Omaha police agreed this week to stop carrying gloves that can deliver electric shocks to students in the halls of Nebraska’s largest public school district.
The decision affecting most Omaha middle and high schools came after The Associated Press first revealed Immigration and Customs Enforcement’s plan to give officers the gloves, which are known as G.L.O.V.E.s or Generated Low Output Voltage Emitters. The devices have also been used in recent years by some jails.
Omaha Superintendent Matthew Ray requested that police working in the schools, known as school resource officers, stop using the gloves. Omaha Police agreed.
190 Comments
SGGeorwell@lemmy.world · 234 pts · 1d
American culture seems to have nothing left in it besides the layers of violence.
darvocet@infosec.pub · 57 pts · 1d
WHAT? Bet if i was there you wouldn't say that to my face.
LMurch@thelemmy.club · 9 pts · 1d
Settle down, killer.
deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz · 5 pts · 1d
That's a strange way to spell gun.
That thing that make you strong and manly and AMERICAN.
That, and the implied threat of violence because someone on the internet doesn't agree with your opinion of how great America is?
triptrapper@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 12h
It was a joke.
deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz · 0 pts · 8h
Literally impossible to tell the difference when it's just a line of text on a webpage.
That particular phrasing isn't used as "a joke".
That's why we typically use a "/s" to remove the ambiguity.
SlurpingPus@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 8h
Just a hint for you, I've noticed a considerable uptick in the proportion of people taking my sarcasm literally, when I started hanging out on Lemmy instead of Reddit.
deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz · 0 pts · 8h
Thats a hint for you.
Or would you like to say that to my face?
SeeMarkFly@lemmy.ml · 37 pts · 1d
Racism is so American that when you protest it, people think you are protesting America.
Thebeardedsinglemalt@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 1d
This is a country where people whined about their freedoms being taken away because they were asked to not be loud vocal racist homophobes
sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz · -9 pts · 1d
I know, not on topic really, but lets not pretend that racism is an American trait and not a human one.
deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz · 13 pts · 1d
It's not human trait at all. No child is born racist, they're taught that.
Which you're implying that it's a natutal human trait and therefore somehow acceptable on some level.
sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz · 0 pts · 16h
Lol, fuck off with that projection and putting words in my mouth. It's like you haven't traveled at all and experienced racism in the Far East, in Europe, in Africa, etc. What a bullshit take. Don't put fucking words in my mouth and think that you made a good point.
deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz · 2 pts · 8h
Cool story edge lord.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 7 pts · 1d
SeeMarkFly@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 23h
Work hard and get ahead they said. Yea, they actually said that.
sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 16h
It is not more pervasive here, it's just the hypocrisy is hard to take. Go to most parts of the world and you'll see racism still alive and kicking. It's just the US we have constantly patted ourselves on our backs for being the "melting pot" of the world, or the "salad bowl" as we were later described. Yet reality and history show that was, and is, just hypocritical bullshit.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 30 pts · 1d
Can't believe a nation founded on slavery and baptized in blood would come to this.
FistingEnthusiast@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 18h
Don't forget that it was stolen from people who already lived there
Yanks are quite keen to gloss over that part
ChicoSuave@lemmy.world · 25 pts · 1d
This was an example of American corruption. A school official probably has a friend who is involved with the shock glove company and got kick backs for buying weapons to use on children.
SoupBrick@pawb.social · 24 pts · 1d
Facism is imperalism turned inward.
NihilsineNefas@slrpnk.net · 20 pts · 1d
Nothing left? Brother it had and has nothing else.
It was started on the principles of "I moved here and now I own the land because god told me so, now stand still while I genocide your entire nationality"
Moved to "I own you because someone brought you here on a boat and I need someone to work the fields."
Moved to "You may have civil rights but we make all the drugs and write the laws"
Moved to "Be free and happy, go do acid and don't look too closely at the vague yet menacing government agents wiretapping your homes, they are here for your safety"
Moved to "Serial killers are everywhere (don't look too closely at them, either. Dont want you seeing their badges)"
Moved to "We need agents everywhere watching everything, and Guantanamos in multiple locations because terrurists."
Its a long line of bloody murder stretching all the way back to colonialism (and beyond!)
M137@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 1d
Exactly! It's never been anything else. The Europeans who first came there were narcissistic and racist sociopaths and it's all been that since then.
Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 1d
America has preserved European values - more specifically 17th century European values such as racism, imperialism and the whole "might is right and a 'superior' race genociding an 'inferior' race to take their shit is absolutelly normal and fine".
Warl0k3@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 1d
Lmao ah yes, thank you for clarifying that it's specifically 17th century europe, I was really worried someone might get all confused and think that modern europe has a problem with racist imperialism. No no, that's just america.
Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 1d
Please point out the part of my post were I wrote that modern Europe doesn't have a problem with racist imperialism.
Warl0k3@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1d
Uhm... That wasn't what you did, nor what I called out? So no, but I will say that trying to reframe criticism like that is a kinda dodgy tactic (if intentional).
Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 0 pts · 22h
You and your strawman should probably get a room
zergtoshi@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 1d
Important to note that it's typically violence against people who can't really push back without risking getting killed.
It's time to make bullies afraid again, but I don't know how without starting a total escalation.
kadotux@sopuli.xyz · 8 pts · 1d
Just start a total escalation at this point
Bluegrass_Addict@lemmy.ca · 12 pts · 1d
then give it back. wear your own shock gloves and give the school cops a pat on the back fo 'keeping kids safe' or whatever it is they do when they are attacking parents from trying to save their kids
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 10 pts · 1d
with a veneer of faux prosperity.
Drusas@fedia.io · 8 pts · 1d
It's also into sex and drugs. Not as much rock 'n roll as you might hope, though.
Test_Tickles@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 1d
And the sex is apparently only allowed with minors and those who do not consent.
DeathsEmbrace@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 1d
Im surprised school shootings is news at this point. Seems to be like a weekend event.
NihilsineNefas@slrpnk.net · 5 pts · 1d
Weekday* no school on weekends
M137@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1d
Did you try (and somehow failed) to write "weekly"?
DeathsEmbrace@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1d
Do you not have a fun weekend life? Going out with friends? This comment is from someone who's weekends are normal and uneventful.
Malyca@lemmy.zip · 7 pts · 1d
It's all rot
jispal01@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 1d
A bunch of performative cruelty.
Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 1d
4am@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 1d
Don’t forget the gambling and the grifting and the cornering of technology markets
Bluescluestoothpaste@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 16h
It's really bad, it's deeply deeply ingrained in our culture. I hear people say "i swear to god im gonna murder him" multiple times daily at work. The violence is baked right into our language. (I guess the religionism too lmao)
TheTechnician27@lemmy.world · 66 pts · 1d
According to the manual, these things (the Gen 5 gloves) are discharging 324–362V at 0.7–1.2A and the Gen 4s 210–380V at 0.9–1.5A.
That's around half a kW for you folks keeping track at home. Better hope little Timmy's heatlh class is teaching him what a regular sinus rhythm is.
I hope any officer who uses that on a child gets a prostate exam with a G.L.O.V.E. equipped.
Pure_Psykosis@lemmy.ca · 40 pts · 1d
Sorry gen 5? There are five generations of these things and we're just hearing about it now?
cobalt32@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 15h
"I may be delivering the voltage, but don't blame me. The kid is the one pulling the current." –The cop, probably
PattyMcB@lemmy.world · 61 pts · 1d
...stop?
Why the fuck did they ever start?
TeamAssimilation@infosec.pub · 35 pts · 1d
The answer is always money. Someone benefited financially from starting it.
saltesc@lemmy.world · 53 pts · 1d
This is America.
quill7513@anarchist.nexus · 15 pts · 1d
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SabinStargem@lemmy.today · 53 pts · 1d
They shouldn't have shock gloves in the first place.
In fact, I will go so far to say that police should be unarmed by default. They can carry a baton, but a remote operator has to give the okay to unlock the baton for extension. A squad car can have a shotgun with rubber slugs, but the trunk also has to be remotely unlocked. Police should also receive permission from an operator for turning off their camera.
Bluntly, the police cannot be trusted with power.
rumba@lemmy.zip · 28 pts · 1d
Public site, 100% uptime, every weapons pull listed in real time. They put those gloves on, it's noted, they pull the baton out, it's listed. They draw their guns it's listed. Transparency would be a good start. Body camera footage should also be available to the people in the videos automatically in identification.
AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 19h
There shouldn't be any police in schools in the first place, like in the rest of the world.
Bluescluestoothpaste@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 16h
That too, but all cops should be like this. They shouldn't be allowed access to any weapon unless specifically authorize for an active crime where it's absolutely necessary in the public interest.
melsaskca@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 1d
I agree but the tech can't be trusted to work when it needs to.
wookiepedia@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 22h
I trust the tech way more than the cops, and I do NOT trust the tech.
BigDiction@lemmy.world · -6 pts · 1d
Insane comment. What is the equipment even necessary for with that limited access?
Perhaps that is your point, but it might as well be people deployed from a location rather than onsite personnel.
SabinStargem@lemmy.today · 5 pts · 21h
There are many parts of America where people - and by consequence, officers - are thinly spread out. Having potential access to firepower is sometimes important for the occasional bear or person who is shooting at signs.
In cases where martial power is needed, contacting people is a thing that should be done by default. Having a potential ambulance in the wings, social workers and other police on notice, and so on, is good practice.
We now live in a age where ships at sea can have reliable access to the internet. Society should take advantage of that to ensure that police officers are not able to harm their communities. We do that, by making the powers of an officer conditional - that they are recorded at all times for infractions, prevent them from instinctively reaching for a gun, and making them aware that brutality isn't an crutch that they can rely upon.
BigDiction@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 20h
I thought that a platform often interested in self hosting would loathe the idea of remotely activated equipment that’s often getting used in the moment, like a remotely activated baton (lol).
My take is that you either trust it with people in the field or you don’t.
SabinStargem@lemmy.today · 3 pts · 20h
Your typical forum-goer doesn't have the potential to kill strangers. If someone has the power to kill, they must be held to far greater scrutiny and responsibility than the ordinary person.
If it were possible, I would prefer the police to not exist outright. Barring that, the next best thing is to highly regulate their existence and procedures.
BigDiction@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 20h
Got it you hate cops and have unrealistic ideas about how to regulate them. I think my original comment alluded to that pretty well.
SabinStargem@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 19h
Cops have spent my entire life being shitty protectors of capitalism and racism. Of course I would distrust them by default, because they haven't given me a reason to trust their character and motives.
As to my proposals being unrealistic? I think they would be much cheaper and practical than the current version of policing. A fair chunk of a town's money is spent on wrongful conduct lawsuits, due to the police abusing their power. We can have much more money to spend on social goods, if we took away the unimpeded powers of police.
BigDiction@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 19h
Agreed on not trusting the police.
Who’s the hall monitor activating the equipment? Some person also getting paid to watch a bunch of live body cams?
Olhonestjim@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 21h
If they can deploy a hundred thousand multi vector public surveillance cameras in a matter of months almost escaping public notice, they can invent a bunch of devices to monitor the cops just as easily. To hell with them.
Someonelol@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 50 pts · 1d
Why does this country keep worshipping a cruel and unnecessarily violent police force in every corner of its society? You'd think enough regular folks have had a bad enough experience to want to reign it in over time.
sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz · 25 pts · 1d
Oh, that's easy. The draconian measures that I support are to be used on them, not me and my folk!
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 17 pts · 1d
have you seen the copanganda, military worship that goes on media/films thats how they reinforce that control.
Formfiller@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 1d
I absolutely hate cops and have had horrible experiences with them my entire life. I don’t understand this cop worship either they’re always the dumbest most abusive people you knew growing up.
Nurgus@lemmy.world · 45 pts · 1d
Why are there police in American schools? That's very weird.
TrollTrollrolllol@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 1d
Having police in schools stops school shooters... /s if it isn't fucking obvious
athatet@lemmy.zip · 14 pts · 1d
It’s so there’s someone there to easily arrest black kids for doing normal kid stuff.
JcbAzPx@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 23h
It's to increase the efficiency of the school to prison pipeline.
TargaryenTKE@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 1d
Stopping fights, looking for drugs or weapons, giving kids a head start on a life full of imprisonment; you know, the same safety regulations every sane nation would have 🙄 Growing up with parts of my childhood in the US private and public educational system, it became very clear very quick that the cops didn't really give a single shit about me or saving my life if something happened. They were there to 'keep an eye on the troubled, inner-city kids' i.e. "scare and threaten the minority* kids"
*I say minority but my school was actually pretty diverse, all things considered, though the black kids definitely had a slim majority
Warl0k3@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 1d
Absolutely weird, but the situation probably isn't exactly like what you're envisioning. Outside of a few notoriously violent/"gang activity" regions, they're not regular staff - there will be a couple of School Resource Officers (yeah, really what they're called) for an entire district, and they will float around to the various schools on a schedule (ex: my comically awful highschool had one stop by every two weeks).
They're also there almost entirely to deal with incredibly tedious administrative tasks that students never see - things like truancy cases, monitoring parental custody orders, coordinating public risk management, following up on teacher concerns about abuse, monitoring sentence diversions, deeply unglamorous but fairly important things like that. The cliche'd idea of them "stopping school shooters" has never been what SROs are for despite what they may claim their role is (uvalde utterly debunked that pigmyth...). And while the popular image of police "raiding lockers" searching for drugs is absolutely based on real events, it's a pretty dated meme at this point; mass "dragnet" searches like that have been repeatedly ruled unconstitutional (I haven't heard of one happening in years), and very few highschools even have student lockers anymore.
Excessive force like using these "tazer gloves" is just yet another thread in the greater tapestry of the US' issues with policing, which can be boiled down to two major issues: First, that the police have been used as the catchall for tasks that really shouldn't be their job, and second that those interdisciplinary tasks have been given to a group that is worryingly easily infiltrated by fascists. The first point is a lot more addressable than the second, but as several regions have started shifting from the police there's been dramatic improvement in the fascist problems as well, and among the most successful have been replacing SROs with Limited LEOs (essentially social workers with very restricted legal enforcement powers, who exist entirely separately from the police). Really, it's a very outdated concept and absolutely is not a role the police should have ever been used for.
TrollTrollrolllol@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1d
Hueristic_Autistic@lemmy.world · -5 pts · 1d
Cause of genuine mentally defective individuals that lack impulse control, that go and do violent ass shit.
Mwa@thelemmy.club · -8 pts · 1d
stopping school shooters?
SabinStargem@lemmy.today · 23 pts · 1d
No, no, to permit school shooters to go unimpeded. Uvalde could have had good samaritans intervene, if the police didn't block them from attempting to rescue kids.
Police are fucking useless 95% of the time.
Assassassin@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 12 pts · 1d
Hahahahaha running away from school shooters?
fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net · 45 pts · 1d
This is why phones are banned In schools. Otherwise we'd have video of cops tasing studnrts with a weapon straight out of a Ratchet and Clank game
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 9 pts · 1d
its specifically texas that banned it too.
Redditmodstouchgrass@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 1d
Legitimately, everything I hear out of Texas makes it sound like fucking Mordor. It's like everyone there lives to cause as much harm as possible.
MonkeMischief@lemmy.today · 5 pts · 22h
My favorite quip of late:
"Texas: The one-star State"
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 12h
they should let the invasive feral pigs have the state.
DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world · 30 pts · 1d
Parents who support this support it for "urban" schools. They don't believe it will ever be used in their white, suburban public schools.
M0oP0o@mander.xyz · 7 pts · 1d
Or they just really like electrocution of children.
nwtreeoctopus@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 1d
On the one hand, I love delivering electric shocks to children, but on the other hand, I really hate cops.
M0oP0o@mander.xyz · 5 pts · 23h
So what you are asking for are child cops, that you can give electric shocks to?
FistingEnthusiast@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 18h
Black and brown children
M0oP0o@mander.xyz · 1 pts · 18h
Don't forget yellow ones. Oh and fuck those purple kids.
smeenz@lemmy.nz · 1 pts · 17h
Don't give maga ideas.
M0oP0o@mander.xyz · 1 pts · 16h
Ideas? That I am sure is just a Tuesday for them.
Planewalker42069@lemmy.world · 29 pts · 1d
G.L.O.V.E. sounds like something Vault-Tec would make and sell
olenkoVD@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 26 pts · 17h
What the fuck is this
EatMyPixelDust@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 14 pts · 16h
It's called America, the land of guns and idiots.
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 12 pts · 13h
Home of Gun Care and Health Control.
GalacticRobot@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 16h
Welcome to America. ICE just signed a multiple million dollar contract to get these to use on 'illegal immigrants'. US tax dollars hard at work here.
Napster153@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 15h
FREEDOM BABY!! FEEL UP THE LOVE!!
-said no American ever these days
ramenshaman@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 1d
Kids need to start wearing chain mail over their bulletproof vests
pdxfed@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 1d
I don't know metal would be the material of choice given the context, but point taken.
skisnow@lemmy.ca · 17 pts · 1d
it's what people working on HV power lines or near Tesla coils wear. Acts as a faraday cage.
pdxfed@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 1d
Fascinating rabbit hole, thanks!
Alexstarfire@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 1d
This'll work:
Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 1d
Full body tinfoil wrappings.
87Six@lemmy.zip · 19 pts · 19h
I wonder if spelling it out really did make people overlook the fact we're talking about ICE here
LodeMike@lemmy.today · 13 pts · 18h
No. It's just the AP style to not say an acronym without ever saying what it means
BigPotato@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 16h
Which is hilarious because you violated AP style by not first saying Associated Press.
LodeMike@lemmy.today · 4 pts · 13h
It was in the previous comment
iknewitwhenisawit@fedinsfw.app · 18 pts · 1d
Awesome that they have to ask politely and the police get to decide.
lemmylump@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 1d
ACAB
Doom@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 1d
Well that didn't take long.
olenkoVD@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 13 pts · 17h
Can't even say "enough internet for today" because I just opened Lemmy and saw this.
Bluescluestoothpaste@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 16h
I mean you can, sometimes the first shit i see makes me shut down the computer lol
thethunderwolf@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 12 pts · 21h
gloves codenamed G.L.O.V.E.s
supervillain ahh invention
anarchy79@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 21h
For those who don't spend all their time online, "ahh" is a substitute (or euphemism?) for "ass". Kids have taken to say things like "ahh" instead of "ass" and "unaliving" for "suicide", and "funk" for "fuck", "epistomegacy" for "active clown threat", "rat intestine" for "rat intestine" and who even knows what else!
Well I for one am sick and tired of it and that's all I have to say on the matter.
noxypaws@pawb.social · 11 pts · 21h
Thanks, I fucking hate that stupid-ass shit!
vortexsurfer@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 19h
I believe some of that is because TikTok doesn't allow certain words / subjects (like suicide), and so people have to make up / use other words to try to avoid having their posts removed. At least that's what I heard regarding the origin of "unaliving"...
smh@slrpnk.net · 1 pts · 17h
The other day, I heard "PDF file" as a substitute for "pedophile". I kind of liked that one.
edit: it was in a name-and-shame video, discussing someone's poor behavior. The suspected pedophilia was just part of the concern regarding the person's behavior.
Bluescluestoothpaste@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 16h
I hate it because we're sanitizing what it is. It's not normal to have a pedophile president, it should be shocking and unpleasant to read that, and we should all be very upset about it.
GalacticRobot@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 16h
Correct. It's trying to work around censors when there shouldn't be any at all, and everyone should actively be rebelling against censorship.
anarchy79@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 16h
PDF file is the one I actually like because it's funny. It's got this 4chanesque quality to it. BUT I ALREADY SAID EVERYTHING I HAVE TO SAY ON THE SUBJECT GOOD DAY SIR I SAID GOOD DAY
yakko@feddit.uk · 4 pts · 21h
It's the KKK's Next Door with their fearless leader Numbuh 88
Bluescluestoothpaste@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 16h
You can write ass on lemmy lmao
AlecSadler@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 11 pts · 1d
Kill 'em all.
Drusas@fedia.io · 10 pts · 1d
That these have been in use and their existence hidden from us until now is despicable.
AlteredEgo@lemmy.ml · 8 pts · 6h
It's such a perfect dystopian weapon. Like you can imagine someone being scared out of their mind of being touched by a cop because of this, which is then "resisting" and gives them card blanche to brutalize them.
grrgyle@slrpnk.net · 6 pts · 6h
Electricity is truly a weapon of state terror. Not only the pain, but you completely lose control of your body in an (bonus points) undignified manner. And while it's so intensely affecting it's usually not lethal, nor will it leave obvious marks.
It's the perfect weapon of casual torture for power tripping bastards.
NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 22h
We’re all in hell.
thethunderwolf@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 10 pts · 21h
not me im not in the usa
Tyrq@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 7 pts · 21h
Don't take that for granted, there's nowhere that's too many steps from this
thethunderwolf@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 21h
eh costa rica is pretty okay
the police pretty much only goes after shoplifters and drug smugglers and the government doesnt have the budget to be a surveillance/suppression state if they tried
Tyrq@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 21h
Fair enough, it's all on a curve I suppose. If I've gotten anything out of the strife I'm seeing in the world, it's a appreciation for every blessing I can count, while I can
aesthelete@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 19h
I've thought about moving to costa rica because you don't have a military and everyone forgets you exist.
thethunderwolf@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 19h
it is a pretty nice place :3
Unpigged@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 6 pts · 21h
How are you doing little man.jpg
banazir@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 8h
For the self proclaimed Land of the Free, the US has always had this dark authoritarian streak, but I'm frankly aghast at the dystopian death spiral unravelling before my eyes. You could see it coming for a long time, but it still feels sudden.
Dr_Del_Fuego@slrpnk.net · 2 pts · 2h
We're going on 1 decade+ of it "feeling like 1939"
hemmes@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 1d
Who is this? Tony Stark?
sunsofold@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 19h
When I was young and trusted police, I wanted them to have taser gloves because it seemed like it would be better than shooting people. Less death. Harder to drop or have stolen. Now... No, I still prefer this to them just shooting people. Both are bad, but I'd rather see fewer people killed by the police and hope we can find a way to reach zero eventually.
Itdidnttrickledown@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 18h
They will still kill. The gloves are just so they can torture people.
sunsofold@lemmy.zip · 0 pts · 18h
If the police torture you, you have some voice. You can at least try to find justice. If they kill you, you have none. You're dead. The gloves are still better.
cloudshouter@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 17h
What we have seen with Tasers (the company is Axon now and they are doing Flock camera things too) is that the line didn’t noticeably move. The cops still shoot as much as they want and use tasers mostly for “compliance” and laziness. Giving cops shock gloves won’t lower shootings, they will only increase torture. Thought exercise. Person outside of touch range, gun or gloves? Next scenario: cop turns on gloves, grabs civilian, and starts yelling “stop resisting”.
Taser/Axon coined the pseudoscientific term “exited delirium” as a cover for cops killing civilians with their tasers. This was cops tasing people for extended periods of time, even after handcuffed, and using tasers when they were not needed.
HubertManne@piefed.social · 1 pts · 1h
This is a very good point. There was a well publicized event in chicago where a kid had a knife and was surrounded by police and their cruisers and was shot. So even with tons of back and a lot of distance and completely surrounding him. They could not coordinate moving forward with a tazer to arrest him rather than shooting him. When he was armed with a knife and a tazer could keep them well out of arms reach.
Itdidnttrickledown@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 18h
I disagree. By condoning the gloves and trying to say they are better than something else we just slide further toward the time when they begin to kill us for having a voice.
GalacticRobot@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 16h
Nah, no gloves at all is even better.
itsjustachairmary@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 18h
Even tasers are 'less lethal' as people can and do die from them.
Iambus@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 14h
I'd rather see school shooters shot dead
Duamerthrax@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 19h
I'd rather police stationed in schools not be armed at all. Uvalde showed it didn't matter for an actual shooting if they were armed. Hell, we don't need cops in schools in the first place.
cloudshouter@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 17h
Out all together. The reason for putting them in was to have an immediate response to a shooter. The actual effect is that students, with a very noticeable racial bias, are getting arrested for things that should be an in school issue. And they are doing same crap that we see cops doing in the streets.
HertzDentalBar@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 6 pts · 18h
Id rather police not be stationed in schools. The US is legit the worst developed country.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 12h
we got a less worst version, we have a police station like the next street over from our HS in the 2000s, they are still there.
CaptPretentious@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 15h
From my experience, the cop in the school is probably the most guilty person. Back when I was in high school, the cop never stopped a single fight or a single theft. He did target the non-white kids, confiscate their weed, and then sell it to the white preppy kids. When the precinct bought a mustang for him (why...) he decided to "showoff" and then went speeding down the middle lane (the turn lane) when school got out but didn't slow down in time so when he got to the corner (tight curve, probably thought the car would magically handle it) he hit sand (it was early spring, so sand due to snow) and lost control, jumped the curb and crashed it into a fence and sat there in shame as students he almost hit drove by. He was just a few cars away from me when it happened, I got to watch it firsthand.
School was less safe, legitimately, because there was a cop on site.
sunsofold@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 18h
Yeah, more guns in schools always seemed like a dumb answer to any problem.
FistingEnthusiast@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 18h
But it's 'Murica
It's all they know
GalacticRobot@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 16h
Not sure why police are needed at schools at all. I can't think of many European schools that have armed officers at schools and they seem to have a whole lot less issues than US schools soooo.
Railing5132@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 16h
Uvalde was an absolute shit-show, and it's a travesty of justice that those larping bastards didn't face any criminal consequences for their negligent inaction. The anguish they wreaked by their cowardice on the children and families of that community should be revisited one-hundred-fold every second of their miserable lives.
That said...
The School Resource Officer programs are a different animal. A good, effective SRO is a community member of the school. He or she is there to partner with kids, teachers, administrators, and parents. They are there to prevent, de-escalate, and deter. The ones that are good at building rapport with the kids are effective at identifying kids in danger, in trouble, or on a pathway to violence.
And in the good school systems, the SROs are integral parts of the Behavioral Threat Assessment Teams, making sure that any indicators of violent intent is taken seriously and assessed by a multidisciplinary team following a clinically validated process.
In a lot of instances, SROs are old-timers awaiting retirement, rookies that think every kid is part of a crime syndicate, a road cop that got stuck on a rotation that couldn't give a shit, or something else besides a decent human being. But in many cases, even some of the shitty ones have intervened and stopped active assailants. And that's a sad reality.
Duamerthrax@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 16h
When I got called to the office for breaking some unwritten rule, the principal had the school cop looming over me. My school was a "good" school that excelled at nothing. An aggressively mediocre, middle of the road experience. The school's cop had no presence other then being seen in the mornings or wandering around.
Maybe instead of having cops in schools, we should be asking ourselves why kids feel like they have nothing left to lose. Why they feel they have no future, no hope, no optimism.
XeroxCool@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 19h
I wonder if it's a reverse bear-gun-spray situation. Bear spray is more effective than guns against bears because people avoid shooting bears out of empathy. Could police be more likely to go straight to non-lethal pain with gloves?
cloudshouter@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 16h
Bears are cool. Cops are racist. The few times tasers have been used instead of shooting people is almost certainly outnumbered by the total deaths from taser use. Taser use far exceeds the cases when they would be used in place of a bullet. These gloves aren’t anywhere close to being an alternative to shooting. They are gloves with a range of zero. There will be a short honeymoon before it’s just torture with an extra charge of resisting.
sunsofold@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 18h
I remember hearing about at least one study that said yes, (and it should always be remembered tasers are less lethal, not non-lethal) but I didn't look into it that deeply. Still, if it's less people being killed, that still feels like a better result. A living victim of police abuse can speak out. A dead one can be suppressed much more readily.
GalacticRobot@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 16h
Could be even less lethal to not have gloves at all. Kids aren't bears, and it's pretty terrible to compare children to wild animals.
Gammelfisch@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 19h
Shock gloves?!?! Fuck the red run deregulated oblasts.
SeeMarkFly@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 1d
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 14h
"Awww, but they're so much fun! Watch!" Zaps student, who flops on the ground. "C'mon, you can't tell me that ain't hilarious! Look! I'll do it again! It never stops being funny!"
anarchy79@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 21h
Umm.. All in favor say aye?
Itdidnttrickledown@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 18h
Force them to leave. Is there some law that says a cop has to be at the school?
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 13h
Yes, they're called School Resource Officers, and they are mandated to have one at every school. My son's elementary school had a mobile home on school property, where the School Resource Officer actually lived with her family. I don't know if any other school that had that set-up.
They're supposed to be good for the schools, helping keep the peace, set an example for the kids, give them someone trustworthy they can come to, etc.
But they often end up abusing, raping, beating, arresting, etc. the kids instead. Good luck getting the kids to trust you, or any other cops, after that.
Itdidnttrickledown@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 5h
I just looked it up and in my state its a choice. They may have one but it isn't a requirement.
Eheran@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 12h
Given the number of school shootings... Who knows.
Bluedragon012@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 41m
Incoming guerrilla warfare tactics.
crystalmerchant@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 14h
Mmmm so grateful the police have graciously agreed to this
HCSOThrowaway@lemmy.world · -13 pts · 1d
Turns out if you call all cops bastards enough, the ones who aren't just leave or don't sign up in the first place because they don't want to be hated, leaving only those who don't mind or enjoy the hate.
Eventually the actual percentage will hit 100%.
impairedimperator@lemmy.zip · 21 pts · 1d
You know the somewhat older phrase, "one bad apple spoils the bunch"?
So spoiled fruit actually release ethylene, which is the feedstock for polyethylene plastic, and also acts as a plant hormone. Ethylene will speed up the spoilage of the rest of the barrel. That's why a bad apple can spoil the bunch.
Point is, it's not the public calling them bastards that makes the good ones quit. The entire system of policing is designed to either break the good ones or force them out.
HCSOThrowaway@lemmy.world · -17 pts · 1d
I'm aware of the clipped phrase and the full phrase, yes. I'd bet most people are here. Did you know Steve Buscemi was a firefighter during 9/11?
People aren't fruits and they aren't stored in baskets, nor do fruits listen to public opinion.
Is it so hard for you to believe that good people unsure of joining or not will choose not to because the hate isn't worth it to them? Is it so hard for you to believe that someone fighting the good fight from within gives up because they know no matter what they do they'll be hated?
impairedimperator@lemmy.zip · 10 pts · 1d
I think someone that feels a genuine calling towards protecting the public at any cost to themselves doesn't give a fuck.
And that's what a cop should be. Someone who disregards their own safety and wellbeing in favor of the people they protect.
HCSOThrowaway@lemmy.world · -11 pts · 1d
Yes, we all wish cops would be paragons of virtue and self-sacrifice we learned about from comic books.
Practically speaking? Don't let the Perfect be the enemy of the Good.
If you do find this mythical Perfect Person, you go ahead and encourage them to be a cop if they want to be one; you don't tell them that they're a bastard.
Further, what have you done lately to try to protect those Perfect People and keep them cops? Do you advocate for police unions and legal funds to protect them from abuse from their chains of command?
impairedimperator@lemmy.zip · 8 pts · 23h
You're right. Sounds like we should get rid of them all. I can support that. Genuinely can't think of a single reason to keep them around.
HCSOThrowaway@lemmy.world · -5 pts · 23h
"If we can't have a perfect meal, we should not eat."
Because prayer is an ineffective strategy to stop school shootings and all manner of other nasty behavior some humans get up to.
chortle_tortle@mander.xyz · 5 pts · 23h
About as effective as cops.
impairedimperator@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 9h
Yeah tbh I'd rather starve than eat something full of broken glass.
Lemme know when cops become an effective strategy to stop school shootings, or any other nasty behaviors lol.
thethunderwolf@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 21h
[citation needed]
HCSOThrowaway@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 19h
Thank you for bringing some levity to what is otherwise an obnoxious conversation where I am surrounded by people unwilling to discuss something they pretend to care about in good faith.
Zamboni_Driver@lemmy.ca · 8 pts · 23h
Ah yes, it's the peoples fault that the police are hateful. Amazing take. We are too mean to them, it's our fault, we deserve it. Truly a masterpiece of human thought. Thank you for sharing.
HCSOThrowaway@lemmy.world · -5 pts · 23h
That's an oversimplification to mischaracterize my point, but if you've decided to nope out of critical thought on the matter, I wouldn't stop you if I could.
wookiepedia@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 22h
What a hilariously stupid take. The cops have earned every ounce of hate that they get, and then some. How's that boot taste, buddy?
HCSOThrowaway@lemmy.world · -6 pts · 22h
Sorry but I don't have time to waste on people who start a comment with
(apart from the obvious - calling them out for their bad-faith tactics)
In the future, make comments of substance rather than waste time with "I disagree and you are dumb."