you could find 100 people that consume at least 2 cans worth a day.
Honestly I'm curious how someone consumes only 2mg of aspartame a day. That's about 1 ml of diet coke
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz · 5 pts · 75d
I had assumed people who drink aspartame products already have low intelligence. Are you sure it's not selection bias?
GenosseFlosse@feddit.org · 18 pts · 76d
I guess People will look at plastic in the future like we look at lead and asbestos now....
VonReposti@feddit.dk · 12 pts · 76d
I think it will be much less pronounced. The negative effects of plastic in the body are relatively unknown, but IMO I think it will mostly pose as neurodevelopmental-like symptoms which won't be able to compare with either lead or asbestos.
And the environmental consequences? The majority just doesn't worry about that.
It definitely won't be as bad as asbestos where inhaling just a single fiber can cause cancer. Lead, maybe, but lead is still widely used. Just not in normal fuel. We still use it in some aviation fuel though.
bizarroland@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 76d
I imagine it's gonna give people hormone problems more than neurodevelopmental problems.
We're probably going to see more giant babies and kids that are going into puberty younger and younger, and more instances of acromegaly in organs that are hormone responsive, like breasts and genitalia, and an increased predisposition to obesity since body fat is also a hormone soak.
There's probably gonna be more issues on top of that, probably with stress on the liver, kidneys, and heart to process the increased and more variable hormones that human beings are exposed to.
And I imagine there's going to be a mean regression in human lifespan due to all of these factors combined.
filcuk@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 76d
There are also many types of plastic with very different chemicals.
I wonder if the next asbestos is carbon fibre, as it's a popular infill for 3d printing, yet it is also made of nano needles that can destroy people's lungs (at least large scale, it's why it's usually cut underwater).
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 75d
If the needles were the issue then people would have to stop using fiberglass insulation and gypsum board drywall too.
The abrasiveness is a completely separate concern from the toxicity.
filcuk@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 75d
This is what I'm talking about: https://www.novintrades.com/articles/241
When cutting either CF or fiberglass, one should be wearing PPE to protect the skin and lungs, yet we have people printing CF infill and sanding it down without as much as a warning on the filament box.
I'm not an expert on this topic, but as a hobbyist, I find it interesting how little is known or warned about the safety of materials we're using for printing.
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 75d
Yeah, I mean wear the PPE. You should honestly do that if you're cutting anything that creates dust.
Carbon fiber filament is really hust carbon fiber reinforced though. For example PLA-CF or PETG-CF is still a plastic filament, but it has tiny slivers of carbonfiber in it to give it more structure and rigidity. I assume that makes it less dangerous because the fibers are trapped in the plastic.
I agree that there could be more awareness of safety. For instance I wonder how many people don't realize that polycarbonate prints with toxic fumes and needs to be done in an enclosed printer with an air filter. Or ABS, for that matter.
I like PETG cause there are no fumes. It doesn't even have a smell. PLA printing smells like waffles with syrup to me, but PLA fumes aren't toxic. Its physical properties are weaker than PETG though
plutopos@lemmy.zip · 9 pts · 76d
It's impossible because there is no control group for microplastic
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz · 5 pts · 75d
Some plastics are worse than others. ABS, BPA, BPS, PFAS, etc. are really bad. Polycarbonate releases toxic fumes during manufacturing but it's considered non-toxic afterwards.
PLA is plant-based and decomposable. Polyethylene is inert/non-reactive and non-toxic. Cellophane is literally made from cellulose.
I don't really know about polypropylene, polyurethane, polystyrene, or polyester.
Then there's vinyl and nylon. Fairly certain those are inert and non-toxic, but I'm not 100% certain.
Then you've got latex and natural rubber which some people have allergies to but they aren't intrinsically toxic as far as I'm aware. Synthetic rubbers vary in toxicity. I don't know about neoprene for instance, but silicon is inert and non-toxic.
The problem is "plastic" is such a broad term, and to a lot of people, all of the above are just "plastic." The fact is there are a variety of plastics and choosing your material intelligently can make all the difference.
Of course, microplastics are a whole nother issue even aside from toxicity...
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 75d
And PTFE (teflon)
daggermoon@piefed.world · 12 pts · 76d
We used to drink radium too.
filcuk@lemmy.zip · 12 pts · 76d
Ah the famous picture of a guy who's lower jaw just fell off after he kept drinking this.
Similarly well known 'radium girls'.
Horrific cases.
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz · 11 pts · 75d
Isn't it asbestos dust that's the issue? Like asbestos in the walls isn't harming anyone, but if it gets demolished or destroyed then the dust is what causes issues?
At least that's what I heard, but it could be wrong. And I guess scraping the pipe might create some dust anyway...
Phantaloons@piefed.zip · 2 pts · 75d
They all seem sealed with a black varnish, and I have personally never held one or been able to look at the bowl or stem to see if they're coated as well.
Naturally, both the stem and the bowl would lightly cake with carbon over time, 5-6 bowls before it's on everything evenly.
Find one and be the hypothesis lol.
I'll stick to briar
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 75d
The dust is actually fine needles that cause chronic inflammation in lungs, which triggers cancer. But this can happen with any fibres. Lately everyone is using carbon fiber and it's as bad as asbestos.
cornshark@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 75d
Oh shit, that would make smoking really bad for your lungs. You could even get lung cancer
Phantaloons@piefed.zip · 2 pts · 75d
Fun Fact!
Pipe Tobacco is almost never inhaled by pipe smokers if they never smoked cigarettes beforehand, and pipe enthusiasts are more anal about natural tobacco and unnatural additives.
This is one of the difficult parts of reading up on lung cancers between both groups. I couldn't find any studies pointing directly at "pipe and only pipe smoking", as the population pools for testing people dwindled rather quickly by the late 1980's since pipe smoking was mostly gone outside of hobbyists.
I'd pair this up with vaping/snus in the harm-reduction camp if that's true. I wouldn't consider any type of smoke entering your body as entirely harm-free... or vapor, or nicotine for that matter.
Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 75d
AFAIK they are more likely to get somethijg like mouth cancer instead.
Phantaloons@piefed.zip · 2 pts · 75d
That is the most likely risk, but that tends to be more associated with chewing tobacco and dip if you're going by how saturated the individual is by the medium vs severity of the risk.
Vaping... is the really iffy one. Who made the juice? What's in it? What's the coil made of? Does it dissolve into the vapor? How much? Does too much heat effect it chemically? Yada yada.
Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 75d
No in favor of smoking or vaping but...
That can all be applied in some part to tobacco as well.
RecursiveParadox@piefed.social · 1 pts · 75d
All crucial things to know. I'm lucky in that I know how to research supply chains and can afford juices made in Greece and France.
The heating part (that whole study was bullshit) you WILL know if it's not right as soon as you inhale burning coil.
cornshark@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 75d
What do you mean pipe smokers don't inhale pipe tobacco? What do they do with the pipe then?
Phantaloons@piefed.zip · 1 pts · 75d
Taste it and let it roll on, same as cigars. Don't take my word for it, any other source will say the same.
ijustliketrains@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 75d
Wait til you learn about what they used to put in cigarette filters
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 75d
Millions of cars used asbestos brake pads from the 50s to the 1990s.
spitfire@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 75d
They’ve used pipes with lead in them for water ducts in Ancient Rome IIRC
Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 75d
We still do.
spitfire@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 75d
Who do you mean by „we”? Italians?
rumba@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 75d
Unfortunately a LOT of water distribution in the US is done in lead pips, That's the whole damn flint water crisis. They don't replace them because left undisturbed they're not shedding at a dangerous rate, but once you fuck around with flow and pressure, it gets bad real quick.
ironhydroxide@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 74d
Or changing the chemical package you add to the water to, for example, prevent scaling in pipes.
spitfire@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 75d
Oof, I should have guessed it’s US&A.
rumba@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 75d
Indeed, but if it makes you feel better, our last visible crisis ended 10 years ago. incidentally, they still have lead pipes going to hundreds of houses there....
Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 75d
No, Germans. ->: https://www.verbraucherzentrale.de/wissen/umwelt-haushalt/wasser/bleileitungen-verboten-leitfaden-zum-austausch-von-bleirohren-ab-2026-116272
And in "We" I meant the world population having old stock of lead in ground that are generally safe if handled properly.
GenosseFlosse@feddit.org · 1 pts · 75d
As far as i know this was not much of a problem the older the pipes got, because the pipes would accumulate a layer of calcium carbonate deposits from the untreated water over time.
SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world · 50 pts · 76d
Asbestos shoveling competition
Syndication@lemmy.today · 15 pts · 76d
Ganbat@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 75d
The first time I saw this kind of message said unironically was here on Lemmy.
ivanafterall@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 76d
That seems unwise.
SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 76d
It's breath taking
MrEff@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 75d
Looks like a 'shirts vs skins' game of 'dont catch the cancer'. Bad news for the skins team if the don't have sunscreen on! (Who are we kidding, we know they dont...)
crazycraw@crazypeople.online · 45 pts · 76d
the tingling let's you know it's working.
papalonian@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 76d
Did you know? Clean, fresh air has a natural tingling effect. Most places these days are so polluted with toxins that we never experience perfectly clean air anymore.
That's where asbestos comes in.
crazycraw@crazypeople.online · 17 pts · 76d
Asbestos. is there anything it can't do?™
zurohki@aussie.zone · 10 pts · 76d
To be fair it was kind of magical other than, you know, the cancer thing.
WanderWisley@lemmy.world · 29 pts · 75d
veni_vedi_veni@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 75d
Doromad radioactive toothpaste.
FluorideMind@lemmy.world · 29 pts · 75d
At least he has his safety squints on.
Syndication@lemmy.today · 27 pts · 76d
krisevol@lemmus.org · 0 pts · 76d
From the guy that banned red chettos? Idk about all that.
cley_faye@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 75d
Red cheetos weren't killing people, that's why they looked into that. Cancer-can here, with a proven history of being deadly, would look a-ok to them if they were still made. They'd probably issue a fake commercial made under the name of whatever agency should definitely not approve of this where whey literally spray this on burning meat on a bbq then gobble it with a glass of old refried grease.
krisevol@lemmus.org · -1 pts · 75d
Isn't red 40 linked at neurological conditions?
cley_faye@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 75d
All I can find is a 1983 study on rats that show some negative effect on reproduction and physical activity with significant amount of it in their diet, while non-dose dependant effect where also measured. The sample was less than fifty rats for each group, and the results where all over the place (2.5% of the diet caused similar to more damage than 10% of the diet).
You'd have to eat ton of the stuff, almost exclusively, to even reach levels that are considered still safe for humans. Beyond that, it's not more dangerous than chili.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 74d
tested an legal to use in Canada and EU.
RFK just needs to look useful.
krisevol@lemmus.org · 0 pts · 75d
But everything has "less than dangerous levels" of something. Our water bottle have less than dangerous micro plastics, our food has less than dangerous additives, ect.
And we wonder why cancer and neurological conditions are getting worse.
A bb gun probably won't kill you, but 1000 would.
cley_faye@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 74d
Yes, that was… my point? You'd need to ingest so much food for this to reach a level that's still considered safe that you'd probably have a lot of other issues before reaching that point.
krisevol@lemmus.org · -1 pts · 74d
And my point is we crossed that point when everyone we eat has these in them. I'm sure this is why adah and cancer is blowing up. It's our food supply.
Natanael@infosec.pub · 3 pts · 75d
Raw milk dude definitely don't care
green_goglin@thelemmy.club · 2 pts · 75d
Fuckfuckmyfuckingass@lemmy.world · 26 pts · 76d
The plus side of it being liquid is it probably wouldn't be very friable and not wind up in your lungs, until it dries out that is.
AscendantSquid@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 76d
I've had deep fried kool-aid at the state fair before, so I bet this is pretty friable
plutopos@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 76d
how do you even begin deep-frying kool-aid
captainlezbian@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 76d
You start with American ingenuity. Or Scottish, those fuckers can fry anything
PapaStevesy@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 76d
You'll have to freeze it first
SubArcticTundra@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 76d
Sounds perfect for face painting
Remember_the_tooth@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 76d
ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 75d
I hate how every time we come up with a new "miracle" chemical that solves really big issues it ends up being either carcinogenic or devastatingly harmful to the environment.
It's like how we almost made bed bugs extinct in America but the chemical being used was causing cancer and birth defects.
Why can't we have nice chemical things!?!?
EddoWagt@feddit.nl · 14 pts · 75d
We discovered plastics, which pretty much is a miracle chemicle, they're mostly not even that harmful unless you make a gigaton of it and just kind of dump it absolutely everywhere
ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 75d
Glares in microplastics in my balls
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 75d
glares at microplastics in his balls
Paper_Phrog@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 75d
If they turn see-through then you have too much micro plastic content in them I think.
Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 75d
That's a different issue, ballsack plasticity
Ferroto@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 75d
Bluewing@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 75d
First there was just cheese. Then we refined that cheese into plastics. Because cheese is just a mere handful of polymers away from plastic. And you wonder why you get constipated when you eat too much cheese....
Then we got better and developed celluloid to make exploding billiard balls and false teeth from. It also got used to make pocket knife handles because you could make the most beautiful tortoise shell handles and Mother of Pearl, (the tortoises and oysters were very happy about that). And colored handles were bright and vibrant and stayed that way. But the off gassing would often rust the blades to dust in short order.
Today, we have a thousand different plastic formulations for a thousand different uses. And it's everywhere from soda bottles and cell phones, to cars, airplanes, artificial hips, and rocket ships. And even your balls.
It's a brave new plastic world.
EddoWagt@feddit.nl · 1 pts · 74d
I do like cheese
cmhe@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 75d
H2O is a pretty nice chemical, that makes people drinking it less thristy, and is good for plants and animals as well. Just be careful that you don't have too much of it, and you are good.
sudoer777@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 75d
⚠️Stay away from dihydrogen monoxide (DHMO).⚠️ This dangerous chemical shows an 100% fatality rate for those who have consumed it, and can cause instant death when inhaled.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 75d
True story: drinking actually pure water can kill you.
For the ignorant down vote:
• Direct effects on the intestinal mucous membrane, metabolism and mineral homeostasis or other body functions. • Little or no intake of calcium and magnesium from low-mineral water. • Low intake of other essential elements and microelements. • Loss of calcium, magnesium and other essential elements in prepared food. • Possible increased dietary intake of toxic metals.
https://aguaenmexico.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/WHO-HEALTH-RISKS-FROM-DRINKING-DEMINERALISED-WATER.pdf
reksas@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 74d
that would require us to be in control of our own lives, instead of rich owning us. thorough research costs a lot of money and resources. it would cut into profits and some rich guy might not be able to buy third yact.
lastlybutfirstly@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 75d
Because we live by the p-value today. We'd rather get eaten alive by bed bugs every night for the next 60 years instead of having up to a 20% increased chance of developing cancer when we turn 73.
cley_faye@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 75d
We can. Plenty of good stuff. Or at least, not terrible stuff. But it makes more profit to get something out quick and see how it goes than do long, serious, costly research before releasing a product.
vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 75d
Well that and there's always the manufacturing issue wherein you could make something that does everything you want but it's a bitch to manufacture, maintain, or install. A good example is lead pipes were a known issue but the hope was that calcium buildup would help solve the problem before it became a problem, galvanized steel technically existed at the time but manufacturing it in the quantities needed was a bitch and Iron pipes would just burst constantly so that was dead in the water.
dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 75d
Good god. Lemme guess, the propellant in that can are CFCs and they added lead to lubricate the spray since it kept clogging the nozzle. May as well add arsenic for flavor.
Tiral@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 74d
It's always interesting how amazing things always turn out to be deadly. Like Ephedrine was a miracle weight loss drug, asbestos is a fantastic insulator, ect. I'm waiting for the GLP1 crap everyone is taking to have insane effects in a few years.
minkymunkey_7_7@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 74d
Even oxygen is destroying all life on the planet.
Cellari@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 76d
Spray on insulation that is fire and mould resistant. Sounds good
plutopos@lemmy.zip · 14 pts · 76d
Carrying this instead of pepper spray /j
mech@feddit.org · 24 pts · 76d
Great, so the person attacking you dies in 20 years.
plutopos@lemmy.zip · 7 pts · 76d
Oh, you wouldn't need to spray it. No one would want to stay anywhere near you if you had a can of asbestos in your hand
vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 75d
This is also the reasoning I use with my deterrent grenade, I don't need to win you just need to lose as well.
This is a joke I sadly don't own any grenades.
Headofthebored@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 74d
youtube.com/watch?v=lrba6ICrCwQ
Lumisal@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 76d
Might be a lot faster in liquidized form
bizarroland@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 76d
Imagine mugging some guy and you get mesothelioma.
sydd@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 75d
There's a popular Western game with a plot like that.
tyr0sine@mander.xyz · 3 pts · 75d
IF YOU OR A LOVED ONE HAVE EV-
-MAY BE ENTITLED TO FINANCIAL COMPENSATION
Bluewing@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 75d
But they die in misery. Execution at it's finest.
kamen@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 75d
Sometimes I wonder what kinds of things we're using today that we still haven't found are toxic, carcinogenic or harmful in other ways...
Muffi@programming.dev · 8 pts · 75d
Microplastics is a solid contender
Newuser@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 75d
Don't we already know they are toxic ?
kandoh@reddthat.com · 5 pts · 74d
I think we're 20 years away from a lot of vaping law suits. Lots of people think they're healthy despite the evidence.
kamen@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 74d
It's pretty well known they're unhealthy, although sometimes this gets ignored. As a non-smoker it bugs me that these sometimes get a pass to be used indoors.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 74d
Not if you live in the UK. NHS MDs don't make as much as other countries, and the are trivially easy to buy off. So, they use the language "safer than smoking" to cover their cuntish asses even though they know the truth. All the time taking consultancy fees.
0x0@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 74d
I feel like we collectively forgot about "vape lung"
DFX4509B@lemmy.wtf · 13 pts · 76d
I can just feel the
If you or a loved one were diagnosed with mesothelioma, you may be entitled to financial compensationads pouring in with this.shininghero@pawb.social · 3 pts · 76d
The regular ad, or the Can-Can musical version?
DFX4509B@lemmy.wtf · 2 pts · 76d
The regular ad.
Etterra@discuss.online · 12 pts · 76d
I'll bet that's super safe and will never have any drawbacks ever for all time.
mech@feddit.org · 11 pts · 76d
Guy doesn't have to worry about that, he's been smoking 90 cigarettes a day since grade school.
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip · 9 pts · 76d
He's also only 20.
mech@feddit.org · 8 pts · 76d
And when he inevitably dies from cancer, no one will know if it was the asbestos, the cigarettes, the daily bottle of Bourbon, the lead, the Desert Rock exercises, or the Agent Orange.
grrgyle@slrpnk.net · 10 pts · 76d
No mask, enclosed space, right up in there with your face
elucubra@sopuli.xyz · 8 pts · 76d
That's why he's making that face
ThunderQueen@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 76d
SubArcticTundra@lemmy.ml · 10 pts · 76d
As it so happens, asbestos is actually much less harmful when you drink it, because it doesn't get lodged in your lungs. (Iirc) So having asbestos pipes is fine
No_Money_Just_Change@feddit.org · 23 pts · 76d
Yes, but having an aerosol spray is terrible
terranoid@lemmy.cafe · 9 pts · 76d
That look on his face like "lol I'm not going to be around to care about climate change or this bullshit"
mechoman444@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 75d
If you've been diagnosed with mesothelioma, you may be entitled to compensation.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 5 pts · 75d
call 1-800 at this lawfirm for a free consultation.
hakunawazo@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 74d
Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 7 pts · 75d
Imagine naming it ass best os.
ddplf@szmer.info · 9 pts · 75d
Where can I check out this distro?
Hupf@feddit.org · 3 pts · 75d
https://xkcd.com/37/
PattyMcB@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 74d
That's a sick-ass comic!
Emerald@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 74d
That’s a sick ass-comic!
Jerb322@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 76d
🎶"Keep on sniffing, until your brain goes pop! Keep on sniffing till your brain goes pop!"🎶
Luisp@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 6 pts · 76d
Now with extra lead
tomiant@piefed.social · 6 pts · 75d
It's shit like this why people don't take vaccines.
Simulation6@sopuli.xyz · 6 pts · 74d
Growing up my parents house had asbestos tiles on the basement floor and asbestos insulation in the attic. Probably had this shit sprayed on the pipes and ducts also. And look at me, I’m perfectly f
hakunawazo@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 74d
All your friends have lung cancer and you not?
Try liquified asbestos!
nova_ad_vitum@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 74d
To be fair, it takes a long time to give you cancer and in the meantime it's really good at not catching fire. Some of the shit people did in the past seems crazy but if asbestos was discovered today we would probably do most of the same shit.
farmgineer@nord.pub · 6 pts · 76d
The safety squint makes it harmless!
ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one · 6 pts · 76d
I remember the first time I huffed canned asbestos. Woke up six days later in Graceland, Memphis, Tennessee; dressed like Santa Claus in the middle of April.
10/10 experience. Totally worth the deliberating lung cancer.
Unpigged@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 76d
... and lungs.
llamatron@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 76d
What's a 'hot-air register'?
fonix232@fedia.io · 11 pts · 76d
Essentially a vent: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Register_(air_and_heating)
but closeable.
ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 75d
The first cigarette filters used asbestos.
vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works · 9 pts · 75d
Yeah we've had first cancer but what about second cancer.
Ceruleum@lemmy.wtf · 3 pts · 75d
Hobbit and Ork culture overlap a bit, it seems.
Ceruleum@lemmy.wtf · 3 pts · 75d
They added some lead powder as well? You know for the taste.
Proprietary_Blend@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 76d
Bzzd4lyf
cley_faye@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 75d
Cancer… in a can. That would make a banger ad.
percent@infosec.pub · 3 pts · 74d
And not the slightest hint of PPE in the image. Such a different time. I don't even spray water-based paints without a mask
LuminousLuddite@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 75d
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 3 pts · 75d
the abestos dust is more likely to cause problems. this isnt specific to to abestos, but silica dust, or some rocks tha tproduce a very fine powder, or anything that produces a fine particulate that can get into the lungs.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 7 pts · 75d
[sucking on vape] really?
Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 74d
That's oil, not sharp or hard enough to lead to silicosis. Though it probably leads to a whole different problem.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 74d
glycerol + heat = dihydroacetone , known carcinogen.
Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 74d
That would be the problem, lol
over_clox@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 76d
Amateur, we use vaporized asbestos aerosol around here, usually orange scented...
papalonian@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 76d
"keep on sprayin til it smells like a fresh cuppa OJ!"
turtlesareneat@piefed.ca · 2 pts · 76d
Forget your coat? Just make one out of handy pressurized Asbestos!
notso@feddit.org · 2 pts · 76d
Why does this guy look like Scott Bessent?
Tylerdurdon@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 76d
It's even better if Epstein puts it on for you.