Hard drives on backorder for two years as AI data centers trigger HDD shortage — delays forcing rapid transition to QLC SSDs
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/hdds/ai-triggers-hard-drive-shortage-amidst-dram-squeeze-enterprise-hard-drives-on-backorder-by-2-years-as-hyperscalers-switch-to-qlc-ssds
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yesman@lemmy.world · 202 pts · 315d
So, if the AI bubble pops, it'll be a great time to build a PC
Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world · 121 pts · 315d
Like there won't be some other hype to immediately take it's place. Just like Bitcoin GPU prices never collapsed because it went right into AI hype.
Feyd@programming.dev · 58 pts · 315d
The next hype lined up is quantum
realitista@lemmus.org · 59 pts · 315d
Fortunately they won't need most normal PC hardware for this. At least not CPU's and GPUs AFAIK.
Ludicrous0251@piefed.zip · 49 pts · 315d
"Quantum emulation" all the hype, 1/1000th the efficiency, 1000X the excuses to sell hardware
anomnom@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 314d
I was about to post this, but call it virtualized quantum.
It’ll probably just be LLMs claiming to have the same probability as a quantum calculator and just spit out made up primes so long we wont be able easily check them.
YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today · 12 pts · 315d
Tbf Bitcoin didn't fuck with the GPU market, that was more etherium's doing
Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world · 49 pts · 315d
Bitcoin trashed the GPU market before moving on to Asics. Then other coins kept going on GPUs.
T156@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 315d
Hadn't bitcoin not been viable on GPUs for over a decade? Most of the cryptocurrency hype was mining other coins on GPUs, or using them to do blockchain calculations for NFTs and things.
YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today · 3 pts · 315d
Til. I've only ever seen the application specific boards for Bitcoin.
Natanael@infosec.pub · 2 pts · 315d
That was barely a year or two. Bitcoin wasn't very popular globally speaking when the first ASICs already was in development, and in between the two there was FPGA mining
SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 315d
Which is even sadder because Ethereum has always been a trash coin.
percent@infosec.pub · 4 pts · 315d
Why? And which coins are good?
3abas@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 315d
Ethereum formally introduced the concept of smart contracts, and they had serious potential for modernizing financial contracts and push back an entire predatory industry of leechers, but instead it was used to create meme-coins and scam coins and ruined it all.
It's move to proof of stake instead of proof of work dramatically reduced its energy usage, and makes it a actually scalable, but the masses lost interest when they couldn't just make money off a few GPUs and turned to the aforementioned shit-coins built on the Ethereum network.
Ethereum is not bad, it's one of the better ones. It's just kind of responsible for the explosion of shit/scam coins, because people are shitty scammers.
Kushan@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 315d
The explosion of scam coins was basically inevitable, it's what you get with zero regulation.
Wispy2891@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 315d
The shitcoins were a thing also without ethereum, there was even a shitcoin generator website, pay 0.1 BTC (when it was worth like $100), upload your icon, choose the name, and download the compiled clients for mining that shit
cabillaud@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 315d
Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 315d
Most of the shit meme coins are on Solana.
InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 315d
Does Solana benefit from that?
BlastboomStrice@mander.xyz · 5 pts · 315d
Im seeing a pattern here (capitalism)
CosmoNova@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 315d
AI messed up GPU prices even before AI was really a thing. When everyone was caught up in the Bitcoin hype, Nvidia already focused completely on AI instead of banking on the crypto hype, neglecting consumer GPUs. And we still feel that today.
Pistcow@lemmy.world · 34 pts · 315d
*Home server farm.
Wispy2891@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 315d
There are a lot of "refurbished" drives from when the Chia bubble popped (a useless shitcoin that wasted HDD space with garbage data as a proof of cryptographic work)
calcopiritus@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 315d
Data storage devices are the last items you wanna buy second hand though. A drive failing could mean much more than just having to buy a new one.
Wispy2891@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 315d
HDDs used for chia mining or similar shitcoins have been used for just a full wipe to create the huge rainbow table or whatever the shitcoin needed and then left on idle with very little read activity for years
It's not the typical "end of life" server HDD with 80k hours of 24/7 full use
Wispy2891@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 315d
This makes me think: if chia and similar coins simply generated the monopoly money by "finding the right numbers on the right rainbow table" ... were they a covert way for some government to have a distributed decryption network? Especially thinking how popular it was in china
Natanael@infosec.pub · 3 pts · 315d
Not really. Wrong type of math, not practical to reuse to break cryptography. There's similar techniques that can be used against some algorithms, but not when set up like that.
a1studmuffin@aussie.zone · 2 pts · 315d
Used enterprise drives are amazing value though. With enough redundancy in a RAID array it's a great way to get storage in bulk.
shalafi@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 315d
When the AI bubble pops we'll all be too broke to buy any PC anything.
The Buffett Index, America's total stock valuation vs. GDP, is at 200%. It was around 130% in 1929, 2000 and 2007. Guess what? Chicken butts. (is what we'll all be eating)
SanctimoniousApe@lemmings.world · 13 pts · 315d
THIS is what I'm looking forward to. I'm guessing it'll start sometime next year, so shortly after Christmas '26 will be the optimal time -at least that's my long-term plan.
Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 315d
I thought similar during the GPU crypto mining phase. There's always something blocking cheap PCs.
someacnt@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 315d
Wish I could confidently say that it is going to pop soon, but I am not sure the current rebound is the bull trap. Maybe the correction was just a small blip in a huge bubble..
ButteryMonkey@piefed.social · 2 pts · 315d
Be a great time to set up RAID storage systems (or whatever I’m not that techie) mmmmmmm I cannot waaaaait to have something resembling a backup.
wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 315d
Required message that "raid is not a backup [solution]", it's an uptime and recovery system.
My primary server uses raid along with snapshots, full local backups, and off-site backups for critical data to two different cloud providers on different continents.
My second server backups images to the primary. My vps also backups to the primary. Both get the raid and snapshot treatment, and local, but not cloud. Gaming servers, boinc, and home assistant aren't 'critical' :p
probable_possum@leminal.space · 1 pts · 315d
Nope. China vs. Taiwan at the horizon. They really want that island back. It won't be good for world peace and really bad for EUV-lithography (TSMC).
China vs. Europe and China vs. US are topics, too. Hopefully limited to economic pressure.
There's always the second hand market...
Natanael@infosec.pub · 6 pts · 315d
The current mainland China gov never had any real claims to it. The argument they use is the same as for why they believe they have the right to enforce Chinese law on Chinese people abroad, including having their own secret police in other countries, etc, they simply don't accept being anything less than the sole authority and sole representative for everybody they consider to belong to any ethnicity which is "theirs". The claims on the island doesn't really have much to do with the island, but that it's populated with people they consider theirs.
sakuraba@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 314d
I'll pray for this outcome, I need something that can actually run Unreal(requirements) Engine 5 games
SW42@lemmy.world · 85 pts · 315d
Oh for fucks sake… I wanted to expand my NAS… Crypto was (is still responsible) for the shit state of the GPU Market and now it’s the next scam.
imetators@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 27 pts · 315d
Just got 12TB IronWolf last week for an average price if 260euro. Delivery is long but other than that, price is average.
Checked just right now - average 310euro for the same HDD. From the place I picked mine - 293. SCORE!
Thinking about this for a minute - that's probably pre-Black-Friday prices. We'll see
JGrffn@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 314d
Imagine how I feel right now, I bought 16 used 20tb Seagate drives around September last year for $200 each, from Amazon, and finally built my dream NAS after a decade of waiting and planning. I don't understand how I got so lucky but I did. They're all working just fine, and I somehow avoided having to wait another decade to finally build my NAS due to random capitalism gold rush bullshit. Praise be.
Batmorous@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 315d
Is IronWolf a website?
imetators@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 9 pts · 315d
No. It is a HDD model of a brandSeagate that is designed to be used in NAS and such.
ngdev@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 315d
i just bought an 8tb drive a couple weeks ago with zero issue
black_flag@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 76 pts · 315d
Fuck you, fuck you, fuck you, fuck you, fuck you, fuck you, fuck you, fuck you, fuck you, fuck you, fuck you, fuck you, fuck you, fuck you, fuck you, fuck you
Kissaki@feddit.org · 3 pts · 315d
But I bought only one HDD 😞
rafoix@lemmy.zip · 58 pts · 315d
What else are these data centers going to hoard?
Jobs, GPUs, water, hard drives
sefra1@lemmy.zip · 52 pts · 315d
Electricity
1Fuji2Taka3Nasubi@piefed.zip · 16 pts · 315d
Ironic Microsoft doesn’t have enough electricity to power their hoarded gpus.
AtariDump@lemmy.world · 27 pts · 315d
jubilationtcornpone@sh.itjust.works · 14 pts · 315d
Land.
DickFiasco@sh.itjust.works · 11 pts · 315d
Privacy
frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 315d
Jet engines.
roofuskit@lemmy.world · 57 pts · 315d
Remember a year or so ago when they all spun down production so they could charge more money for drives? I do.
LodeMike@lemmy.today · 51 pts · 315d
Oh this must be for
trainingstolen dataSanctimoniousApe@lemmings.world · 29 pts · 315d
When it all comes crashing down, at least the Internet Archive could have easy & cheap access to it all. I trust them to handle it more responsibly than the AI bros.
Eximius@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 315d
There is nothing short of non-fascistic government-forced bankcrupcy sell off that will actually make it cheap, so... I feel it is a pipe dream
axum@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 44 pts · 315d
First outrageous DDR5 RAM prices now ssd's.
Welp. Won't be upgrading my pc for the next few years I see
ReallyActuallyFrankenstein@lemmynsfw.com · 3 pts · 314d
DDR4 too, as they phase it out. I bought 2x32GB of DDR4 for my older system 8 months ago for $80. Now a deal for 32GB is $90-100.
village604@adultswim.fan · 2 pts · 314d
I need to get around to maxing out my DDR4 rig before those prices skyrocket too.
WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 314d
and hard drives too, right?
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 315d
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world · 42 pts · 315d
AI crap. Infesting everything. Search of all kinds, photo management, telephone menus, who knows what else. And it does none of it well.
mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 13 pts · 314d
I don’t have issues with local AIs, for things like searching your local immich instance, or controlling your local Home Assistant devices. That photo of a bird you took 3’ish years ago? Yeah, you can find it in like three seconds with a local AI search. Want to turn the lights on with a voice request? AI is one of the easiest ways for a layman to handle the language processing side of things. All of that is a drop in the ocean.
But corporations have been trying to cram it into everything, even when it’s not a good fit for what they want to do. And so far, their solution to making it fit hasn’t been to rethink their usage and consider whether or not it will actually improve a product. Instead, their approach has simply been to build more and bigger data centers, to throw increasing amounts of processing power at the problem.
The technology itself isn’t inherently harmful on the small scale. But it has followed the same pattern as climate change. Individual consumers are blamed for climate change, and are consistently urged to change their consumption habits… When it’s actually a handful of corporations producing the vast majority of greenhouse emissions. Even if every single person drastically changed their emission habits, it would barely make a dent in the overall production. It was all because of massive astroturfed PR campaigns to shift the blame away from those companies and onto individuals. And we’ve seen that same thing happen with AI, where individual users have been blamed for using AI, instead of the massive corporations.
WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today · 8 pts · 314d
Think of all the cheap hardware being resold when the AI bubble pops.
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 314d
There wasn’t as big of a price drop as I thought there would be when the crypto mining switched to ASIC from GPUs. Don’t know if all that hardware just got dumped or is sitting in a rack rotting somewhere. Hope that we get cheaper prices when the bubble pops, this artificial scarcity sucks.
Sturgist@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 314d
Not likely. Why would they give up money?
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 314d
Yeah. I know. Wishful thinking.
Sturgist@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 314d
Dare to dream ✊
Tja@programming.dev · 2 pts · 314d
Immich does photo management pretty well.
tomatolung@lemmy.world · -10 pts · 314d
I think your sentiment and the back end requirements of AI is a big downfall of it, as while your sentiment has validity in many public facing deployments of it there are some things it is actually succeeding at. I speak from experience having used it for several specific use cases which it excels at, but you and others probably don't have time nor care that this is true. And again marketing idiots out weight the deliberate approach that engineers and others might want, much less the economy might need.
JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca · 11 pts · 314d
Preaching down to folks who already have a good reason to hate your product is a good way to join that pile
tomatolung@lemmy.world · -13 pts · 314d
Having done my research, and tried it, I'm not an ignorant F*** as I read and engage at least. You just like being a troll.
JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 314d
Man go fuck yourself
Sturgist@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 314d
What's the over/under that they're a Libertarian?
JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 314d
Not worth the wager
Sturgist@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 314d
Was hoping to at least break even 😔
87Six@lemmy.zip · 9 pts · 314d
Uhuh
Like how my colleagues often come to me saying they fixed it with Cursor and when I check the UI where the bug was, the page doesn't even load at all now.
I just had someone tell me they did something with AI and when I checked they didn't even get right the very basic thing of coding around the right controller names. The fucking names were wrong. They didn't even check the feature, they just shipped, called it fixed, and told me Cursor figured it out really quickly.
I'm tired of this. I'm REALLY tired of this, man...
tomatolung@lemmy.world · -3 pts · 314d
I posted this as a perspective on AI that is not given by AI, nor by someone who believes it will stay this way, but nor am I promoting it. I believe it's more nuanced that just being crap, although it is taking over many things in life. I have used it, I know how to use it for good (keeping it private, local, and to help teach reasoning as well as do the thing that we need done (like dishes, bills, and other bullshit). I'm fully aware it's a bubble (14 billion to 1.4 trillion for OpenAI alone), dislike it and hate the energy waste. You all just seem to want to keep up the ignorant web user stereotype.
Have fun down voting something you don't really understand.
FunnyUsername@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 314d
literally no one is saying "we need to kill all pursuits of ai because it's bad at organizing my photos"
Sturgist@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 314d
The copium is hard with them innit?
apftwb@lemmy.world · 39 pts · 315d
RAID5, don't fail me now!
Evil_Shrubbery@thelemmy.club · 7 pts · 315d
As a PSA: depending on your needs (bcs I see a lot of simple homelabs RAIDing), consider second server or even second location simple snapshot backup vs same-machine duplication.
Like, which would you want to set up first depending on your specific risks profile.
The later is like like a proper backup, the former more of a low-downtime strat (that most smol homelabs can do without - "just wait a day, mom")
Eg as the most basic example - instead of local duplication you could have a small PC (even like some old Pi), big HDD, and rsync once a day.
(Ofc, with duplicated serves, finances permitting, you can also provide backup services which helps that downtime issue. And by finances I mean the rest of your server group stuff, which in my cases is mostly HDD cost anyways.)
apftwb@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 315d
Got it!*
*puts a Timeshift partition on the same RAID array
Evil_Shrubbery@thelemmy.club · 2 pts · 315d
Lol (but ppl do that).
solrize@lemmy.ml · 36 pts · 315d
Ram shortage too. But most users should avoid QLC.
cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de · 5 pts · 315d
About the only thing I would consider using QLC for is games since write speed doesn't matter and they can just be downloaded again if they get corrupted.
Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 33 pts · 315d
TL;DR
QLC drives have fewer write-cycles than TLC and if their data is not refreshed periodically (which their controllers will automatically do when powered) the data in them gets corrupted faster.
In other words, under heavy write usage they will last less time and at the other end when used for long term storage of data, they need to be powered much more frequently merelly to refresh the stored states (by reading and writting back the data).
So moving to QLC in cloud application comes with mid and long terms costs in terms of power usage and, more importantly, drive end-of-life and replacement.
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Quad Level Cell SSD technology stores 4 bits per cell - hence 16 levels - whilst TLC (Triple Level Cell) stores 3 bits - hence 8 levels - so the voltage difference between levels is half as much, and so is the margin between levels.
Everything deep down is analog, so the digital circuitry actually stores analog values on the cells at then reads them back and converts them to digital. When reading that analog value, the digital circuit has to decide to which digital value that analog value actual maps to, which it does by basically accepting any analog value within a certain range aroun the mathematically perfect value for that digital state.
(A simple example: in a 3.3V data line, when the I/O pin of a microcontroller reads the voltage it will decide for example that anything below 1.2V is a digital LOW (i.e. a zero), anything above 2.1V is a HIGH (a one) and anything in between is an erroneous value - i.e. no signal or a corrupted signal - this by the way is why if you make the line between a sender and a receiver digital chip too long, many meters, or change the signals in them too fast, hundreds of MHz+, without any special techniques to preserve signal integrity, the receiver will mainly read garbage)
So the more digital levels in a single cell the narrower the margin, the more likely that due to the natural decay over time of the stored signal or due cell damage from repeat writes, the analog value the digital circuitry reads from it be too far away from the stored digital level and be at best marked as erroneous or at worse be at a different level and thus yield a different digital value.
All this to say that QLC has less endurance (i.e. after fewer writes the damage to the cells from use causes that what is read is not the same value as what was written) and it also has less retention (i.e. if the cell is not powered, the signal decay will more quickly cause stored values to end up at a different level than when written).
Now, whilst for powered systems the retention problem is not much of an issue for cloud storage (when powered, the system automatically goes through each cell, reading its value and writting it back to refresh what's stored there back to the mathematically perfect analog value) with just a slightly higher consumption over time for data that's mainly read only (for flash memory, writting uses way more power than reading), the endurance problem is much worse for QLC because the cells will age twice as fast over TLC for data that is frequently written (wear-leveling exists to spreads this effect over all cells thus giving higher overall endurance, but wear-leveling is also in there for TLC so it does not improve the endurance of QLC).
PissingIntoTheWind@lemmy.world · 33 pts · 315d
This collapse when we only need 1/100 of what they are planning. Because not everyone is going to need a massive data center. Just like cars, computers and every other technology. It starts out diverse than shrinksssssssss.
Bababasti@feddit.org · 24 pts · 315d
Just thinking about all the electronic waste this is gonna generate is making me feel all icky
regedit@lemmy.zip · 8 pts · 315d
Now may not be a good time to tell you about the Windows 10 EoL that recently lapsed, then.
plyth@feddit.org · 4 pts · 315d
Think about all the HDDs that they will sell for cheap in 5 years.
Bababasti@feddit.org · 3 pts · 315d
That might be a silver lining, but I also see a high possibility of companies just throwing everything onto a big pile of garbage or shipping it to fuck knows where instead of dealing with the hassle of reselling their no longer needed assets.
bold_atlas@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 315d
Will they even by allowed by the contracts to resell them?
Kyuuketsuki@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 314d
I'm not really ever in the market for drives with forty thousand power on hours, are you?
plyth@feddit.org · 1 pts · 314d
I am no expert. What wears the drive down? Depending on the workloads the drives could be ok.
village604@adultswim.fan · 3 pts · 314d
The good thing about large businesses is that they don't typically throw hardware in the garbage, especially drives. They'll most likely either sell the wiped drives to a recycler/refurbisher, or donate them to a charity that does the same for the tax write-off.
This is one of the rare instances where being profit driven is helpful.
I worked in the surplus warehouse for a university, and all of their computer equipment went to a local prison with a program that has inmates refurbish them and gives them to schools in low income areas. The stuff that can't be refurbished gets recycled.
salacious_coaster@infosec.pub · 29 pts · 315d
I noticed the price doubled since the last time I ordered a drive, like a year ago.
PancakesCantKillMe@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 315d
Yah. Now is a good time to sit tight and wait if you can.
solrize@lemmy.ml · 18 pts · 315d
I haven't been following trends but I just looked on newegg, and HDD and SSD prices look about where they were before, or maybe a bit higher. It's nothing like the Chia craze where every drive of any kind was snapped up by crypto miners. Or the simliar thing further back where a flood in Thailand(?) clobbered a factory so there were big shortages and price spikes. Right now you can get drives if you're willing to pay for them. There just hasn't been the usual downward price trend.
CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works · 12 pts · 315d
I've been buying refurbished drives from ServerPartDeals and looking at my invoice from March versus now the price of the same drive has gone up 10% from $180 to $198 (Ultrastar HC530 14TB)
phx@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 314d
Keep in mind Black Friday is also coming, and a lot of vendors like to raise their prices a bit before so they can claim a sale on the day
tomalley8342@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 315d
Yep. I thought $100 for 8TB was expensive when I checked earlier this year and now the cheapest one is $140. Fuck 😂
CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 315d
$100 is actually a great deal. I had a bunch of shucked 8TB WD EasyStore in my media server previously, bought between 2018-2023, and I think the best deal I ever saw during that time was around that price. Around $12/TB was always my benchmark for a great deal on some drives.
shalafi@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 315d
I was going to say hurricane, but you're right, it was flooding in 2011.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 315d
Yeah, hurricanes aren't really a thing in that region, they have monsoons instead.
carrylex@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 314d
Note: Posted by the same media outlet that reported last week about the 9700X3D with zero fact checking
FundMECFS@anarchist.nexus · 13 pts · 314d
Why HDD’s?
I thought LLMs ran on a fuckload of VRAM and thats pretty much it. So the GPU market was the main affected?
LodeMike@lemmy.today · 11 pts · 314d
Stolen data
dan1101@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 314d
I assume RAID arrays for longer term storage.
NauticalNoodle@lemmy.ml · 13 pts · 315d
I've been waiting over a month for my MicroCenter to restock Western Digital 14-16 TB HDD to upgrade my NAS. I finally caved and ordered direct from Western Digital. It still took them 10 days to ship the order.
Seagate drives continue to remain in stock but i'd like to reduce my chances of premature drive failures.
Lumisal@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 315d
Not sure I trust WD after the whole lying label NAS thing, the wiped drive accident, and more.
NauticalNoodle@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 315d
those are interesting links. I just went off of backblaze reports for hdd failures, and it looked like Western Digital had some of the best results
Evil_Shrubbery@thelemmy.club · 4 pts · 315d
At some low-failure-rate point the risks of those 'couple of drives' you would own don't really mean much difference in irl probability of failure.
Def good info to avoid high-failure-rate drives tho.
HugeNerd@lemmy.ca · 10 pts · 314d
Ouch, I picked the wrong time to finally upgrade from my 12 year old laptop and Windows 7?
HertzDentalBar@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 7 pts · 314d
Just install Linux on it. My laptop is from 2011 and I've got bazzite on it and it's been great. That should atleast get you through the bubble
HugeNerd@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 314d
Yeah but it's a hardware issue that's beyond my caring to try and troubleshoot. Random blue screens, memtest86 shows an error always at the same address no matter which sodimms I put or swap them around. I guess it runs until software enters that address range and blam! I think it might be power supply related at the board level, not the power brick. I don't feel like changing capacitors at random, for all I know there might be voltage out of spec because a resistor value drifted.
tryp@programming.dev · 2 pts · 314d
If the memory error is in a small address range and you are willing to get super nerdy, you can tell the linux kernel to avoid the bad addresses. Some discussion in https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/740806/user-friendly-way-to-apply-badram-patterns
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 314d
yeah win7 is better than any later winproduct
InFerNo@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 314d
Depends, is your choice of OS windows 10?
altkey@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 314d
If so, you are fucked.
carrylex@lemmy.world · -4 pts · 314d
And what exactly has that to do with HDDs?
Eezyville@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 314d
OP is upgrading FROM 12 yr old hardware during a time where hardware prices prices are rising due to a shortage of some components because AI data centers are demanding them.
carrylex@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 314d
Ok but what has that to do with HDDs??? Every normal Laptop nowadays comes with an M2 SSD...
Eezyville@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 314d
It doesn't need to have anything to do with SSDs. The point is there is a hardware shortage of something that most computers have and laptop manufactures can use that as an excuse to raise prices. Also just because most laptops come with M.2 SSDs doesn't mean all of them would. There may be some that use 2.5" HDDs.
EDIT: After looking through the article this also affects SSDs.
Sturgist@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 314d
But...OP isn't upgrading their hardware....so they're still rocking that 12yr old lappy-m'tappy
carrylex@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 314d
anguo@piefed.ca · 6 pts · 315d
Damn, I started building a home server this summer, and I still need some HDDs for a NAS...
themachinestops@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 314d
This mainly effects NAND, HDD should not be affected.
anguo@piefed.ca · 1 pts · 314d
The QLC NAND shortage is created by the HDD shortage, per the article.
themachinestops@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 314d
Okay your right, just re-read it they are switching to QLC NAND. Honestly I personally think normal people should switch to used drive cheaper and in stock.
Unlike SSD, usage doesn't affect HDD that much. https://serverpartdeals.com/
anguo@piefed.ca · 1 pts · 314d
Yes, I'm definitely buying used, but suspect that prices will be affected there, too.
roserose56@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 314d
Yet people will scalp, buy more products and defend it by saying "but I need this". There used to be a time, where consumers would drive the industry, not anymore. And this leads to companies doing what ever they want.
People just accept for no reason.
Valmond@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 313d
My theory is that we're hitting that limit again, most people don't need more than a terabyte or two tops, so companies adapt.
Kind of shite being on the "need a bit more" side because I feel they'll do everything to bleed us dry. My 2022 4TB drive was less than 100€, today 3+ years later, it's 139€.
Reiea@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 315d
Makes me glad I built my nephew a country l computer last Christmas instead of this one.