That's been my solution. The nerd in me just wants to know. I feel like windows and "windows debloat scripts" or the like have gotten worse together. It's like all the people that use to write cool programs or apps for Windows left for Linux and never looked back. (Except the game cracks I guess? Maybe that's even dead now though idk)
I mean, it's a good thing. But, it surprises me how awful the nerd support is for Windows now. I guess it's so annoying to work with that no one even bothers anymore.
It just feels like something that should have a universal solution by now.
Group policy settings will let you kill it off permanently. But windows likes to reinstall things every time there is a minor update to the OS, and if you don't have a group policy setup it'll do it too.
It’s like all the people that use to write cool programs or apps for Windows left for Linux and never looked back.
I have no idea if it is true, but it would make a lot of sense. Why spend your time fixing MS's for-profit shit, for free, when there is a viable open source alternative?
I wonder if there will come a tipping point? MS is making Windows really hard to love, so who in the altruistic group will stay on Windows when the mythical Year Of The Linux Desktop truly comes?
The solution for a lot of these random issues with reinstalling stuff is to not use weird scripts to do things you can just handle normally.
Just uninstall it like a regular app and it doesn't come back on its own from my experience. I've literally never had it come back on any of my systems, my family's, or customers, by doing it that way.
And then they have the gall to point to sales of physical media being down.
Like, if you make your physical media shit on purpose, you can't use that to support your argument for digital-only distrubition. It's actually infuriating.
You can't be serious, or you must not support Windows much.
I don't think much of my workplace's Windows desktop "engineer" but even they've put together (and keep updated) an image that can get from blank drive to fully installed, updated, baseline programs for our company installed, all settings tweaked to get rid of 90% of the dumb Windows bloat (have to leave the shit the execs like in place) in 30 minutes unattended.
The server builds my team oversees are 10 minutes setups, if that.
Like, I've been desktop support, and installing and configuring the department specific programs could be such annoying shit that you'd end up saving more time reimaging when something fucked up than to try and fix it, but the initial OS install was rarely the issue. Maybe for the first few days with entirely new hardware while we figured out the right drivers, but that was it.
Linux is leagues better than Windows, but some of this shit I keep seeing in these Linux communities is batshit. You personally not being familiar with Windows isn't a reason it sucks, any more than people saying Linux is complicated is a reason for them to hate Linux.
I am not unfamiliar with Windows in any sense thank you. Windows is objectively bad, there is no good reason that one must maintain their own custom image to install an operating system to a usable capacity because the vendor image is so disgustingly bloated that getting any real-world use is a chore.
And it's not even recent Windows enshittification that is the problem, it is the foundational architecture of the NT system. With a Linux operating system, you install, and you're done, on Windows, you install, then you need to go out and do 15+ updates that for some reason aren't done during install, then you need to go out and get all your drivers for your hardware. It's poorly designed, slow, clunky, and, especially considering that Windows doesn't have a package manager and a curated software repository (Winget + MS Store does NOT count), unbelievably insecure.
My organization has pretty much decided that Windows is on the way out, it's just going to be a very long time for us to transfer to Linux-based operating systems. Even after getting Windows to a just-about acceptable standard, it's still far heavier than any Linux-based OS would be, which for our thin clients is genuinely proving a problem as many of our staff have high memory usage workflows and are frequently seeing programs crash due to memory limitations.
Unless you are severely, clinically deluded, there is no way you can genuinely state that what you hear in Linux communities is "batshit"; everyone knows Windows is dying, even Microsoft...
He's talking about corporate environments that have the resources to have done the work to make Windows work, they're not starting from zero - they've either got an SCCM environment with a PE that has all their configs and drivers preloaded or they've worked hard to make intune autopilot work (which still requires either the OEM or a curated image for the hardware configs).
He's not talking about setups that are doing installs 1:1
Yeah nixos is a lot of learning and a lot of writing and tweaking .nix files.
That being said, once you have a setup you like that works it means installing on a new machine is mostly just running a couple of install commands and all your apps/settings/environment secrets/anything you’ve declared in your nix config (like dotfiles for apps unsupported by home-manager) come with you and are version controlled on the system and in code.
But it doesn’t work like a normal Linux system, there is no /bin/bash among thousands of other things, so it’s for a niche audience where it’s either a server with infra as code or a desktop that requires a lot of work to maintain but has some incredible advantages (like generations)
Yeah it was my pipeline. But be wary, this is a hard path to take. The os is great. The package manager is great. The nix config language? Hahaha welcome to hell! It takes at least 6 months to get comfortable with it. And still, sometimes you can still come across a config file that will be totally alien to you. And when you need something not in the repos... time to learn how to package stuff!
It's not to discourage you, but be warned. It takes time. I had 5 attempts at it before it became my daily driver.
Keep a working distro on the side. And when you start your computer, think about what you want to do. If you think you can do everything you want today in NixOs, boot it. If you have a lot missing/do not feel like configuring it, boot the other distro. Just start small. Do some little challenges like turning your config into a flake, create a nix os module, split your configuration in smaller more maintainable files, create a systemd service, wrangle with that damn home manager that keeps making everything so confusing.
And arch is actually the one from scratch. NixOs is intimately linked to systemd. Nix also requires some base dependencies like git and curl, so it's not from scratch. However you could argue that NixOs is a "make a distro from the kitchen utensils and a recipe".
AFAIK the BypassNRO method doesn't work anymore, instead:
“When it asks for one's Microsoft account, press Shift + F10, and type start ms-cxh:localonly. This prompts the window to create a local account instead. 🖕” ―Bypass Windows 11 Microsoft account prompt
I had to use bypass to get around the network part. Because for some reason it wouldn't let me go past that step, and it also doesn't offer static ip settings. We don't have dhcp for our main network.
It's even worse for notebooks. I had several new machines where Windows Setup didn't even have the required network drivers.
Sometimes when seeing Linux Memes like this, I think whether this one user with their 1-man-linux-hating-community simply blocked all these communities or reads them as some sort of rage-fuel.
He's actually somewhat knowledgeable about Linux and he's putting a lot of effort into finding hairs in the soup. I think the guy just enjoys being an asshole and if it wasn't Linux he'd pick something else.
I’m convinced he’s a fed running a propaganda campaign because there’s no way someone’s expending that much time and effort and not getting paid for it.
I assume that he has a severe mental health problem. I had a neighbor who’s kid had schizophrenia and would spend all day writing about how we were hacking his dreams and other nonsense. The sheer volume of letters he wrote to us about it was staggering. A ream of paper or more landed in our mailbox every week. It’s amazing how much someone can do when they only can focus on a single thing and have way too much energy.
I felt sorry for the kid, when he was on his meds he was perfectly nice, if kinda odd.
Are they? I have not checked their posts in depth. The ones I have seen in my feed were along the lines of "lol, Linux users do not shower / don't get women" or "if Linux good, why not used in Business" (what is a wild thing to say, considering... Well Servers), so that's the baseline I've had in my mind
I made the mistake of creating a Windows VM and believing their minimum required disk space figure of 64GB. It won't upgrade. Asks to attach an external USB drive because it lacks enough space. It hasn't anything added to it, only some bloatware removed. Attempting to upgrade takes hours, fails (despite attaching the extra storage), then restarts the entire download and install process over again. I can only assume it's incapable of caching and verifying downloaded content. There's no offline installer option, like we used to have with service packs. The whole thing is slow as molasses yet it doesn't max out the 8(!) CPUs allocated to it. The host has plenty of spare capacity. It's a steaming pile of shit.
I had to install Windows on my sister's computer. I also thought that since every OS is fine with my 8GB USB and minimal requirements also require a 8GB USB that it would be fine. It wasn't. I had to re-flash it on a USB meant for photos and move everything temporarily to my HDD because of that.
It could be done in 15 minutes with Windows as well, if you actually knew what you were doing. Hell, I'll give you 40 minutes if you know what you're doing and don't have proper tools already setup.
Windows is a shitshow, but your personal lack of familiarity isn't evidence of that, lol.
I work as a sysadmin (luckily I work mostly with Linux). We have lots of tools for windows server setup on our company, and for most deployments, we have templates and checklists to deploy as quickly as possible.
It still takes at least 2 hours to deploy windows server from a checkpoint, and that's skipping all the initial installation. Most of that time is spent updating, debloating, and setting the most basic stuff up.
It takes me less time to set up a Linux server from scratch, without any checkpoints, than it takes my coworkers to set up a windows server for the 9999th time, with a decade worth of tools.
Until people can buy a computer CHEAPLY and easily at Walmart with a distro preinstalled, Linux isn't going to make a lot of headway very fast. They are too lazy to be bothered to download a distro, make a bootable iso, wipe and do a fresh install.
And yes, they are that lazy unless really pushed to do it.
For most of them it's not "laziness" but ignorance. They don't know it's an option, they don't know why you'd want to do it, and the don't know how to do it.
Whatever comes with the thing is going to be most popular by default. Windows knows this. Apple knows this. Linux simply doesnt have the funds to buy out manufacturers
Even when I offered my father to do this for him, even picking Zorin OS (since it seems to be decently close to a Windows look and feel). He refused stating that he's not techsavvy enough to use it.
My conspiracy theory/pattern recognition shows that anyone unironically using the words "Tech Savvy" in 2026 are either well meaning pirates or just straight up ignorant on purpose. Computers have been mainstream at the very least for 2 decades and you havent bothered to learn anything about them??
Your father's been using computers for some number of years. It's possible he's been using computers for longer than he will continue using computers. From his perspective, the current edition of Windows is better than anything that's come before it, so it's the rational choice to stick with it until the end.
To get around this, you would basically need to set up a second machine with Zorin so that he can get some context before making a decision. That way, in the very realistic scenario where he decides it's not for him, he hasn't lost anything.
I'll bite, I don't mind making an ass out of myself.
I've done installs of linux where the fact the internet connection was shit slowed it down. why is the fucking ·iso 4gb if it still needs shit from the internet?
To add to that: Some years ago, "remixing" installation/ive isos was kinda popular (changing defaults, installing software etc.). The first step was to bring the system up to date. After that, the actual installation process only downloaded small, incremental changes (depending on how long you waited).
That's still rule of thumb on Windows. Push the updates into the install media in advance and save the trouble later. Guess since Linux updates tend to be easier they just stopped?
You have to move your hand from your... Keyboard, let's say, and switching to mouse, and that split second matters because it throws everything out of rhythm, causing friction where none is needed.
I'm not a comic book villain. Do you seriously think I'd explain my masterstroke to you if there were even the slightest possibility you could affect the outcome? I registered that domain 35 minutes ago.
Back in the early 2000's I started playing with Linux on old machines and have used Linux on an off since. Now I only have one Windows laptop that I need for a few very specific things and it's Linux for any backend stuff. I've got pi's, nucs and a NAS, all Linux now.
I am so grateful for all the hard work people have put in over the last two decades making sure we can step away from Windows without having to go to the Apple or Chrome walled gardens. I've made a career working in the Microsoft stack and I'm so done with them.
Now if I could just figure out how to turn my windows laptop into a VM on my ProxMox machine.
Thanks for the suggestion. I'll have to dig into this. I have no qualms about pulling my HD from the laptop and cloning it, so I should be able to try a bunch of different methods until it works.
For the stuff I need to do on my laptop, RDP is all I need so it can sit on a server in the basement waiting for me to start it up when I need it.
You can also boot a live Linux on the laptop and either create the image to an external drive or tunnel it via ssh or even just netcat it to your Linux device.
No need to open up the laptop just to create a 1:1 image with dd that you then turn into an image for use in a VM.
Don't get me wrong but installing Linux is easy but when new people try it, they run into hardware issue, and I know its no one's fault but new users spend a lot more time to troubleshoot those issue.
But also since people are switching to Linux, I think hardware manufacturers will support Linux so most of the things will be just plug and play.
This feels like a 10 year old comment almost. Hardware issues with Linux must be super rare now except for Nvidia, which is because Nvidia has closed drivers and doesn't care about Linux.
Literally every time I try a distro, I have to hope the NVIDIA drivers download and actually work. Then I have to hope the distro actually switches between it and the integrated GPU.
uhm... you don't have to hope..? You can literally check which driver is installed. You can even install preferable driver version via your package manager and delete mesa drivers if you don't want your system to ever use the integrated gpu.
start ms-cxh:localonly or one of those rufus unattended things are the only ways i could ever set up Windows anymore, their stock config is some bullshit
RUFUS will build you a Windows installer that automatically bypasses the Microsoft Account requirement.
It also lets you bypass TPM 2.0 and lets you remove a lot of bloatware so it doesn’t even get installed in the first place.
The lower half of this meme is getting old to the point of being a bad joke. No-one does this except normies and people who buy pre-built systems that come with Windows already installed.
The other one I've noticed is that they've stopped shipping necessary drivers with the install iso now, so if you do make the decision to install fresh, enjoy using the nipple on your Lenovo laptop because the trackpad and network driver didn't come with the iso.
I'm so unbelievably tired of being a windows admin
Source: I did the windows install song and dance this morning
So tired of keeping like 10 different ethernet dongles, 5 of one model and 5 of another, because half of the new laptops can't even connect to the internet with the windows install ISO due to lack of drivers.
Sometimes one of those 2 models will also refuse to work with the windows ISO, so ig fuck you if you're trying to install windows on more than 5 computers at the same time.
Oh and of course you still need to do the bypass even if you don't have drivers for the network card. Ig also fuck you too if you don't know about it, because you're never gonna install windows on that laptop.
So tired of keeping like 10 different ethernet dongles, 5 of one model and 5 of another, because half of the new laptops can't even connect to the internet with the windows install ISO due to lack of drivers.
Welcome back to the Win95/98/SE/XP era. Where everything old is new again.
I just don't plug in the Ethernet cable or connect to a wifi network. There will be a skip option if you aren't connected but it will pester you about how great it is to receive ads. Then once you actually get to the finished install you will have 30 days to setup an account and register otherwise you will get the little note in the bottom of the desktop that says you're using an unregistered version and get pop ups to remind you to register.
You don't have to connect it to the internet and register, it just annoys you until you do.
They removed the option. Even if you boot with WiFi off. So now you have to open CMD and run the command OOBE\BYPASSNRO reboot and it’ll give you the option to skip. Had to look that one up cause yeah it used to be just boot w/o Ethernet plugged in
Could we put extra apostrophes in that same grave? Here we are building consciousness into machines, yet we will never figure out that it's means it is.
And memes like this and statements like these just feel like some pointless superiority complex circlejerk which achieve nothing to actually promote Linux adoption (or rather hurt it).
I like Linux, I've been using Linux on all of my desktop systems for a few months now and on various servers for many years. It's nice. A lot of things are great. But there are just as many hiccups to encounter. And the kind of superior, unhelpful attitude that a noticable part of the Linux communities show (whether that is just a vocal minority or actual major part is irrelevant to someone looking for help), especially towards new users who often have no idea about various Linux-isms, is really shitty.
We're not talking about "hiccups; " we're talking about deliberate attacks against you. Linux has bugs, but with Windows, the OS is designed to serve Microsoft's interests at your expense. It's a categorically different thing.
Your statement is a perfect example of the sort of bargaining (in the toxic relationship sense) I'm talking about. It's the tech equivalent of saying "I fell down the stairs" when the real cause of your black eye was your abuser punching you in the face.
And the kind of superior, unhelpful attitude that a noticable part of the Linux communities show (whether that is just a vocal minority or actual major part is irrelevant to someone looking for help), especially towards new users who often have no idea about various Linux-isms
Note that absolutely nothing I've written here is about technical competency or "Linux-isms," but instead about psychology and business ethics.
First point, fair. I'm not arguing that. I despise Microsoft as much as the next person here. I honestly don't have strong feelings about Windows at its core, I've used it extensively, but I also always knew how to work around Microsofts bullshit, whatever. Doesn't make the paractices any less predatory. Fair.
Second point, I in no way defended Microsoft and/or Windows. I only talked about Linux there. That's quite some interpretation, equating that to defending an abuser in a toxic relationship.
And third point, yeah, "Windows is for people with no self-respect" totally sounds like psychology and business ethics. Just what is the point of such a statement? It is hardly the average users fault that Windows has the market share it has and that Microsoft has the power it has. Or that its shitty practices are allowed in the first place. Call it lazy or complacent or "no self-respect" or whatever you want that most users just accept it, unless there are alternatives that work for the majority, people are getting educated about them (and the problems with how things are otherwise) and the community actually helps with issues in good faith at large, I don't expect things to change drastically. Which is what I was trying to get at, but I certainly could have explained that significantly better. And we desperately need regulatory changes to restrict and prevent such predatory behavior in the first place.
I'll try to do the educating and helping part in my immediate surroundings, anyone I can get to try Linux (or other alternatives in other categories) is good in my book. Instead of telling my friends and family they have no self respect.
And before you read that into this, I am not talking about people who actively defend Microsofts shitty practices. I am talking about people who just use it because that's what was on the device when they got it. And created an account during setup simply because it asked for it, without giving it a second thought (since that sadly has become commonplace, which, again, I am not defending). And I assume that is the vast majority.
It sounds a lot more like you are the one categorically not respecting people who use Windows, as opposed them having no self respect. Blanket statements like that help noone.
Maybe I'm stupid here, maybe I'm misreading your comment, whatever, tell me if I'm wrong. I currently don't feel like putting more energy into this discussion, if you can call it that, but I'll see.
even for currently running PCs, sometimes i swear to God it's like dejavu : my laptop suddenly asks if i want to use the OneDrive and Office sub. You know that screen when you do the Win 11 setup.
The only way to exit is via the "Remind me later", which is even more BS. You cant even Decline.
In a nutshell, yes. Stock Windows has become even more useless over the years, and installation has obviously become a pain in the ass. I don't envy our IT department.
You can use RUFUS to install Windows, and preemptively remove restrictions. MASGravel lets you activate Windows once you got an internet connection. ShutUp10 for configuring your privacy, and also for uninstalling AI stuff. I recommend the premium version if you want ShutUp10 to automatically revert Microsoft's meddling after updates.
I recommend MASgravel's Windows Enterprise 25h2 GAC .iso for your RUFUS, it has the right balance between debloat and still being usable by a typical person.
You can, though. When it prompts you to make a Microsoft Account, select Other Options, Domain Account, and create a local account. You don't actually have to join the PC to a domain :)
That's still a ridiculous dark pattern, in my opinion no better than tabbing over to the command line. Nice to know that you can though, next time I need windows 11 for anything.
I agree it it dumb that it's hidden away in a GUI menu, but it does exist. But why let something as silly as facts get in the way of a good WindowsBad! circlejerk?
If the argument is that windows sucks because you have to do a bunch of bullshit to get it semi functional, then the same could be said for something like arch Linux with its setup process and the constant tweaking.
Installed CachyOS half a year ago, the setup was short, involved, but no constant tweaking, my previous laptop was a Mint, same story, the installation process was made very simple and seamless a long while ago, unless you're purposely trying something complex, that is.
I've switched from windows to mint 3 seperate times and Debian once. I don't have any problems with the system itself but every time people always talk about how easy it is to game, they are almost exclusively referring to steam.
I pirate certain games like old call of duty games because you can't play zombies offline on steam but modded/pirated versions you can. I can never for the life of me figure them out on Linux. Another simple game is wizard101, its not on steam and whenever I play it, its just laggy as hell.
I'll never hate on Linux because it is amazing, but I just struggle with it more than most it seems.
Yeah, older games require a bit of tinkering, the bigger the game's community, the more likely it is documented, i play modded Morrowind and the process was rather simple, albeit very involved.
online-focused games should generally be a lot harder to install, so I understand the frustration, but it's not an issue of installing the OS itself, just installing a game in an emulated environment, and using the correct settings, which shouldn't be too different from emulating consoles, it makes it a bit easier to think about it that way.
I'm aware, and just like how those other distros exist, these extra windows steps are for power users. Normie's can just go through the normal windows installation process that doesn't involve hassle.
Well, normies don't usually care about privacy either, so those align. However some non tech-savvy people care about privacy, maybe these steps would be better for them in the short span before they are committed to Linux.
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Assassassin@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 126 pts · 1d
PabloSexcrowbar@piefed.social · 54 pts · 1d
Not even next update. I ran a debloater script that removed OneDrive and within two hours it had been reinstalled with no intervention from me.
wheezy@lemmy.ml · 7 pts · 1d
Is there no solution to this?
My first thought is an IP ban list outside of the computer itself. Put it on your home router maybe.
I guess it could be getting installed from a binary that exists on the OS already.
I haven't used windows in a long time. But it's wild how much work people have to do to decide which programs are or are not installed on their PC.
8oow3291d@feddit.dk · 17 pts · 1d
Linux...
wheezy@lemmy.ml · 11 pts · 1d
That's been my solution. The nerd in me just wants to know. I feel like windows and "windows debloat scripts" or the like have gotten worse together. It's like all the people that use to write cool programs or apps for Windows left for Linux and never looked back. (Except the game cracks I guess? Maybe that's even dead now though idk)
I mean, it's a good thing. But, it surprises me how awful the nerd support is for Windows now. I guess it's so annoying to work with that no one even bothers anymore.
It just feels like something that should have a universal solution by now.
Mike_The_TV@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 14h
Group policy settings will let you kill it off permanently. But windows likes to reinstall things every time there is a minor update to the OS, and if you don't have a group policy setup it'll do it too.
8oow3291d@feddit.dk · 2 pts · 13h
I have no idea if it is true, but it would make a lot of sense. Why spend your time fixing MS's for-profit shit, for free, when there is a viable open source alternative?
I wonder if there will come a tipping point? MS is making Windows really hard to love, so who in the altruistic group will stay on Windows when the mythical Year Of The Linux Desktop truly comes?
halcyoncmdr@piefed.social · 1 pts · 1d
The solution for a lot of these random issues with reinstalling stuff is to not use weird scripts to do things you can just handle normally.
Just uninstall it like a regular app and it doesn't come back on its own from my experience. I've literally never had it come back on any of my systems, my family's, or customers, by doing it that way.
Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it · 2 pts · 1d
I don't have that issue with script either, my guess is that's a regional thing, do you live in the EU too?
cannedtuna@lemmy.world · 69 pts · 1d
Ran into this shit yesterday trying to set up a laptop for someone where I had no internet access.
Imagine having everything ready to go on a USB drive and you can’t get past the second screen unless you find WiFi.
At least this command still works, but damn.
toor@lemmy.world · 26 pts · 1d
Video games have gone this way too. Pop in disc or cartridge, go to play, forced to download updates that fix what was shipped in a broken state.
hakase@lemmy.zip · 7 pts · 1d
And then they have the gall to point to sales of physical media being down.
Like, if you make your physical media shit on purpose, you can't use that to support your argument for digital-only distrubition. It's actually infuriating.
iamthetot@piefed.ca · -2 pts · 1d
For the record, the majority of games ship on disc. If you had auto updates off or no internet, the game will play after installing.
PriorityMotif@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 1d
If you use Rufus you can create the USB that automatically bypasses the Internet requirements. Still annoying af though.
TerHu@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 16 pts · 1d
windows didn’t have the drivers for my mobo, so i could use neither ethernet nor wifi.
imagine having to have a usb to ethernet dongle ready to set up windows.
what a fucking shitshow…
thermal_shock@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 20h
Yup. I have a whole bunch of devices to bypass random shit to setup client devices on site.
bl4ckp1xx13@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 11 pts · 1d
I work in IT and half the time spent deploying a new device is getting around Windows' bullshit.
wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 0 pts · 1d
You can't be serious, or you must not support Windows much.
I don't think much of my workplace's Windows desktop "engineer" but even they've put together (and keep updated) an image that can get from blank drive to fully installed, updated, baseline programs for our company installed, all settings tweaked to get rid of 90% of the dumb Windows bloat (have to leave the shit the execs like in place) in 30 minutes unattended.
The server builds my team oversees are 10 minutes setups, if that.
Like, I've been desktop support, and installing and configuring the department specific programs could be such annoying shit that you'd end up saving more time reimaging when something fucked up than to try and fix it, but the initial OS install was rarely the issue. Maybe for the first few days with entirely new hardware while we figured out the right drivers, but that was it.
Linux is leagues better than Windows, but some of this shit I keep seeing in these Linux communities is batshit. You personally not being familiar with Windows isn't a reason it sucks, any more than people saying Linux is complicated is a reason for them to hate Linux.
bl4ckp1xx13@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 6 pts · 1d
I am not unfamiliar with Windows in any sense thank you. Windows is objectively bad, there is no good reason that one must maintain their own custom image to install an operating system to a usable capacity because the vendor image is so disgustingly bloated that getting any real-world use is a chore.
And it's not even recent Windows enshittification that is the problem, it is the foundational architecture of the NT system. With a Linux operating system, you install, and you're done, on Windows, you install, then you need to go out and do 15+ updates that for some reason aren't done during install, then you need to go out and get all your drivers for your hardware. It's poorly designed, slow, clunky, and, especially considering that Windows doesn't have a package manager and a curated software repository (Winget + MS Store does NOT count), unbelievably insecure.
My organization has pretty much decided that Windows is on the way out, it's just going to be a very long time for us to transfer to Linux-based operating systems. Even after getting Windows to a just-about acceptable standard, it's still far heavier than any Linux-based OS would be, which for our thin clients is genuinely proving a problem as many of our staff have high memory usage workflows and are frequently seeing programs crash due to memory limitations.
Unless you are severely, clinically deluded, there is no way you can genuinely state that what you hear in Linux communities is "batshit"; everyone knows Windows is dying, even Microsoft...
gnuplusmatt@reddthat.com · 2 pts · 1d
He's talking about corporate environments that have the resources to have done the work to make Windows work, they're not starting from zero - they've either got an SCCM environment with a PE that has all their configs and drivers preloaded or they've worked hard to make intune autopilot work (which still requires either the OEM or a curated image for the hardware configs).
He's not talking about setups that are doing installs 1:1
agit68@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 1d
It could also be a pre-prepared disk image.
towerful@programming.dev · 9 pts · 1d
I use this when I have to install windows.
https://schneegans.de/windows/unattend-generator/
Fully automated the install
Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 1d
If someone asked me to install Windows for them I'd very politely tell them to get bent.
RustyNova@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1d
NixOs is in shambles
DarkSirrush@piefed.ca · 5 pts · 1d
Every time i see a comment about NixOS it makes me even more wary about trying it.
Everyone jokes about Arch being the 'from the ground up' OS, but Nix feels like it embodies those memes.
urushitan@kakera.kintsugi.moe · 3 pts · 1d
Yeah nixos is a lot of learning and a lot of writing and tweaking .nix files.
That being said, once you have a setup you like that works it means installing on a new machine is mostly just running a couple of install commands and all your apps/settings/environment secrets/anything you’ve declared in your nix config (like dotfiles for apps unsupported by home-manager) come with you and are version controlled on the system and in code.
But it doesn’t work like a normal Linux system, there is no /bin/bash among thousands of other things, so it’s for a niche audience where it’s either a server with infra as code or a desktop that requires a lot of work to maintain but has some incredible advantages (like generations)
RustyNova@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1d
Yeah it was my pipeline. But be wary, this is a hard path to take. The os is great. The package manager is great. The nix config language? Hahaha welcome to hell! It takes at least 6 months to get comfortable with it. And still, sometimes you can still come across a config file that will be totally alien to you. And when you need something not in the repos... time to learn how to package stuff!
It's not to discourage you, but be warned. It takes time. I had 5 attempts at it before it became my daily driver.
Keep a working distro on the side. And when you start your computer, think about what you want to do. If you think you can do everything you want today in NixOs, boot it. If you have a lot missing/do not feel like configuring it, boot the other distro. Just start small. Do some little challenges like turning your config into a flake, create a nix os module, split your configuration in smaller more maintainable files, create a systemd service, wrangle with that damn home manager that keeps making everything so confusing.
And arch is actually the one from scratch. NixOs is intimately linked to systemd. Nix also requires some base dependencies like git and curl, so it's not from scratch. However you could argue that NixOs is a "make a distro from the kitchen utensils and a recipe".
agit68@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 1d
Next time during setup do this: 1.don't connect to a network
3.Type: start ms-cxh:localonly
Hit enter and the create user box will pop up.
You can now create a local user account.
Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz · 1 pts · 1d
arsCynic@piefed.social · 55 pts · 1d
AFAIK the BypassNRO method doesn't work anymore, instead:
cannedtuna@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 1d
Worked for me yesterday, but this was on a laptop just booted, no connection to internet so there’s no telling what version it was on.
MehBlah@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 1d
If the install media is old enough it will still work.
turbowafflz@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 16h
If you're installing pro, you can just say it's for work and click "join a domain instead" and then just never join a domain
BlindPenguin@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 12h
I had to use bypass to get around the network part. Because for some reason it wouldn't let me go past that step, and it also doesn't offer static ip settings. We don't have dhcp for our main network.
It's even worse for notebooks. I had several new machines where Windows Setup didn't even have the required network drivers.
frosch@sh.itjust.works · 47 pts · 1d
Sometimes when seeing Linux Memes like this, I think whether this one user with their 1-man-linux-hating-community simply blocked all these communities or reads them as some sort of rage-fuel.
Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world · 27 pts · 1d
He's actually somewhat knowledgeable about Linux and he's putting a lot of effort into finding hairs in the soup. I think the guy just enjoys being an asshole and if it wasn't Linux he'd pick something else.
cannedtuna@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 1d
I’m convinced he’s a fed running a propaganda campaign because there’s no way someone’s expending that much time and effort and not getting paid for it.
BartyDeCanter@piefed.social · 20 pts · 1d
I assume that he has a severe mental health problem. I had a neighbor who’s kid had schizophrenia and would spend all day writing about how we were hacking his dreams and other nonsense. The sheer volume of letters he wrote to us about it was staggering. A ream of paper or more landed in our mailbox every week. It’s amazing how much someone can do when they only can focus on a single thing and have way too much energy.
I felt sorry for the kid, when he was on his meds he was perfectly nice, if kinda odd.
grue@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 1d
...you say on Lemmy, of all places. 😜
frosch@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 1d
Are they? I have not checked their posts in depth. The ones I have seen in my feed were along the lines of "lol, Linux users do not shower / don't get women" or "if Linux good, why not used in Business" (what is a wild thing to say, considering... Well Servers), so that's the baseline I've had in my mind
cannedtuna@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 1d
Nah he often jumps into my post comments to make some remark
dismay3915@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 1d
Just today and yesterday, one of my friends asked me to upgrade their windows server for their small business.
Installing a fucking windows took me 6 hours. This whole shit would be done in 40min I if I could install and setup Debian on their server.
lawks@aussie.zone · 7 pts · 1d
I made the mistake of creating a Windows VM and believing their minimum required disk space figure of 64GB. It won't upgrade. Asks to attach an external USB drive because it lacks enough space. It hasn't anything added to it, only some bloatware removed. Attempting to upgrade takes hours, fails (despite attaching the extra storage), then restarts the entire download and install process over again. I can only assume it's incapable of caching and verifying downloaded content. There's no offline installer option, like we used to have with service packs. The whole thing is slow as molasses yet it doesn't max out the 8(!) CPUs allocated to it. The host has plenty of spare capacity. It's a steaming pile of shit.
Linux guests run fine.
KernelTale@programming.dev · 3 pts · 22h
I had to install Windows on my sister's computer. I also thought that since every OS is fine with my 8GB USB and minimal requirements also require a 8GB USB that it would be fine. It wasn't. I had to re-flash it on a USB meant for photos and move everything temporarily to my HDD because of that.
ikidd@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 6 pts · 1d
I think I've installed a Fedora server in 5 minutes. It's now literally 3 clicks if you're doing it manually.
dismay3915@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 1d
Yep. Totally possible.
I'm also counting the setup and restore stuff.
wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com · -21 pts · 1d
It could be done in 15 minutes with Windows as well, if you actually knew what you were doing. Hell, I'll give you 40 minutes if you know what you're doing and don't have proper tools already setup.
Windows is a shitshow, but your personal lack of familiarity isn't evidence of that, lol.
black0ut@pawb.social · 18 pts · 1d
I work as a sysadmin (luckily I work mostly with Linux). We have lots of tools for windows server setup on our company, and for most deployments, we have templates and checklists to deploy as quickly as possible.
It still takes at least 2 hours to deploy windows server from a checkpoint, and that's skipping all the initial installation. Most of that time is spent updating, debloating, and setting the most basic stuff up.
It takes me less time to set up a Linux server from scratch, without any checkpoints, than it takes my coworkers to set up a windows server for the 9999th time, with a decade worth of tools.
dismay3915@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 1d
I manage multiple windows servers with AD and all the shit.
I have set them up tens of times.
When you have a shit piece of software, it is unpredictable. So you encounter a new issue every time.
Bluewing@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 20h
Until people can buy a computer CHEAPLY and easily at Walmart with a distro preinstalled, Linux isn't going to make a lot of headway very fast. They are too lazy to be bothered to download a distro, make a bootable iso, wipe and do a fresh install.
And yes, they are that lazy unless really pushed to do it.
FjordDan@lemmy.zip · 11 pts · 19h
For most of them it's not "laziness" but ignorance. They don't know it's an option, they don't know why you'd want to do it, and the don't know how to do it.
Bluewing@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 19h
Oh, they are at least dimly aware they could do something else. But they choose not to because they resist learning.
Funkt4st1c@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 18h
We call this "monopolistic behavior"
Whatever comes with the thing is going to be most popular by default. Windows knows this. Apple knows this. Linux simply doesnt have the funds to buy out manufacturers
adarza@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 14h
they used to sell them, but it was all shit-tier hardware and didn't sell.
0x0@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 15h
You mean headway... on the desktop.
Xyphius@lemmy.ca · 0 pts · 20h
Even when I offered my father to do this for him, even picking Zorin OS (since it seems to be decently close to a Windows look and feel). He refused stating that he's not techsavvy enough to use it.
Funkt4st1c@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 18h
My conspiracy theory/pattern recognition shows that anyone unironically using the words "Tech Savvy" in 2026 are either well meaning pirates or just straight up ignorant on purpose. Computers have been mainstream at the very least for 2 decades and you havent bothered to learn anything about them??
Bluewing@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 19h
Us old people are often adverse to learning new things. It's not a surprising thing. You are getting the same way yourself about some knowledge.
5318008@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 15h
Do you know the Secretary Problem?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secretary_problem
Your father's been using computers for some number of years. It's possible he's been using computers for longer than he will continue using computers. From his perspective, the current edition of Windows is better than anything that's come before it, so it's the rational choice to stick with it until the end.
To get around this, you would basically need to set up a second machine with Zorin so that he can get some context before making a decision. That way, in the very realistic scenario where he decides it's not for him, he hasn't lost anything.
Skullgrid@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 1d
I'll bite, I don't mind making an ass out of myself.
I've done installs of linux where the fact the internet connection was shit slowed it down. why is the fucking ·iso 4gb if it still needs shit from the internet?
crazycraw@crazypeople.online · 25 pts · 1d
the usual suspect is updates of all those packages since the iso was published..
nodiratime@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 1d
To add to that: Some years ago, "remixing" installation/ive isos was kinda popular (changing defaults, installing software etc.). The first step was to bring the system up to date. After that, the actual installation process only downloaded small, incremental changes (depending on how long you waited).
wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 1d
That's still rule of thumb on Windows. Push the updates into the install media in advance and save the trouble later. Guess since Linux updates tend to be easier they just stopped?
agit68@lemmy.zip · 14 pts · 1d
Or dont connect to a network during setup and do this.
OOBE mode.
Finish initial windows boot, then follow up with O & O shut up 10 at minimum before connecting to a network.
Then there is the fun of going through the task scheduler to remove telemetry.
Shanmugha@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 23h
And they still tell me that Linux is scary because terminal
anarchy79@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 18h
My main gripe is the clicking.
Clicking clicking clicking.
I've got keybord navigation down to an art-
But sometimes you have to click.
You have to move your hand from your... Keyboard, let's say, and switching to mouse, and that split second matters because it throws everything out of rhythm, causing friction where none is needed.
Clicking, clicking, clicking.
That's my main gripe.
The clicking.
I am Anna, and this is my testimony.
ReginaPhalange@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 10h
Commit your testimony to an archive.
You could even name it... Anna's archive.
anarchy79@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 5h
I'm not a comic book villain. Do you seriously think I'd explain my masterstroke to you if there were even the slightest possibility you could affect the outcome? I registered that domain 35 minutes ago.
khanh@lemmy.zip · 13 pts · 17h
mfs will learn powershell to debloat windows 11 and wade through regedit but the intuitive linux terminal is STILL too goddamn scary
lightnsfw@reddthat.com · 7 pts · 15h
Which one is that? Powershell is way more intuitive than bash and I like bash.
tetris11@feddit.uk · 4 pts · 15h
Powershell is just json with jq abilities
lightnsfw@reddthat.com · 2 pts · 13h
But it is intuitive. There's no arguing that.
electric_nan@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 11h
Is it? I find them both equally unintuitive tbh. You really just have to memorize the commands you frequently use, or keep looking them up.
khanh@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 4h
bash is more intuive than pwsh imo.
0x0@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 15h
Freeposity@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 1d
Back in the early 2000's I started playing with Linux on old machines and have used Linux on an off since. Now I only have one Windows laptop that I need for a few very specific things and it's Linux for any backend stuff. I've got pi's, nucs and a NAS, all Linux now.
I am so grateful for all the hard work people have put in over the last two decades making sure we can step away from Windows without having to go to the Apple or Chrome walled gardens. I've made a career working in the Microsoft stack and I'm so done with them.
Now if I could just figure out how to turn my windows laptop into a VM on my ProxMox machine.
forbiddencherry@lemmy.today · 7 pts · 1d
Out of curiosity, what happens if you image the laptop drive and boot it under VirtualBox (keeping the Linux host offline, so the Windows guest can't phone home)? Potentially useful: https://superuser.com/questions/614400/how-can-i-clone-a-hard-drive-directly-to-a-vdi-image
Freeposity@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1d
Thanks for the suggestion. I'll have to dig into this. I have no qualms about pulling my HD from the laptop and cloning it, so I should be able to try a bunch of different methods until it works.
For the stuff I need to do on my laptop, RDP is all I need so it can sit on a server in the basement waiting for me to start it up when I need it.
ne0phyte@feddit.org · 2 pts · 19h
You can also boot a live Linux on the laptop and either create the image to an external drive or tunnel it via ssh or even just netcat it to your Linux device. No need to open up the laptop just to create a 1:1 image with dd that you then turn into an image for use in a VM.
Jyek@sh.itjust.works · 11 pts · 14h
Shift + f10 for cmd. Then do "start ms-cxh:localonly" and hit enter. Enjoy local user profile without internet.
CosmoNova@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 1d
Who says you have to install Linux? Just run it directly on a USB drive to be extra flexible!
Obnomus@lemmy.ml · 10 pts · 22h
Don't get me wrong but installing Linux is easy but when new people try it, they run into hardware issue, and I know its no one's fault but new users spend a lot more time to troubleshoot those issue.
But also since people are switching to Linux, I think hardware manufacturers will support Linux so most of the things will be just plug and play.
1984@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 21h
This feels like a 10 year old comment almost. Hardware issues with Linux must be super rare now except for Nvidia, which is because Nvidia has closed drivers and doesn't care about Linux.
HouseWolf@pawb.social · 9 pts · 19h
Which for PC gamers holds the majority of the market...
CheesyFox@lemmy.sdf.org · 1 pts · 20h
Except even this is no longer an issue. There's nvidia-open driver, and, at least to my knowledge, it works without any problems.
SarcasmIntended@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 18h
Tell that to every one of my installs.
Literally every time I try a distro, I have to hope the NVIDIA drivers download and actually work. Then I have to hope the distro actually switches between it and the integrated GPU.
CheesyFox@lemmy.sdf.org · 2 pts · 17h
uhm... you don't have to hope..? You can literally check which driver is installed. You can even install preferable driver version via your package manager and delete mesa drivers if you don't want your system to ever use the integrated gpu.
halezinflames@lemmus.org · 9 pts · 14h
start ms-cxh:localonly or one of those rufus unattended things are the only ways i could ever set up Windows anymore, their stock config is some bullshit
rekabis@programming.dev · 9 pts · 15h
RUFUS will build you a Windows installer that automatically bypasses the Microsoft Account requirement.
It also lets you bypass TPM 2.0 and lets you remove a lot of bloatware so it doesn’t even get installed in the first place.
The lower half of this meme is getting old to the point of being a bad joke. No-one does this except normies and people who buy pre-built systems that come with Windows already installed.
OR3X@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 11h
The point isn't that an easy option for the bypass exists, but that a bypass is required at all. It shouldn't be.
rekabis@programming.dev · 0 pts · 6h
A clean install will need a USB installer anyhow. So build it with RUFUS and enjoy the lack of a manual bypass.
dactylotheca@suppo.fi · 10 pts · 13h
So the majority does this, then?
EonNShadow@pawb.social · 8 pts · 12h
So... Every business ever, then?
The other one I've noticed is that they've stopped shipping necessary drivers with the install iso now, so if you do make the decision to install fresh, enjoy using the nipple on your Lenovo laptop because the trackpad and network driver didn't come with the iso.
I'm so unbelievably tired of being a windows admin
Source: I did the windows install song and dance this morning
black0ut@pawb.social · 4 pts · 11h
So tired of keeping like 10 different ethernet dongles, 5 of one model and 5 of another, because half of the new laptops can't even connect to the internet with the windows install ISO due to lack of drivers.
Sometimes one of those 2 models will also refuse to work with the windows ISO, so ig fuck you if you're trying to install windows on more than 5 computers at the same time.
Oh and of course you still need to do the bypass even if you don't have drivers for the network card. Ig also fuck you too if you don't know about it, because you're never gonna install windows on that laptop.
EonNShadow@pawb.social · 2 pts · 10h
Actually insane how far we've regressed in Windows land
It really feels like Ubuntu in 2008 whereas current Ubuntu or any other Linux Distro is infinitely easier to deal with nowadays.
MS has just fumbled the ball at every turn.
rekabis@programming.dev · 2 pts · 6h
Welcome back to the Win95/98/SE/XP era. Where everything old is new again.
quadrant5835@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 12h
Still true that bypassing TPM means major upgrades are disabled and requires manual install by iso?
kboos1@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 1d
I just don't plug in the Ethernet cable or connect to a wifi network. There will be a skip option if you aren't connected but it will pester you about how great it is to receive ads. Then once you actually get to the finished install you will have 30 days to setup an account and register otherwise you will get the little note in the bottom of the desktop that says you're using an unregistered version and get pop ups to remind you to register.
You don't have to connect it to the internet and register, it just annoys you until you do.
cannedtuna@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 1d
They removed the option. Even if you boot with WiFi off. So now you have to open CMD and run the command OOBE\BYPASSNRO reboot and it’ll give you the option to skip. Had to look that one up cause yeah it used to be just boot w/o Ethernet plugged in
kboos1@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1d
Ok, must be recent. My USB stick of Win11 is less than a year old. Guess I won't be making a new one anytime soon
cannedtuna@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 1d
As someone pointed out below, Rufus does have a feature now that lets you check a box to do this automatically.
Alex@lemmy.lu · 8 pts · 1d
Windows just dug it's own grave over the years, and still fails to die....
highball@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 1d
30 years of vendor lock'n will do that.
HugeNerd@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 1d
Could we put extra apostrophes in that same grave? Here we are building consciousness into machines, yet we will never figure out that it's means it is.
_stranger_@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 1d
Many Linii (and even BSDeez and various Archaeums) are more "download to a USB stick and use" now, you don't even need to install them!
grue@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 1d
Windows is for people with no self-respect. Seeing them defend it is just sad in the same way as seeing a battered spouse defend their abuser.
Godric@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 14h
Yeah! Using a different OS is like spousal abuse!
boring_bohr@feddit.org · -1 pts · 1d
And memes like this and statements like these just feel like some pointless superiority complex circlejerk which achieve nothing to actually promote Linux adoption (or rather hurt it).
I like Linux, I've been using Linux on all of my desktop systems for a few months now and on various servers for many years. It's nice. A lot of things are great. But there are just as many hiccups to encounter. And the kind of superior, unhelpful attitude that a noticable part of the Linux communities show (whether that is just a vocal minority or actual major part is irrelevant to someone looking for help), especially towards new users who often have no idea about various Linux-isms, is really shitty.
grue@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 1d
We're not talking about "hiccups; " we're talking about deliberate attacks against you. Linux has bugs, but with Windows, the OS is designed to serve Microsoft's interests at your expense. It's a categorically different thing.
Your statement is a perfect example of the sort of bargaining (in the toxic relationship sense) I'm talking about. It's the tech equivalent of saying "I fell down the stairs" when the real cause of your black eye was your abuser punching you in the face.
Note that absolutely nothing I've written here is about technical competency or "Linux-isms," but instead about psychology and business ethics.
boring_bohr@feddit.org · 2 pts · 1d
First point, fair. I'm not arguing that. I despise Microsoft as much as the next person here. I honestly don't have strong feelings about Windows at its core, I've used it extensively, but I also always knew how to work around Microsofts bullshit, whatever. Doesn't make the paractices any less predatory. Fair.
Second point, I in no way defended Microsoft and/or Windows. I only talked about Linux there. That's quite some interpretation, equating that to defending an abuser in a toxic relationship.
And third point, yeah, "Windows is for people with no self-respect" totally sounds like psychology and business ethics. Just what is the point of such a statement? It is hardly the average users fault that Windows has the market share it has and that Microsoft has the power it has. Or that its shitty practices are allowed in the first place. Call it lazy or complacent or "no self-respect" or whatever you want that most users just accept it, unless there are alternatives that work for the majority, people are getting educated about them (and the problems with how things are otherwise) and the community actually helps with issues in good faith at large, I don't expect things to change drastically. Which is what I was trying to get at, but I certainly could have explained that significantly better. And we desperately need regulatory changes to restrict and prevent such predatory behavior in the first place.
I'll try to do the educating and helping part in my immediate surroundings, anyone I can get to try Linux (or other alternatives in other categories) is good in my book. Instead of telling my friends and family they have no self respect.
And before you read that into this, I am not talking about people who actively defend Microsofts shitty practices. I am talking about people who just use it because that's what was on the device when they got it. And created an account during setup simply because it asked for it, without giving it a second thought (since that sadly has become commonplace, which, again, I am not defending). And I assume that is the vast majority.
It sounds a lot more like you are the one categorically not respecting people who use Windows, as opposed them having no self respect. Blanket statements like that help noone.
Maybe I'm stupid here, maybe I'm misreading your comment, whatever, tell me if I'm wrong. I currently don't feel like putting more energy into this discussion, if you can call it that, but I'll see.
mazzilius_marsti@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 20h
even for currently running PCs, sometimes i swear to God it's like dejavu : my laptop suddenly asks if i want to use the OneDrive and Office sub. You know that screen when you do the Win 11 setup.
The only way to exit is via the "Remind me later", which is even more BS. You cant even Decline.
Treczoks@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1d
In a nutshell, yes. Stock Windows has become even more useless over the years, and installation has obviously become a pain in the ass. I don't envy our IT department.
Theoriginalthon@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 10h
I mean you don't even have to install, just boot the iso and click try now
0x0@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 15h
Worry not, Canonical will have you holding its beer in no time.
SabinStargem@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 1d
You can use RUFUS to install Windows, and preemptively remove restrictions. MASGravel lets you activate Windows once you got an internet connection. ShutUp10 for configuring your privacy, and also for uninstalling AI stuff. I recommend the premium version if you want ShutUp10 to automatically revert Microsoft's meddling after updates.
I recommend MASgravel's Windows Enterprise 25h2 GAC .iso for your RUFUS, it has the right balance between debloat and still being usable by a typical person.
floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 1d
Even more uberchad, can be used without installing it at all
RhyknowsceriousGodkillerD@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 5h
then quit using it. take off your leash.
Godric@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 14h
You can, though. When it prompts you to make a Microsoft Account, select Other Options, Domain Account, and create a local account. You don't actually have to join the PC to a domain :)
spinning_disk_engineer@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 13h
That's still a ridiculous dark pattern, in my opinion no better than tabbing over to the command line. Nice to know that you can though, next time I need windows 11 for anything.
Godric@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 13h
I agree it it dumb that it's hidden away in a GUI menu, but it does exist. But why let something as silly as facts get in the way of a good WindowsBad! circlejerk?
electric_nan@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 11h
I think only business/pro SKUs allow this though?
Godric@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 11h
Very possible, I am dealing with business/pro SKUs most often. I think it works on all editions, but not sure.
Zephyr@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 1d
There's some loopholes to jump through depending on hardware but that's also because of windows.
Megumin@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 1d
If the argument is that windows sucks because you have to do a bunch of bullshit to get it semi functional, then the same could be said for something like arch Linux with its setup process and the constant tweaking.
ayyy@sh.itjust.works · 9 pts · 1d
Sure but that’s an active choice to go with a fiddly distro. Thats like putting hot sauce on your own food and telling the chef it’s too spicy.
BlackRoseAmongThorns@slrpnk.net · 8 pts · 1d
Installed CachyOS half a year ago, the setup was short, involved, but no constant tweaking, my previous laptop was a Mint, same story, the installation process was made very simple and seamless a long while ago, unless you're purposely trying something complex, that is.
Megumin@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1d
I've switched from windows to mint 3 seperate times and Debian once. I don't have any problems with the system itself but every time people always talk about how easy it is to game, they are almost exclusively referring to steam.
I pirate certain games like old call of duty games because you can't play zombies offline on steam but modded/pirated versions you can. I can never for the life of me figure them out on Linux. Another simple game is wizard101, its not on steam and whenever I play it, its just laggy as hell.
I'll never hate on Linux because it is amazing, but I just struggle with it more than most it seems.
CheesyFox@lemmy.sdf.org · 2 pts · 20h
Lutris seems to be the solution for your problem. Also, for older games, often than not, you gotta try few different proton versions.
BlackRoseAmongThorns@slrpnk.net · 1 pts · 19h
Yeah, older games require a bit of tinkering, the bigger the game's community, the more likely it is documented, i play modded Morrowind and the process was rather simple, albeit very involved.
online-focused games should generally be a lot harder to install, so I understand the frustration, but it's not an issue of installing the OS itself, just installing a game in an emulated environment, and using the correct settings, which shouldn't be too different from emulating consoles, it makes it a bit easier to think about it that way.
muhyb@programming.dev · 5 pts · 1d
That's a feature of Arch Linux though. If you don't want that, there are bunch of distros you don't need tweaking.
Megumin@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 1d
I'm aware, and just like how those other distros exist, these extra windows steps are for power users. Normie's can just go through the normal windows installation process that doesn't involve hassle.
muhyb@programming.dev · 2 pts · 1d
Well, normies don't usually care about privacy either, so those align. However some non tech-savvy people care about privacy, maybe these steps would be better for them in the short span before they are committed to Linux.
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 22h
Arch is made for tweaking, bad example.
Onomatopoeia@lemmy.cafe · -6 pts · 1d
But, you can
mister_universe@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 1d
But clearly you don't know how.