Seems considerate? "We didn't want to annoy you with photos of something you despise so we created a separate channel to do just that but nothing else."
I had a friend tell me her strategy on unsolicited dick picks was to respond with pictures of other dicks in shoes. Often coupled with comments akin to 'you couldn't pull off these stilettos, but maybe you could try a kitten heel.'
Do you really expect anything less from an anonymous public message board? It's practically a Law of the Internet that invoking any version of the words "vegan" or "vegetarian" is bound to spark outrage from one side or the other.
I think it's because many Vegans perceive Vegetarians as going half the way and then stopping dead.
From a vegan perspective meat eaters are doing something morally wrong. But many have grown up that way and are conditioned into normalizing meat consumption. Many haven't questioned it ever, or reflexively defend it, because it is perceived as normal.
Vegetarians on the other hand seem to understand the problem of animals suffering. Many of them made an ethical decision not to eat meat... and then continue to contribute to animal suffering by consuming other animal products. Understanding that murder is bad and then deciding to commit it just a bit less directly, is a position many Vegans take as deeply harmful.
Personally i am grateful for every single animal saved. Reducing meat or going vegetarian are steps in a direcion i see as good and positive. In my ideal world we would all be Vegans, but i am grateful for every little step in that direction.
Even just reducing our global meat consumption would make me so happy. Let it's insane to me that there is what amounts to my eyes as a wall of tortured flesh in every grocery store, and my tofus and veggie dogs take up like half of two shelves next to the fresh vegetables.
I can't wrap my head around eating meat every day, but there are people who eat meat at every meal.
Not quite. Vegans don't eat any animal products of any kind. Vegetarians don't eat products that necessitate killing an animal to produce, but allow others. Note that these other products are usually from animals that will be killed for food, and that the animals that won't be murdered still also suffer.
An extended family group chat that was 99% baby photos until one person posted photos of their kids at a protest this weekend and then the chuddy trad-wife sov-cits in the family threw a fit.
They all left the chat and said they'll only be reachable on Facebook.
Rich high school friend shared a newspaper clipping with us (in the high school group) in which he was featured. Apparently he had a car accident with a girl in the seat next to him, and had suffered mentally for it over the guilt of crippling the girl. The initial reaction of the group was "ohh, so sorry you had to go through that".
Later, once it sunk in that a) why was this featured in the newspaper at all, and b) his family is very rich, I think we all came to the understanding that he had basically crippled a girl with his reckless driving, could not fix the problem with money, and so in order to help mitigate against a future court case or to discredit the girl, his family paid for a sob piece in the press.
He was your typical rich kid: fast car, no consequences, if someone comes up with a joke he will steal it and claim it as his own. Shit eating grin, until you have nothing you can offer him so he goes and talks to someone else.
Dude /Dudette, what's wrong with you? We aren't here on xitter, where you get to dunk on others for some internet points. I know everybody has a bad day, but please act civilized and have a little dececy. It's not that difficult and you'll get your point accross easier if you don't go fronting people 24/7.
I see a total of two shitheads commenting live bait and for every one of those, at least three people are shitting on them when they could've just downvoted and moved on.
If your point is "who's starting it" rather than who's fueling it, it's disingenuous and overly generous.
Honestly that seems pretty thoughtful of them. Most people I know would give zero shits and just post all that on a chat with vegans and vegetarians. Some of them going out of their way to post them on that chat specifically.
Gone vegetarian 5 years ago just before the pandemic hit. I've never had any real issues so far and my friend group has mostly switched to vegetarian meals when I'm present. Not because anyone forced them, but because it's a lot easier and there's so much awesome vegetarian food nowadays.
And when we barbecue, everyone brings their own stuff anyway. So that's a non issue as well (I don't care about cross contamination at all)
I don't think I could go full vegan, but in all honesty, I save enough money from not buying meat that I can buy all of my milk and cheese organic and that got rid of pretty much every last one of my moral qualms.
::: spoiler spoiler
Queue militant vegans telling me how awful even organic dairy is in 3, 2, 1...
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Not a vegan, but organic is really a marketing term more than anything, at least in the US. Organic farming isn't necessarily a more environmentally safe alternative to normal farming, especially since "organic" pesticides tend to also cause local environmental damage.
This is confusing for me. When I was growing up, it was in the aftermath of DDT and all that shit. Organic was what decent people started using to indicate that no awful pesticides like that were used. It wasn’t supposed to be marketing.
I don't know and don't care about the US, but at least in the EU this statement is false. The EU-BIO- Label doesn't regulate as much as it could, but it does regulate a lot more than just "no pesticides".
There is a strong anti-organic community that will say this. There is a clear indication of what organic means on the website. It is not perfect, but waaaay better.
If you became a vegetarian for ethical reasons, then buying organic milk doesn't solve any of the moral qualms connected to the dairy industry. The cow still gets (forcefully) impregnated, her calf still gets taken from her shortly after birth and both of them get killed once they are no longer economically viable.
I became a vegetarian for environmental reasons and I do think all animals deserve a dignified existance, but my criteria for that is obviously very different from yours.
Still though, it never ceases to amuse me how that forceful impregnation BS is still floating around with people who've never encountered a live animal in their entire life. How about you try getting a male and female pet and do a little study on how small the intervals in between litters really are.
Still though, it never ceases to amuse me how that forceful impregnation BS is still floating around
Are you saying cows are not impregnated forcefully? Because artificial impregnation is used regularly by dairy farmers. Even when not, the time of impregnation, either by natural methods or artificially, is carefully selected with best milk production in mind.
How about you try getting a male and female pet and do a little study on how small the intervals in between litters really are
For cows it's usually a dry period of 60 days, before they are impregnated again.
I'm not even sure what point you are trying to make here. Are you implying that wild cows would also be pregnatant as much as possible?
I'd be interested in what your criteria for a dignified existence are. For example, what is your stance on the separation of cow and calf? This happens in organic farming too.
Regardless of the method of farming (organic or not) cows are slaughtered for meat at about 5 years of age, after bringing 2 or 3 calves into the world and about 15 years before their natural death. Do you regard that as a dignified existence?
My source is that my family owns an organic dairy farm and every single number you pulled is either wrong or out of context
Cows get pregnant about once per year. When we have an actual bull with the herd, that interval is even shorter because the bull won't consider milk production at all. He'll jump on as soon as he smells she's in heat.
There's nothing forceful about artificial insemination and every statement in that direction is extremist bullshit spread by Peta Terrorists and other lowlifes
Wild cows also get pregnant every year, yes. They need to produce as much offspring as possible so the herd doesn't die out and when there's a bull present and the cow goes into heat, then there's nothing stopping them.
Cows on organic farms often live into their teens and are usually only slaughtered when they develop severe health problems. Our oldest one is 16 years old as of last month and you can easily tell that she's an extremely old lady. Wild cows have a way shorter life expectancy because they get hunted down by predators or die of an infection as soon as they show any kind of weakness or old age.
A dignified existence for a cow is the ability to graze on fresh pastures, a roof over the head for bad weather, soft bedding for resting, a reasonablely sized herd for companionship and a painless death when her time has come.
Separation of cows and calves is your only argument that has any kind of merit, but honestly most cows take it pretty well. A lot of farmers are actually exploring concepts where mother and calf are kept together, but those usually result in higher maintenance cost and slightly lower milk yield. And customers are just not ready to pay the difference.
The thing that people like you always forget is that most farmers and especially organic farmers care a great deal about their kettles' wellbeing and some of you would do well to remember that.
Hey, thanks for getting back to me. I'd be really interested in a follow up.
Let me start by stating that i am happy to learn more and don't ask to get a "got ya" out of you. It's great to have the possibility to talk to somebody who has real experience in the field (if you don't mind me further enquiring of course).
Cows get pregnant about once per year. When we have an actual bull with the herd, that interval is even shorter because the bull won't consider milk production at all. He'll jump on as soon as he smells she's in heat.
So cows have one or two calves a year, with a dry period of 60 days, while giving milk for the rest of the year.
There's nothing forceful about artificial insemination and every statement in that direction is extremist bullshit spread by Peta Terrorists and other lowlifes
I have to disagree here. Dairy farmers are impragnating cows, either via natural or artifical methods, to make a profit selling their milk. Impregnating another sentient being that cannot consent to it, for no other reason than to profit from them, is by definition forceful in my opinion. I'd even say it is forceful regardless of the physical force the act of impragnation requiers.
Wild cows also get pregnant every year, yes. They need to produce as much offspring as possible so the herd doesn't die out and when there's a bull present and the cow goes into heat, then there's nothing stopping them.
That's good to know. I suppose the herds size would be regulated trough predators. Most cows that exist in America and Europa wouldn't survive in the wild, because they have been bred into milk or meat producers, but it's good to know thad beeing pregnant is the norm for cows.
Cows on organic farms often live into their teens and are usually only slaughtered when they develop severe health problems. Our oldest one is 16 years old as of last month and you can easily tell that she's an extremely old lady. Wild cows have a way shorter life expectancy because they get hunted down by predators or die of an infection as soon as they show any kind of weakness or old age.
I'm really happy to hear this :) Since this reduces profit it really shows a genuine care about your families cows, since doing this while losing money must come out of respect and genuine care.
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Is keeping cows alive into their teens or even late teens something only your family does or is it part of the general organic milk industry's standards?
A dignified existence for a cow is the ability to graze on fresh pastures, a roof over the head for bad weather, soft bedding for resting, a reasonablely sized herd for companionship and a painless death when her time has come.
Separation of cows and calves is your only argument that has any kind of merit, but honestly most cows take it pretty well. A lot of farmers are actually exploring concepts where mother and calf are kept together, but those usually result in higher maintenance cost and slightly lower milk yield. And customers are just not ready to pay the difference.
Thanks for being honest about me having a point. Personaly i think not beeing seperated from their children should be part of a dignified existance. Even if you think that they take it well, that can by it's nature only be an assumption.
I don't have time for a deep dive rn, but wikipedia seems to disagree with you (i know, not a great source):
May i ask what happens with the babys? I mean, you propaly can't afford to double your heard in size every year, that would run out of steam fast.
The thing that people like you [...]
People like me? Who are they?
[...]always forget is that most farmers and especially organic farmers care a great deal about their kettles' wellbeing and some of you would do well to remember that.
I don't know about that. I belive and hope that farmers care for their animals, and i can imagine that espeacialy organic farmers indeed do care about their animals. I believe that you see your family as caring about their cows.
Considering how most of the livestock we have is not held on organic farms but is mass produced cattle on large scale farms that do live under horrendous circumstances, i don't think that "most" farmers care about their animals as living beings that should be treated with respect. Maybe as an asset that has to be kept healthy enough to produce the desired product, but that often includes the very bare minimum of care (at least outside of organic farms).
Wild cow herds are regulated by predators, but also by themselves. Like with most herd animals, males are either killed or exiled once they reach puberty.
On my parents farm we leave the calves with their mother for a day and then move the calves to their own enclosure nearby. If I had to guess, I'd say that the social contact with the other calves significantly reduces stress for the calves and the direct line of sight helps the mothers cope. But it really depends on the individual cow how well they take it.
As far as I'm aware organic farms often keep their cows for roundabout one decade given that their health allows it. Upper teens are rare because older cows are a lot more prone to develop serious health issues and most of the time it's more humane to slaughter a cow with a torn ligament than watching her die painfully from gas buildup.
Thanks. How do you proceed with the calves after they are separated? Are they sold, killed, kept, etc? Does what happens to them depend on a calves sex?
I don't, since locks are inanimate objects that lack the ability to feel and think. Do those qualities apply to cows too?
I sincerely hope that you think humans should be asked for consent before impregnating them. But you don't seem to think this applies to cows. What qualitie(s) does a cow lack, that a human animal has, to justify this distinction?
I would not be surprised if my old coworker-friends started a separate group chat without me after the nth, "Maybe you should come to one of these protests" and "Please at least read the wikipedia summary on this historical topic before you start going off about it" message from me.
They're fine people but they're also kind of very... apolitical.
aaand that's why I'm in no group chat. Not even in the family group chat. They kept adding me and I kept leaving immediately. Everybody got angry with me. A couple of months ago something hapened and the grouo is over. I don't know what happened because I was not there. Nobody is angry with me and I'm not angry with anyone. say NO to group chats
I use to BFF with someone. I heleped them secure a new position. For my help, I was brought on as a consultant. I did a fantastic job as a consultant. I was everyone's buddy and everyone loved me.
I was part of high level meetings and decisions.
Then I found out some of my so called "friends" had a secret Signal chat. They even invited some random person! I cried for days.
Thanks kind internet stranger. To be told, I was making fun of Ol' Elon Musky and the meme of him being sad, with the words "You guys have a group chat?". Which came out shortly after the Signal Group chat with the journalist.
I would be vegan if all the food i like wouldn't have an animal product in it, also i don't really feel enough empathy toward animals so i don't have that emotional push :(
I hate that the industry of meat do bad things and polute but also i don't want to stop eating 80% of the things i like, i try to eat meat bought from local stores, also, cheer to all vegans that did the "transition"
I never tried one because where i live they don't sell many vegan alternatives to meat, if i get the hands on one i will try it! Maybe it can be a good replacement? I mean, if it taste the same who care.
I’ve been vegan now for seven years and I literally just did it because I got tired of fucking with animals. I went from full-on carnivore to 100% vegan in a week; compared to quitting nicotine or even caffeine (easy) becoming vegan was by far the easiest life change I’ve ever made.
(Honestly I don’t know why anyone would consider it hard: you just stop eating animal products.)
Right on bro.
I actually do amatuer MMA, and after switching to vegan I was finally able to surpass the plateau I hit, and set new personal bests in the big three, squat, deadlift and bench press.
Holy moly does a vegan diet give you a lot of energy. Never felt better.
Haha, look at all the envious fat asses giving me downvotes. Fucking losers.
I've been vegan for four years and honestly, while it was practically not difficult for me, there was a pretty big mental hurdle I had to get over. It sounds silly in retrospect, but I literally mourned foods that I thought I'd never be able to eat. Turns out I still eat all the foods I like, just with small adjustments to make them vegan. So glad I switched. Best decision I ever made.
Honestly I don’t know why anyone would consider it hard: you just stop eating animal products.
Maybe you have a different definition of vegan. Most say “vegan” means no animal products at all. It requires a ton of research to avoid constant minefields, because animal products can be in everything. Dyes, scents, preservatives, flavors, polishes, powders, etc… Even fresh fruit can be non-vegan, because sellers will polish their fruit with beeswax or shellac to make it more shiny, and give it a better shelf life.
I gradually ate less and less meat over 5 years. In the beginning I was just trying to reduce my ecological impact so I cut out beef and pigs first. Perfection is the enemy of the good; if the reader is daunted, then I suggest you just commit to one little thing at a time.
see thats the problem most of the things that i like to eat are animal products. some of them have like 1 or 2 vegan alternatives in the stores, most of them, like kebab dont (within 30 minutes of my home)
like i understand the reasoning, i just never could with the limited alternatives present.
especially when there are a total of 3 vegetables i can eat without needing to throw up
The thing about growing up with a meat-based diet, as most of us did, is that meat is always the focal point. Meals are basically cooking some meat, and then adding a couple of sides.
And so when people try to go vegetarian or vegan they are stuck in a way of thinking that is like "what do I substitute the meat with? What's the vegetarian alternative to chicken??" - and without meat the style of cooking they are accustomed to falls apart, their meals are pathetic, and they don't know what to do. And so people think "I can never give up meat!"
Vegan cooking that just tries to "replace" meat will never be as successful or delicious as vegan cooking that has it's own identity. To cook well in a vegetarian or vegan way you need to re-evaluate what kind of dishes work, and how you cook. Roasting and searing brings out sweetness and creates texture. Spices kick up the flavour. Sauces bring it together.
I am not actually vegan myself, though I try to eat meat-free a lot of the time. I am fortunate to live in a city that has a lot of vegetarian and vegan food. This is some of the menu from a vegetarian restaurant I like:
Ravioli -
Spiced celeriac filled ravioli, sage brown butter, apple & chilli salsa, parmesan cheese & walnut crumb (contains nuts)
Crown Prince Squash -
Roasted crown prince, seared oyster mushroom, pear ketchup, Wensleydale blue cheese & walnut crunch (ve option available)(gf)
Fennel -
Confit fennel, spiced red wine poached quince, labneh & mint & walnut dukkah (ve option available) (nuts)(gf)
And I have to ask - what is it about vegetables that makes you need to throw up? Is that a medical issue or did you just grow up in a house where vegetables didn't exist?
i think its a sensory issue, because for example i dont mind the taste of onion, but the second i feel it in my mouth i reflexively need to throw up. this goes for a LOT of food, and the food i can eat, needs to be prepared in a few specific ways. rare steak? throw up. well done? delicious. raw carrot? throw up. boiled carrot slices? tasty. and so on and so forth
Yah, that's the wrong approach. 'Meat alternatives' are generally ass. Just eat whatever you usually eat that doesn't need to have meat in it. Black bean tacos, donuts, and cheese pizzas are vegetarian, ya know. Although you will of course have to eat a salad once in a while (horror) to not get scurvy.
I’d do it too if only because it’s heathier, but almost every recipe I know has meat in it that’s pretty hard to replace, it wouldn’t be easy. Maybe if/when meat gets more expensive, I might give it a try.
Why wouldn’t you just try other recipes? I wouldn’t want to go back to the garbage I ate as a meat eater anyway; there is so much variety out there that doesn’t depend on eating animals.
There is, but it’s a massive effort. I do try it sometimes and I do have more vegan recipes than before, but I can’t just replace meat in my meat stew with tofu. The more time passes the more vegan recipes I have in my repertoire. I do try to avoid red meat and replace it with chicken or fish though, honestly I care more about the health aspect than the ethical one.
It's certainly an inconvenient hurdle to clear to become vegetarian, let alone vegan.
All starts with being convinced that there is something wrong with eating meat, and usually the conscience takes it from there.
It also doesn't help that our governments subsidize the meat and dairy industries to the point where they are some of the cheapest for people. Remove those subsidies, and people will start to see a reason to make the switch.
I was able to switch myself and my family to vegetarian thanks to how good plant based meat alternatives have gotten. If you haven't yet, I highly recommend trying out Impossible meat products. Their burgers put in an air fryer are indistinguishable from real meat for me, same with their ground beef.
I've been able to cook all of my family's favorite meat based recipes with impossible meat with no changes to the recipe, and all of them, who are life-long meat eaters, tell me they can't tell a difference.
Their comment wasn’t making judgements of others, it was just a statement of personal feelings. On a memes community no less.
I get frustrated on Lemmy seeing stuff like this. Downvoting a completely innocent comment cause they have a different belief only makes their beliefs look dumb.
Have a conversation and let that conversation rise to the top of the comments.
I see this and think whoever is downvoting has such a fragile world view that it will break if they see a comment that offers a different take.
Because many of the readers here see it as an ethical issue.
I just want to point out that the “pro lifers” and trans phobes also think their position is an “ethical” one, and all their decisions are driven by that. Doesn’t make them right just cause they think they’re doing the ethical thing.
It's the meat heads obsessed with the topic. The only reason most vegans would mention their food preference is because food is part of most peoples life's 3 times a day. But when discovered the questioning is relentless.
And people always forget. "Why do vegans go on and on about it?" Because we want to be able to eat? For my stag do, my brother forgot THREE times to get me vegan products. THREE. And then complained because I "mention it too much"...I just wanna eat!
Have you tried impossible type meats or even lab grown meat? I’m not sure how easily you can get the lab grown stuff or if it’s inexpensive enough for decent folks.
My previous comment should suggest that I look for healthy, natural products.
Impossible burgers is Ultra Processed Foods. Famously even South Park made an episode about it.
Lab grown meat will be the same (because it has to be cheaper than meat to be produced on scale, and because even if it starts healthy it's quality will inevitably go down to make as cheap to produce as possible)
In any post about veganism, you'll get two types of idealist. People who make this unilateral sacrifice to help the world, and people who get defensive about not making yet another unilateral sacrifice. And they both have a lot to say.
People always say they couldn't give up a good steak, but we're mostly not eating steak, we're eating low quality processed meat and you could swap that with other protein and not notice.
Yeah, if people kept eating steak at the same rate, but reduced or stopped eating all the garbage meat, they and the world would be a healthier happier place. I'm not against eating meat, but I am against they typical western, especially American, focus on eating so much of it.
I think it should, but I don't think it does. The first definition that shows up when I search the word: "The edible flesh of animals, especially that of mammals as opposed to that of fish or poultry." It explicitly excludes fish, though I do think poultry is generally considered meat, so maybe this isn't perfect. Every definition that is about flesh from a creature seems to exclude fish though.
The distinction of fish not being meat is the reason why the pescetarian diet exists. It's a diet next to vegetarian, but allows fish. The don't eat "meat."
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Asetru@feddit.org · 113 pts · 298d
Seems considerate? "We didn't want to annoy you with photos of something you despise so we created a separate channel to do just that but nothing else."
buttnugget@lemmy.world · -7 pts · 298d
Only if she did actually despise meat. I am in a few discords with vegans and vegetarians and we all just post food photos regardless.
I’d say the issue is more that the group was secret and had a stupid name.
Edit: people who stalk decent folks comment history to mass downvote should be executed.
snooggums@piefed.world · 35 pts · 298d
The name is clever!
rishado@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 297d
thethunderwolf@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 65 pts · 298d
I came here for people's group chat incidents
What I actually got is a flame war against vegans and a flame war against non vegans and they both hate vegetarians
Please reply with your group chat incidents
turdcollector69@lemmy.world · 28 pts · 298d
Got drunk and sent a picture of my dick wrapped in a fur blanket with a face drawn on it and the caption "winter is cumming"
Was pretty funny all in all, was an incredibly rowdy group chat
blanketswithsmallpox@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 297d
/r/cospenis if this was reddit.
turdcollector69@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 297d
I can't remember where it was from or if it was just one of the degens in the chat but I remember the phrase "cockstume party" being thrown around.
GorGor@startrek.website · 5 pts · 297d
I had a friend tell me her strategy on unsolicited dick picks was to respond with pictures of other dicks in shoes. Often coupled with comments akin to 'you couldn't pull off these stilettos, but maybe you could try a kitten heel.'
RebekahWSD@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 297d
The only incidents we have is my mother's husband keeps making new group chats. All the same people, somehow new groups.
All the same content though, just us sharing cat photos.
sleepdrifter@startrek.website · 6 pts · 297d
My dad somehow manages to get email addresses into group MMS chats, and each email response creates a new thread
BigBenis@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 297d
Do you really expect anything less from an anonymous public message board? It's practically a Law of the Internet that invoking any version of the words "vegan" or "vegetarian" is bound to spark outrage from one side or the other.
Danquebec@sh.itjust.works · -2 pts · 297d
Vegans hate vegetarians? But they are vegetarians.
Gloomy@mander.xyz · 13 pts · 297d
Disclosure: Am Vegan. Don't hate vegetarians.
I think it's because many Vegans perceive Vegetarians as going half the way and then stopping dead.
From a vegan perspective meat eaters are doing something morally wrong. But many have grown up that way and are conditioned into normalizing meat consumption. Many haven't questioned it ever, or reflexively defend it, because it is perceived as normal.
Vegetarians on the other hand seem to understand the problem of animals suffering. Many of them made an ethical decision not to eat meat... and then continue to contribute to animal suffering by consuming other animal products. Understanding that murder is bad and then deciding to commit it just a bit less directly, is a position many Vegans take as deeply harmful.
Personally i am grateful for every single animal saved. Reducing meat or going vegetarian are steps in a direcion i see as good and positive. In my ideal world we would all be Vegans, but i am grateful for every little step in that direction.
mad_lentil@lemmy.ca · 7 pts · 297d
Even just reducing our global meat consumption would make me so happy. Let it's insane to me that there is what amounts to my eyes as a wall of tortured flesh in every grocery store, and my tofus and veggie dogs take up like half of two shelves next to the fresh vegetables.
I can't wrap my head around eating meat every day, but there are people who eat meat at every meal.
thethunderwolf@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 293d
Not quite. Vegans don't eat any animal products of any kind. Vegetarians don't eat products that necessitate killing an animal to produce, but allow others. Note that these other products are usually from animals that will be killed for food, and that the animals that won't be murdered still also suffer.
Danquebec@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 293d
Vegetarians don't eat meat. Hence vegans are vegetarian.
Ovo-lacto-vegetarians allow eggs and milk. This is the common type of vegetarian in the West.
Lacto-vegetarians allow milk, but not eggs. This is the common type of vegetarian in India.
ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works · 47 pts · 297d
Just got one going on now.
An extended family group chat that was 99% baby photos until one person posted photos of their kids at a protest this weekend and then the chuddy trad-wife sov-cits in the family threw a fit.
They all left the chat and said they'll only be reachable on Facebook.
Oh darn. All the shucks.
Gloomy@mander.xyz · 33 pts · 297d
Now that is what i call an efficient way to filter out the trash from your group chat.
tetris11@feddit.uk · 47 pts · 298d
Rich high school friend shared a newspaper clipping with us (in the high school group) in which he was featured. Apparently he had a car accident with a girl in the seat next to him, and had suffered mentally for it over the guilt of crippling the girl. The initial reaction of the group was "ohh, so sorry you had to go through that".
Later, once it sunk in that a) why was this featured in the newspaper at all, and b) his family is very rich, I think we all came to the understanding that he had basically crippled a girl with his reckless driving, could not fix the problem with money, and so in order to help mitigate against a future court case or to discredit the girl, his family paid for a sob piece in the press.
He was your typical rich kid: fast car, no consequences, if someone comes up with a joke he will steal it and claim it as his own. Shit eating grin, until you have nothing you can offer him so he goes and talks to someone else.
Kennystillalive@feddit.org · 46 pts · 298d
Holly seeing the comments on this post is crazy and some people would do good to touch some grass.
GiveOver@feddit.uk · 42 pts · 298d
I was hoping to read a collection of people's group chat incidents. This sucks.
reddifuge@lemmy.world · -47 pts · 298d
Meatheads love to ruin everything.
GiveOver@feddit.uk · 22 pts · 298d
Don't start
reddifuge@lemmy.world · -38 pts · 298d
If you actually pay attention you can see the meatheads started every argument.
So shut the fuck up.
Kennystillalive@feddit.org · 20 pts · 298d
Dude /Dudette, what's wrong with you? We aren't here on xitter, where you get to dunk on others for some internet points. I know everybody has a bad day, but please act civilized and have a little dececy. It's not that difficult and you'll get your point accross easier if you don't go fronting people 24/7.
reddifuge@lemmy.world · -19 pts · 298d
bitjunkie@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 298d
You must lead a charmed life
Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it · 10 pts · 298d
Not in these comment replies tho
reddifuge@lemmy.world · -24 pts · 298d
FFS we are talking about the other comments in these replies.
Nythos@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 298d
pewgar_seemsimandroid@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 297d
i regonize that yapper.
reddifuge@lemmy.world · -7 pts · 298d
Looks like the average reddit user.
AngularViscosity@piefed.social · 6 pts · 298d
I see a total of two shitheads commenting live bait and for every one of those, at least three people are shitting on them when they could've just downvoted and moved on.
If your point is "who's starting it" rather than who's fueling it, it's disingenuous and overly generous.
bitjunkie@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 298d
"I should be able to post but you shouldn't be able to reply"
reddifuge@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 297d
Exactly. These idiots post offensive shit with no other point than harassment, then cry like babies to the mods when people tell them to fuck off.
Lemminary@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 298d
Most comments are by people talking about going vegan or vegetarian, what are you on about?
Soulg@ani.social · 16 pts · 298d
Professional victim while blaming everyone else, and also trying to use cute slurs
bitjunkie@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 298d
Being a single-issue conversationalist
kamen@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 298d
Yep. Yet another useless flame war over dietary preferences while missing the original joke.
50MYT@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 298d
Ikr.
It's a meme... Laugh. Or don't?
BananaIsABerry@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 298d
What if I laugh and don't?
Luffy879@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 298d
This posts comment section is literally
Just because you couldnt live without Meat dosent mean you cant respect some ones choice to not eat it, change my mind.
plyth@feddit.org · 0 pts · 298d
21Cabbage@lemmynsfw.com · 23 pts · 298d
Incidents in my groupchats usually end up with somebody arrested tbh...
Triti@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 298d
You can't just say that and drop the mic! Tell us what happened!
DupaCycki@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 298d
Honestly that seems pretty thoughtful of them. Most people I know would give zero shits and just post all that on a chat with vegans and vegetarians. Some of them going out of their way to post them on that chat specifically.
XM34@feddit.org · 14 pts · 298d
Gone vegetarian 5 years ago just before the pandemic hit. I've never had any real issues so far and my friend group has mostly switched to vegetarian meals when I'm present. Not because anyone forced them, but because it's a lot easier and there's so much awesome vegetarian food nowadays.
And when we barbecue, everyone brings their own stuff anyway. So that's a non issue as well (I don't care about cross contamination at all)
I don't think I could go full vegan, but in all honesty, I save enough money from not buying meat that I can buy all of my milk and cheese organic and that got rid of pretty much every last one of my moral qualms.
::: spoiler spoiler Queue militant vegans telling me how awful even organic dairy is in 3, 2, 1... :::
BananaIsABerry@lemmy.zip · 23 pts · 298d
Not a vegan, but organic is really a marketing term more than anything, at least in the US. Organic farming isn't necessarily a more environmentally safe alternative to normal farming, especially since "organic" pesticides tend to also cause local environmental damage.
buttnugget@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 298d
This is confusing for me. When I was growing up, it was in the aftermath of DDT and all that shit. Organic was what decent people started using to indicate that no awful pesticides like that were used. It wasn’t supposed to be marketing.
JandroDelSol@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 298d
nowadays organic just means it doesn't use regulated pesticides, doesn't indicate any quality besides that
XM34@feddit.org · 9 pts · 298d
I don't know and don't care about the US, but at least in the EU this statement is false. The EU-BIO- Label doesn't regulate as much as it could, but it does regulate a lot more than just "no pesticides".
JandroDelSol@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 298d
Oh, I'm in America, and it doesn't mean "no pesticides". it means no pesticides approved by the EPA. fuck knows what they're actually putting on there
pelespirit@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 297d
That is not true.
https://www.ams.usda.gov/about-ams/programs-offices/national-organic-program
pelespirit@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 297d
There is a strong anti-organic community that will say this. There is a clear indication of what organic means on the website. It is not perfect, but waaaay better.
https://www.ams.usda.gov/about-ams/programs-offices/national-organic-program
9blb@feddit.org · -1 pts · 298d
If you became a vegetarian for ethical reasons, then buying organic milk doesn't solve any of the moral qualms connected to the dairy industry. The cow still gets (forcefully) impregnated, her calf still gets taken from her shortly after birth and both of them get killed once they are no longer economically viable.
XM34@feddit.org · 1 pts · 298d
I became a vegetarian for environmental reasons and I do think all animals deserve a dignified existance, but my criteria for that is obviously very different from yours.
Still though, it never ceases to amuse me how that forceful impregnation BS is still floating around with people who've never encountered a live animal in their entire life. How about you try getting a male and female pet and do a little study on how small the intervals in between litters really are.
Gloomy@mander.xyz · 5 pts · 297d
Are you saying cows are not impregnated forcefully? Because artificial impregnation is used regularly by dairy farmers. Even when not, the time of impregnation, either by natural methods or artificially, is carefully selected with best milk production in mind.
For cows it's usually a dry period of 60 days, before they are impregnated again.
I'm not even sure what point you are trying to make here. Are you implying that wild cows would also be pregnatant as much as possible?
I'd be interested in what your criteria for a dignified existence are. For example, what is your stance on the separation of cow and calf? This happens in organic farming too. Regardless of the method of farming (organic or not) cows are slaughtered for meat at about 5 years of age, after bringing 2 or 3 calves into the world and about 15 years before their natural death. Do you regard that as a dignified existence?
XM34@feddit.org · 5 pts · 297d
My source is that my family owns an organic dairy farm and every single number you pulled is either wrong or out of context
Cows get pregnant about once per year. When we have an actual bull with the herd, that interval is even shorter because the bull won't consider milk production at all. He'll jump on as soon as he smells she's in heat.
There's nothing forceful about artificial insemination and every statement in that direction is extremist bullshit spread by Peta Terrorists and other lowlifes
Wild cows also get pregnant every year, yes. They need to produce as much offspring as possible so the herd doesn't die out and when there's a bull present and the cow goes into heat, then there's nothing stopping them.
Cows on organic farms often live into their teens and are usually only slaughtered when they develop severe health problems. Our oldest one is 16 years old as of last month and you can easily tell that she's an extremely old lady. Wild cows have a way shorter life expectancy because they get hunted down by predators or die of an infection as soon as they show any kind of weakness or old age.
A dignified existence for a cow is the ability to graze on fresh pastures, a roof over the head for bad weather, soft bedding for resting, a reasonablely sized herd for companionship and a painless death when her time has come.
Separation of cows and calves is your only argument that has any kind of merit, but honestly most cows take it pretty well. A lot of farmers are actually exploring concepts where mother and calf are kept together, but those usually result in higher maintenance cost and slightly lower milk yield. And customers are just not ready to pay the difference.
The thing that people like you always forget is that most farmers and especially organic farmers care a great deal about their kettles' wellbeing and some of you would do well to remember that.
Gloomy@mander.xyz · 1 pts · 297d
Hey, thanks for getting back to me. I'd be really interested in a follow up.
Let me start by stating that i am happy to learn more and don't ask to get a "got ya" out of you. It's great to have the possibility to talk to somebody who has real experience in the field (if you don't mind me further enquiring of course).
So cows have one or two calves a year, with a dry period of 60 days, while giving milk for the rest of the year.
I have to disagree here. Dairy farmers are impragnating cows, either via natural or artifical methods, to make a profit selling their milk. Impregnating another sentient being that cannot consent to it, for no other reason than to profit from them, is by definition forceful in my opinion. I'd even say it is forceful regardless of the physical force the act of impragnation requiers.
That's good to know. I suppose the herds size would be regulated trough predators. Most cows that exist in America and Europa wouldn't survive in the wild, because they have been bred into milk or meat producers, but it's good to know thad beeing pregnant is the norm for cows.
I'm really happy to hear this :) Since this reduces profit it really shows a genuine care about your families cows, since doing this while losing money must come out of respect and genuine care. e Is keeping cows alive into their teens or even late teens something only your family does or is it part of the general organic milk industry's standards?
Thanks for being honest about me having a point. Personaly i think not beeing seperated from their children should be part of a dignified existance. Even if you think that they take it well, that can by it's nature only be an assumption.
I don't have time for a deep dive rn, but wikipedia seems to disagree with you (i know, not a great source):
May i ask what happens with the babys? I mean, you propaly can't afford to double your heard in size every year, that would run out of steam fast.
People like me? Who are they?
I don't know about that. I belive and hope that farmers care for their animals, and i can imagine that espeacialy organic farmers indeed do care about their animals. I believe that you see your family as caring about their cows.
Considering how most of the livestock we have is not held on organic farms but is mass produced cattle on large scale farms that do live under horrendous circumstances, i don't think that "most" farmers care about their animals as living beings that should be treated with respect. Maybe as an asset that has to be kept healthy enough to produce the desired product, but that often includes the very bare minimum of care (at least outside of organic farms).
XM34@feddit.org · 2 pts · 297d
Wild cow herds are regulated by predators, but also by themselves. Like with most herd animals, males are either killed or exiled once they reach puberty.
On my parents farm we leave the calves with their mother for a day and then move the calves to their own enclosure nearby. If I had to guess, I'd say that the social contact with the other calves significantly reduces stress for the calves and the direct line of sight helps the mothers cope. But it really depends on the individual cow how well they take it.
As far as I'm aware organic farms often keep their cows for roundabout one decade given that their health allows it. Upper teens are rare because older cows are a lot more prone to develop serious health issues and most of the time it's more humane to slaughter a cow with a torn ligament than watching her die painfully from gas buildup.
Gloomy@mander.xyz · 2 pts · 297d
Thanks. How do you proceed with the calves after they are separated? Are they sold, killed, kept, etc? Does what happens to them depend on a calves sex?
commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 0 pts · 297d
it's is absurd to discuss consent from a cow. do you ask locks for consent before you force your keys in them?
Gloomy@mander.xyz · 2 pts · 297d
I don't, since locks are inanimate objects that lack the ability to feel and think. Do those qualities apply to cows too?
I sincerely hope that you think humans should be asked for consent before impregnating them. But you don't seem to think this applies to cows. What qualitie(s) does a cow lack, that a human animal has, to justify this distinction?
Emerald@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 297d
Or just spay and neuter
jjjalljs@ttrpg.network · 12 pts · 297d
I would not be surprised if my old coworker-friends started a separate group chat without me after the nth, "Maybe you should come to one of these protests" and "Please at least read the wikipedia summary on this historical topic before you start going off about it" message from me.
They're fine people but they're also kind of very... apolitical.
Rooster326@programming.dev · 2 pts · 297d
There's a time and a place?
Etterra@discuss.online · 11 pts · 298d
That's the least problematic result. "We all love meaty food and we know you don't so we didn't invite you to the Delicious Meat Showcase.'
blimthepixie@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 11 pts · 297d
Ahhh the WhatsApp Paradox
For every chat group you're in, there is a separate group that exists without you in it
ftbd@feddit.org · 3 pts · 297d
That's not a paradox, that's the group chat power set theorem
MissJinx@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 297d
aaand that's why I'm in no group chat. Not even in the family group chat. They kept adding me and I kept leaving immediately. Everybody got angry with me. A couple of months ago something hapened and the grouo is over. I don't know what happened because I was not there. Nobody is angry with me and I'm not angry with anyone. say NO to group chats
fish@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 297d
I'm the admin of our group chat and I have a "no social media shares or political talks" or muted.
family photos and announcements only
StarvingMartist@sh.itjust.works · 9 pts · 297d
My friend had someone in our discord, he was the only one who was on in the video chat, the dude popped in and said, "you wanna see a murder"
"No?"
Then he just vigorously started cutting himself with a knife. He was ultimately kicked out because of his drug problem
Hideakikarate@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 298d
hydroxycotton@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 298d
Looks like you're doing a bit of venting here but...
Wut
Hideakikarate@sh.itjust.works · 12 pts · 298d
Yeah, sorry about that. Honestly, the whole situation is stupid and not worth the tax it's putting on me.
ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one · 6 pts · 297d
I use to BFF with someone. I heleped them secure a new position. For my help, I was brought on as a consultant. I did a fantastic job as a consultant. I was everyone's buddy and everyone loved me.
I was part of high level meetings and decisions.
Then I found out some of my so called "friends" had a secret Signal chat. They even invited some random person! I cried for days.
parody@lemmings.world · 1 pts · 296d
<3
::: spoiler Tap for spoiler
Hoping you were too important and they didn’t want you seeing embarrassing things and losing your respect etc. cuz you sound important!!
:::
ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one · 1 pts · 296d
Thanks kind internet stranger. To be told, I was making fun of Ol' Elon Musky and the meme of him being sad, with the words "You guys have a group chat?". Which came out shortly after the Signal Group chat with the journalist.
parody@lemmings.world · 1 pts · 296d
Ohhhhh over mah head
ivanafterall@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 297d
Am I supposed to be in a group chat? Well, shit. Now I also want to know the incident that excluded me from every group chat.
Quexotic@infosec.pub · 2 pts · 297d
I'd share but the court case is still pending.
Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it · 0 pts · 298d
I would be vegan if all the food i like wouldn't have an animal product in it, also i don't really feel enough empathy toward animals so i don't have that emotional push :(
I hate that the industry of meat do bad things and polute but also i don't want to stop eating 80% of the things i like, i try to eat meat bought from local stores, also, cheer to all vegans that did the "transition"
explodicle@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 298d
Hey at least you're being honest, not telling us how much you love animals while you're eating them. Do you like impossible burgers?
Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it · 2 pts · 297d
I never tried one because where i live they don't sell many vegan alternatives to meat, if i get the hands on one i will try it! Maybe it can be a good replacement? I mean, if it taste the same who care.
SaltyIceteaMaker@lemmy.ml · -19 pts · 298d
i probably couldnt live Vegan, or even vegetarian. like i eat meat with almost every meal.
undefined@lemmy.hogru.ch · 32 pts · 298d
I’ve been vegan now for seven years and I literally just did it because I got tired of fucking with animals. I went from full-on carnivore to 100% vegan in a week; compared to quitting nicotine or even caffeine (easy) becoming vegan was by far the easiest life change I’ve ever made.
(Honestly I don’t know why anyone would consider it hard: you just stop eating animal products.)
Zozano@aussie.zone · 20 pts · 298d
Becoming vegan was very easy for me. It's essentially a matter of the straw breaking the camels back.
Once I got to the point of "yeah, this is fucked, I don't want to be part of this horror show anymore" I simply didn't want to eat meat.
reddifuge@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 298d
Right on bro. I actually do amatuer MMA, and after switching to vegan I was finally able to surpass the plateau I hit, and set new personal bests in the big three, squat, deadlift and bench press.
Holy moly does a vegan diet give you a lot of energy. Never felt better.
Haha, look at all the envious fat asses giving me downvotes. Fucking losers.
Omnipitaph@reddthat.com · 10 pts · 298d
Congrats and respect!
chetradley@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 298d
I've been vegan for four years and honestly, while it was practically not difficult for me, there was a pretty big mental hurdle I had to get over. It sounds silly in retrospect, but I literally mourned foods that I thought I'd never be able to eat. Turns out I still eat all the foods I like, just with small adjustments to make them vegan. So glad I switched. Best decision I ever made.
mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 298d
Maybe you have a different definition of vegan. Most say “vegan” means no animal products at all. It requires a ton of research to avoid constant minefields, because animal products can be in everything. Dyes, scents, preservatives, flavors, polishes, powders, etc… Even fresh fruit can be non-vegan, because sellers will polish their fruit with beeswax or shellac to make it more shiny, and give it a better shelf life.
explodicle@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 298d
I gradually ate less and less meat over 5 years. In the beginning I was just trying to reduce my ecological impact so I cut out beef and pigs first. Perfection is the enemy of the good; if the reader is daunted, then I suggest you just commit to one little thing at a time.
SaltyIceteaMaker@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 298d
see thats the problem most of the things that i like to eat are animal products. some of them have like 1 or 2 vegan alternatives in the stores, most of them, like kebab dont (within 30 minutes of my home)
like i understand the reasoning, i just never could with the limited alternatives present.
especially when there are a total of 3 vegetables i can eat without needing to throw up
tiramichu@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 298d
The thing about growing up with a meat-based diet, as most of us did, is that meat is always the focal point. Meals are basically cooking some meat, and then adding a couple of sides.
And so when people try to go vegetarian or vegan they are stuck in a way of thinking that is like "what do I substitute the meat with? What's the vegetarian alternative to chicken??" - and without meat the style of cooking they are accustomed to falls apart, their meals are pathetic, and they don't know what to do. And so people think "I can never give up meat!"
Vegan cooking that just tries to "replace" meat will never be as successful or delicious as vegan cooking that has it's own identity. To cook well in a vegetarian or vegan way you need to re-evaluate what kind of dishes work, and how you cook. Roasting and searing brings out sweetness and creates texture. Spices kick up the flavour. Sauces bring it together.
I am not actually vegan myself, though I try to eat meat-free a lot of the time. I am fortunate to live in a city that has a lot of vegetarian and vegan food. This is some of the menu from a vegetarian restaurant I like:
Ravioli - Spiced celeriac filled ravioli, sage brown butter, apple & chilli salsa, parmesan cheese & walnut crumb (contains nuts)
Crown Prince Squash - Roasted crown prince, seared oyster mushroom, pear ketchup, Wensleydale blue cheese & walnut crunch (ve option available)(gf)
Fennel - Confit fennel, spiced red wine poached quince, labneh & mint & walnut dukkah (ve option available) (nuts)(gf)
Romanesco Cauliflower - Roasted cauliflower, soy & cauliflower purée, walnut & red pepper dressing & crispy chilli oil (ve) (nuts)
All utterly delicious! :)
And I have to ask - what is it about vegetables that makes you need to throw up? Is that a medical issue or did you just grow up in a house where vegetables didn't exist?
SaltyIceteaMaker@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 297d
i think its a sensory issue, because for example i dont mind the taste of onion, but the second i feel it in my mouth i reflexively need to throw up. this goes for a LOT of food, and the food i can eat, needs to be prepared in a few specific ways. rare steak? throw up. well done? delicious. raw carrot? throw up. boiled carrot slices? tasty. and so on and so forth
astutemural@midwest.social · 6 pts · 298d
Yah, that's the wrong approach. 'Meat alternatives' are generally ass. Just eat whatever you usually eat that doesn't need to have meat in it. Black bean tacos, donuts, and cheese pizzas are vegetarian, ya know. Although you will of course have to eat a salad once in a while (horror) to not get scurvy.
SorryQuick@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 298d
I’d do it too if only because it’s heathier, but almost every recipe I know has meat in it that’s pretty hard to replace, it wouldn’t be easy. Maybe if/when meat gets more expensive, I might give it a try.
undefined@lemmy.hogru.ch · 2 pts · 297d
Why wouldn’t you just try other recipes? I wouldn’t want to go back to the garbage I ate as a meat eater anyway; there is so much variety out there that doesn’t depend on eating animals.
SorryQuick@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 297d
There is, but it’s a massive effort. I do try it sometimes and I do have more vegan recipes than before, but I can’t just replace meat in my meat stew with tofu. The more time passes the more vegan recipes I have in my repertoire. I do try to avoid red meat and replace it with chicken or fish though, honestly I care more about the health aspect than the ethical one.
AceOnTrack@lemmy.blahaj.zone · -1 pts · 298d
But eating meat does not involve fucking animals in the process? What kind of weirdo butcher you were going to.
bumblefumble@mander.xyz · 14 pts · 298d
Look up cow insemination.
undefined@lemmy.hogru.ch · 12 pts · 298d
I said “fucking with animals” but you already knew that you troll.
AceOnTrack@lemmy.blahaj.zone · -3 pts · 298d
Damn, someone's on a hare trigger. It was just a joke mate I got no beef with you.
xkbx@startrek.website · 3 pts · 298d
Oi maybe you should buy them a beer tho
AceOnTrack@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 0 pts · 298d
It was beef but I guess I talk more about beer than beef for the autocorrect
Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 298d
It's certainly an inconvenient hurdle to clear to become vegetarian, let alone vegan.
All starts with being convinced that there is something wrong with eating meat, and usually the conscience takes it from there.
It also doesn't help that our governments subsidize the meat and dairy industries to the point where they are some of the cheapest for people. Remove those subsidies, and people will start to see a reason to make the switch.
ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net · 3 pts · 297d
I was able to switch myself and my family to vegetarian thanks to how good plant based meat alternatives have gotten. If you haven't yet, I highly recommend trying out Impossible meat products. Their burgers put in an air fryer are indistinguishable from real meat for me, same with their ground beef.
I've been able to cook all of my family's favorite meat based recipes with impossible meat with no changes to the recipe, and all of them, who are life-long meat eaters, tell me they can't tell a difference.
remon@ani.social · -1 pts · 298d
And the cheese. Don't forget the cheese.
danc4498@lemmy.world · -3 pts · 298d
Why was this such an unpopular comment???
explodicle@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 298d
Because many of the readers here see it as an ethical issue.
danc4498@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 298d
Their comment wasn’t making judgements of others, it was just a statement of personal feelings. On a memes community no less.
I get frustrated on Lemmy seeing stuff like this. Downvoting a completely innocent comment cause they have a different belief only makes their beliefs look dumb.
Have a conversation and let that conversation rise to the top of the comments.
I see this and think whoever is downvoting has such a fragile world view that it will break if they see a comment that offers a different take.
I just want to point out that the “pro lifers” and trans phobes also think their position is an “ethical” one, and all their decisions are driven by that. Doesn’t make them right just cause they think they’re doing the ethical thing.
explodicle@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 298d
Look I'm not a vegan, I was just trying to answer your question, but you're begging the question really hard.
danc4498@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 298d
In what way am I begging the question? I was using your answer as a basis for my comment.
I would love to know why that comment got so many downvotes. I can’t think of a good reason why.
Edit:
Btw, I recognize you were just giving a theory and not necessarily downvoting for that reason. But it seemed like the correct reason as well.
explodicle@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 297d
Because it's only a completely innocent comment if you accept the premise that consuming meat is not harmful.
elbiter@lemmy.world · -54 pts · 298d
Vegans supply their lack of animal protein with human attention.
atcorebcor@sh.itjust.works · 36 pts · 298d
Idk most vegans I know try not to talk about it and sometimes even hides it due to stigma.
Geth@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 14 pts · 298d
It's the meat heads obsessed with the topic. The only reason most vegans would mention their food preference is because food is part of most peoples life's 3 times a day. But when discovered the questioning is relentless.
astreus@lemmy.ml · 13 pts · 298d
And people always forget. "Why do vegans go on and on about it?" Because we want to be able to eat? For my stag do, my brother forgot THREE times to get me vegan products. THREE. And then complained because I "mention it too much"...I just wanna eat!
buttnugget@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 298d
How do you know someone’s not vegan? Don’t worry, they’ll tell you.
ThirdConsul@lemmy.ml · 0 pts · 297d
I respect animals but I want to keep eating meat, so I tried looking for, you know, more ethical farms.
The best I could find is a chicken that lives a year before it's slaughtered (compared to 60 days or less for factory farming), roams and isn't caged.
It costs 8-12 times more than the cruelty chicken.
God damn.
buttnugget@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 297d
Have you tried impossible type meats or even lab grown meat? I’m not sure how easily you can get the lab grown stuff or if it’s inexpensive enough for decent folks.
ThirdConsul@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 297d
My previous comment should suggest that I look for healthy, natural products.
Impossible burgers is Ultra Processed Foods. Famously even South Park made an episode about it.
Lab grown meat will be the same (because it has to be cheaper than meat to be produced on scale, and because even if it starts healthy it's quality will inevitably go down to make as cheap to produce as possible)
buttnugget@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 297d
“I respect animals” is what I was going by. Decent folks would just buy non meat.
Soulg@ani.social · 5 pts · 298d
Interesting that people on either side are being accused of being obsessed when it's the literal subject of the post we're discussing under
explodicle@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 298d
In any post about veganism, you'll get two types of idealist. People who make this unilateral sacrifice to help the world, and people who get defensive about not making yet another unilateral sacrifice. And they both have a lot to say.
pewgar_seemsimandroid@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 297d
if it wasn't for that vegan teacher and other in the loud minority...
ThatGuyNamedZeus@feddit.org · -97 pts · 298d
Real food has meat in it
Denvil@lemmy.ml · 63 pts · 298d
Real food tastes good, my favorite Indian restaurant has some of the greatest food I've ever eaten, without a trace of meat
No I'm not vegan, I like meat, but it's not a necessity in everything
Serinus@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 298d
And we eat wayyyy too much of it. Partly because it's so prevalent that it's the default in most meals.
You don't have to go vegetarian to skip the meat at Taco Bell that you hardly notice anyway.
zurohki@aussie.zone · 15 pts · 298d
People always say they couldn't give up a good steak, but we're mostly not eating steak, we're eating low quality processed meat and you could swap that with other protein and not notice.
Cethin@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 298d
Yeah, if people kept eating steak at the same rate, but reduced or stopped eating all the garbage meat, they and the world would be a healthier happier place. I'm not against eating meat, but I am against they typical western, especially American, focus on eating so much of it.
liuther9@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 298d
As a person who loves eating meat (fish and chicken mostly) I agree that I love some veg dishes
Cethin@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 298d
Fun fact! In English, the word meat does not include fish (at least usually). You can thank the Catholics for that one.
buttnugget@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 298d
At this point in American English, there is no question that meat includes fish.
Cethin@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 298d
I think it should, but I don't think it does. The first definition that shows up when I search the word: "The edible flesh of animals, especially that of mammals as opposed to that of fish or poultry." It explicitly excludes fish, though I do think poultry is generally considered meat, so maybe this isn't perfect. Every definition that is about flesh from a creature seems to exclude fish though.
The distinction of fish not being meat is the reason why the pescetarian diet exists. It's a diet next to vegetarian, but allows fish. The don't eat "meat."
ThatGuyNamedZeus@feddit.org · -37 pts · 298d
real food has meat in it
whimsy@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 298d
Doesn't really check out with your prejudices
ThatGuyNamedZeus@feddit.org · 0 pts · 297d
There are only two kinds of people I have prejudice against. vegans, and the ruling class
idiomaddict@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 298d
All hail Ron Swanson. Truly, what an original thought.
tostiman@sh.itjust.works · 14 pts · 298d
Ding dong your opinion is wrong.
reddifuge@lemmy.world · -5 pts · 298d
The weak eat meat. 2nd class protein filled with fat and cholesterol.
No wonder almost 80% of Americans are fat sacks of shit.