I've always had a soft spot for the word rizz. Not just is it a shortening of charisma, so more sensible than other zoomer words, but I grew up playing D&D, where wisdom is frequently shortened to Wis, and Cha is bad to say and doesn't rhyme.
So, calling someone a bast-ard, implies that their mother slept around on many beds that weren't the marriage bed. Does that mean it all comes back to calling your mother a whore?
Comparing the subject to an animal, such as a dog.
Slurs for various minorities.
Names for 'vulgar' body parts, or the act of sex itself.
Names for human waste products.
Literal 'curse words', such as "damn" or "hell", which imply the subject will go to, or just allude to the existence of, the Christian hell.
Literal swears, as in oaths. This is pretty rare in modern English aside from "I swear to god... ". The word "gadzooks" is actually a minced version of "God's Hooks" (the nails used in the crucifixion), which was probably shortened from "I swear on God's Hooks". Its pretty funny how something that was probably deadly serious in the past has been diluted so much that now only cartoon characters say it.
Literal profanity, as in invoking the holy in an improper context. This has a lot of overlap with the previous two categories.
I don't really know anything about linguistics, but these seem like the categories to me. In addition to the "alludes to the sexual impropriety of the subject (if female) or the subject's mother (if male)" category.
one that is characterized by performing some action, possessing some quality, or being associated with some thing especially conspicuously or excessively
The main point is that it's generally just a pejorative suffix.
Citing the Trésor de la langue française informatisé, however, Wiktionary puts forward a surprisingly cogent counterargument and alternative etymology to the "packsaddle" one for "bastard".
French still has this feature, for instance a driver is a chauffeur, and a bad driver is a chauffard. Some one who goes overboard with partying is a fêtard, etc.
It's not "too" something; it's just being strong (hardy) or remarkable in that trait. A lot of sources list it as derogatory, but it isn't so in all instances of use.
A wizard is not too wise, but very wise. Renard or Reinhardt is someone who gives good advice or makes good decisions.
The "must" in mustard is juice and pulp which you intend to ferment, because grape must was an ingredient. There's a lot of debate over whether the "ard" is the one in this post or ardens (burning).
The "must" in mustard is juice and pulp which you intend to ferment, because grape must was an ingredient. There's a lot of debate over whether the "ard" is the one in this post or ardens (burning).
So the mustard seed was named after (as in post) the condiment?
Yes. It's not too unusual for that sort of thing to happen. Feverfew and lungwort are plants named after their medicinal uses, and the tea plant and rubber tree are named for what they produce. Wheat means white, referring to the ground flour.
A lot of things might have had other names before a use was discovered, or they just might not have been named by anyone yet. I think most plants have probably had lots of different regional names within the same language. Flowers seem to collect a lot of names; I think they make us poetic because they tended to interact with human culture in many ways.
It could have a negative connotation. One could be a genuine wise man or essentially a snake oil salesman, so the word could be applied in both ways. It's like how we use "genius" as an insult; we're using the word in an ironic and sarcastic way.
Here is a collection of various uses throughout history:
Ah yes, in English it apparently means ‘-ly’, in German it means ‘Arbeitsgemeinschaft der öffentlich-rechtlichen Rundfunkanstalten der Bundesrepublik Deutschland’… I guess some languages are just more expressive than others.
See also: haggard, laggard, braggart (this one changed to a ‘t’ for some reason), dastard, dullard, and a few others. It’s uncommon but it’s out there!
My utterly baseless theory on braggart is that those folks have always been so MF irritating, through history, that people pronouncing the word just tend to do so using a clipped, terse voice.
"Oh, m'lady, pray tell? T'was Kevin spinning such fanciful yarns for thee? (grits teeth) UGH, that braggart"
According to etymonline, it's from the French estandart meaning a military banner, or from the Medieval Latin standardum. These in turn possibly come from the old Frankish standhard, so literally to stand hard like a flag or a long-standing tradition.
“-ard” would mean not so much “excessively” as “by their/its nature”; i.e. a seed/condiment whose very nature is mustiness, a person conceived out of wedlock (which was considered a black mark on one’s character back then), one who is habitually drunk, and so on
Un animal de bât is indeed a pack saddle animal, and bâtard is indeed a bastard so that's pretty cool. Never realised the connection!
-ard in French is also often a negative suffix, like connard which would be a... "cuntard" if you will. -asse is the feminine variant, although there are inconsistencies, such as pétard / pétasse which are probably related but one is a firecracker, while the other is a tart (the lady kind)
It's thought to be a misunderstanding between French speakers and German surnames. Francophones presumed it was a trade suffix the way in English someone who bakes is a baker. English is a salad of confusion between these two.
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imsufferableninja@sh.itjust.works · 122 pts · 168d
My brain feels Expandard
tyler@programming.dev · 32 pts · 168d
The exact sentence I came to post. Apparently we all think alike.
Davel23@fedia.io · 15 pts · 168d
Thirded.
kionay@lemmy.world · 28 pts · 168d
Thirdard*
AlfalFaFail@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 168d
Alikeard if you ask me.
superfes@lemmy.world · 69 pts · 168d
Where's the custard?
toynbee@piefed.social · 28 pts · 168d
athatet@lemmy.zip · 20 pts · 168d
Shit piss fuck cunt cocksucker motherfucker tits fart turd and twat
There you go. I cust too much.
degen@midwest.social · 2 pts · 166d
I will always appreciate the blink182 version
jedibob5@lemmy.world · 56 pts · 168d
So a lizard must be an excess of Liz?
MonkeMischief@lemmy.today · 40 pts · 168d
Oh no, people are gonna start being called "Rizzards" soon.
Khrux@ttrpg.network · 7 pts · 168d
I've always had a soft spot for the word rizz. Not just is it a shortening of charisma, so more sensible than other zoomer words, but I grew up playing D&D, where wisdom is frequently shortened to Wis, and Cha is bad to say and doesn't rhyme.
atopi@piefed.blahaj.zone · 5 pts · 168d
language evolves; it will transform intro "Lizards"
this actually the plan of The Government™ ran by evil reptilian people
psud@aussie.zone · 2 pts · 162d
In that case it should be used ironically on people with no rizz
Dicska@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 168d
The opposite of Thin Lizzy.
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 4 pts · 168d
There used to be a lot of excess Lizzo, but she lost weight on GLP1s, like everybody else in Hollywood.
Asetru@feddit.org · 2 pts · 167d
And a leopard?
VivianRixia@piefed.social · 40 pts · 168d
So, calling someone a bast-ard, implies that their mother slept around on many beds that weren't the marriage bed. Does that mean it all comes back to calling your mother a whore?
rockerface@lemmy.cafe · 41 pts · 168d
As is every insult
drosophila@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 13 pts · 168d
I think in English there is also:
I don't really know anything about linguistics, but these seem like the categories to me. In addition to the "alludes to the sexual impropriety of the subject (if female) or the subject's mother (if male)" category.
FuglyDuck@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 168d
“Yer daddy was a 2 pump chump!”
Edit: Not sure how that comes back to “mom’s a whore”
darkdemize@sh.itjust.works · 10 pts · 168d
Because she clearly needed more than two pumps.
FuglyDuck@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 168d
Most people do. Not her fault
fartographer@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 167d
-the barista staring blankly at me in hopes that I'll just answer how much mocha syrup I wanted-
melvisntnormal@feddit.uk · 33 pts · 168d
ahh so that's why charizard is so hot
tryagain@sopuli.xyz · 12 pts · 168d
¡Más chorizo!
BigBrainBrett2517@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 167d
👏👏👏
TheTechnician27@lemmy.world · 33 pts · 168d
This is largely true. English takes '-ard' from Old French. MW defines it as:
The main point is that it's generally just a pejorative suffix.
Citing the Trésor de la langue française informatisé, however, Wiktionary puts forward a surprisingly cogent counterargument and alternative etymology to the "packsaddle" one for "bastard".
helvetpuli@sopuli.xyz · 11 pts · 168d
French still has this feature, for instance a driver is a chauffeur, and a bad driver is a chauffard. Some one who goes overboard with partying is a fêtard, etc.
fartographer@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 167d
Why would they have a second pejorative for someone who is excessively overbo?
stray@pawb.social · 32 pts · 168d
It's not "too" something; it's just being strong (hardy) or remarkable in that trait. A lot of sources list it as derogatory, but it isn't so in all instances of use.
A wizard is not too wise, but very wise. Renard or Reinhardt is someone who gives good advice or makes good decisions.
The "must" in mustard is juice and pulp which you intend to ferment, because grape must was an ingredient. There's a lot of debate over whether the "ard" is the one in this post or ardens (burning).
Uruanna@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 168d
Thanks, that one was strangard.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 167d
So the mustard seed was named after (as in post) the condiment?
stray@pawb.social · 2 pts · 166d
Yes. It's not too unusual for that sort of thing to happen. Feverfew and lungwort are plants named after their medicinal uses, and the tea plant and rubber tree are named for what they produce. Wheat means white, referring to the ground flour.
A lot of things might have had other names before a use was discovered, or they just might not have been named by anyone yet. I think most plants have probably had lots of different regional names within the same language. Flowers seem to collect a lot of names; I think they make us poetic because they tended to interact with human culture in many ways.
FishFace@piefed.social · 2 pts · 168d
"Wizard" historically had a negative connotation though.
It's to be expected that an old suffix can have multiple meanings.
stray@pawb.social · 6 pts · 168d
It could have a negative connotation. One could be a genuine wise man or essentially a snake oil salesman, so the word could be applied in both ways. It's like how we use "genius" as an insult; we're using the word in an ironic and sarcastic way.
Here is a collection of various uses throughout history:
https://www.oed.com/dictionary/wizard_n?tab=meaning_and_use
Skullgrid@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 168d
A fox!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbXiG9lTwAM
FosterMolasses@leminal.space · 28 pts · 168d
I love etymology
tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip · 54 pts · 168d
Me too! Bugs are great.
https://xkcd.com/1012/
cori@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 51 pts · 168d
people who confuse entomology and etymology bug me in ways i can't put into words
tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip · 22 pts · 168d
classic
parody@lemmings.world · 2 pts · 168d
Etymology
: A branch of linguistics concerned with etymologies (origin/history of words)
Entomology
: A branch of zoology that deals with insects
tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 168d
https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/1012:_Wrong_Superhero
libre_warrior@lemmy.ml · 0 pts · 167d
Why?
psud@aussie.zone · 2 pts · 162d
Why wouldn't you?
lvxferre@mander.xyz · 28 pts · 168d
qarbone@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 168d
I'm going to turn "wizard" back into an insult. Some smart-aleck tries to act bougie: "fuck off, wizard"
Gyroplast@pawb.social · 6 pts · 168d
Pronounce it
/ˈwaɪzɝd/for added effect! Don't go overboard, though, or you may be called a custard.allhopelost@piefed.social · 4 pts · 168d
Interestingly now a "queutard" in french slang is someone who uses his queue (=tail, slang for dick) a lot, or wants to at least.
AlfalFaFail@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 168d
Fucktards be making fuck all the way to the parking lot.
lvxferre@mander.xyz · 1 pts · 167d
AlfalFaFail@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 167d
Oh man... I can't believe I missed that origin. Yeah... You're absolutely right about that.
Hupf@feddit.org · 26 pts · 168d
quink@lemmy.ml · 11 pts · 168d
Ah yes, in English it apparently means ‘-ly’, in German it means ‘Arbeitsgemeinschaft der öffentlich-rechtlichen Rundfunkanstalten der Bundesrepublik Deutschland’… I guess some languages are just more expressive than others.
hessenjunge@discuss.tchncs.de · 10 pts · 168d
The -ard here refers to the overabundace of regional channels: HR, WDR, SWR, NDR, BR, RBB, MDR, etc. pp.
MurrayL@lemmy.world · 25 pts · 168d
See also: haggard, laggard, braggart (this one changed to a ‘t’ for some reason), dastard, dullard, and a few others. It’s uncommon but it’s out there!
PolarKraken@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 167d
My utterly baseless theory on braggart is that those folks have always been so MF irritating, through history, that people pronouncing the word just tend to do so using a clipped, terse voice.
"Oh, m'lady, pray tell? T'was Kevin spinning such fanciful yarns for thee? (grits teeth) UGH, that braggart"
I don't care if it's true.
hakase@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 168d
Dotard!
psycho_driver@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 168d
Today I learned I might be too ret.
Khanzarate@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 168d
The root means "slow", BTW, so it does get to join that list.
bryophile@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 167d
I'm no expert at this, but it seems to be the suffix here is 'tard' not 'ard', coming from Latin.
The root already has tard in it, from Latin retardare. It also has the word tard in it, French for late. Retard also means late in French.
Does anyone here know? This post also had me wondering about retard.
null@lemmy.org · 18 pts · 168d
So when people call me a retard they're saying I'm overly moist?
GreenShimada@lemmy.world · 24 pts · 168d
That you have an excess of Ret, not Wet.
C'mon, retard, figure it out.
Klear@quokk.au · 8 pts · 168d
Retard means literally "delayed", ultimately from latin tardus (also see "tardy"), meaning slow. Doesn't seem like it comes from the same suffix.
null@lemmy.org · 4 pts · 168d
I'm just shitposting, don't mind me.
executivechimp@discuss.tchncs.de · 12 pts · 168d
Shittard
CaptPretentious@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 168d
They bring up wizard... But what about bards?
Minizarbi@jlai.lu · 27 pts · 168d
Too b or not too b
FuyuhikoDate@feddit.org · 3 pts · 167d
They are just Too much... Ask every DnD Master.
dovahking@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 168d
I love learning new stuff through memes.
Paulemeister@feddit.org · 14 pts · 168d
What about standard
specimen@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 168d
I think there’s a wacky Japanese comic book about this
Stern@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 168d
I'd say its more bizarre than wacky.
ICastFist@programming.dev · 3 pts · 167d
Don't be too adventurous now
degen@midwest.social · 3 pts · 166d
The body standards are out of this warudo
CrabAndBroom@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 168d
According to etymonline, it's from the French estandart meaning a military banner, or from the Medieval Latin standardum. These in turn possibly come from the old Frankish standhard, so literally to stand hard like a flag or a long-standing tradition.
mech@feddit.org · 13 pts · 168d
This explains my University Report Card.
Trex202@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 168d
Yes, it's too University Report C.
AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space · 12 pts · 168d
“-ard” would mean not so much “excessively” as “by their/its nature”; i.e. a seed/condiment whose very nature is mustiness, a person conceived out of wedlock (which was considered a black mark on one’s character back then), one who is habitually drunk, and so on
Jessica@discuss.tchncs.de · 11 pts · 167d
Hazard is apparently too much danger
fibojoly@sh.itjust.works · 11 pts · 167d
Un animal de bât is indeed a pack saddle animal, and bâtard is indeed a bastard so that's pretty cool. Never realised the connection! -ard in French is also often a negative suffix, like connard which would be a... "cuntard" if you will.
-asse is the feminine variant, although there are inconsistencies, such as pétard / pétasse which are probably related but one is a firecracker, while the other is a tart (the lady kind)
Rude language is always so much fun!
Endymion_Mallorn@kbin.melroy.org · 11 pts · 168d
Someone forgot 'stand'.
Dicska@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 168d
And 'b'.
xx3rawr@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 168d
h
SoulKaribou@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 168d
Ret
Dicska@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 168d
w
jeffep@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 167d
l
froh42@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 168d
Mallard ducks would be very confused about this post.
xx3rawr@sh.itjust.works · 10 pts · 168d
They're very much filled eith "too much" malice
csolisr@hub.azkware.net · 8 pts · 168d
Do not investigate how do they call a person that retes
protist@mander.xyz · 18 pts · 168d
Apparently that one doesn't follow this rule, and is instead derived from the Latin word "retardare," meaning "to make something go slower."
csolisr@hub.azkware.net · 7 pts · 168d
As a Spanish speaker, I was already aware of that, but imagine if someone thought that the act of reting was a thing by analogy
Speiser0@feddit.org · 7 pts · 168d
So what is a guard?
Cracks_InTheWalls@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 168d
Too protective/remarkably protective? I made this up, but if usage started with peasantry or something it kind of makes sense.
Alberat@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 168d
you sound like a smartard
Cracks_InTheWalls@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 167d
First time I've been called that kind of -ard.
FuglyDuck@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 168d
So…
What is Dast?
(The word that means what we typically use Bastard for is Dastard.)
AlfalFaFail@lemmy.ml · 9 pts · 168d
parody@lemmings.world · 5 pts · 168d
types of ard
• must
• bast
• wiz
• cow
• Reinh
• das
frank@sopuli.xyz · 7 pts · 168d
Mall 🦆
AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space · 4 pts · 168d
mallard: … 2. (archaic) a shopaholic
AlfalFaFail@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 168d
FishFace@piefed.social · 3 pts · 168d
dazed
shrugs@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 167d
What about retard? SCNR
Chais@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 167d
Also
BigBenis@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 167d
Jean-Luc Pic
Stern@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 168d
Mine is Blowh
veniasilente@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 168d
How about regard? Even tho it's also a verb.
Bongles@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 168d
You're too reg? Sounds like it could've been gen z slang in another timeline, like mid.
veniasilente@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 167d
...omg I'm mid!
degen@midwest.social · 4 pts · 166d
Unironically, what about Blizz?
halowpeano@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 164d
https://www.etymonline.com/word/blizzard
Maybe "an excess of blaze (of gunfire)"?
cypherpunks@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 166d
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_bustards
5715@feddit.org · 4 pts · 168d
goonard? looksarding?
FreshLight@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 168d
So someone e.g. named Leonard Thiel that embodies themselves too much is a Leotard?
Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 167d
I’ve heard that the term “son of a gun” has a similar origin.
See, when a sailing vessel would visit port all the whores would row out to meet it. They’d be hauled into the gun ports and… ply their wares.
Since they didn’t know who in the gun crew was the father, their boys were “sons of a gun”
affenlehrer@feddit.org · 3 pts · 168d
Doesn't work in German (also a Germanic language like English):
hedgehogging_the_bed@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 168d
It's thought to be a misunderstanding between French speakers and German surnames. Francophones presumed it was a trade suffix the way in English someone who bakes is a baker. English is a salad of confusion between these two.
MousePotatoDoesStuff@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 168d
This reminds me of a card-based cooking game, Cookard... which does, in fact, contain an overabundance of cooking.
fakeman_pretendname@feddit.uk · 2 pts · 168d
Slovene@feddit.nl · 2 pts · 167d
So Richard is too rich? Is that why he's a Dick?
Almacca@aussie.zone · 2 pts · 167d
What a smartard.
jpablo68@infosec.pub · 1 pts · 167d
There's also Spaniard...
SailorFuzz@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 167d
HarvARD
cypherpunks@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 168d
howard's awkward canard
libre_warrior@lemmy.ml · 0 pts · 167d
There are too many hoardards in our world.