Well not on lemmy I don't think they use algorathms to rank content and are open about how they rank comments and such. Not entirely sure though I am not a computer guy.
Sorting by ‘active’ takes into account the time of the last comment, and/or the number of comments. And it's the default sorting option in the default UI and apps that I've seen.
Not gonna lie, I see people doing this theatrical shit in the 2020's and I instantly hate them for killing any good vibes that were happening. They no longer represent their politics to me.
Not sure arguing with them really does either. I think this was true in simple chronological message boards, but anything that boosts content due to engagement is just going to make it worse...
To be clear, I'm writing from a Lemmy/Reddit/Slashdot perspective. Maybe on Mastodon/Twitter (or, dog forbid, Facebook) it's different, but I wouldn't know because I've never used that shit.
Pretty sure reddit uses some algorithmic stuff to push threads, no? If you jump all over a bullshit political post, for example, doesn't that help push it into 'hot' or whatever? (Honestly asking, been off reddit for years at this point).
Lemmy/piefed/etc might be less prone to it though, that's fair, though I've so far run into less outright propagandistic stuff here so far... might've just been lucky on that front.
I was thinking more in terms of replying to the comments within threads, rather than the posts themselves. But yeah, I guess you've got a point that the number of comments under a post might influence its position in some types of feeds.
Over the years I've realized the futility of engaging with idiocy online. It's either trolls, bots, or morons, and I'm not convinced any interaction is worth it to me, all it does is piss me off, and I'm just enabling their stupid bullshit.
So yeah, there's a one strike and you're out policy now. Does that increase my echo chamber, sure, but I'd rather interact with like minded people than piss away my own happiness by feeding bots, idiots, and trolls.
There's 8 billion people, if you count bots there are probably 16 billion. I already have good people in my actual life, I can spare a few online souls lol
I tried for years man, but there's so much bad faith, and I'm just one guy who just wants some peace now. I've been so fuckin angry my whole life, I just can't anymore, the futility is draining
The thing that cost the the election was that overwhelmingly popular left policy was entirely unrepresented; the left screamed "Genocide, funding ICE, and doing fuckall to help people will decrease votes", liberals said "What the fuck are you gonna do, not vote? We need to appeal to Moderate Republicans(tm) by talking about stopping migrant caravans, including republicans in your cabinet, banning trans people from sports, and The Most Lethal Military Ever!!".
And once again, basically no republicans voted democrat, while massively unpopular republican policies decreased turnout.
It would be trivial to sway people with "Do you want free healthcare? Do you want to NOT resume a genocide? Do you want to keep federally legal pot? Do you want Trump to stay in prison?"
I really don’t come to social media to change the world or people’s minds. I don’t know where this mentality of “you must change people’s minds” comes from. When was the last time some rando changed yours?
I get enlightened on Lemmy almost everyday as long as people have discussion with me. But that's the thing people resort to band whenever you question their opinion. If you look at United States, Trump built a coalition of former Democrats to be on his cabinet. That's one example of people changing their minds, why can't we on the left do that? How the hell did he get RFK Jr on his cabinet?😂😂
I’ll grant you that the links to content are informative but usually the comments are full of people missing the point, taking your comment out of context, etc. like this person that’s trying to act like I’m racist because I said it’s difficult to find vegan food in Mexico.
I’d say 90% of comments are just a waste of time. I would never come here expecting positive engagement with others.
This is sad to hear, I remember the Golden age of Reddit was so open and you could have a discussion with everybody. I was hoping that Lemmy was stuck in that era, but it seems that down vaults aren't enough for this website. They must resort to banning people with different opinions
i never had like any reddit comment reported in like a decade... then around '22 all the sudden contrary or sarcastic comments became site-wide ban offenses. mostly because people would report you and the AI would ban you, and you had to argue and appeal to get unbanned.
contrarianism was normal and healthy part of the site for over a decade, now it's considered harassment and assault by the AI admins.
We should be welcoming defectors from the right but the oligarchy has everything so influence operatized that we are led to loudly reject them so we remain unable to win.
ie MTG. That said, everyone that's been against the bad guys from the start should get at least one I told you so on a turncoat. But they should be welcomed and encouraged to defect even if you don't trust their motives as being anything beyond self interest.
I can accept that MTG is no longer a trumper, I can't accept most of her anything else. She is racist and destructive and trying to set up her next bid for election. I'm guessing the next VP?
“This hateful, racists [sic], and demeaning rhetoric should not be tolerated. Ever. But they allow it and keep her in the inner circle,” Greene wrote Sunday in a social media post on X.
Note: I included her anti-racism because it seems like she's not used to it.
Idk what she has been up to lately, but here changes in stances, repudiating Israel, calling gaza a genocide, supporting universal healthcare, what else, opposing the Iran war, and what else, opposing geo engineering, (yes her base is opposed to it primarily because chemtrails but they are also against spraying sulphur dioxide in the upper atmosphere to blot out the sun.
What else, there were others too. She's further left than almost the entire democratic party at this point.
I don't think there is a single white democrat further left of her just given those positions. Bernie doesn't count at this point. Name one, Ron Wyden? Supports sending weapons, incluing assault rifles to Israeli settlers in the west bank, just last summer.
Idk, seems to me like Israel and their super fans are manipulating us, again.
RFK Jr. had like three percent in polls as an independent candidate, so he went to Democrats with an offer to withdraw and endorse them in exchange for a healthcare position. Sure enough, nobody there even listened to that constantly choking nut. So he went with the same offer to Trump, who decided “yeah, sure, who cares”. The gag, of course, is that there's no guarantee that the three percent voted for Trump — they might've split evenly or all chosen Democrats.
However, I'm not sure what about that roadkill-eating conspiracy-theorist brainworm is Democrat.
What Republicans did that camel even try to bring in? Oh yes the hated Cheney's. That was so brilliant, bring the warmonger and evil cheney family to the Democrat ticket. Such brilliant very smart move 🤣🤣
Do you see how stupid Kamala is? She is thinking of running again? The Democrats will probably make sure she does because they are controlled opposition
For me it's more about sharing the many information, including the best insults to spread around about the ruling class, and networking, than changing peoples' minds.
If someone is being rude and I don't think they are in good faith, or a serious person, I just ignore them. I don't block or hit the ignore button, I just stop replying, usually don't even read them.
You can't really "change someone's mind" unless they're receptive to it. Quite often you'll just end up in a situation where both parties are already hard set into their position; then they both enthusiastically repeat their best arguments and logic, while completely ignoring what the other person is saying. The hope is that there's a magic combination of words that will trigger the incantation that changes the opposition's mind. There usually isn't.
As a thought experiment, if you wouldn't be willing to "change teams" no matter what the other person says, they probably feel the same way towards you.
I have a family member who is an avid Pauline Hanson / Trump supporter; despite my reminders that those people hate me for who I am at a fundamental level and would see me suppressed, deported, begging on the streets, or worse. I'm "one of the good ones" you see, an exemption to patch over the cognitive dissonance. I would never support them, because it would be literal suicide to do so. I'm sure they have similarly strong opinions about my favourite progressive political parties.
That said, I don't have a good actual solution, and at least arguing about things raises visibility and could sway undecided third parties. But at a certain point it becomes too exhausting to continue arguing all the time.
I just read up on Hansen and she is concerning. My argument is look at Trump: he hasn't done anything to trans people yet. The law still protects trans rights. Maybe that's why your family is not worried
Executive Order 14183, titled "Prioritizing Military Excellence and Readiness", is an executive order issued by President Donald Trump on January 27, 2025, banning transgender people from military service.
Sure, he has been side tracked into other heinous shit since then but kicking them out of the military was one of the first things he did in office.
If anything he is protecting trans if you think about it. What trans person wants to serve under Trump anyway? I wish I was exempt from the upcoming draft That's coming
My friend, USA is the only place that truly matters. We are the greatest empire that have ever and will ever exist on this planet. Only with the grace of the USA, does any other country continue to exist. We have won so many world wars. We have proven to be the best and every other country just follows in our wake. So when elections happen in the USA, that's the elections everybody talks about throughout the whole world. When our trillionaires make decisions, the rest of the world listens. That's true power, that's something no other country will ever be able to experience.
Well reddit is too corporate now, I like this place. Without the USA lemmy wouldn't excist. Without the USA this whole computer thing wouldn't excist. You should be thankful that all this exists and was given to you for free. #thankanAmerican should be a thing really
I never said that people shouldn't be grateful for good things. I only said that the USA is not the literal exclusive nation in the entire world that had elections in 2024.
And you said that you like this place, so I am offering a correction here if you choose to accept it: we can leave Reddit behind, all of it.
I don't like what Reddit turned me into. Argumentative, combative even, ready to unleash upon anyone who dared respond with the slightest criticism. Did you know that Reddit designed their systems to promote such rage-baiting? You, like literally all of us here, feel into their trap. But you can breathe the free air now.
Ah yes, the fascist country ruled by conmen and conspiracy theorists, where people struggle to pay rent, and avoid going to the doctor until it's an emergency. Where people sign up to kill Arabs, just so they escape poverty. Truly the best.
"the" election - as if there was only a single one? Lemmy.World where your account is housed is not located in the USA (while I do not know about programming.dev).
Your argument would carry much more weight if you displayed the slightest sensitivity towards acknowledging that places outside of the USA so much as exist, and occasionally have elections.
Debating with people in general is something I’ve found to be stupid and pointless as I’ve gotten older, even if they’re not trolls. I don’t even like watching videos of others debating. People come out the other end more entrenched than they were before. As for trolls, I don’t engage at all. My echo chamber is devoid of righties and nothing of value was lost.
debating people is great when they want to actually debate.
they don't thought, anymore. especially online. and on campuses, student activists try to shut down debates rather than attended them and learn something. one of my favorite part was attending lectures and debates and while some where shitty, i always learned something.
people don't believe in the principle of charity anymore either. you can't have debate or education without the principle of charity... otherwise it's just a trying to beat down the opposite side.
not to mention most popular 'debate' is not real debate, it's people being ignorant assholes and doubling-down on it and people viewing that as 'confidence' and 'victory'.
Thank you!
Discussing ideas is amazing, even with people who disagree with you.
It can help both sides learn so much and acquire perspective.
What people think debates are is shaped a lot by how youtube and politicians portray them (and of course, in that format, it's a fallacy free-for-all).
Thank you! Discussing ideas is amazing, even with people who disagree with you.
Yes, but for a lot of the users here, it makes you EVIL.
Like, I rented out a bedroom in my condo for a few years, according to the average lemmy poster this makes me as morally repugnant as a death camp administrator... when personally I wouldn't even consider myself a 'landlord'.
i've been told i'm a evil terrible dipshit since i was in kindergarten. Got sent to the principles office many times for asking too many questions even as a small child. my own parents would scream at me to stop asking questions and shut up and just repeat what the teacher told me and stop making them 'uncomfortable' by challenging their ignorance.
Most folks just want you to shut up and agree with them and tell them how genius they are, and how The Office is the BEST TELEVISION SHOW EVER MADE. The second you say you don't really like the Office you're a Terrible Person.
it's not a shame. it's what got me into Harvard when everyone told me I would never be admitted and I should go dipshit state u like the rest of my peers. most of whom failed out of dipshit state u anyway.
There are people calling for your literal and actual death, for the crime of... having a bank account?
They want us all dead. Or rather, the civilization we are in, and aren't too particular about how many others need to die to make it happen.
This btw paves the way for all humanity to become "pure" communists - just exactly and precisely like North Korea, Russia, and China "are".
Once you realize that the principle I am speak of is identical to that of MAGA, using Alternative Facts but just swapping out the rhetoric to be on the left side, you will understand so much better, that you are never going to convince them of anything, bc their goal is not to be correct and instead to simply WIN.
I think debates about things in the science and similar subjects can be interesting. It has to be a scenario where everyone means well and is passionate about the subject matter. But if it’s some echo chamber right-wing “debate” where it’s a guy in a suit with a bunch of puppets nodding along, there’s no value to be had. I’ve had friends send me those Jubilee videos and I don’t want to watch those ever, regardless of their political leanings. Propaganda in the US has broken people though and they think everything should have some opportunity to one-up the perceived competition. That kind of thing is antithetical to progress and education, and is self-serving nonsense.
cool, that's how I see pretty much all 'left-wing' debate too. Propaganda and insanity, with no basis in the complexities of the real world.
A huge chunk of 'progressives' are anti-progress and seem to believe resources are infinite and their theories are flawless and perfect... almost as if they are just as stupid and propagandized as the people they hate on the right...
I wanted to be an educator myself, professionally, but I left because I saw how delusional leftist it was becoming and how it was shooting itself in the foot, always focusing on feelings and praising ignorance as ideology rather than seeking knowledge and leaving the ideology outside of the classroom.
You can't have education and debate and knowledge if your priority is pushing ideology, the ideology is supposed to be subservient to those things, not the other way around. But that's not how people in educational spaces think anymore, many are just ideologues who want to push out anyone who isn't as extremist as they are. Whether it be on the right or the left.
No one is immune from propaganda, but I separate out progressive and leftist movements. Liberalism enables anti-progressive ideas, while identifying as the greater good. While leftist movements advocate for things like equal rights and breaking free from the chains of Zionist enablement. The problem I have with a lot of leftist echo chamber content is that it’s a lot of punching down at liberals that are often open to leftist ideas and movements, which is counterproductive to educating and welcoming them. Fred Hampton saw this and that’s why he was never hateful or inflammatory towards fellow working class people. He correctly identified that all working class are in the same boat, even if they’ve been divided up by differing propagandist camps.
your entire comment here is nothing but propaganda to me. I see a bunch of bullshit terms and name drops and nothing of substance other than rhetorical flourishes. word salad that sounds good but is information junk food.
That’s your take and that’s fine. But there’s educational takeaways from the actions of others. Hence the mention of Fred Hampton—a single name drop coupled with reasoning. If you think working towards a unified working class is “bullshit”, I don’t really have anything else to contribute. Take it or leave it, I don’t really care. I’d say I sound less propagandist than some folks do that swallow communism/socialism and its figures wholesale without having an original interpretation or nuance.
meanwhile the righties have also built their echo chamber devoid of uncomfortable discussions also. and the polarization continues to get deeper, dehumanization of 'the others' and wars become a common idea.
Those groups are filled with anti-trans, pro-corporate nonsense. I don’t even know what the point is, other than to make themselves feel bigger when the reality is that they’re just scared. It’s an echo chamber permeated with billionaire-funded viewpoints. No original thought, while also needing someone to punch down at every time.
It does happen here on occasion. I've witnessed it.
Of course... the mods usually ban people for having honest discussions because it makes other users uncomfortable. The word-salad users don't like honest discussion because it is scary to them and hurts them. So it must be banned, because anything that isn't their own bullshit is evil and horrible.
If you block everything you don't like, you end up in an echo chamber with no possibility of new perspective. Learning and Insight require thesis and antithesis. If there's anything you should block, it's rude, agitating, insulting rageladen discussions or users. Those also hinder Insight and new perspectives.
If you find an unlabeled bot, most admins will ban them.
So far every time I've seen someone claim Lemmy is full of bots, they haven't been able to identify 1 unlabled bot.
And its not even hard, there are users that AI slop in arguments, so I think its literally just people wanting an excuse to dismiss viewpoints they don't like.
I was talking about the internet as a whole, I don’t know the specific security or botness of Lemmy, I’ve not found one so far as far as I can tell.
Most users Ive seen have pretty long histories with varying opinions.
Who is a confirmed bot? Me?
What would I say to show Im not a bot? We all use VPNs.
Do typos prove you aren’t a bot?
Ask me to bake a cake or something.
I block US politics because it's same whining every day, that by and large has nothing to do with me. Even though I'd like to learn occasionally what new entertaining stuff the pedofascist came up with, I don't think I'm missing much, and I'm getting closer to the last frame from the OP.
the problem is the problematic people are so insanely prolific. they also have multiple accounts on multiple instances, unlike normies who have one on one instance.
i was browsing lemmy logged out this morning and vs logging in it's like night and day. mostly because of a dozen or so power users who just spam every community incessantly with their rage-bait agendas. and a few of which go into the comments are try to silence any dissenter, skepticism, or disagreement by labeling such comments as an -ism.
I probably can't even begin to understand how sad of a life some of the people on this platform must have to put that much effort into their online "activism".
I'm not doing that. I just find it funny that in a post about blocking that the top post has someone who I blocked under it. Most people I block never know it. I guess this person does now and had some kind of opinion about it. As long as they don't inflict it on me.
I haven’t blocked that many people, but I’ve also blocked whoever the other commenter is. That likely means they are an obvious troll, if they made my meager list. It looks like they also replied to you, which is pretty funny.
I think this is for people who are less "annoying" and more "actively lying and being bad faith." If someone says the elections were stolen, vaccines cause autism, and liberals hate America, I have other things I would rather do than investigate every one of the infinite conspiracy theories that I already know many others have debunked. It's essentially an exercise in bad faith rhetoric at that point, which is just so incredibly boring. I'll look into a few to see the patterns of how they lie, and then I'm good.
That's a very heavy lifting interpretation of the comic. It literally says "I don't like this thing". Not "this person is arguing in bad faith". This is how echo chambers form, and lemmy is a textbook example of one.
Well maybe bad faith wasn't the right term, I think for me it's just that if someone disagrees with me, my response is almost never even close to "I don't like this," unless they're being hateful, unreasonably rude, saying proven false conspiracies, etc. Most of the time it's "oh I think they don't realize or haven't considered xyz" and most of the time either they didn't know or they correct me on something.
For things I would block, if a racist maga person comes in and says something, I gain absolutely nothing from hearing how climate change is fake, how libs are the real racists, how we hate trump for no reason. It's just negativity conspiracy brainrot and it's a huge waste of my time. Same for posts about what random out of touch billionaire #45 said, same for people generally being mean or super negative towards others, that's what I actually don't like and am happier having blocked it to never see again.
Under the new system it actually lets the blocked person know they are blocked, which is horrible design because they now know that they need to use an alt to send you mean messages. Under the old system they don't actually know if their messages are getting through, so it is better in that regard.
yeah, and actually all those platforms have been shown on different opportunities to have a bot problem and it's still unaddressed because it's basically a conflict of interests to them (numbers go up : stakeholders go happy.) That's basically how I've been drown to Lemmy (and before, other 'niche' forums, irc channels, etc.)
The fact that these platforms are trying to remove the block button is, to my mind, the strongest argument in favor of using it. These platforms are often mentally corrosive and will do everything in their power to ensure that you stay addicted, outraged, and idle. If you're busy debating reactionary idiots, who these days might not even be real people, then that is sapping your mental energy away from more productive efforts in your party/union.
Maybe you are just afraid to have your preconceptions challenged and are here for a quick ego fix. Which is cool and all, we all doomscroll, we need that dopamine, but I don't believe that is the purpose of a forum like this. Tik Tok might be a better match.
Sure, until next place changes their block function as well. Changing the rules to something that is objectively less safe is a bad thing, even if people are free to leave.
The first, most central and foundational principle of international diplomacy and conflict resolution is that you must always afford both sides a voice. If you don't, there can be no communication, no progress, no way forward but conflict.
Take a moment and try to feel what you feel when someone ignores you, as if you were thin air. Does that emotion lead somewhere good?
I don't get the need. I just ignore them, and remove the "blocking" extra step. If some random Trumpy is super mad and messaging me often, it pleases me. I've got some guy on FB that has been messaging me for years, he's like my best friend now.
I read a lot of comments, and unless I block a lot of people, it is just not worth the engagement. There is only so much transphobia and pro-genocide propaganda I can take per day, even if I skip reading past the first few words.
Also, if any actual person reading this, is considering themselves a tankie, and does not support genocide, please, this random internet stranger pleads, to reconsider your position. You are hanging at the table with nazis, in that metaphora: trusting Chinese or Russian state sponsored sources, on genocide of their ethnic minorities, is the same thing, as trusting what Israel says about Gaza.
Careful. Thats how echo chambres happen. Disagreeing can be uncomfortable and people might not like that feeling especially around facing and understanding bigotry. even more so if they havent learned to disagree amicably. Which youre not going to learn in flowers and meadows.
A healthy life is a reflected life. a healthy mind is an examined mind. playing only to a comfort level isnt exactly seeking growth.
i know a tonne of white ppl who you cant even fathom discussion around racism let alone politics without them going 'youre bumming me out. why cant we only speak about flowers and meadows'
which is privilege pushed by spoilt racist people who call themselves 'blessed' for being white and never having to experience such things and love waving that comfort bubble in everyone's less privileged face.
This assumes everyone works with the same healthy boundaries to know when they are reasonable.
Pnt 4 there: disagreements and differences happen and should be allowed to happen.
A person who is in a toxic state knows how to distort those points in order to vilify anything and anyone as if it's 'toxic'. This is exactly how the right vilify anyone who doesn't look like them. All justified for 'feeling safe' in order to escape discomfort.
That thinking right there is how the right ended up in their own indifferent manosphere echo chamber vilifying everyone who makes them feel mildly uncomfortable.
What I hate: when the software leaves a placeholder for blocked users' content.
What I love: when they completely disappear. I might miss people's replies to the blocked user though.
Long story short, I don't block all users I find deliberately ignorant or hateful, only those that somehow manage to get through my defenses and trigger me to the point of obsession, for no good reason.
I feel like it's useful to have choices here. Like a "<-- you said this guy sucks" label separate from "hide" (placeholders), "ignore" (no placeholder when 0 replies) and "block" (no placeholder at all).
On piefed I use emojis to tag dumbasses to remind myself not to engage with their stupidity instead of blocking most of the time. That way I can skim their bullshit and still get to see the rest of the comment chain.
Also a few of the worst posters start quality posts and are just morons in the comments, so that way I still get to see their posts.
For example, this is my reminder that this user is a dumbshit:
I do have quite a few people on the block list too, which is for when their behavior approaches the level of harassment or they are so completely terrible that they aren't even worth laughing at.
Yeah, there's someone that I blocked two years ago, I keep seeing empty replies to my comments. I logged out to check a while back and they're still at it just less occasionally.
I like how many people interpret this as hiding from literally every problem that exists as opposed to not dealing with trolls or comics you don’t like.
Context is a thing, you don’t have to apply everything as a universalism. That’s kind of a stupid thing to do.
Let no one tell you that blocking people means that you lost some arbitrary debate with some idiot online. I have proudly blocked my fair share of idiots and racists on all social media platforms (not before insulting them of course).
Any argument I've ever had online amounted to little in not nothing productive. If you think me blocking someone means I lost an arbitrary argument with a stranger online, you can think that all you want, I'm moving onto something else with my time.
I'm a devoted user of blocking. Happy to converse with people who take issue with my comments, but if they shift into angry insult mode, or all they're doing is arguing against their own weird extrapolations of something, that's when they get blocked. There are plenty of people in the world who are able to act civil when they don't agree with somebody. There's really no need to bother with the ones who can't.
Same. I've blocked ~75 users so far. I've had more than enough of bad-faith arguments and concern trolls in my life, shaving away the worst offenders doesn't magically turn my experience into an echo chamber.
Every time I use incognito window to see a reply from someone I've blocked (cuz old.lemmy does this thing where you can't see any replies under you if someone you blocked replied as well), they confirm I was correct in blocking them.
old.lemmy does this thing where you can't see any replies under you if someone you blocked replied as well
Do you mean it doesn't show replies from blocked users (which would be correct), or that you can't see replies to your comment if there's a sibling comment from a blocked user? I'm slightly confused 😅
But in general, if you find any odd behaviour or bugs in mlmym or if you have feature requests, feel free to send them to #mlmym:mschae23.de, !mlmym@lemmy.world, or mlmym@lists.mschae23.de, whichever you prefer :)
When someone ive blocked replies to me I see that "continue comments" link, which opens to nothing regardless if there are sibling comments from unblocked users.
This is likewise how you cater your feed to be super comfortable so you see the same shit over and over and never grow or develop, and develop a rather strong intolerance of opinions other than your own.
Controversial opinion but seeing people repost the same tired ass arguments that we all get from the media actually isn’t that helpful to anything.
Put another way, I already have to tolerate people who disagree with me all day every day at work and in daily life and so on. If I want to learn something I’ll go read an actual book on the subject. Subjecting myself to online shitposting may not be as helpful.
There is nothing intellectually stunting about seeking community with people who are less argumentative, just like there is nothing enlightening about arguing with people who are posting in bad faith.
I think there is a time to build up and a time to tear down. True growth only happens when you are outside your comfort zone, but it is perfectly fine and dandy to want to have control over that. At the least, there needs to be a passive force within the system to entice people into growth that can be stepped away from or engaged for general positive growth. There needs to be beneficial governors of men (people).
I’ve blocked a shit ton of people here. I don’t care about open discussion when people are not interested in discussing in good faith in the first place. Also it’s just Lemmy I’m here for entertainment I don’t care about your whack ass opinion. The real discussions are done IRL face to face where people can’t hide behind an username. It’s not like the opinion of a permanently online basement dweller on the other side of the planet is important for the development of my world view when they don’t know anything about my country.
Dont you think this is way easier then continously posting bi-weekly+ cringe feudposts in hopes to influence your particular lemmy instance admins to defederate people you dont like. Not just for you, but for everyone else.
Way faster to just block the person/instance yourself and let the other adults pick what they view themselves. Way easier. Way less cringe.
I am happy you are taking agency in what you view on the internet stranger. We are stronger federated together, even if we wish to live our lives in different ways.
I've been doing that more after joining the Fediverse but there are a handful of exceptions. One is an absolute nutter who spreads disinformation like it's butter, and I can't bring myself to block him because while I'll never be able to make him stop, at least I can advise others that a) it is false information and b) he is immune to evidence. (It's an unusual situation where what he says is pretty easy to refute). So I can also help people not to waste their time talking to him (or at least to go in forearmed)
Trust me bro, if you just ignore them, then the problem will solve itself, just like real problems do, and you will be able to sleep better at night. Ain't that something?
I wish this would work, but unfortunately even if you try and block for example news, us politics or the middle east content, agitating posts creep into other communities all the time. Even if you search for anything on lemmy you can bet sth agitating about the classic rage inducing topics pop up.
yep. you can block individual things, but you can't block all content, and people love shoving controversial content onto everything.
even in my own offline hobbies... in online spaces lots of folks grandstand over social/political issues in the hobby and try to make people 'pick sides' so they can call them names. today i saw a post to a FB group I used for local events... demanding everyone boycott this company... that nobody uses anyway and isn't even related to the hobby in question... it's insane. and if you remove the post they cry foul and you are trying to 'silence' them and you're on the 'bad side' of the issue.
and face it, the vibe of lemmy has changed substantially over the past few years, and it's way more full of controversy-seeking nutjobs than it was 2-3 years ago. making any most with subtley and nuace on any issue here just gets you harassed and labeled and attacked, because dumbasses can't see things as more complex than absolutely good/right, or absolutely evil/wrong.
people act like seeing a contrary opinion is like being abused as a child. it isn’t.
This is educational policy in many places... that's what's terrifying. Students/parents were getting teachers fired over hearing things they didn't like.
I wanted to go into education in 2010 or so... but started seeing this was where education was going... and decided to not waste my efforts on it. And yeah all the people making those decisions... were the type of people whose parents paid for their graduate school... and bought them condos... etc. Folks who didn't live in the real world and though the real world should never be acknowledged because it made them feel bad about themselves and we must never allow anyone to ever feel bad!
The internet got so ass overall. There is so much noise. There are just a few tolerable places left. I wont waste my precious time with shit i dont like or even worse which makes me angry. The internet supposed to be my distraction from how shitty my job is and my frustrations with all the idiots i have to encounter on a daily basis. Without block/allow lists this just isnt possible for me anymore for years.
And yeah sometimes its nothing big or important. I dont like the anime community in the internet at large. No special reason. I just dont like them. So i blocked everything i could so that stuff just never appears on my feed. Even though i enjoy a little anime in my live. As in japanese animated cartoons. Theres good stuff. But tbh it isnt even just anime. I pretty much stopped interacting with any specific fandom. And if i'm starting to see too many rick and morty, star wars, trek[...] whatever memes i'm going to block them as well. Its my feed.
IMHO thats way more valid than having some shitty engagement algo dictate what i see. I preselected my content already by beeing on the fediverse and then i've chosen my subs for communities. Thats already a big/tiny(?) ass echo chamber. Why not block shit i just dont like?
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grue@lemmy.world · 73 pts · 2d
Blocking doesn't stop them from propagandizing others.
Aurenkin@sh.itjust.works · 91 pts · 2d
True but sometimes you have to pick your battles for your own mental health.
Azteh@lemmy.world · 24 pts · 2d
Very true, but be careful not to end up in an echo chamber
SiegeRhino@lemmy.world · 51 pts · 1d
oh no my echo chamber of funny comics and cat pictures aaa oh nooooo
SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org · 6 pts · 1d
Tons of drawn porn in mine. Bit of politics and most importantly almost no slop.
anzo@programming.dev · 5 pts · 1d
:3 you made me laugh. meow!
surewhynotlem@lemmy.world · 24 pts · 1d
Echo Chambers are great. You just think they're horrible because you're in an echo chamber that says they're horrible.
OpenStars@discuss.online · 6 pts · 1d
It sure would be nice to have the choice to opt-in to an echo chamber, instead of being told that I cannot opt-out of the opposite.
Kangae_Hishiryo@scribe.disroot.org · 4 pts · 1d
You wouldn't say that if you actually knew that most echo chambers are like the Incels, the neonazis or the pro-MAGA.
crank0271@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 1d
Worst Battle of the Bands lineup ever
ThunderclapSasquatch@startrek.website · 2 pts · 12h
The tankies too. Sometimes they remind me of a cult that tried to recruit me
Kangae_Hishiryo@scribe.disroot.org · 1 pts · 9h
Yeah, that's true
fisch@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 1d
But interacting with them will be interpreted as "engagement" and lead the algorithms to push them into more feeds and rank them higher.
bedwyr@piefed.ca · 12 pts · 1d
Well not on lemmy I don't think they use algorathms to rank content and are open about how they rank comments and such. Not entirely sure though I am not a computer guy.
SlurpingPus@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 1d
Sorting by ‘active’ takes into account the time of the last comment, and/or the number of comments. And it's the default sorting option in the default UI and apps that I've seen.
whyderrito@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 1d
The big problem is discerning when you're playing chess against a pigeon, and when you're acting like the pigeon yourself. "I would never" - a pigeon
huey_m@piefed.social · 2 pts · 1d
We all think we're not that guy. Especially that guy.
SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org · 14 pts · 1d
Interacting with them won't either. There is no winning with them.
grue@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 1d
The point is not to change the troll's opinion; the point is to discredit them in front of whoever else may be reading the thread.
Also, the other action other than blocking them is reporting them and having a mod or admin remove them for everybody at once.
Both of those are better options than individually blocking.
the_fuckler@nord.pub · 3 pts · 1d
Not gonna lie, I see people doing this theatrical shit in the 2020's and I instantly hate them for killing any good vibes that were happening. They no longer represent their politics to me.
Kangae_Hishiryo@scribe.disroot.org · 2 pts · 1d
Yeah.
There are vulnerable people that might fall for their bullshit, so at least we must deny their nonsense so that fewer people fall for it.
anzo@programming.dev · 11 pts · 1d
oh, yeah! sometimes we need to use the report button too.
rumba@lemmy.zip · 7 pts · 1d
If they're propagandizing, there's not an argument you can make to stop them.
huey_m@piefed.social · 4 pts · 1d
Not sure arguing with them really does either. I think this was true in simple chronological message boards, but anything that boosts content due to engagement is just going to make it worse...
grue@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 23h
To be clear, I'm writing from a Lemmy/Reddit/Slashdot perspective. Maybe on Mastodon/Twitter (or, dog forbid, Facebook) it's different, but I wouldn't know because I've never used that shit.
huey_m@piefed.social · 1 pts · 22h
Pretty sure reddit uses some algorithmic stuff to push threads, no? If you jump all over a bullshit political post, for example, doesn't that help push it into 'hot' or whatever? (Honestly asking, been off reddit for years at this point).
Lemmy/piefed/etc might be less prone to it though, that's fair, though I've so far run into less outright propagandistic stuff here so far... might've just been lucky on that front.
grue@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 13h
I was thinking more in terms of replying to the comments within threads, rather than the posts themselves. But yeah, I guess you've got a point that the number of comments under a post might influence its position in some types of feeds.
OrganicMustard@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1d
If everyone blocks them then yes. I'm doing my part of the job.
Tyrq@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 41 pts · 1d
Over the years I've realized the futility of engaging with idiocy online. It's either trolls, bots, or morons, and I'm not convinced any interaction is worth it to me, all it does is piss me off, and I'm just enabling their stupid bullshit.
So yeah, there's a one strike and you're out policy now. Does that increase my echo chamber, sure, but I'd rather interact with like minded people than piss away my own happiness by feeding bots, idiots, and trolls.
melsaskca@lemmy.ca · 15 pts · 1d
"It's either trolls, bots, or morons"...which one are you? 😁
Tyrq@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 19 pts · 1d
I'm the alpha and omega of online toxicity, bow before my sludge
rumba@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 1d
he needs to make an exception for comedians
starik@lemmy.today · 13 pts · 1d
Everyone will piss you off once eventually
Tyrq@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 16 pts · 1d
There's 8 billion people, if you count bots there are probably 16 billion. I already have good people in my actual life, I can spare a few online souls lol
crank0271@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 1d
That's it, starik. You're on the list now.
AviAdi@lemmy.world · -10 pts · 1d
See this type of thing cost the left the election in 2024. It's time to have better arguments to sway people's minds, they still will vote afterall
Tyrq@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 23 pts · 1d
I tried for years man, but there's so much bad faith, and I'm just one guy who just wants some peace now. I've been so fuckin angry my whole life, I just can't anymore, the futility is draining
Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz · 12 pts · 1d
The thing that cost the the election was that overwhelmingly popular left policy was entirely unrepresented; the left screamed "Genocide, funding ICE, and doing fuckall to help people will decrease votes", liberals said "What the fuck are you gonna do, not vote? We need to appeal to Moderate Republicans(tm) by talking about stopping migrant caravans, including republicans in your cabinet, banning trans people from sports, and The Most Lethal Military Ever!!".
And once again, basically no republicans voted democrat, while massively unpopular republican policies decreased turnout.
It would be trivial to sway people with "Do you want free healthcare? Do you want to NOT resume a genocide? Do you want to keep federally legal pot? Do you want Trump to stay in prison?"
undefined@lemmy.hogru.ch · 9 pts · 1d
I really don’t come to social media to change the world or people’s minds. I don’t know where this mentality of “you must change people’s minds” comes from. When was the last time some rando changed yours?
AviAdi@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 1d
I get enlightened on Lemmy almost everyday as long as people have discussion with me. But that's the thing people resort to band whenever you question their opinion. If you look at United States, Trump built a coalition of former Democrats to be on his cabinet. That's one example of people changing their minds, why can't we on the left do that? How the hell did he get RFK Jr on his cabinet?😂😂
undefined@lemmy.hogru.ch · 5 pts · 1d
I’ll grant you that the links to content are informative but usually the comments are full of people missing the point, taking your comment out of context, etc. like this person that’s trying to act like I’m racist because I said it’s difficult to find vegan food in Mexico.
I’d say 90% of comments are just a waste of time. I would never come here expecting positive engagement with others.
whyderrito@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 1d
AviAdi@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1d
This is sad to hear, I remember the Golden age of Reddit was so open and you could have a discussion with everybody. I was hoping that Lemmy was stuck in that era, but it seems that down vaults aren't enough for this website. They must resort to banning people with different opinions
rumba@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 1d
Reddit hid downvoted comments, so if you said something truly contrary, you'd end up just getting buried.
You can indeed have discussions here, but as soon as they start going off the rails, the chances of getting blocked are pretty high.
TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1d
or getting reported.
i never had like any reddit comment reported in like a decade... then around '22 all the sudden contrary or sarcastic comments became site-wide ban offenses. mostly because people would report you and the AI would ban you, and you had to argue and appeal to get unbanned.
contrarianism was normal and healthy part of the site for over a decade, now it's considered harassment and assault by the AI admins.
bedwyr@piefed.ca · 2 pts · 1d
We should be welcoming defectors from the right but the oligarchy has everything so influence operatized that we are led to loudly reject them so we remain unable to win.
ie MTG. That said, everyone that's been against the bad guys from the start should get at least one I told you so on a turncoat. But they should be welcomed and encouraged to defect even if you don't trust their motives as being anything beyond self interest.
pelespirit@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 1d
I can accept that MTG is no longer a trumper, I can't accept most of her anything else. She is racist and destructive and trying to set up her next bid for election. I'm guessing the next VP?
Note: I included her anti-racism because it seems like she's not used to it.
bedwyr@piefed.ca · -1 pts · 1d
Idk what she has been up to lately, but here changes in stances, repudiating Israel, calling gaza a genocide, supporting universal healthcare, what else, opposing the Iran war, and what else, opposing geo engineering, (yes her base is opposed to it primarily because chemtrails but they are also against spraying sulphur dioxide in the upper atmosphere to blot out the sun.
What else, there were others too. She's further left than almost the entire democratic party at this point.
I don't think there is a single white democrat further left of her just given those positions. Bernie doesn't count at this point. Name one, Ron Wyden? Supports sending weapons, incluing assault rifles to Israeli settlers in the west bank, just last summer.
Idk, seems to me like Israel and their super fans are manipulating us, again.
pelespirit@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 1d
Dude, being anti-LGBTQ is a non-starter. Good luck trying to white wash her stances.
SlurpingPus@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1d
RFK Jr. had like three percent in polls as an independent candidate, so he went to Democrats with an offer to withdraw and endorse them in exchange for a healthcare position. Sure enough, nobody there even listened to that constantly choking nut. So he went with the same offer to Trump, who decided “yeah, sure, who cares”. The gag, of course, is that there's no guarantee that the three percent voted for Trump — they might've split evenly or all chosen Democrats.
However, I'm not sure what about that roadkill-eating conspiracy-theorist brainworm is Democrat.
AviAdi@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 22h
What Republicans did that camel even try to bring in? Oh yes the hated Cheney's. That was so brilliant, bring the warmonger and evil cheney family to the Democrat ticket. Such brilliant very smart move 🤣🤣
Do you see how stupid Kamala is? She is thinking of running again? The Democrats will probably make sure she does because they are controlled opposition
bedwyr@piefed.ca · 3 pts · 1d
For me it's more about sharing the many information, including the best insults to spread around about the ruling class, and networking, than changing peoples' minds.
If someone is being rude and I don't think they are in good faith, or a serious person, I just ignore them. I don't block or hit the ignore button, I just stop replying, usually don't even read them.
StupidBrotherInLaw@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1d
Before you get too invested, check this bloke's comment history. They're a troll, and a poor one at that.
undefined@lemmy.hogru.ch · 1 pts · 1d
Expressing my opinions means I’m a troll.
StupidBrotherInLaw@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1d
I'm not talking about you. I'm talking TO you about the person you're responding to.
whyderrito@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 0 pts · 1d
Zarobi@aussie.zone · 9 pts · 1d
You can't really "change someone's mind" unless they're receptive to it. Quite often you'll just end up in a situation where both parties are already hard set into their position; then they both enthusiastically repeat their best arguments and logic, while completely ignoring what the other person is saying. The hope is that there's a magic combination of words that will trigger the incantation that changes the opposition's mind. There usually isn't.
As a thought experiment, if you wouldn't be willing to "change teams" no matter what the other person says, they probably feel the same way towards you.
I have a family member who is an avid Pauline Hanson / Trump supporter; despite my reminders that those people hate me for who I am at a fundamental level and would see me suppressed, deported, begging on the streets, or worse. I'm "one of the good ones" you see, an exemption to patch over the cognitive dissonance. I would never support them, because it would be literal suicide to do so. I'm sure they have similarly strong opinions about my favourite progressive political parties.
That said, I don't have a good actual solution, and at least arguing about things raises visibility and could sway undecided third parties. But at a certain point it becomes too exhausting to continue arguing all the time.
whyderrito@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 1d
Kangae_Hishiryo@scribe.disroot.org · 1 pts · 1d
Yeah, but you can at least make other people less prone to fall for their bullshit
There are vulnerable people that might fall for their stupidity, so at least we must deny their nonsense so that fewer people fall for it.
AviAdi@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 1d
I just read up on Hansen and she is concerning. My argument is look at Trump: he hasn't done anything to trans people yet. The law still protects trans rights. Maybe that's why your family is not worried
snooggums@piefed.world · 4 pts · 1d
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_14183
Sure, he has been side tracked into other heinous shit since then but kicking them out of the military was one of the first things he did in office.
AviAdi@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 1d
If anything he is protecting trans if you think about it. What trans person wants to serve under Trump anyway? I wish I was exempt from the upcoming draft That's coming
surewhynotlem@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1d
You can't logic people out of opinions they didn't logic themselves into.
You have to scare them.
AviAdi@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1d
Then let's scare them
surewhynotlem@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1d
Exactly :-D
roserose56@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 1d
Only USA exist 101
sudoMakeUser@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 1d
Ah yes I forgot about the global election that's happening in 2024
AviAdi@lemmy.world · -5 pts · 1d
My friend, USA is the only place that truly matters. We are the greatest empire that have ever and will ever exist on this planet. Only with the grace of the USA, does any other country continue to exist. We have won so many world wars. We have proven to be the best and every other country just follows in our wake. So when elections happen in the USA, that's the elections everybody talks about throughout the whole world. When our trillionaires make decisions, the rest of the world listens. That's true power, that's something no other country will ever be able to experience.
OpenStars@discuss.online · 1 pts · 1d
Yet you left Reddit to come here.
Do you think Lemmy was made in America?
Please don't answer, it was just offered to spark your thinking.
Even though there is a point behind what you said there, behind THAT is an even bigger point: that pride comes before a fall.
Don't worry, you will come to understand... eventually, one way or another.
AviAdi@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 1d
Well reddit is too corporate now, I like this place. Without the USA lemmy wouldn't excist. Without the USA this whole computer thing wouldn't excist. You should be thankful that all this exists and was given to you for free. #thankanAmerican should be a thing really
OpenStars@discuss.online · 2 pts · 1d
I never said that people shouldn't be grateful for good things. I only said that the USA is not the literal exclusive nation in the entire world that had elections in 2024.
And you said that you like this place, so I am offering a correction here if you choose to accept it: we can leave Reddit behind, all of it.
I don't like what Reddit turned me into. Argumentative, combative even, ready to unleash upon anyone who dared respond with the slightest criticism. Did you know that Reddit designed their systems to promote such rage-baiting? You, like literally all of us here, feel into their trap. But you can breathe the free air now.
If you want.
SlurpingPus@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1d
Ah yes, the fascist country ruled by conmen and conspiracy theorists, where people struggle to pay rent, and avoid going to the doctor until it's an emergency. Where people sign up to kill Arabs, just so they escape poverty. Truly the best.
AviAdi@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 23h
Lol show me 1 country that is better 😂😂
OpenStars@discuss.online · 0 pts · 1d
"the" election - as if there was only a single one? Lemmy.World where your account is housed is not located in the USA (while I do not know about programming.dev).
Your argument would carry much more weight if you displayed the slightest sensitivity towards acknowledging that places outside of the USA so much as exist, and occasionally have elections.
W98BSoD@lemmy.dbzer0.com · -3 pts · 1d
Edit: Picture removed as the comment above mine was edited to make it no longer relevant.
lena@gregtech.eu · 7 pts · 1d
You can't "not play" politics. You may not want to fuck with politics, but politics will still be fucking you at the end of the day.
W98BSoD@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 1d
Agreed; I removed the picture because the person above me changed their text making me look like a moron.
lena@gregtech.eu · 1 pts · 1d
What did the comment say originally?
W98BSoD@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 1d
It was something about playing a game; hence the war games reference.
orca@orcas.enjoying.yachts · 31 pts · 1d
Debating with people in general is something I’ve found to be stupid and pointless as I’ve gotten older, even if they’re not trolls. I don’t even like watching videos of others debating. People come out the other end more entrenched than they were before. As for trolls, I don’t engage at all. My echo chamber is devoid of righties and nothing of value was lost.
TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 1d
debating people is great when they want to actually debate.
they don't thought, anymore. especially online. and on campuses, student activists try to shut down debates rather than attended them and learn something. one of my favorite part was attending lectures and debates and while some where shitty, i always learned something.
people don't believe in the principle of charity anymore either. you can't have debate or education without the principle of charity... otherwise it's just a trying to beat down the opposite side.
not to mention most popular 'debate' is not real debate, it's people being ignorant assholes and doubling-down on it and people viewing that as 'confidence' and 'victory'.
whyderrito@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 12 pts · 1d
Thank you! Discussing ideas is amazing, even with people who disagree with you.
It can help both sides learn so much and acquire perspective.
What people think debates are is shaped a lot by how youtube and politicians portray them (and of course, in that format, it's a fallacy free-for-all).
TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 1d
Yes, but for a lot of the users here, it makes you EVIL.
Like, I rented out a bedroom in my condo for a few years, according to the average lemmy poster this makes me as morally repugnant as a death camp administrator... when personally I wouldn't even consider myself a 'landlord'.
whyderrito@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 6 pts · 1d
Anybody can be a dipshit. It's important to know that anybody includes us too.
TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 1d
i've been told i'm a evil terrible dipshit since i was in kindergarten. Got sent to the principles office many times for asking too many questions even as a small child. my own parents would scream at me to stop asking questions and shut up and just repeat what the teacher told me and stop making them 'uncomfortable' by challenging their ignorance.
Most folks just want you to shut up and agree with them and tell them how genius they are, and how The Office is the BEST TELEVISION SHOW EVER MADE. The second you say you don't really like the Office you're a Terrible Person.
whyderrito@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 1d
What a shame.
I'm sorry you had to go through that.
TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 1d
it's not a shame. it's what got me into Harvard when everyone told me I would never be admitted and I should go dipshit state u like the rest of my peers. most of whom failed out of dipshit state u anyway.
OpenStars@discuss.online · -2 pts · 1d
There are people calling for your literal and actual death, for the crime of... having a bank account?
They want us all dead. Or rather, the civilization we are in, and aren't too particular about how many others need to die to make it happen.
This btw paves the way for all humanity to become "pure" communists - just exactly and precisely like North Korea, Russia, and China "are".
Once you realize that the principle I am speak of is identical to that of MAGA, using Alternative Facts but just swapping out the rhetoric to be on the left side, you will understand so much better, that you are never going to convince them of anything, bc their goal is not to be correct and instead to simply WIN.
orca@orcas.enjoying.yachts · 7 pts · 1d
I think debates about things in the science and similar subjects can be interesting. It has to be a scenario where everyone means well and is passionate about the subject matter. But if it’s some echo chamber right-wing “debate” where it’s a guy in a suit with a bunch of puppets nodding along, there’s no value to be had. I’ve had friends send me those Jubilee videos and I don’t want to watch those ever, regardless of their political leanings. Propaganda in the US has broken people though and they think everything should have some opportunity to one-up the perceived competition. That kind of thing is antithetical to progress and education, and is self-serving nonsense.
TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1d
cool, that's how I see pretty much all 'left-wing' debate too. Propaganda and insanity, with no basis in the complexities of the real world.
A huge chunk of 'progressives' are anti-progress and seem to believe resources are infinite and their theories are flawless and perfect... almost as if they are just as stupid and propagandized as the people they hate on the right...
I wanted to be an educator myself, professionally, but I left because I saw how delusional leftist it was becoming and how it was shooting itself in the foot, always focusing on feelings and praising ignorance as ideology rather than seeking knowledge and leaving the ideology outside of the classroom.
You can't have education and debate and knowledge if your priority is pushing ideology, the ideology is supposed to be subservient to those things, not the other way around. But that's not how people in educational spaces think anymore, many are just ideologues who want to push out anyone who isn't as extremist as they are. Whether it be on the right or the left.
orca@orcas.enjoying.yachts · 3 pts · 1d
No one is immune from propaganda, but I separate out progressive and leftist movements. Liberalism enables anti-progressive ideas, while identifying as the greater good. While leftist movements advocate for things like equal rights and breaking free from the chains of Zionist enablement. The problem I have with a lot of leftist echo chamber content is that it’s a lot of punching down at liberals that are often open to leftist ideas and movements, which is counterproductive to educating and welcoming them. Fred Hampton saw this and that’s why he was never hateful or inflammatory towards fellow working class people. He correctly identified that all working class are in the same boat, even if they’ve been divided up by differing propagandist camps.
TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world · -3 pts · 1d
your entire comment here is nothing but propaganda to me. I see a bunch of bullshit terms and name drops and nothing of substance other than rhetorical flourishes. word salad that sounds good but is information junk food.
orca@orcas.enjoying.yachts · 5 pts · 1d
That’s your take and that’s fine. But there’s educational takeaways from the actions of others. Hence the mention of Fred Hampton—a single name drop coupled with reasoning. If you think working towards a unified working class is “bullshit”, I don’t really have anything else to contribute. Take it or leave it, I don’t really care. I’d say I sound less propagandist than some folks do that swallow communism/socialism and its figures wholesale without having an original interpretation or nuance.
TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 1d
where is this 'unified working class' my friend?
would you care to define it with specific numbers?
because where i live multi-millionaires from generations of inherited wealth think they are 'working class'
Smoogs@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 1d
meanwhile the righties have also built their echo chamber devoid of uncomfortable discussions also. and the polarization continues to get deeper, dehumanization of 'the others' and wars become a common idea.
orca@orcas.enjoying.yachts · 8 pts · 1d
Those groups are filled with anti-trans, pro-corporate nonsense. I don’t even know what the point is, other than to make themselves feel bigger when the reality is that they’re just scared. It’s an echo chamber permeated with billionaire-funded viewpoints. No original thought, while also needing someone to punch down at every time.
whyderrito@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 1d
Redditmodstouchgrass@lemmy.zip · 7 pts · 1d
People never engage in honest discussions, man. They just vomit word salad and claim you're stupid if you can't find the argument in the haystack.
rumba@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 1d
Reddit was horrible for that. I think there's less trolling here, but still the occasional mental issue.
Some people are just passionate. Some people will write a manifesto in response to one line of text and dictate what you meant by it.
🎵 Gotta know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em 🎶
whyderrito@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 1d
People do that? Weird, then I musta been talking to aliens then.
TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1d
They used to. Back in ye olden days.
It does happen here on occasion. I've witnessed it.
Of course... the mods usually ban people for having honest discussions because it makes other users uncomfortable. The word-salad users don't like honest discussion because it is scary to them and hurts them. So it must be banned, because anything that isn't their own bullshit is evil and horrible.
o0evillusion0o@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 1d
You're completely wrong about your opinion.
Sly2@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 1d
If you block everything you don't like, you end up in an echo chamber with no possibility of new perspective. Learning and Insight require thesis and antithesis. If there's anything you should block, it's rude, agitating, insulting rageladen discussions or users. Those also hinder Insight and new perspectives.
MrGeneric@lemmy.today · 12 pts · 1d
I agree, but with so many bots around I think there has been a concerted effort to obfuscate the truth, so it’s a balance for sure
Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz · 12 pts · 1d
If you find an unlabeled bot, most admins will ban them.
So far every time I've seen someone claim Lemmy is full of bots, they haven't been able to identify 1 unlabled bot.
And its not even hard, there are users that AI slop in arguments, so I think its literally just people wanting an excuse to dismiss viewpoints they don't like.
MrGeneric@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 20h
I was talking about the internet as a whole, I don’t know the specific security or botness of Lemmy, I’ve not found one so far as far as I can tell. Most users Ive seen have pretty long histories with varying opinions.
anarchy79@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1d
Confirmed bot.
Blocked.
MrGeneric@lemmy.today · 4 pts · 1d
Who is a confirmed bot? Me? What would I say to show Im not a bot? We all use VPNs. Do typos prove you aren’t a bot? Ask me to bake a cake or something.
binarytobis@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1d
Reminds me of that Talos Principle log.
Tja@programming.dev · 1 pts · 1d
Ok. Bake a chocolate cake with cherry glazing. Send it to my address in less than 5 business days or you will be forever labeled as a bot.
MrGeneric@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 20h
If I knew your address I think that would be more bot like
Tja@programming.dev · 2 pts · 20h
As long as I get cake, I don't care!
SlurpingPus@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 1d
I block US politics because it's same whining every day, that by and large has nothing to do with me. Even though I'd like to learn occasionally what new entertaining stuff the pedofascist came up with, I don't think I'm missing much, and I'm getting closer to the last frame from the OP.
TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 21h
half the comments in this thread are straight up hypocrisy, which is a great way to see who to block.
arotrios@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 2d
I prefer a more direct approach...
abc@suppo.fi · 14 pts · 1d
Month of blocking people daily and even Lemmy starts to look like an ok place.
TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 1d
the problem is the problematic people are so insanely prolific. they also have multiple accounts on multiple instances, unlike normies who have one on one instance.
i was browsing lemmy logged out this morning and vs logging in it's like night and day. mostly because of a dozen or so power users who just spam every community incessantly with their rage-bait agendas. and a few of which go into the comments are try to silence any dissenter, skepticism, or disagreement by labeling such comments as an -ism.
realitaetsverlust@piefed.zip · 2 pts · 1d
I probably can't even begin to understand how sad of a life some of the people on this platform must have to put that much effort into their online "activism".
TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 21h
they are the type of people on your HOA board. they are everywhere.
they simple think they are right, and everyone else is wrong and stupid.
UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 1d
I have multiple accounts on other instances but I dont use the old ones. I had to window shop for a good instance.
anarchy79@lemmy.world · -3 pts · 1d
Me, an intellectual:
"normal people have ONE account"
sudoMakeUser@sh.itjust.works · 13 pts · 1d
Takes a lot to block all the idiots on Lemmy. After a few months it starts to become a usable platform.
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 1d
sitting at 468 users on my list right now.
I don't know what the upper limit is, but by god I'll find out.
MehBlah@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 1d
What is really funny is that the person who commented on this is blocked by me.
Edit: Either the blocked account or someone else who is blocked by me commented. This is just too good. If a comment can't be read does it even exist?
HCSOThrowaway@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 1d
Blocking people is fine. Caressing your nipples because you blocked them is... less fine.
MehBlah@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 1d
I'm not doing that. I just find it funny that in a post about blocking that the top post has someone who I blocked under it. Most people I block never know it. I guess this person does now and had some kind of opinion about it. As long as they don't inflict it on me.
HCSOThrowaway@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1d
Okay, but you do see the difference between finding it funny and telling everyone about it, right?
MehBlah@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 1d
A few people thought it was funny and one for sure doesn't. I can live with that. Goodbye.
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1d
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1d
edit: "I blocked this user but I'm still completely infatuated with them to the point that I check to make sure they are indeed commenting about me."
binarytobis@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1d
I haven’t blocked that many people, but I’ve also blocked whoever the other commenter is. That likely means they are an obvious troll, if they made my meager list. It looks like they also replied to you, which is pretty funny.
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1d
keep going! I'm almost there!
HCSOThrowaway@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 1d
Meh. I've learned some interesting things from some people I found a bit annoying.
It's how I've come from card-carrying Republican to more or less fitting the label "progressive."
starelfsc2@sh.itjust.works · 9 pts · 1d
I think this is for people who are less "annoying" and more "actively lying and being bad faith." If someone says the elections were stolen, vaccines cause autism, and liberals hate America, I have other things I would rather do than investigate every one of the infinite conspiracy theories that I already know many others have debunked. It's essentially an exercise in bad faith rhetoric at that point, which is just so incredibly boring. I'll look into a few to see the patterns of how they lie, and then I'm good.
Tja@programming.dev · 4 pts · 1d
That's a very heavy lifting interpretation of the comic. It literally says "I don't like this thing". Not "this person is arguing in bad faith". This is how echo chambers form, and lemmy is a textbook example of one.
starelfsc2@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 23h
Well maybe bad faith wasn't the right term, I think for me it's just that if someone disagrees with me, my response is almost never even close to "I don't like this," unless they're being hateful, unreasonably rude, saying proven false conspiracies, etc. Most of the time it's "oh I think they don't realize or haven't considered xyz" and most of the time either they didn't know or they correct me on something.
For things I would block, if a racist maga person comes in and says something, I gain absolutely nothing from hearing how climate change is fake, how libs are the real racists, how we hate trump for no reason. It's just negativity conspiracy brainrot and it's a huge waste of my time. Same for posts about what random out of touch billionaire #45 said, same for people generally being mean or super negative towards others, that's what I actually don't like and am happier having blocked it to never see again.
brucethemoose@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 1d
Hence:
https://www.wcnc.com/article/news/nation-world/x-block-changes-twitter/507-931ed7fc-cacd-4550-b850-b5d235533227
https://www.reddit.com/r/facebook/comments/1ps4r5d/heres_a_fun_new_one_no_longer_able_to_block/
https://www.reddit.com/r/self/comments/1st24au/reddits_new_block_feature_is_bizarrely_antisocial/
Blocking someone reduces ragebait engagement, and they can't have that, I guess...
MousePotatoDoesStuff@piefed.social · 8 pts · 1d
"for the love of god get off twitter" - Sonic The Hedgehog
anzo@programming.dev · 7 pts · 1d
yeah, and actually all those platforms have been shown on different opportunities to have a bot problem and it's still unaddressed because it's basically a conflict of interests to them (numbers go up : stakeholders go happy.) That's basically how I've been drown to Lemmy (and before, other 'niche' forums, irc channels, etc.)
Cleisthenian@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 1d
The fact that these platforms are trying to remove the block button is, to my mind, the strongest argument in favor of using it. These platforms are often mentally corrosive and will do everything in their power to ensure that you stay addicted, outraged, and idle. If you're busy debating reactionary idiots, who these days might not even be real people, then that is sapping your mental energy away from more productive efforts in your party/union.
anarchy79@lemmy.world · -3 pts · 1d
Maybe you are just afraid to have your preconceptions challenged and are here for a quick ego fix. Which is cool and all, we all doomscroll, we need that dopamine, but I don't believe that is the purpose of a forum like this. Tik Tok might be a better match.
LovableSidekick@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1d
You can always "block" (i.e. not use) forums and platforms that don't work the way you like.
5318008@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 1d
Sure, until next place changes their block function as well. Changing the rules to something that is objectively less safe is a bad thing, even if people are free to leave.
Edit for clarity.
LovableSidekick@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1d
I agree, but my reaction would be to leave, not suffer through it.
UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 1d
I can't read your reddit thread without logging in, which will never happen.
anarchy79@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 1d
The first, most central and foundational principle of international diplomacy and conflict resolution is that you must always afford both sides a voice. If you don't, there can be no communication, no progress, no way forward but conflict.
Take a moment and try to feel what you feel when someone ignores you, as if you were thin air. Does that emotion lead somewhere good?
Mulligrubs@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 1d
I've never blocked a single person and I am old.
I don't get the need. I just ignore them, and remove the "blocking" extra step. If some random Trumpy is super mad and messaging me often, it pleases me. I've got some guy on FB that has been messaging me for years, he's like my best friend now.
TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1d
I get the need, because I've been threatened, harassed, and had insane internet psychos call my workplace or home.
and easiest way to prevent that is to block them before they can escalate to that point.
anarchy79@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 1d
That's why I block everyone. I don't even know what you just said. I blocked you before I read it because who knows where it might escalate.
kolmaskommentoija@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 1d
I read a lot of comments, and unless I block a lot of people, it is just not worth the engagement. There is only so much transphobia and pro-genocide propaganda I can take per day, even if I skip reading past the first few words.
kolmaskommentoija@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 1d
Also, if any actual person reading this, is considering themselves a tankie, and does not support genocide, please, this random internet stranger pleads, to reconsider your position. You are hanging at the table with nazis, in that metaphora: trusting Chinese or Russian state sponsored sources, on genocide of their ethnic minorities, is the same thing, as trusting what Israel says about Gaza.
YeahIgotskills2@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1d
Yeah, never do it on actual social media, but around these part it's occasionally useful.
anarchy79@lemmy.world · -4 pts · 1d
When I want to solve a conflict, I just close my eyes and pretend that everything is fine so I don't have to defend my beliefs.
Warl0k3@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1d
This is a tedious novelty account, yeesh.
Smoogs@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 1d
Careful. Thats how echo chambres happen. Disagreeing can be uncomfortable and people might not like that feeling especially around facing and understanding bigotry. even more so if they havent learned to disagree amicably. Which youre not going to learn in flowers and meadows.
A healthy life is a reflected life. a healthy mind is an examined mind. playing only to a comfort level isnt exactly seeking growth.
i know a tonne of white ppl who you cant even fathom discussion around racism let alone politics without them going 'youre bumming me out. why cant we only speak about flowers and meadows'
which is privilege pushed by spoilt racist people who call themselves 'blessed' for being white and never having to experience such things and love waving that comfort bubble in everyone's less privileged face.
rumba@lemmy.zip · 21 pts · 1d
Are they arguing in good faith?
Are they willing to give and take?
Is this a simple difference of perspective, or a moral line in the sand?
Are you ready to change your mind on the outcome of the conversation?
It's better to block than to scream into the void
Smoogs@lemmy.world · -4 pts · 1d
This assumes everyone works with the same healthy boundaries to know when they are reasonable.
Pnt 4 there: disagreements and differences happen and should be allowed to happen.
A person who is in a toxic state knows how to distort those points in order to vilify anything and anyone as if it's 'toxic'. This is exactly how the right vilify anyone who doesn't look like them. All justified for 'feeling safe' in order to escape discomfort.
SarahValentine@pawb.social · 8 pts · 1d
No, it holds everyone to that same standard and if they don't meet that standard, they get blocked.
Smoogs@lemmy.world · -4 pts · 1d
That thinking right there is how the right ended up in their own indifferent manosphere echo chamber vilifying everyone who makes them feel mildly uncomfortable.
SarahValentine@pawb.social · 3 pts · 1d
Uh no, they wound up like that by having double standards.
Smoogs@lemmy.world · -4 pts · 1d
Right because only the right could possibly act on double standards.
SarahValentine@pawb.social · 2 pts · 1d
I see logic isn't in your repertoire. Byebye.
gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 9 pts · 2d
Image source btw?
Edit: I found it on a reverse image search https://x.com/cuptoast/status/1887605740241887352
A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip · 8 pts · 1d
What I hate: when the software leaves a placeholder for blocked users' content.
What I love: when they completely disappear. I might miss people's replies to the blocked user though.
Long story short, I don't block all users I find deliberately ignorant or hateful, only those that somehow manage to get through my defenses and trigger me to the point of obsession, for no good reason.
diaphragmwp@discuss.tchncs.de · 6 pts · 1d
I feel like it's useful to have choices here. Like a "<-- you said this guy sucks" label separate from "hide" (placeholders), "ignore" (no placeholder when 0 replies) and "block" (no placeholder at all).
snooggums@piefed.world · 4 pts · 1d
On piefed I use emojis to tag dumbasses to remind myself not to engage with their stupidity instead of blocking most of the time. That way I can skim their bullshit and still get to see the rest of the comment chain.
Also a few of the worst posters start quality posts and are just morons in the comments, so that way I still get to see their posts.
For example, this is my reminder that this user is a dumbshit:
I do have quite a few people on the block list too, which is for when their behavior approaches the level of harassment or they are so completely terrible that they aren't even worth laughing at.
rumba@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 1d
Yeah, there's someone that I blocked two years ago, I keep seeing empty replies to my comments. I logged out to check a while back and they're still at it just less occasionally.
NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 1d
I like how many people interpret this as hiding from literally every problem that exists as opposed to not dealing with trolls or comics you don’t like.
Context is a thing, you don’t have to apply everything as a universalism. That’s kind of a stupid thing to do.
captcha_incorrect@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 1d
*blocked* /s
UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 1d
Do you read every piece of junk mail you recieve? Do you read every spam email? No, its stupid as you say.
Phantom_Feline17@lemmy.zip · 7 pts · 1d
Let no one tell you that blocking people means that you lost some arbitrary debate with some idiot online. I have proudly blocked my fair share of idiots and racists on all social media platforms (not before insulting them of course).
PhoenixDog@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 1d
Any argument I've ever had online amounted to little in not nothing productive. If you think me blocking someone means I lost an arbitrary argument with a stranger online, you can think that all you want, I'm moving onto something else with my time.
Phantom_Feline17@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 21h
Bingo. Honestly, i block people because i have better things to do than debate with morons.
LovableSidekick@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 1d
I'm a devoted user of blocking. Happy to converse with people who take issue with my comments, but if they shift into angry insult mode, or all they're doing is arguing against their own weird extrapolations of something, that's when they get blocked. There are plenty of people in the world who are able to act civil when they don't agree with somebody. There's really no need to bother with the ones who can't.
Soggy@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1d
Same. I've blocked ~75 users so far. I've had more than enough of bad-faith arguments and concern trolls in my life, shaving away the worst offenders doesn't magically turn my experience into an echo chamber.
Canconda@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 1d
Every time I use incognito window to see a reply from someone I've blocked (cuz old.lemmy does this thing where you can't see any replies under you if someone you blocked replied as well), they confirm I was correct in blocking them.
mschae@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 1d
Do you mean it doesn't show replies from blocked users (which would be correct), or that you can't see replies to your comment if there's a sibling comment from a blocked user? I'm slightly confused 😅
But in general, if you find any odd behaviour or bugs in mlmym or if you have feature requests, feel free to send them to #mlmym:mschae23.de, !mlmym@lemmy.world, or mlmym@lists.mschae23.de, whichever you prefer :)
Canconda@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 21h
This. If I want to reply I need to expand in incognito to grab the permalink.
UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 1d
old.lemmy doesn't work for me, can you give me a link I am curious.
Canconda@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 21h
I don't think I can.
When someone ive blocked replies to me I see that "continue comments" link, which opens to nothing regardless if there are sibling comments from unblocked users.
anarchy79@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 1d
What the fuck did you just say to me kiddo? I will have you know I have over 300 confirmed blocks.
Impractical_Island@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 1d
This is likewise how you cater your feed to be super comfortable so you see the same shit over and over and never grow or develop, and develop a rather strong intolerance of opinions other than your own.
kestrel7_7@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1d
Controversial opinion but seeing people repost the same tired ass arguments that we all get from the media actually isn’t that helpful to anything.
Put another way, I already have to tolerate people who disagree with me all day every day at work and in daily life and so on. If I want to learn something I’ll go read an actual book on the subject. Subjecting myself to online shitposting may not be as helpful.
There is nothing intellectually stunting about seeking community with people who are less argumentative, just like there is nothing enlightening about arguing with people who are posting in bad faith.
Impractical_Island@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 16h
I think there is a time to build up and a time to tear down. True growth only happens when you are outside your comfort zone, but it is perfectly fine and dandy to want to have control over that. At the least, there needs to be a passive force within the system to entice people into growth that can be stepped away from or engaged for general positive growth. There needs to be beneficial governors of men (people).
SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 1d
I’ve blocked a shit ton of people here. I don’t care about open discussion when people are not interested in discussing in good faith in the first place. Also it’s just Lemmy I’m here for entertainment I don’t care about your whack ass opinion. The real discussions are done IRL face to face where people can’t hide behind an username. It’s not like the opinion of a permanently online basement dweller on the other side of the planet is important for the development of my world view when they don’t know anything about my country.
Phantom_Feline17@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 1d
I've stopped engaging with most people online because im sure 99% of users are just bots.
UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 1d
You're just jealous of my basement.
SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1d
Yes I am.
anarchy79@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 1d
umbrella@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 1d
anarchy79@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 1d
THANK you.
UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 1d
Dont you think this is way easier then continously posting bi-weekly+ cringe feudposts in hopes to influence your particular lemmy instance admins to defederate people you dont like. Not just for you, but for everyone else.
Way faster to just block the person/instance yourself and let the other adults pick what they view themselves. Way easier. Way less cringe.
I am happy you are taking agency in what you view on the internet stranger. We are stronger federated together, even if we wish to live our lives in different ways.
Peace.
AlteredEgo@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 1d
Divide and conquer
FishFace@piefed.social · 2 pts · 1d
I've been doing that more after joining the Fediverse but there are a handful of exceptions. One is an absolute nutter who spreads disinformation like it's butter, and I can't bring myself to block him because while I'll never be able to make him stop, at least I can advise others that a) it is false information and b) he is immune to evidence. (It's an unusual situation where what he says is pretty easy to refute). So I can also help people not to waste their time talking to him (or at least to go in forearmed)
anzo@programming.dev · 2 pts · 1d
Consider reporting too! Community and instance admins alike may act on such cases with a permaban
FishFace@piefed.social · 1 pts · 1d
With that one I have reported them but I don't think anything happened. I don't remember to which instance the report went though now
anarchy79@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 1d
Trust me bro, if you just ignore them, then the problem will solve itself, just like real problems do, and you will be able to sleep better at night. Ain't that something?
FishFace@piefed.social · 3 pts · 1d
Hmmm.
anarchy79@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1d
gooballer@lemmy.today · 3 pts · 1d
looks like you left something
Sly2@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 20h
I wish this would work, but unfortunately even if you try and block for example news, us politics or the middle east content, agitating posts creep into other communities all the time. Even if you search for anything on lemmy you can bet sth agitating about the classic rage inducing topics pop up.
TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 19h
yep. you can block individual things, but you can't block all content, and people love shoving controversial content onto everything.
even in my own offline hobbies... in online spaces lots of folks grandstand over social/political issues in the hobby and try to make people 'pick sides' so they can call them names. today i saw a post to a FB group I used for local events... demanding everyone boycott this company... that nobody uses anyway and isn't even related to the hobby in question... it's insane. and if you remove the post they cry foul and you are trying to 'silence' them and you're on the 'bad side' of the issue.
and face it, the vibe of lemmy has changed substantially over the past few years, and it's way more full of controversy-seeking nutjobs than it was 2-3 years ago. making any most with subtley and nuace on any issue here just gets you harassed and labeled and attacked, because dumbasses can't see things as more complex than absolutely good/right, or absolutely evil/wrong.
Keyboard@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 21h
This is so me 😢
whereitsat@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 1d
that's just the entirety of the visible internet nowadays. and it's a dumb take. being exposed to what makes you uncomfortable hardens you.
people act like seeing a contrary opinion is like being abused as a child. it isn't.
i'd love to live in the shoes of all the oversensitive, privileged nerds who post on these sites.
TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1d
This is educational policy in many places... that's what's terrifying. Students/parents were getting teachers fired over hearing things they didn't like.
I wanted to go into education in 2010 or so... but started seeing this was where education was going... and decided to not waste my efforts on it. And yeah all the people making those decisions... were the type of people whose parents paid for their graduate school... and bought them condos... etc. Folks who didn't live in the real world and though the real world should never be acknowledged because it made them feel bad about themselves and we must never allow anyone to ever feel bad!
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1d
anzo@programming.dev · 0 pts · 1d
the only one drawing that comparison to child abuse is you. I have to disagree... complete different things. PS: Blocked /s (not really)
GenLe@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 12h
But that's no fun. I would rather fight them.
Smaile@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 20h
We made this rule no. 1 for a reason people
OozingPositron@feddit.cl · 0 pts · 1d
Never have I blocked someone and never will I.
abfarid@startrek.website · 0 pts · 2d
Blocking things based solely on not liking them is a terrible reason.
Hond@piefed.social · 9 pts · 1d
Maybe, but i dont care anymore.
The internet got so ass overall. There is so much noise. There are just a few tolerable places left. I wont waste my precious time with shit i dont like or even worse which makes me angry. The internet supposed to be my distraction from how shitty my job is and my frustrations with all the idiots i have to encounter on a daily basis. Without block/allow lists this just isnt possible for me anymore for years.
And yeah sometimes its nothing big or important. I dont like the anime community in the internet at large. No special reason. I just dont like them. So i blocked everything i could so that stuff just never appears on my feed. Even though i enjoy a little anime in my live. As in japanese animated cartoons. Theres good stuff. But tbh it isnt even just anime. I pretty much stopped interacting with any specific fandom. And if i'm starting to see too many rick and morty, star wars, trek[...] whatever memes i'm going to block them as well. Its my feed.
IMHO thats way more valid than having some shitty engagement algo dictate what i see. I preselected my content already by beeing on the fediverse and then i've chosen my subs for communities. Thats already a big/tiny(?) ass echo chamber. Why not block shit i just dont like?
SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org · 8 pts · 1d
I'm also blocking ads because I don't like them. This has worked out great for me so far.
phonics@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 1d
What if it was where you come to unwind and giggle?
whyderrito@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 1d
echo chambers are like feedback loops FUN! but watch the feedback or you will leave with bleeding ears
852005949@sopuli.xyz · -1 pts · 1d
Johanno@feddit.org · 1 pts · 1d
I like Kamasutra more.
But you have fun in your country.
1985MustangCobra@lemmy.ca · -5 pts · 1d
but someone told me blocking people is against free speech?
LovableSidekick@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1d
No, blocking confirms freedom to ignore.