I hate these “gangs” of kids on ATVs and motorbikes with no licenses. They completely F up traffic, pulling stunts, lunging at cars, and sometimes even wrecking and stopping traffic entirely. They’re like those biker tools that block intersections so the entire gang gets through or street takeovers.
Cars already take over the roads, why shouldn't people try to take them back?
My local bicycle ride that blocks intersections while the riders go through is known and protected by the police -- the legal theory is that if the front of a vehicle entered the intersection on a green light, the "vehicle" can continue through the intersection if the light changes. And a group of people riding bikes as one unit is considered one vehicle.
A bike ride with many people in it is considered a single vehicle if they all ride together with no big gaps through the intersection. There are volunteers called "corkers" who will stand in front of the intersection to clearly signal to motor vehicles that it is not safe to enter the intersection yet. They're trained in deescalation in case someone is really upset that they had to wait an extra minute or two on a Friday night.
Why are you comparing two completely different things? Are you being deliberately dense to start an argument? You are comparing a known sanctioned cycling event to illegal riders, and illegal riders to licensed and insured drivers who legally have a right to the road.
They’re like those biker tools that block intersections so the entire gang gets through or street takeovers.
This sentence describes bike party to a t, which is not really officially sanctioned -- they just give the police a heads up to be nice.
I am not trying to be dense, i am just trying to explain why bicyclists block intersections to let the whole group go through. It is partially to protest cars.
The ones I see aren’t cyclists participating in group events. It’s dirt bikes, atv’s, and now even some e-bikes, unlicensed, unsanctioned, stunt riding and being general assholes on the road. Stop trying to twist reality into somehow legitimizing their BS.
I dont see why the roads should only be for "licensed" cars. Stunt riding is fine as long as it doesn't hurt people. Sometimes they join in the bike party. It seems like you're trying to say the roads should exclude all these vehicles, when I would like more ebikes on the road and less cars. Dirt bikes and atvs can come too.
I am not a big fan of motorized vehicles, I generally bike. But it seems to me that saying "stunt riding is fine as long as it doesn't hurt people" is more or less the same as saying "drunk driving is fine as long as it doesn't hurt people". That is if we are talking about stunt driving on a public road (haven't read the whole discussion). stunt driving is much riskier than calm driving and when you do it in a public road you transfer that risk to other people, including pedestrians and non motorised bikers, who don't want to be involved.
😂 You and I have been to very different critical mass events. The ones near me are "leaderless" and kind of chaotic. Bike party is hyper organized when compared to critical mass.
You must be American. Nowhere else would people have such an ingrained bicycle identity that they'd have to tell everyone, without any fucking provocation.
Watch the video and tell if you think your comment had any relevance.
Is there any type of context available? Spike mat for bikes seems pretty much interchangeable with pulling a gun in terms of likely outcome for the target.
Nah, not at those speeds. It seems police are after these kids for being a public nuisance rather than speeding.
EDIT; Ok, since people seem incapable of understanding the context of my answer: Justified or not, it is not interchangeable with pulling out a gun at those speeds. Y'alls reading comprehension sucks.
When you make posts with two statements, people tend to get lost in the meaning and focus only on one. This is why I never bring up the collection of stool samples I keep in my sock drawer.
I've noticed. I usually try to have the first part of anything I write act as a summary of a statement, as many people seem to only read a few words just enough to get angry enough to push the downvote button. This is how nuance is lost to headline-outrage. And there's no reason to limit yourself to just samples when you can go for a real full-scale collection.
So the sane option is to try to pop their wheels and cause an accident, especially with TONS of kids right behind the lead ones?
They may be at low speeds, but imagine if Officer Porky managed to take down one of the first kids before that big section came through. That kid would have then been a road hazard and likely taken out more kids, hurting both the first and subsequent kids in the accident.
It really is too bad Porky was able to walk away after he got hit. Wish he would have gotten the injuries he was trying to inflict on the kids.
It’s actually really easy to not be a selfish piece of shit. Most people do it all the time. These shitty kids made their choices, and they weren’t good ones.
No, we really aren’t. We are taking about a proportional force response. These people are willing to go speeding around on sidewalks and through red light intersections. They badly hurt people with that behavior. It’s not like the cop pulled a gun.
The only way I can see from your perspective is if you don’t understand how spike strips work. They don’t just pop and shred a fire, they are specifically engineered to slowly let the air out.
Idk what's this obsession with "kids". If they are old enough to drive, they're not a kid anymore. You can't use a deadly machine and call yourself a kid. Use big boy tools, act like a big boy, or else there should be big boy consequences.
…. There wouldn’t have been an accident. They would have rolled to a stop, or more likely, continued to move, but with a whole lot of rolling resistance.
FYI, the spike strips are designed to minimise the chances of a crash after use. They don't burst the tires. Instead the spikes are hollow and designed to break off. This deflates the tire slowly, giving the driver a chance to adapt, but can no longer go fast.
Basically, they are far less likely to cause a crash than you seem to think.
I'm not shooting you with my gun. I'm just pointing it in a random direction. If your body happens to be in the way of my bullets, that's your problem.
The person trained for high-speed driving is driving at a speed that untrained people claim is too fast for that person's ability in those circumstances while driving for work as an emergency worker?
Yes. Teaching the next generation of bikers to be careful, and expecting cops to not spike strip a motorcycle is a skill that your comments seem to indicate that you lack.
If by "leeway", you mean "additional charges for driving without due care and attention", because he wasn't able to stop in a 40kmph zone when something had been in view for 10 seconds, and seemed to be going so fast that he carried on for 50 feet after running down the emergency worker, then you'd be right!
Yeah, he was in the whole fucking lane. Do you know what responsible motorists do when a human is in the road? It's not "try and whip around them on the outside forcing them into another lane of traffic".
Not gonna comment on the choice of method for the intervention but I have a feeling this gang's members can probably be seen saying things like "immigrants fock up our country mate" and then go eat in an Indian restaurant.
Certain reddit subs were basically designed or practically act like they were designed to polarize society. Like CrazyFuckingVideos or unpopularOpinion. You show the worst, most extreme things to rile up emotions, and those emotions then provide an easy recruitment to the alt-right. Basically this is how social media radicalized 90% of people.
there's quite a bit of nasty old heads, I'm finding. On one hand, they were here first but on the other their main forms of engaging with other people is is either this pearl clutching or being unprovokedly nasty in attempt to "toughen people up".
These aren't kids. The quad rider was a 27 year old man who "[tested] positive following a drugs test" and who also appears to have previously been convicted of possession of an offensive weapon in public. He was jailed for 15 months for this.
The judge described the gang:
travelling at speeds of 35mph*, weaving in and out of traffic, ignoring red lights, and travelling on the opposite carriageway at one stage.
This was highly dangerous and posed a significant risk to the public. Many of those who were riding concealed their identity.
* The speed limit in built-up areas here is generally 30mph or 20mph
It's crazy that anyone is defending the riders when video shows them:
riding on the wrong side of the road (in the UK we drive on the left)
Yeah that's what I see. Some asshole running into the road trying to hurt bikers and getting hit because he runs in front of one, to then start attacking one of the people he was trying to hurt. ACAB.
Sure acab, but this is not one of those situations. The bike riders here are assholes the lot of them. The quad bike had no reason to ride straight into a dude wearing a high vis.
A safer thing to do is block the road with cars and kettle from behind. Then even if people flee on foot you can impound the bikes or whatever to a vastly better effect in terms of reducing public nuisance.
The officer here wasn't improving safety, he was making a larger hazard, putting himself in danger, and ended up paying for it.
They want to use their toys and they want to cause harm.
Yes and the cop could've killed these kids by popping their tires while they're riding recklessly. Rather than do actual police work that takes time and effort to remove these bikes from the streets, the cops decided to do the easiest and most dangerous thing for everyone involved. This was absolutely the worst possible way they could go about to stop people who ride like this.
Depending on the belt used the tires don't actually just "pop" like in the movies. They get holds such causes them to deflate and become undeliverable. Ever got a punctured tire before? It's not an instant process by any means.
There are belts can actually make larger holes as the spike comes out, but this doesn't seem to be the case here.
Rolling around 2 ton cars with your dirtbike is a good way to kill only yourself. Even in this video, the guy on the heaviest one, a quad, plowed straight into the cop and only got tackled off it.
The cop knows this too. He jumped in front of him to tackle him.
I agree that you might get scared by people acting too rowdy, and that you might get your paint job scratched, but your chances of dying are way higher with a moving truck nearby than a few dirt bikes.
What that cop was trying to do, would have caused a serious accident and injuries if he had succeeded. Cops are always the villains, harassing teenagers and brutalizing people protesting against genocide, while protecting rich pedophiles.
Delusional much? The traffic stop was clearly visible to the group and the attempt to block the road as well - if you don't slow down upon seeing an obstacle, that's 100% on you.
No, it isn't. Even if you fall off due to the flat tyre, and that's not a given, if you're wearing a helmet the chances of serious injury are very low.
Did you miss the part where you are supposed to slow down when you see an obstacle or even an unclear traffic situation up ahead? People who don't do that do not belong on the road.
They didn't seem to be driving very recklessly to me. Just in a big group. That cop could have caused a serious accident to many of them, and you would have cheered because "these damn kids".
I mean UK police carry no firearm and are held to much higher standards. And the driver of the atv literally ran someone over and didn't stop.
What kind of police DO you want to have?
You can argue for revolution and civil war in the UK because of fascist politics from both labor and tories, but then you're talking about armed soldiers not police.
Motorcycles. And you either want to live in a civilized society or not. So on the one hand UK police are pretty great as far as police go, and absolutely have the right to stop motorized traffic for being "annoying" in a residential street. You absolutely do want to police shit like this. These are just bourgeois kids doing stupid dangerous stuff.
On the other hand there is the political stuff and increasing illegitimacy of the UK government. But I see nothing political here.
Seriously, what am I supposed to be upset about here? Traffic stops?
While I don't like these bike gangs, what the police was doing is reckless. I would argue the guy on the quad just feared for his life, because the spikes could have caused an accident. So he did the safe thing and went around them, and the cop just happened to be jaywalking there.
I know, and I hate jaywalking too. I'm just applying to them what they apply to us. It's only fair. If I was doing that same thing (save the spikes) and got run over, I'd still be (partially) blamed for it.
I thought jaywalking existed in UK. Now I know. Lucky 10000, ig.
Because Britain is saner, there’s no such thing as “jaywalking” and pedestrians always have right of way, unless they are specifically banned by the type of road.
I know, and I hate jaywalking too. I'm just applying to them what they apply to us. It's only fair. If I was doing that same thing (save the spikes) and got run over, I'd still be (partially) blamed for it.
I thought jaywalking existed in UK. Now I know. Lucky 10000, ig.
This is one of the few times I actually feel sorry for the cops.
The community simultaneously wants the crowds of dipshits on trail bikes stopped but also pretty much agrees that a teenager riding around on a trail bike who isnt setting out to hurt anyone doesnt deserve to be seriously injured to stop them.
Failure to stop for pedestrian, failure to stop for police, speeding, reckless driving, and probably also driving an unroadworthy vehicle, driving without insurance, driving without a licence and you can’t believe this kid hadn’t been huffing anything that day.
Oh no, they are falling over at brisk walking speeds because they fumbled to just put their foot down when the vehicle slowed to a halt. My pearls, where are they?
You feel attacked by a single question that is neutral in tone and asks you to clarify the argument you are making?
So would this group driving be considered reckless and dangerous if it knocked over a pedestrian in clear view on a street with a walkway potentially lethally?
You legit think the cop thought “Hey, let me kill these kids!”
Did you even go outside as a kid? I can’t tell you how many times I’ve fallen off a bike at those slow speeds. Not even close to a death sentence. If falling at those speeds scares you, you are either 80 years old, or 300 pounds.
Calling me fascist is hilarious 😂
Are you gunna pose an actual argument? Or are you gunna act like an insecure internet child slinging insults?
You legit think the cop thought “Hey, let me kill these kids!”
Yes, I absolutely do think that. Exhibit A are all the people in this thread that think attempted murder is an acceptable penalty for a child riding recklessly on a bicycle. Seeing as cops tend to have far less empathy than the human average, I would expect them to be less worried about civilian safety than the people in this thread. The folks in this thread are advocating summary execution for traffic violations, so I see no reason a cop wouldn't do the same.
People fall off motorbikes all the time, and usually get a few bruises, if that. If riding a motorbike was anywhere near as dangerous as you think, it would be considered an extreme sport.
Ususally there are not 30+ other Bikes in very close Proximity when you fall of. The Argument isnt, that a bike with a flat tire will Explode in Flames, it is, that in this Situation the first bike would get significantly slowed down by a flat tire, the second bike would crash into the first and a few other bikes would then run over the fallen down. Perfectly Predictably.
Yes, I think the cop went full Judge Dredd and didn’t consider who he would injure or how bad.
I’ve posted an argument and you’ve called me a three hundred pound 80-year-old (so what if I am?).
Your carbrain is completely obvious. And if you think the officer was justified in possibly killing people (for what perceived offense?), guess what? Fascist, too.
I wrecked my motorcycle in a curve at 60 mph and got a broken wrist. These people are not going to die at 25 mph when their tires blow. the cop was not trying to murder anybody stop being sensationalist
Fucking hero on the ATV, might have saved a life. If one of those motorcycles' tires got popped, the rider might die or suffer life-changing injuries. And it's even wilder that this cop-brained monster thinks that's an acceptable outcome for any minor traffic violation.
If that kid or dog is trying to kill people, then maybe, depending on the circumstances. Obviously if it was an actual kid, you would have to approach the situation with the care it deserves...but also, for example, I would have literally zero qualms about running over a minor committing a school shooting if that was the only option to stop the violence.
Like if it was a person in a different uniform using a baseball bat instead of a car you wouldn't bat a fucking eye at someone using a weapon to defend innocent people.
It seems like we mostly agree, but I think you are grossly neglecting the danger that these dirt bike and ATV gangs pose. They drive extremely fast in places where that is not OK, including busy sidewalks, and they hurt innocent people all the time. They also tend to leave a trail of destruction behind them as well.
I think you are grossly neglecting the danger that these dirt bike and ATV gangs pose.
Right but there is a difference between people riding irresponsibly but without intentionally trying to destroy people, versus this cop who is very deliberately trying to take out as many bikers as possible. And especially for young people whose brains are still developing, in particular the parts of the brain responding for judging risks.
Like of course some of them are riding dangerously, and the dangerous driving should be socially discouraged...but the cops are a particularly blunt, carceral, and ineffective instrument for discouraging any reckless behavior, in particular the bastard in this video. And even within existing carceral systems, spike strips are blunt tools. For example, pigs could have filmed them and picked them up when it was safe to do so, or used the 69 bajillion security cameras that has to figure out who was driving and yell at them.
That's a bad faith interpretation. How in the world do you see a reply saying, "summary execution is not an acceptable penalty for traffic violations," and warp that into, "well, I guess you just don't want any traffic enforcement at all."
Calling this traffic enforcement is also a bad faith interpretation. Unless you consider people riding motorcycles at high speeds on busy sidewalks to be a traffic issue? That’s what these goons do, and they are constantly injuring innocent people.
What the fuck else would you call it? All infractions involving the use of a vehicle are traffic infractions. Unless I deliberately murder you by tracking you down and deliberately running you over with my car, it's just a traffic infraction. Driving on the sidewalk is a moving violation.
They're doing 50 kmh at best, even without a helmet your chances of serious injury are pretty low. People fall off motorbikes all the time at far greater speeds.
This is an incorrect, dangerous, and irresponsible thing to say. You can very easily die at 5km/h on a motorcycle. Your body is not as tough as you think it is.
Yes it's possible with unfortunate circumstances. "Very easily die at 5 km/h" is demonstrably untrue, as though a significant amount of people that start up a bike die horribly. Yes bikes/mopeds/motorcycles are more dangerous than cars but it's dumb to misrepresent reality like this.
The second half of your statement demonstrates how the bikers are acting unsafely in the first place.
My comment isn't even really about motorcycles being extra dangerous. I ride every day that weather allows and have for over 30 years.
It is more about how remarkably fragile some of our bodies' weak points are. Perhaps I could have worded it better. But to me 'easily die' just means unexpected stuff can happen when putting a bike down at all. Not that there is necessarily a high likelihood of it happening at that speed, just that it is easy.
Surely there is no nuance or inbetween option available. Surely they should just get the death penalty for such horrid theft and disrespect of the sanctity of physical posessions.
"falling aoff the motorcycle that is moving faster than people can sprint, even without a helmet, isn't that dangerous"
As someone who sells and fixes bicycles this is THE STUPIDEST FUCKING THING I'VE READ THIS WEEK. And I heard someone recently say "at least dolly Parton knew to stay out of politics"
ANY fall off a bike, motorized or not, can be fatal. If you're moving, those chances go up. If you're moving a heavy or large bike, it's even greater. It's why I refuse to sell bikes to anyone who says they don't wear helmets.
People have fallen from higher than the tallest building and survived. Doesn't mean it's not insanely dangerous.
Because they are wearing highly advanced protective gear, are trained how to take a fall, are in peak physical condition, and are racing in an environment specially designed to protect them.
Falling off a bike at 50 kph means you're hitting the ground with the same speed as a 10 meter fall. Please go jump off a three story building and then come back to report how harmless it is.
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RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world · 92 pts · 1d
I hate these “gangs” of kids on ATVs and motorbikes with no licenses. They completely F up traffic, pulling stunts, lunging at cars, and sometimes even wrecking and stopping traffic entirely. They’re like those biker tools that block intersections so the entire gang gets through or street takeovers.
lol_idk@piefed.social · -13 pts · 1d
They are traffic too
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 23h
“Traffic” takes over multiple lanes while stunting and deliberately antagonizing normal drivers? Sure, bud.
lol_idk@piefed.social · -8 pts · 16h
Sounds like traffic to me
sukhmel@programming.dev · 1 pts · 1h
The place you are in seems to be pretty harsh, sorry
mx_smith@lemmy.world · -24 pts · 1d
Yeah they are a real inconvenience for about 30 secs.
recked_wralph@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 1d
You realize the inconvenience and endanger everyone they pass for the duration of their ride right? Not just your little blip…
Cypher@aussie.zone · 3 pts · 15h
Usually takes longer than that to wash them off the bullbar
corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 1d
Vigilante traffic cops are fun
sem@piefed.blahaj.zone · -33 pts · 23h
Cars already take over the roads, why shouldn't people try to take them back?
My local bicycle ride that blocks intersections while the riders go through is known and protected by the police -- the legal theory is that if the front of a vehicle entered the intersection on a green light, the "vehicle" can continue through the intersection if the light changes. And a group of people riding bikes as one unit is considered one vehicle.
A bike ride with many people in it is considered a single vehicle if they all ride together with no big gaps through the intersection. There are volunteers called "corkers" who will stand in front of the intersection to clearly signal to motor vehicles that it is not safe to enter the intersection yet. They're trained in deescalation in case someone is really upset that they had to wait an extra minute or two on a Friday night.
Here's an article if anyone is interested.
https://grist.org/cities/bike-party-a-fresh-new-way-to-take-back-the-streets/
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world · 27 pts · 22h
Why are you comparing two completely different things? Are you being deliberately dense to start an argument? You are comparing a known sanctioned cycling event to illegal riders, and illegal riders to licensed and insured drivers who legally have a right to the road.
Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works · -7 pts · 21h
It's Blahaj, they're not known for their intelligence.
sem@piefed.blahaj.zone · -10 pts · 22h
This sentence describes bike party to a t, which is not really officially sanctioned -- they just give the police a heads up to be nice.
I am not trying to be dense, i am just trying to explain why bicyclists block intersections to let the whole group go through. It is partially to protest cars.
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 22h
The ones I see aren’t cyclists participating in group events. It’s dirt bikes, atv’s, and now even some e-bikes, unlicensed, unsanctioned, stunt riding and being general assholes on the road. Stop trying to twist reality into somehow legitimizing their BS.
sem@piefed.blahaj.zone · -11 pts · 22h
I dont see why the roads should only be for "licensed" cars. Stunt riding is fine as long as it doesn't hurt people. Sometimes they join in the bike party. It seems like you're trying to say the roads should exclude all these vehicles, when I would like more ebikes on the road and less cars. Dirt bikes and atvs can come too.
Avicenna@programming.dev · 8 pts · 20h
I am not a big fan of motorized vehicles, I generally bike. But it seems to me that saying "stunt riding is fine as long as it doesn't hurt people" is more or less the same as saying "drunk driving is fine as long as it doesn't hurt people". That is if we are talking about stunt driving on a public road (haven't read the whole discussion). stunt driving is much riskier than calm driving and when you do it in a public road you transfer that risk to other people, including pedestrians and non motorised bikers, who don't want to be involved.
sem@piefed.blahaj.zone · -2 pts · 6h
I really don't think stunt riding hurts anyone, especially compared to drunk driving. I wish that police would spend their time on real problems.
lechekaflan@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 18h
Cyclists and bikers are NOT the same.
A critical mass bicycle ride is tightly organized and usually have a set speed, and anyone involved try not to harass other drivers or pedestrians.
Jackass bikers on motorcycles and ATVs in a rowdy group do fucking annoy everyone.
sem@piefed.blahaj.zone · -2 pts · 6h
😂 You and I have been to very different critical mass events. The ones near me are "leaderless" and kind of chaotic. Bike party is hyper organized when compared to critical mass.
PapaStevesy@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 14h
Did you watch the video? That's not what's happening. They literally ran a guy over, pretty sure that's the opposite of de-escalation.
sem@piefed.blahaj.zone · -2 pts · 6h
I'm responding to the comment not the video.
PapaStevesy@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 4h
The comment is about the video.
BigDanishGuy@sh.itjust.works · 12 pts · 10h
You must be American. Nowhere else would people have such an ingrained bicycle identity that they'd have to tell everyone, without any fucking provocation.
Watch the video and tell if you think your comment had any relevance.
dracc@discuss.tchncs.de · 64 pts · 1d
Is there any type of context available? Spike mat for bikes seems pretty much interchangeable with pulling a gun in terms of likely outcome for the target.
neidu3@sh.itjust.works · 38 pts · 1d
Nah, not at those speeds. It seems police are after these kids for being a public nuisance rather than speeding.
EDIT; Ok, since people seem incapable of understanding the context of my answer: Justified or not, it is not interchangeable with pulling out a gun at those speeds. Y'alls reading comprehension sucks.
betterdeadthanreddit@lemmy.world · 39 pts · 1d
Kids out there causing trouble without even having the decency to stimulate the local economy.
neidu3@sh.itjust.works · 12 pts · 1d
Heh, not sure what my autocorrect was up to there
betterdeadthanreddit@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 1d
I paid it off to give me the set-up.
Ludicrous0251@piefed.zip · 17 pts · 1d
When you make posts with two statements, people tend to get lost in the meaning and focus only on one. This is why I never bring up the collection of stool samples I keep in my sock drawer.
neidu3@sh.itjust.works · 10 pts · 1d
I've noticed. I usually try to have the first part of anything I write act as a summary of a statement, as many people seem to only read a few words just enough to get angry enough to push the downvote button. This is how nuance is lost to headline-outrage. And there's no reason to limit yourself to just samples when you can go for a real full-scale collection.
sad_detective_man@sopuli.xyz · 4 pts · 1d
Somehow given what I know of cops in that country I doubt that. Open to any evidence otherwise though
chunk6235@piefed.social · 4 pts · 1d
So the sane option is to try to pop their wheels and cause an accident, especially with TONS of kids right behind the lead ones?
They may be at low speeds, but imagine if Officer Porky managed to take down one of the first kids before that big section came through. That kid would have then been a road hazard and likely taken out more kids, hurting both the first and subsequent kids in the accident.
It really is too bad Porky was able to walk away after he got hit. Wish he would have gotten the injuries he was trying to inflict on the kids.
ayyy@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 23h
It’s actually really easy to not be a selfish piece of shit. Most people do it all the time. These shitty kids made their choices, and they weren’t good ones.
WoodScientist@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 21h
So the punishment for violating road rules is execution by cop? You're talking about attempted murder here.
ayyy@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 20h
No, we really aren’t. We are taking about a proportional force response. These people are willing to go speeding around on sidewalks and through red light intersections. They badly hurt people with that behavior. It’s not like the cop pulled a gun.
The only way I can see from your perspective is if you don’t understand how spike strips work. They don’t just pop and shred a fire, they are specifically engineered to slowly let the air out.
Cypher@aussie.zone · 2 pts · 15h
I’m a motorcyclist and you don’t have a clue.
Punctured tyres aren’t going to kill anyone at that speed.
Bixcut@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 15h
Apparently motorcycles and ATVs will explode and take out a city block if they get a flat tire. Think of the children!
Dultas@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 5h
Knobby ATV tires can be decently thick. I wonder if spike strips meant for cars would even work properly on them.
calcopiritus@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 15m
Idk what's this obsession with "kids". If they are old enough to drive, they're not a kid anymore. You can't use a deadly machine and call yourself a kid. Use big boy tools, act like a big boy, or else there should be big boy consequences.
cynar@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 12h
neidu3@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 1d
See edit
tyler@programming.dev · 0 pts · 1d
…. There wouldn’t have been an accident. They would have rolled to a stop, or more likely, continued to move, but with a whole lot of rolling resistance.
bad1080@piefed.social · 2 pts · 1d
but spike traps seem reasonable for a public nuisance?
neidu3@sh.itjust.works · -1 pts · 1d
See edit
cynar@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 12h
FYI, the spike strips are designed to minimise the chances of a crash after use. They don't burst the tires. Instead the spikes are hollow and designed to break off. This deflates the tire slowly, giving the driver a chance to adapt, but can no longer go fast.
Basically, they are far less likely to cause a crash than you seem to think.
Cytobit@piefed.social · 8 pts · 1d
The cops aren't choosing what speed they illegally ride at.
WoodScientist@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 21h
I'm not shooting you with my gun. I'm just pointing it in a random direction. If your body happens to be in the way of my bullets, that's your problem.
corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca · -1 pts · 1d
The person trained for high-speed driving is driving at a speed that untrained people claim is too fast for that person's ability in those circumstances while driving for work as an emergency worker?
Dunning-kruger is right.
explodicle@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 1d
"They" being the motorcyclists, not the cops.
ohulancutash@feddit.uk · 2 pts · 16h
You’re assuming they’re trained for high-speed driving
Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works · -12 pts · 1d
You should be able to control a bike in a straight line with a flat tyre, especially at the speed this lot are going.
And falling off isn't as dangerous as you think.
Bo7a@piefed.ca · 35 pts · 1d
Stop talking about shit you don't understand with confidence. Your statements are going to get someone who believes them hurt.
To anyone reading: Take it from anyone who actually rides over this idiocy. A flat motorcycle tire at any speed is dangerous and possibly deadly.
Cypher@aussie.zone · 5 pts · 15h
I ride and you’re wrong.
I’ve had a puncture at 130km/h and pulled over no problem.
Bo7a@piefed.ca · 0 pts · 8h
And a lady fell thousands of feet with no parachute and lived. Will you advise others to make an attempt sans-chute?
Cypher@aussie.zone · 2 pts · 7h
Sounds like riding isn't for you if a puncture, which happens to thousands of motorcyclists without any issue beyond a flat tyre, scares you so much.
Bo7a@piefed.ca · 1 pts · 2h
I didn't say flats scared me. I said it was irresponsible to make claims about a fall at 50 km an hour. Nonetheless 5 km an hour.
Cypher@aussie.zone · 1 pts · 2h
You claimed the spike strip presented a serious risk to their lives and you’re full of shit.
You have nothing to back up your claim that it was unreasonable to attempt to stop these morons before they wind up under a truck.
I can only hope they actually attend their fellow morons funeral when it inevitably happens.
Bixcut@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 15h
I can't believe you have 37 upvotes
Bo7a@piefed.ca · 3 pts · 8h
I can't believe its not butter.
Mpatch@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 5h
Pussy
Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 21h
Skill issue.
Bo7a@piefed.ca · 1 pts · 8h
Yes. Teaching the next generation of bikers to be careful, and expecting cops to not spike strip a motorcycle is a skill that your comments seem to indicate that you lack.
Romkslrqusz@lemmy.zip · 14 pts · 1d
Not likely to control a bike after it hits another that was laying in the street
Pretty dangerous to have one of your mates roll over you with their bike
The potential for bad outcomes through a domino effect here is pretty big
We don’t have the full story here, but going from what seems like “public nuisance” to “injury or death” seems like an unreasonable escalation to me.
Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 21h
You should also be able to stop if there's an obstacle in front of you, that's on the rider.
heh@lemmy.world · 35 pts · 1d
Well that guy on the ATVs life is entirely over.
Crazy how fast you can end any chance at a well-off future.
Sharkticon@lemmy.zip · -11 pts · 1d
Well the cop did literally jump in front of him. So if the lawyer is any good at all I imagine he can probably get a little leeway.
eyesaremosaics@lemmy.zip · 29 pts · 1d
The cop was visible on the road for several seconds before the collision, he did not jump in front
corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca · 20 pts · 1d
If by "leeway", you mean "additional charges for driving without due care and attention", because he wasn't able to stop in a 40kmph zone when something had been in view for 10 seconds, and seemed to be going so fast that he carried on for 50 feet after running down the emergency worker, then you'd be right!
Lets all hope he gets all the leeway he can.
phx@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 1d
But "he's a kid man, a kid"
Like holy crap I wish somebody would smack the guy recording upside the head
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 21h
the cop was attempting to get back from the motorcycles raging through. he was also wearing high-vis PPE.
furthermore, the ATV rider attempted to continue to flee until the officer pulled them off the vehicle.
ACAB but that doesn't mean lawlessness is better.
x00z@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 3h
He ran onto a street with high traffic, he didn't have to do that and put himself at risk.
Continuing to flee is also not provable because there's a FUCKING COP ON YOUR STEERING WHEEL.
RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 15m
.................he did have to do that. Did you not see he was throwing the spikes down?
LodeMike@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 22h
He was in that lane for like 30s. You might get away with that argument with a two wheeler.
ohulancutash@feddit.uk · 3 pts · 16h
Nope. The highway code states pedestrians always have right of way and other road users must be prepared to stop for them.
LodeMike@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 14h
That's not always reality. I said "might"
ohulancutash@feddit.uk · 4 pts · 14h
I doubt a magistrate would bother to entertain the conversation.
Sharkticon@lemmy.zip · -3 pts · 21h
You might want to look again. At about second 22 of the video you'll notice he literally jumps to the right to put himself in front of the ATV.
Phil_in_here@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 21h
Yeah, he was in the whole fucking lane. Do you know what responsible motorists do when a human is in the road? It's not "try and whip around them on the outside forcing them into another lane of traffic".
Sharkticon@lemmy.zip · -3 pts · 20h
Here you seem to need this: https://www.vsp.com/eye-doctor
Avicenna@programming.dev · 24 pts · 20h
Not gonna comment on the choice of method for the intervention but I have a feeling this gang's members can probably be seen saying things like "immigrants fock up our country mate" and then go eat in an Indian restaurant.
noxypaws@pawb.social · 2 pts · 11h
which gang, the cops? definitely
horn_e4_beaver@discuss.tchncs.de · 24 pts · 1d
This thread is a cesspit. I didn't know lemmy attracted these types.
Sv443@sh.itjust.works · 14 pts · 20h
Came here as a Reddit refugee, gonna leave as a hater of all forms of social media, federated or not
Agent641@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 20h
TFW you realize the centralization was not the problem.
ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 20h
It's audience size.
BigDanishGuy@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 10h
And a question of who gets booted from reddit and who chose to leave early. I think that we're seeing the first group hitting lemmy now.
AlteredEgo@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 8h
Certain reddit subs were basically designed or practically act like they were designed to polarize society. Like CrazyFuckingVideos or unpopularOpinion. You show the worst, most extreme things to rile up emotions, and those emotions then provide an easy recruitment to the alt-right. Basically this is how social media radicalized 90% of people.
sad_detective_man@sopuli.xyz · 5 pts · 23h
there's quite a bit of nasty old heads, I'm finding. On one hand, they were here first but on the other their main forms of engaging with other people is is either this pearl clutching or being unprovokedly nasty in attempt to "toughen people up".
Fortatech@gregtech.eu · 2 pts · 22h
It is so bizzare... Almost every comment has more down- than upvotes.
amio@lemmy.world · 24 pts · 1d
"yeh daft coont" just has a nice ring to it
cjnp@sh.itjust.works · 21 pts · 7h
These aren't kids. The quad rider was a 27 year old man who "[tested] positive following a drugs test" and who also appears to have previously been convicted of possession of an offensive weapon in public. He was jailed for 15 months for this.
The judge described the gang:
* The speed limit in built-up areas here is generally 30mph or 20mph
It's crazy that anyone is defending the riders when video shows them:
Sources
the_flying_pig@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 4h
heh, "carriageway"
olafurp@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 6h
Sure, these guys were pricks but the police looked likely to kill someone over there.
x00z@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 3h
Yeah that's what I see. Some asshole running into the road trying to hurt bikers and getting hit because he runs in front of one, to then start attacking one of the people he was trying to hurt. ACAB.
HereIAm@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 35m
Sure acab, but this is not one of those situations. The bike riders here are assholes the lot of them. The quad bike had no reason to ride straight into a dude wearing a high vis.
electric_nan@lemmy.ml · 18 pts · 1d
ACAB
Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works · 56 pts · 1d
Nah, fuck the people who ride like this, they could kill someone.
untorquer@quokk.au · 34 pts · 1d
The kids are riding willingly past a cop car.
A safer thing to do is block the road with cars and kettle from behind. Then even if people flee on foot you can impound the bikes or whatever to a vastly better effect in terms of reducing public nuisance.
The officer here wasn't improving safety, he was making a larger hazard, putting himself in danger, and ended up paying for it.
They want to use their toys and they want to cause harm.
GenderNeutralBro@lemmy.sdf.org · 9 pts · 1d
As a centrist[^1], I say fuck both sides.
[^1]: No not really
sharkteethsandwich@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 9 pts · 1d
Yes and the cop could've killed these kids by popping their tires while they're riding recklessly. Rather than do actual police work that takes time and effort to remove these bikes from the streets, the cops decided to do the easiest and most dangerous thing for everyone involved. This was absolutely the worst possible way they could go about to stop people who ride like this.
Noodle07@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 1d
They didnt shoot the kids so there's still a small margin for "absolute worst"
phx@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 23h
Depending on the belt used the tires don't actually just "pop" like in the movies. They get holds such causes them to deflate and become undeliverable. Ever got a punctured tire before? It's not an instant process by any means.
There are belts can actually make larger holes as the spike comes out, but this doesn't seem to be the case here.
Nouvellalia@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1d
Themselves.
Rolling around 2 ton cars with your dirtbike is a good way to kill only yourself. Even in this video, the guy on the heaviest one, a quad, plowed straight into the cop and only got tackled off it.
The cop knows this too. He jumped in front of him to tackle him.
I agree that you might get scared by people acting too rowdy, and that you might get your paint job scratched, but your chances of dying are way higher with a moving truck nearby than a few dirt bikes.
db_null@lemmy.dbzer0.com · -1 pts · 1d
Like someone jumping in front of moving vehicles
Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 21h
Like a child, for example?
eurodyne@piefed.world · -8 pts · 1d
Any dumb Cunt stupid enough to stand in the middle of the road…
Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 21h
Those are called pedestrians.
And they're also on the footpath.
raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 1d
I dislike cops but in this scenario they are not the villains.
electric_nan@lemmy.ml · -5 pts · 1d
What that cop was trying to do, would have caused a serious accident and injuries if he had succeeded. Cops are always the villains, harassing teenagers and brutalizing people protesting against genocide, while protecting rich pedophiles.
raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 1d
What about the serious accident and injuries that the idiots could have caused by hitting children or someone's pet crossing the road?
Your logic is "I was driving recklessly downtown and your putting an obstacle in my way is endangering me".
No, it wasn't the policeman endangering the biker group here, it was the people driving recklessly.
x00z@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 3h
How does getting one or a few of them off the road help? If anything, police presence makes them drive even more dangerous.
But hey, that's logic some people can't comprehend. You're supposed to lick the boots, and if you don't do that you are the problem.
WoodScientist@lemmy.world · -3 pts · 21h
We don't execute people for traffic violations!
raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 20h
Delusional much? The traffic stop was clearly visible to the group and the attempt to block the road as well - if you don't slow down upon seeing an obstacle, that's 100% on you.
WoodScientist@lemmy.world · -5 pts · 16h
Visible or not, they're still using a spike strip against a two wheel vehicle. That's still attempted murder.
Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 16h
No, it isn't. Even if you fall off due to the flat tyre, and that's not a given, if you're wearing a helmet the chances of serious injury are very low.
That's a frankly absurd statement to make.
raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 12h
Did you miss the part where you are supposed to slow down when you see an obstacle or even an unclear traffic situation up ahead? People who don't do that do not belong on the road.
electric_nan@lemmy.ml · -4 pts · 23h
They didn't seem to be driving very recklessly to me. Just in a big group. That cop could have caused a serious accident to many of them, and you would have cheered because "these damn kids".
raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 20h
They didn't slow down for the traffic stop or when they saw a police-person on the road. That's criminally reckless.
electric_nan@lemmy.ml · -4 pts · 19h
Didn't slow down for the guy trying to kill them?
ohulancutash@feddit.uk · 13 pts · 16h
Stopped one
DanceMomsSavedMe@lemmy.zip · 10 pts · 19h
Yeah fuck these guys for sure but dude you didn't have to fucking prance out in front of them either that was a stupid way to try and stop it.
lechekaflan@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 18h
Annoying bikers.
Looks like it's a big problem on either side of the Atlantic.
AlteredEgo@lemmy.ml · 9 pts · 8h
I mean UK police carry no firearm and are held to much higher standards. And the driver of the atv literally ran someone over and didn't stop.
What kind of police DO you want to have?
You can argue for revolution and civil war in the UK because of fascist politics from both labor and tories, but then you're talking about armed soldiers not police.
Noel_Skum@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 5h
“Labor” sic That’s not the British spelling - are you an outsider looking in, sharing your perspective?
systemglitch@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 4h
Lol, fucking Americans. Now, as we spell labour correctly, would you like to hear the opinion of a Canadian instead?
Noel_Skum@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 3h
Yeah, please.
I forgot Canada had a Labour Party too. I know the Aussies yankified their party’s spelling, which is a shame; from my point of view.
Dozzi92@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 7h
They're talking about the annoying kids on bikes. Unless you're doing a Lemmy switcheroo and I missed it.
AlteredEgo@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 7h
Motorcycles. And you either want to live in a civilized society or not. So on the one hand UK police are pretty great as far as police go, and absolutely have the right to stop motorized traffic for being "annoying" in a residential street. You absolutely do want to police shit like this. These are just bourgeois kids doing stupid dangerous stuff.
On the other hand there is the political stuff and increasing illegitimacy of the UK government. But I see nothing political here.
Seriously, what am I supposed to be upset about here? Traffic stops?
x00z@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 3h
That doesn't justify trying to get them to crash and hurt themselves.
Cytobit@piefed.social · 5 pts · 1d
Hell yeah, fuck them kids!
LovableSidekick@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 21h
Yutes on bikes?
black0ut@pawb.social · 0 pts · 21h
While I don't like these bike gangs, what the police was doing is reckless. I would argue the guy on the quad just feared for his life, because the spikes could have caused an accident. So he did the safe thing and went around them, and the cop just happened to be jaywalking there.
robear@lemmy.zip · 10 pts · 19h
"Jaywalking" is a made up American crime.
A pedestrian existing on a street doesn't justify a driver running them over.
The guy on the quad could have stopped if he feared an accident.
black0ut@pawb.social · 1 pts · 14h
I know, and I hate jaywalking too. I'm just applying to them what they apply to us. It's only fair. If I was doing that same thing (save the spikes) and got run over, I'd still be (partially) blamed for it.
I thought jaywalking existed in UK. Now I know. Lucky 10000, ig.
AWistfulNihilist@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 3h
Legit means walking like a homeless person, it's fucking wild.
ohulancutash@feddit.uk · 9 pts · 16h
Because Britain is saner, there’s no such thing as “jaywalking” and pedestrians always have right of way, unless they are specifically banned by the type of road.
x00z@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 3h
You don't have right of way if you just run on the street. That's called attempted suicide.
ohulancutash@feddit.uk · 1 pts · 53m
Even then.
black0ut@pawb.social · 0 pts · 14h
I know, and I hate jaywalking too. I'm just applying to them what they apply to us. It's only fair. If I was doing that same thing (save the spikes) and got run over, I'd still be (partially) blamed for it.
I thought jaywalking existed in UK. Now I know. Lucky 10000, ig.
Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works · -2 pts · 21h
Oh fuck off. The safest thing to do is to stop and take your punishment.
They probably added a year to their sentence with that stunt, and they deserve it.
Delphia@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 16h
This is one of the few times I actually feel sorry for the cops.
The community simultaneously wants the crowds of dipshits on trail bikes stopped but also pretty much agrees that a teenager riding around on a trail bike who isnt setting out to hurt anyone doesnt deserve to be seriously injured to stop them.
Their hands are so thoroughly tied its insane.
Chiarottide@lemmy.world · -4 pts · 16h
Punishment for what? Using the road?
ohulancutash@feddit.uk · 5 pts · 16h
Failure to stop for pedestrian, failure to stop for police, speeding, reckless driving, and probably also driving an unroadworthy vehicle, driving without insurance, driving without a licence and you can’t believe this kid hadn’t been huffing anything that day.
Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 16h
Riding like an absolute scrote.
And I doubt they owned that quad either.
horn_e4_beaver@discuss.tchncs.de · 1 pts · 5h
What an offence
perviouslyiner@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 7h
For taking an unlicensed uninsured motor vehicle on the road without numberplates or MOT certificate.
solidheron@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 1d
They got one. Funny to watch the police act like they're the worst people to exist
Sims@lemmy.ml · -1 pts · 1d
Violent/st*pid ACAB's as always.. Incredible to think that they are still seen and defended as 'good guy's by the ignorant crowd..
Onyxonblack@piefed.social · -5 pts · 1d
chewypoops@lemmy.world · -6 pts · 1d
ACAB, but the cop didn't do anything wrong in this video if you understand the context.
resipsaloquitur@lemmy.cafe · -4 pts · 1d
Aside from trying to kill motorcyclists?
What possible context would make this just fine and dandy?
whaleross@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1d
Oh no, they are falling over at brisk walking speeds because they fumbled to just put their foot down when the vehicle slowed to a halt. My pearls, where are they?
resipsaloquitur@lemmy.cafe · 5 pts · 1d
Spoken like someone who hasn’t a tire blowout on a motorcycle. Or an idiot.
So the officer similarly wasn’t hurt, since it was just walking speeds?
Any trip over the handlebars is potentially lethal. You’re a callous moron.
Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 15h
Massive skill issue if a flat tyre sends you over the bars. That's an extremely unlikely thing to happen.
whaleross@lemmy.world · -3 pts · 23h
Do you think the office was badly, potentially lethally, hurt?
resipsaloquitur@lemmy.cafe · 3 pts · 23h
Always be attacking, eh? Don’t answer my question but expect me to answer yours?
Yes, being knocked over like that is potentially lethal.
As would be abruptly stopping those on the bikes.
Here’s a man being knocked over at 0 mph and receiving a concussion at best: https://youtu.be/-HFsRn-oKd4
Which was the point I made. That you haven’t countered.
And, again, what offense did each and every single biker do to merit a cop recklessly endangering their life?
whaleross@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 13h
You feel attacked by a single question that is neutral in tone and asks you to clarify the argument you are making?
So would this group driving be considered reckless and dangerous if it knocked over a pedestrian in clear view on a street with a walkway potentially lethally?
dogdeanafternoon@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 1d
Kill!? Haha Holy shit the things people say on here sometimes.
Completely devoid of reality.
resipsaloquitur@lemmy.cafe · -5 pts · 1d
Like the spike strip was going to gently slow the bike(s) down and maneuver them out of each others’ way?
Completely devoid of reality, indeed.
How do those fascist boots taste, you carbrained idiot?
dogdeanafternoon@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 23h
You legit think the cop thought “Hey, let me kill these kids!”
Did you even go outside as a kid? I can’t tell you how many times I’ve fallen off a bike at those slow speeds. Not even close to a death sentence. If falling at those speeds scares you, you are either 80 years old, or 300 pounds.
Calling me fascist is hilarious 😂
Are you gunna pose an actual argument? Or are you gunna act like an insecure internet child slinging insults?
Carbrained? Wow you can’t stay on topic can you.
WoodScientist@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 21h
Yes, I absolutely do think that. Exhibit A are all the people in this thread that think attempted murder is an acceptable penalty for a child riding recklessly on a bicycle. Seeing as cops tend to have far less empathy than the human average, I would expect them to be less worried about civilian safety than the people in this thread. The folks in this thread are advocating summary execution for traffic violations, so I see no reason a cop wouldn't do the same.
Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 15h
People fall off motorbikes all the time, and usually get a few bruises, if that. If riding a motorbike was anywhere near as dangerous as you think, it would be considered an extreme sport.
Manfredolin@feddit.org · 1 pts · 9h
Ususally there are not 30+ other Bikes in very close Proximity when you fall of. The Argument isnt, that a bike with a flat tire will Explode in Flames, it is, that in this Situation the first bike would get significantly slowed down by a flat tire, the second bike would crash into the first and a few other bikes would then run over the fallen down. Perfectly Predictably.
resipsaloquitur@lemmy.cafe · 0 pts · 22h
Yes, I think the cop went full Judge Dredd and didn’t consider who he would injure or how bad.
I’ve posted an argument and you’ve called me a three hundred pound 80-year-old (so what if I am?).
Your carbrain is completely obvious. And if you think the officer was justified in possibly killing people (for what perceived offense?), guess what? Fascist, too.
dogdeanafternoon@lemmy.ca · 0 pts · 21h
You have pretty poor reading comprehension if you think I called you a 300 pound 80 year old. That would explain a lot of this.
You really enjoy throwing around those lemmy buzzwords don’t you? It would be funny if it wasn’t so sad.
I’d advise that you try to do some thinking for yourself, not just parrot what some of the circle jerks on here tell you.
resipsaloquitur@lemmy.cafe · -2 pts · 21h
Just the most bottom-tier loser drivel.
Get lost, asshole.
Bixcut@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 14h
I wrecked my motorcycle in a curve at 60 mph and got a broken wrist. These people are not going to die at 25 mph when their tires blow. the cop was not trying to murder anybody stop being sensationalist
tazeycrazy@feddit.uk · -1 pts · 1d
I think they are managing to do that without the cops assistance.
Awooooooga@lemmy.world · -7 pts · 10h
Hell yea kids fight the power
Hubi@feddit.org · 2 pts · 5h
"Hell yea, ride without insurance and under the influence!"
x00z@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 3h
A positive drug test does not prove driving under the influence.
It merely proves drug use in a timespan that can be easily be a week.
PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@anarchist.nexus · -9 pts · 1d
Fucking hero on the ATV, might have saved a life. If one of those motorcycles' tires got popped, the rider might die or suffer life-changing injuries. And it's even wilder that this cop-brained monster thinks that's an acceptable outcome for any minor traffic violation.
ayyy@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 23h
So ripping through town and running over a kid or a dog is hero behavior now?
PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@anarchist.nexus · -1 pts · 22h
If that kid or dog is trying to kill people, then maybe, depending on the circumstances. Obviously if it was an actual kid, you would have to approach the situation with the care it deserves...but also, for example, I would have literally zero qualms about running over a minor committing a school shooting if that was the only option to stop the violence.
Like if it was a person in a different uniform using a baseball bat instead of a car you wouldn't bat a fucking eye at someone using a weapon to defend innocent people.
ayyy@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 20h
It seems like we mostly agree, but I think you are grossly neglecting the danger that these dirt bike and ATV gangs pose. They drive extremely fast in places where that is not OK, including busy sidewalks, and they hurt innocent people all the time. They also tend to leave a trail of destruction behind them as well.
PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@anarchist.nexus · -1 pts · 18h
Right but there is a difference between people riding irresponsibly but without intentionally trying to destroy people, versus this cop who is very deliberately trying to take out as many bikers as possible. And especially for young people whose brains are still developing, in particular the parts of the brain responding for judging risks.
Like of course some of them are riding dangerously, and the dangerous driving should be socially discouraged...but the cops are a particularly blunt, carceral, and ineffective instrument for discouraging any reckless behavior, in particular the bastard in this video. And even within existing carceral systems, spike strips are blunt tools. For example, pigs could have filmed them and picked them up when it was safe to do so, or used the 69 bajillion security cameras that
has to figure out who was driving and yell at them.
WoodScientist@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 21h
That's a bad faith interpretation. How in the world do you see a reply saying, "summary execution is not an acceptable penalty for traffic violations," and warp that into, "well, I guess you just don't want any traffic enforcement at all."
Frankly, your chain of logic is utterly baffling.
ayyy@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 20h
Calling this traffic enforcement is also a bad faith interpretation. Unless you consider people riding motorcycles at high speeds on busy sidewalks to be a traffic issue? That’s what these goons do, and they are constantly injuring innocent people.
WoodScientist@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 16h
What the fuck else would you call it? All infractions involving the use of a vehicle are traffic infractions. Unless I deliberately murder you by tracking you down and deliberately running you over with my car, it's just a traffic infraction. Driving on the sidewalk is a moving violation.
Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works · -19 pts · 1d
They're doing 50 kmh at best, even without a helmet your chances of serious injury are pretty low. People fall off motorbikes all the time at far greater speeds.
Bo7a@piefed.ca · 24 pts · 1d
This is an incorrect, dangerous, and irresponsible thing to say. You can very easily die at 5km/h on a motorcycle. Your body is not as tough as you think it is.
Toto@lemmy.world · -12 pts · 1d
Not a comment on anything else but this is a ridiculous statement.
TowardsTheFuture@lemmy.zip · 18 pts · 1d
You could be going 0km/h and fall off and die if you’re in the middle of the fucking road and someone hits you so like… yeah.
Zoomboingding@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1d
Yes it's possible with unfortunate circumstances. "Very easily die at 5 km/h" is demonstrably untrue, as though a significant amount of people that start up a bike die horribly. Yes bikes/mopeds/motorcycles are more dangerous than cars but it's dumb to misrepresent reality like this.
The second half of your statement demonstrates how the bikers are acting unsafely in the first place.
Bo7a@piefed.ca · 6 pts · 1d
My comment isn't even really about motorcycles being extra dangerous. I ride every day that weather allows and have for over 30 years.
It is more about how remarkably fragile some of our bodies' weak points are. Perhaps I could have worded it better. But to me 'easily die' just means unexpected stuff can happen when putting a bike down at all. Not that there is necessarily a high likelihood of it happening at that speed, just that it is easy.
Olgratin_Magmatoe@slrpnk.net · 16 pts · 1d
One wrong twist of the neck from a bad fall and you're dead.
The bastard cops shouldn't be doing this.
Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works · -2 pts · 21h
Yeah, the big meanies should just let them snatch all the phones they want and terrorise pedestrians.
Go fuck yourself.
Olgratin_Magmatoe@slrpnk.net · 4 pts · 21h
Ah yes, the only to options:
Surely there is no nuance or inbetween option available. Surely they should just get the death penalty for such horrid theft and disrespect of the sanctity of physical posessions.
Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works · -2 pts · 21h
They actually do just run these twits over quite often, with massive public support.
WoodScientist@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 21h
You're advocating summary execution for traffic violations.
Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 15h
Why are you absolutely convinced any fall on a motorbike is fatal? You're absolutely everywhere in this thread making the same argument.
People fall off the things all the time.
boonhet@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 2h
By that logic, the riders are also doing summary execution of pedestrians. They're definitely doing their best to get into accidents.
untorquer@quokk.au · 5 pts · 1d
Motorcycles are known for sharing roads with other vehicles.
But yeah in isolation a broken ankle is far more likely at these speeds, not exactly life threatening in most cases.
Bo7a@piefed.ca · 5 pts · 1d
Let me know when you've got 100,000 km of saddle time and then we can have this chat again.
Cypher@aussie.zone · 0 pts · 15h
I’ve got over five times that and you’re wrong.
EggInDisguise@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 20 pts · 1d
"falling aoff the motorcycle that is moving faster than people can sprint, even without a helmet, isn't that dangerous"
As someone who sells and fixes bicycles this is THE STUPIDEST FUCKING THING I'VE READ THIS WEEK. And I heard someone recently say "at least dolly Parton knew to stay out of politics"
ANY fall off a bike, motorized or not, can be fatal. If you're moving, those chances go up. If you're moving a heavy or large bike, it's even greater. It's why I refuse to sell bikes to anyone who says they don't wear helmets.
People have fallen from higher than the tallest building and survived. Doesn't mean it's not insanely dangerous.
Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works · -3 pts · 21h
Can be? Sure. Likely to be? Not really. And if they're not wearing a helmet, that's their problem anyway.
PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@anarchist.nexus · 19 pts · 1d
And usually die horrible deaths at said speeds...
Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works · -4 pts · 21h
No, they don't. Have you ever seen MotoGP? Those guys will drop their bike at hundreds of KMH, get up, and walk away quite often.
ohulancutash@feddit.uk · 5 pts · 15h
Because they are wearing highly advanced protective gear, are trained how to take a fall, are in peak physical condition, and are racing in an environment specially designed to protect them.
Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works · -4 pts · 15h
Yeah, and if they can do it at hundreds of KMH, normal people can do it at 30.
resipsaloquitur@lemmy.cafe · 8 pts · 1d
I have a scar from when a car pulled in front of me while I was going walking speed on a bicycle.
Shut the fuck up.
Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works · -5 pts · 21h
I don't believe you were going walking speed. And I know people who have dropped a bike in a corner multiple times, and just got up.
resipsaloquitur@lemmy.cafe · 5 pts · 21h
You want a picture?
The fuck is wrong with you?
Fucking ghoul.
Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works · -3 pts · 21h
I think you're making shit up, to be honest.
resipsaloquitur@lemmy.cafe · 5 pts · 21h
Here you go:
Convinced?
Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works · -3 pts · 17h
That's it? That's your horrible scar?
What a drama queen.
WoodScientist@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 21h
Falling off a bike at 50 kph means you're hitting the ground with the same speed as a 10 meter fall. Please go jump off a three story building and then come back to report how harmless it is.
Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works · -2 pts · 21h
If you hit a solid object, then it's an equivalent comparison. Usually you just slide to a stop.
Squizzy@lemmy.world · -10 pts · 1d
American export shit
Texas_Hangover@lemmy.radio · 1 pts · 1d
Lmao, we didn't send those "youths" over there. Handle your own problems shitheel.
Squizzy@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1d
Not my country either but this scramblers and quads is like a street culture and delinquent shit over in the states
Texas_Hangover@lemmy.radio · 5 pts · 1d
Seems it's fairly common in Ye Olde England as well.
Not sure why you feel the need to bring up the US.
Squizzy@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 21h
I have never seen it before. Only ever is like rap videos or shows and movies where they are trying to sell a street aesthetic.
It wasnt so much a burning need as an observation
Texas_Hangover@lemmy.radio · -1 pts · 19h
Do you make a habit out of spewing your random opinions about topics you clearly know next to nothing about?
Squizzy@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 12h
Jesus man get off your cross, it was a one line observation, not an opinion on a topic that rquires some great knowledge.
How long have you been studying scramblers going up roads?
https://youtu.be/eGOSFey_Zxo
https://youtu.be/_GtJE5FJl0E