Why YSK: consuming too much sodium can lead to high blood pressure, increasing the risk of heart disease and stroke. In my country (USA), the average daily sodium intake is over 3,300mg, exceeding the recommended maximum of 2,300mg. The World Health Organization (WHO) recommends an even lower maximum of 2,000mg.
Also: with the rising cost of food, being mindful of additives that increase sell weight is important.
194 Comments
foggy@lemmy.world · 142 pts · 37d
Here is a short that tells of what's going here. This short is also a reaction, from an independent farmer who farms chickens. I think the creator here, FarmingWhileBeige, offers a lot of good insight into what is bad and not bad in our current farming practices as a level headed not batshit crazy maga person.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 45 pts · 37d
Chris also explains the chlorinated chicken myth and daily unpacks MAHA bullshit about food.
pineapplelover@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 32 pts · 37d
And here's the short in a normal video format
https://youtube.com/watch?v=t-pWGLG4eaY
tpyo@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 37d
I don't disagree that you removed the short designation from the link, but what's the difference between the two? It's the same video with the same aspect ratio and the same obnoxious subtitles one word at a time. My sound is turned off so if there was a difference there it went unnoticed
melvisntnormal@feddit.uk · 14 pts · 37d
Speaking for myself here:
This is my "old man tells at cloud" moment and I'm okay with that.
pineapplelover@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 6 pts · 36d
Yep, I'm not old by any means and all these points ring with me as well
tpyo@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 36d
Oh ok, I appreciate the answer! I didn't think of those points because I have seen hardly any because I avoid it like the plague. Do you know if removing the designation works for all shorts?
melvisntnormal@feddit.uk · 2 pts · 36d
I'm pretty sure it does. I remember thinking "of course they would implement it like that" when I first encountered a short as a regular video.
Duranie@literature.cafe · 2 pts · 36d
FWIW, his subtitles are often edited with substitutions, so if you don't listen to the audio you'll occasionally miss out on a punchline or other descriptives. It's not necessary for his messages that people have to read and listen at the same time, but it's kind of like Easter eggs lol .
tpyo@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 36d
Alright! I appreciate the answer
Duranie@literature.cafe · 19 pts · 37d
That man is such a gem. It's great to see him out in the wild!
Drusas@fedia.io · 4 pts · 37d
Set him free!
p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 15 pts · 37d
FarmingWhileBeige is highly recommended. He does a lot of good educational (and sassy) videos about different aspects of the farming industry, and has a good catalogue of funny shorts of reacting to stupid TikTokkers in-between. He has the experience and knowledge, and he'd be the first to tell you to stay the fuck away from the industry unless you're ready to deal with a lot of bullshit.
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 37d
I got 4 words into your post and immediately went "its FarmingWhileBeige, isnt it" and yeah, you name drop him a short while later.
He's awesome.
remotedev@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 37d
"What is it now..."
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 37d
and the visceral horror of a woman hammering nails into a chicken and frying it in what, by all appearances, looks to be used motor oil.
Duranie@literature.cafe · 1 pts · 35d
Motor oil + violent splashing of wet ingredients into said motor oil. Her whole thing has to be rage bait.
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 35d
How do you overlook the fact that the chicken has like a hundred nails pounded into it.
I dont know why, or how, but that viscerally feels worse than possible motor oil, because perhaps its only the possibility that the oil is motor oil, while the chicken has the absolute finality of actually looking like a Cenobite.
xylol@leminal.space · 7 pts · 37d
interesting thank you
joelfromaus@aussie.zone · 5 pts · 37d
As soon as I seen this YSK I thought of that short! The guy is genuinely fun and educational.
VibeSurgeon@piefed.social · 1 pts · 36d
Along with this, it's probably wise to put the sodium numbers into context - the salt used to season your chicken is probably not going to be what's going to put you over the top when it comes to salt intake. Highly processed foods, sauces and bread is more likely going to be the thing that gets you.
Tattorack@lemmy.world · 48 pts · 37d
Here in Denmark how much water is in the chicken is written on the label of the packaging. It is also required to list what ingredients are used to treat the chicken if anything besides water is used.
P00ptart@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 37d
Must be nice living in a functioning society.
1984@lemmy.today · 10 pts · 36d
Sure but you can read European history and find out why. People had to rise up to get this, along with vacations.
You can't vote away evil since the ones who run things are not elected.
SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 36d
It was also hundreds of years of extremely destructive wars.
Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 36d
That was for other reasons though, like princes egos and the status quo, before that we had the plague too so I don't think it's relevant to the discussion...
People rising up has been a theme for some time though, and that's what it takes.
Eh, usa!
1984@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 36d
Yes. You dont create change by voting.
username123@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 37d
End it. End it all now, Japan, get revenge. Fucking A.
xav@programming.dev · 8 pts · 37d
I think it's like that in the whole of Europe.
exasperation@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 36d
And in the United States.
The practice described by OP exists, but the practice must be disclosed, including any additional retained water by percentage.
mechoman444@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 36d
It is the same here in the states. And it is in fact the case because I'd be the labels on the chickens that I purchase.
Glowstick@lemmy.world · 37 pts · 37d
This makes the chicken taste better too.
cattywampas@lemmy.world · 29 pts · 37d
True, but you can salt or brine the chicken yourself instead of paying more for it.
ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de · 11 pts · 37d
Also true, but salting it leaves a much dryer, crappier chicken. Brining one works great, but I'd much rather get one already brined vs having to brine one myself like 6 hours before I want to start cooking it. That's a lot of time and a lot of salt I'll only use once before dumping.
cattywampas@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 37d
Salting only draws moisture out of the outermost layer of skin and meat, which improves browning and crisping. It won't affect the interior. The best way to reduce moisture loss in the meat is to spatchcock it so it cooks faster and more evenly.
ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de · 4 pts · 37d
I only spoke of salting in comparison to using a brine. There is no cooking method that doesn't leave you with a more moist cooked piece of meat if the meat was brined beforehand. Spatchcocking is great. It's better in combination with brined bird. Same with rotisserie, which I generally prefer over spatchcocking.
There's a lot of great cooking methods, but starting with more moisture trapped in the protein always means there's more moisture left after cooking.
cattywampas@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 37d
Well agree to disagree then, I don't see the point of cooking a whole chicken at home if I'm not getting crispy skin.
ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de · 2 pts · 37d
What? Why on earth do you think a brined chicken can't give you crispy skin?
cattywampas@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 37d
You can definitely still get it crispy but because it's retaining moisture, It'll never get as crispy as a dry brined chicken. I spatchcock my chickens and cover in a mixture of salt and baking powder, then leave it in the fridge uncovered overnight to dry the skin out. Then I poke some holes in the fat deposits to let the fat render out, bake it at about 400F, brush it once or twice with the rendered fat from the pan until done. Crispy skin, moist meat, can't beat it.
kbobabob@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 9 pts · 37d
You can buy whole chicken thighs and debone them, or you can buy deboned chicken thighs. Not everyone wants to do the extra work.
usualsuspect191@lemmy.ca · -4 pts · 37d
Eh, in my experience this chicken has a weird texture so not really
Telodzrum@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 37d
Are you talking about the “woody” chicken problem? Because that’s not from this. This is effectively shipping chicken pre-brined.
I_Fart_Glitter@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 37d
The texture thing is either from being frozen/thawed too many times or a genetic issue with chickens bred to grow too fast, leading to striated meat.
usualsuspect191@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 37d
Possibly. The really water-injected stuff is often frozen so that probably doesn't help for sure.
Bakkoda@lemmy.world · -13 pts · 37d
Covers up the taste of chlorine
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 16 pts · 37d
Chicken is not chlorinated, that's more MAHA bullshit.
Bakkoda@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 37d
Yeah i forgot the /s that's on me. It was supposed to be an NaCl joke but i forgot about the whole chlorinated chicken bullshit.
A_A@lemmy.world · -16 pts · 37d
LOL, sarcasm ... right ? right ... ?
the_riviera_kid@lemmy.world · 31 pts · 37d
I'm sorry you had to learn it so late in life but, salt makes food tasty. You should try some next time.
Glowstick@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 37d
I wouldn't be surprised if that person never actually ate UNbrind chicken plain in their life, and would be shocked at how bland some chicken can taste
A_A@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 37d
Okay so, since we are being serious : my taste preferences are :
1- adding salt, but also,
2- reducing the amount of water.
village604@adultswim.fan · 5 pts · 37d
You want dry chicken?
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 37d
The technical term for that is turkey.
Bohne93@feddit.org · 34 pts · 37d
I guess i can cut back to four chickens a day
tea_n_typewriters@lemmy.world · 28 pts · 37d
arrow74@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 37d
Are you gonna die for some chickens?
tea_n_typewriters@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 37d
Someone is.
ALoafOfBread@lemmy.ml · 26 pts · 37d
Also, at least in my area, I believe there is a mislabeling scam going on. At least twice now I have bought boneless skinless chicken thighs from 2 different grocery stores (different chains) and the weight has been like ~15% lower than advertized.
Like a package of chicken thighs labeled at 3.11lbs (1.4kg) actually weighed roughly 2.67lbs (1.2kg), 14% less. One labeled at 2.49lbs (1.13kg) actually weighed roughly 2.1lbs (0.95kg), 16% less.
Some of that may be accounted for by the absorbant pad sucking out some of that excess liquid they pump in, but it shouldn't be so radically different
Okokimup@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 37d
Apparently that's a current scandal.
Glowstick@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 37d
Do you have a link to an actual source that's not just a person talking in their car?
Okokimup@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 37d
If you watch the vid, she shows clips from Jimmy Wrig who went into Walmart and demonstrated.
Telodzrum@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 37d
You should be able to easily report this to a state agency. Governments take standards and measures very seriously and have for thousands of years.
p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 9 pts · 37d
Yeah, that was before Trump.
Telodzrum@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 37d
States (and often larger cities) have their own weights and measures bureaus. That's where you'd start even in a period of an Administration friendly to regulatory environments.
NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 37d
We've had ongoing issues here with places including the weight of the packaging. Not as bad as what you've encountered as a % difference, but also not allowed.
Glowstick@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 37d
You can weigh it with the pad to check
village604@adultswim.fan · 1 pts · 37d
You'd have to know the dry weight of the pad to do that.
Glowstick@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 37d
You can assume the pad is close to negligible. If you want more accuracy you can dry out the pad, weigh it, then subtract that from the total of the [meat + wet pad]
mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 37d
15g. not enough to matter
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · -5 pts · 37d
Meat has a water content, and water is lost by evaporation between the packagers and the person who brings it home.
If you care about this, buy from a butcher who weighs at the time of sale.
Or, wash your chicken and watch the weight magically increase.
This is another Tiktok "scandal".
HeyJoe@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 37d
It's not just meat though. And sometimes they are way off to the point it is definitely not within reason. A good one seen was the prepackaged mini hams that are airtight. They were weighed and basically 30% off or more from the label the store slapped on them.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 0 pts · 37d
Again, if you believe every "scandal" on tiktok and YouTube...people fake this shit.
p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 37d
Please do not equate YouTube to TikTok. TikTok is literally incapable of long-form videos and the platform is a cesspool of misinformation.
HeyJoe@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 37d
I have only seen 1 person do it and I am not on tik tok or ever used it before. I guess theres a chance they are lying, but they have gotten several suppliers to admit to issues they reported and were corrected. I would like to think I am good at weeding out fake videos and they just dont seem like it, but there is always a chance.
RedstoneValley@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 37d
It's really not. The weight determines the price and added water raises the cost, you are essentially paying meat prices for water content. In the EU there are strict rules against that. A meat producer has to declare the amount of added water if it's above 2%. Of course there are companies which fraudulenty go above that without declaring it. My point is, that's illegal for a reason
ALoafOfBread@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 37d
Yeah, like I said I'm not certain. And I have since seen random people circulating this on various social media, but I noticed it myself first. At 15%, it could just be water loss, but also it could be something more than that. Mainly it's just an annoyance.
rumba@lemmy.zip · 23 pts · 37d
Ehh, a restaurant would salt it past there anyway. Culinarily, you'd be well within reason to brine fresh chicken.
Price per pound is pretty bullshit thought, making it cost at the price if meat is BS
Ibaudia@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 37d
As someone with POTS, I for one am okay with sodiummaxxing 😎
youngskywalker@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 37d
This guy gets it
titanicx@lemmy.zip · 16 pts · 37d
Having an older phone system doesn't protect you against heart disease.
Ibaudia@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 37d
You joke but honestly I would rather feel normal and live with an increased risk of heart disease than feel awful 24/7 for my whole like like I do on a low-sodium diet. At least I can exercise and reduce unhealthy fat intake to help my risk.
smh@slrpnk.net · 7 pts · 37d
And the "lower sodium is more heart healthy" thing was, if I'm remembering a podcast I once listened to right, only consistently true for people that already had high blood pressure. Normal blood pressure people saw more mixed results with a low sodium diet.
source: a recent episode of the podcast Maintenance Phase.
crypt0cler1c@infosec.pub · 0 pts · 37d
I love this comment.
mechoman444@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 36d
This is a good example of using technically true facts to imply something that isn't actually representative.
Yes, some chicken is sold with an added salt-water solution. That's not a secret it's disclosed right on the label. But presenting the maximum legal numbers as if they apply to all supermarket chicken is misleading.
"Up to 30%" is the ceiling, not the average. Likewise, "up to 500 mg of sodium" describes heavily enhanced products, not ordinary chicken. Plenty of chicken is sold with no added solution at all, and consumers can choose whichever they prefer simply by reading the packaging.
This post also frames the added solution as though it's some kind of deceptive adulteration. In reality, it's added to improve moisture retention and consistency during cooking, and it's regulated and clearly labeled.
So the takeaway isn't "supermarkets are secretly selling watered-down chicken." The takeaway is much less dramatic: read the label. If you want unenhanced chicken, buy unenhanced chicken. If you don't mind the added solution, buy the enhanced product. Manufacturing practices are not evidence of a conspiracy just because someone cherry-picked the largest numbers they could find.
iglou@programming.dev · 3 pts · 36d
The title already says "up to" for both the 30% and the sodium content. If the reader understands anything else, that's a reading comprehension issue.
iglou@programming.dev · 1 pts · 35d
mechoman444@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 35d
Don't be a contrarian for the sake of argument. If your reading comprehension is so good you'd know the title is intentionally sensationalized intentionally using large numbers to make it look and sound like they're always at the upper limits.
God. I bet you're insufferable irl aren't you?
iglou@programming.dev · 0 pts · 35d
The literal wording of the title is "up to". You're criticizing it for cherry picking when it's... not.
If there's a contrarian here, it's certainly not me.
Nice personal attack though!
mechoman444@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 35d
Ya. Having "up to" in the title isn't some magical phrase that excuses the sensational title. And simply claiming that it does isn't sufficient.
YSK: Not all raw chicken is the same some is enhanced with a saltwater solution
This is an example of a neutral title that doesn't sensationalize and enhance clicks.
And you started the personal attacks with reading comprehension shtick. So don't get offended all of the sudden.
iglou@programming.dev · 0 pts · 35d
You clearly understood the title, so no, the "reading comprehension" thing wasn't a dig at you. It was a way to say that you shouldn't assume the reader is unable to understand the litteral meaning of the title, because that is honestly condescending.
The title does not misrepresent anything, is not dramatizing the situation either. It doesn't even say "most" or "a sizeable share" or anything that would imply it's a massively widespread problem. It uses one of the least dramatic quantifier: "often". Then it says "up to" because... That is the only way to say it? Are you expecting a title to say "up to, but not necessarily as high as"? It's a title.
Your title alternative is, however, actually dramatizing, making it a bigger problem than it is. "Not all is the same, watch out what you're buying!" Is the emotion it creates in the first part. Then de-dramatizing with "some".
The title of this post is as neutral as it can be. It is, literally, stating a fact. The word "up to" is indeed not magical, it is the proper way of indicating an upper bound without dramatizing.
I am shocked this is even a debate. And english isn't even my first language.
Edit: admittedly it could use "sometimes" instead of "often", or back up with numbers. But that is hardly dramatizing.
mechoman444@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 35d
Okay. I apologize for the personal dig. That was uncalled for, especially since I misread what you were saying. I made assumptions and responded in a way that was unnecessarily hostile.
The title of the article is clearly engineered to provoke fear. Nobody wants to pay for added salt or for chicken to be "plumped" to increase its saleable weight.
That's exactly what the title is implying. It throws around numbers like "up to 30%," "500 mg," and "7–10 times" in a way that makes them sound alarming without providing meaningful context.
In reality, some manufacturers inject a brine solution into chicken to improve juiciness and tenderness while also increasing its weight. That practice is disclosed on the label. Consumers also have plenty of alternatives, especially in the United States, where supermarkets typically carry both enhanced and non-enhanced chicken.
So yes, I think the title is obviously sensationalized. While the individual facts may contain elements of truth, they're presented in a way that encourages readers to feel as though they're being deceived or victimized rather than helping them understand what's actually happening.
I dislike headlines like this because they present technically accurate information in a misleading way. They encourage an emotional reaction instead of informing the reader.
Using qualifiers like "up to" doesn't make the presentation any less manipulative. It may make the statement legally defensible, but it doesn't make it an honest or balanced way to communicate the issue.
I don't think there's any significant disagreement between us about the underlying facts. My disagreement is that you're willing to give this headline a pass, and I don't think you should. Its purpose isn't to inform; it's to provoke.
Fmstrat@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 37d
Look for "air-chilled chicken" to find chicken that doesn't have this.
Also some organic brands don't do this because of the laws around chemical use making chlorine not possible. Brands vary, though.
Farmers markets are another route.
_spiffy@piefed.ca · 17 pts · 37d
I've seen people getting upset about this. I'm only upset because I have kidney issues and have to watch my sodium and meat really fucks me when it comes to sodium content.
village604@adultswim.fan · 12 pts · 37d
It's basically just pre-brining them. And the label discloses the added salt water.
HereIAm@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 37d
Here in the UK it's just plain water that's added.
DempstersBox@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 37d
I don't want to pay extra for your fucking salt water, I have my own at far less than $3 a pound
phoenixz@lemmy.ca · 15 pts · 37d
So just the same as adding water to milk
Why is this even legal?
Rooster326@programming.dev · 24 pts · 37d
Because the people who write the laws own milk companies, and chicken slaughterhouses?
Melvin_Ferd@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 37d
Lol it's called a brine
Jesus christ.
crypt0cler1c@infosec.pub · 7 pts · 37d
I prefer to brine my own meat. I prefer to salt my own butter even. I buy unsalted butter. Fuck salted butter.
nullspace@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 37d
Well butter my biscuit.
Melvin_Ferd@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 37d
Hero
Zron@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 37d
Why do you like making extra work for yourself? Are you bored?
crypt0cler1c@infosec.pub · -4 pts · 37d
Oh you need someone to salt your butter for you? You need somebody to brine your meat for you?
You need me to fuck your wife for you too? Happy to help.
Zron@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 37d
You need someone to make your butter for you?
You need someone to raise an animal and slaughter it for you?
You need someone to build a vehicle to transport yourself?
You needed a factory to build silicon wafers and assemble them into chips so another factory could produce a computer and install software on it that you didn’t write, so you could connect to the internet that someone else made?
Pathetic. Bet you don’t even live in the woods and grow your crops while trying to make solar cells out of sand to provide your own power. Absolutely pitiful that you participate in a society where goods and services are exchanged for money.
crypt0cler1c@infosec.pub · -12 pts · 37d
You missed the point completely. Enjoy the cuck!
happysplinter@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 37d
How do you salt your own butter?
glitch1985@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 37d
Salt+butter+mixer. Some cinnamon and honey if you're feeling decadent.
Aiz@reddthat.com · 4 pts · 37d
Put salt on top. Same as those biscuits with the sugar.
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 37d
Layers.
crypt0cler1c@infosec.pub · 0 pts · 37d
carefully
lena@gregtech.eu · 12 pts · 37d
Is this legal in the EU?
markz@suppo.fi · 10 pts · 37d
I've always assumed the "mildly salted" chicken is just that.
Lumidaub@feddit.org · 9 pts · 37d
Yes but it has to say so on the packaging.
skittle07crusher@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 37d
in what way? I too was about to post, “is this accurate in the EU?”
Lumidaub@feddit.org · 3 pts · 37d
I honestly don't remember but the last time someone brought it up, the regulation sounded reasonable to me. I don't buy whole chickens, ever, so it hasn't come up in my life again since then. Not exactly satisfying, sorry 😐
amio@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 37d
Yes
A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip · 2 pts · 37d
See my other comment
IMHO, if it's labeled properly (i.e. as water), why not. But I don't know 100%.
ryan213@lemmy.ca · 12 pts · 37d
Buy halal meats. Or from an actual butcher.
happysplinter@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 37d
Butchers are so rare around me and far more expensive. I would love to be able to afford it as it's a much more delightful experience and the meat is always so much better.
ryan213@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 37d
I justify it as "not paying for extra water" after cooking. Lol
sukhmel@programming.dev · 2 pts · 36d
Depends on how much more you pay
CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 37d
There's a butcher shop near my work that also has a fantastic café attached. The meat is all absolutely exquisite looking, but you're god damned right that its insanely expensive like at least double or triple the price of meat at your typical store. We pretty much only ever buy their in-house pepperoni sticks and even those are around $16 a pound.
kungen@feddit.nu · 2 pts · 36d
Huh, what does halal have to do with this? Halal-slaughtered chickens are allowed to be plumped as well.
ryan213@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 36d
I was told they're not allowed to do that, and based on my experience, it's been true so far. Maybe it's just my specific grocer is good?
kungen@feddit.nu · 3 pts · 36d
Plumping is just injecting saltwater into the meat after it has already been killed. And that's fine, as neither salt nor water are forbidden in Islam. The only thing that could matter is that it's clearly labeled on the packaging how much percentage the meat is vs how much saltwater was added, as you're not supposed to be deceptive.
But considering some countries generally lax product labeling laws, I assume you could still get a greyzone, where it could be labeled as "halal-slaughtered chickens" - but the actual product wouldn't pass a stricter control due to undisclosed brine.
So it's also likely you have a good grocer, but just know that you can't automatically trust some halal-stamp if you want to avoid plumping.
ryan213@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 36d
Oh, thanks for that explanation. I've only been going to same halal grocer since shrinkflation started so that would make sense.
A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip · 12 pts · 37d
Here in the EU, I just looked at some packed chicken. It's marinated, but still: the ingredients say it contains only 87% actual chicken meat, then water, then salt. 13% marinade seems a bit much. It's not swimming in sauce. Not sure if it's been plumped too.
It's a truism that all sorts of industrially produced & packaged meat shrink when you cook/fry it.
It would be interesting to know what the leagl situation is around here. I checked wikipedia and it refers only to the USA.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 7 pts · 37d
The salt helps prevent bacterial growth.
tempest@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 37d
And humans also tend to like salty things
ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de · 5 pts · 37d
The water and salt is absorbed and held inside the chicken meat. That's why it is 13% and not swimming in sauce.
Brining meat causes the meat itself to swell and take in extra moisture\salt. It's why brined meats are more tender and less dry after cooking.
A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip · 2 pts · 37d
That was precisely my point.
boonhet@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 37d
Uh if you're getting marinated meat, you kinda WANT it to be absorbed into the meat, as opposed to just being wet on the outside. So you have the marinade flavour when you cook the meat
ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de · 0 pts · 37d
I guess I don't really know what legalities you would think of, since it's labeled on the packaging that 13% of the weight is added. What are you thinking, from an EU perspective?
digdilem@lemmy.ml · 12 pts · 37d
Also ham and almost all boiled and reconstituted meats.
Bytemeister@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 37d
I'd also add that if you cook those plumped up chicken breasts, they will immediately release all that extra brine into your dish and ruin it. Buy normal-size chicken breasts and resist the urge to go for the "best" weight to price ratio.
BlackLaZoR@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 37d
This is done to avoid botulin toxin from being formed. It's a much, much bigger issue than the sodium intake
SanitationStation@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 36d
Thats nitrate salts used in sausages, salami and such. The NaCl used in fresh meats is mostly to add weight and supposedly make it more "juicy".
BlackLaZoR@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 36d
NaCl does inhibit botulin bacteria too. Nitrate salts have the neat property of changing the color more into deep red territory, which some people tend to prefer.
YeahToast@aussie.zone · 1 pts · 36d
Turn that frown upside down, oh wait, you can't move your face.
technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 36d
Yes, the consumption of rotting flesh is a huge problem. Literally destroying your health and the planet at the same time. Not to mention the torture and murder of animals.
BlackLaZoR@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 36d
The problem is that botulin toxin is stronger than lead to the power of mercury. The amount big enough to kill you is counted in nanograms. That amount is small enough to appear in meat way before it gives off any symptoms of spoiling
fizzle@quokk.au · 9 pts · 37d
Common with red meat also.
Drusas@fedia.io · 1 pts · 37d
And scallops. Need dry-packed scallops for the good stuff.
whaleross@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 37d
I bought a cheaper brand of meat than usual earlier this year. It was so wobbly it could have been a pillow in a water bed. Needless to say the cooked meat was salty but otherwise tasteless with a consistency of pre chewed porridge.
cattywampas@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 37d
This is why you want to look for "air-chilled" when it comes to chickens. Aside from paying more for a higher sodium product, you'll get better browning on your meat with air-chilled.
tidderuuf@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 37d
That and I recently purchased frozen chicken breasts from Costco. They were huge and once thawed and cooked they were still larger and had more weight than a usual store brand chicken breast.
Routhinator@startrek.website · 7 pts · 37d
This is why I don't buy chicken from costco. Thankfully theres a good provider (Sunrise Farms) from Richmond on the Lower Mainland that makes a frozen skinless, boneless breat that's cheaper than Costco, cooks to nearly the same size it started as the water content is low, and is semi-local to Vancouver Island.
Mazlo@infosec.pub · 7 pts · 36d
Eat less meat and buy Quality.If still undecided, a temporary job in a meatpack factory will be helpful.
whereitsat@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 36d
this is some fearmongering. unless your diet is nothing but packaged foods, your sodium level is always gonna be under the RDA, and sodium is necessary for your body to function. going low-sodium is more dangerous than going over the RDA for the average person.
SaraTonin@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 36d
The RDA is a maximum, not the minimum needed. You will be perfectly healthy on 200-500mg a day. Eat whole grains, meat (or dairy), fruit, and vegetables and you’ll get more than enough
Only if you’re vegan will you likely have to give it some thought, and then it’ll be enough to eat processed meat substitutes or just add a pinch of salt when you’re cooking
Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de · 1 pts · 35d
even then you'd have to somehow avoid basically anything even remotely processed, and stuff like pickles and many many seasoning mixes.. You'd really only ever get too little salt if you have some specific health condition where you need extra salt, and you'll probably notice such because you'll go "hm i want more salt".
weps@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 37d
chicken breast
ingredients: 86,7 % chicken
A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip · 1 pts · 37d
That's very close to what I read on the ingredients: 87%, then water, then salt (in EU only crucial ingredients need to be listed with percentage, i.e. the meat in sausage, the cocoa in chocolate etc.).
tomjuggler@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 35d
Chicken sold in supermarkets in America
I fixed the headline for you
susi7802@sopuli.xyz · 4 pts · 37d
Just stop eating meat. I did that 15 years ago. Meat is unhealthy, bad for the climate, bad for the people working in the slaughterhouses… and most of all bad for the animal.
FatVegan@leminal.space · 4 pts · 36d
Get out of here with your reasonable solution.
susi7802@sopuli.xyz · 3 pts · 36d
Yeah, people don’t seem to like the obvious solution.
Doomsider@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 36d
You're not wrong.
gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 4 pts · 35d
Americentrism! You strike again!
That shit is illegal in EU
Rolive@discuss.tchncs.de · 4 pts · 35d
Here they fill meat with regular water. As long as it's on the label it's allowed. It's still a scam.
KingGimpicus@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 37d
Let's call it 500mg instead of a half gram because big numbers are always scarier.
YeahToast@aussie.zone · 10 pts · 36d
Every single ingredient panel I've seen (per 100g) reports sodium in mg.. so seems perfectly reasonable no?
krisevol@lemmus.org · 2 pts · 37d
This is old news and new studies show high salt doesn't cause high blood pressure.
Doctor's have been putting other on low sodium diets for decades and have been unsuccessful in managing patients blood pressure, and most people that go in blood pressure meds and low sodium diets will stay on blood pressure meds due life.
Doctor's targeting the root cause of high blood pressure like lowering the patients blood sugar and insult levels have reverse patients high blood pressure and get them off meds.
High blood pressure is caused by high insulin levels, not high salt.
1rre@discuss.tchncs.de · 4 pts · 37d
It's not a saltwater issue, it's a product quality issue.
krisevol@lemmus.org · 1 pts · 37d
No one that buys prepackaged $8 chickens thinks they are all natural, and the packages say they add saline.
DempstersBox@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 37d
I kinda fucking expect the thing I'm paying money for to be what it fucking says it is. You think this is a granola hippie issue? fuck you
krisevol@lemmus.org · 0 pts · 37d
The package says it has saline in it. Do you not read what you read?
crypt0cler1c@infosec.pub · 2 pts · 37d
I'm so sick of people demonizing salt. It's not fucking rocket science. The saltiest foods are also the ones that are highest in fats and carbs. French fries and burgers and chips and all the things we already know are unhealthy.
Isolating the fat or the carb or the salt and saying, look, this part is bad, this is the culprit, is beyond asinine.
As humans we need to learn that health is about habits and behaviors primarily.
krisevol@lemmus.org · 3 pts · 37d
Most people, even older doctors are set in their ways. The attack on salt will take decades to overcome. We are starting to see the change though. A lot of newer doctors or doctors willing to try low sugar diets are reversing high blood pressure.
The fight on salt has really killed a lot of people. Same thing happened with the food pyramid. The original food pyramid is responsible for our obesity epidemic, but we now have generations long eating habits and customs that need to be broken.
HugeNerd@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 37d
"Doctors are morons and anti-science" is what I'm reading. And I agree.
crypt0cler1c@infosec.pub · 1 pts · 37d
Doctors are normal people.
krisevol@lemmus.org · 1 pts · 37d
They aren't dumb. They generally run on the knowledge they got from school. Not a lot of them actually run studies and find new methods. Medical expense has been evolving for thousands of years, and this age isn't any different.
The results of today show putting patients on low sodium diets does not reverse high blood pressure. But doing low sugar, low insulin spikes does get patients off blood pressure meds.
Shit it took until 2024 to get jiffy to stop putting in the oil that causes heart attacks in their peanut butter. 20 years ago people thought margarine was healthy. People replaced beef fat with crisco thinking it was better, but we now know it increases the rate of heart disease. Stuff changes as more data comes out all the time.
whereitsat@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 36d
going by the knowledge they learned in school makes them dumb though. if they weren't foolish, they'd learn the truth through curiosity but so many doctors i've been to are entirely fucking useless for anything other than running tests.
have anything wrong with you that requires ACTUAL THOUGHT? well, good fucking luck with that one.
most professionals are dumbasses and you'll get better results with google and just doing the shit yourself.
krisevol@lemmus.org · 1 pts · 36d
I totally agree. Most doctors are useless specially in the overrun healthcare system we have now
Kolanaki@pawb.social · 2 pts · 37d
I always check the labels for this because I grew up seeing those Foster Farms commercials that would bring this factoid up all the time. Foster Farms does also do this, tho. They just do it with their "cheap" brands that don't use the "Foster Farms" name.
SalamiDommie@lemmus.org · 1 pts · 36d
Here in the US I avoid Aldi meat for this very reason. Plenty of good products at aldi... But the meat is terrible.
mechoman444@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 36d
Wholeheartedly disagree. And this is a very common complaint about Aldi. I've had absolutely no issues with their meat literally ever and I've been shopping there for decades.
SalamiDommie@lemmus.org · 1 pts · 35d
Every time I cook with I start out thinking "this is going to be the right amount of food". Then it Shrinks 40% and sits in a pool of juice.
mechoman444@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 35d
I don't think I've ever had that happen to anything I'd cooked aside from bacon.
technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 0 pts · 36d
The carnist brain is a dumb brain.
https://lemmy.world/c/vegan
A_A@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 37d
Happy 2nd cake day James 🎂🍻 !
YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today · 0 pts · 36d
Yeah, but it tastes good.
HubertManne@piefed.social · -4 pts · 37d
yeah this was the first thing we switched over I think grocery wise. Basically your paying for water and the organic is better if its up to 2x the price.
A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip · 1 pts · 37d
Are you sure organic is a guarantee that it's not plumped?
HubertManne@piefed.social · 1 pts · 37d
so far. I say organic but a lot of it is just looking at it and you definately know when you cook it. I have yet to see an organic that has the injections. My wife calls it frankenchicken.
Marthirial@lemmy.world · -5 pts · 37d
Does this also work on cocks?
mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 37d
you're not cockmaxxing yet‽
susi7802@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 37d
Yes, both hens and cockerels.
athatet@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 37d
You want to inject brine into your penis?
technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 36d
Dude needs a new home for his sea monkeys.
DeathsEmbrace@lemmy.world · -8 pts · 37d
So is this dick but I still get called small peen.
Abyssian@lemmy.world · -16 pts · 37d
YSK chicken sold in farmer's markets has often been "plumped" by a farmer's penis, and injected with a salty solution as well.
lol, I love all the people downvoting me with no idea how many chickens I've fucked. So disgusting that you eat that.
dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 37d
Is this part of an elaborate plot to teach your police chief to read?
Abyssian@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 37d
God no, I'm just a machine that turns whatever I read into the first bad joke that leaks out of my fingers.