I guess nobody did any work a few years back when AI wasn't being shoved down our throats. Also imagine being a carpenter or an electrician and being asked if you can get through your entire workday without AI. That guy is such an idiot is makes my head hurt.
Seriously - the AI bubble is very recent. Pretending like no one can possibly remember how they functioned before AI was being used everywhere is asinine.
He's telling on himself. He doesn't actually know how to do anything and he never did. He's terrified of losing a.i. because there's nothing for him to go back to
Your second point was where my mind immediately went. I have never used AI at work and have no way to use AI at work even if I wanted to, because I don’t use a computer for work. Even if I was a massive AI supporter, I’d still see exactly zero difference at work.
Seriously. What were these people doing like two years ago and what are they doing now that is different? Everyone in my office that uses a lo of AI is just doing it because they are lazy and don't care that their work product is shit because it was shit anyway.
Exactly. I’m a professional, but I use AI in my work now. It makes things easier and faster (by digging though logs for 24 hours and whatnot), but I did that before.
Sure I’d be able to do my job just the same, but getting paged at 2am, I’d have to spend 45 mins figuring out what to do (clicking links, waiting for page loads, parsing 2000 log lines, etc) while AI does it in just 5-10mins. I get to focus on my actual work instead of the bullshit oncall alarms.
I hate the environmental impact, but those that know how to use it and program it are actually benefiting from it.
The environmental impact can be discussed. Maybe training Kimi 2.7 is like sending a rocket to the moon. But using it locally can be optimized and then is as much as running your GPU. Arguably the impact is similar to gaming then.
(I know this is an unpopular opinion because it reads as defending oligarchs. Sorry!)
I can't exactly remember the one time I used AI (probably two years ago or of curiosity) I can remember the last time I worked without AI (every day since then).
I don't think I've ever seen a more horrifying example of projection in my life 💀
He can't go through his day without AI because he's made himself dependent on it instead of doing anything for himself, and he genuinely thinks that everyone else is the same way.
People have surrendered their critical thinking skills. Truth is, AI disappearing overnight really would be disastrous, because a huge portion of humanity is utterly addicted to it and incompetent without it.
I mean I for one support hiring dumbasses. We're all dumbasses in some area, we've just got to help eachother out, so I help you in an area you're a dumbass about and then you help me bully HR or something.
Let's just not pretend like we aren't dumbasses. Only the boss wins then.
The AI bubble might pop, but just as the dotcom bubble didn't mean the end of the internet it won't mean the end of AI. LLMs (or whatever might supersede them) are here to stay.
I agree, but it will mean an end to highly subsidized LLM subscriptions and free access to any cloud LLM worth actually using for anything, which will make it much harder for the average person to rely on LLMs as much as this person.
I don't usually support "cull the weak" kinda mentalities... but cull the weak! Take away their AI and let the unemployed people who refuse to use AI take their jobs. I wanna see all these AI supporters go to the bottom of the barrel where they belong.
I think most people were totally incompetent before AI. It's just that now they have a tool that creates bullshit for them and an excuse when problems arise.
Some of the requests that come into my office now it's like, I know the person barely even knows what they're asking for, but they put it in the shape of a valid request so now I've got to expend energy to educate them on how what they're asking for doesn't make sense.
If they'd just come to me with honest questions and a rough outline of what they wanted, I could've helped them, but because they insist on filtering everything through an LLM I've got to try to communicate through this thick, meaning-eroding medium. It's like trying to talk to someone through a mattress. Whatever happened to having the courage of your convictions. sigh
People have assumptions of what correct communication should be, and it generally has a minimum page length instead of minimum content amount.
The worst cases I've seen is when they're trying to convince someone of something verbally, they get the agreement very quickly, but get stuck in convince mode rather than moving on since it shouldn't be that easy.
Maybe. It may be recent enough that people could lapse back to some level of thinking for themselves.
Let's explore something much more dependent now and see if it holds up. What if smartphones disappeared? We still have cellular phones, the Nokia makes a comeback, but the use of smartphones, iPads, tablets, that whole concept is gone. You have to get on a computer to do any of the internet type interactions.
Very large sections of the workforce are no longer adequately trained in their field. This was not the case before AI. They need to be weaned off gradually while providing proper training, like a recovering addict.
Seeing as how I live in the 3rd world, it appears my assertions continue to be correct: Western governing bodies have allowed technology outfits to outsource critical thinking leading to dire economic conditions. I would never claim that local conditions are much better, because populations outrank available jobs here. But AI will likely never assume the role of human labour in Asia simply because we don't treat it like a tool for lazy thinking or a profiteering-at-any-cost machine. We understand the necessity of human labour across multiple disciplines and industries, because even the most incompetent moron needs to eat and enjoy the fruits of their labour. Arrogance, ignorance and indulgence has gotten the better of the West because comfort vs. conviction is a forgotten battlefield for many. I'd feel bad for you lot, but you all did it to your selves. Good luck.
I think there's definitely truth to this. Since the west de-industrialised and now largely deals in services, labour isn't really viewed as production of things of value, but just something you do to get a salary. People are utterly alienated from their work and increasingly care less about the quality of the outcome or the society-wide impacts of changing labour relations.
I work as a software engineer and I don't use any of those things.... so yea... if I can do it, most people, the overwhelming majority of people can do it.
The recipient of the report probably uses A.I. to summarise it. So all the useless reports are actually an indirect and inefficient communication mechanism between different A.I. instances. Maybe we should cut out the middle man(ager)
Sounds like he and AI deserve each other, and he should probably just start a new company with just him and AI to do all the work without those inefficient employees. In fact, he should ask AI if it's a good idea. If there's anything he's unsure about, AI could reassure him to go for it.
Sis fr, I'm a freelancer music producer and I've seen my demand fall into the ground, a horrific free fall to the darkest of the bottomless gaps... All that while they just use and praise music that sounds all like if it were just chops from the same giant shitty song.
I use Claude Code daily at work and yes, I am VERY willing to give it up if this LLM and generative bubble completely blew up tomorrow. I'd be more than happy to see it disappear.
I am VERY willing to give it up if this LLM and generative bubble completely blew up tomorrow
The best part is that when the bubble blows we'll still be left with dozens of LLMs that can run locally on modest hardware with results not far behind the "frontier" bullshit, and nobody will be shoving AI down our throats every waking moment.
IT, huh? You know Musk is gonna forcibly hook you up to Neuralink and hack your brain to train AI, don't you? Then he'll transplant it into an Optimus robot, so you'll never be able to fold laundry again! And you'll fall over a lot!
I've only actually used AI like 10 times I don't think it was actually particularly helpful in even half of those. It mostly just gave me wrong information it made up and I then had to go back and find the correct answers myself.
I, too, try it every once in a while just to see if I'm missing anyþing. So far, I haven't gotten any results which change my opinion.
I saw someone else (on Lemmy) saying þey þink anti-AI people are stuck wiþ perceptions from Ancient History, like opinions formed 6 mos ago, and really, AI is good. It's not accurate; most of us probably encounter some form of AI every day just because it's being shoved down our þroats, by search engines if noþing else. Þe code is always bad, or wrong, or boþ, and þe search results are lies often enough þat you can't trust it.
It's plenty relevant. The times I mentioned were actively trying to use it, putting in effort to rephrase prompts and whatnot until I hit the cap on the conversation and it still couldn't give me what I needed, but even looking at the crap google spits out when I search it's always half wrong made up slop. How anyone can trust this shit is beyond me.
You only “trust” it if you’re turning your brain off.
Anyone who wants to keep their grades or job is reading everything that comes out and applying their human taste, and making serious edits and rewrites
I didn’t have to write those expressions, and I avoided all the effort of going to read the docs and relearn something I very rarely need. Plus the latest models usually nail it on the first try these days.
Reviewing large AI PRs is the worst. I think being verbose is a good thing through function and variable naming, and comments for head scratching bits of cose, but AI can take it to an extreme degree with comments everywhere. Reading and critequing/discussing code and patterns used to be one of my favorite parts of the job.
My coworker who's fully in bed with AI barely understood the code he wrote before, but asking him a question now is just an indirect means of using Claude. It has gotten to the point where I'm writing my PR comments more in the style of a prompt because it's obvious he just pastes them in to Claude anyway.
One is a user that experiences a symptom that could be described in a quick copy/paste with maybe a sentence. Instead they have "AI" dig in and generate a dissertation on what it thinks is the issue and the original issue is lost in the AI diagnosis. Since the user doesn't even have it wired up to actually test the hypothosis, it is just the AI first guess, which is frequently wrong. Wasting my time and failing to provide data.
The other is someone letting AI run over code and report "bugs" as in "it disagreed on some detail in the code, even though no person has actually experienced misbehavior, nor is the particular issue a security issue, but it might be an issue that some person one day eventually might hit".
But I totally feel the coworker that had questionable code before that is now just utterly hopeless thanks to AI. I have nothing to do with his project but occasionally got called in to figure out and explain why his code would flip out. It hasn't passed test in over a month as it's now eternally buggy. Any attempt he makes to fix bugs inevitably lands with more bugs. But it's too far now, he can't turn back (CodeGen rewrote his codebase in a language he can't follow, so he can't hand edit, and he's too afraid to roll back to when he almost understood his code). Hilarious one time within a week where he reported he could work on his project no more because he had exhausted his tokens, and without the tokens he can't do anything anymore. Framed this as a failure of management to fund his needs adequately.
I have been shocked at just how many people, people long in the business seem to actively hate writing code. How much additional work they are willing to go through to claim victory in development through prose. Spending hours trying to get CodeGen to fix a trivial CSS issue in a web page that would have taken less than a minute if they just hit f12 and looked at the offending element. I can't fathom how they could stand their careers for sometimes two decades before CodeGen came available if they hated it just so much.
Out of the few that said AI made their productivity better, most of them couldn’t code.
Note this point makes business leaders so excited. They hear "cheap labor can be productive". Missing the point that the output is supremely dubious. They are "productive" because they don't even know if the result is good or not, and so they can accept what is handed to them.
Currently, have a feature I thought we should have done, but management said one of the sales reps vibed up the answer, so we don't need to do it. I used it and pointed out that the result was actually incorrect, but management thinks I'm just some luddite because they can't understand the nature of the problems either.
Took me quite a few years to realize: when looking at usefulness of AI, I think in terms of "does it help me do my work better". A lot of other people only think of "does it help to spew out more <whatever. lines of code? bug fixes? releases?>"
Analogy is a little weak, because so much of modern AI has been shoehorned in after obliterating the more traditional routes for internet information lookups.
If the traditional search engines have had their results irrepairably ruined by SEO and advertising? If you're locked out of Wikipedia, because it's been blacklisted for Wokeness? If StackExchange and Reddit have gone to shit because of all the spam? If you can't use Discord from your company/school intranet? If your coworkers are all new hires, because your boss fired all the old-heads for demanding real living wages, and now you're surrounded by a bunch of college grads with no experience in the company systems?
Who's really blocking Wikipedia though? Is that real?
If my work environment was like that I'd be spending my workdays applying to other jobs as soon as I realized they live in the fictional trump cult version of "reality" meanwhile retaining evidence of their workplace political malfeasance to report if possible.
Who’s really blocking Wikipedia though? Is that real?
YMMV. I've been on intranets that keep a whitelist and block everything else. And since Wikipedia wasn't whitelisted, it was blocked by default.
If my work environment was like that I’d be spending my workdays applying to other jobs as soon as I realized they live in the fictional trump cult version of “reality” meanwhile retaining evidence of their workplace political malfeasance to report if possible.
If you're a consultant, you're going to be working inside other people's networks. And those networks are going to have their own rules.
Is that a trick question? Only imposters and truly inept people cannot live without AI support. The rest of us use their knowledge and experience to do our work, like we did in the years before this "Gift for the terminally inept" came about.
@schroedingersKoala the propaganda has even tricked some smart people I know. Its insane. If youre not constantly vigilant against it you can get sucked in. And most people have no idea theyre part of the grift.
Like. I work for a landscaping company. There is zero application of AI/LLMs/whatever to any aspect of my work. None of that shit is going to help me move piles of dirt, or plant saplings.
This is partly what's been said in this thread (from my skimming of the top 10 comments) but also because a lot of people are so fucking dumb that AI has been like Neo in the Matrix for them. They are so dumb that using basic words to search and filtering through the results seems like black magic. Now they feel empowered and smart. It's extremely fucking scary.
I only read the top 10 comments because I have taken my sleep medication and it's starting to win the fight ATM. Just needed to get this out before it was too late.
As someone who has made the occasional funny picture with the bingalator, how do you get to the point that you can not exist a day without some gen ai? Like how?
It does feel fixating on this guys stupid comment is typical "find the stupidest person who holds a view you disagree with an pile on them and parade it as supposedly representative". In discourse isn't the strongest move to discredit the best arguments you disagree with rather than the worst?
It is not far off the normal argument you see that somehow a chatbot is a revolutionary advancement to every facet of society. Even though, when pressed, all they can come up with is the nearly totally unrelated programs doing work on massive datasets in science and medicine or that it can almost write working isolated code in some languages.
This message doesn't really land well at all in the way this comic is made. Another post does a much better job of undermining the comment by comparing to a meth addict.
The only use for machine learning I have is translation software, which was getting pretty good already before the LLM hype. Assuming I'd get that back at the pre-hype levels I'd have zero impact.
I only use it for checking how it would propose to formulate a sentence in French, but then I write my own anyway. Since it would be weird to pretend that was my level of skill towards the customer. Or sometimes I translate back my wobbly French to see if I went really wrong or ran into some false friends (terms that sound similar among the languages but have different meaning).
It's like consulting the Chess Engine for the engine move to me.
If this software too vanished, then I'd just have to use the online dictionaries even more. And be even slower, but who cares this is only once every few weeks, anyway. Most French speaking Swiss are fine with English in text form too.
We have gone from reasonably-okay translation programs to "intelligent" systems that are flat-out incorrect. And somehow people believe that the incorrect ones are better.
I look forward to this particular hype train running off the rails sooner rather than later.
Yes for Google Translate at least. It's still possible to inject prompts in your "translation", too. I've noticed a considerable drop in accuracy translating to English, too... The English is more natural but "forgets" to include some information in the original text. This stuffs up my old workflow because now I can't rely on Google translate at least translating all the nouns (e.g. it will drop some names in a list of people)
I use (local) AI as a hobby daily to create images of Dragons, Elves and Cyberpunk. If it would go away I would just go back to play videogames. Nothing lost.
The only productive* use I've actually found had/had figuring out and fixing obscure errors in Linux. Like finding something useful in that mound of sewage.
The only person I know who uses Ai religiously is a schizophrenic with grandiose delusions... so you can just imagine.
I'm assuming it saved me time. I'm absolutely sure I would have figured it out eventually.
I used to use ChatGPT and Copilot, but then I stopped because they sucked too bad to justify the price. I spun up an Ollama instance on my server but I almost never use that either because it sucks really bad. I integrated it into my Home Assistant instance and it sucks so bad that when I ask it to simply turn off a light, it only succeeds about 1 in 5 times.
It might not even be a prompt problem, but an overkill to a simple job. Sounds like the breaking point might be voice recognition - which I really thought would be much further along by now with all the other advancements. It seems figuring out what unique voices are saying is one of the hardest things to do well, and then add in background noises. Probably why the drive-thru AI attempts were terrible, working that job as a human can be difficult.
Has it's ups and downs honestly, it helps me automate some annoying tasks, but yes it's expendable, people seem to forget that's at the end of the day it's just an another tool.
Ah, yes. Just another tool that is in the hands of people who don't want to pay humans. Who are stealing art and novels from actual people for "training" purposes. A tool that is chewing up natural resources and straining power grids. It is a weapon being used by those in power to destroy human creation. Not a tool.
Yeah, someone can run a local model and then train or fine-tune it with other people's work, then make it spit a sloppy collage of all it and say is something new and that they did it so it's of their property.
You can actually fine-tune or even train or re-train local models.
Not everyone is doing that but a everyday bigger amount of people is doing so. And whoever that do that is because they want a a model tailored to their needs, that may be too hiperspecific.
Most of these AI-bros do use local AI so they don't have to pay for it.
And in the same line, if they're "AI 'artists'" (although the correct name would be AI-sloppers), they're gonna train or fine tune these models with whatever they want to, without any permission, then they're gonna sell the resultant collages (literally, collages) on internet while robbing other artists work.
I have suffered that (I'm music producer and I have listened to plenty of literal fragments of music I have manually produced inside and output of some "AI 'musicians'", and the worst part is those songs were WIPs I showed to some friends in a private group in Discord). My best friend too (he's drawer and, again, he has seen literal fragments of his drawings, but also of drawings from artists he follows, and again, these drawings were only shared in a private group).
LLMs are explosively imprecise, statistically luke-warm, grey goo extrusion spinsters, which is why all the logos for ‘AI’ companies are variations of arseholes.
I don't even use it that much. Sometimes as a last resort when searching yields no answers, but then usually it just answers something not quite right so... wouldn't miss it.
I think most blue collar and service workers would be fine. I wonder what the world looks like to someone who doesn't know anything except office work exists.
I get that people are afraid of change, which some countries do a bad job at protecting people from. That's a separate (political) issue. I'm personally not a fan of how the U.S. handles such transformations. However, that aside, wouldn't it be cool if we could do more ambitious things and have better quality of life?
For example, embodied AI will be able to take over household chores. It can already do very basic programming chores (babysit this, wait for that and kick this off if it works or try that if not) that don't make sense to automate with a shell script.
I’ve been using AI as a data querying machine, and that has become a game changer for me.
I can ask it to do an aggregation query in our few thousands datasets within our company, and the AI can produce some series of 100 line SQL queries within seconds. I, and my team, can go far deeper and faster in our data analysis than before.
So yeah, if AI disappeared tomorrow I would be deeply impacted.
Most jobs don't matter tbh. Does any society actually need advertisers/marketing people, corporate executives (or frankly about 70% of middle management jobs), corporate consultants, or private equity? These jobs could vanish overnight and no one in the general population would give a shit. Lots of those jobs are a net negative to society, people might even be better off.
AI just exacerbates the existing trend of Bullshit Jobs by allowing people to produce orders of magnitude more worthless garbage (which is a massive boon to the worthless garbage industy, e.g. advertising, fraud, and propaganda).
My job is mainly producing the thousands of datasets. Producing one-off SQL queries for our customers is merely a side quest (which is now aided by AI). I can spend more time on my main quest.
Ooh no, no these people are very much arguing against that. But it is because they don't understand it. Only someone that wrote 100 lines of sql and then got handed it in seconds can reasonably understand. Ironic that it's also only these people that could check it for errors which is required if you actually want it to be useful, because it hallucinates. Yet it is useful. If you need to write those and know how it should look and produce and know enough syntax to vet the script, then it is faster than just making it by hand. But the layers of ignorance at every turn of this discovery is sad. Fueled by the political environment no doubt.
Well, here you can’t mention you’re using AI for your job without anyone pointing out that the job cannot possibly be of real value if AI can help you with it.
Tbf, the whole industry is heavily weighted towards the LLMs that steal data, produce lies, and ruin lives. Mostly, to convince shareholders to keep inflating the bubble that is primed to fuck up at least one nation’s entire economy.
I hand write all my queries because I don't need or want an LLM to fuck up something important and challenging. I think you're being down voted because we think you're taking the lazy route and giving up on an opportunity to keep your brain exercised and smart.
That’s what I believed too before I started using it for this purpose. This resolved a larger bottleneck in my daily work and allows me to use my brain for more useful stuff.
But I’m not allowed to say that here. How dare I forming my own opinion!
What has productivity gains done for anyone in the last 50 years? You're handing more value to your employer and to the tech oligarchs for the same pay at the cost of your own intelligence along with a myriad of other social and environmental problems. But it's worth it because YOU say so. Ok buddy.
They have historically done nothing but make the rich richer at society's expense. If this tool were an actual benefit to the people no one could deny it. Yet there is so much evidence of the contrary.
You can get so much more work done, yay. Who does that really benefit?
Don't even mind them. They said AI can't be useful because that's a bullshit generator. Now AI is useful. Now they hate it for other reasons. They say that AI destroys the environment. But if everybody would run it locally on their own machine with the same energy demands they would be perfectly fine with it. The reasonable enemy would be the lack of energy efficient AI hardware, or anything else really but a technology, yet they hate the technology. It's trendy here to hate AI, so they like to let you know that your tribe is not their tribe in a very heated manner.
look. okay, I'm with you to put an end to AI art. the data centers..
the misuse is out of hand.
but we are assuming no one is using it for a legitimate benefit like to detect or cure cancer and because that one person over there saw some AI art, are we supposed to assume that that is all it is used for?
Starting this dialogue like this is just lack of education and assumes everyone should lack the same education.
It is insulting.
It's akin to banning disinfectant cuz some people cant put it in a safe area of their house away from their children so you just lazily call it all shit.
It's a boarish approach to discussion, problems and solutions.
@Smoogs I will add that while it could potentially be used for things like large data sorting (still, we have had ml doing this for decades that no one cared about because again, propaganda), but the bads FARRRRRRRRR outweigh the good in every possible scenario. Timmy gets a generated picture of a giraffe while we face the uprising of a technofascist oligarchy that constantly surveils and makes deepfakes to rid anyone who doesnt worship Dear Leader. You are being surveiled for future "crime".
I do not disagree. I'm for a far more regulated use of AI. I just think treating every problem with a THING=BAD hammer is an unsophisticated way to follow up on any complex problem that requires some secondary thought.
@Smoogs oh totally. In the end its just a supercomputer , its not impressive, just takes throwing trillions of dollars at something. Humans control it.
If they were publicly owned, transparently managed, powered by green energy, and any profits made from them would go to the nations poorest, I'd be totally behind it!
The sort of AI that reads radiology scans has almost nothing in common with the sort of AI that develops drugs has almost nothing in common with large language models. A key difference is that the first two require orders of magnitude less processing power. If that was all AI was used for, we wouldn't be claiming people's houses under eminent domain in order to build beefier power lines for AI datacenters, and the EPA wouldn't be loosening environmental regulations on power plants devoted exclusively to AI datacenters. We would also be able to afford computer parts.
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Kirp123@lemmy.world · 200 pts · 15d
I guess nobody did any work a few years back when AI wasn't being shoved down our throats. Also imagine being a carpenter or an electrician and being asked if you can get through your entire workday without AI. That guy is such an idiot is makes my head hurt.
velma@sh.itjust.works · 99 pts · 15d
Seriously - the AI bubble is very recent. Pretending like no one can possibly remember how they functioned before AI was being used everywhere is asinine.
frisbird@lemmy.ml · 84 pts · 15d
He's telling on himself. He doesn't actually know how to do anything and he never did. He's terrified of losing a.i. because there's nothing for him to go back to
Grail@multiverse.soulism.net · 12 pts · 15d
These addicts can't remember how to function without LLMs. They've destroyed their brains.
BurntWits@sh.itjust.works · 32 pts · 15d
Your second point was where my mind immediately went. I have never used AI at work and have no way to use AI at work even if I wanted to, because I don’t use a computer for work. Even if I was a massive AI supporter, I’d still see exactly zero difference at work.
UnspecificGravity@piefed.social · 7 pts · 15d
Seriously. What were these people doing like two years ago and what are they doing now that is different? Everyone in my office that uses a lo of AI is just doing it because they are lazy and don't care that their work product is shit because it was shit anyway.
Flames5123@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 15d
Exactly. I’m a professional, but I use AI in my work now. It makes things easier and faster (by digging though logs for 24 hours and whatnot), but I did that before.
Sure I’d be able to do my job just the same, but getting paged at 2am, I’d have to spend 45 mins figuring out what to do (clicking links, waiting for page loads, parsing 2000 log lines, etc) while AI does it in just 5-10mins. I get to focus on my actual work instead of the bullshit oncall alarms.
I hate the environmental impact, but those that know how to use it and program it are actually benefiting from it.
anzo@programming.dev · 4 pts · 15d
The environmental impact can be discussed. Maybe training Kimi 2.7 is like sending a rocket to the moon. But using it locally can be optimized and then is as much as running your GPU. Arguably the impact is similar to gaming then.
(I know this is an unpopular opinion because it reads as defending oligarchs. Sorry!)
Leviathan@fedinsfw.app · 2 pts · 15d
I can't exactly remember the one time I used AI (probably two years ago or of curiosity) I can remember the last time I worked without AI (every day since then).
AmbitiousProcess@piefed.social · 141 pts · 15d
I don't think I've ever seen a more horrifying example of projection in my life 💀
He can't go through his day without AI because he's made himself dependent on it instead of doing anything for himself, and he genuinely thinks that everyone else is the same way.
davetortoise@reddthat.com · 37 pts · 15d
People have surrendered their critical thinking skills. Truth is, AI disappearing overnight really would be disastrous, because a huge portion of humanity is utterly addicted to it and incompetent without it.
PhoenixDog@lemmy.world · 55 pts · 15d
I'm perfectly okay with that outcome.
Jax@sh.itjust.works · 16 pts · 15d
Absolutely, let them burn
grrgyle@slrpnk.net · 5 pts · 15d
I mean I for one support hiring dumbasses. We're all dumbasses in some area, we've just got to help eachother out, so I help you in an area you're a dumbass about and then you help me bully HR or something.
Let's just not pretend like we aren't dumbasses. Only the boss wins then.
Jax@sh.itjust.works · 12 pts · 15d
There's a difference between being a genuine dumbass and choosing to be a dumbass.
grrgyle@slrpnk.net · 8 pts · 15d
This is true. I only support fellow dumbasses who come by it honestly
gh0stcassette@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 24 pts · 15d
I am completely okay with everyone dumb enough to outsource their critical thinking to AI having their lifestyle upended when the AI bubble pops
ammonium@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 15d
The AI bubble might pop, but just as the dotcom bubble didn't mean the end of the internet it won't mean the end of AI. LLMs (or whatever might supersede them) are here to stay.
gh0stcassette@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 16 pts · 15d
I agree, but it will mean an end to highly subsidized LLM subscriptions and free access to any cloud LLM worth actually using for anything, which will make it much harder for the average person to rely on LLMs as much as this person.
ammonium@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 15d
Just chatting with an LLM uses so few tokens I don't really see that changing
davidagain@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 15d
You sound like you have a subscription
ammonium@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 14d
What do you mean by that?
lightnsfw@reddthat.com · 22 pts · 15d
They're incompetent with it too.
Grail@multiverse.soulism.net · 16 pts · 15d
I don't usually support "cull the weak" kinda mentalities... but cull the weak! Take away their AI and let the unemployed people who refuse to use AI take their jobs. I wanna see all these AI supporters go to the bottom of the barrel where they belong.
You know, if we can't have UBI or a gift economy.
d4f0@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 15d
I think most people were totally incompetent before AI. It's just that now they have a tool that creates bullshit for them and an excuse when problems arise.
grrgyle@slrpnk.net · 16 pts · 15d
Some of the requests that come into my office now it's like, I know the person barely even knows what they're asking for, but they put it in the shape of a valid request so now I've got to expend energy to educate them on how what they're asking for doesn't make sense.
If they'd just come to me with honest questions and a rough outline of what they wanted, I could've helped them, but because they insist on filtering everything through an LLM I've got to try to communicate through this thick, meaning-eroding medium. It's like trying to talk to someone through a mattress. Whatever happened to having the courage of your convictions. sigh
HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club · 7 pts · 15d
People have assumptions of what correct communication should be, and it generally has a minimum page length instead of minimum content amount.
The worst cases I've seen is when they're trying to convince someone of something verbally, they get the agreement very quickly, but get stuck in convince mode rather than moving on since it shouldn't be that easy.
Rhaedas@fedia.io · 3 pts · 15d
Maybe. It may be recent enough that people could lapse back to some level of thinking for themselves.
Let's explore something much more dependent now and see if it holds up. What if smartphones disappeared? We still have cellular phones, the Nokia makes a comeback, but the use of smartphones, iPads, tablets, that whole concept is gone. You have to get on a computer to do any of the internet type interactions.
Would people lose their minds?
Aetherial@nord.pub · 1 pts · 13d
Uh, yes? Unequivocally yes? Lol
darkwing_duck@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 15d
Oh no! Anyway...
Dookieman12@piefed.social · 2 pts · 15d
Sounds like natural selection to me
Aetherial@nord.pub · 0 pts · 13d
Uh, parse that out. Incompetent morons have always existed. How would it be disastrous to cut them off AI cold turkey?
davetortoise@reddthat.com · 1 pts · 13d
Very large sections of the workforce are no longer adequately trained in their field. This was not the case before AI. They need to be weaned off gradually while providing proper training, like a recovering addict.
Aetherial@nord.pub · 1 pts · 12d
Why wouldnt they be trained properly and then given a job role? Are they being trained by other incompetent morons or AI?
davetortoise@reddthat.com · 1 pts · 12d
Yes, they are. In vast numbers.
Aetherial@nord.pub · 1 pts · 10d
Seeing as how I live in the 3rd world, it appears my assertions continue to be correct: Western governing bodies have allowed technology outfits to outsource critical thinking leading to dire economic conditions. I would never claim that local conditions are much better, because populations outrank available jobs here. But AI will likely never assume the role of human labour in Asia simply because we don't treat it like a tool for lazy thinking or a profiteering-at-any-cost machine. We understand the necessity of human labour across multiple disciplines and industries, because even the most incompetent moron needs to eat and enjoy the fruits of their labour. Arrogance, ignorance and indulgence has gotten the better of the West because comfort vs. conviction is a forgotten battlefield for many. I'd feel bad for you lot, but you all did it to your selves. Good luck.
davetortoise@reddthat.com · 1 pts · 10d
I think there's definitely truth to this. Since the west de-industrialised and now largely deals in services, labour isn't really viewed as production of things of value, but just something you do to get a salary. People are utterly alienated from their work and increasingly care less about the quality of the outcome or the society-wide impacts of changing labour relations.
OwOarchist@pawb.social · 11 pts · 15d
He asked ChatGPT if everyone else is dependent on AI, and it said yes.
yermaw@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 15d
The worst is hes on the "right side of history" there. Pretty much every boss in every company in every industry seems to go "lets go AI yeah bwoi".
SailorFuzz@lemmy.world · 96 pts · 15d
I work as a software engineer and I don't use any of those things.... so yea... if I can do it, most people, the overwhelming majority of people can do it.
criss_cross@lemmy.world · 35 pts · 15d
I’m forced to for work but I could happily go back if it all disappeared.
In fact I wish it would.
VitoRobles@lemmy.today · 30 pts · 15d
But if it disappeared, how will all those middle managements write all those hundreds of TPS reports that nobody reads?
criss_cross@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 15d
Or send automated posts of gibberish and feel productive?!?!?
Zarobi@aussie.zone · 0 pts · 15d
The recipient of the report probably uses A.I. to summarise it. So all the useless reports are actually an indirect and inefficient communication mechanism between different A.I. instances. Maybe we should cut out the middle man(ager)
gratux@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 4 pts · 15d
If by "forced" you mean they reprimand you for not spending enough tokens, do I have a project for you https://github.com/dtnewman/burn-baby-burn.git
criss_cross@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 14d
Oh I’m using that.
AVincentInSpace@pawb.social · 1 pts · 14d
Jesus Christ that's cynical.
kamenlady@lemmy.world · 29 pts · 15d
I envy you. The company i work at fully embraced ai ...
My boss said it out loud yesterday: you know guys, i don't really depend on you anymore.
He must have wet dreams about developing software for a customer, without having to pay some stupid developers for it.
Maxxie@piefed.blahaj.zone · 28 pts · 15d
As a poor soul who's trying to refactor a fully vibe-coded project (in prod BTW) into something half-decent: hahahahahahahah
NekoKoneko@lemmy.world · 25 pts · 15d
Sounds like he and AI deserve each other, and he should probably just start a new company with just him and AI to do all the work without those inefficient employees. In fact, he should ask AI if it's a good idea. If there's anything he's unsure about, AI could reassure him to go for it.
Kangae_Hishiryo@scribe.disroot.org · 6 pts · 15d
Sis fr, I'm a freelancer music producer and I've seen my demand fall into the ground, a horrific free fall to the darkest of the bottomless gaps... All that while they just use and praise music that sounds all like if it were just chops from the same giant shitty song.
Kangae_Hishiryo@scribe.disroot.org · 1 pts · 15d
And the ones who can't do it are actually just stupid and inept folks that barely can read and they still stutter.
hayvan@piefed.world · 57 pts · 15d
I use Claude Code daily at work and yes, I am VERY willing to give it up if this LLM and generative bubble completely blew up tomorrow. I'd be more than happy to see it disappear.
balsoft@lemmy.ml · 19 pts · 15d
The best part is that when the bubble blows we'll still be left with dozens of LLMs that can run locally on modest hardware with results not far behind the "frontier" bullshit, and nobody will be shoving AI down our throats every waking moment.
A_Chilean_Cyborg@feddit.cl · 48 pts · 15d
this dude is literally this meme:
Tattorack@lemmy.world · 43 pts · 15d
To this guy who very likely will never see this comment:
I get through my day without using an LLM quite nicely. In fact, I don't use ChatGPT or any other form of generative garbage at all. Ever.
Magnum@infosec.pub · 21 pts · 15d
Me too and I'm in IT
liimnok@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 15d
Same and same.
finallymadeanaccount@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 15d
IT, huh? You know Musk is gonna forcibly hook you up to Neuralink and hack your brain to train AI, don't you? Then he'll transplant it into an Optimus robot, so you'll never be able to fold laundry again! And you'll fall over a lot!
FardyCakes@lemmy.world · 42 pts · 15d
Don’t threaten me with a good time.
KokusnussRitter@discuss.tchncs.de · 35 pts · 15d
Get through a work day without it? Yes. BECAUSE THEN I'D ACTUALLY HAVE A FUCKING JOB.
...sorry for screaming.
Sanctus@anarchist.nexus · 23 pts · 15d
Can't believe they made talking to your computer like they do in Tron lame as fuck in real life
Ziglin@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 15d
Same with Star Trek but at least we Scotty is still very competent using the keyboard as a last resort as seen in Star Trek IV.
lightnsfw@reddthat.com · 21 pts · 15d
I've only actually used AI like 10 times I don't think it was actually particularly helpful in even half of those. It mostly just gave me wrong information it made up and I then had to go back and find the correct answers myself.
Sxan@piefed.zip · 13 pts · 15d
I, too, try it every once in a while just to see if I'm missing anyþing. So far, I haven't gotten any results which change my opinion.
I saw someone else (on Lemmy) saying þey þink anti-AI people are stuck wiþ perceptions from Ancient History, like opinions formed 6 mos ago, and really, AI is good. It's not accurate; most of us probably encounter some form of AI every day just because it's being shoved down our þroats, by search engines if noþing else. Þe code is always bad, or wrong, or boþ, and þe search results are lies often enough þat you can't trust it.
Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it · 3 pts · 15d
No like, seriously, this comment was really unreadable this time, please stop using thorn
Strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 14d
You get used to it
lIlIlIlIlIlIl@lemmy.world · -12 pts · 15d
Skill issue
Gerblat@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 15d
Yeah, the skill of the AI
lIlIlIlIlIlIl@lemmy.world · -7 pts · 15d
If we’re going to discuss AI, it might as well be relevant and not from one personal anecdote from someone who actively hates the technology.
We can all agree that’s not a fair take
lightnsfw@reddthat.com · 10 pts · 15d
It's plenty relevant. The times I mentioned were actively trying to use it, putting in effort to rephrase prompts and whatnot until I hit the cap on the conversation and it still couldn't give me what I needed, but even looking at the crap google spits out when I search it's always half wrong made up slop. How anyone can trust this shit is beyond me.
lIlIlIlIlIlIl@lemmy.world · -5 pts · 15d
You only “trust” it if you’re turning your brain off.
Anyone who wants to keep their grades or job is reading everything that comes out and applying their human taste, and making serious edits and rewrites
lightnsfw@reddthat.com · 9 pts · 15d
So then what the fuck is the point?
lIlIlIlIlIlIl@lemmy.world · -6 pts · 15d
I didn’t have to write those expressions, and I avoided all the effort of going to read the docs and relearn something I very rarely need. Plus the latest models usually nail it on the first try these days.
DarkCloud@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 15d
Have literally caught AI getting Holocaust facts wrong on repeated occasions. Anyone taking it seriously is full of misinformation at this point.
fosho@lemmy.ca · 20 pts · 15d
Another senior software dev here with nearly 20 years experience. I have never needed or used these tools. Cuz fuckem, that's why.
HereIAm@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 15d
Reviewing large AI PRs is the worst. I think being verbose is a good thing through function and variable naming, and comments for head scratching bits of cose, but AI can take it to an extreme degree with comments everywhere. Reading and critequing/discussing code and patterns used to be one of my favorite parts of the job.
My coworker who's fully in bed with AI barely understood the code he wrote before, but asking him a question now is just an indirect means of using Claude. It has gotten to the point where I'm writing my PR comments more in the style of a prompt because it's obvious he just pastes them in to Claude anyway.
jj4211@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 14d
One thing worse than AI PRs is AI bug reports.
One is a user that experiences a symptom that could be described in a quick copy/paste with maybe a sentence. Instead they have "AI" dig in and generate a dissertation on what it thinks is the issue and the original issue is lost in the AI diagnosis. Since the user doesn't even have it wired up to actually test the hypothosis, it is just the AI first guess, which is frequently wrong. Wasting my time and failing to provide data.
The other is someone letting AI run over code and report "bugs" as in "it disagreed on some detail in the code, even though no person has actually experienced misbehavior, nor is the particular issue a security issue, but it might be an issue that some person one day eventually might hit".
But I totally feel the coworker that had questionable code before that is now just utterly hopeless thanks to AI. I have nothing to do with his project but occasionally got called in to figure out and explain why his code would flip out. It hasn't passed test in over a month as it's now eternally buggy. Any attempt he makes to fix bugs inevitably lands with more bugs. But it's too far now, he can't turn back (CodeGen rewrote his codebase in a language he can't follow, so he can't hand edit, and he's too afraid to roll back to when he almost understood his code). Hilarious one time within a week where he reported he could work on his project no more because he had exhausted his tokens, and without the tokens he can't do anything anymore. Framed this as a failure of management to fund his needs adequately.
I have been shocked at just how many people, people long in the business seem to actively hate writing code. How much additional work they are willing to go through to claim victory in development through prose. Spending hours trying to get CodeGen to fix a trivial CSS issue in a web page that would have taken less than a minute if they just hit f12 and looked at the offending element. I can't fathom how they could stand their careers for sometimes two decades before CodeGen came available if they hated it just so much.
frog@feddit.uk · 5 pts · 15d
Most developers reported AI made their productivity worse.
Out of the few that said AI made their productivity better, most of them couldn't code.
jj4211@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 14d
Note this point makes business leaders so excited. They hear "cheap labor can be productive". Missing the point that the output is supremely dubious. They are "productive" because they don't even know if the result is good or not, and so they can accept what is handed to them.
Currently, have a feature I thought we should have done, but management said one of the sales reps vibed up the answer, so we don't need to do it. I used it and pointed out that the result was actually incorrect, but management thinks I'm just some luddite because they can't understand the nature of the problems either.
Shanmugha@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 15d
Took me quite a few years to realize: when looking at usefulness of AI, I think in terms of "does it help me do my work better". A lot of other people only think of "does it help to spew out more <whatever. lines of code? bug fixes? releases?>"
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 15d
Analogy is a little weak, because so much of modern AI has been shoehorned in after obliterating the more traditional routes for internet information lookups.
If the traditional search engines have had their results irrepairably ruined by SEO and advertising? If you're locked out of Wikipedia, because it's been blacklisted for Wokeness? If StackExchange and Reddit have gone to shit because of all the spam? If you can't use Discord from your company/school intranet? If your coworkers are all new hires, because your boss fired all the old-heads for demanding real living wages, and now you're surrounded by a bunch of college grads with no experience in the company systems?
Then yeah, I guess AI is what you're left with.
RaoulDook@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 15d
Who's really blocking Wikipedia though? Is that real?
If my work environment was like that I'd be spending my workdays applying to other jobs as soon as I realized they live in the fictional trump cult version of "reality" meanwhile retaining evidence of their workplace political malfeasance to report if possible.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 15d
YMMV. I've been on intranets that keep a whitelist and block everything else. And since Wikipedia wasn't whitelisted, it was blocked by default.
If you're a consultant, you're going to be working inside other people's networks. And those networks are going to have their own rules.
MangoPenguin@piefed.social · 18 pts · 15d
I suppose they just can't imagine that there are people who don't use it.
They must think that everyone is addicted to it as they are.
CaptPretentious@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 15d
Oh no, to go back to the prehistoric time of 2021...
FreddiesLantern@leminal.space · 17 pts · 15d
Been getting along just fine without thank you very much.
schroedingersKoala@piefed.ca · 16 pts · 15d
Is that a trick question? Only imposters and truly inept people cannot live without AI support. The rest of us use their knowledge and experience to do our work, like we did in the years before this "Gift for the terminally inept" came about.
bountygiver@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 14d
This is responding to a different post about how an AI bro acting smug of like "You hate AI so much? Try going through a day without Claude"
Found the post this comic is making fun of: https://lemmy.world/post/50401646
bridgeenjoyer@gamepad.club · 1 pts · 14d
@schroedingersKoala the propaganda has even tricked some smart people I know. Its insane. If youre not constantly vigilant against it you can get sucked in. And most people have no idea theyre part of the grift.
kestrel7_7@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 15d
I love shit like this.
Like. I work for a landscaping company. There is zero application of AI/LLMs/whatever to any aspect of my work. None of that shit is going to help me move piles of dirt, or plant saplings.
Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 14d
"If AI was banned right now, would you be able to go on without it?"
Yes. I do this everyday.
sulgoth@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 14d
I really have to try but same. Not because I like AI though, it’s just genuinely hard to use tech now adays without stumbling into something using AI.
AmyAye@nord.pub · 14 pts · 15d
I don't even use any of that for work now so...
Nurse_Robot@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 15d
Wild fucking take
M137@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 15d
This is partly what's been said in this thread (from my skimming of the top 10 comments) but also because a lot of people are so fucking dumb that AI has been like Neo in the Matrix for them. They are so dumb that using basic words to search and filtering through the results seems like black magic. Now they feel empowered and smart. It's extremely fucking scary.
I only read the top 10 comments because I have taken my sleep medication and it's starting to win the fight ATM. Just needed to get this out before it was too late.
SomethingBurger@jlai.lu · 1 pts · 15d
Sleep tight!
chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 15d
I don't use any of it now, so......it'd be pretty easy, actually.
M0oP0o@mander.xyz · 11 pts · 15d
As someone who has made the occasional funny picture with the bingalator, how do you get to the point that you can not exist a day without some gen ai? Like how?
reka@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 15d
It does feel fixating on this guys stupid comment is typical "find the stupidest person who holds a view you disagree with an pile on them and parade it as supposedly representative". In discourse isn't the strongest move to discredit the best arguments you disagree with rather than the worst?
Though he is a dick so who cares.
JcbAzPx@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 14d
It is not far off the normal argument you see that somehow a chatbot is a revolutionary advancement to every facet of society. Even though, when pressed, all they can come up with is the nearly totally unrelated programs doing work on massive datasets in science and medicine or that it can almost write working isolated code in some languages.
solidheron@sh.itjust.works · 10 pts · 15d
I'm fine with an offline ai
lIlIlIlIlIlIl@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 15d
Nuance? On Lemmy?
solidheron@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 15d
Oh you found the mentally ill Lemmy users that prove why they got kicked off reddit
rebelsimile@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 15d
I’m not really all that anti-AI but that tweet is the stupidest argument ever. And kind of pathetic.
cRazi_man@europe.pub · 7 pts · 14d
This message doesn't really land well at all in the way this comic is made. Another post does a much better job of undermining the comment by comparing to a meth addict.
halfapage@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 15d
Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de · 5 pts · 15d
The only use for machine learning I have is translation software, which was getting pretty good already before the LLM hype. Assuming I'd get that back at the pre-hype levels I'd have zero impact.
I only use it for checking how it would propose to formulate a sentence in French, but then I write my own anyway. Since it would be weird to pretend that was my level of skill towards the customer. Or sometimes I translate back my wobbly French to see if I went really wrong or ran into some false friends (terms that sound similar among the languages but have different meaning).
It's like consulting the Chess Engine for the engine move to me.
If this software too vanished, then I'd just have to use the online dictionaries even more. And be even slower, but who cares this is only once every few weeks, anyway. Most French speaking Swiss are fine with English in text form too.
100_kg_90_de_belin@feddit.it · 7 pts · 15d
As a translator who changed careers because of CAT tools: fuck that shit. Translation agencies have used them to strangle the market. End of my rant.
nickiwest@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 14d
Maybe don't ask LLMs for translation help. Apparently because many of them are programmed in English, they still follow English structures when writing in other languages, resulting in products that are grammatically incorrect.
We have gone from reasonably-okay translation programs to "intelligent" systems that are flat-out incorrect. And somehow people believe that the incorrect ones are better.
I look forward to this particular hype train running off the rails sooner rather than later.
Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de · 1 pts · 14d
Well I haven't changed the tools I use (DeepL and Google Translate), but I assume they built in LLMs in the back end.
SuperApples@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 14d
Yes for Google Translate at least. It's still possible to inject prompts in your "translation", too. I've noticed a considerable drop in accuracy translating to English, too... The English is more natural but "forgets" to include some information in the original text. This stuffs up my old workflow because now I can't rely on Google translate at least translating all the nouns (e.g. it will drop some names in a list of people)
giminic@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 15d
I use (local) AI as a hobby daily to create images of Dragons, Elves and Cyberpunk. If it would go away I would just go back to play videogames. Nothing lost.
BehindetheClouds@reddthat.com · 5 pts · 15d
"Ai" has mostly wasted my time.
The only productive* use I've actually found had/had figuring out and fixing obscure errors in Linux. Like finding something useful in that mound of sewage.
The only person I know who uses Ai religiously is a schizophrenic with grandiose delusions... so you can just imagine.
jj4211@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 14d
Particularly other people's use of AI has wasted my time....
FoxtrotDeltaTango@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 15d
Ai sucks lol, I rarely use it
epicshepich@programming.dev · 5 pts · 15d
I used to use ChatGPT and Copilot, but then I stopped because they sucked too bad to justify the price. I spun up an Ollama instance on my server but I almost never use that either because it sucks really bad. I integrated it into my Home Assistant instance and it sucks so bad that when I ask it to simply turn off a light, it only succeeds about 1 in 5 times.
Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 5 pts · 15d
'You're just prompting it wrong.'
-The people who say LLMs have achieved AGI
Rhaedas@fedia.io · 2 pts · 15d
It might not even be a prompt problem, but an overkill to a simple job. Sounds like the breaking point might be voice recognition - which I really thought would be much further along by now with all the other advancements. It seems figuring out what unique voices are saying is one of the hardest things to do well, and then add in background noises. Probably why the drive-thru AI attempts were terrible, working that job as a human can be difficult.
ssx@fedinsfw.app · 4 pts · 15d
Has it's ups and downs honestly, it helps me automate some annoying tasks, but yes it's expendable, people seem to forget that's at the end of the day it's just an another tool.
ninjabard@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 15d
Ah, yes. Just another tool that is in the hands of people who don't want to pay humans. Who are stealing art and novels from actual people for "training" purposes. A tool that is chewing up natural resources and straining power grids. It is a weapon being used by those in power to destroy human creation. Not a tool.
ssx@fedinsfw.app · 3 pts · 15d
I honestly somehow forgot America and isnotReal exist.
for context I have always only used Chinese open source models and yes I got your point there, it's a valid point.
Let the bubble burst because of the Us Ai is more harm than good to the world, I'm not even that reliant on it.
lIlIlIlIlIlIl@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 15d
Did you completely forget about local models?
Kangae_Hishiryo@scribe.disroot.org · 2 pts · 15d
Yeah, someone can run a local model and then train or fine-tune it with other people's work, then make it spit a sloppy collage of all it and say is something new and that they did it so it's of their property.
lIlIlIlIlIlIl@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 15d
You don’t train nor fine tune local models, there’s no need. And for me they’re just helping write regular expressions most of the time.
Kangae_Hishiryo@scribe.disroot.org · 1 pts · 15d
You can actually fine-tune or even train or re-train local models.
Not everyone is doing that but a everyday bigger amount of people is doing so. And whoever that do that is because they want a a model tailored to their needs, that may be too hiperspecific.
Most of these AI-bros do use local AI so they don't have to pay for it. And in the same line, if they're "AI 'artists'" (although the correct name would be AI-sloppers), they're gonna train or fine tune these models with whatever they want to, without any permission, then they're gonna sell the resultant collages (literally, collages) on internet while robbing other artists work.
I have suffered that (I'm music producer and I have listened to plenty of literal fragments of music I have manually produced inside and output of some "AI 'musicians'", and the worst part is those songs were WIPs I showed to some friends in a private group in Discord). My best friend too (he's drawer and, again, he has seen literal fragments of his drawings, but also of drawings from artists he follows, and again, these drawings were only shared in a private group).
lIlIlIlIlIlIl@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 15d
Can you link me to local fine tuning or retraining? I’d love to lean a new technique
ThatGuy46475@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 15d
But how will I solve crosswords now
nonentity@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 14d
LLMs are explosively imprecise, statistically luke-warm, grey goo extrusion spinsters, which is why all the logos for ‘AI’ companies are variations of arseholes.
InFerNo@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 15d
I don't even use it that much. Sometimes as a last resort when searching yields no answers, but then usually it just answers something not quite right so... wouldn't miss it.
PDFuego@aussie.zone · 2 pts · 15d
I think most blue collar and service workers would be fine. I wonder what the world looks like to someone who doesn't know anything except office work exists.
turbowafflz@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 14d
I spent most of yesterday correcting someone's AI transcribed copy of our surplus sheet because it was so wrong
alcea@feddit.org · 2 pts · 15d
AI is a tool of truth. Sent to test mankind bringingmout their """"true"""" potenial.
Short list of potential:
Oh I can't wait to see what other types it will reveal
slacktoid@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 15d
Yes to see the people who call themselves coders but can't write hello world in Python without asking Claude
AmyAye@nord.pub · 1 pts · 15d
message1 = "Hello" message2 = "World" message3 = "!"
combined = f"{message1} {message2}{message3}"
print(combined)
sobchak@programming.dev · 4 pts · 15d
slacktoid@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 15d
Ya fucked up A-A-ron
Gammelfisch@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 14d
Yep, no problem.
nroth@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 14d
I get that people are afraid of change, which some countries do a bad job at protecting people from. That's a separate (political) issue. I'm personally not a fan of how the U.S. handles such transformations. However, that aside, wouldn't it be cool if we could do more ambitious things and have better quality of life?
For example, embodied AI will be able to take over household chores. It can already do very basic programming chores (babysit this, wait for that and kick this off if it works or try that if not) that don't make sense to automate with a shell script.
AntiBullyRanger@ani.social · 2 pts · 15d
This is a cry for help.
some1 intervene b4 it too late.
Sam_Bass@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 14d
good ANALogy
MeowerMisfit817@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 15d
The post under this one was ALSO about this!
ryannathans@aussie.zone · 1 pts · 15d
But then I'd actually have to work
darkmogool@feddit.org · 0 pts · 15d
YES
red_tomato@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 15d
I’ve been using AI as a data querying machine, and that has become a game changer for me.
I can ask it to do an aggregation query in our few thousands datasets within our company, and the AI can produce some series of 100 line SQL queries within seconds. I, and my team, can go far deeper and faster in our data analysis than before.
So yeah, if AI disappeared tomorrow I would be deeply impacted.
PhoenixDog@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 15d
Your job wouldn't be missed if AI disappeared tomorrow if you're that reliant on it.
Nothing you do matters. I hope you understand that.
gh0stcassette@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 11 pts · 15d
Most jobs don't matter tbh. Does any society actually need advertisers/marketing people, corporate executives (or frankly about 70% of middle management jobs), corporate consultants, or private equity? These jobs could vanish overnight and no one in the general population would give a shit. Lots of those jobs are a net negative to society, people might even be better off.
AI just exacerbates the existing trend of Bullshit Jobs by allowing people to produce orders of magnitude more worthless garbage (which is a massive boon to the worthless garbage industy, e.g. advertising, fraud, and propaganda).
red_tomato@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 15d
Tell that to the ones who are paying me to do my job.
PhoenixDog@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 15d
You just told us why they don't need to pay you much longer..
red_tomato@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 15d
Because we’re doing things faster than competition?
PhoenixDog@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 15d
You're not doing anything though. You admitted that in your post. If AI went away tomorrow you'd be screwed. You aren't doing a job, the AI is.
You're completely useless. And it won't be long until your bosses realize that.
red_tomato@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 15d
My job is mainly producing the thousands of datasets. Producing one-off SQL queries for our customers is merely a side quest (which is now aided by AI). I can spend more time on my main quest.
tacosanonymous@mander.xyz · 4 pts · 15d
I don’t think anyone is arguing against some of the very real applicable uses of llms in fields like data or even medicine.
Still, I would give those up so that tech bros stop hurting the working class.
KeenFlame@feddit.nu · 3 pts · 15d
Ooh no, no these people are very much arguing against that. But it is because they don't understand it. Only someone that wrote 100 lines of sql and then got handed it in seconds can reasonably understand. Ironic that it's also only these people that could check it for errors which is required if you actually want it to be useful, because it hallucinates. Yet it is useful. If you need to write those and know how it should look and produce and know enough syntax to vet the script, then it is faster than just making it by hand. But the layers of ignorance at every turn of this discovery is sad. Fueled by the political environment no doubt.
AVincentInSpace@pawb.social · 2 pts · 14d
You haven't been on Lemmy very long, have you?
red_tomato@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 15d
Well, here you can’t mention you’re using AI for your job without anyone pointing out that the job cannot possibly be of real value if AI can help you with it.
tacosanonymous@mander.xyz · 8 pts · 15d
Tbf, the whole industry is heavily weighted towards the LLMs that steal data, produce lies, and ruin lives. Mostly, to convince shareholders to keep inflating the bubble that is primed to fuck up at least one nation’s entire economy.
fosho@lemmy.ca · 0 pts · 15d
I hand write all my queries because I don't need or want an LLM to fuck up something important and challenging. I think you're being down voted because we think you're taking the lazy route and giving up on an opportunity to keep your brain exercised and smart.
red_tomato@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 15d
That’s what I believed too before I started using it for this purpose. This resolved a larger bottleneck in my daily work and allows me to use my brain for more useful stuff.
But I’m not allowed to say that here. How dare I forming my own opinion!
fosho@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 15d
What has productivity gains done for anyone in the last 50 years? You're handing more value to your employer and to the tech oligarchs for the same pay at the cost of your own intelligence along with a myriad of other social and environmental problems. But it's worth it because YOU say so. Ok buddy.
KeenFlame@feddit.nu · -3 pts · 15d
You rabidly hate productivity gains...?
fosho@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 14d
They have historically done nothing but make the rich richer at society's expense. If this tool were an actual benefit to the people no one could deny it. Yet there is so much evidence of the contrary.
You can get so much more work done, yay. Who does that really benefit?
fxdave@lemmy.ml · 0 pts · 15d
Don't even mind them. They said AI can't be useful because that's a bullshit generator. Now AI is useful. Now they hate it for other reasons. They say that AI destroys the environment. But if everybody would run it locally on their own machine with the same energy demands they would be perfectly fine with it. The reasonable enemy would be the lack of energy efficient AI hardware, or anything else really but a technology, yet they hate the technology. It's trendy here to hate AI, so they like to let you know that your tribe is not their tribe in a very heated manner.
Smoogs@lemmy.world · -3 pts · 15d
look. okay, I'm with you to put an end to AI art. the data centers.. the misuse is out of hand.
but we are assuming no one is using it for a legitimate benefit like to detect or cure cancer and because that one person over there saw some AI art, are we supposed to assume that that is all it is used for?
Starting this dialogue like this is just lack of education and assumes everyone should lack the same education.
It is insulting.
It's akin to banning disinfectant cuz some people cant put it in a safe area of their house away from their children so you just lazily call it all shit.
It's a boarish approach to discussion, problems and solutions.
bridgeenjoyer@gamepad.club · 10 pts · 14d
@Smoogs I will add that while it could potentially be used for things like large data sorting (still, we have had ml doing this for decades that no one cared about because again, propaganda), but the bads FARRRRRRRRR outweigh the good in every possible scenario. Timmy gets a generated picture of a giraffe while we face the uprising of a technofascist oligarchy that constantly surveils and makes deepfakes to rid anyone who doesnt worship Dear Leader. You are being surveiled for future "crime".
Smoogs@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 14d
I do not disagree. I'm for a far more regulated use of AI. I just think treating every problem with a THING=BAD hammer is an unsophisticated way to follow up on any complex problem that requires some secondary thought.
bridgeenjoyer@gamepad.club · 2 pts · 14d
@Smoogs oh totally. In the end its just a supercomputer , its not impressive, just takes throwing trillions of dollars at something. Humans control it.
If they were publicly owned, transparently managed, powered by green energy, and any profits made from them would go to the nations poorest, I'd be totally behind it!
raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 14d
Your verbal diarrhea is insulting to my eyes, that's what's insulting. LLMs != AI and no, they will not develop original ideas.
Smoogs@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 14d
I'm betting many things are insulting to your eyes dear.
AVincentInSpace@pawb.social · 3 pts · 14d
The sort of AI that reads radiology scans has almost nothing in common with the sort of AI that develops drugs has almost nothing in common with large language models. A key difference is that the first two require orders of magnitude less processing power. If that was all AI was used for, we wouldn't be claiming people's houses under eminent domain in order to build beefier power lines for AI datacenters, and the EPA wouldn't be loosening environmental regulations on power plants devoted exclusively to AI datacenters. We would also be able to afford computer parts.
nroth@lemmy.world · -4 pts · 14d
Why do people hate AI so much? I find it genuinely very useful
Anarki_@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 4 pts · 14d
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bridgeenjoyer@gamepad.club · 2 pts · 14d
@nroth also, looking at your activity you may be a bot or a paid schill, so you aren't worth my human created words. Blocked.
nroth@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 14d
"You must be AI" is such an intellectually lazy response to this comment that I did not even anticipate it