A Pennsylvania mom says the cops were called on her 4 times—for letting her kids be outside
https://reason.com/2026/07/30/a-pennsylvania-mom-says-the-cops-were-called-on-her-4-times-for-letting-her-kids-be-outside/
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Catma@lemmy.world · 139 pts · 2d
Kids these days never play outside!
Holy shit is that a kid outside? Better call the fucking cops.
ride@lemmy.world · 25 pts · 2d
There is a better and healthier way; it’s called Europe - where the children enjoy the freedom to be children.
ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de · 9 pts · 1d
That just means it will catch up to Europe in a decade.
ride@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 1d
That’s a very hopeful outlook. Unless the setup in Europe (Germany in my case) - public schools, really well organised football competitions for children of all ages, various clubs and activities, playgrounds everywhere, etc - changes drastically, I don’t see how this is happening in Europe in a decade. Here we literally chase the children to go out, while we sometimes beg them not to go out because it too much. At the height of the last heatwave, right after returning from vacation, our boys wanted to go out.
ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de · 4 pts · 1d
Yeah, all those things you mentioned are here in the US.
ride@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1d
I don’t think so, and even if they were you’d need a car to go anywhere and everywhere. My little children’s school is 2 minutes walk from home. There are three playgrounds within 2, 4 and 8 minutes walk. My boys football club (with proper pitches and lighting) is 8 minutes on foot away from home. All the kids walk there.
ChexMax@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1d
I've got a school in my back yard, a park at the end of my block, it's not that there's nowhere for kids to go, it's that you're not allowed to let the kids go there alone.
ride@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1d
Which makes it even more ridiculous and speaks of a bigger fundamental issue.
sem@piefed.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 1d
This is the way
ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de · -1 pts · 1d
You don't think so? Where do you think I'm at? But no, I'm sure you would know better about what the US has. From Germany. You don't even seem to know the US has public schools almost all kids go to.
ride@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1d
I assumed from your instance from the onset that you’re also based in Germany, or have something to do with this place. But, my argument still stands. I didn’t mention only schools, did I? And even if we limit ourselves to schools, you should know that the school concept in Germany is entirely different from the US. In Germany you HAVE to go to the primary school within a defined school boundary - whether you’re rich or poor. Privatisation of schools is almost non-existent. Walking to and from school is the norm - this is absolutely encouraged. For example, my kids school bars parents from driving anywhere within 800 metres to drop their kids off. This encourages self reliance as children walk alone or in groups to school each day.
Flames5123@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 15h
Many actual cities are like that in the US too. You only hear about the shitty suburbs.
BorgDrone@feddit.nl · 69 pts · 2d
What’s wrong with people. Don’t these kids have PlayStations? Why do they need to play outside?
mcv@lemmy.zip · 37 pts · 2d
Don't they know the outdoors is for cars, not kids?
BorgDrone@feddit.nl · 15 pts · 2d
No, outdoors is for adults. Kids should only be allowed outside when properly leashed.
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 1d
No no, mcv is right.
The outside is for cars.
Its why we keep tearing down everything and paving it over for cars.
W98BSoD@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 22h
They paved paradise and put up a parking lot.
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 22h
yep. All car focused.
not even any space for pedestrians, not that you can walk anywhere thanks to Americas suburb obsession meaning impractical to get anywhere without a car, cause even just going to get groceries is like a 20 minute drive away, which is like..2 hours of walking, along roads that have a good chance of having no sidewalks.
Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 2d
Also, Kars is 4 Kids...to be indoctrinated by representatives of a fascist apartheid state.
slothrop@lemmy.ca · 58 pts · 2d
True story. I took a city bus to the library, by myself, when I was 6 years old. This trip included a transfer.
Still here 63 years later ...
MouldyCat@feddit.uk · 95 pts · 2d
wow jesus christ 63 years!! You should go ask the library assistant, they will prob help you. Your family are probably worried sick!
slothrop@lemmy.ca · 32 pts · 2d
My parents only gave me a dime for the trip there ...
Bbbbbbbbbbb@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 2d
No dime for the return trip, eh?
ChicoSuave@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 2d
Some say he's still riding on the MTA.
sem@piefed.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 1d
Vote for George O'Brien!
lolo@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 2d
That’s neglect! Someone call the cops!
KC_Royalz@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 2d
I chuckled
WoodScientist@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 2d
I didn't realize this sloth was in fact our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.
masterofn001@lemmy.ca · 12 pts · 2d
I was recently talking ro someone about the gokd ole days.
When i was a kid, my friend and i would take a bus from Canada to the US to go hang out at the hockey arena to get autographs on our hockey cards.
We took a bus.
Went through customs. (All we needed back then was a birth certificate.)
Walked through a notoriously bad area to get to the arena.
Hung out for hours.
And returned home safely.
We were 10.
Bo7a@piefed.ca · 6 pts · 1d
We used to cross the border between Quebec and the US to go jump off of a bridge and a set of cliffs over a river on the US side. We would go as a group of five or 10 kids on bmx's and 10-speed bikes. Border guards never even talk to us. They would just wave us through as we came in. And most of the time they were all smiles.
slothrop@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 2d
Yep, quite relatable!
DrBob@lemmy.ca · 7 pts · 2d
60 here. Parents used to send my brother and alone on the subway to go to the museum. I was 5 and he was 9.
credo@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1d
Matilda?
grue@lemmy.world · 56 pts · 2d
I want to know if all these calls were from different people or from the same busybody. If the latter, then the real police involvement ought to be going after that person for harassment.
Fredselfish@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 2d
Bet money kids and mom are POC as well.
ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de · 15 pts · 1d
I bet they aren't. The cops didn't escalate.
VitoRobles@lemmy.today · 12 pts · 1d
My friend's parents (who he is now no-contact) are those people! Fox News brain got them calling up the police on anybody suspicious.
Ten times in three months, and after two fines for abusing the police lines, 911 now refuses to take their calls.
Last my friend checked, they were ranting on Nextdoor and writing sympathy posts on Facebook to get people to call 911 for them.
brygphilomena@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 1d
Some busybody that also doesn't want to deal with it themselves.
The article even says they asked the kid if they were lost and he literally pointed to his house. Ridiculous they still called the cops. Also says something the cops knew EVERY time which house to go to.
Smoogs@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1d
from the article it sounds like the same person...who they suspected had even been following them. I'd say a restraining order. cuz only a creep would take that much interest in a 7 yr old like that.
lolo@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 2d
I would encourage you to read the article, often you’ll find additional information there. It was different people or groups of people every time.
grue@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 2d
I did read the article. It didn't say it was the same person, but it didn't say every call was from a different person, either.
Fmstrat@lemmy.world · -7 pts · 1d
You could know. It's only one click away.
grue@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 1d
No, I fucking can't. As I already said, I did read the article and it wasn't actually clear whether all four calls were from completely distinct groups of people.
Caller #1 was "a woman."
Caller #2 was "a woman... and another man."
Caller #3 was "some pickleball players."
Caller #4 was completely undescribed.
For all we know, it could've been the same woman in all four cases: maybe she's with a man sometimes, and maybe she plays pickleball. It isn't specific enough to rule that out.
I'm getting kinda tired of assholes making stupid assumptions about whether I read the article or not and getting them wrong.
LostCarcosan@lemmy.today · 5 pts · 1d
You could also read the article and realize it's not very clear. It's only one click away
Archr@lemmy.world · 45 pts · 1d
The combination of not giving kids independence then complaining how teens and young adults are dependant on their parents is diabolical.
I often look at the independence that kids and teens are given in other countries and wish that I could have been given that sort of a childhood. I seriously think I wouldn't be as socially inept as I am today if I had that.
cantstopthesignal@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 6h
We just expect to drop them off at college or into the work force having given them zero skills to be independent.
Archr@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1h
There are plenty of parents that just kick out their kids and drop all support the day they turn 18. It is truly horrific how cruel they are.
mirshafie@europe.pub · -3 pts · 1d
You can still learn though. It's always awkward in the beginning but adults learn faster than kids.
hereiamagain@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 1d
Not sure why you're getting downvoted.
Life sucks, we're all screwed up in some way or another. But just saying "well that's how I am now" is the standard approach these days, and it only perpetuates the problem.
phutatorius@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 15h
Because the most rapid rate of learning is in early childhood. For example, toddlers acquire over 50% of an entire language in a couple of years. That learning rate declines through early adulthood, then remains roughly constant unless the adult experiences dementia in later life, which most don't.
mirshafie@europe.pub · 5 pts · 15h
Kids learn all of that while being completely immersed in the new environment. I challenge you to move to a different country right now and immerse yourself in the culture. I bet you in three (3) years you'll have a far superior command of that language than a 6 year old that was born in that country.
jumping_redditor@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 15h
Adults get full punishments for crimes, kids don't (sometimes).
mirshafie@europe.pub · 1 pts · 15h
That's a shame, getting away with crime is a really nice way to learn about things and stuff.
jumping_redditor@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 14h
for petty crimes it absolutely is, like graffiti.
Waldelfe@feddit.org · 43 pts · 1d
There was a documentary a few years ago about a German correspondent in the US. She let her teenage kids have the same freedoms as in Germany: roam the neighborhood, bike to school etc. The neighbors called CPS on her when the kids were in the street and the school talked to her that her kids weren't allowed to come by themselves, she HAD to drive them.
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world · 29 pts · 1d
Which is wild, cause when I was in elementary school, I would walk/ride a bike like 5 miles to school, and the school had a massive bike lockup because so many others did the same as well.
Crazy how we've gone from "Get the hell out of the house and don't come back till the street lights come on" to "OH MY GOD, CHILDREN ARE IN PUBLIC. CALL THE POLICE! CALL THE NATIONAL GUARD! CALL ANYBODY!!!!!!111!"
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 8 pts · 1d
Well we can't actually do anything to stop the literal blood-drinking pedophiles who run this country, so instead we try to make sure children are never seen outside. It's the next best thing.
KelvarCherry@piefed.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 1d
implying that it isn't the blood-drinking pedophiles who want the children locked up at home; so they stay numb and isolated and grow up to be adults making money for the pedos.
They don't want to rape all kids (not physically or sexually, anyways). Of course, they all want to rape kids.
forkDestroyer@infosec.pub · -1 pts · 1d
I daresay it's because of the kids in that first scenario growing up and remembering what they witnessed while they were out on their own. Not all of them, of course.
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 1d
I wont deny that there may be people out there who are a definite fit for your scenario..
But generally speaking, I think its more encouraged addiction to technology. I see it so often, in my own family and elsewhere, where whenever children start needing attention.. the response isnt to give them attention, its to shove a phone/tablet in their hands and shooing them off to a corner to sit down and occupy themselves.
while back in the day, parents did give their kids attention. Still encouraged them to go outside and shit, but kids did get attention. They did raise their kids.
Today its Cellphones/Tablets raising kids.
froh42@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 1d
Heh. Here in Germany schools are really trying hard NOT to have "parent-taxis" bring their kids to school by car, as that causes a lot of traffic in front of the schools - and endangers those kids that walk on their own or ride their bikes.
Typically stopping in front of schools is frowned and where possible they try to remove stopping places right in front of the front door (e. g. by making them "school bus only")
My daughter (adult now) was walking 70m to Kindergarten (crossing a street which we trained a gazillion times with her) on her own from a few weeks before her fourth birthday. (Yes that was unusual, too, but we lived practically next door and she was so proud and happy about the trust we put into her).
In the US we would probably have gone to jail for that.
The same just for sending out the kids to play outside in the traffic-free block where we lived at that time. "Go outside" was something we told them to do.
sem@piefed.blahaj.zone · 5 pts · 1d
I'm in the US, kids regularly walk or bike around the neighborhood on their own, or go to school or the bus stop on their own.
There are crazy and weird places in the US, but there are also normal places.
Please extend us your hope that we can get out from under this fascist state government.
WanakaTree@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 1d
Im in the US and live literally across the street from my kids school. He starts kindergarten in August and I told some neighborhood parent friends I was going to just let him walk himself to school while I watched from the stoop sipping coffee. A lot of them were mortified and a few thought the school wouldn't allow him in without me dropping him off. Wtf
RBWells@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 1d
Where I live, younger kids (can) walk if closer than 2 miles AND not crossing any large roads. But if they can't walk the school system provides busing. Lots of kids get dropped off by car anyway because parents are driving to work, I have made that loop for mine some years. But there isn't a situation where car riding is required for public school (except for school choice schools, if there is room you can put them in a not neighborhood school, like if you work across town and want them close to your work not your house) - school won't bus them there - for magnet schools like performing arts they do have a school bus system to get them farther. My high schoolers (teenagers) took the city bus.
Schools do sort the kids at dismissal, into a bus group, a car group, and walkers, in the elementary/primary school, and all of them have to have someone adult or close to it come for them, they can't just wander home like I could.
Amberskin@europe.pub · 4 pts · 1d
I walked to school by myself since I was 10. I rode a bus to school by myself when I was in middle and high. Everyday I find scores of kids riding the same bus I use to go to work.
I live in Spain, by the way, in one major city. Never happened anything bad to me (except missing the bus and having to wait for the next one, or having to stand when the bus was full).
impairedimperator@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 1d
Some school's insurance policies prohibit kids from arriving in any way other than by parent's car or school bus.
OhNoMoreLemmy@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 1d
This makes no sense. Why would a school's insurance policy cover kids outside of school (excluding the bus which might still be school jurisdiction)?
And if insurance doesn't cover them anyway, it shouldn't care what they do.
impairedimperator@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 1d
I think the policy covers payouts for kids getting hit by cars between entering school property and walking into the building? That's the only thing that makes sense.
CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 2h
That's not something I've ever heard of. Here, if you live within a couple miles of the (middle or high) school, there aren't busses available. We live next to an elementary school and I see kids walking by themselves every single day.
abbiistabbii@piefed.blahaj.zone · 30 pts · 1d
This is the fourth time I've read a story about kids being arrested for being outside.
America really is a country where you were not allowed to be outside unless you're in a car.
ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 8h
Everywhere is someone's private property. Trespassers are under threat of being shot at all times all over the country.
TransNeko@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 19h
don't worry... it will get better soon enough... in a bit they will start arresting parents for driving with kids in the car.
JamesBoeing737MAX@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 15h
They do, they just don't arrest the ones that matter yet.
Europeans, don't worry, this is also coming to your neoliberal capitalist country. There are already many people who want their own version of ICE in their country (even while knowing such orgs already exist) - yes, I know them personally. Most people are stupid enough to hate minorities (because oh no, the Wikipedia about them includes words I don't understand(they are the target audience for the simple Wikipedia)), which just empowers their glorious leaders even more.
If you aren't profitable enough a risk of resistance (minorities who can afford education are more often educated than the "Aryan race"), you are getting jailed (and optionally murdered). "But socialism has gulags." - Yes, you do too and it's worse.
Spooge@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 7h
That's the most dramatic, basement dweller take I've ever heard. There's all sorts of outdoor places and activities that are government run in the US. State and local parks and recreation programs can be absolutely amazing in this country. This story is not the norm in any sense. There's plenty of amazing things to do and places to go outside in the US. Knock off the melodrama.
ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 5h
Need a car to get to any place, and you can't be there without money.
Spooge@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 5h
It is my opinion that you are dumb for saying that.
abbiistabbii@piefed.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 6h
...but not your own street, and most cities are or were (re)designed to make walking as unpleasant and difficult as possible.
But it's OK because there's national parks you can drive to. Sure, you might not be able to talk to the shops, do you can walk in these special, government approved areas.
I get the feeling that the fact I walked to my local cafe for a Frappe would blow your mind.
Spooge@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 6h
Ugh.....yeah. My street connects to a state park. There's also a school playground down the street the other way. I can walk to 3 grocery stores and ride my bike to any fast food you could think of. There's always many bikeable bars and restaurants. Your internet derived views on the "anti-car" sentiment is not my reailty, sorry.
Suavevillain@lemmy.world · 28 pts · 1d
There are really no spaces for kids or teens do anything anymore which is crazy. Then if they are playing outside it is also an issue.
impairedimperator@lemmy.zip · 8 pts · 1d
Much like the rest of society, the only reason to leave the house must involve spending money. Otherwise, you're just tricking poor billionaires and business owners by getting their hopes up and making them treat you nice, without adequate financial compensation.
MML@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 1d
I'm neither and still feel this way
sem@piefed.blahaj.zone · 27 pts · 1d
Lots of people not reading the article (me neither!) So i posted it here. My biggest question is why are all these people calling the cops? What is the other side of the story? Is Fox News fanning a moral panic about child trafficing?
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 23 pts · 1d
What a low fucking bar. After all this and they still can't help but bootlick
"Give it up for the cops not murdering anyone this time"
DrSteveBrule@mander.xyz · 14 pts · 1d
I'm happily in camp fuck the police but I think she just wanted it to be known she didnt blame the police for simply responding to the calls. Of course it's a low bar to applaud them for not escalating, but it doesn't feel right to call her a bootlicker.
LostCarcosan@lemmy.today · 5 pts · 1d
I mean, bootlicking or not, that's still pretty impressive for American cops to not just show up and shoot everybody involved, unfortunately
sem@piefed.blahaj.zone · 4 pts · 1d
Not a given in this day and age
Smoogs@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 1d
another person was trying to helicopter her seven yr old using police.
sem@piefed.blahaj.zone · 7 pts · 1d
I would like a news story to investigate what's going on inside these people's heads
LordCrom@lemmy.world · 24 pts · 1d
In the 70s, every kid in the he area knew every other kid. The mother's all knew each other or at least had phone numbers. Weekends and summers we would go play all day, sometimes in 1 house. The whole neighborhood looked out for all of us. If a mother needed to find a kid, just start calling the list of mothers. Regardless,when the streetlights came on, that was the signal to go home.
No one questioned it. That's the way it was. We would play football in the streets and move aside for cars. We would drink from the garden hose. Every kid played.... There was even one kid missing a leg who used a fake limb, we let him at football with the rest of us (granted he played line), but he was one of us.
Miss those days
fishy@lemmy.today · 9 pts · 1d
I grew up in the 90's and it was mostly the same. Leave home at like 9am to just go start knocking on friends doors to see who was available. Get a group together for some tag or ballgame if the weather was good, stay inside and play with toys if the weather was bad. Rule was to call home by 5 so my mom would know if she should prepare dinner for us or not.
phutatorius@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 15h
Our rule with my semi-feral kids was that they had to be home once the streetlights came on. If they couldn't see streetlights, before dark.
We lived in a town of 10,000 next to a large nature reserve, so the only things to worry about were mountain lions and people. As long as the kids were in groups, neither was a significant risk, especially the mountain lions, which generally avoid humans. In 15 years living in that place, I only saw one twice, when I was sitting quietly, far up a mountain. As for the people, the kids were distrustful of strange adults and there were few places along the narrow streets where cars could be driven fast.
And, despite all the tutting from a few neurotic neighbors, the kids all survived and are now self-sufficient adults.
Evotech@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 1d
Hey. That’s the way it is where i live in Norway.
Just depends on where you live
leadore@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 22h
Same. We were out all day, no one knew where we were. No cell phones. Go home by dark for supper.
HCSOThrowaway@lemmy.world · 24 pts · 1d
Liability Hot Potato
Caller doesn't want to accept liability just in case Something Happens to the kids.
Call-taker doesn't want to accept liability just in case Something Happens to the kids.
Comm. Center supervisor doesn't want to accept liability just in case Something Happens to the kids.
Dispatcher doesn't want to accept liability just in case Something Happens to the kids.
Patrol supervisor doesn't want to accept liability just in case Something Happens to the kids.
Patrol LEOs don't want to accept liability just in case Something Happens to the kids.
The end product of this bureaucratic nightmare is harassment-by-proxy, where the cops show up to tell a lady kids aren't supposed to play outside and everyone gets to go home not feeling like they were responsible for the insanity.
- Ex-cop, occasionally insisted on not responding to ridiculous calls that got cancelled when I pressed the issue, was eventually fired
Fuckfuckmyfuckingass@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 23h
ACAB, cuz the good ones get harassed and fired.
TransNeko@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 19h
or the good ones get killed by their coworkers (and then someone minority or lgbtq+ person gets framed for the murder).
HCSOThrowaway@lemmy.world · -9 pts · 23h
5 seconds before a good one gets fired, they're a bastard? What about 5 days? 5 months?
What about someone with all the good intent in their heart 5 minutes before they put on a badge? The second it touches their uniform they instantly become a bastard?
Your ridiculous position melts the second you think about it critically.
Fuckfuckmyfuckingass@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 21h
Conform or get shit canned. You should know better than me.
HCSOThrowaway@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 9h
So you ignored my entire comment because you can't think critically about this issue?
brianary@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 22h
He explained it but you didn't read.
HCSOThrowaway@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 9h
I did read it, but the meme breaks down the moment you give it more than a glance.
topperharlie@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 15h
How is it liability for people minding their fucking business and not calling the cops when seeing other's people children playing? Like is USA so dystopian that you need a permit to let your kids play so you can prove it to random strangers so they don't call the police? The rest of the chain I could understand, but the neighbour calling the fucking police for no reason at all without any consequences is bonkers to me.
I'm European and lived in 2 countries here, and in both the caller would be in trouble for making weird and unnecessary calls to the police, apart from being seen as a weirdo by everyone. Like, how much are you spying on kids playing (or anyone else for that matter) to determine that they are in danger? how paranoid are you that you perceive normal behaviour as dangerous? maybe you are the danger to those kids and society if you are really looking that hard and being so paranoid. Also, mind your fucking business, go back to watching fox news and stop looking through the window. These people being tolerated (or encouraged) without any consequences is bonkers to me, at the very least they should be shamed or even billed if repeatedly done.
HCSOThrowaway@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 9h
I can't tell if you're angrily asking me or angrily asking them.
Seems fairly obvious to me, but I'll break down what I suspect their thoughts are for #1:
"Oh I couldn't let something happen to little Timmy! What if he hurt himself or got kidnapped?"
topperharlie@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 8h
Sorry sounded that way, where I'm from we use swear words often to emphasize ideas, but not because we are angry just for emphasis, many times I forget in some places swear words are only "angry words" and they carry way more weight.
My surprise was regarding a society that is so comfortable calling police on neighbours for reasons it doesn't make sense, like, children playing outside could feel "dangerous" to you (as in the reporter) but it shouldn't condition how the parent raise their children if they think is safe. It feels to me so weird that: people impose their morals/values to others and they don't go and talk with the parents first instead of calling the police.
HCSOThrowaway@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 8h
That's more or less the same in my area, but you have to remember that text does not convey tone, so your comment could have been read either way; I've had plenty of people across the internet mistake my "So-and-So does X because Y" as defending So-and-So.
Maybe it's just in my city/state/country, but usually if you go politely confront someone in a way that could come across as judgement, they will double-down and get verbally or physically hostile.
So people don't bother, and call in the Professional Confronters. There's no penalty for being incorrect when calling the police, so it's a no-brainer for many.
Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 2d
Makes sense. Philly suburbs are full of busybodies. Usually they’re complaining about having moved next to a farm.
dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 2d
Well, it's the Philly suburbs. Anyone salty about having moved too close to a farm just has to wait about two years. The farm will be bulldozed and either converted into more shoddily built duplexes that are too close together, or a strip mall. Problem solved!
Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1d
Yes I am aware that people are, in fact, the worst
mobyduck648@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1d
I did such a double take at this place name, I assumed I’d misread it and the piece was actually talking about Wales! Are Welsh place names common in the eastern US? Would love to hear the local pronunciation, I was rubbish at Welsh place names until I’d actually lived in the country. The good news is it’s way more phonetic than English, the bad news is some of the alphabet encodes sounds which straight up don’t exist in English.
Can’t imagine any children getting this kind of grief in the original Bala, it’s a very small town in Eryri national park (commonly known as Snowdonia in English) set in a very beautiful landscape. I wouldn’t have spent a minute indoors if I’d grown up there, I’d have been out on Llyn Tegid / Bala Lake from the moment school ended.
Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1d
In PA the Welsh are a minor immigrant population, known for having owned a bunch of coal mines that later immigrants labored in.
mobyduck648@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 23h
That’s interesting, Wales was fairly prolific around the world on that front. Donetsk in Ukraine was founded by a Welshman for example.
Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 23h
🔘 I would like to know more
Eq0@literature.cafe · 16 pts · 2d
I’m so blessed to live in a city and country that encourages kids independence! At 4yo, my oldest feels comfortable being out of view in the playground and in safe areas, I expect him to walk home from school on his own in some 3 more years.
Itdidnttrickledown@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 1d
Its always a neighbor who hates kids. More to the point they can't stand kids playing and having fun. I've had calls from the city on a few occasions for fixing my own car in my driveway. I know who is doing it. Its a elderly woman with a mid forties autistic son who is at her beck and call. I fear for that hateful young man when she passes. I had the hood off my car fixing something close to the firewall and he stood in front of my driveway with a really cheap fiip phone taking photos. I started to call the police but figured it wouldn't result in anything useful.
nullspace@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 1d
Kids playing outside and people working on their car lowers the property value for the neighborhood. So many of these shitty aspects of suburban life are rooted in NIMBY-types who have a hatred of anything that would dare threaten the value of their property.
Malyca@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 23h
Boomers yelling at kids to get off their lawn
phutatorius@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 15h
More to the point, fucked-up people believe that it's true.
CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 6h
I never understood this or HOAs banning trucks from parking in driveways. These aren't permanent fixtures of a home so how can it lower the value of a property?
Microtonal_Banana@lemmy.zip · 14 pts · 1d
When I was 9 my friends and I would ride our bikes miles from home on a regular basis.
DrSteveBrule@mander.xyz · 6 pts · 1d
I did this too in the mid 2000s before most kids had a cell phone. There was no way to contact my parents or for them to contact me for hours at a time. I would even be out by myself all day. I know people today who are afraid to let their kids do that because of how dangerous it is, but they're kids have smartphones with gps location tracking on it. They somehow think it's more dangerous for kids today.
Spooge@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 7h
My Dad told me that when he was 9, him and his brother rode their bikes to the ferry and went to Canada and came back. He never told his mom until he was an adult. They left the fucking COUNTRY.
CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 8h
When I first read about some parents allowing their kids to be "free range", I had a hard time wrapping my brain around the amount of harassment they were getting, because being "free range" in the mid-00s sounded like what nearly all prior generations (older Gen Y and older) operated under as kids, but just now some kind of anomaly instead of the bog-standard norm.
As someone that is Gen X and grew up in a very rural area, and who spent most of their free (summer/weekend) days almost completely unsupervised, starting somewhere around 8 years old, I find it wild that the cops are now called on seeing such things...I realize things change - I'd say it's generally for the better these days, TBH. The views on safety back then for everyone, including children, were pretty much shit.
But still, you think there should be some kind of balance...
lightnsfw@reddthat.com · 5 pts · 6h
I think the balance is instead of being a fucking busybody calling the cops, just keep an eye on them and make sure they're okay and not causing trouble. If they're good it's all good and they gain valuable life experience being independent. If not then there's an adult on hand to assist. Kids can't learn to handle themselves if there's always an adult hanging over their shoulder to step in over every little thing.
bstix@feddit.dk · 11 pts · 2d
Car Brain
Drusas@fedia.io · 2 pts · 2d
This is not related to cars.
OwOarchist@pawb.social · 7 pts · 2d
It kind of is. Kids are expected to go places in cars.
bstix@feddit.dk · 7 pts · 2d
The first ten times I read a headline like this, I thought it was just Americans being American, but then it started happening elsewhere too.
I do believe it has to do with the development of suburbs, which has to do with prioritizing car infrastructure over anything else.
I live in a small town, less than 20k people, and even here, the developers of the most recent suburbs have chosen not to have pedestrian sidewalks at all. They'd rather sell those square meters as building lots. It makes sense. Nobody is requesting a sidewalk to upkeep just so they can walk to their neighbor who they don't socialize with anyway. The kids from these places never even get to learn how to walk a street safely, because their parents insist on driving them everywhere for their safety.
The older suburbs were made in a different time when politicians had expectations of cities growing and developing over time to have their own centres and shops and what not, which would require facilitating traffic passing through and local accessibility. The modern ones do not. They know now that modern suburbs are dead end appendix streets that never develop because people drive to the strip malls instead of walking to a local store, so there's no reason for the municipality to require silly things like pavements, bike paths and playgrounds and such.
I do notice that more young people are currently choosing not to buy houses in those areas, but it is going to be difficult to fix the layout once it has already been made, because there really isn't room for improvement between the lots.
blargh513@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 2d
There is a lot that is not under control of the individual.
For work, I have to be in another city. I got a place that has a train stop at the end of the street. As soon as I started the new job, they fucking closed the downtown office so now I'm paying a premium to live near a train that I cannot take. I have to drive fucking 45 min through traffic because while there technically is a train that goes out to the exurban office, the stop is several miles away. Maybe I could walk or take a bike, but there are no sidewalks nor bike lanes out there. No bus. I could take an uber or something, but I'm going to pay for a train ride, spend the time on the train, then spend on an uber 2x a day. Winter is pretty nasty where I work, so even if I were brave enough to ride a bike down the road where cars are normally going 60mph, it'd be worthless for the winter.
Not everyone who drives to work wants to. I love living in town but now I never actually get to do much in town because I'm always out at that fucking worthless office out in the middle of nowhere and wasting time and money to get there.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 9 pts · 15h
sounds like a karen on nextdoor.
CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 8h
That platform seems designed for Karens. I signed up for that to try to offload some stuff I wanted to give away and JFC, I've never seen so many busybodies in my life.
Just a constant stream of people bitching about what the kids are up to these days (seems like 90% of the content). I only stay because I may need to find plumbers, contractors, etc., and want to see who/what is recommended.
But all the rest of the noise on there, holy shit. I'm not sure if there was ever a time when it wasn't like that. I can remember a time when FB was not horrible, but maybe Nextdoor started in an enshittified state.
cantstopthesignal@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 6h
Hey now it's not just Karens, there's also the racists, and sometimes a racist Karen. Seriously though, have you ever talked to your neighbors or tried being friendly. Like 10%-20% of them are awful and miserable, so that's what you get when you build a product that lets you talk to your neighbors.
crispbacon99@lemmy.zip · 8 pts · 1d
Having kids outside will mess with flocks data set
DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 1d
My mom took me to school for kindergarten, after that I walked. But, I didn't walk alone, I walked with a group of kids of different ages. It wasn't organized, it just happened. I'd wait for the kids to pass my house, and join them, a few friends from first grade would be mixed in. The group would grow as we got closer to the school, by the time we got to the crosswalk there were probably fifteen to twenty of us.
This was the early 70s in suburbia, all the kids in the neighborhood at least knew of each other because everyone was outside all summer long, and of course we went to school together. The school was right in the middle of the neighborhood, and only four blocks from my house.
For as much as people bash suburbia, I have fond memories of growing up there. Ultimately I think most of our woes as society stem from capitalism, we just don't see it. It's not that car culture allowed for sprawl, it's that capitalism required us to drive into the city every day to make a living, to earn slave wages. Work from home, or from smaller, distributed locations has been viable for 80 years, apart from factories that make complicated products, but they want us all together for the same reason they don't want us working from home now. It's greed, hubris, and their deep desire to be worshiped by their worker bees. They want to stand on a platform, hands on hips looking over their mini-fiefdom, and admire what "they've" accomplished.
__Lost__@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 1d
Towns like this do still exist, but they are getting very rare. When we were looking for our house we specifically tried to find a town like you described, and we did. The elementary and middle schools are about 10 minutes walk from our house, and about 3/4 of the kids in town walk to school. The farthest walkers are maybe a bit over a mile away. Because they are all used to that walk for school, it also translates to the rest of life. My kids will walk or ride their bikes and scooters to the pizzeria or ice cream shop, the town pool is just a few minutes farther, and there are 3 parks within a 5 minute walk. I'm so incredibly happy with our choice and would recommend looking at these things when choosing a place to move to.
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VitoRobles@lemmy.today · 17 pts · 1d
I looked up the neighborhood and it's one of the high end ones.
This screams, "help, police! I see an ominous looking teenager just sitting there" Karen energy and then pulling out their skin-color graph to determine if they shoot the kid or not.
lastlybutfirstly@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1d
This is weird. I told another user that this article is rage bait and my comment was removed and the reason given was that my comment asserted that this article is rage bait. I've never had a comment removed from a forum in the quarter century I've been on the Internet. This is creepy.
To address your comment, possibly, but it's odd that four different people are calling the cops on the exact same parent and no one else. It just seems like there's more to this story. It sounds like the neighbors have something against this particular family.
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Croquette@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 1d
The audacity of children being children. Fuck them kids
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