To be succinct and private.. My incubator worked me for weeks to build rapport and trust with me in my younger days, to get me to tell her a something that she would ultimately, and immediately use and weaponize against me and others.
This wasnt the first time I tried to have a relationship with her, but it did finally open my eyes and become the last. In the many many decades since, I've not so much as acknowledge her existence when crossing paths.
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Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world · 119 pts · 9d
My mom told me that she heard my soon-to-be-wife say some really horrible things about her and my kids behind my back.
Whatever she thought that would accomplish didn't work, because I had already told my wife to start recording her interactions with my mom. (Clearly not my first rodeo)
Mom wasn't real happy when I told her I'd listen to the audio.
Seimhe@lemmy.world · 51 pts · 9d
That is utterly evil (ok the everyday sense). Glad you were prepped for that, but I’m very sorry that you’ve had life experiences that taught you it was necessary.
Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world · 30 pts · 9d
I still don't know what Mom's problem was with her, not that I even care. Before that point, they would each text me "You won't believe what she said to me!". I was stick on the middle trying to figure out what really happened, but something my mom said didn't match with a major detail that she didn't know about my wife's past, so I had a feeling she was the one causing the shenanigans. That's when I suggested the recordings.
Malyca@lemmy.zip · 22 pts · 9d
You're her property and another woman is encroaching on you.
Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 9d
That theory was definitely on my list of possibilities.
Pudutr0n@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 9d
She competed for your attention
Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 9d
I wouldn't doubt it.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 3 pts · 8d
could be she saw your wife as a threat to her controlling nature, or your wife saw through her bs, and the mom is projecting. i had a former co-worker that had an extremely controlling mother, due to having trauma with thier first child(an accident) so she kept the former coworker close to her, to the point of "suffocation".
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world · 25 pts · 9d
I have to ask.
If your moms such a piece of shit, why is your solution to your wife "make sure to record every interaction" instead of "Lets just stop dealing with this bitch"
Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world · 28 pts · 9d
Definitely a fair question.
We all lived in the same house at the time, and Mom's name was on the deed, so up until that point we were walking on eggshells to keep things civil until other arrangements were in place.
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 9d
Ah, thats fair then. Sometimes you do have to make sacrifices like that, as you make your preparations for the future.
CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org · 4 pts · 9d
Like, there might be a decent answer, but it is worth the ask.
grrgyle@slrpnk.net · 7 pts · 9d
God that would fuck me upppp, I'm so sorry your mom is such a mess. :(
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 8d
manipulation tactics, shes probably wants her to be the only "woman " in your life.
SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 90 pts · 9d
Used the fact that he named me after himself to commit fraud using my name.
ragepaw@lemmy.ca · 20 pts · 9d
Mine didn't do that, he just forged my signature.
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 9d
Thats disgusting levels of premeditation.
Sounds like he only had a child, to give it his name, to run its credit into the ground like he'd run his own.
Hope you managed to right those wrongs once you came of age
greatwhitebuffalo41@slrpnk.net · 2 pts · 8d
Not just you but anyone, if you're in the US freeze your credit and just in freeze it when you need it. People suck.
some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org · 1 pts · 8d
Wow.
snoons@lemmy.ca · 69 pts · 9d
Told my friend that he's like the son he never had, in front of me.
Seimhe@lemmy.world · 35 pts · 9d
I assume that was absolutely calculated for maximum pain. I’m so sorry.
snoons@lemmy.ca · 18 pts · 9d
Thanks. It really fucked me up for a long time. ;-;
Seimhe@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 9d
I know the feeling. I was lucky that my first therapist was solid as a rock and spotted things I wasn’t even aware of. But working through it was damn tough.
You deserve a good life now and I hope you get it.
snoons@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 9d
o7
some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org · 4 pts · 8d
He's like the father you never wanted.
snoons@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 8d
Malyca@lemmy.zip · 9 pts · 9d
Being a parent myself now I still can't understand how you can intentionally inflict pain on your own children. I've been trying to understand my whole life.
Seimhe@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 9d
I think the part of their humanity that feels empathy, bonds, compassion and so on are completely absent in some people. But more than that, not only are they incapable of feeling or reciprocating love and empathy, they also have a sadistic appetite for other people’s suffering and little else can satiate them.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 8d
a narcissistic parents does, they do it in 2 ways, either coddle you so you never launch and become dependant on them forever, or manipulate people around you so are dependant on them.
vantablack@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 62 pts · 9d
going into my backpack and stealing my HRT while i was in the shower, and refusing to give it back
Malyca@lemmy.zip · 34 pts · 9d
My mom did that with my psych meds. The kind of meds that break your brain if you stop abruptly and don't taper off. I'm lucky I found them because I hate the brain zaps.
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 9d
Thats one of two things you just dont fuck with, no matter what, and thats medications and food.
vantablack@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 9 pts · 9d
it's funny you should mention food because they did also fuck with that! from the time i was zero until i was twenty i believed my parents when they said i was allergic to MSG and that it would give me asthma and that it was in basically everything besides what they cooked. but eventually i realized it was just another batshit method of control
Firebirdie713@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 61 pts · 9d
For context: I had an uncle who was an alcoholic/addict, with his addiction being the result of immense trauma he suffered as a kid. He was fired from his job in the medical field after writing himself scripts, and made a genuine effort to turn his life around. He went to AA and other therapy, brought his sponsor/buddy to events where there would be alcohol, and generally took it seriously and worked to improve.
A few years later, we got a call in the early morning. He had overdosed and died after an argument with my aunt. It's unclear whether it was a relapse or if the overdose was intentional, and to be honest it didn't matter. My aunt was distraught, he was dead, and their kids now had no father. It was a horrific tragedy.
When I got up to ask what the phone call was for, my mother had a huge smile on her face. She thought his addiction was a moral failing that automatically made him a bad person, but she also judged him badly for needing AA and the buddy syatem to stay on track. She told us, with glee in her voice, that he had "finally killed himself".
It took everything in my power to not lay into her, which I didn't do only because I knew she would never change her mind. It was just the latest and worst example of her horrid behavior. I never told my aunt, but I did tell other members of my extended family when they asked why I didn't talk to them anymore.
Seimhe@lemmy.world · 29 pts · 9d
Jesus. That doesn’t sound like a momentary lapse in judgment the way you describe it, but a trait. Must have been horrendous. Well done for not turning out like that.
Firebirdie713@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 17 pts · 9d
Yeah, it was not the first time I saw that kind of emotional sadism from her, but it was the one that made me realize that she literally thought some people deserved to die for things they ultimately had little to no control over.
Thankfully my dad is a bit more levelheaded (though he still enabled her) and I have a lot of extended family who also can't stand her. I credit them as being the main reason I didn't end up continuing the abuse cycle.
Seimhe@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 9d
Those anchor points (stable people) are essential. It’s why I try to be less of an introvert these days. You never know who you’re helping just by being explicitly decent.
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world · 29 pts · 9d
Was your mom a right wing christian? cause that sounds like the kind of sadistic glee you only get from a right wing christian.
Firebirdie713@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 36 pts · 9d
Extremely. She and my dad were Catholic, and she was so right wing that she forced us to find a new church because our pastor said that we should treat non-Catholics and non-christians with respect because good works, not belief, is the key to salvation and the best form of worship.
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 9d
Sounds about right. No hate like christian love.
AskewLord@piefed.social · 47 pts · 9d
my dad basically told me how disappointed he was in me when he died.
because i didn't play high school football.
i was 30.
he was a weird bitter dude, really hung up on sports and a lot of trivial nonsense. only thing he ever seemed to enjoy in life was cruises and gambling.
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world · 28 pts · 9d
Look at it this way.
You did so well in life, the only thing he had to spew venom about was a utterly harmless choice you made as a child.
AskewLord@piefed.social · 17 pts · 9d
according to the rest of entire family I've done shit with my life because I'm not a multi-millionaire.
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 9d
sounds like the rest of your family are pathetic, jealous assholes too.
AskewLord@piefed.social · 1 pts · 7d
you mean they are totally normal human beings? yes, they are very very normal.
KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 8d
Shoulda fucked with him and told him you played but never told him because you were disappointed in him.
He was just trying to live your life, fuuuck him.
Seimhe@lemmy.world · 47 pts · 9d
I’m reading this at the moment. It sounds like you might have active abuse rather than detached neglect (which I believe is also abuse).
This stuff impacts us and those around us in the future. From personal experience it’s well worth talking to a pro about it.
snoons@lemmy.ca · 21 pts · 9d
That book is amazing.
https://openlibrary.org/works/OL20006178W/Adult_children_of_emotionally_immature_parents?edition=key%3A%2Fbooks%2FOL27186268M
*Found the .pdf!
Seimhe@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 9d
Glad to hear that. I’m only a few chapters in but it’s excellent so far and there is no filler. It can bring up memories, but it’s like the gym: worth it.
BertramDitore@lemmy.zip · 8 pts · 9d
Yeah, this book resonated with me and my experiences so profoundly that I could only read a chapter or two at a time before needing to put it down for a few days to process all the eureka moments. I recommend it to everyone I can.
agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works · 43 pts · 9d
My father was pretty draconic. No time for friends, no time for extra curriculars, no time for homework (he didn't believe in public education, which caused its own problems), because there was always something to do: my chores, my siblings' chores, home improvement projects, random "educational" outings that were mostly just me sitting in the car. Not to mention the verbal and physical abuse, leaving me on the side of the road to "scare me straight", making me live in a tent in the backyard for a while.
I tried to be the bigger person after I moved out and practice hippy-dippy radical forgiveness. Unfortunately, he's a malignant narcissist and even when he realized he had no leverage anymore and had to behave, he was still a really really bad influence. The more time I spent with him, the more his traits rubbed off on me. I had to cut him off entirely because it became too much.
CADmonkey@lemmy.world · 38 pts · 8d
This one may seem silly compared to the things I've read.
My parents gave me a strange eating disorder that it took a while to get over.
Mom refused to accept that there were foods or perhaps ingredients that I was either unwilling or unable to eat. As an example, Onions are horrible and they literally make me sick, whether its whole chunks of onion or powdered onion. But she kept sneaking onion into stuff she made because she just knew I'd like them if I just tried them! It wasn't a matter of "like" it was the fact that if I ate some I'd end up doing a technicolor yodel over the toilet while she told me I was being dramatic. Sometimes if I was really unlucky I wouldn't make it to the toilet which would make her even madder. So Id get spanked after puking.
This caused me to be really mistrustful of food that I didn't prepare myself. I also had problems eating in front of other people, because mom (both parents really) would get upset over how I was eating, and it took me until I was in my 30's before I was comfortable eating with other people around. Which did wonders for my social life in my 20's.
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world · 31 pts · 8d
Your mother feeding you food that makes you vomit, then beating you for vomiting, isnt silly my dude..
CADmonkey@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 8d
Yeah that occoured to me after I typed it all out. ☹️
greatwhitebuffalo41@slrpnk.net · 11 pts · 8d
That's incredibly fucked up and I'm sorry you had to deal with that.
one_old_coder@piefed.social · 36 pts · 9d
My father controlling me up to the age of 18, and preventing me from doing anything I wanted at home or at school (it was a prison, not the regular "school is boring"). The result is that I did nothing at school because I had anxiety 24 hours a day.
When I became an adult, I didn't knew what money or taxes were, I didn't knew that I had to take showers (because homework is more important), and I didn't knew how to use toilet paper. I used to take a bath once every two weeks because why not instead of taking daily showers. It took me 10 years to learn basic stuff like cooking or washing my ass.
Now that he's old and dying, he wants me to listen to his advice and help him with his phone and computer. I don't answer to such demands. And I'm pretty sure that when he dies, I'll only be sad for my mother, not him.
Seimhe@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 9d
I’m glad you’re maintaining a boundary that sounds right for you. I won’t be attending my father’s funeral at all.
rumba@lemmy.zip · 32 pts · 9d
I adopted a baby from a different race and my father only talks about the white one, refused to meet the other kid.
father in law posted KKK shit on his Facebook page.
we'll just prune those two branches now....
grrgyle@slrpnk.net · 12 pts · 9d
I'm sorry and good riddance to them.
some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org · 8 pts · 8d
Well, that's unfortunate. But at least you know the correct response.
VirtigoMommy@sh.itjust.works · 31 pts · 9d
Buying a brand new car when I didn’t have a bed to sleep on
greatwhitebuffalo41@slrpnk.net · 3 pts · 8d
That's fucked. Cared more about themselves than their child. Some people shouldn't have kids.
shartgargle@lemmy.zip · 31 pts · 9d
Remembering all the times growing up when teachers suggested I get tested for ADHD and my mom would refuse because she "wanted me to be me, not a zombie" but was wildly disastrous for my future. Now she claims she has it too.
Then she voted for trump 3X.
TheRagingGeek@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 8d
Sounds familiar, my 3rd grade teacher flagged me for ADD, but my parents were anti-psychology and in the “he’s just being a typical energetic kid. The lack of supports left me an awkward kid, who developed an unhealthy eating habit to get enough dopamine, which they then mocked me for and belittled my struggle to manage my weight. My wife witnessed it firsthand when I first brought her and my 2 year old son to visit, I broke down from embarrassment but she stood up and yelled at them for like 30 minutes about their wretched behavior. She definitely was the best choice in my life.
greatwhitebuffalo41@slrpnk.net · 10 pts · 8d
Your wife sounds wonderful ❤️
TheRagingGeek@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 8d
Hell yeah, she’s also like a brown belt in karate and kicked a dude trying to break into our house down our outside stairs(was only like 5 steps worth), she is a lady I never had to worry about.
greatwhitebuffalo41@slrpnk.net · 6 pts · 8d
Man I wanna be her friend lol. I just love too when people stand up for their partners and build them up. You guys keep enjoying each other ❤️
shartgargle@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 8d
Yup! I got called a "lump" a lot by my mother and step dad at the time. Not because I was fat, but because they said I was lazy. I'm sorry you had to grow up that way.
destructdisc@lemmy.world · 27 pts · 9d
Called my partner a gold digging whore (hilarious, considering she was earning 3x as much as I was at the time) and outright said I should marry the woman (daughter of a family friend) that they liked for me and keep my partner around as a side piece because "a real man knows how to make everyone happy".
I don't speak to them any more.
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world · 24 pts · 9d
"The girl you like is a whore, you'd be much better marrying this girl instead, and fucking other women, you know, like a whore, but a good one"
What stellar logic they have.
OmegaMouse@pawb.social · 27 pts · 9d
This feels quite minor compared to most of the stuff here, but something that has stuck with me.
I was on holiday with my parents when I was younger - maybe around 12 or 13. We were on a short boat trip, and I noticed my dad was wearing a baseball cap. In my mind I had this cute scene of me taking the hat off his head and putting it on myself, and all of us laughing. Kinda wholesome. But the second I reach for the hat he whacks me hard around the back of my head. I was more confused than anything - why did he instantly resort to violence? I hated the injustice of it; the image in my mind of doing something fun, something you'd see other families doing, but then the actual result being the complete opposite. I never understood it, but then I've never had much in common with my dad.
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 9d
I think your dad hitting you for no reason is a very valid, very not-minor issue friend.
We're not in the olympics, We're not racing for the gold medal in misery. We don't need to compare and rank what we've been through against others to find a winner.
What you went through shattered the image you had of father and family, and is very real and valid.
OmegaMouse@pawb.social · 14 pts · 9d
Thank you for saying so ❤️
greatwhitebuffalo41@slrpnk.net · 9 pts · 8d
Man I feel like I had those moments all the time in my family. I'm just going to do this fun harmless thing and they're going to enjoy it only to get hurt, yelled at or, grounded then be really really confused and try to get clarification on what the hell just happened and the response I get is "you know what you did!" Which made me more mad cause clearly I don't and I'm an angry crier then I'd get the "I'll give you something to cry about!"
Yeah I don't have and will have have kids of my own...
But anyways, I relate and I'm so sorry that happened to you.
stringere@sh.itjust.works · 27 pts · 9d
Choosing to invite my Jan 6er uncle to family events knowing I would never break break with an insurrectionist traitor.
First, I stopped attending family events. Eventually went no contact. Now my happiest recent memory of my mom is when my daughter couldn't remember her name.
IronpigsWizard@lemmy.world · 26 pts · 9d
Despite countless requests to not, they sent me to a parochial school where I was physically and sexually abused.
Anti_Iridium@lemmy.world · 26 pts · 9d
During covid my dad would not wear a mask willingly.
It shattered my perception of him, that probably will not ever go back to what it was.
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world · 26 pts · 9d
Covid and MAGA/Trumpism broke a lot of families, sadly.
So many good people who became permanently twisted into the nastiest of creatures.
BagOfHeavyStones@piefed.social · 26 pts · 9d
Probably variations of
"I'm going to kill myself cause of you."
And
"You have to love me or you have to leave."
We left.
spaghettiwestern@sh.itjust.works · 24 pts · 9d
It wasn't just one big thing (although there were plenty of those), it was death by 1000 cuts. In the end it was something relatively small. I asked her to remove me from her regular right-wing email blasts and she refused to do so. What kind of asshole refuses to do something so small for a complete stranger, much less a family member? A malignant narcissist asshole.
If you haven't read up on narcissistic family systems there's a lot of good content out there. Here's a short article.
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 9d
Because shes convinced if she harasses you enough, one day you'll break down and wake up and be like "HALLELUJAH MOMMA, I'VE SEEN BLUE EYED BLONDE HAIRED WHITE JESUS AND ITS ALL THANKS TO YOU NOT GIVING ME ANY RESPECT"
Typotyper@sh.itjust.works · 23 pts · 9d
Sent me a registered letter requesting I reply in kind and explain why he should keep talking to me.
20 years later he had no regrets, saw nothing wrong with what he said and did. Thinks we should carry on from where left off. He is also now disappointed with me because I never told him I have another kid. He wanted nothing to do with my other two but I should run around seeking his approval.
Krzd@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 8d
I already had a rocky relationship with my dad after he made some questionable statements concerning COVID, but there are 2 distinct memories that just keep popping up.
No 1 was him helping me move into my own apartment while my maternal grandfather was dying in the hospital. We were talking about vaccinations (a requirement to visit patients) and how me and my brother got one, he started tearing up and said something about how kids shouldn't die before their parents, how egotistical we were for getting vaccinated, and how we'll die in 2 years.
No 2 was a few years later, we were standing on the sidewalk after having watched a movie, and someone had hung a pride flag from their balcony across the street. And while I'm not part of the LGBTQ community, I have good friends that are, and am firmly of the opinion that people should be allowed to do who and whatever they want to, as long as everyone involved consents. However, my dad apparently felt important enough to complain about how that's just "gay propaganda" and how he "isn't against it but they shouldn't force it into everyone's face" and so on.
My guy, it's a flag. On a balcony. On the 4th fucking floor!? Chill out.
dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 8d
And yet motherfuckers are still allowed to hang a Confederate battle flag off of their house and nobody burns their shit down. So yeah, I don't want to hear anyone's whining about a pride flag.
some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org · 12 pts · 8d
My mother once said to me she didn't appreciate how The Gays had to be "all in your face about it." Oh, shit, Mom. Did two guys force you to watch them make out at the store? Cause that'd be in your face about it. She was the reason I was homophobic until I was 20.
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 8d
Gays existing is "all up in your face about it", but Mom tongue fucking her far to young boy toys mouth hole is just natural wholesomeness and why are you getting so upset about it.
TheRagingGeek@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 8d
My dad was a rush limbaugh guy in the 90’s then moved to info wars, my mother who he married when she was 16 dotes on him due to his history of being abused as a child, so my dad never grew up, never learned any hard lessons, and she never made anything of herself but to be his voice box when I refused to debate him on politics.
My mom then only called to relay her struggles, or to nudge me on politics, I would call her on holidays and gift them lavishly with my nice IT job, especially after my dad was forced into retirement during Covid.
Anytime I mentioned a challenge in my life they would turn it around and tell me how they had it worse, when I told them good news, it barely registered.
The last straw was when she called me just before the last presidential election to strongarm me into voting for Trump. She crossed a line and I hung up. Haven’t talked since, and finally have peace in my life, well some peace anyway.
some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org · 12 pts · 8d
Congratulations! I mean it.
viertesauge@feddit.org · 21 pts · 9d
entering my flat multiple times without my consent/knowledge and not leaving when asked to (thanks for the 3h meltdown where I was completly locked inside my brain and couldnt do anything but repeat a few words over and over and rock back and forth on the couch, really liked that one)
ignoring obvious signs of mental/neurological issues in their child (because somehow children cant have those??)
treating our relationship as something transactional
forcing me to do activities i really dont want to, trying to argue away my fears and thinking they "won" after i shut up
I might talk to them again if they write a letter apologizing for atleast something. I havent told them this and i realise that its kind of unfair to set a condition that the other party doesnt know about, but if they dont come to this conclusion themselves then it doesnt feel genuine to me. It really sucks because I have no other people to rely on (emotional and material) but it also kind of was like that before I stopped talking to them, because every favour needs to be repaid or might be used in an argument against me and every fear and concern is argued away.
edit: oh and i realise that some of this is my fault because i really am sometimes difficult to deal with and very stubborn and i try to take responsibility, but at the same time it often feels like I have to work with both of my hands tied behind my back and I wasnt given the tools as a child to do better.
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 9d
None of its your fault, bro.
Its all theirs for their failure to get you the help you needed much earlier in life, and for being domineering shitbags.
You owe them nothing.
viertesauge@feddit.org · 9 pts · 9d
Thats very nice of you to say but I often think of them more as ill-equipped and overwhelmed. I dont hate them and I understand its really hard to reflect on your arguments if your opponent is a literal child who doesnt know better and is dependant on you. Ironicly I sometimes think the people who dont want children, because they are afraid of doing something wrong, would be the best parents but whatever.
SolSerkonos@piefed.social · 6 pts · 9d
That kinda tracks. Like how the people that should have power are the ones that don't want it.
viertesauge@feddit.org · 4 pts · 9d
Obviously I dont know if this is true but I believe many people who have kids just want a cute baby and the idea that their "tribe" continues in the world. when it turns out to be an actual person with needs beyond food and shelter, they become overwhelmed. And to be fair to my parents; I had most things i could have wished for and never lived in poverty, but humans are just way too complex that you can expect them to turn out just fine on their own.
AnarchistArtificer@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 9d
My mum wanted kids because she was pretty heavily parentified when she was still a child herself, and was often put in the impossible situations like "I need to figure out how to feed my toddler younger brother who I am responsible for", which led to her having to teach him help her shoplift by hiding food when he was sitting in the shopping trolley at the supermarket. She wanted the opportunity to be the parent that she wished she could've had.
That's certainly a more noble goal than simply wanting to continue one's family line, but there's still a deep immaturity to it in hindsight. Her childhood left her pretty thoroughly fucked up, and you can't move on from that kind of trauma just by deciding to be better. Healing requires a lot of support, time and effort. Although she did infinitely better than her parents did, her baggage ended up bringing a lot of toxicity to my teenage years, and our relationship was permanently harmed by that. Some of her most toxic traits were as a result of overcorrecting after deciding that she wanted to be nothing like her parents had been.
viertesauge@feddit.org · 2 pts · 9d
Yes, the bloodline and cute baby thing is probably a cope on my end. There are tons of reasons why someone might or might not want kids. I dont know why my parents had children because I never asked.
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 9d
they would 100% be better parents, because they are already so concerned about the childs welfare that they are terrified of harming it.
unlike pieces of shit like the parents being talked about here.
viertesauge@feddit.org · 3 pts · 9d
I understand that you need to vent and I dont know if you are talking about my parents or yours or just the thread in general, but just in case please dont call my parents that. they are very flawed people yes and they didnt do what they should have, but I havent written everything in my first post and for all you know I could be lying (conciously or subconciously). They tried (maybe their best) but it wasnt enough. Sometimes it just doesnt work out. It just sucks that you, I and the other people in this thread in similar situations have to deal with the fallout.
Viceversa@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 9d
But you don't know this.
lemmyng@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 9d
My father definitelty had narcissistic personality disorder, untreated of course because his culture downplays any sort of emotional introspection. He cheated on my mom and tried to justify it by claiming she wasn't satisfying his sexual needs, when in reality she was medically compromised, and couldn't physically reciprocate those needs all the time.
Not to say my mother was a saint, cause she had her own issues of emotional detachment at times where she could be comforting most of the time but cold if you said the wrong thing to her, to the point where she beat me one time because I claimed offhandedly to my sister that "mom hates me". She and my dad still used corporal punishment to keep us and our cousins in line.
But I still respected her more than my father cause she helped not only her family members, but my dad's family members as well, allowing his brother to stay with us for a while as he traveled to the US. She even helped my dad write his own dissertation while she was raising me and my sister. Not to mention she hosted both her parents and took care of them and helped them find jobs.
But my father decided to be one of the most depsicable human beings I know personally because when my grandfather on my mom's side died and we all traveled out of the country to arrange, organize and attend his funeral, he not only brought the woman he was fucking into the house, they apparently had sex all over the house, leaving used condoms in several spots, they slept in my mother's bed, and he took her to various tourist spots that my mom practically had to drag him to. And it gets worse: He used the excuse of attending the graduation of his daughter from his previous marriage to get out of attending my grandfather's funeral, and of course, he didn't go to that event either despite my half-sister mailing him an invite.
And that's not even getting into the shit he did before he met my mom.
Yes, it gets much talk in therapy.
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 9d
Brother, i hope you are talking about your mom too in therapy
because the whole "I said mom hates me, and she responded by beating shitless.. I have so much respect for her" is just as big a can of worms as your dad being a filthy whore.
Malyca@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 9d
Your dad sounds like my dad
Elgenzay@lemmy.ml · 21 pts · 9d
My mom poured bleach into the enclosures of my brother's pet tarantulas when she was kicking him out over laundry or something.
He's a better person than i cause he still cares about her
turtlesareneat@piefed.ca · 20 pts · 9d
I'm gay but like, the kind that almost got murdered in the 90s for coming out in a rural high school (I know Judy Shepard well). Fast forward to my mom telling me she's conservative in every way "except she belongs to the log cabin republicans" and I just lost it. "God gave you a gay kid so you could realize everything else they're saying is a lie, too, but you're too stupid to get that."
And that's when I suddenly realized she had been outright abusive and manipulative my whole life, and it was just this idea of a perfect mom that clouded my vision on it. She weaponized her kids against our dad, his family, anyone she didn't like. Because she was too much of a victim to fight her own fights. Emotional incest. Lots of therapy fodder.
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 9d
oh the emotional incest is ever so much fun.
8 years old and having to be their external emotional regulator while they dump all sorts of inappropriate stress and bullshit on you
greatwhitebuffalo41@slrpnk.net · 2 pts · 8d
Yeah I'm uncovering a lot of that about my own Mom in addition to the things that were obvious. I'm sorry, that sucks.
Triumph@fedia.io · 19 pts · 9d
I was broke and hungry in college. My mother had already told me not to ask her for money, but I called anyway, hoping maybe my gran could help. My mother screamed at me and hung up.
I didn't take action on this for another thirty years.
northernlights@lemmy.today · 19 pts · 9d
Does it count if it's the parent of my kid? When our daughter was around 1yo my ex-wife got mad at her for being too selfish. I found her pouting not wanting anything to do with our 1yo because she was "not nice to her". That really opened my eyes to her personality.
swelter_spark@reddthat.com · 19 pts · 8d
There are so many things.
After I was in a car accident in college, my mom convinced me that it was too risky to take my car to a shop in the city where I lived, so I let her take it to her own mechanic.
Months went by, and every time I asked about it, she claimed it was still at the shop and she had no idea why it was taking so long.
After I lost both my jobs because I didn't have reliable transportation, I found out that my mom hadn't taken my car to the shop.
She had been letting my younger brother, who still lived at home, drive my (unrepaired!) car to community college so she didn't have to give him a ride.
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 7d
I bet they'd been looking for an excuse for years to nab your car and give it to him.
swelter_spark@reddthat.com · 2 pts · 4d
I think it was mostly laziness on her part.
She always said that if we wanted to go to college, we had to do it all ourselves, because she wasn't going to help.
When my bro was in high school, he took the bus. Starting community college meant she'd have to drive him or buy him his own car, which I'm sure she didn't want to do.
But, you're right, she might also have resented that my dad bought me a car .
She's such a bizarrely dishonest person, it's difficult to understand her motivations.
AnarchistArtificer@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 9d
She got drunk and was crying about her regret about not aborting me. She came from a larger family and wanted more kids than she ended up having, but my dad's personal limit was 2-3 kids — and kid number three was only to try for a daughter if kid number 2 ended up being another boy. Me being a girl meant that she could only have two kids, and the fact that I was pretty fucked up means that she felt like she'd "wasted" a kid on me, so to speak
I don't blame my mum for having these thoughts, as awful as they may be. At the time, I had not long since been diagnosed with autism, and my mental health was pretty awful too, which must've been a lot of stress for a parent to handle. What I do blame her for is being deeply depressed and having her teenage daughter be her primary (and basically only) emotional outlet.
Whilst I am theoretically open to having a relationship with her in future, if she ever got sober (though that seems unlikely I'd learn of her being sober, as I went No Contact with her years ago), I'll never be able to forget how much she hurt me. She wasn't the root cause of my mental health problems, but she certainly made them a hell of a lot worse. And given that she never remembered the stuff she said when she was this drunk, I'll never get the closure of a genuine apology.
What's especially tragic about my mum is that she's actually pretty well adjusted, considering the awful childhood she had. The main thing she wanted from life was to be a mum, and to do a better job than her own mum had. I do think she achieved that, and there are so many things that I feel appreciative of her for. Unfortunately, no amount of good can make up for the hurt that she caused when she'd get drunk and pile her grief onto me. Most of the time her drunken tears were far less hurtful, but it's still a heavy burden to put on an already struggling teenager.
It's a shame, because I think she could've been an incredible parent if she'd been able to get therapy in the few years after she moved out but before she fell pregnant.
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 9d
How fucking awful was her mom, if she achieved being better with how you were treated to emotional incest and bearing the brunt of drunken grief bombing.
bizarroland@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 8d
It's weird because like my mom was a pretty terrible mom and yet because I know how evil my grandmother is like she actually did succeed at being a better mother than her own mother.
Just the bar was so low that going up three or four notches was still deeply in the bowels of hell.
Like the only thing that separates my mom from being a good mom was her own psychological issues stemming from having been raised by her mother.
If she had been able to find a good man and hold on to him to fill in the gap between what she had and what she lacked, she would have been a great mom.
For instance, my dad was a pretty good man. But he wasn't white, and so my grandparents conspired together to get my mom to separate from him and isolate her, which then led to her cheating on my dad and getting pregnant with my little sister, so she had to divorce my dad because of the shame of her own actions.
My dad was in the military and my mom got pregnant with me while they were stationed in Germany and my grandparents used the idea of me needing to be born in America to get her to come back to America.
His deployment didn't end until just before my first birthday. He got back and was immediately served divorce paperwork, and while the divorce was going on, my mom gave birth to my little sister, who is just slightly more than a year younger than me.
The really sad thing is, is my dad still loved her and probably would have figured out a way to make it work and to forgive her if she had tried, but she didn't try, she absolutely rejected him and he carried the emotional pain of that for the rest of his life.
AnarchistArtificer@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 9d
When my mum was a child, when she wet the bed, she had her nose rubbed in it, like a dog.
Her step dad used to get her half siblings to restrain her arms as one of them beat her up.
When still a child herself, she was made responsible for the wellbeing of multiple of her very young siblings, necessitating her teaching her younger brother to help her shoplift food if they wanted to eat anything before their evening meal.
The thing is with my mum is that the good times were very good, and on average, she was still pretty decent — and that's with awful things like the emotional abusive dragging down that average. As much as I still feel hurt over what she put me through, I also feel a like of sympathy for her. She tried to be better than what she had, and whilst she did succeed in that, that says as much about the extremely low bad as it does about the good she achieved as a parent.
CultLeader4Hire@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 9d
Refused to acknowledge cystic fibrosis is actually a real difficult struggle that I needed help and support with
cdf12345@lemmy.zip · 8 pts · 8d
Shit man, I feel that. How are you these days?
CultLeader4Hire@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 8d
I’m post lung transplant and doing a lot better but I still haven’t gotten over having to shoulder so much when I shouldn’t have had to
cdf12345@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 8d
I’m 19 years post Tx.
In the middle of a divorce, finally decided to see a therapist.
Having the feeling of inevitable doom my whole life probably didn’t do me any favors, especially how I approached things I felt were dumb, unimportant and a waste of what i felt was my limited time.
That said it’s extremely difficult to get me upset by most things that I still see as trivial now. So I ended up with the reputation of being extremely chill and laid back. I just always felt I had limited time and energy and I wasn’t going to waste it of crap that didn’t matter.
I think I ended up with a lot of general empathy, especially for people whose issues go mostly unnoticed or ignored by most people.
It also made me fiercely independent. Spent the last few years helping my wife recover from a major surgery and diagnosis only to be hit with divorce papers.
I’m looking forward to just worrying about myself for a while.
Anyways. Always nice to run into a fellow post-transplant CF’r in the wild.
4grams@awful.systems · 17 pts · 9d
Mine has turned every conversation into a political fight and now refuses to speak with me unless I agree with their prejudices and medical quackery.
BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 17 pts · 9d
Showed me his dick multiple times.
LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 8d
Sorry that happened, horrible situation
GrayBackgroundMusic@lemmy.zip · 17 pts · 9d
Me - "if you could go back and change your divorce from Mom, would you change anything?"
Dad - "no"
The man left and I mean LEFT. When I told him about how much that had damaged me, I asked him this. This is merely a crumb of how little a shit he gave about me. Die alone, fuck face.
ace_garp@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 8d
Facts.
Having no regrets, being non-reflective, and non-empathetic toward offspring is not stoic, it's self-centered and destructive.
GrayBackgroundMusic@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 8d
It's often narcissistic too
nickiwest@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 8d
I had a similar situation. My dad signed away all rights (and obligations) when I was 2 and left the country shortly thereafter.
I found him when I was in my late 30s.
At least he had the good grace to be apologetic and remorseful about his youthful decision-making.
I'm sorry yours seems to be such a waste of space.
Naive@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 9d
Calling me heretic and deviant in my early teens, Getting enormously angry when I try to challenge their viewpoints (once they said that even if we are wrong, you have to say that we are right, upon which I remained silent and they get angry), Being against other religions and ideologies, mocking them and calling LGBTQ+ a mental illness (luckily, I did not come out to them), Being angry and thinking I am arrogant if I choose not to talk to them and to be in my own space, Forcing me to eat and drink a lot more than I want, Comparing and belittling me yet still saying "We love you", Not letting me go outside and now they complain why I don't go outside, Always saying, "We did not even beat you or did anything physical. We give you so much comfort but you disappointed us, you pimp, dog, bastard", Saying I am not masculine just cuz I am extremely careful not to neglect my sunscreen, I get sick here and now and so I trust medicine over the pseudoscientific remedies, and many other things which made me lost trust in them and entire humanity and even myself sometimes. I will not forgive them.
some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org · 6 pts · 8d
Nor should you. But don't lose trust in yourself. You'll fuck up, sometimes. You won't know the right thing to do. You'll say the wrong thing and make yourself or someone else feel bad. But that's life.
You're also the person who you'll be with for the rest of your life (you can't change that). Work on learning to love yourself. It makes a huge difference when you get there. I wish you the best.
Naive@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 8d
Thanks mate
HubertManne@piefed.social · 16 pts · 9d
boy that is a can of worms. my mom sorta spoiled the relationship with all her kids. Whats funny is she is really not that bad. If you have distance from her. My father in law was kinda the same and early on my wife and I bonded on how our parents were. Essentially there is a type of person where if they have any type of authority they are aweful but if you are completely out of their control then they are not all that bad.
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 9d
Saying they are great parents as long as you have a lot of distance emotionally, and geologically, so they can exercise no control over you makes it sound like maaaybe they aint so great parents.
HubertManne@piefed.social · 5 pts · 9d
yeah that is why I did not use the word great. not all that bad is not so great usually. like that pizza was not all that bad.
Darkassassin07@lemmy.ca · 16 pts · 9d
My mother returned to Canada to visit her mother who was slowly dying of ALS. (Where I was born. We had moved to my fathers home country when I was 10, to see his side of the family and experience more of the world)
During her whole absence, my father cheated on her with various women, even taking me on a couple of his dates. When she got back and found out, she decided to leave permanently.
I (12m) was given the option of staying with either. I chose to go with her.
In the last week before I was to leave; he said he wanted to spend time with me and took me out to a couple 'fun tourist attractions'. A jet boat ride, a zipline, some random park. Each of these, he brought one of his girlfriends that he'd been cheating with (not the same one each time). We also went to at least one of their houses, as well as his weed dealers hidden under-house grow-op/party room thing. More focused on his dates than actually spending any time with me. Avoiding time with me had been a common theme throughout our lives/relationship.
I later learned he'd abused my older step-sister when she was much younger...
I've deliberately not spoken to him since. ~15 years later I sent him a couple old family videos I'd digitised (with my sister censored out of them), of when I was born and a few of the years immediately after. Mostly as a reminder of what he threw in the trash.
From what I've heard, he ended up homeless and jobless for quite a while and now lives with his mother.
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 9d
I'm sorry if this is a harsh question, but do you think he cared about the videos or what he missed?
Darkassassin07@lemmy.ca · 7 pts · 9d
(Part of) His response:
"Its bitter/ sweet to recall those happy times but i cherish that you choose to share them with me."
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 9d
i am honestly shocked, and wondering if thats a masked reply or genuine.
Darkassassin07@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 9d
I got a photo of his drivers license shortly before that, (needed his ID to close and cash out an RESP that had been setup for me in 2007).
In his DL photo, he looks like he's had a really rough time since we left. Like he's aged 30 years in half that time. The metadata of the photo shows it was taken at his moms house.
Serves him right.
Part of me sent the videos to see if he cared, part of me just wanted to make him remember he had a happy family and a fairly good life; until he ruined it.
Life hasn't been easy for any of us, but this side of the family at least still has eachother. It's the only thing that's kept us going TBH.
Malyca@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 9d
Narcissists only care about themselves
Toasticus@piefed.social · 15 pts · 9d
Metaphorically speaking, but putting the boot down on the neck that is the form of my individuality. They both did a terrible job in preparing me for life. Their idea of readying you for life is going on tireless banters about themselves and maybe a couple lessons dropped in between. There's just no recovery when parents just do not prepare for you for life, leaving you into a life full of struggle and improvision.
TheRagingGeek@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 8d
Facts, my parents never accepted who I am and wanted me to be another racist robot like them, they were flabbergasted when I didn’t return home after losing my first big job. I had met the woman who became my wife, she and life taught me way more than they ever did, the only thing my parents did right and ultimately hated me for was buying me a set of science encyclopedias which allowed me to find my passion for science.
some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org · 10 pts · 8d
My mother got mad when she found my friend teaching me to do my own laundry, said we'd break the washing machine. Later, I shrunk my favorite tshirts doing laundry when I got an apt.
corruptmagician@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 9d
Cheated on my mom with a vile woman who had vile children (most much older than me) Let her push my sister and I around and eventually away. Stood there and did nothing while her entire family belittled and emotionally abused my sister on a near daily basis and had the balls to ask us why we don't reach out to him. There is a lot but that's the tldr.
waitingtech@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 8d
Neglect stories... I've got a few.
From the time I was six or seven she tried to reason with me (with +3-hr scoldings) and get me to change to her christo-Amway of thinking up till I was 16. Than I has a choice: knuckle under or get out. Being 16 and full of great, well thought out plans I left with three garbage bags of winter wear and clothes. Yes, she and him (my father) agreed that the decision to leave was my own to make. At sixteen.
Fast forward to me being 62. She lies dying in a home, and forgives me as her final act of charity. Yeah, ok, so buh-bye.
And him? Dementia. Game. Set. Match.
Treat your children as precious (if temporarily irritating) treasures and remember you only get to throw them away once.
dethedrus@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 12 pts · 8d
Mine was a cold, brittle narcisst. Any good I did, she had done... frequently with stories how someone had told her she was the best they'd ever seen. A less stupid version of Trump.
Sadly, she was actually quite brilliant in her field (biochemistry), while simultaneously being so ardent of an adherent of a panoply of new age crap (psychic healing and the like) that she literally prevented me from getting surgery for a TBI. Instead of much needed medical assistance, I got veggie smoothies and visits to her weird friends. My head still hurts.
There was so much more crap after that, but it was such a revelation as an adult that she would rather I suffer than admit her 'genius' wasn't the solution to all problems.
She died in December. I shrugged.
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 8d
That is so often the case, that people who are competent in one regard, take that confidence from their one narrow field of knowledge and end up with the undeserved, unwarranted belief they are competent in all regards.. and end up being some of the most narrowly brilliant but broadly imbecilic assholes around.
dethedrus@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 8d
She delighted in making others feel lesser for being less 'intelligent'. And as she aged became decidedly anti-science... quite likely the cause of her death.
She ignored exceedingly high blood pressure and cholesterol, 'treating' then entirely with herbs and diet. Preventive dietary changes can work wonders on health, but modern medicine still has valid use cases. Yet she was so far up her own butt in this delusion of omni-competence that she was certain she knew more than any doctor.
She had a massive stroke in 2023 and died from the flu last year. Of course she was anti-vaxx, so that may well have been an inciting incident as well.
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 7d
theres a reason half of all people died before the age of 35, before modern medicine started to come up and around.
Nickelalloy@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 8d
So glad to see you put words on this phenomenon.
I have seen it all to much.
Epp@lemmus.org · 1 pts · 8d
crypt0cler1c@infosec.pub · 12 pts · 8d
Recognized for being really intelligent.
Rejected my thoughts and opinions about everything because it scares their fundamentalist religious sensabilities.
That cognitive dissonance still fucks with me.
FatVegan@leminal.space · 6 pts · 8d
My dad isn't religious at all, but is a narcissistic shithead, and everything is dumb except him. Everything he does is smart, everything me and my sister does is dumb. It annoys the fuck out of me and we hardly even talk. I sometimes ask him for advice on some things, just to make him feel better, and every time he says the dumbest shit imaginable. He complqined about his electric bill last year, and i said mine is way lower, even with my heat pump. He said there must be a mistake. And i told him it's because he turns on the light every morning and leaves it on all day, everywhere he goes in the house, every single day. Whenever someone asks him he says something like: electricity is cheap or he can afford it, or just laughs. He's a lazy sack of shit, that's all, and since i told him that's why, he does it out of spite.
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 7d
Oh I run into this very often with friends and family.
"Hey, you're smart and can figure things out, how do I solve X"
They get an answer they don't like, and I immediately go back to being a dumbfuck who doesnt know anything.
some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org · 12 pts · 8d
Vote for Trump a third time. Fuck you, mom. You're officially a Bad Person™.
Visiting the family next month and I forbade them from telling her we're coming. I said they can tell her whatever they want after we're gone.
Epp@lemmus.org · 2 pts · 8d
Same here, except it was my Dad and his family. My mom is the only one opposed, but that doesn't stop her from maintaining relationships with the bad people. She doesn't like being told she has Stockholm's syndrome for staying with a misogynist, but it's true nonetheless.
greatwhitebuffalo41@slrpnk.net · 12 pts · 8d
If I wasn't a good as her, I needed to do better, try harder, stop being lazy etc. If I was better than her at something she would pick out the most miniscule flaw she could come up with and give it to me as a back handed complement then slowly work it into random conversations until it became my insecurity.
The thing that sticks with me the most though, she had me absolutely convinced I was far too fat to wear shorts in public, let alone a bikini. Finally was convinced by my group of friends that I was in fact, normally sized and literally handed one and told to wear it.
I was not expecting to see my Mom between getting dressed and going to the pool. She asked me if I was really going out like that and how I was going to handle everyone making fun of me then highly suggested I go change into my 1 piece. Said she wasn't going to feel bad for me when I came back crying
That broke me. Of course I believed her. She was my Mom she just wanted what was best for me right? I can still see the look on my friend's face when I came back in the room to change and she said "you know that's not true right? There's nothing wrong with you. This is about her."
Took me years and years to realize she was very wrong. I didn't let anyone take pictures of me for awhile after that but I saw some recently of 3 years later when I had "gained some weight." Holy fuck, there is zero chance in hell I was fat.
Anyways, she had a horrible, long {9 years), and painful death and probably got abused pretty bad in the nursing home. Good riddance to that piece of shit. Because I got off easy with just emotional and mental trauma. What she did to my siblings was significantly worse.
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 8d
I'm sorry.
greatwhitebuffalo41@slrpnk.net · 5 pts · 8d
She can't hurt me anymore. Wish she stuck around long enough to pay for my therapy though 🤣🤣 not that she would've.
But thank you.
Malyca@lemmy.zip · 12 pts · 9d
My mom was similar. The worst thing that happened was I was assaulted by a stranger at age 4, I happily told her about it as part of my day, I had no idea anything bad happened because he told me he was a doctor. She understandibly lost her shit and that scared me, she started calling me stupid and how could I let this happen and on and on. As an autistic kid obsessed with being good, it completely shattered me. I was never able to trust her with anything ever again. One traumatic event broke the relationship in that way for good. Her narcissistic bullshit, like what you've described, is what broke the rest of it as well as gave me a good case of cPTSD.
SabinStargem@lemmy.today · 11 pts · 8d
I suppose most folks would consider my breaking point to be unwarranted.
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About four or so years back, a parent fell over. They are heavyset, requiring firemen to be lifted off the floor. They were nude, so I asked the fire department to send same-gender fighters, if that can be reasonably done. My parent threatened to have me thrown out of the household, out of embarrassment.
While that ultimately didn't happen, it was a great breach of trust for me. I don't have enough of an income to survive without a home, and quite frankly, I will take my life if I can't enjoy it. Far as I am concerned, the threat of homelessness and poverty, isn't much different than having a gun to my head.
I realized that this parent, like the other one, didn't love me. The affection I held for them was fading over the years, but this is what broke the chain for me. I don't love them anymore - they are like a rock or any random thing. They just exist. I won't hurt them, but I also stopped going the extra mile. I ceased patrolling to check on their health, nor did I try to cook real meals or ask if I should fetch restaurant food for them. I simply made TV dinners at the appropriate times, and didn't speak to my parent anymore.
My relationship was simply one of going through the motions.
Nickelalloy@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 8d
Sad to hear in several ways, sorry for the situatuon.
Apologize this might be a rude question but how did your parent make thier livehood while being in that condition?
SabinStargem@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 8d
Savings. Helped run a business, until they divorced from the owner, about 15ish or so years ago.
historicaldocuments@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 8d
Point clarification: the firefighters ended up not being necessary?
And yes, like training an LLM, you've taken in negative feedback to not do this, not do that, maybe some positive feedback along the way on how to do something right, and when things really mattered and someone was in danger, you engaged the LLM part of your brain to think two steps ahead...and it gets thrown back in your face.
Your breaking point is completely warranted, because you hit a point where you realized that no amount of messing with internal weights and trying to guess what they want would ever work, so why bother stressing over it anymore?
SabinStargem@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 8d
The firefighters were necessary, and falls of this nature kept happening at an increasing pace. That parent, simply isn't able to walk safely anymore - and they have a stubborn streak of not asking people to help them. This residence I am in, also has many hoarded items of that parent, that are not allowed to be thrown away.
Fortunately, they are now in a elderly care facility.
historicaldocuments@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 8d
Congratulations on getting almost all the way out. It sounds like the hoarded items thing will come up at some point, but you knew that.
Your reaction is a lot like that of people who've been parentified when they were younger (forced to take care of younger siblings). There's a similar reaction out of the parents when the child doesn't carry out the portion of The Plan devised for them.
There's more honesty in a parent/child relationship where the parents tell the children they're out the door on their 18th birthday so the children have time to plan. At least that way the children know for sure where they stand.
bizarroland@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 9d
My mom and dad divorced soon after I was born because my mom had cheated on my dad and gotten pregnant with my little sister from her first husband. So I have the privilege of having an older brother and a younger sister that have the same dad and mom and me in the middle with a different dad and a different skin color.
Life was what it was, but then my dad, who was a huge Trump supporter and refused to mask up, got the 'rona and died from it. To this day I have no idea why my dad was a Trump supporter, Trump stood for everything that he personally hated, but for some reason just the delulu had gotten a hold of him.
His wife, my stepmom, put an obituary paper out and named my older brother and me but left my bastard younger sister off of it because my older brother had realized his dad was a piece of shit and asked my dad to be his dad in his place, which my dad agreed to while my younger sister had explicitly told my dad to forget that she exists, to fuck off, and to never speak to her again, to which my dad said, okay.
My mom called me up to bitch me out that my little sister was not included on my dad's death notice, and in the middle of bitching me out, told me she wishes she had divorced my dad sooner, and even though she didn't say it, she was implying that she wished she had divorced him before she had gotten pregnant with me.
I called her a cunt and blocked her completely for three and a half years, unblocked her to chew her out when I saw that even though I had her block she was sending me links to TikToks which I don't use TikTok to show me videos that say "I don't know what to say to you".
I am finally reaching the point where I can be rationally angry instead of irrationally angry when I think about it.
This is not the first time I've cut my mom out of my life. The first time was when I was 17 and I chose to be homeless for years rather than to enable her to enable her abusive husband to abuse me.
The only reason I ever opened the door again and allowed her back into my life was because my dad pleaded with me to do so.
So when she cursed his dead body, and implied that the child that she had with him should never have been born, despite the only reason she was in a position to do that was because the dead man had vouched for her, out of love, was fucking a bridge too far.
And I also have blocked my sister. She should be fucking ecstatic that my dad did precisely what she asked him to do.
inb4_FoundTheVegan@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 8d
When I was 15 or so I get home from school and get a AIM message from an account I don't know claiming to be a girl at my school who has a crush on me, but too shy to reveal who she is. Which was weird all by itself because I didn't use AIM often.
At first I'm delighted, but she quickly becomes sexual. Talking about masturbating to me in very explicit detail. I get freaked out and stop responding. Which prompts an angry phone call from my Dad saying the account is messaging him now and bothering him at work. How she got my account info wss confusing, but i didn't even know my dad had an account.
So I respond a few more times, and very quickly "she" starts sending me porn, which then turns to sending CSAM saying I need to masturbate to it too. I'm freaking tf out and block the account. Which prompts another angry phone call. I tell my dad I don't know this person and tell him to just block the account to stop him getting bothered. He calls me a pussy and hangs up.
When he gets home, I tell him that the account was sending me freaky stuff. He stomps over to the computer, opens an terminal and typed a long string of characters that returns our IP address. "If it happens again, do this and we can catch this freak". He then abruptly closes the window before I can even read what he typed, much less remember it. He slams his bedroom door and that's the last I see of him for the night.
Took me a long time to fully understand and accept what happened that night, but I never looked at my dad the same again. There were a few more odd situations where he put CSAM in front of me or sent it to my step-dad getting him fired. But he died before I gathered the courage to confront him.
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 7d
Wait..
your dad was AIMing you, pretending to be a girl your age? sending you child porn?
What the fuck
inb4_FoundTheVegan@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 7d
Yes. :/
There were other similar things he did but those are harder to talk about. This memory is just so absurd that it feels less personal.
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 7d
I'm sorry, dude.
TediousLength@lemmy.ca · 10 pts · 8d
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 7d
Wow.. your parents failed you and protected the one that traumatized you in some of the worst ways imaginable.
I'm so sorry.
thisbenzingring@lemmy.today · 10 pts · 9d
I don't speak to either of my parents. Both are still alive from what I can tell. My mom has deep mental health issues she refuses to accept and deal with. She probably has dementia and last time I spoke with her she thought everyone in the family was dead. Her story is sad and I tried for years to help her but you can't help someone who won't help themselves.
My father was never really around me growing up. I didn't even know who he was until I was like 8 and he was in the hospital because he almost died in a drunken car wreck. He killed his best friend and crippled his best friends brother. I was homeless and asked to live with him when I was 15. He was always drunk but one night after coming home from the bar slurring drunk and threatened to shoot me in the head with his shotgun in the wood shed, I went and lived with my best friend for a year and then my older sister for the last year in highschool. Later in life I tried to reconnect with him but one day he showed up on my doorstep demanding money for a car he cosigned and I couldn't afford so we turned it over to the bank. He demanded I pay him back because it hurt his credit score. Like the dude was never in my life and didn't pay child support or when he did it was always late. Caused me a lot of pain and suffering.
I unloaded years worth of pain and suffering he caused me that day and haven't spoken to him in over 30 years.
The joys of modern Native American life....
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 9d
I'm sorry man. I hope you are doing okay in life and have healthy outlets for dealing with this incredible burden and stress.
thisbenzingring@lemmy.today · 5 pts · 9d
I'm am, thank you. My wife and I have been married for 20+ years and I have been successful in my life enough to be well on my way to being debt free and home payed for years before retirement.
Early in my life I decided to approach big decisions by asking myself what would my parents do and then avoiding those choices. Worked out really well.
Hossenfeffer@feddit.uk · 10 pts · 9d
Well, mine both died, so there's that.
But prior to that they voted for Brexit.
greatwhitebuffalo41@slrpnk.net · 2 pts · 8d
I'm sorry for your loss and for their questionable decisions
corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca · 9 pts · 8d
My dad invited me to meet him at work, one day. It was a bad week for me and the new step-mother getting along, and so I wasn't surprised. We took a little walk from the shop and stopped to chat.
"I've given you all 25 years of my life," was when the conversation changed, mid-speech. "Now it's time for me. It's my time."
It was how he invited me to go live with my mom, or just go. It began a bit of a formative time filled with stress and anger, and I daresay we've not been the same since.
Donjuanme@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 9d
Told me I was probably over reacting and didn't see things properly when I sent him a video of my neighbor loading a rifle outside our apartment and looking into our window.
I'd just had a blow-up with his roommate/girlfriend about him idling his truck for an excessive amount of time outside our bedroom window every morning, five minutes later he screeches back into the parking lot, drops the lift gate, pulls out a rifle and starts loading it. I got it all on camera because I saw him jump out of the truck looking pissed. Sent the video to the parent and asked him WTF I should do, he said I'm probably over reacting and he had probably simply forgotten it in his truck and was taking it home.
He literally looked at something I was experiencing and told me I wasn't seeing what I saw. This was just 1 more straw and it finally broke my back. He taught me gun safety, fucking cowardly despicable human.
These days I regret not turning him in for the things I'd found on his computer. That should've sealed the deal a long time ago, but kids are dumb and now I'm sure the evidence is gone, and I'm happy to just be done with the waste of breath.
MrOtingocni@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 9d
They died. That kind of put a damper on things. Haven't had much contact with them since.
Norin@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 9d
I heard him shout to someone else that he didn’t care about me or my siblings. Today, the feeling is mutual.
alternategait@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 9d
She delayed an apology too long.
My mother was emotionally and physically abusive to me growing up. I started putting boundaries in place once I had moved far far away and that was not going well. We got into a fight during a phone call and she hung up on me.
I decided actually I was happier not talking, but I was open to it if she was willing to apologize.
It took her 4 years to try out “I’m sorry you’re so angry.”
Luckily in the intervening time I had some therapy and done a lot of self help and advice column reading and recognized that not-pology for what it was.
More recently (only 12 years after that first attempt [holy shit that long]) she finally apologized for “what I did to hurt you”.
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 9d
at least that second one was an ownership taking approach, instead of the whole bullshit "I'm sorry your offended by my rightness" type bullshit. Gonna dare to try to have limited contact with her or just saying fuck it all its not worth the effort.?
alternategait@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 9d
I have maintained very very limited contact with her at my grandmas request. Basically a text for Christmas and her birthday and no acknowledgement of anything she sends me. Luckily we are geographically very distant, so it’s not like either of us is going to just “pop over” for a visit.
I did tell her I appreciated the recent apology. I thought it was a nearly miraculously improvement. It would astound me if she could come up with something concrete to apologize for.
At this point though, we are strangers. I’m not really interested in the time or effort it would require to get reacquainted. I’ll be cordial and polite over text but I’m not taking calls anytime and like I said there’s no way we’re visiting (and I find it super unlikely we’ll find ourselves at the same event)
rimu@piefed.social · 7 pts · 9d
Mine posted a hangman's noose on Facebook with reference to my old place of work. Basically calling for the lynching of everyone inside and all people like us.
There was a lot of other stuff besides but that was when I knew for sure the person I used to know was gone.
MehBlah@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 8d
There isn't enough time in the day to talk about what my parents did and didn't do that they should have. The breaking point was when I discovered that my mother was abusing my autistic son in the same manner she had me. It made her happy to make him cry and she was cruel in how she did it. May she rot.
Wataba@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 8d
Mum was taking emails from Republican shits, even though we lived in Australia.
Eventually, between all the shit going on, I decided to go no contact with her over it. It took so long to deprogram myself from a shitty Mormon upbringing, plus systematic abuse throughout teenage years. I wasn't willing to go through even more crap all over again.
She died six months later.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 6 pts · 8d
enabling parents, causing failure to launch in thier children(for whatever reason) causing rifts in the family and relatives, is a common theme im seeing in multiple posts online. also the parents being financially irresponsible with thier planning of retirement. alot of parents assume/expects thier children to be thier retirement plan. i see alot of contempt/resentment as a result.
Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org · 3 pts · 9d
My father died. That has caused a thorough interruption in our relationship. Regarding your question about a possible recovery, I don't know for sure if we can meet again in heaven.
Knoxer@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 8d
Openly not believing in my academy career, which was a failure for the lack of motivation.
Truffle@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 9d