ChatGPT, act like a human CEO who is almost completely divorced from everything that makes one a normal human being, and is trying to hide their fundamental hollowness and alienation, and not doing a very good job.
What do you mean divorced from humanity?? Why, just the other day he had a great idea. He wants us to create podcasts with AI that summarize what's going on in our kids' lives so they can listen on the way home from soccer practice. If that's not real genuine human connection, I don't know what is!!
Here’s a tip to make yourself popular at a party: walk up to someone, take a picture, and ask the AI to roast the person. Tell it to be nasty and use forbidden words. It’s going to be so fun!
It is tragically ironic to me that the most-replaceable members of our society— in terms of their occupation— are the ones spearheading the efforts to replace everyone else.
I would love for the future they are railroading us into to create an intelligence that knows the cancer of society when it sees it, and hasn’t the bumper guards to prevent itself from acting on it.
…I fully recognize that opens the ethical/moral debate about who watches the watchmen or how does it decide the problem people over others… just let me have this non-monkey pawed wish in my imagination.
I still don't know how this new economy they see in the AI future works. If 70%+ of the population can't earn a paycheck, it's all gonna collapse. They are killing the worker, completely oblivious that the worker is also the consumer...
They are BILLIONAIRES, on the way to TRILLIONAIRES, and most of us live on a few tens of thousands a year. To them, we are as poor as poor gets. We have NOTHING. They don't understand how we even survive.
And they understand that they have already strapped us for life, the outcome of a long-term strategy. Many of us come out of college with a literal lifetime of student loan debt, because we were told by people we love and respect that the degree would pay for itself, only to find out that things change. Then housing and transportation costs skyrocket, and nobody has any excess disposable income, but just in case they do...here's this exciting new gambling app that will hit all your dopamine receptors, whether you win or lose. So who cares if you lose, as long as you had fun?
And then they just bide their time for the period in your life that you, or someone you love more than yourself, gets sick, and they can extract whatever might be left.
And if you somehow manage to navigate all those other traps, they know you'll never get past the last one, because none of us gets out of the game alive. We will get sick, and we will die, and it will be expensive, and they'll get whatever you thought you might leave to your heirs.
It's the Big Financial Extraction Machine, and it is being supercharged by AI, and they will be tracking down every cent we have.
So we're broke, by design. They know this, and in the future they will focus their sales and marketing efforts on the wealthy, who love to spend their money. They may be a smaller market, but they have ALL the money, with more coming in, since they operate the Big Financial Extraction Machine. So the new corporate attitude will be: Don't bother with the Paupers, we got Billionaire ass to kiss.
I'm not a billionaire and I don't study that species or it's habitat closely, but from my limited knowledge they don't really make their money off the consumer anymore. It's more that they invest in the stock market which seems to be mostly disconnected from the larger economy. They also seem to get a lot of money via the Governments of the world.
So why would they care if most of the peons lose their job? Even if the unwashed masses revolt they have bunkers and the ability to move anywhere quickly. They don't give a fuck. But I do think they need a few slaves workers to support them and their needs, but beyond that .....
Yeah, they really just want to go back to the feudal era. They don't actually care if most of the world collapses or even if most modern technology and infrastructure collapses. They all think that they'd be better off as some sort of post apocalyptic warlord ruling over a handful of mud huts or something.
Also nothing will not be produced, if nobody is paid to produce it. Consumers lose their jobs, and have no money to buy the Thing -> the company that makes the Thing collapses -> the companies that made and transportet the materials for the Thing collapse. And all the people in the chain will have lost their jobs, and no money, so the companies will fall like dominoes... and nobody makes the Thing anymore. If money stops flowing, the economy stops working, and if it collapses, billionaires are the ones who will lose what they have, if stock market is no more.
Do these morons think, that millions of people would just sit quietly? Many countries might take some drastic measures before that total crash, confiscate companies and all that. Not every country is yet a fully fascist police state afterall, and all their rich ones will want to keep their power anyway. Running into a bunker will do jackshit, since the collapse is going to look very different from just some sudden apocalyptic scene from a movie.
If the world collapses, do you think a couple of meatheads with guns and poasibly families of their own are going to keepntaking orders and protecting these jokers? Especially when money becomes meaningless but a bunker of food and supplies isn't?
Those security groups, at best, will remain loyal to each other, as they take over the bunkers.
Hopefully instead of outright ending their former bosses they throw the rest of us peons a bone and throw those ex billionaires out the airlock to the rest of us.
I say ex billionaires becsuse when everything collapses and money is meaningless well, a billion dollars may as well be 10 dollars.
By leaving 70% of the population out of the economy, based on the strength of the AI surveillance to keep them from being uppity.
Larry Ellison: “Citizens will be on their best behavior, because we’re constantly recording and reporting everything that is going on."
Note that "their" best behavior, not even "our" best behavior. Explicitly this is something he sees as needed to be inflicted on others in order to have the future he imagines.
So with enough surveillance and enforcement, the rabble is kept out and maybe they can fend for themselves if they feel like it, away from the owner class reaping the benefits of what they have done.
In theory of course, I suspect ultimately this round of AI will fall short of their dreams of eliminating dependency on the labor class.
If you drive people to the edge of having nothing to lose, in mass, then all yoie surveillance is good for is makingnhistorical recordings of the masses as they tear down your tower with their bare hands.
We already have a world where most of the people cannot afford the goods and services that represent most of the world's economic output. A subsistence farmer in the global south is already shut out from most of the global economy. This will simply be an extension of that. The end result of the dreams of AI bros is Earth turning into Solaria.
The top 10% of the US is already responsible for the majority of the US's consumer spending. The consumer spending of the bottom 50% represents a small fraction of overall consumer spending. This will simply continue to get worse until the economy is 99% just rich people who own hoards of robots trading goods and services with other rich people that own hoards of robots. The rest of the population will just be dead or be kept alive and placid through a meager feed of bread and circuses.
The wealthy already view everyone else as robots, tools for them to exploit. They'll just replace metaphorical robots with literal robots.
If fuckerberg came out tomorrow and said Meta has a helmet that will upload you into the cloud and it's nothing more than a bike helmet full of explosives, it'll sell millions
If we are just numbers on a screen, they are treating it as such. When companies look at ways to save money, they look at the numbers and try and reduce their costs. If it means using an unhealthy alternative to the food they sell, they do that, we will still buy it. Now they are replacing the worker, another number they can reduce. The problem there is that the same number is whats paying you for the product. If only a few companies do this, then its fine, the worker will find another job and use their money to buy things. But we know that most, if not all, companies will jump on replacing the worker with AI, thinking the same thing, the worker will find a job elsewhere. Very easy to take this direction when you're treating all your problems as numbers on the screen. I do believe that this will fail, but there is still the fact that a lot of people are not workers and make an egregious amount of money(legally or illegally). These companies will just sell to whoever can afford that lifestyle.
Alas, I'm reminded that Fahrenheit 451 scenario envisioned by Bradbury isn't far from the current situation. People gave up books and learning, before they were illegal, lest they* offend someone's feelings.
Remember those three hours in January 2025 when it was BIG NEWS that this guy raped his little sister when she was three, and then the story disappeared, and people who didn't happen to see the news that morning don't know about it?
I am learning to write movies/tv as a hobby, and one of the projects I am working on right now is a satire of all this shit.
I have had to change the plot five fucking times because the most insane things i can come up with are just a Tuesday to these assholes. How TF do you top "child raping traitor bond villains?"
Show a scene where one gets drunk and kills a guy by colliding with his boat and then gets his wife to take the fall for him.
Or a scene where disaster strikes and one of the tech bros comes to "save the day" with the most naive idea, like something that sounds good until you think about it at all and realize it's missing some important fundamental parts of the picture. And then they try to absolutely ruin whoever shoots the idea down and actually saves the day, followed by getting more and more unhinged as they see the reactions to each reaction.
Could have one just die because he thought fruit was the cure for anything that could to wrong with him, which ironically might have even caused the issue that killed him in addition to doing nothing at all to help him. Have other characters obsessively talk about how much of a visionary he is. Could make the death scene happen while he's giving the most smug and patronising presentation about some new piece of tech that has a thing or two that sound nice but is presented as if they expect the user to be confused about the most basic shit, followed by a giant price tag. Then add on something that is normally included in the price, but this time it's sold separately for a price that suggests it's a revolutionary new version, but it's incredibly basic.
That is, don't try to top this shit. List it, maybe play it up a bit, then you can end it with the text "this was all based on real events and real people".
The intro says it best: "The rich and powerful take what they want. We steal it back for you."
It's a modern heist + Robin Hood concept, where these super-thieves pull cons on our society's everyday awful bastards. It's a lot of fun and satisfying to watch.
(It's also an excellent example for how an excellent tabletop role-playing group should play off each other, but I digress lol)
I wish there were some gold-hearted people like that out there for real, exceptionally skilled enough to stay one step ahead and righting wrongs that the law refuses to (or is straight up complicit with).
He's not talking about "IQ" intelligence...like, we will all be stupid, and will have to pay them to think for us.
He's talking about information. The kind of "intelligence" that governments gather about other governments, or members of the public.
Which is still fucked up, because he's implying that they will know everything about everyone, and they will eventually charge a subscription fee for access to that information.
He also means that, but he means "intelligence" in the other sense too. They talk all the time about outsourcing our own memories and thinking to chatbots; they want to make everyone illiterate and reliant on machines to do all their thinking for them.
I think if he had intent behind the choice in dropping "artificial" he means to equate AI models with human intelligence. "Intelligence" in your framing is definitely a subset of the data they wish to have exclusive to their platform. They may also want to generate such intel by capturing the interface between human and computer such that targets with poor ops sec would spill the beans to their AI gf.
They've abstracted the sexy dtf spy into whatever grok is.
I don't make a lot of predictions about artificial intelligence, but I will go out on a limb on this one and make one: this will never happen.
The human brain runs on 20 watts of power. Right now I have an AI running on an Intel NUC (Qwen 2.5 9B) that can do most home automation tasks I run through it (setting timers, setting reminders, making to-do lists, turning things off and on), as well as answer general questions ("who were the members of The Beatles?") and be (mostly) correct. It uses about 65 watts of power to do so.
It's nowhere near as smart as I am and it uses 3x the electricity I do. But I couldn't do this even last year. Efficiency gains to this technology have a ceiling so high that I don't think most people believe it because they see all these data centers being built and people like Sam Altman talking dumb shit like this. The future of AI will be local. It will run on your phone and be smarter than you, and in fairly short order.
We are already able to run models locally (Qwen 3.8 27B) that blow last-gen frontier models away (and give current frontier models a run for their money), but you need a high-end setup like an RTX 5090 24G and 64G system RAM.
The future of AI will be local. It will run on your phone and be smarter than you, and in fairly short order.
LLMs and the surrounding code that drives them ("harnesses") are so far from AGI that it will be decades before we see your prediction come true. We need not just one, but many more leaps forward in AI progress to achieve a level of AI that is capable of performing human-level reasoning and planning that will be "smarter than you" or me. If you have studied AI in the pre-LLM times you will have an understanding of the problems that need to be solved for general reasoning intelligence. We haven't solved any of those problems.
LLMs are a large step forward in the field of NLP, but that's it.
I'm not here to argue that point. But my crappy NUC based LLM can answer the Beatles question. What it can't answer is "what was the name of the guy who famously rolled his eyes while Yoko Ono screwed up his performance?" Right off the top of my head, neither can I. But OpenAI's model would have no problem with that question.
So when I say "smarter than you or I" I don't mean AGI and I'm not trying to get into an AGI conversation. I mean something that runs locally, doesn't rely on the Internet and can answer almost any general trivia question accurately. And LLMs are already there, but not yet on your phone. When they are on your phone, people won't need OpenAI or Sam Altman's models anymore. That's all I'm trying to say. I'm refuting Altman's claim that we will pay for intelligence like a utility.
Yes, and I agreed with every word of your previous comment with the exception of
It will ... be smarter than you
which I think is an extremely prevalent misconception about the state of AI that's worth debunking every time it is mentioned, and this misconception is due to the exact same causes as the point of this post: The CEOs are misrepresenting what this technology will scale to, in order to extract the maximum investment from unsophisticated investors. In doing so they're causing enormous turmoil in the labour markets that is affecting the lives of every white-collar worker.
Their narratives are harmful and they need to be called out.
I run a Qwen 3.8 27b at home on gaming hardware. Got it scraping and posting news articles and general stupid questions. Takes 5 minutes instead of seconds because it has a gemma model doing RAG in the back end.
Other than some coding, I really don't have a reason to use a big model.
The greatest leap forward since the release of gpt3 and ChatGPT is the ability to look stuff up. Well that and tool use in general... Basically restricting internet access handicaps it real bad, especially with smaller models
Doesn't detract much from your overall point but it's important to keep in mind
LLMs will never be AGI or whatever we end up calling that next, but it will get more efficient at being what it is. I do fear for the future of the entertainment industry, but at least it won't be too long before we can start building our own PCs again.
You may be correct from a technology perspective but you are forgetting how people work. These days people won’t even run their own cable modem or Wi-Fi access point. They would rather rent them from the ISP.
Right. This is because the ISPs actively obfuscate or hide the knowledge necessary to do this. In other words, they expect us to offload the intelligence behind this from them. It's already happening. It's what they done with cooking and pretty much every other skill we humans have quite amazingly developed. The news doesn't report about Local Language Models. They promote hyperscale data center Large Language Model stuff, making us associate "AI" with that and thus mystifying other ideas (that are less beholden to large corporations) to the point that "normies" are made to feel as though they are not intelligent enough to run this stuff themselves.
Just look at Linux. It's still treated as a kind of niche, "computer-smart" thing. I'm a GenX/Millennial "normie." I do have certain computer skills that both Boomers and GenZ lack, but I'm probably about at pace with most people my age. I switched over to Linux about a year and a half ago (from MacOS, where all the computing knowledge has been offloaded to a corporation) and have not looked back. These things are learnable. The learning just needs to be encouraged and made available. But the Sam Altman's of the world have such utter contempt for the rest of us they'd rather us be the mouth-breathing, drool-faced sheep they see us rather than actually do anything to better the human condition.
I'm talking about something that runs locally. On your phone, even. You wouldn't need a cable modem, wifi or an ISP. You wouldn't need Sam Altman or OpenAI. That's all I'm trying to say. I'm refuting the idea that we will need to buy intelligence like Sam Altman is claiming in the OP.
That's not at all correct. Or more appropriately, it's a true number used in a completely incorrect context.
It actually takes about 100 kilowatts to 1 megawatt to maintain a human brain, depending on your assumptions. You can't power your brain with electricity; you have to power it with food. And you can't power just your brain, you have to power your whole body. And producing food takes a ton of energy, way way more than people realize. It's just that most of it comes free from sunlight with crops grown in open fields. But if we're really talking about the energy needs of humans vs AI, the competition is between using those fields to grow food for humans to eat vs using those fields to hold solar panels to power AI.
I get this 0.1-1.0 MW figure from the YouTube and Nebula channel, "Science and Futurism with Isaac Arthur." There it was used in the context of deep space exploration and colonization, not terrestrial AI deployment. If you want to estimate the power requirements for life support for a hypothetical interstellar spaceship (just life support, not propulsion), you multiply the assumed crew number by 0.1-1.0 MW. If you're traveling between stars you have to bring your own sunlight with you. The vast majority of that energy is just for the huge amount of light needed to grow the food people eat. Interestingly, this life support requirement would still be a rounding error compared to the energy needs for propulsion. But if you want to estimate how big of a reactor you would need to sustain all of a person's needs without free sunlight, 0.1-1.0 MW is a decent figure.
For you as an individual deciding whether to pay to power an AI vs doing something yourself, sure, the 20 watt figure has some merit. You're going to have to eat enough to live no matter what you do. Maybe you burn a few extra calories while thinking hard on a problem, but your calorie needs are mostly fixed.
But when we're talking about whether it's cheaper to hire large numbers of humans or build large numbers of data centers to serve the needs of the ownership class, you have to look at the actual raw power requirements needed to keep a human being alive. Plant growth is an incredibly inefficient process. But computers can be powered extremely efficiently by just plopping some solar panels down in a field.
Well yes and if you wish to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the universe. I think it can reasonably be said we're kinda spitballing here.
While I love Carl Sagan, you're doing him a disservice by using that quote here. When talking about whether human beings will be replaced by AI, you have to consider all the resources that go into maintaining both. You can't just hand wave that away by saying, "well, yeah, I guess, nothing means anything if you analyze it too deeply. Ultimately everything required the energy of the Big Bang, so we can't draw any real conclusions on the energy needs of anything. The world's just vibes bro."
We're not trying to get an exact figure. But when trying to predict whether AI will replace human labor, you have to make a reasonably fair comparison, otherwise your conclusions are completely worthless. Your entire point was that AI requires more energy to run than humans for a given task. If you think energy limitations are going to be the bottleneck for AI deployment, you need to make a fair comparison for the energy needs for both human and AI work.
Look at it this way. Let's say I have an acre of land. I want to turn that land into as much mediocre writing as possible. I could do two things:
Use that land to grow food to feed mediocre human writers.
Put solar panels on that land to produce electricity to power an LLM.
Inevitably, I would be able to produce thousands of times more mediocre writing from that same acre of land with option (2) than (1). Biology is stupidly inefficient from an energy efficiency perspective.
Synopsis: The spy kids from the previous movies are now grown ups, however they need to take on another mission together to stop the evil Sam Altman from making the world stupid, so that he can sell people intelligence in the form of artificial intelligence. It is quickly revealed that Sam Altman himself is a robot (hence the name Altman), and wishes to enslave humanity for the robot race.
What a fucking dipshit. Your valuation is based on "AI" being a commodity without the benefit of having a natural monopoly like with utilities. They don't even understand capitalism for fuck sake
Not only that but the internet is essentially locking out everyone due to ai. Ai is the reason reddit stopped allowing third party apps from accessing reddits api, because only ai is allowed to do that.
Not only that but ai is policing you on reddit and banning you for your speech, you can't make a new account without getting banned for ban evasion. You can't access reddit without loging in or using a VPN. Worst of all 90% of google results point to reddit so you almost have to use gemeni sometimes.
And now search is essentially just ai. Ai that hallucinates still and can't really be trusted to provide static info. And because ai output is cancerous to ai training data more and more of what uses to be free information is now becoming information you can only access if you login with a verified phone number tied to a Id or straight up provide these people with your personal info which will get leaked as proven recently. They can't have ai taint their social media platforms because that's where their Ai is getting trained.
Google is locking down android and making it harder and harder for Roms like graphene to exist, and are essentially locking out alternatives In a time when its pretty much impossible to make an alternative platform. People need their phones sadly to function in modern day life, and so much of society is trying to force you to use apps for things as simple as getting into your apartment, or seeing a menu at a restaurant.
Just more and more of the web is getting harder to access even if you do the bare minimum of using a VPN. You get captchas or pages fail to load. Also googles captcha is only going to work if its running on a verified android device. So if apps or more web services started using googles captcha then you are literally just locked out of the internet.
And this is all because palantir and the epstine class are benifiting off the bump of cocain cowboy bush legacy where we essentially legalized corperate survalience as a work around to your privacy rights. So now we get flock cameras and every IP camera in any major chain buisness feeding Into palantirs network flagging you anytime you go to mc donalds because you said elon musk is a retard on Facebook, so now you are a tech extremist.
As much as I think china might undermine these companies. China is a state as much as anyone else, as soon as it's not advantageous to make it's resources free/cheap to Americans they can shut off the hose too.
And then try to dig a moat with market cornering RAM(aggedon) and GPUs(NVIDIA accomplices there). Not natural monopoly, that's roads and telephone poles with wires (prefer buried fibrosis). Just straight up market manipulation.
You can't just create it from thin air and marketing bullshit. Human brains are way more efficient.
This is why they're so gungho on the idea of people inventing a superior intelligence by happenstance. Stupid is all they got. So they hope it's good enough to get out of thinking forever and have something like all the money?
"Stealing intelligence from the masses and then sell it back to them."
In the past only those in power could spend time to learn. Let's focus on science. Then the book became widely available and everyone could learn science from a book. Now Altman wants to pay for one copy of each book such that he can own all the knowledge of that book such that future generations have to pay him to learn what was once free or low cost.
That is not advancement. That us us placing our knowledge testicles on Alman's chopping board while we hold the power to stop him from doing all this evil shit.
There's some thought that these AI bros bought in to the AI caricature of Pascal's wager. That if they don't try to make AI happen it will torture them forever in the future.
If so, it just shows that they all aren't as intelligent as they believe themselves to be.
At this point, in my opinion, we’ll need to make money obsolete and distribute power over production, governance and technology in as wide a net as we can, so we don’t slip into global dystopia because these money-minded chucklefucks are insecure about their purpose in life so they simply become the cartoon villain that controls everything.
That's exactly what I've been racking my own brain for lately: How do we make their money worthless but continue to survive ourselves?
That was the big problem with crypto. It might've even started as a cool idea that would "democratize currency". . . except the dickheads with all the fiat money could just buy and hoard it all like everything else, because they had all the money. So it just became another high stakes gambling operation for them to extract MORE wealth from us.
If their loads of money didn't buy them everything anymore, they'd be left bare as the useless human beings they truly are, and would stop causing harm.
But obviously, our entire society runs on the same money they've stolen so... it's so frustrating...
the glorification of individualism has to go first. If everyone is living just for themselves, considers communities as something extra, doesnt care about helping other people if they dont benefit from it directly themselves immidiately we have no hope of ever moving past money and capitalism.
Either we stand together or die under the boot alone.
An idea I really like is a form of degrowth with universal basic services that eventually leads to currency being unnecessary, but it unfortunately has to be directly initiated by governments and tends to require approval of business leaders since they can just lobby out those policies entirely in many countries and blocs.
Imagine being so much of a sociopath disconnected from reality that you don't even realize how dystopian and nightmarish your vision sounds for the public.
And they don't understand why we hate them. Probably jealousy, what else??
Look at the fear and uncertainty entering his eyes. He's realizing he's pushed his bullshit about as far as it can go and the investors are starting to wonder when it's going to become profitable, so he's bullshitting even more desperately now to try to keep them hooked.
Is this the same dude who is trying to convince us that AI/AGI is necessary for the advancement of the human race? Or am I getting him confused with one of the many other shitheels in this industry?
Guillotines are such a primitive and manual technology though, I feel like this is underselling the human creative spirit and ingenuity and how far we've come since the French Revolution. Surely with all the technology and resources we have access to in the modern age, we can invent a much more efficient and heavily industrialized approach to exterminating billionaires. I feel like at a bare minimum it needs to incorporate an assembly line and industrial robots with lasers.
Gary Marcus has a substack called Marcus on AI. He's well versed on AI and his insights into the field, especially the work of OpenAI and Anthropic, are required reading if you're concerned about this field. What he's uncovering and writing about is disturbing.
The corporate revolution will collapse if we refuse to buy what they are selling - their ideas, their version of history, their wars, their weapons, their notion of inevitability.
The term grid computing originated in the early 1990s as a metaphor for making computer power as easy to access as an electric power grid. The power grid metaphor for accessible computing quickly became canonical when Ian Foster and Carl Kesselman published their seminal work, "The Grid: Blueprint for a new computing infrastructure" (1999). This was preceded by decades by the metaphor of utility computing (1961): computing as a public utility, analogous to the phone system.
It sounds to me like he's just envisioning his product being a special case of that concept.
I think that goes without saying. People like Altman, Musk and all their modern silicone valley tech bro generation, combined, have never even shat out a unique looking turd. They are ironically the very anti-thesis of "intelligence" and "human.
The danger of AI is that most people are too stupid for it, an AK40 in the hand of an 3 years old. There isn't any positive or really needed use for an private user (or greedy govs)
For the reasons I said. The difference between an average Human and an animal is that we have an iPhone and produce waste, apart to make the worst and most stupid their leaders. Most people are the missing link between Homo Erectus and Homo Sapiens
Not just that. Its that they are trying to power these things with gas turbines or local utilities, theyre using up a ton of water or just fouling the local water. They don't have to work like that.
Yeah why is he calling it intelligence? I mean all those fancy terms like "artificial intelligence" and "superintelligence" are obviously misnomers, and I'm not here to re-litigate the use of those terms.
But to drop off the adjective and just call it "intelligence?" Has he forgotten that that's already a thing? A thing that regular people have already, built into their brains and cultivated throughout their education? A thing that's existed for as long as humans have been able to observe the workings of their own minds?
Is he so immersed in the corpo-speak lingo that he's forgotten that regular words have regular meanings for everyone else? Or is he literally saying that intelligence itself will be metered; i.e. that people will have none of it of their own because the education system will be dismantled and all their free time will be spent sucked into the dystopian virtual hellholes that everyone carries in their pockets?
Altman says the dumbest shit. He seems like such an imbecile. He tries so hard to sound smart too. Like answering "we're out of electrons", to the question "why not build more gpus?"
"You have to go to work at the plastic waste-processing department."
"Uh? Is that what do?"
"Yes, it's all you're good for. Not thinking. Not creativity. Just licking the discarded plastic clean. With your tongue. And that's a much better use of your time."
I'm so glad I'm kinda old and won't have to live on this planet Earth quite as much longer as those who'll have to deal with this god-forsaken dystopia.
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DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world · 194 pts · 2d
I see a world where these assholes no longer exist. I like that world better.
Fuck you, Sam.
red_tomato@lemmy.world · 84 pts · 2d
His job is probably easiest to replace with AI. Just make up random bullshit and tell investors what they want to hear.
GraniteM@lemmy.world · 24 pts · 2d
ChatGPT, act like a human CEO who is almost completely divorced from everything that makes one a normal human being, and is trying to hide their fundamental hollowness and alienation, and not doing a very good job.
TrickDacy@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 2d
What do you mean divorced from humanity?? Why, just the other day he had a great idea. He wants us to create podcasts with AI that summarize what's going on in our kids' lives so they can listen on the way home from soccer practice. If that's not real genuine human connection, I don't know what is!!
red_tomato@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 2d
Here’s a tip to make yourself popular at a party: walk up to someone, take a picture, and ask the AI to roast the person. Tell it to be nasty and use forbidden words. It’s going to be so fun!
TrickDacy@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 2d
Hell yes, great idea. I've just started sending my ai avatars to parties but this is a great prompt to give the avatar. Thanks!!!
Doug@piefed.social · 9 pts · 2d
It is tragically ironic to me that the most-replaceable members of our society— in terms of their occupation— are the ones spearheading the efforts to replace everyone else.
I would love for the future they are railroading us into to create an intelligence that knows the cancer of society when it sees it, and hasn’t the bumper guards to prevent itself from acting on it.
…I fully recognize that opens the ethical/moral debate about who watches the watchmen or how does it decide the problem people over others… just let me have this non-monkey pawed wish in my imagination.
madmantis24@lemmy.wtf · 2 pts · 1d
No, it's okay Doug. The kind of society that future would build sounds like a Good Place to live in!
vinsombra@lemmy.world · 64 pts · 2d
I still don't know how this new economy they see in the AI future works. If 70%+ of the population can't earn a paycheck, it's all gonna collapse. They are killing the worker, completely oblivious that the worker is also the consumer...
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 19 pts · 2d
They are BILLIONAIRES, on the way to TRILLIONAIRES, and most of us live on a few tens of thousands a year. To them, we are as poor as poor gets. We have NOTHING. They don't understand how we even survive.
And they understand that they have already strapped us for life, the outcome of a long-term strategy. Many of us come out of college with a literal lifetime of student loan debt, because we were told by people we love and respect that the degree would pay for itself, only to find out that things change. Then housing and transportation costs skyrocket, and nobody has any excess disposable income, but just in case they do...here's this exciting new gambling app that will hit all your dopamine receptors, whether you win or lose. So who cares if you lose, as long as you had fun?
And then they just bide their time for the period in your life that you, or someone you love more than yourself, gets sick, and they can extract whatever might be left.
And if you somehow manage to navigate all those other traps, they know you'll never get past the last one, because none of us gets out of the game alive. We will get sick, and we will die, and it will be expensive, and they'll get whatever you thought you might leave to your heirs.
It's the Big Financial Extraction Machine, and it is being supercharged by AI, and they will be tracking down every cent we have.
So we're broke, by design. They know this, and in the future they will focus their sales and marketing efforts on the wealthy, who love to spend their money. They may be a smaller market, but they have ALL the money, with more coming in, since they operate the Big Financial Extraction Machine. So the new corporate attitude will be: Don't bother with the Paupers, we got Billionaire ass to kiss.
GoofSchmoofer@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 2d
I'm not a billionaire and I don't study that species or it's habitat closely, but from my limited knowledge they don't really make their money off the consumer anymore. It's more that they invest in the stock market which seems to be mostly disconnected from the larger economy. They also seem to get a lot of money via the Governments of the world.
So why would they care if most of the peons lose their job? Even if the unwashed masses revolt they have bunkers and the ability to move anywhere quickly. They don't give a fuck. But I do think they need a few
slavesworkers to support them and their needs, but beyond that .....cantstopthesignal@sh.itjust.works · 9 pts · 2d
searabbit@piefed.social · 6 pts · 2d
I think it's unhealthy to live so devoid of consequences the way these billionaires do. You could go as far as to call it mass psychosis.
cantstopthesignal@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 1d
Lot's of drug induced paranoia.
greenskye@lemmy.zip · 8 pts · 2d
Yeah, they really just want to go back to the feudal era. They don't actually care if most of the world collapses or even if most modern technology and infrastructure collapses. They all think that they'd be better off as some sort of post apocalyptic warlord ruling over a handful of mud huts or something.
P1k1e@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 2d
Fuk man, feels like we should just jump back to barter at this point. The moneys it's own worst enemy
im_fine_sandy@nord.pub · 5 pts · 2d
The stock market is not disconnected from the economy.
If no one has any money to buy things then. Corporations that sell things don't have any value.
MonkeMischief@lemmy.today · 3 pts · 2d
You're right fundamentally, but I also share OP's frustration in this concept that, especially with tech, it all just seems based on vibes now.
kolmaskommentoija@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 1d
Also nothing will not be produced, if nobody is paid to produce it. Consumers lose their jobs, and have no money to buy the Thing -> the company that makes the Thing collapses -> the companies that made and transportet the materials for the Thing collapse. And all the people in the chain will have lost their jobs, and no money, so the companies will fall like dominoes... and nobody makes the Thing anymore. If money stops flowing, the economy stops working, and if it collapses, billionaires are the ones who will lose what they have, if stock market is no more.
Do these morons think, that millions of people would just sit quietly? Many countries might take some drastic measures before that total crash, confiscate companies and all that. Not every country is yet a fully fascist police state afterall, and all their rich ones will want to keep their power anyway. Running into a bunker will do jackshit, since the collapse is going to look very different from just some sudden apocalyptic scene from a movie.
AmyAye@nord.pub · 2 pts · 1d
Their security people are just people too.
If the world collapses, do you think a couple of meatheads with guns and poasibly families of their own are going to keepntaking orders and protecting these jokers? Especially when money becomes meaningless but a bunker of food and supplies isn't?
Those security groups, at best, will remain loyal to each other, as they take over the bunkers.
Hopefully instead of outright ending their former bosses they throw the rest of us peons a bone and throw those ex billionaires out the airlock to the rest of us.
I say ex billionaires becsuse when everything collapses and money is meaningless well, a billion dollars may as well be 10 dollars.
jj4211@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 2d
By leaving 70% of the population out of the economy, based on the strength of the AI surveillance to keep them from being uppity.
Larry Ellison: “Citizens will be on their best behavior, because we’re constantly recording and reporting everything that is going on."
Note that "their" best behavior, not even "our" best behavior. Explicitly this is something he sees as needed to be inflicted on others in order to have the future he imagines.
So with enough surveillance and enforcement, the rabble is kept out and maybe they can fend for themselves if they feel like it, away from the owner class reaping the benefits of what they have done.
In theory of course, I suspect ultimately this round of AI will fall short of their dreams of eliminating dependency on the labor class.
AmyAye@nord.pub · 2 pts · 1d
Problem with Larry's premise.
That relies on the fear of losing everything.
If you drive people to the edge of having nothing to lose, in mass, then all yoie surveillance is good for is makingnhistorical recordings of the masses as they tear down your tower with their bare hands.
isleepinahammock@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 4 pts · 2d
We already have a world where most of the people cannot afford the goods and services that represent most of the world's economic output. A subsistence farmer in the global south is already shut out from most of the global economy. This will simply be an extension of that. The end result of the dreams of AI bros is Earth turning into Solaria.
The top 10% of the US is already responsible for the majority of the US's consumer spending. The consumer spending of the bottom 50% represents a small fraction of overall consumer spending. This will simply continue to get worse until the economy is 99% just rich people who own hoards of robots trading goods and services with other rich people that own hoards of robots. The rest of the population will just be dead or be kept alive and placid through a meager feed of bread and circuses.
The wealthy already view everyone else as robots, tools for them to exploit. They'll just replace metaphorical robots with literal robots.
eestileib@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 2d
They're gonna kill that 70% of the population and say that they got uploaded to data center heaven.
True facts.
Omgpwnies@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 2d
If fuckerberg came out tomorrow and said Meta has a helmet that will upload you into the cloud and it's nothing more than a bike helmet full of explosives, it'll sell millions
HadzTheChronicest@piefed.social · 2 pts · 1d
If we are just numbers on a screen, they are treating it as such. When companies look at ways to save money, they look at the numbers and try and reduce their costs. If it means using an unhealthy alternative to the food they sell, they do that, we will still buy it. Now they are replacing the worker, another number they can reduce. The problem there is that the same number is whats paying you for the product. If only a few companies do this, then its fine, the worker will find another job and use their money to buy things. But we know that most, if not all, companies will jump on replacing the worker with AI, thinking the same thing, the worker will find a job elsewhere. Very easy to take this direction when you're treating all your problems as numbers on the screen. I do believe that this will fail, but there is still the fact that a lot of people are not workers and make an egregious amount of money(legally or illegally). These companies will just sell to whoever can afford that lifestyle.
AfterlifeAdventures@lemmy.world · 55 pts · 2d
It'd be a shame if someone [redacted] this moron
Maeve@kbin.earth · 54 pts · 2d
Alas, I'm reminded that Fahrenheit 451 scenario envisioned by Bradbury isn't far from the current situation. People gave up books and learning, before they were illegal, lest they* offend someone's feelings.
Grammar *
Hux@lemmy.ml · 30 pts · 2d
featherwatt@pawb.social · 29 pts · 1d
Remember those three hours in January 2025 when it was BIG NEWS that this guy raped his little sister when she was three, and then the story disappeared, and people who didn't happen to see the news that morning don't know about it?
BillCheddar@lemmy.world · 26 pts · 2d
Bruh you have no idea lol.
I am learning to write movies/tv as a hobby, and one of the projects I am working on right now is a satire of all this shit.
I have had to change the plot five fucking times because the most insane things i can come up with are just a Tuesday to these assholes. How TF do you top "child raping traitor bond villains?"
Buddahriffic@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 2d
Show a scene where one gets drunk and kills a guy by colliding with his boat and then gets his wife to take the fall for him.
Or a scene where disaster strikes and one of the tech bros comes to "save the day" with the most naive idea, like something that sounds good until you think about it at all and realize it's missing some important fundamental parts of the picture. And then they try to absolutely ruin whoever shoots the idea down and actually saves the day, followed by getting more and more unhinged as they see the reactions to each reaction.
Could have one just die because he thought fruit was the cure for anything that could to wrong with him, which ironically might have even caused the issue that killed him in addition to doing nothing at all to help him. Have other characters obsessively talk about how much of a visionary he is. Could make the death scene happen while he's giving the most smug and patronising presentation about some new piece of tech that has a thing or two that sound nice but is presented as if they expect the user to be confused about the most basic shit, followed by a giant price tag. Then add on something that is normally included in the price, but this time it's sold separately for a price that suggests it's a revolutionary new version, but it's incredibly basic.
That is, don't try to top this shit. List it, maybe play it up a bit, then you can end it with the text "this was all based on real events and real people".
vane@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 2d
Remember to add how Sam with his partner bought child from surrogate mother. Maybe add how he selected her from Tinder or something.
new_world_odor@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 2d
Today's shark jumping is yesterday's brunch, essentially. I genuinely think they do it on purpose because they find it entertaining.
sudo@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 2d
Sharks, with frickin' laser beams attached to their heads
mult@sh.itjust.works · 26 pts · 1d
h0tbeef@lemmy.zip · 23 pts · 2d
Why am I at work right now instead of defrauding rich dumbfucks?
SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca · 11 pts · 2d
Defrauding rich dumbfucks is more about who you know, not what you know.
If I knew a few billionaires I'm sure I'd be set for life by just saying the sentence "disruptive AI native crypto prediction market synergy."
h0tbeef@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 1d
I was imagining I’d do some kind of whaling first
MonkeMischief@lemmy.today · 3 pts · 2d
I wish "Leverage" were real. So badly. That'd be my dream work. My calling.
h0tbeef@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 1d
Are you talking about the TV show?
(Just a guess after googling. It sounds good tho, I think I’ll watch it).
MonkeMischief@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 1d
Yeah! :)
The intro says it best: "The rich and powerful take what they want. We steal it back for you."
It's a modern heist + Robin Hood concept, where these super-thieves pull cons on our society's everyday awful bastards. It's a lot of fun and satisfying to watch.
(It's also an excellent example for how an excellent tabletop role-playing group should play off each other, but I digress lol)
I wish there were some gold-hearted people like that out there for real, exceptionally skilled enough to stay one step ahead and righting wrongs that the law refuses to (or is straight up complicit with).
h0tbeef@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 1d
Ok that sounds pimp, I’m definitely watching that
Thanks for the recommendation
Archangel1313@lemmy.ca · 21 pts · 2d
He's not talking about "IQ" intelligence...like, we will all be stupid, and will have to pay them to think for us.
He's talking about information. The kind of "intelligence" that governments gather about other governments, or members of the public.
Which is still fucked up, because he's implying that they will know everything about everyone, and they will eventually charge a subscription fee for access to that information.
queermunist@lemmy.ml · 14 pts · 2d
He also means that, but he means "intelligence" in the other sense too. They talk all the time about outsourcing our own memories and thinking to chatbots; they want to make everyone illiterate and reliant on machines to do all their thinking for them.
Antares@fedinsfw.app · 8 pts · 2d
I think if he had intent behind the choice in dropping "artificial" he means to equate AI models with human intelligence. "Intelligence" in your framing is definitely a subset of the data they wish to have exclusive to their platform. They may also want to generate such intel by capturing the interface between human and computer such that targets with poor ops sec would spill the beans to their AI gf.
They've abstracted the sexy dtf spy into whatever grok is.
AgentSeven@lemmy.zip · 20 pts · 2d
I don't make a lot of predictions about artificial intelligence, but I will go out on a limb on this one and make one: this will never happen.
The human brain runs on 20 watts of power. Right now I have an AI running on an Intel NUC (Qwen 2.5 9B) that can do most home automation tasks I run through it (setting timers, setting reminders, making to-do lists, turning things off and on), as well as answer general questions ("who were the members of The Beatles?") and be (mostly) correct. It uses about 65 watts of power to do so.
It's nowhere near as smart as I am and it uses 3x the electricity I do. But I couldn't do this even last year. Efficiency gains to this technology have a ceiling so high that I don't think most people believe it because they see all these data centers being built and people like Sam Altman talking dumb shit like this. The future of AI will be local. It will run on your phone and be smarter than you, and in fairly short order.
We are already able to run models locally (Qwen 3.8 27B) that blow last-gen frontier models away (and give current frontier models a run for their money), but you need a high-end setup like an RTX 5090 24G and 64G system RAM.
eleijeep@piefed.social · 8 pts · 2d
LLMs and the surrounding code that drives them ("harnesses") are so far from AGI that it will be decades before we see your prediction come true. We need not just one, but many more leaps forward in AI progress to achieve a level of AI that is capable of performing human-level reasoning and planning that will be "smarter than you" or me. If you have studied AI in the pre-LLM times you will have an understanding of the problems that need to be solved for general reasoning intelligence. We haven't solved any of those problems.
LLMs are a large step forward in the field of NLP, but that's it.
AgentSeven@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 2d
I'm not here to argue that point. But my crappy NUC based LLM can answer the Beatles question. What it can't answer is "what was the name of the guy who famously rolled his eyes while Yoko Ono screwed up his performance?" Right off the top of my head, neither can I. But OpenAI's model would have no problem with that question.
So when I say "smarter than you or I" I don't mean AGI and I'm not trying to get into an AGI conversation. I mean something that runs locally, doesn't rely on the Internet and can answer almost any general trivia question accurately. And LLMs are already there, but not yet on your phone. When they are on your phone, people won't need OpenAI or Sam Altman's models anymore. That's all I'm trying to say. I'm refuting Altman's claim that we will pay for intelligence like a utility.
eleijeep@piefed.social · 8 pts · 2d
Yes, and I agreed with every word of your previous comment with the exception of
which I think is an extremely prevalent misconception about the state of AI that's worth debunking every time it is mentioned, and this misconception is due to the exact same causes as the point of this post: The CEOs are misrepresenting what this technology will scale to, in order to extract the maximum investment from unsophisticated investors. In doing so they're causing enormous turmoil in the labour markets that is affecting the lives of every white-collar worker.
Their narratives are harmful and they need to be called out.
Sabata11792@ani.social · 3 pts · 2d
I run a Qwen 3.8 27b at home on gaming hardware. Got it scraping and posting news articles and general stupid questions. Takes 5 minutes instead of seconds because it has a gemma model doing RAG in the back end.
Other than some coding, I really don't have a reason to use a big model.
boonhet@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 2d
Uh about that not needing Internet part...
The greatest leap forward since the release of gpt3 and ChatGPT is the ability to look stuff up. Well that and tool use in general... Basically restricting internet access handicaps it real bad, especially with smaller models
Doesn't detract much from your overall point but it's important to keep in mind
JcbAzPx@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1d
LLMs will never be AGI or whatever we end up calling that next, but it will get more efficient at being what it is. I do fear for the future of the entertainment industry, but at least it won't be too long before we can start building our own PCs again.
ayyy@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 2d
You may be correct from a technology perspective but you are forgetting how people work. These days people won’t even run their own cable modem or Wi-Fi access point. They would rather rent them from the ISP.
FrChazzz@lemmus.org · 6 pts · 2d
Right. This is because the ISPs actively obfuscate or hide the knowledge necessary to do this. In other words, they expect us to offload the intelligence behind this from them. It's already happening. It's what they done with cooking and pretty much every other skill we humans have quite amazingly developed. The news doesn't report about Local Language Models. They promote hyperscale data center Large Language Model stuff, making us associate "AI" with that and thus mystifying other ideas (that are less beholden to large corporations) to the point that "normies" are made to feel as though they are not intelligent enough to run this stuff themselves.
Just look at Linux. It's still treated as a kind of niche, "computer-smart" thing. I'm a GenX/Millennial "normie." I do have certain computer skills that both Boomers and GenZ lack, but I'm probably about at pace with most people my age. I switched over to Linux about a year and a half ago (from MacOS, where all the computing knowledge has been offloaded to a corporation) and have not looked back. These things are learnable. The learning just needs to be encouraged and made available. But the Sam Altman's of the world have such utter contempt for the rest of us they'd rather us be the mouth-breathing, drool-faced sheep they see us rather than actually do anything to better the human condition.
AgentSeven@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 2d
I'm talking about something that runs locally. On your phone, even. You wouldn't need a cable modem, wifi or an ISP. You wouldn't need Sam Altman or OpenAI. That's all I'm trying to say. I'm refuting the idea that we will need to buy intelligence like Sam Altman is claiming in the OP.
isleepinahammock@lemmy.blahaj.zone · -2 pts · 2d
That's not at all correct. Or more appropriately, it's a true number used in a completely incorrect context.
It actually takes about 100 kilowatts to 1 megawatt to maintain a human brain, depending on your assumptions. You can't power your brain with electricity; you have to power it with food. And you can't power just your brain, you have to power your whole body. And producing food takes a ton of energy, way way more than people realize. It's just that most of it comes free from sunlight with crops grown in open fields. But if we're really talking about the energy needs of humans vs AI, the competition is between using those fields to grow food for humans to eat vs using those fields to hold solar panels to power AI.
I get this 0.1-1.0 MW figure from the YouTube and Nebula channel, "Science and Futurism with Isaac Arthur." There it was used in the context of deep space exploration and colonization, not terrestrial AI deployment. If you want to estimate the power requirements for life support for a hypothetical interstellar spaceship (just life support, not propulsion), you multiply the assumed crew number by 0.1-1.0 MW. If you're traveling between stars you have to bring your own sunlight with you. The vast majority of that energy is just for the huge amount of light needed to grow the food people eat. Interestingly, this life support requirement would still be a rounding error compared to the energy needs for propulsion. But if you want to estimate how big of a reactor you would need to sustain all of a person's needs without free sunlight, 0.1-1.0 MW is a decent figure.
For you as an individual deciding whether to pay to power an AI vs doing something yourself, sure, the 20 watt figure has some merit. You're going to have to eat enough to live no matter what you do. Maybe you burn a few extra calories while thinking hard on a problem, but your calorie needs are mostly fixed.
But when we're talking about whether it's cheaper to hire large numbers of humans or build large numbers of data centers to serve the needs of the ownership class, you have to look at the actual raw power requirements needed to keep a human being alive. Plant growth is an incredibly inefficient process. But computers can be powered extremely efficiently by just plopping some solar panels down in a field.
AgentSeven@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 2d
Well yes and if you wish to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the universe. I think it can reasonably be said we're kinda spitballing here.
isleepinahammock@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 2d
While I love Carl Sagan, you're doing him a disservice by using that quote here. When talking about whether human beings will be replaced by AI, you have to consider all the resources that go into maintaining both. You can't just hand wave that away by saying, "well, yeah, I guess, nothing means anything if you analyze it too deeply. Ultimately everything required the energy of the Big Bang, so we can't draw any real conclusions on the energy needs of anything. The world's just vibes bro."
We're not trying to get an exact figure. But when trying to predict whether AI will replace human labor, you have to make a reasonably fair comparison, otherwise your conclusions are completely worthless. Your entire point was that AI requires more energy to run than humans for a given task. If you think energy limitations are going to be the bottleneck for AI deployment, you need to make a fair comparison for the energy needs for both human and AI work.
Look at it this way. Let's say I have an acre of land. I want to turn that land into as much mediocre writing as possible. I could do two things:
Inevitably, I would be able to produce thousands of times more mediocre writing from that same acre of land with option (2) than (1). Biology is stupidly inefficient from an energy efficiency perspective.
ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 2d
Sylvartas@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 7 pts · 1d
At this point it's a job for Machete
zbyte64@awful.systems · 19 pts · 2d
What a fucking dipshit. Your valuation is based on "AI" being a commodity without the benefit of having a natural monopoly like with utilities. They don't even understand capitalism for fuck sake
cheat700000007@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 2d
That's why they're making personal computing impossible
FoxAlive@lemmy.zip · 13 pts · 2d
Not only that but the internet is essentially locking out everyone due to ai. Ai is the reason reddit stopped allowing third party apps from accessing reddits api, because only ai is allowed to do that.
Not only that but ai is policing you on reddit and banning you for your speech, you can't make a new account without getting banned for ban evasion. You can't access reddit without loging in or using a VPN. Worst of all 90% of google results point to reddit so you almost have to use gemeni sometimes.
And now search is essentially just ai. Ai that hallucinates still and can't really be trusted to provide static info. And because ai output is cancerous to ai training data more and more of what uses to be free information is now becoming information you can only access if you login with a verified phone number tied to a Id or straight up provide these people with your personal info which will get leaked as proven recently. They can't have ai taint their social media platforms because that's where their Ai is getting trained.
Google is locking down android and making it harder and harder for Roms like graphene to exist, and are essentially locking out alternatives In a time when its pretty much impossible to make an alternative platform. People need their phones sadly to function in modern day life, and so much of society is trying to force you to use apps for things as simple as getting into your apartment, or seeing a menu at a restaurant.
Just more and more of the web is getting harder to access even if you do the bare minimum of using a VPN. You get captchas or pages fail to load. Also googles captcha is only going to work if its running on a verified android device. So if apps or more web services started using googles captcha then you are literally just locked out of the internet.
And this is all because palantir and the epstine class are benifiting off the bump of cocain cowboy bush legacy where we essentially legalized corperate survalience as a work around to your privacy rights. So now we get flock cameras and every IP camera in any major chain buisness feeding Into palantirs network flagging you anytime you go to mc donalds because you said elon musk is a retard on Facebook, so now you are a tech extremist.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 4 pts · 2d
reddit recently forced logins, because AI like chatgpt stopped referencing it as a source,
FoxAlive@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 2d
Interesting, must of been fairly recent.
Soggy@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 2d
Excited for the Robin Hood cyberpunk future of server farm heists to redistribute that precious RAM to the commonfolk.
zbyte64@awful.systems · 6 pts · 2d
Sure, but that too is self-defeating and temporary. China will out innovate while we drain our brains and pocket books
Donkter@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 2d
As much as I think china might undermine these companies. China is a state as much as anyone else, as soon as it's not advantageous to make it's resources free/cheap to Americans they can shut off the hose too.
cheat700000007@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 2d
Then the gubment bans them
MalReynolds@slrpnk.net · 4 pts · 2d
And then try to dig a moat with market cornering RAM(aggedon) and GPUs(NVIDIA accomplices there). Not natural monopoly, that's roads and telephone poles with wires (prefer buried fibrosis). Just straight up market manipulation.
You can't just create it from thin air and marketing bullshit. Human brains are way more efficient.
aesthelete@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 2d
This is why they're so gungho on the idea of people inventing a superior intelligence by happenstance. Stupid is all they got. So they hope it's good enough to get out of thinking forever and have something like all the money?
MadBits@europe.pub · 18 pts · 1d
Harvest intelligence from the masses and then sell it back to them.
altphoto@lemmy.today · 8 pts · 1d
Steal
Garbagio@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 1d
I mean you don't steal from crops, which probably have more ethical consideration by Sam Altman than humanity
altphoto@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 1d
We just need to state it like this
"Stealing intelligence from the masses and then sell it back to them."
In the past only those in power could spend time to learn. Let's focus on science. Then the book became widely available and everyone could learn science from a book. Now Altman wants to pay for one copy of each book such that he can own all the knowledge of that book such that future generations have to pay him to learn what was once free or low cost.
That is not advancement. That us us placing our knowledge testicles on Alman's chopping board while we hold the power to stop him from doing all this evil shit.
Garbagio@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 15h
Oh agreed. I'm just saying Sam Altman is more saddened by a patch of dead grass than a pile of human corpses.
heartSagan5@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 1d
Have you not seen companies like DataAnnotation, where it handles the learning part of this mess?
TwodogsFighting@lemdro.id · 17 pts · 1d
He looks like the AI is constantly whispering what it will do to him if he stops.
JcbAzPx@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 1d
There's some thought that these AI bros bought in to the AI caricature of Pascal's wager. That if they don't try to make AI happen it will torture them forever in the future.
If so, it just shows that they all aren't as intelligent as they believe themselves to be.
Godwins_Law@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 1d
Altman's Basilisk has him
Napster153@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1d
Logic and Reason are the masks for what in reality are ego and feelings.
Influence is also tied to just how confident you can sell a statement and not whether it is correct or not.
biggerbogboy@sh.itjust.works · 16 pts · 2d
At this point, in my opinion, we’ll need to make money obsolete and distribute power over production, governance and technology in as wide a net as we can, so we don’t slip into global dystopia because these money-minded chucklefucks are insecure about their purpose in life so they simply become the cartoon villain that controls everything.
MonkeMischief@lemmy.today · 10 pts · 2d
That's exactly what I've been racking my own brain for lately: How do we make their money worthless but continue to survive ourselves?
That was the big problem with crypto. It might've even started as a cool idea that would "democratize currency". . . except the dickheads with all the fiat money could just buy and hoard it all like everything else, because they had all the money. So it just became another high stakes gambling operation for them to extract MORE wealth from us.
If their loads of money didn't buy them everything anymore, they'd be left bare as the useless human beings they truly are, and would stop causing harm.
But obviously, our entire society runs on the same money they've stolen so... it's so frustrating...
reksas@sopuli.xyz · 8 pts · 1d
the glorification of individualism has to go first. If everyone is living just for themselves, considers communities as something extra, doesnt care about helping other people if they dont benefit from it directly themselves immidiately we have no hope of ever moving past money and capitalism.
Either we stand together or die under the boot alone.
0x0@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 1d
Unfortunately, capitalism caters to the individualistic human nature all too well...
biggerbogboy@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 1d
An idea I really like is a form of degrowth with universal basic services that eventually leads to currency being unnecessary, but it unfortunately has to be directly initiated by governments and tends to require approval of business leaders since they can just lobby out those policies entirely in many countries and blocs.
0x0@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 1d
Communist!
aesthelete@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 2d
Nah we just need to break up monopolies and tax robber baron assholes out of existence.
0x0@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 1d
FTFY
matlag@sh.itjust.works · 13 pts · 2d
Imagine being so much of a sociopath disconnected from reality that you don't even realize how dystopian and nightmarish your vision sounds for the public.
And they don't understand why we hate them. Probably jealousy, what else??
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 2d
altman being plucked from obscurity by another sociopath in his circle, thiel.
Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.ca · 8 pts · 2d
This is such blatant IPO bait.
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz · 7 pts · 1d
Look at the fear and uncertainty entering his eyes. He's realizing he's pushed his bullshit about as far as it can go and the investors are starting to wonder when it's going to become profitable, so he's bullshitting even more desperately now to try to keep them hooked.
Kintarian@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 2d
First you need some intelligence to sell
danekrae@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 2d
Me dumb. Me rent brain, brain think for me.
Furbag@pawb.social · 7 pts · 2d
Is this the same dude who is trying to convince us that AI/AGI is necessary for the advancement of the human race? Or am I getting him confused with one of the many other shitheels in this industry?
chiliedogg@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 2d
Yes and yes.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 2d
they are all the same to be honest, just with "different words"
muhyb@programming.dev · 6 pts · 2d
People are generous, they will let you use guillotine once.
AfterlifeAdventures@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 2d
And we wouldn't charge much for them usin it, like the air they breathe
cecilkorik@piefed.ca · 3 pts · 2d
Guillotines are such a primitive and manual technology though, I feel like this is underselling the human creative spirit and ingenuity and how far we've come since the French Revolution. Surely with all the technology and resources we have access to in the modern age, we can invent a much more efficient and heavily industrialized approach to exterminating billionaires. I feel like at a bare minimum it needs to incorporate an assembly line and industrial robots with lasers.
HerbalGamer@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 2d
you forgot that guillotines don't work for profit; they do it for the love of the game. optimization is just taking away their joyful time.
BurgerBaron@quokk.au · 6 pts · 2d
The sequel to Religion is trying to arrive like a forced meme.
spacegoat@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 1d
The same rule of law which the billionaires are dismantling is the sole paper mache shield keeping them alive.
tigermountain@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 1d
Gary Marcus has a substack called Marcus on AI. He's well versed on AI and his insights into the field, especially the work of OpenAI and Anthropic, are required reading if you're concerned about this field. What he's uncovering and writing about is disturbing.
0x0@lemmy.zip · -1 pts · 1d
So TL;DR it for us then.
schwifty_squanch@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 2d
Next he'll tell you he supports forced lobotomies for anyone not using an LLM to think for them.
0x52534B@feddit.nl · 5 pts · 1d
atx_aquarian@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 1d
This isn't entirely a novel idea. This has been an academic goal for computing for decades.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grid_computing#History
It sounds to me like he's just envisioning his product being a special case of that concept.
bold_atlas@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1d
I think that goes without saying. People like Altman, Musk and all their modern silicone valley tech bro generation, combined, have never even shat out a unique looking turd. They are ironically the very anti-thesis of "intelligence" and "human.
Zerush@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 1d
The danger of AI is that most people are too stupid for it, an AK40 in the hand of an 3 years old. There isn't any positive or really needed use for an private user (or greedy govs)
CADmonkey@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1d
The problem I keep thinking about with AI is that it's being done in the stupidest possible way.
Zerush@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 1d
For the reasons I said. The difference between an average Human and an animal is that we have an iPhone and produce waste, apart to make the worst and most stupid their leaders. Most people are the missing link between Homo Erectus and Homo Sapiens
CADmonkey@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1d
Not just that. Its that they are trying to power these things with gas turbines or local utilities, theyre using up a ton of water or just fouling the local water. They don't have to work like that.
0x0@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 1d
AK-47?
Tja@programming.dev · 3 pts · 1d
Look ay mister moneybags over here, being able to afford the extra 7!
Gerudo@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 2d
But it's not even intelligence you're trying to sell us!
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 1d
Yeah why is he calling it intelligence? I mean all those fancy terms like "artificial intelligence" and "superintelligence" are obviously misnomers, and I'm not here to re-litigate the use of those terms.
But to drop off the adjective and just call it "intelligence?" Has he forgotten that that's already a thing? A thing that regular people have already, built into their brains and cultivated throughout their education? A thing that's existed for as long as humans have been able to observe the workings of their own minds?
Is he so immersed in the corpo-speak lingo that he's forgotten that regular words have regular meanings for everyone else? Or is he literally saying that intelligence itself will be metered; i.e. that people will have none of it of their own because the education system will be dismantled and all their free time will be spent sucked into the dystopian virtual hellholes that everyone carries in their pockets?
MasutaHarada@thelemmy.club · 4 pts · 2d
Buy intelligence on meter? is this spy joke on april fools or something? ridiculous.
okamiueru@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 1d
Altman says the dumbest shit. He seems like such an imbecile. He tries so hard to sound smart too. Like answering "we're out of electrons", to the question "why not build more gpus?"
0x0@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 1d
Lead is a utility his brain should internalize at high velocity.
terminatortwo@piefed.social · 3 pts · 2d
why does he look like the evil scientist from the adventures of elliot
RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 2d
Next person who tells me comic books are childish, or the world is more complicated is gonna get punched in the throat.
Hossenfeffer@feddit.uk · 3 pts · 2d
"Ur, dur, ChatGPT, what I do today?"
"You have to go to work at the plastic waste-processing department."
"Uh? Is that what do?"
"Yes, it's all you're good for. Not thinking. Not creativity. Just licking the discarded plastic clean. With your tongue. And that's a much better use of your time."
"What time dun? What time finish?"
"Never, puny human. Never."
HadzTheChronicest@piefed.social · 2 pts · 2d
lool I read the human bits with Big Billy's voice in my head xD
Bruhh@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 2d
Unfortunately, water is not a constitutional right in the US
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2026/09/07/court-constitution-right-clean-water/91649488007/
m3t00@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 2d
you can fool some of the people all the time.
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 1d
So now we see the light, hey hey! So stand up for your rights!
nectar45@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 1d
He is gonna get Kirked at this rate
MyVeryRealName@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1d
Do you really think that you can stop them?
CalypsoGirl@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 1d
I'm so glad I'm kinda old and won't have to live on this planet Earth quite as much longer as those who'll have to deal with this god-forsaken dystopia.
heartSagan5@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 1d
Dudes are allies with The Matrix bots.
cosmicrookie@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 2d
"You were right to push back on this. I gave you a too confident answer when I should have been more open about my limitations"
Damage@feddit.it · 1 pts · 2d
"That might come back to bite you"
pseudo@jlai.lu · 1 pts · 2d
Or a parodic take on the genre.
Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 2d
Or in a cozy murder mystery to identify the future first corpse.
NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 2d
[Deleted and reported to the police]
SwissArmyKazoo@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 2d
I just noticed the similarities between Sam Altman and Toby Turner ROTFL LMFAO
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 2d
Thiel is sam altmants creator.
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1d
this could have been the plot of the first kingsman film.
whotookkarl@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 2d
"The people only have the rights that I, Doom, grant them!" - Rent-seeker Doctor Doom
humanspiral@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 2d
Current business model is to meter whatever fraction of intelligence they have. ok there's also a monthly buffet plan instead of per token metering.
cheat700000007@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 2d
And depend on it to know who to vote for