I often end up buying the music anyway, but sometimes I need a while to decide if I actually like a piece of music, or which of the albums of a new-to-me artist I want to buy.
True, never looked back since MP3/FLAC existed.
They pay for a service where they can't even download music and can't even listen to it when there's no service.
And when I'm at a home party where someone insists on playing from Spotify I don't even bother anymore with a request.
"oh they don't seem to have it in their collection, sorry. Can I please you with something more mainstream in between the commercials?"
How far we have come in 2026.
Because you're still listening to their music ? Do you buy the merch of thousands of producers who make ambient music? Do I need to have the ambient track hit me in a way that all the others don't before they are worthy of being paid?
I duno, how do you guys find new music to listen to?
Sometimes I'll just put a playlist on with 1000 tracks in it, maybe a couple I like, most are ok, some of them i skip, in my world they all get paid, in your world only a tiny tiny fraction of them do
There used to be plenty of music stores where you could listen to the music before you bought it. They all died because of Spotify. Good job supporting an industry that killed physical media, pushes AI "music" to the masses and enables Nazi podcasters. Nice fucking Job.
Also, Go to Bandcamp. You can listen to all the music there. Then you can decide to buy the music and in return you get to download the FLAC files. Most artists even let you decide how much you want to pay. You come off as someone who's never taken a step out into the world and just gobbles everything up that is spoonfed to you.
Paying spotify to punish artists and pay industry bodies who in turn funnel money to rightoid hate groups is worse than starving artists.
Also, most artists get fuck all from Spotify or any of the streamers. Its a dead model and the only thing we're guilty of is felony contempt of business model.
Fuck it, real fans steal the music and turn up to gigs.
Paying spotify to punish artists and pay industry bodies who in turn funnel money to rightoid hate groups is worse than starving artists.
Let me know how suing people for downloading music on Limewire works out for you
Also, most artists get fuck all from Spotify or any of the streamers
There's more music released every minute that can be listened to in a lifetime, this is what happens when supply outstrips demand
Fuck it, real fans steal the music and turn up to gigs.
That's cool and all but not every artist does gigs and most people don't go to them, so there needs to be something for the other 99% of people, which conveniently, is called Spotify or Qobuz
Theres also a lot of aritists having their media streamed by these companies who get absolutely zero because they're being robbed by Spotify and the industry at large
Just because Taylor Swift gets her cut doesn't mean its just and fair.
Infact, I'd say thats just concentrating wealth in the hands of power again.. So.. uhh.. I'mma keep "stealing" it and buying band merch instead.
And before Spotify, artists were able to make more money with physical media, that the customers owned for life. Spotify essentially made the situation worse for both the artist and the consumer.
It's unofficially done by some Devs in their free time. I low key hate that it's publicised as having a Linux client, other devices also have unofficial clients.
Tidal also has Tidal-HiFi, an electron wrapper of the web client that enables HiFi music, which is pretty much all I care for a desktop client. It also pays artists much better so... Yeah.
I don't need the music industry using my money for forward anti-consumer practices, thanks. Its unethical to buy music from the industry. Go see a gig, buy a shirt.
Wait what. I know some platforms for managing podcasts like Anchor shove in ads, sometimes even mid sentence, but this is the first I hear of Spotify itself inserting them
This is what made a lot of people I know stop using Spotify for podcasts.
My coworker told me they were listening to a podcast, and while the podcasts host were mid ad read for their sponsor, Spotify put an ad in.
So he got an ad during an ad.
Podcasters that upload to Spotify have the option of inserting ads and making money from this
Most of my podcasts don't but some do, actually I think the ABC is the only one that does, and it says if you don't want to hear advertising use their podcast app, so maybe it's a way of punishing us for not using their app
Then again besides the ABC's If you're listening all my other podcasts are french language learning ones...
I don't care for podcasts at all, it's just because they're adjacent to the app I use the most that I stumbled upon them, the ones I listen to don't have ads except the abc's if you're listening and it's what, 30 seconds for something I listen to maybe once a month?
Did they stop just grabbing podcasts from the free web and playing them in Spotify? I remember from a few years ago that some podcasts were complaining and willing to sue Spotify for stealing their content.
https://github.com/spotbye/SpotiFLAC for stealing raw FLACs from fucking Tidal using Spotify metadata because I guess their shit is about as secure as a picnic basket held closed with an anti-bear ziptie.
I don't think so. I use audiobookshelf's companion app on my phone, which does. audiobookshelf manages all the subscriptions and pulling and whatnot, it seems to do a decent job keeping me sane on the commute.
Thanks, Gonna check this one out then, having multiple play queues sounds awesome. Currently I'm having to use VLC and blackplayer so I can go back and forth between podcasts and music without losing my place.
It's definitely worth at least checking out the free trial, it's the best music player I've ever used on any platform. The dev is also very active and there are new features dropping constantly
You get 30 minutes of ad-free listening, but not all in a row. Sounds like you got 8 minutes worth already; after this ad, you can get another 8 minutes.
Real radio be like: 30 minutes of music free ads. I literally stopped listening to FM radio because I would drive to another town 45 minutes away and not hear a single fucking song.
I'm a school bus driver and in the mornings the kids beg me to play music on the radio. So I turn it on, set it to "SCAN" and then I don't hear one fucking actual song the entire rest of the ride. Even the local classical station is somehow just people babbling.
Oof. Your bus doesn't happen to have a way of using one of those Bluetooth FM blaster things does it? Just play something off your phone through that tuned to the right station on the radio. The one I drove didn't havr nothing for that, but mine was old as shit. Tho I guess not old enough to have a cigarette lighter port for the kids that smoked.
Our buses have an aux input jack. I just don't ever feel like messing around with an aux cable and USB-C adapter just for 15 minutes of music. Although i would really enjoy making my elementary school kids listen to Shpongle.
When I was 19 I was in a band with this really strange kid. He was super charismatic though, and just seemed to make friends with anybody he met. One of those people happened to be this 40 year old bus driver. We went over his place one time to smoke a joint, and he showed us his grow room. This was in like 2005 or so, so all very illegal. He got in my face about not telling anybody and how I better not be a narc. Anyway... Then we ate some pot brownies and watched a movie. The brownie I ate wasn't doing anything so I ate another and learned a very important life lesson about edibles. If you're not feeling the first one, don't eat the second one. I was high as fuck. Banished to the shadow realm, some might say. Took a few hours to regain my composure and walked home. It was a weird fuckin night.
So yeah. Probably anecdotal but "what do school bus drivers do when not driving a school bus?" - grow weed, and eat pot brownies with teenage punk rockers and watch movies.
Not a bus driver but I've seen enough of them to answer this question.
When they aren't driving the bus, they are either waiting for kids to get on or off the bus or they are briefly investigating who threw the stray projectile that hit them before they pulled over but usually settle for the complete silence as each kid pretends to not remember what throwing even is, let alone admit who threw anything. That silence never lasts more than a minute after they start driving again, though sometimes it will only be whispers for a while if the bus driver screamed in rage or broke down in tears.
You can sue them. If is not specified that must be in a row you CAN sue, or at least you can report them with the competent organization. It's in normal language, not legal language. People using spotify are not lawyers, are normal people. If the thing says "30 minutes free" it do must mean that, no "ooohhh you mean, 30 minutes, like, in row??" bullshit.
Fuck Spotify. Also, I can't hear the music that I want in their free plan, because I choose some song and the platform plays whatever they want. Again, fuck them.
Yup. And sometime last year they made getting a cracked version of Spotify an incredible pain in the ass and the guy updating the crack stopped supporting it and instead is choosing to focus on YouTube ReVanced.
My library on Spotify is over 6k songs. Been trying to slowly get them downloaded onto my phone.
I don't know if you can do something similar in the USA or any other country, but in México, we have PROFECO. You can call them and tell them that some company is providing products or services using false advertising, even if those are "free". It is called "protect the consumer".
And yet, I've still not seen an advert on youtube since.. 2020? maybe? Sometimes it spins a bit while ublock and youtubes advertising code fights it out, but its almost never stopped working.
They're dumb as fuck, or they know what they're doing is dumb as fuck. But the emporer must have their new clothes and something must be done at the great expenditure of manpower specifically to enshittify the internet further.
If the google folks weren't stupid, they'd be doing something else. Atleast they're not the same goobas running Azure.
Man I haven’t gotten that “30 minutes of uninterrupted listening” shit in a few months. I swear, they’ve been slowly increasing the amount of ads per song, from like 1 ad per 4 songs to I shit you not, 2 ads per song. I usually have to restart the web page since it gets stuck on desktop, or close the app on mobile. They’re probably overcompensating since they’re salty they aren’t getting any revenue from me.
I'll never understand why people don't just make playlists of music and save it down locally.
I had no less than sixteen hours of music in CDs stuffed in my glove box back in college. Would cycle through that maybe once or twice a month. Maybe I'd throw on a little NPR if I was curious about the news. But why on God's Green Earth would you subject yourself to the garbage radio networks available in the modern era?
It isn't really that difficult. I have a cheap, newish Motorola phone (3 years old) and all I have to do is make sure when plugging into the PC I switch the USB mode when it pops up.
Then it's literally no different from using the normal file browser. Get you a good media app and find the file storage path. (Hell, Musicolet, a fantastic, free, offline music manager, literally makes you create/select the file path yourself on first launch) then just drag and drop into it like any other folder.
Or get a program like MusicBee and just have it set to sync that directory.
I for example like the fresh experience so i really enjoy spotify discover weekly to listen through and find something i can put into my playlist. So in a way i dont have fixed playlist just my liked list
But i also pay for spotify beacuse i listen to so much music with constant new additions to my playlist i legitematly think its one subscription thats worth the money and pretty much the only one i even use with the exception of a month of Netflix when new bogdan boner egzorcysta drops on Netflix roughly once a year ( not really possible to buy separately, but that man is a genius of polish cinematography so i will suffer through it so that he may get my support and continue his work ).
I hate the pay for ad-free subscription model. They use people's personal data to optimize the experience, making their ads as annoying and disorienting as possible.
When Reddit first unveiled their subscription, they began spamming my phone with obnoxious herpes advertisements. The ad just said "Herpes?" in big purple letters. Since this particular subject invoked a sense of fear and anxiety, it made me more likely to pay for their removal.
It's not telling you that you will receive 30 minutes of ad-free listening. It's suggesting that you do that by upgrading to a more expensive tier. Or by other means 🏴☠️
If you don't have a particularly large collection, use yt-dl to get audio files and store them locally on your devices (or possibly on an SD card if your phone still supports one)
Hey we said you get 30 minutes we never said consecutive… I bet you have like a bank of stored minutes and they continue expiring while you’re not listening. So legally you get the full 30 minutes…. Just not when you expected to.
He was scammed of his time watching the long ad that promised ad free 30 min. The revenue Spotify gets from advertising companies is only there because users listen to those ads, so users are also providing a service to Spotify.
It also comes down to whether or not it's reasonable to expect to be able to access streaming media for free. You are making a choice: listen to advertisements, or pay the subscription.
That they already agreed to when listening to the ad that promised 30min ad free. I agree with you conceptually though. The scam is not on ads showing up, it's on the subversion of expectations. They were told X and it didn't happen, it's normal to feel scammed.
It’s a bit complicated really. They distribute money all over the place, and then the artist gets paid.
It’s kind of the “industry standard,” which sucks, but Spotify pays out less than industry standard. I could go on a rant about how they suffocate indie artists to ensure major labels get their share, but I’ll spare you lol.
Lots of artists make millions, it's just that music is so easy to make these days that there is more artists and songs than ever, more music gets released in a day than in the entire year 1985, so you need to be somewhat vaguely popular to make decent money, you can't just make a few songs and expect to live off the royalties, there's 12 year olds releasing music these days
Spotify gets their subscription money and ad fees, keeps 30%, then the remaining 70% gets split between all labels, songwriters, publishers, etc., and smaller artists (no label, self-release) get a percentage of your plays in your “market.”
So you end up getting fractions of a penny ($0.004) per play.
Started in 1999 (local label, then Roadrunner), went solo (three labels, biggest I won’t mention), quit in 2014.
Started again in 2017, been doing it ever since as a hobby. Touring is incredibly expensive now. The only real way to break even is by selling advance tickets (for venue assurance), selling merch, and hoping people will by physical media.
In Europe, touring is harder because of venues taxing merch in my experience. Transportation is a bit cheaper, but still a grind, and you’re lucky to break even.
Spotify and other streaming services are a blessing and a curse: the biggest labels can push spins, and services get paid from that + ad revenue. Indie artists get pushed downward, unless they’re playlisted a lot.
it's complicated, it's based on what plan the person listening to you is on (people on the free ad supported plan pay the least, those on premium the most), what country you're in (poorer countries payout less), what % of total streams you're getting, what your label has negotiated with you, etcetc
Getting rid of the ad supported plan would raise the average payouts quite a bit but Spotify has argued it is better to keep the plan and have people only pay for a little bit than return to the old days of music piracy where artists were getting nothing and had resorted to the RIAA suing people
Isn't Spotify so cheap, that there's no point in using the free version? I'm using Tidal and it is, in fact, so cheap that there is no point in using the free version.
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Cruxifux@feddit.nl · 117 pts · 141d
I’ll just keep downloading music thanks.
SethTaylor@lemmy.world · 51 pts · 140d
rumschlumpel@feddit.org · 3 pts · 138d
yt-dlp https://xyzrecords.bandcamp.com/track/blaI often end up buying the music anyway, but sometimes I need a while to decide if I actually like a piece of music, or which of the albums of a new-to-me artist I want to buy.
dr_robotBones@reddthat.com · 1 pts · 90d
Is music still as cheap as it used to be?
rumschlumpel@feddit.org · 1 pts · 89d
Taking general inflation into account, yeah pretty much.
Bloomcole@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 141d
True, never looked back since MP3/FLAC existed.
They pay for a service where they can't even download music and can't even listen to it when there's no service.
And when I'm at a home party where someone insists on playing from Spotify I don't even bother anymore with a request.
"oh they don't seem to have it in their collection, sorry. Can I please you with something more mainstream in between the commercials?"
How far we have come in 2026.
87Six@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 140d
Vlc download and streaming tool my beloved
Eyekaytee@aussie.zone · -46 pts · 141d
paying artists nothing is worse than paying them a little
Whostosay@sh.itjust.works · 45 pts · 141d
You do know that artists sell their music online, right?
Darnton@piefed.zip · 23 pts · 141d
I download and then I buy the actual physical media releases from the bands I like. Lots of bands even release their own music for download.
Eyekaytee@aussie.zone · -9 pts · 140d
what about the bands you don't like? I assume they subscribe to your free with no ads and no money plan?
FluffMongo@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 140d
wait why should my money go to bands i dont like
Eyekaytee@aussie.zone · -9 pts · 140d
Because you're still listening to their music ? Do you buy the merch of thousands of producers who make ambient music? Do I need to have the ambient track hit me in a way that all the others don't before they are worthy of being paid?
Cypher@aussie.zone · 14 pts · 140d
Why would anyone download and listen to music they don’t like…?
Eyekaytee@aussie.zone · 0 pts · 140d
https://open.spotify.com/playlist/6048DIIHRMegUg0IHm7T5m
How do you propose I recompense all the artists on this playlist for example?
That's 8,902 songs
Eyekaytee@aussie.zone · -2 pts · 140d
I duno, how do you guys find new music to listen to?
Sometimes I'll just put a playlist on with 1000 tracks in it, maybe a couple I like, most are ok, some of them i skip, in my world they all get paid, in your world only a tiny tiny fraction of them do
Arcadeep@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 140d
You listen to music you don't like...?
Ibuthyr@lemmy.wtf · 2 pts · 140d
There used to be plenty of music stores where you could listen to the music before you bought it. They all died because of Spotify. Good job supporting an industry that killed physical media, pushes AI "music" to the masses and enables Nazi podcasters. Nice fucking Job.
Also, Go to Bandcamp. You can listen to all the music there. Then you can decide to buy the music and in return you get to download the FLAC files. Most artists even let you decide how much you want to pay. You come off as someone who's never taken a step out into the world and just gobbles everything up that is spoonfed to you.
Eyekaytee@aussie.zone · 0 pts · 140d
Incorrect, the answer we were after is Napster
Cruxifux@feddit.nl · 2 pts · 139d
What an absolutely batshit insane take.
No, you shouldn’t be paid for making something nobody wants. Same reason I think everyone who works in AI should have all their money taken away.
Eyekaytee@aussie.zone · 0 pts · 139d
how did you to come across as a fuckstick and somehow not read what i said
moopet@sh.itjust.works · 18 pts · 141d
"Downloading music" doesn't say anything about whether or not you pay for it.
exu@feditown.com · 17 pts · 141d
https://bandcamp.com/
greyscale@lemmy.grey.ooo · 12 pts · 140d
Paying spotify to punish artists and pay industry bodies who in turn funnel money to rightoid hate groups is worse than starving artists.
Also, most artists get fuck all from Spotify or any of the streamers. Its a dead model and the only thing we're guilty of is felony contempt of business model.
Fuck it, real fans steal the music and turn up to gigs.
Eyekaytee@aussie.zone · -1 pts · 140d
Let me know how suing people for downloading music on Limewire works out for you
There's more music released every minute that can be listened to in a lifetime, this is what happens when supply outstrips demand
That's cool and all but not every artist does gigs and most people don't go to them, so there needs to be something for the other 99% of people, which conveniently, is called Spotify or Qobuz
greyscale@lemmy.grey.ooo · 2 pts · 140d
Is it even stealing when the front door is open and brings FLACs.
Eyekaytee@aussie.zone · -4 pts · 140d
I don't know if it's stealing but I feel better knowing when I listen to music artists get paid
As someone else pointed out:
That's a lot of artists making music we enjoy who are able to eat at night
greyscale@lemmy.grey.ooo · 7 pts · 140d
Theres also a lot of aritists having their media streamed by these companies who get absolutely zero because they're being robbed by Spotify and the industry at large
Just because Taylor Swift gets her cut doesn't mean its just and fair.
Infact, I'd say thats just concentrating wealth in the hands of power again.. So.. uhh.. I'mma keep "stealing" it and buying band merch instead.
Ibuthyr@lemmy.wtf · 3 pts · 140d
And before Spotify, artists were able to make more money with physical media, that the customers owned for life. Spotify essentially made the situation worse for both the artist and the consumer.
Eyekaytee@aussie.zone · -1 pts · 140d
Damn your memory really goes like this
People going down to the record store to buy CD's
Spotify :D
You really missed out a whole decade of music piracy and CD sales falling through the floor
IronBird@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 140d
artists dont get shit from spotify...ypu want to support artists buy their merch
Eyekaytee@aussie.zone · -6 pts · 140d
Today, Spotify accounts for roughly 30% of recorded music revenue.
More artists get more money from Spotify than from anywhere else
Last post from me, I'm not here to educate every left wing boomer
froufox@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 87 pts · 141d
obligatory fuck spotify. the worst streaming service ever https://youtu.be/x6x5t0cj1sM
trxxruraxvr@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 141d
Also the only one with a Linux client
fushuan@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 23 pts · 141d
It's unofficially done by some Devs in their free time. I low key hate that it's publicised as having a Linux client, other devices also have unofficial clients.
Tidal also has Tidal-HiFi, an electron wrapper of the web client that enables HiFi music, which is pretty much all I care for a desktop client. It also pays artists much better so... Yeah.
Eyekaytee@aussie.zone · 1 pts · 139d
https://tidal.com/pricing
I can't see any free tier, does this mean you're telling the OP and all free users of Spotify to get fucked?
For all intents and purposes it's the same client, I see no difference between the 'official' client on Windows and the Linux version
greyscale@lemmy.grey.ooo · 0 pts · 140d
https://github.com/spotbye/SpotiFLAC Why use Tidal when you can just take the FLACs from Tidal for free?
fushuan@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 10 pts · 140d
Because the product is good and artists earn money that way. Idk.
greyscale@lemmy.grey.ooo · 3 pts · 140d
I don't need the music industry using my money for forward anti-consumer practices, thanks. Its unethical to buy music from the industry. Go see a gig, buy a shirt.
ximtor@lemmy.zip · 13 pts · 141d
I rather use the page directly and have ublock deal with ads
ExistingConsumingSpace@midwest.social · 3 pts · 140d
There's an unofficial one for Pandora as well. I'm not claiming Pandora is a great service, it just comes ad free with my phone plan.
protist@retrofed.com · 3 pts · 140d
While it's got its faults, I'm a Pandora guy and find it vastly superior to Spotify, particularly when trying to find new music
froufox@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 140d
i use web and android apps for yt music and bandcamp
gopher@programming.dev · 2 pts · 140d
For Qobuz there is an unofficial native client, with DAC passthrough: https://github.com/vicrodh/qbz
Works very well.
puppycat@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 140d
i use the th-ch gitHub for youtube music on linux (also has ad blockers, themes, and plugins)
edit: i think its actually called pear desktop now?
NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone · 73 pts · 141d
I’m more bothered by there being ads inserted in podcasts when I’m a paying customer tbh
Zanshi@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 141d
Wait what. I know some platforms for managing podcasts like Anchor shove in ads, sometimes even mid sentence, but this is the first I hear of Spotify itself inserting them
vodka@feddit.org · 31 pts · 140d
This is what made a lot of people I know stop using Spotify for podcasts.
My coworker told me they were listening to a podcast, and while the podcasts host were mid ad read for their sponsor, Spotify put an ad in. So he got an ad during an ad.
ExistingConsumingSpace@midwest.social · 20 pts · 140d
Thanks, Xzibit.
DahGangalang@infosec.pub · 8 pts · 141d
Can confirm. I got annoyed with it and moved away from Spotify for podcasts a year or two ago. #NoRegrets
lightnsfw@reddthat.com · 2 pts · 140d
Yeah even on free I never got a Spotify add on a podcast. Those were the podcasts themselves putting ads in.
Eyekaytee@aussie.zone · 1 pts · 140d
Podcasters that upload to Spotify have the option of inserting ads and making money from this
Most of my podcasts don't but some do, actually I think the ABC is the only one that does, and it says if you don't want to hear advertising use their podcast app, so maybe it's a way of punishing us for not using their app
Then again besides the ABC's If you're listening all my other podcasts are french language learning ones...
Rekorse@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 140d
Why not just use antennapod?
Eyekaytee@aussie.zone · 1 pts · 140d
I don't care for podcasts at all, it's just because they're adjacent to the app I use the most that I stumbled upon them, the ones I listen to don't have ads except the abc's if you're listening and it's what, 30 seconds for something I listen to maybe once a month?
Rekorse@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 140d
Oh I gotcha that makes sense.
jeffep@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 140d
Did they stop just grabbing podcasts from the free web and playing them in Spotify? I remember from a few years ago that some podcasts were complaining and willing to sue Spotify for stealing their content.
Eyekaytee@aussie.zone · 2 pts · 140d
I can't find anything on this at all
jeffep@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 139d
That was some discourse in the podcasts, in Germany at the time which has a pretty big community
greyscale@lemmy.grey.ooo · 12 pts · 140d
https://www.audiobookshelf.org/ For your podcasts
https://www.navidrome.org/ for your music
https://symfonium.app/ for playback of both
https://github.com/spotbye/SpotiFLAC for stealing raw FLACs from fucking Tidal using Spotify metadata because I guess their shit is about as secure as a picnic basket held closed with an anti-bear ziptie.
lightnsfw@reddthat.com · 3 pts · 140d
Does this have a 10/15sec skip button?
greyscale@lemmy.grey.ooo · 1 pts · 139d
I don't think so. I use audiobookshelf's companion app on my phone, which does. audiobookshelf manages all the subscriptions and pulling and whatnot, it seems to do a decent job keeping me sane on the commute.
penguin@lemmy.pixelpassport.studio · 1 pts · 139d
Yeah it's very customizable too. The audiobookshelf support is in an early experimental stage though, but it does work
lightnsfw@reddthat.com · 1 pts · 139d
Thanks, Gonna check this one out then, having multiple play queues sounds awesome. Currently I'm having to use VLC and blackplayer so I can go back and forth between podcasts and music without losing my place.
penguin@lemmy.pixelpassport.studio · 2 pts · 139d
It's definitely worth at least checking out the free trial, it's the best music player I've ever used on any platform. The dev is also very active and there are new features dropping constantly
FatVegan@leminal.space · 2 pts · 141d
That's why i quit spotify.
RamenJunkie@midwest.social · 1 pts · 140d
Are they inserted ads or ad reads by the podcast themselves?
quack@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 140d
Inserted ads, although in my experience they’re placed by the podcast network rather than Spotify.
courval@lemmy.world · -3 pts · 141d
And you're sponsoring fascists..
KoboldCoterie@pawb.social · 67 pts · 141d
You get 30 minutes of ad-free listening, but not all in a row. Sounds like you got 8 minutes worth already; after this ad, you can get another 8 minutes.
Gullible@sh.itjust.works · 49 pts · 141d
If this is the actual rationale, I will collect someone’s ankles
GraniteM@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 140d
pressedhams@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 140d
MY URETHRA IS SO WIDE I COULD BIRTH THE CHILD MYSELF!
naught101@lemmy.world · 59 pts · 140d
That's supposed to be a comma - "Enjoy 30 minutes of ad, free listening"
Taser@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 12 pts · 140d
No, money down!
islandcoda42@lemmy.zip · 0 pts · 140d
Kolanaki@pawb.social · 51 pts · 140d
Real radio be like: 30 minutes of music free ads. I literally stopped listening to FM radio because I would drive to another town 45 minutes away and not hear a single fucking song.
gibson@sopuli.xyz · 25 pts · 140d
At least real radio doesn't collect your information
underisk@lemmy.ml · 40 pts · 140d
More of a technical limitation than an intentional choice, but sure.
dansemacabreingalone@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 7 pts · 140d
I prefer to call it a 'mechanical failsafe'.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 140d
Until you dial in to one of those give-away events, sure.
bountygiver@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 140d
but that's a very consensual action, they literally have to ask you for those information not just start harvesting in the background
hitmyspot@aussie.zone · 1 pts · 140d
Almost like downloading an app...
bountygiver@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 140d
you don't fill out the information the apps are harvesting directly, it's way less consensual there than verbally filling a form
ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 140d
I'm a school bus driver and in the mornings the kids beg me to play music on the radio. So I turn it on, set it to "SCAN" and then I don't hear one fucking actual song the entire rest of the ride. Even the local classical station is somehow just people babbling.
Kolanaki@pawb.social · 6 pts · 140d
Oof. Your bus doesn't happen to have a way of using one of those Bluetooth FM blaster things does it? Just play something off your phone through that tuned to the right station on the radio. The one I drove didn't havr nothing for that, but mine was old as shit. Tho I guess not old enough to have a cigarette lighter port for the kids that smoked.
ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 140d
Our buses have an aux input jack. I just don't ever feel like messing around with an aux cable and USB-C adapter just for 15 minutes of music. Although i would really enjoy making my elementary school kids listen to Shpongle.
dansemacabreingalone@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 140d
Play them incomprehensible jazz prog and metal. The stuff only the music prodigy will even be able to identify as music.
ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 140d
Angine de Poitrine it is!
LodeMike@lemmy.today · 3 pts · 140d
Music streaming makes this worse. Radio has become a race to the bottom. If you're listening to radio you probably prefer the bullshit gossip.
DaGreenGobbo@feddit.uk · 1 pts · 140d
What do you do when you're not driving a school bus?
MIDItheKID@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 140d
When I was 19 I was in a band with this really strange kid. He was super charismatic though, and just seemed to make friends with anybody he met. One of those people happened to be this 40 year old bus driver. We went over his place one time to smoke a joint, and he showed us his grow room. This was in like 2005 or so, so all very illegal. He got in my face about not telling anybody and how I better not be a narc. Anyway... Then we ate some pot brownies and watched a movie. The brownie I ate wasn't doing anything so I ate another and learned a very important life lesson about edibles. If you're not feeling the first one, don't eat the second one. I was high as fuck. Banished to the shadow realm, some might say. Took a few hours to regain my composure and walked home. It was a weird fuckin night.
So yeah. Probably anecdotal but "what do school bus drivers do when not driving a school bus?" - grow weed, and eat pot brownies with teenage punk rockers and watch movies.
Buddahriffic@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 140d
Not a bus driver but I've seen enough of them to answer this question.
When they aren't driving the bus, they are either waiting for kids to get on or off the bus or they are briefly investigating who threw the stray projectile that hit them before they pulled over but usually settle for the complete silence as each kid pretends to not remember what throwing even is, let alone admit who threw anything. That silence never lasts more than a minute after they start driving again, though sometimes it will only be whispers for a while if the bus driver screamed in rage or broke down in tears.
ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 140d
Ride my bicycle. I'm a retired software engineer.
SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org · 3 pts · 140d
May I introduce you to our lord and savior Groove Salad on SomaFM?
Agent641@lemmy.world · 27 pts · 140d
30 minutes of ad free music. Not all in a row though.
Sabata11792@ani.social · 15 pts · 140d
Dispersed over a 10 year period.
capuccino@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 140d
You can sue them. If is not specified that must be in a row you CAN sue, or at least you can report them with the competent organization. It's in normal language, not legal language. People using spotify are not lawyers, are normal people. If the thing says "30 minutes free" it do must mean that, no "ooohhh you mean, 30 minutes, like, in row??" bullshit.
Fuck Spotify. Also, I can't hear the music that I want in their free plan, because I choose some song and the platform plays whatever they want. Again, fuck them.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 28 pts · 140d
Excited to collect $.26 in damages after six years in court.
JcbAzPx@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 140d
They probably have a forced arbitration clause. Using an arbitrator of their choice, of course.
AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 140d
There's 30 minutes ad free spread over the duration of your subscription. I thought everybody had figured it out.
JennaR8r@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 6 pts · 140d
So, over the course of a year I get 30 minutes that aren't ads?
Doc_Crankenstein@slrpnk.net · 1 pts · 140d
Yup. And sometime last year they made getting a cracked version of Spotify an incredible pain in the ass and the guy updating the crack stopped supporting it and instead is choosing to focus on YouTube ReVanced.
My library on Spotify is over 6k songs. Been trying to slowly get them downloaded onto my phone.
Eyekaytee@aussie.zone · -7 pts · 140d
damn you’re so mad, you should demand a refund for all $0 you’re paying them
capuccino@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 140d
I don't know if you can do something similar in the USA or any other country, but in México, we have PROFECO. You can call them and tell them that some company is providing products or services using false advertising, even if those are "free". It is called "protect the consumer".
Taokan@sh.itjust.works · 21 pts · 140d
In retrospect, it could be hilariously worth it to buy an ad spot and just play that "enjoy 30 minutes of ad free listening" blurb.
Samskara@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 140d
Or buy ad space to play a short song.
chemical_cutthroat@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 141d
Y'all are getting full tracks?
hobata@lemmy.ml · 12 pts · 141d
Usually you just redirect some host names to localhost and all your ad problems magically disappear.
null@lemmy.org · 10 pts · 141d
Google is spending half their R&D budget trying to prevent this on YouTube.
hobata@lemmy.ml · 7 pts · 141d
Google folks aren't stupid to serve ads from different host in their yt.
greyscale@lemmy.grey.ooo · 3 pts · 140d
And yet, I've still not seen an advert on youtube since.. 2020? maybe? Sometimes it spins a bit while ublock and youtubes advertising code fights it out, but its almost never stopped working.
They're dumb as fuck, or they know what they're doing is dumb as fuck. But the emporer must have their new clothes and something must be done at the great expenditure of manpower specifically to enshittify the internet further.
If the google folks weren't stupid, they'd be doing something else. Atleast they're not the same goobas running Azure.
I wouldn't want to be an apparatchik in that org.
87Six@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 140d
Yea they may be a bit clever but they're no match for the guy with no budget in his underwear using his free time to go against them
greyscale@lemmy.grey.ooo · 1 pts · 139d
Yeah its like.. one side has to pay to fight the war, the other does it for the sheer joy of upsetting the former group
Its a losing battle, and only one that "works" if the consumer is a dumbass.
TabbsTheBat@pawb.social · 11 pts · 141d
Damn, they let you get 2 whole songs in? Usually I get 3 ads right after "30 minutes of ad free listening" one
biggerbogboy@sh.itjust.works · 10 pts · 140d
Man I haven’t gotten that “30 minutes of uninterrupted listening” shit in a few months. I swear, they’ve been slowly increasing the amount of ads per song, from like 1 ad per 4 songs to I shit you not, 2 ads per song. I usually have to restart the web page since it gets stuck on desktop, or close the app on mobile. They’re probably overcompensating since they’re salty they aren’t getting any revenue from me.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 140d
I'll never understand why people don't just make playlists of music and save it down locally.
I had no less than sixteen hours of music in CDs stuffed in my glove box back in college. Would cycle through that maybe once or twice a month. Maybe I'd throw on a little NPR if I was curious about the news. But why on God's Green Earth would you subject yourself to the garbage radio networks available in the modern era?
LodeMike@lemmy.today · 3 pts · 140d
Sending files from one device to another has been made intentionally difficult by phone makers.
Doc_Crankenstein@slrpnk.net · 2 pts · 140d
It isn't really that difficult. I have a cheap, newish Motorola phone (3 years old) and all I have to do is make sure when plugging into the PC I switch the USB mode when it pops up.
Then it's literally no different from using the normal file browser. Get you a good media app and find the file storage path. (Hell, Musicolet, a fantastic, free, offline music manager, literally makes you create/select the file path yourself on first launch) then just drag and drop into it like any other folder.
Or get a program like MusicBee and just have it set to sync that directory.
szczuroarturo@programming.dev · 1 pts · 140d
I for example like the fresh experience so i really enjoy spotify discover weekly to listen through and find something i can put into my playlist. So in a way i dont have fixed playlist just my liked list
But i also pay for spotify beacuse i listen to so much music with constant new additions to my playlist i legitematly think its one subscription thats worth the money and pretty much the only one i even use with the exception of a month of Netflix when new bogdan boner egzorcysta drops on Netflix roughly once a year ( not really possible to buy separately, but that man is a genius of polish cinematography so i will suffer through it so that he may get my support and continue his work ).
BygoneNeutrino@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 140d
I hate the pay for ad-free subscription model. They use people's personal data to optimize the experience, making their ads as annoying and disorienting as possible.
When Reddit first unveiled their subscription, they began spamming my phone with obnoxious herpes advertisements. The ad just said "Herpes?" in big purple letters. Since this particular subject invoked a sense of fear and anxiety, it made me more likely to pay for their removal.
ICastFist@programming.dev · 10 pts · 140d
Back when I used spotify, it was exclusively via desktop browser with ublock, never had an ad load
HerbalGamer@sh.itjust.works · 9 pts · 141d
Cracked apks exist, people.
bitchkat@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 140d
Did they say thirty minutes in a row?
svc@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz · 8 pts · 141d
It's not telling you that you will receive 30 minutes of ad-free listening. It's suggesting that you do that by upgrading to a more expensive tier. Or by other means 🏴☠️
umbrella@lemmy.ml · 8 pts · 141d
moopet@sh.itjust.works · 13 pts · 141d
It was LAME to ENCODE music.
stoy@lemmy.zip · 7 pts · 141d
I buy my music track by track on iTunes, I have never got an ad when listening, nor do I have to keep paying for the privilege.
rumschlumpel@feddit.org · 11 pts · 141d
Big fan of Bandcamp here. I assume it's a fairly different set of artists, though.
Also big fan of using adblocked YouTube, and yt-dlp.
RamenJunkie@midwest.social · 3 pts · 140d
Bandcamp for indie artists, though I am starting to see more bigger artists there.
Many bigger artists sell digital albums direct on their websites. If not they sell a CD you can easily rip.
Otherwise I use 7 Digital, then HD Tracks.
fuck_u_spez_in_particular@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 140d
That's the issue... I think it's at least 10 years ago the last time I had a way to read a CD... Times change...
RamenJunkie@midwest.social · 1 pts · 140d
USB CD Drives are like $10-15.
fuck_u_spez_in_particular@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 140d
True, it shouldn't be too much effort to read a CD. Though fortunately all my music so far has properly reached the 2020s (i.e. no CD drive needed...)
Zacryon@feddit.org · 7 pts · 140d
cough Calaboka cough
BilSabab@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 139d
is self-hosted streaming a thing?
chortle_tortle@mander.xyz · 3 pts · 139d
Jellyfin is how I host it. You can connect with Navidrome, the Jellyfin app, or just with a browser.
BilSabab@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 139d
thanks. Gotta check it out.
imjustmsk@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 139d
use the Arr stack, AAARRR sail the seas.
BilSabab@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 139d
Now that's interesting. Gotta look into Arr.
___@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 139d
If you don't have a particularly large collection, use yt-dl to get audio files and store them locally on your devices (or possibly on an SD card if your phone still supports one)
BilSabab@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 139d
so the old-school way is still The Way. Good to know. Thx. Gotta dust off my MP3 player.
SwifferWetjet@thelemmy.club · 2 pts · 137d
An old cellphone makes a decent one too. I heart VLC
BilSabab@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 137d
Winamp gang 4 life!
fodor@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 140d
The Pirate Bay doesn't have ads.
NickwithaC@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 140d
Well it does but only on the website where your ad blocker gets them gone for you.
Eyekaytee@aussie.zone · 1 pts · 140d
compares tpb to spotify 🤣 fark these boomers so out of touch
jeffep@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 140d
Isn't this comment an ad for the pirate bay?
Sophiaava@lemmy.today · 6 pts · 141d
I don't understand how
cheat700000007@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 141d
Sirius pulled that shit too, never understood how it could possibly be legal
ExistingConsumingSpace@midwest.social · 2 pts · 140d
Most people don't care enough to pursue it and any who do probably don't have the money.
diabetic_porcupine@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 139d
Hey we said you get 30 minutes we never said consecutive… I bet you have like a bank of stored minutes and they continue expiring while you’re not listening. So legally you get the full 30 minutes…. Just not when you expected to.
mo_lave@reddthat.com · 4 pts · 140d
DylanMc6@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 139d
Ads take up those "30 minutes of ad-free listening"
trongod_requiem0432@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 140d
It's an IQ test. The solution is to install Firefox or Waterfox and uBlock Origin.
SirHaxalot@nord.pub · -1 pts · 141d
Kind of a stretch to call it getting scammed when he didn't pay anything...
fushuan@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 14 pts · 141d
He was scammed of his time watching the long ad that promised ad free 30 min. The revenue Spotify gets from advertising companies is only there because users listen to those ads, so users are also providing a service to Spotify.
Not that big of a stretch.
SirHaxalot@nord.pub · 2 pts · 141d
It also comes down to whether or not it's reasonable to expect to be able to access streaming media for free. You are making a choice: listen to advertisements, or pay the subscription.
fushuan@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 6 pts · 141d
That they already agreed to when listening to the ad that promised 30min ad free. I agree with you conceptually though. The scam is not on ads showing up, it's on the subversion of expectations. They were told X and it didn't happen, it's normal to feel scammed.
moopet@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 141d
Payment doesn't mean money. You can pay in labour, or in gold, or in your time.
SirHaxalot@nord.pub · -2 pts · 140d
Yes, exactly. And by not paying for the subscription you agree to pay with your time.
Eyekaytee@aussie.zone · -3 pts · 141d
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village604@adultswim.fan · 11 pts · 141d
The artists are getting a tiny fraction of that 30¢ a day. It's almost more ethical to pirate the music and buy their merch.
Eyekaytee@aussie.zone · -6 pts · 141d
they get 70% of it, 30% goes to spotify
same as steam store, apple store etc
loaf@sh.itjust.works · 9 pts · 141d
I’m not sure what the percentage is that they claim, but it’s far less. I check weekly on mine, and will get fractions of a penny for plays.
On the flipside, Apple Music actually seems to adhere to their percentage.
Korhaka@sopuli.xyz · 4 pts · 141d
Presumably because you are getting 70% of a tiny amount
loaf@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 141d
It’s a bit complicated really. They distribute money all over the place, and then the artist gets paid.
It’s kind of the “industry standard,” which sucks, but Spotify pays out less than industry standard. I could go on a rant about how they suffocate indie artists to ensure major labels get their share, but I’ll spare you lol.
Korhaka@sopuli.xyz · 3 pts · 141d
Do people who pay for spotify listen to so much that their £5 a month (or what the sub is) gets shared so widely that each artist gets almost nothing?
Eyekaytee@aussie.zone · 3 pts · 140d
Lots of artists make millions, it's just that music is so easy to make these days that there is more artists and songs than ever, more music gets released in a day than in the entire year 1985, so you need to be somewhat vaguely popular to make decent money, you can't just make a few songs and expect to live off the royalties, there's 12 year olds releasing music these days
loaf@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 140d
So basically, it’s like this…
Spotify gets their subscription money and ad fees, keeps 30%, then the remaining 70% gets split between all labels, songwriters, publishers, etc., and smaller artists (no label, self-release) get a percentage of your plays in your “market.”
So you end up getting fractions of a penny ($0.004) per play.
Eyekaytee@aussie.zone · -6 pts · 141d
I'm not here to explain how spotify payouts work, you need to actually look that up for yourself
loaf@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 141d
I know how it works. Been in this industry a while. I wasn’t expecting you explain — I just responded.
Sophiaava@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 140d
How long have you been in the industry loaf
loaf@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 140d
Started in 1999 (local label, then Roadrunner), went solo (three labels, biggest I won’t mention), quit in 2014.
Started again in 2017, been doing it ever since as a hobby. Touring is incredibly expensive now. The only real way to break even is by selling advance tickets (for venue assurance), selling merch, and hoping people will by physical media.
In Europe, touring is harder because of venues taxing merch in my experience. Transportation is a bit cheaper, but still a grind, and you’re lucky to break even.
Spotify and other streaming services are a blessing and a curse: the biggest labels can push spins, and services get paid from that + ad revenue. Indie artists get pushed downward, unless they’re playlisted a lot.
Sophiaava@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 140d
Eyekaytee can you make me understand
Eyekaytee@aussie.zone · 4 pts · 140d
it's complicated, it's based on what plan the person listening to you is on (people on the free ad supported plan pay the least, those on premium the most), what country you're in (poorer countries payout less), what % of total streams you're getting, what your label has negotiated with you, etcetc
https://dittomusic.com/en/blog/how-much-does-spotify-pay-per-stream
Getting rid of the ad supported plan would raise the average payouts quite a bit but Spotify has argued it is better to keep the plan and have people only pay for a little bit than return to the old days of music piracy where artists were getting nothing and had resorted to the RIAA suing people
knatschus@discuss.tchncs.de · 2 pts · 140d
Even if that would be true, steam offers a lot for devs and players. Spotify barely provides anything.
Eyekaytee@aussie.zone · 2 pts · 140d
They're a public company, feel free to look up their financial reports
knatschus@discuss.tchncs.de · 2 pts · 140d
Charlie Hellmann
Note the word roughly
Eyekaytee@aussie.zone · 0 pts · 140d
holy shit 30%? fark me that's huge!
What was your point though?
hOrni@lemmy.world · -3 pts · 141d
Isn't Spotify so cheap, that there's no point in using the free version? I'm using Tidal and it is, in fact, so cheap that there is no point in using the free version.