In my story, he was not really fired. But a new hire in my company was handed his computer. Seeing it was on Windows, he asked to work on Linux instead. IT told him that Windows was mandatory so he resigned on the spot.
Based af, but he didn't even enjoy the burrito he ordered for lunch :(
I wish I had the half the resolve of that man. I had the choice between two evils, windows and mac, which resulted in me getting a mac, mostly out of curiosity. I hate it
When I joined up at my current job, they asked whether I wanted a Linux or Mac laptop. I, of course, took the Linux laptop. The recruiter laughed and said "no one ever picks Mac."
Now Macs are the only option because the IT department doesn't want to run any tool other than JAMF.
What boggles my mind is one of the execs who was there long before I was. He selected a Mac, then used Parallels to run Windows on it.
I also use a mac at work after being offered a choice between that and Windows. I hate it. But the MacBook Pro they provide is objectively more powerful than the HP windows laptops they provide, so here I am.
I switched to Mac about 15 years ago because I started writing iOS apps and you can only do that on a Mac. As a lifelong Windows user I was initially pretty dubious, but I soon came around. Now I hate MacOS and Windows equally.
You can develop the app (as in write the code) on any platform but Apple made it so iOS apps can only be compiled from Apple devices. There's no particular technical reason I'm aware of just they've designed their proprietary compiler that way and haven't released it cross platform.
That's laughable. Windows does not demand 100% control over their system. Windows is a you think you can do it let's see you go ahead and do it and fuck shit up. And when you do fuck it up you'll have a much more difficult time fixing it. On Linux it's a yeah go ahead fuck shit up Good luck here's a log should be easy to fix it but you got to make it work in the first place. On a Mac it's you'll get it from this space install it in this way or you won't use it at all.
Valid point, I feel the same. The whole concept of hiding UI elements for a better look, the weird upper bar and the shitty multimonitor support drive me insane.
It's still miles better than Windows and a lot worse than Linux with KDE. But to be fair, there are paid apps for changing the UI quite a lot. There's even one that gives you a Windows-like taskbar on a Mac.
The hiring team kept saying they had trouble finding designers and developers because nobody wants to work on a Windows computer.
And the owner went. "So why are we forcing everyone to use windows?"
And then one department pointed fingers at another, to another, to another. Apparently a decade ago, some IT dude got Microsoft kickbacks and left the company. The next month, the whole "Microsoft" rule faded away and now my department is running Linux laptops, the designers and devs have their macs, and the accountants are using windows.
Yeah, the guy in my story was to be a developer as well. Clearly it's way more confortable to work on Linux. The justification in my company is that the security protocols are already built for Windows so they don't want to redo the job on Linux. Handling to OS' would increase their work load.
Lol in my 20 years working in IT and IT security every desktop/laptop was windows except sometimes the people who needed to do graphics things (marketing) who were on MACs. Sure we had plenty of servers on linux, but standard for end points was always Windows. And every IT was sad that that's the state of affairs but accepted it. I've hated Windows since 95 and been on Linux since one of the first Slackware versions (it was at a time when to have floppy disk support you had to recompile the kernel), but you have to adapt to your environment or else you refuse maybe 99% of the jobs out there.
I mean seriously what an idiotic thing to resign over. Almost every single court environment is Windows only. Most of them very rarely have Linux exceptions. Some of them might have an Apple exception but usually that's only for executives. I mean unless he was a dab or something like that in which case it's a little bit more acceptable. But not by much.
on one hand it's easy enough to just run Linux on a VM if that's what you want to use. On the other, I think an element some might forget is that most new hires were also applying for other jobs at the same time and often have other offers live on the table.
I started using my own laptop instead of my assigned one like a week after i started and no one cares. I RDP into my work laptop when I occasionally need windows software.
To be fair I am one of 8 people in our IT department so your mileage may vary with this tactic.
I used to work in a large fishing ship as an engineer, there I became an atheist. Once there was a huge storm and we had to balance the ship to make sure it wouldnt roll, the guy who had to do it was praying and didnt have time to balance it, we almost died because he had mandatory pray time. From than we had a rule that there is no religion on the ship, once we come back to land than you can believe.
From what I hear of Islam on e.g. fasting it tends to be quite a practical religion. I'd not be surprised if that guy could in fact have not been praying at that moment and still stuck to all the teachings of his religion.
Apparently (I'm not a scholar but was curious) in dire situations that require immediate action they could've prayed while helping out, even shortening it out as long as the short (verbal?) prayer is done in honesty and the situation absolutely demands it. Apparently it's even outright disallowed to not safe yourself or others during life-and-death situations even if it prevents you from the mandatory prayer because preserving people's lifes and your own tops those rules, at least that's what I read so far. If that boat story is actually true that person probably was a dipshit who happened to break his own religion's rules.
Also looked up fasting: There seems to be even more leeway on that. Just do it later if you can't do it right now due to illness or similar, or pay "fidyah" (give poor people money for food).
Though I'm kinda curious how it's handled when someone is too old to fast but also poor as fuck, not a situation where you'd want to also feel guilty about this.
Same as every religion, there are extremists and ignorants, like all the christians ignoring the bible and the 10 commandments while pretending that the current president of the US was handpicked by their god to save them.
Or maybe the person thought "We're already beyond fucked, might as well die a pious death while praying, bet that will get me into the A list", or some variation of that.
Young, expectant, illness, or age are all specifically exempt from fasting. At least that is how it works for the Baha'is, and they are to Islam as Christianity is to Judaism, so I assume they copied the rest of the fasting rules verbatim. I do know that the Muslims fast from sunup to sundown same as Baha'i
Sure. I'm skeptical that any of those disciplines except perhaps extremely minor, strict ones teach that you have to continue praying, in your knees, in an emergency.
From speaking with Muslims during Ramadan, if there's a bona fide emergency that takes priority over prayer no questions asked. Anyone who says otherwise is an extremist or wrong.
There's a great scene in Das Boot where the crew ends up trapped on the bottom of the Straight of Gibraltar. One guy starts fingering his rosary beads and praying and another guy punches him in the face and says "cut that shit out, we've got work to do!"
This guy was only a "new co-worker" because I was the new employee, but: my first day on a new job I watched a guy get escorted out of the building by security carrying his shit in a cardboard box. His story ended up on the local news. Turned out he was running a prostitution ring from his office, using his work computer even. He had an 800 number that redirected to his office phone, and he kept track of his girls and customers on an Excel spreadsheet on his Windows desktop. The only reason he got caught was that the company upgraded everybody's computers, and they had techs check through all the old machines to make sure no important documents got deleted, and they found "CallGirls.xls" or something like that right on his desktop. Security through dumbassery.
Even before that, dude didn't even try to make it look plausibly legitimate so it didn't invite suspicion for when someone inevitably stumbled on the file.
Dude was definitely never a kid with only shared access to a computer, that's for sure...
Any mid to large size company has the USB ports of their desktop PCs disabled, disconnected or even glued shut. At least the ones that take security seriously.
I can't imagine doing my job with a computer like that. I need to be able to plug in scanners and label printers and other specialty equipment and swap out peripherals as they break like how would that even work?
Normally those are pre-approved by IT and you wouldn't be the one swapping those out. You would put in a request saying hey this item is broken can you please troubleshoot it and somebody would come out troubleshoot it and swap it out as needed.
Then IT needs to be onsite 24/7 and that's just not realistic for a looot of places. Especially not rural med but I'm in in a hospital in a mid to large size city I'm just in 50 bed or so location that's in a part of the city nobody GAF about.
Usb devices have addresses that include the vendor and product id. So IT can allow list from approved products or vendors and that will prevent people randomly plugging in devices and infecting the network. Though, it wouldnt stop a malcious device from spoofing an address from a approved device, but an targeted attack needs more sophisticatation security anyway.
I do a lot of work for a hospital system in the intermountain West. They do have rural locations. And they do have IT stuff that is on call 24/7 at every single one of their locations. So it's not unheard of it's not unusual it's pretty normal. I do a good chunk of the work I do for them which is mainly network and systems upgrades as well as Wi-Fi and access points. And I do most of it overnight with one of their IT staff.
As an employee of more years than I care to count, I can safely say the missing component here is "training". I know this because I am going through that right now (for at least the 20th time in my life).
Why I just leaned that you are NOT supposed to take assets from the company. Amazing knowledge to gain after all these years! They even added that "taking assets" even extends to "taking cash". Well, I'll say; I've never felt more informed in all my life!
How the heck did I make it this far in life without "knowing" that kind of information? Because everyone knows that employees don't know anything (or have any morals) until HR tells it to them. /s
A new, young PC technician was hired and from the get go he was practically blowing himself with claims he'll be promoted quickly, he could do the job of 2 people, nobody works harder than him. Less than 2 months into the job someone calls the dept asking where he is because he was supposed to swap out a PC for a director at an off-site location. His manager called his cell and asked where he was. He told em he was just finishing up Cathy's PC and he'll be back on site.
Manager: "Cathy just called me asking why you haven't shown up yet. So I'll ask again...where the hell are you?"
Turns out he was hung-the-fuck-over and napping at home. He got canned very quickly.
The people that scream the loudest about being hard working or intelligent usually aren't. If someone is good at something, they don't need to point it out.
The people that scream the loudest about being hard working or intelligent usually arenât.
Oh absolutely 110%. I could count on all my and your fingers and toes the number of coworkers I've had who spent half the day walking around chitchatting that they were the hardest worker, first in last out...they undeniably never were.
What's worse than both is "I've been doing this for X amount of years!" Because then they're both dumb and incompetent. If they say they have 20 years of experience usually it means 20X1st year of experience.
I know someone who got his dream job in Brazil. His plane landed and he asked his local host where he can get some halal lunch. He was told that there didn't seem to be any halal food options in the city that's the host knew of. Guy got on a same day flight and flew back home. This was 20 years ago.
If they're eating halal for reasons they dont seek to change (religious or otherwise) it can be extremely difficult to "cook at home" because you need to secure halal food sources, which if there aren't even any restaurants with halal food, it may be extremely difficult to secure halal ingredients
No. Halal is basically Kosher for Muslims. So much so that my Muslim friends are perfectly happy getting lunch at the local kosher deli. The animals must be butchered a very specific way, and overseen by a Jewish or Muslim authority to be kosher or halal respectively.
Yes, plant-based foods can be halal, and in many cases, they are by default. Fruits, vegetables, grains, nuts, and legumes are all naturally halal as long as they are not processed or prepared with haram substances. [...] If these foods are handled, flavoured, or packaged with non-halal ingredients such as alcohol, gelatine, or animal-derived enzymes, they may no longer be considered halal.
I don't know how reputable Halalification is, but it was high on the list of search results and the entire answer seems well-reasoned.
Made, produced, manufactured, processed, and stored using machinery, equipment, and/or utensils that have been cleaned according to Islamic law (shariah).
i don't know enough about Islamic law to say whether or not are default halal. They could be. I dunno!
I think that seafood is basically the same as with Kosher... so you can only eat things from the sea that have both fins and scales. Or is it gills and scales?
I worked with a Muslim in Amsterdam who ordered vegetarian because he was pretty sure it would be Halal. That was 20 years ago, so maybe he'd have an easier time eating non-vegetarian now? I see lots of Halal signs in restaurant windows, but who knows?
I think you got the post you're replying to completely backwards.
They're saying in that man's shoes, they'd adopt a diet like pescetarianism or become vegan, which would allow them to practice halal even without needing dedicated halal meat sources.
What city would that be? In SĂŁo Paulo there's plenty of halal restaurants, in Rio there's a couple. In other parts of the country could be more difficult.
Absolutely! Everyone wants to knock on small office jobs. The Office TV show is was a great example. Half the time it's people doing enough to keep the company running. The other half was dumb shit. Nobody was tracking your piss times or micromanaging how many M&Ms you ate.
But I absolutely had my ass micromanaged when I was working in a warehouse or a restaurant.
Back then yeah. I also had to ask for time off and often got denied.
I once got denied for time off to help a family member who was in the hospital who I was going to drive home.
I told them I'm not abandoning family and took off any way and got fired.
This was after I gave a months notice and marked my schedule unavailable.
I've also got fired for a similar situation but for a college final that I literally could not reschedule or miss.
Now I'm highly qualified and at a much better job. And I still, decades later, have a ton of anxiety about asking for off. And theyre like "if you need off, take off, why are you so worried about it?"
For some people, it is in fact difficult to compute said action.
Prayers are a spiritual experience and practice, whereas the only thing you get out of smoking is a medical bill. They still want the latter because it's a physical effect they can observe.
No later than 2 weeks ago a new marketing guy thought the best thing once he got his laptop was to start a thread of memes on Teams with everybody. People were already leaving left and right when I started paying attention to it. Unfortunately for him, when he sent an animation of a cartoon character doing a nazi salute I called him out on it saying that's not ok, the HR manager was still in the thread. Dude lasted half a day on this job.
Because they assumed it was a specific country based on nothing, that's something I've only seen Americans do. I mean the spirit is there, don't get me wrong.
Canada, if it's day one. There's a 3 month probation period where the requirements before you can fire someone are non-existent, though you still can't fire someone for illegal reasons.
That's funny, considering how many people have told me that most of the people in food service are high due to how stressful it is. Maybe heroin isn't the drug of choice, though.
Weed. It's easy to just hit a pen in the bathroom, and it relaxes you without making you literally incapable of doing the job. I'm sure other drugs are common in food service too, but the one I saw regularly was weed.
Negative minutes. Kid just out of college, the CMO (a monster of a human) had cosigned and bragged about how good this person was. They didn't show up first day, hour past, someone called and HE was upset that a car hadn't been sent to pick him up at home and he was waiting... Ridiculous in any scenario really, but this was in a car-brained major city where all people drove themselves, up to the CEO. Not common at all to have a car service. Was let go immediately in a probation period and CMO never mentioned it again.
A newly onboarded guy told everyone over lunch that the next day was going to be a bank holiday where he is from, so he won't come in to work. We told him that it's not a bank holiday around here. He became quite upset about this. Then the line manager got wind of that.
He didn't turn up the next day... or on any day after that.
If your company is run by someone who fires people openly in front of others, that's a red flag.
Even my absolute worst boss, who had a horrible temper, would rarely fire someone on the floor in front of coworkers. And that man was a walking red flag who got fired after about a year in his position, when his bosses finally found out how he treated his employees.
I assume that the company mentioned here didn't have a proper HR representative who knew and understood the law about religious discrimination.
My first job had a manager who loved "making examples out of people". One time, he threatened to fire a girl because she didn't organize something the way he wanted, and went on a speech about how he is to be respected and when the girl told the owner, they hired a second manager to potentially remove him.
He later went to jail for stabbing a guy at a bar, probably drunk. So he removed himself. He then became a cop. So that's cool.
Most responsible business owners understand the cost of hiring new employees, so they want to keep productive employees for as long as possible. And if middle managers are mistreating employees, a good business owner will do something about it.
Not to say that all business owners are good. Having worked for good and bad people, I can say that leaving a business with bad ownership is always a good thing in the long run, even if it hurts in the short term.
I worked in phones a decade ago and a new hire that I thought was cool lasted a week. I got a callback from a foreign client that was just hung up on after being slurred and insulted for not speaking fluent English by the new guy. We had call recording. It was very awkward to have to tell my boss about it and unfuck the client relationship.
One factory job had a couple days of orientation in a classroom before we started on the floor, but on day one we ended with a tour of the work areas. As we went around, someone working recognized one of the others in my group as a local methhead/rampant thief. We found out that's why he didn't come back when we started working with the others.
I would have fired him as well. Even if I had to pay him out. If he refuses to shake hands with anyone that would be an entire different matter, but the donât touch women rule some Muslims adhere to is rooted in sexism and misogyny.
It sounds like the court just didn't like the reason given for the firing. I'm guessing if they talked to their corporate lawyer first, and fired him for workplace discrimination, that would have been an entirely different court discussion.
But firing him for performance after 3 days on the job? That's an obvious lie.
You can't have "my body my choice" for some things and not others. The law/principle is applied universely, everyone has a right to deny touch or any other action to any part of their body from any other individual/group.
Funny how Muslims always get a pass by white liberals and some lefties when they are being bigoted or misogynistic. If this was a manosphere white misogynists who wouldnât shake hands with a woman yâall would never bring up the âmy body my choiceâ argument.
Sure they have the right to choose who they shake hands with or not but an employer also has the right to fire that person over that choice if shaking hands is part of the job and work culture and they don't want a misogynist working with their female employees.
Regardless of prejudices towards the perpetrator, I understand and agree with the idea of "my body, my rules". Yet, I feel like choosing not to shake hand of a specific group based on discrimination is wrong. Am I a hypocrite or am missing something?
You're not a hypocrite. It seems like a different version of the paradox of tolerance. Think of it more like a social contract. They broke it first so you aren't obligated to follow the rules when they don't.
If a Muslim doesn't want to shake hands with a woman then that's fine but it also means you can't work in jobs where you need to do that. Don't push your beliefs on other people. Just because you believe something doesn't mean the rest of the world needs to bend. We just need to respect your space to do it, or not do it.
If I couldn't drink alcohol for religious reason, it wouldn't be discrimination no one wanted to hire me as a wine sommelier.
If someone doesnât want to shake hands fine but they should apply that rule to everyone equally regardless of race, gender and religion. Otherwise itâs discrimination no matter the reason, religion is no excuse to discriminate. Especially in a professional business environment.
Huh. While you can argue the morality of this one until the cows come home, most places in AU use a "trial period" under which either party can walk away for any reason.
I worked as a tester for an embedded system, and there was a whole team of us. Our work was handed out in these big 3cm thick packets of testing sheets, with tables and graphs and instructions on how to test the system to make sure the code was safe for production.
A coworker was evidently not wanting to do his work one day, and "finished" a packet the same day it was handed to him. Now a single page of those tests could easily take you a half hour, assuming the arcane instructions were even clear to you.
It was probably a mix or "I don't get this" and "I don't feel like it".
Him "quitting" was because the other option was being fired and persecuted for falsifying safety documentation. He never actually did the tests, it was impossible to do so in less than a week, much less the day he claimed to do it in.
Not sure if this counts, as it's not quite getting fired, but a kid got dropped off for an interview, and as soon as he made it into the store lobby, the family member who drove him in did some donuts in the lot and peeled out.
His interview got cancelled because of that, and he just had to wait there to get picked up by someone else.
In what way is asking for a place where they can pray imposing their religion on others? It's a reasonable accommodation in the same way that not working on the sabbath would be.
Fuck muslims with a necrotic pork penis.
Frankly, it sounds like you've got your own issues with bigotry to get over. Maybe look in the mirror before projecting your problems onto others.
Tell that to the Christians. I've never been harassed by Muslims trying to convert me. The asshole hateful Christians come to my door, and don't just leave their bullshit at their homes.
I'm not trying to defend Christian evangelism here because it's annoying and harmful but I do have experience with Muslim friends attempting to convert me. More than a few actually. Certainly not as many or as often or as persistently as Christians and LDS and JWs but substantially more than never. I have no issues with most religion, but I do have a problem with evangelism. It's just advertising by another name. Waiting for evangelismblock plus to go with my adblock plus.
Fair enough, I just haven't run into it. I don't even find the Hare Krishna's, or Galung Fong at the airport annoying. They just ask for a donation. They don't proselytize.
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thedarkfly@feddit.org · 157 pts · 32d
In my story, he was not really fired. But a new hire in my company was handed his computer. Seeing it was on Windows, he asked to work on Linux instead. IT told him that Windows was mandatory so he resigned on the spot.
Based af, but he didn't even enjoy the burrito he ordered for lunch :(
Lulzagna@lemmy.world · 54 pts · 32d
That's a first round interview question for me
lichtmetzger@discuss.tchncs.de · 8 pts · 32d
Same. I am the only Linux person at my employer lol
HerbGrower@slrpnk.net · 5 pts · 32d
If they couldn't tell by my comments about windows, the socks should make it obvious.
wheez@lemmy.zip · 37 pts · 32d
I wish I had the half the resolve of that man. I had the choice between two evils, windows and mac, which resulted in me getting a mac, mostly out of curiosity. I hate it
toynbee@piefed.social · 31 pts · 32d
When I joined up at my current job, they asked whether I wanted a Linux or Mac laptop. I, of course, took the Linux laptop. The recruiter laughed and said "no one ever picks Mac."
Now Macs are the only option because the IT department doesn't want to run any tool other than JAMF.
What boggles my mind is one of the execs who was there long before I was. He selected a Mac, then used Parallels to run Windows on it.
GalacticSushi@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 21 pts · 32d
I also use a mac at work after being offered a choice between that and Windows. I hate it. But the MacBook Pro they provide is objectively more powerful than the HP windows laptops they provide, so here I am.
ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world · 25 pts · 32d
I switched to Mac about 15 years ago because I started writing iOS apps and you can only do that on a Mac. As a lifelong Windows user I was initially pretty dubious, but I soon came around. Now I hate MacOS and Windows equally.
0x0@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 32d
Why is that?
ThisUsernameKillsFascists@piefed.social · 30 pts · 32d
To sell more Macs
0x0@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 32d
I was hoping for a technical explanation.
I can cross-compile on Linux to Windows.
Why must i develop for Mac on a Mac?
ADTJ@feddit.uk · 9 pts · 32d
You can develop the app (as in write the code) on any platform but Apple made it so iOS apps can only be compiled from Apple devices. There's no particular technical reason I'm aware of just they've designed their proprietary compiler that way and haven't released it cross platform.
a_non_monotonic_function@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 32d
Windows and Apple both desire 100% control over their ecosystems l, including custom tooling and languages that may not exist elsewhere.
Reliance on other people's stuffeans less reliance on the OS provider. Hence why they have competing, well everything.
titanicx@lemmy.zip · -2 pts · 32d
That's laughable. Windows does not demand 100% control over their system. Windows is a you think you can do it let's see you go ahead and do it and fuck shit up. And when you do fuck it up you'll have a much more difficult time fixing it. On Linux it's a yeah go ahead fuck shit up Good luck here's a log should be easy to fix it but you got to make it work in the first place. On a Mac it's you'll get it from this space install it in this way or you won't use it at all.
a_non_monotonic_function@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 32d
Cool story.
Either way I'm really happy for you that you manage to fuck up every operating system, proprietary or not. Quite the achievement.
Passerby6497@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 32d
Apple being Apple
grue@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 32d
I don't mind using a Mac at work. It's just a BSD with a proprietary UI; it's close enough if that's the choice IT gives me.
Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de · 11 pts · 32d
I thought that's how it would be too, but I've got to admit that the UI gets on my nerves much more than I expected.
grue@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 32d
Just think of it as OpenStep, minus the "open" part. đ¤
lichtmetzger@discuss.tchncs.de · 2 pts · 32d
Valid point, I feel the same. The whole concept of hiding UI elements for a better look, the weird upper bar and the shitty multimonitor support drive me insane.
It's still miles better than Windows and a lot worse than Linux with KDE. But to be fair, there are paid apps for changing the UI quite a lot. There's even one that gives you a Windows-like taskbar on a Mac.
VitoRobles@lemmy.today · 31 pts · 32d
There's a famous story at my job about this.
The hiring team kept saying they had trouble finding designers and developers because nobody wants to work on a Windows computer.
And the owner went. "So why are we forcing everyone to use windows?"
And then one department pointed fingers at another, to another, to another. Apparently a decade ago, some IT dude got Microsoft kickbacks and left the company. The next month, the whole "Microsoft" rule faded away and now my department is running Linux laptops, the designers and devs have their macs, and the accountants are using windows.
thedarkfly@feddit.org · 9 pts · 32d
Yeah, the guy in my story was to be a developer as well. Clearly it's way more confortable to work on Linux. The justification in my company is that the security protocols are already built for Windows so they don't want to redo the job on Linux. Handling to OS' would increase their work load.
cRazi_man@europe.pub · 18 pts · 32d
Sounds like a man who has never been so disgusted in his life.
Nalivai@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 32d
Not asking about your workplace and tools during the interview is equally wild
thedarkfly@feddit.org · 5 pts · 32d
Absolutely. If you're so strict about this, you should definitely ask.
lietuva@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 32d
average lemmy user lol
northernlights@lemmy.today · 6 pts · 32d
Lol in my 20 years working in IT and IT security every desktop/laptop was windows except sometimes the people who needed to do graphics things (marketing) who were on MACs. Sure we had plenty of servers on linux, but standard for end points was always Windows. And every IT was sad that that's the state of affairs but accepted it. I've hated Windows since 95 and been on Linux since one of the first Slackware versions (it was at a time when to have floppy disk support you had to recompile the kernel), but you have to adapt to your environment or else you refuse maybe 99% of the jobs out there.
CultLeader4Hire@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 32d
90% of these stories are people just being wildly self sabotaging
titanicx@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 32d
I mean seriously what an idiotic thing to resign over. Almost every single court environment is Windows only. Most of them very rarely have Linux exceptions. Some of them might have an Apple exception but usually that's only for executives. I mean unless he was a dab or something like that in which case it's a little bit more acceptable. But not by much.
skisnow@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 32d
on one hand it's easy enough to just run Linux on a VM if that's what you want to use. On the other, I think an element some might forget is that most new hires were also applying for other jobs at the same time and often have other offers live on the table.
HerbGrower@slrpnk.net · 4 pts · 32d
Good point, and just as they can fire you at little to no notice during probation, you can leave quickly too.
mortemtyrannis@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 32d
Seems like something you ask at the interview stage if youâre that committed to Linux.
turbowafflz@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 32d
I started using my own laptop instead of my assigned one like a week after i started and no one cares. I RDP into my work laptop when I occasionally need windows software.
To be fair I am one of 8 people in our IT department so your mileage may vary with this tactic.
TherapyGary@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 145 pts · 33d
Lol I love it when this happens- title actually fit this time (just my app being silly btw, nothing to worry about on your end)
yuri@pawb.social · 55 pts · 33d
i love looking at old pictures of people pointing at signs and imagining them making that wojack face
gukleszl4hs48ughgxhr5xgd@fedia.io · 11 pts · 33d
There was subreddit about this specifically, don't remember the name though. Wonder if someone has made a fediverse community for it.
overkrill@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 93 pts · 33d
i'll be damned, prayer does work
Tautvydaxx@piefed.social · 92 pts · 32d
I used to work in a large fishing ship as an engineer, there I became an atheist. Once there was a huge storm and we had to balance the ship to make sure it wouldnt roll, the guy who had to do it was praying and didnt have time to balance it, we almost died because he had mandatory pray time. From than we had a rule that there is no religion on the ship, once we come back to land than you can believe.
FishFace@piefed.social · 89 pts · 32d
From what I hear of Islam on e.g. fasting it tends to be quite a practical religion. I'd not be surprised if that guy could in fact have not been praying at that moment and still stuck to all the teachings of his religion.
mirshafie@europe.pub · 102 pts · 32d
Yeah this is not at all how praying works in Islam. Of course you don't pray if you're practically unable to do so safely.
It is also considered a sin if you choose to fast under circumstances that put your health in danger.
Natanox@discuss.tchncs.de · 56 pts · 32d
Apparently (I'm not a scholar but was curious) in dire situations that require immediate action they could've prayed while helping out, even shortening it out as long as the short (verbal?) prayer is done in honesty and the situation absolutely demands it. Apparently it's even outright disallowed to not safe yourself or others during life-and-death situations even if it prevents you from the mandatory prayer because preserving people's lifes and your own tops those rules, at least that's what I read so far. If that boat story is actually true that person probably was a dipshit who happened to break his own religion's rules.
Also looked up fasting: There seems to be even more leeway on that. Just do it later if you can't do it right now due to illness or similar, or pay "fidyah" (give poor people money for food). Though I'm kinda curious how it's handled when someone is too old to fast but also poor as fuck, not a situation where you'd want to also feel guilty about this.
Ifera@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 32d
Same as every religion, there are extremists and ignorants, like all the christians ignoring the bible and the 10 commandments while pretending that the current president of the US was handpicked by their god to save them.
Or maybe the person thought "We're already beyond fucked, might as well die a pious death while praying, bet that will get me into the A list", or some variation of that.
AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 32d
Young, expectant, illness, or age are all specifically exempt from fasting. At least that is how it works for the Baha'is, and they are to Islam as Christianity is to Judaism, so I assume they copied the rest of the fasting rules verbatim. I do know that the Muslims fast from sunup to sundown same as Baha'i
LodeMike@lemmy.today · 6 pts · 32d
There's a literal exception for when travelling
Honytawk@discuss.tchncs.de · 2 pts · 32d
There are different disciplines in that religion
FishFace@piefed.social · 11 pts · 32d
Sure. I'm skeptical that any of those disciplines except perhaps extremely minor, strict ones teach that you have to continue praying, in your knees, in an emergency.
InputZero@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 32d
From speaking with Muslims during Ramadan, if there's a bona fide emergency that takes priority over prayer no questions asked. Anyone who says otherwise is an extremist or wrong.
itsjustachairmary@lemmy.world · 26 pts · 32d
The sea is your only god here
MrChewy@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 32d
"You disrespected the Gods for the last time, Kratos"
Buddahriffic@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 32d
Narrator: It wasn't the last time.
ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 32d
There's a great scene in Das Boot where the crew ends up trapped on the bottom of the Straight of Gibraltar. One guy starts fingering his rosary beads and praying and another guy punches him in the face and says "cut that shit out, we've got work to do!"
ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world · 58 pts · 32d
This guy was only a "new co-worker" because I was the new employee, but: my first day on a new job I watched a guy get escorted out of the building by security carrying his shit in a cardboard box. His story ended up on the local news. Turned out he was running a prostitution ring from his office, using his work computer even. He had an 800 number that redirected to his office phone, and he kept track of his girls and customers on an Excel spreadsheet on his Windows desktop. The only reason he got caught was that the company upgraded everybody's computers, and they had techs check through all the old machines to make sure no important documents got deleted, and they found "CallGirls.xls" or something like that right on his desktop. Security through dumbassery.
Sidyctism2@discuss.tchncs.de · 33 pts · 32d
Stories like this piss me off because they convice me that i would be an absolutely incredible criminal; did this dude not know about usb-sticks?
Passerby6497@lemmy.world · 27 pts · 32d
Even before that, dude didn't even try to make it look plausibly legitimate so it didn't invite suspicion for when someone inevitably stumbled on the file.
Dude was definitely never a kid with only shared access to a computer, that's for sure...
quadrant5835@lemmy.zip · 9 pts · 32d
Could have named it GroceryList.xls and would probably still be working there đ
anugeshtu@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 32d
Or BusinessAssets.xlsxxx /s
stark@sopuli.xyz · 16 pts · 32d
Any mid to large size company has the USB ports of their desktop PCs disabled, disconnected or even glued shut. At least the ones that take security seriously.
Apytele@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 32d
I can't imagine doing my job with a computer like that. I need to be able to plug in scanners and label printers and other specialty equipment and swap out peripherals as they break like how would that even work?
titanicx@lemmy.zip · 7 pts · 32d
Normally those are pre-approved by IT and you wouldn't be the one swapping those out. You would put in a request saying hey this item is broken can you please troubleshoot it and somebody would come out troubleshoot it and swap it out as needed.
Apytele@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 32d
Then IT needs to be onsite 24/7 and that's just not realistic for a looot of places. Especially not rural med but I'm in in a hospital in a mid to large size city I'm just in 50 bed or so location that's in a part of the city nobody GAF about.
piccolo@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 31d
Usb devices have addresses that include the vendor and product id. So IT can allow list from approved products or vendors and that will prevent people randomly plugging in devices and infecting the network. Though, it wouldnt stop a malcious device from spoofing an address from a approved device, but an targeted attack needs more sophisticatation security anyway.
titanicx@lemmy.zip · 0 pts · 31d
I do a lot of work for a hospital system in the intermountain West. They do have rural locations. And they do have IT stuff that is on call 24/7 at every single one of their locations. So it's not unheard of it's not unusual it's pretty normal. I do a good chunk of the work I do for them which is mainly network and systems upgrades as well as Wi-Fi and access points. And I do most of it overnight with one of their IT staff.
Trigger2_2000@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 32d
As an employee of more years than I care to count, I can safely say the missing component here is "training". I know this because I am going through that right now (for at least the 20th time in my life).
Why I just leaned that you are NOT supposed to take assets from the company. Amazing knowledge to gain after all these years! They even added that "taking assets" even extends to "taking cash". Well, I'll say; I've never felt more informed in all my life!
How the heck did I make it this far in life without "knowing" that kind of information? Because everyone knows that employees don't know anything (or have any morals) until HR tells it to them. /s
Thebeardedsinglemalt@lemmy.world · 53 pts · 32d
A new, young PC technician was hired and from the get go he was practically blowing himself with claims he'll be promoted quickly, he could do the job of 2 people, nobody works harder than him. Less than 2 months into the job someone calls the dept asking where he is because he was supposed to swap out a PC for a director at an off-site location. His manager called his cell and asked where he was. He told em he was just finishing up Cathy's PC and he'll be back on site.
Manager: "Cathy just called me asking why you haven't shown up yet. So I'll ask again...where the hell are you?"
Turns out he was hung-the-fuck-over and napping at home. He got canned very quickly.
Malyca@lemmy.zip · 18 pts · 32d
The people that scream the loudest about being hard working or intelligent usually aren't. If someone is good at something, they don't need to point it out.
HerbGrower@slrpnk.net · 9 pts · 32d
Or they feel so much imposter syndrome that they keep quiet.
I mean I am probably not even good enough to have imposter syndrome, its probably the Dunning Kruger effect.
PolarKraken@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 32d
Nice, you just did either the first derivative of imposter syndrome, or you made it recursive, but I'm probably too shit to tell which
Thebeardedsinglemalt@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 32d
Oh absolutely 110%. I could count on all my and your fingers and toes the number of coworkers I've had who spent half the day walking around chitchatting that they were the hardest worker, first in last out...they undeniably never were.
iocase@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 32d
What's worse than both is "I've been doing this for X amount of years!" Because then they're both dumb and incompetent. If they say they have 20 years of experience usually it means 20X1st year of experience.
unemployedclaquer@sopuli.xyz · 39 pts · 33d
Nobody gets a jackoff closet. But no one ever asks for that.
Quokka@quokk.au · 12 pts · 32d
Why need a closet when you could wank at work?
https://youtu.be/VKH9ECC_Qa4
Zagorath@quokk.au · 8 pts · 32d
No way am I clicking that link. đŁ
Quokka@quokk.au · 3 pts · 32d
It's YT, so it's mostly safe!
It's also an old British sketch show clip.
SatyrSack@quokk.au · 3 pts · 32d
This hasn't been a valid default assumption for quite a while, unfortunately. You can absolutely link some vile things on YouTube.
forkDestroyer@infosec.pub · 7 pts · 32d
Earn your own office and close the door. Ez.
trashcroissant@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 5 pts · 32d
Idk the cook at my old work just used the changeroom as his jackoff closet. He did ask to borrow people's smartphones.
CPMSP@midwest.social · 38 pts · 33d
I guess some prayers get answered.
cRazi_man@europe.pub · 37 pts · 32d
I know someone who got his dream job in Brazil. His plane landed and he asked his local host where he can get some halal lunch. He was told that there didn't seem to be any halal food options in the city that's the host knew of. Guy got on a same day flight and flew back home. This was 20 years ago.
forkDestroyer@infosec.pub · 24 pts · 32d
Left the dream job? Bro, just cook at home. Damn.
Turret3857@infosec.pub · 31 pts · 32d
If they're eating halal for reasons they dont seek to change (religious or otherwise) it can be extremely difficult to "cook at home" because you need to secure halal food sources, which if there aren't even any restaurants with halal food, it may be extremely difficult to secure halal ingredients
forkDestroyer@infosec.pub · 15 pts · 32d
Fish, seafood, fruits, vegetables, grains, nuts, legumes like rice, wheat, beans, and lentils ... all default halal, no?
emergencyfood@sh.itjust.works · 9 pts · 32d
Seafood (other than fish) may or may not be halal depending on the school of Islam. The others should be fine.
AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 32d
No. Halal is basically Kosher for Muslims. So much so that my Muslim friends are perfectly happy getting lunch at the local kosher deli. The animals must be butchered a very specific way, and overseen by a Jewish or Muslim authority to be kosher or halal respectively.
nickiwest@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 32d
I don't know how reputable Halalification is, but it was high on the list of search results and the entire answer seems well-reasoned.
Turret3857@infosec.pub · 6 pts · 32d
I have no idea. Wikipedia says
i don't know enough about Islamic law to say whether or not are default halal. They could be. I dunno!
NotEasyBeingGreen@slrpnk.net · 5 pts · 32d
I think that seafood is basically the same as with Kosher... so you can only eat things from the sea that have both fins and scales. Or is it gills and scales?
I worked with a Muslim in Amsterdam who ordered vegetarian because he was pretty sure it would be Halal. That was 20 years ago, so maybe he'd have an easier time eating non-vegetarian now? I see lots of Halal signs in restaurant windows, but who knows?
greedytacothief@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 32d
wholookshere@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 15 pts · 32d
Its not just cooking style, it starts with how the animal is butchered IIRC
forkDestroyer@infosec.pub · 15 pts · 32d
If I got my dream job and it required me to be a pescatarian, vegetarian, or vegan: my diet would change immediately.
I get liking meat but damn.
wholookshere@lemmy.blahaj.zone · -6 pts · 32d
If your job asked you to eat dog would you do it?
Because thas what your asking.
Halal isn't a preference, its a standard for how meat is killed and prepared all the way to your food to your plate.
AbyssalBleat@sh.itjust.works · 16 pts · 32d
I think you got the post you're replying to completely backwards.
They're saying in that man's shoes, they'd adopt a diet like pescetarianism or become vegan, which would allow them to practice halal even without needing dedicated halal meat sources.
TimeNaan@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 32d
The point is not to eat meat at all. Then it's halal anyways.
executivechimp@discuss.tchncs.de · 4 pts · 32d
There's a simple way to sidestep that issue
wholookshere@lemmy.blahaj.zone · -3 pts · 32d
Give up your morals?
Jankatarch@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 32d
I think they meant going vegan?
driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br · 7 pts · 32d
What city would that be? In SĂŁo Paulo there's plenty of halal restaurants, in Rio there's a couple. In other parts of the country could be more difficult.
nickiwest@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 32d
Were those halal options operating 20 years ago? Because this is an old story, and the guy really couldn't wait that long for lunch.
driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br · 1 pts · 32d
In SĂŁo Paulo, for sure. In Rio maybe harder.
AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 32d
Well beyond that, kosher is halal. Was there not a deli anywhere in the city?
Jankatarch@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 32d
My uni has places selling halal food nearby, but they're expensive so I just eat vegan.
alapakala@quokk.au · 1 pts · 32d
eestileib@sh.itjust.works · 35 pts · 32d
If you can understand a smoke break, you can understand a prayer break. It's not that hard.
HerbGrower@slrpnk.net · 17 pts · 32d
And if smoke breaks are allowed, have a snack break
VitoRobles@lemmy.today · 5 pts · 31d
I used to get fresh air breaks.
It was at some point, I worked at jobs that didn't give a shit if you disappeared for 15-30 minutes every hour, as long as you got your shit done.
I recommend everyone find those jobs.
HerbGrower@slrpnk.net · 1 pts · 31d
Yeah, seems to be what I have found. Small companies with a skilled workforce so far in my experience have been the best.
VitoRobles@lemmy.today · 3 pts · 30d
Absolutely! Everyone wants to knock on small office jobs. The Office TV show is was a great example. Half the time it's people doing enough to keep the company running. The other half was dumb shit. Nobody was tracking your piss times or micromanaging how many M&Ms you ate.
But I absolutely had my ass micromanaged when I was working in a warehouse or a restaurant.
bitwolf@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 32d
I used to lie and ask for a smoke break and go have a snack outside
HerbGrower@slrpnk.net · 3 pts · 31d
You have to ask?
bitwolf@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 31d
Back then yeah. I also had to ask for time off and often got denied.
I once got denied for time off to help a family member who was in the hospital who I was going to drive home.
I told them I'm not abandoning family and took off any way and got fired.
This was after I gave a months notice and marked my schedule unavailable.
I've also got fired for a similar situation but for a college final that I literally could not reschedule or miss.
Now I'm highly qualified and at a much better job. And I still, decades later, have a ton of anxiety about asking for off. And theyre like "if you need off, take off, why are you so worried about it?"
birdwing@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 24d
I think we shouldn't have smoke breaks, but non-smoke breaks instead...
Napster153@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 32d
For some people, it is in fact difficult to compute said action.
Prayers are a spiritual experience and practice, whereas the only thing you get out of smoking is a medical bill. They still want the latter because it's a physical effect they can observe.
iocase@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 32d
They can work you harder when you have lung cancer or long term illness from smoking and you need their medical insurance coverage.
Napster153@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 31d
Oh for sure, and it only drives my scorn
northernlights@lemmy.today · 34 pts · 32d
No later than 2 weeks ago a new marketing guy thought the best thing once he got his laptop was to start a thread of memes on Teams with everybody. People were already leaving left and right when I started paying attention to it. Unfortunately for him, when he sent an animation of a cartoon character doing a nazi salute I called him out on it saying that's not ok, the HR manager was still in the thread. Dude lasted half a day on this job.
Cypher45@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 31d
Reminds me of that cop guy who got suspended because he shared that anime girl "Aww shit N" meme.
WhoIzDisIz@lemmy.today · 30 pts · 33d
This is truly a pathetic country.
Baggie@lemmy.zip · 74 pts · 33d
We don't know this was in America, there are so many pathetic countries to choose from!
bamboo@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 35 pts · 33d
How do you know the person you responded to was referring to America? there are so many pathetic countries to choose from!
Baggie@lemmy.zip · 53 pts · 33d
Because they assumed it was a specific country based on nothing, that's something I've only seen Americans do. I mean the spirit is there, don't get me wrong.
Flyswat@lemmy.ml · -2 pts · 32d
You assumed him assuming? :D
Trampampoline@sh.itjust.works · 48 pts · 33d
I saw pathetic and my brain just filled in "American"
SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 32d
When Nazi Germany was in power, people probably thought a lot about Germany as the default.
Trampampoline@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 32d
Godwin's law needs to be revised for Trump after this shit's over.
Untamed_Star@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 32d
"This us truly an American country."
darklamer@feddit.org · 3 pts · 32d
Where else can you both fire someone on the spot and sue for religious discrimination?
Buddahriffic@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 32d
Canada, if it's day one. There's a 3 month probation period where the requirements before you can fire someone are non-existent, though you still can't fire someone for illegal reasons.
Baggie@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 32d
Australia, you can fire pretty easily depending on contracts, and definitely get sued for religious discrimination.
QueenHawlSera@piefed.social · 25 pts · 32d
I was training a new hire. She was good, better than me in some respects.
But one day she came in and did no work, just sat there shaking... insisting she was fine.
Turns out she was tweaking, she came in high.
She was given a final warning but then she came high again and was fired.
sangriaferret@sh.itjust.works · 9 pts · 32d
I worked in a restaurant where a server would shoot up in the bathroom before her shift. She didn't last long.
zarkanian@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 32d
That's funny, considering how many people have told me that most of the people in food service are high due to how stressful it is. Maybe heroin isn't the drug of choice, though.
Gabadabs@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 8 pts · 32d
Weed. It's easy to just hit a pen in the bathroom, and it relaxes you without making you literally incapable of doing the job. I'm sure other drugs are common in food service too, but the one I saw regularly was weed.
sangriaferret@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 32d
In our case, lots and lots of alcohol. Definitely coke going around but it's not my thing.
Forester@pawb.social · 5 pts · 32d
Coke and meth
zarkanian@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 32d
Just say you're sick and go home. It isn't that hard. Don't try to play it off and work anyway. Not unless you're really, really good.
Snapz@lemmy.world · 24 pts · 32d
Negative minutes. Kid just out of college, the CMO (a monster of a human) had cosigned and bragged about how good this person was. They didn't show up first day, hour past, someone called and HE was upset that a car hadn't been sent to pick him up at home and he was waiting... Ridiculous in any scenario really, but this was in a car-brained major city where all people drove themselves, up to the CEO. Not common at all to have a car service. Was let go immediately in a probation period and CMO never mentioned it again.
Eheran@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 31d
CMO?
Snapz@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 31d
Chief marketing officer.
PartyAt15thAndSummit@lemmy.zip · 21 pts · 32d
A newly onboarded guy told everyone over lunch that the next day was going to be a bank holiday where he is from, so he won't come in to work. We told him that it's not a bank holiday around here. He became quite upset about this. Then the line manager got wind of that.
He didn't turn up the next day... or on any day after that.
SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 20 pts · 32d
Anybody who saw that happen and didn't stop the firing absolutely deserved it.
nickiwest@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 32d
If your company is run by someone who fires people openly in front of others, that's a red flag.
Even my absolute worst boss, who had a horrible temper, would rarely fire someone on the floor in front of coworkers. And that man was a walking red flag who got fired after about a year in his position, when his bosses finally found out how he treated his employees.
I assume that the company mentioned here didn't have a proper HR representative who knew and understood the law about religious discrimination.
VitoRobles@lemmy.today · 12 pts · 32d
Can confirm this.
My first job had a manager who loved "making examples out of people". One time, he threatened to fire a girl because she didn't organize something the way he wanted, and went on a speech about how he is to be respected and when the girl told the owner, they hired a second manager to potentially remove him.
He later went to jail for stabbing a guy at a bar, probably drunk. So he removed himself. He then became a cop. So that's cool.
nickiwest@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 32d
Most responsible business owners understand the cost of hiring new employees, so they want to keep productive employees for as long as possible. And if middle managers are mistreating employees, a good business owner will do something about it.
Not to say that all business owners are good. Having worked for good and bad people, I can say that leaving a business with bad ownership is always a good thing in the long run, even if it hurts in the short term.
SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 32d
O_O
Forester@pawb.social · 19 pts · 32d
I worked in phones a decade ago and a new hire that I thought was cool lasted a week. I got a callback from a foreign client that was just hung up on after being slurred and insulted for not speaking fluent English by the new guy. We had call recording. It was very awkward to have to tell my boss about it and unfuck the client relationship.
Buddahriffic@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 32d
One factory job had a couple days of orientation in a classroom before we started on the floor, but on day one we ended with a tour of the work areas. As we went around, someone working recognized one of the others in my group as a local methhead/rampant thief. We found out that's why he didn't come back when we started working with the others.
NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone · 13 pts · 33d
Allah doesnât mess about.
NotEasyBeingGreen@slrpnk.net · 5 pts · 32d
Not the same day, but it reminded me of this:
https://dutchreview.com/news/dutch-court-awards-man-34k-for-unfair-dismissal/
stark@sopuli.xyz · 9 pts · 32d
I would have fired him as well. Even if I had to pay him out. If he refuses to shake hands with anyone that would be an entire different matter, but the donât touch women rule some Muslims adhere to is rooted in sexism and misogyny.
LastYearsIrritant@sopuli.xyz · 11 pts · 32d
It sounds like the court just didn't like the reason given for the firing. I'm guessing if they talked to their corporate lawyer first, and fired him for workplace discrimination, that would have been an entirely different court discussion.
But firing him for performance after 3 days on the job? That's an obvious lie.
just_an_average_joe@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 0 pts · 32d
You can't have "my body my choice" for some things and not others. The law/principle is applied universely, everyone has a right to deny touch or any other action to any part of their body from any other individual/group.
stark@sopuli.xyz · 6 pts · 32d
So if a white person doesnât want to shake the hands of a Black person they shouldnât be fired for discrimination?
SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 31d
Funny how Muslims always get a pass by white liberals and some lefties when they are being bigoted or misogynistic. If this was a manosphere white misogynists who wouldnât shake hands with a woman yâall would never bring up the âmy body my choiceâ argument.
Sure they have the right to choose who they shake hands with or not but an employer also has the right to fire that person over that choice if shaking hands is part of the job and work culture and they don't want a misogynist working with their female employees.
Shellbeach@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 32d
Why does it sounds right but feels wrong?
stark@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 32d
If it was a white Christian who doesnât want to shake the hands of a Muslim nobody here would defend the Christian.
Shellbeach@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 32d
Regardless of prejudices towards the perpetrator, I understand and agree with the idea of "my body, my rules". Yet, I feel like choosing not to shake hand of a specific group based on discrimination is wrong. Am I a hypocrite or am missing something?
Notyou@sopuli.xyz · 4 pts · 32d
You're not a hypocrite. It seems like a different version of the paradox of tolerance. Think of it more like a social contract. They broke it first so you aren't obligated to follow the rules when they don't.
If a Muslim doesn't want to shake hands with a woman then that's fine but it also means you can't work in jobs where you need to do that. Don't push your beliefs on other people. Just because you believe something doesn't mean the rest of the world needs to bend. We just need to respect your space to do it, or not do it.
If I couldn't drink alcohol for religious reason, it wouldn't be discrimination no one wanted to hire me as a wine sommelier.
stark@sopuli.xyz · 4 pts · 32d
If someone doesnât want to shake hands fine but they should apply that rule to everyone equally regardless of race, gender and religion. Otherwise itâs discrimination no matter the reason, religion is no excuse to discriminate. Especially in a professional business environment.
Taleya@aussie.zone · 1 pts · 32d
Huh. While you can argue the morality of this one until the cows come home, most places in AU use a "trial period" under which either party can walk away for any reason.
absentbird@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 32d
That's the sort of story that serves as a lesson, like one of those fairy tales about respecting weird little guys in the woods
Olgratin_Magmatoe@startrek.website · 2 pts · 31d
I worked as a tester for an embedded system, and there was a whole team of us. Our work was handed out in these big 3cm thick packets of testing sheets, with tables and graphs and instructions on how to test the system to make sure the code was safe for production.
A coworker was evidently not wanting to do his work one day, and "finished" a packet the same day it was handed to him. Now a single page of those tests could easily take you a half hour, assuming the arcane instructions were even clear to you.
He "quit" before the next day.
VitoRobles@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 31d
Sorry, it wasn't clear. Did he realize this was over his head and quit?
Or did he just power through the tests because the whole thing was a joke and quit?
Because I've had both experiences.
Olgratin_Magmatoe@startrek.website · 1 pts · 31d
It was probably a mix or "I don't get this" and "I don't feel like it".
Him "quitting" was because the other option was being fired and persecuted for falsifying safety documentation. He never actually did the tests, it was impossible to do so in less than a week, much less the day he claimed to do it in.
jrTug_2T@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 31d
Not sure if this counts, as it's not quite getting fired, but a kid got dropped off for an interview, and as soon as he made it into the store lobby, the family member who drove him in did some donuts in the lot and peeled out.
His interview got cancelled because of that, and he just had to wait there to get picked up by someone else.
Cypher45@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 31d
Wow what an asshole
chunes@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 32d
And then everybody clapped.
darkwing_duck@sh.itjust.works · -13 pts · 32d
finalarbiter@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 9 pts · 32d
In what way is asking for a place where they can pray imposing their religion on others? It's a reasonable accommodation in the same way that not working on the sabbath would be.
Frankly, it sounds like you've got your own issues with bigotry to get over. Maybe look in the mirror before projecting your problems onto others.
AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 32d
Tell that to the Christians. I've never been harassed by Muslims trying to convert me. The asshole hateful Christians come to my door, and don't just leave their bullshit at their homes.
Jyek@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 32d
I'm not trying to defend Christian evangelism here because it's annoying and harmful but I do have experience with Muslim friends attempting to convert me. More than a few actually. Certainly not as many or as often or as persistently as Christians and LDS and JWs but substantially more than never. I have no issues with most religion, but I do have a problem with evangelism. It's just advertising by another name. Waiting for evangelismblock plus to go with my adblock plus.
AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 32d
Fair enough, I just haven't run into it. I don't even find the Hare Krishna's, or Galung Fong at the airport annoying. They just ask for a donation. They don't proselytize.
jdr@lemmy.ml · -1 pts · 32d
Ok, necrotic pork penes for all!