Happier to use spices on tofu, beans, soy curls, and even sometimes the dreaded processed plant-based mock-meats (when they go on sale).

I follow some of those people.

What I learned is you shouldn't do it. Do you know what happens to your poop when you take out fiber from your diet? It just leaks out.

Others claim extreme constipation like 3 days. I don't know if I believe that.

Damn, touche.

how desirable or perceptibly necessary meat really

Oh boy.

Every damn study we have, plus at least 800.000 years of human evolution cooking over fire:

• we should eat everything in moderation, balanced diet is a varied diet.

That concludes any and all ted talks on should we eat animal products for health.

Now, the question then is: okay, then how much meat should I eat: about 300 gram* once or twice a week seems like the sweet spot. A little more if recovering from injuries. A little more if you're growing up. A little more in old age if you notice you're losing weight.

Source: idk, all the damn studies we make on large populations, e.g. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2803089/

(*) Varied meat. Includes offal. White and red.

Oh , I buy this, to some extent. As an omnivore…. I’ll never give up eating meat, but I do love some meals that are “accidentally” vegetarian.

Hot take on Indian food: one of the world’s greatest cuisines but when I visited, I found so many restaurants deprioritized even chicken so much that it was just not worth it. Enjoy the meals, enjoy what they do well without trying to push different preferences

What about beans?

As a kid I used to eat handfuls of salt, probably lucky I didn't die of sodium poisoning.

I marinate cheap flat iron cuts in a mix of ginger, garlic, soy sauce, vinegar, olive oil, and a tiny bit of toasted sesame oil. Better than anything I've gotten for a premium at a restaurant.

I'm very specifically not getting into this argument. Everything you just said is completely right.

All I'm saying is this particular argument about taste and flavors is the worst possible one to make because it's demonstrably illogical.

I mean if you stuff your mouth with 30 kgs of carrots you will die. Sounds toxic to me :D

Well many plants don't want to be eaten or just by specific animals so they have stuff like gluten that is actually a feeding deterrent. Most allergies come from these feeding deterrents. So well yes most plants are toxic we have just learned to eat them - mostly.

Isn't there at least one person for ANY kind of bullshit? Also, the father of medicine said once: "everything is lethal, the dosage is what matters" 😁

Everything is toxic to humans at high enough dose

Sure, but that's wrong and used for convenience because the terminology got muddled early on. That was the original definition (i.e., no eating animal products), but the Vegan Society who created the term changed it not long after (in the 1940s?) to include avoiding exploitation generally "as far as is possible and practicable". That's because veganism is an ethical movement that sees this exploitation as fundamentally wrong. There's still a note about this original definition at the end, of course, because a dietary term is largely how it exists in the minds of non-vegans.

What you're referring to is a plant-based diet(er) (or "strict plant-based diet" if you want to be really clear and beat marketing buzz). Calling a vegan "someone who eats meat no more often than a month" in the sense of how vegans use the term would be like defining someone who's anti-dog-abuse as someone who kicks their dog at most once a month.

(Edit: Notably, "vegan diet" is used among vegans, but because it's a diet that comes as a consequence of being vegan, not because following it makes you vegan.)

TL;DR: That's a definition used mainly among non-vegans.

I have! I like the MorningStar Farms ones with some sweet and sour sauce.

Truuue, fast food chicken is fake as fuck anyway, it has already been properly imitated.

Even better, when I feel as a lazy fuck I throw the nuggets to the microwave for 30s and eat them with ketchup. They aren't "raw" so it's safe to do so, suck it meat tendies you can't compete.

Extreme? He's fucking nuts. His alts are nuts too, you can see him patting himself on the back in his stupid fucking communities

I do that myself on occasion, but I seldom boil much stuff. A lil beef or chicken stock is good in mashed potatoes or in rice, but most of the time , unless I'm making a soup I use powdered bullion. It tastes better. Not even just my opinion. Blind taste tests always have most people prefer the "fake" stuff.

Chef John from foodwishes is awesome!

I have not, but I'm intrigued.

"But look at these AI generated fat people eating chips, which is made out of potatoes, therefore it's vegan!" - many of the carnivore diet grifters

🤣

I didn't know that being British was a disability. my apologies all you poor British blokes...

Did I use Blokes correctly? I'm sadly American abd can only understand American, Queens, Bronx, Pittsburghese, and strangely enough Mole (if you get the redwall reference).

Oh, I learned something new. I hadn't heard that one yet.

And vegans need to stop calling people who consume meat "meat eaters." I have no problem with a salad and some veggies BECAUSE I'M AN OMNIVORE. (as are all you vegans because you are human and that's LITERALLY what we are).

We didn't become the dominant species on this planet by hunting carrots. We are predators. Get over yourself.

Yeah basically.

I always knew that it was the flavoring I enjoyed, which came from the spices. Not judging anyone that does miss meat or other animal products, but for the most part I'm rather unbothered.

And obviously I believe in the cause, I'm not just doing it because I can.

It was a serious question. Thank you for providing a serious answer.

I don't miss meat anymore because for many categories, alternatives have gotten good enough that eating them instead of real meat isn't really a sacrifice for me, just a different version and maybe a brief period of getting used to it. I'm quite content with vegan chicken stuff and burgers and sausages for example, if the product is well made. Even some cheaper ones have improved a lot. Guess I'm lucky that I never was much into steaks and cheese.

The thing I do miss is being able to go into any restaurant without worrying if they even have vegan options. This might be a big reason why people don't go vegan. But trying to eat plant-based if practical while making some exceptions would already be awesome. Even just asking for vegan options if there are none would help a lot if enough people did it.

I know vegans who dont hide that they do really miss meat. I imagine even those that don’t would appreciate having alternatives that turn more people away from the real thing.

After 10 years I'm not sure anymore if I'll eat cell culture meat, because eating real meat is just kinda strange/disgusting to me by now. But I'd be really happy if it became available for the people who do want to eat real meat.

no one supports cruelty

Oh. Good joke.

That goes for vegetables too..

You're both going to massive extremes.

Some meats when prepared well benefit from minimal seasoning. Beef when cooked well doesn't need more than salt, but some pepper and butter basting also brings the flavor forward.
If you need steak sauce, ketchup or anything like that it's a sign you've likely not cooked it the best.

Chicken however just doesn't have as much to it, so you'll hit a flavor ceiling a bit faster.

It's not classism, it's fat content and connective tissue. Less fat and there's less potential "unseasoned yum". More connective tissue and you need to cook it longer to make it not a chewy horror, which makes the fat come out.

High quality cuts of meat require less seasoning because we define meat quality by the factors that make it more palatable without seasoning.

It's not about not seasoning food, it's about seasoning it correctly for what you have. Big hunk of fatty meat with connective tissue? Perfect for stew because it sits in it's own fat, and cooking for a long time in water turns the connective tissue into gelatin.

I don't like meat substitutes because they're never even comparable.
I love plenty of foods that aren't meat, but the moment you try to replace meat you're destined to fail.

Best veggie burger I've ever had didn't even try to be beef. Did nice things with texture that were totally unmeat like. Closer to a Japanese croquette, but more beans.
Some of the worst have been the most similar. Tvp with ground mushrooms for umami and such.

Foods should be cooked in the ways that best show them off, not in ways that invite a comparison to a different food.
It's like trying to use meat to make a banana free banana bread. Just... Don't.

I had an A5 (in the US though). Tasted nothing like people told me it would. But it was absolutely amazing. Never had anything that good. But cheaper steak with some seasoning was decently close.