Does anyone remember margarine? It’s mostly as good as any other butter, was historically much cheaper, and actually better in things like butter cream frosting (makes it lighter and fluffier).
My wife has developed an allergy to dairy in the last 5 years and all these alternative butters are ridiculously overpriced, but many of them seem to just be margarine with vegan butter branding Some of them like Miyokos are kinda terrible sometimes, or smell like fish oil when heated in a pan.
Is it rare where you're from? Here in Australia, I consider margarine the norm. To the point that if I say I'm having "vegemite and butter" or "jam and butter" on bread/toast, I expect people will know that I actually mean margarine, not butter. In any context other than baking, in fact, I'd expect "butter" to actually mean margarine.
I've been exclusively using margarine with butter aroma for years, that stuff is pretty good. Not sure if that aroma would trigger a dairy allergy or if it's actually vegan, though.
do you have a favorite brand of margarine for popcorn? we have a friend who recently became lactose intolerant and i still want to be able to make her good popcorn when she and hers are over.
Yeah, all of these dairy substitutes are different products and better for different applications. I think oat milk is actually better in coffee than cow's milk, for example. I wish people would talk about them this way. Most of the time people only say they're replacements for dairy, and they don't go into detail where different options are better/worse.
That's because cow butter in many cases has like 0 unsaturated fatty acids. In such cases it doesn't even come from cows, but they hydrogenate oil to make a cheap and unhealthy replacement.
And when you start looking at it from a chemical composition standpoint, they are very different things (and I'm no chemist).
I have nothing against margarine, used a lot of it in my life - it has it's uses, but it isn't butter, anymore than cream cheese is butter or margarine, though the three have similarities.
If you spend any time baking, all 3 have their use-cases, and can rarely sub for the other.
And when you start looking at it from a chemical composition standpoint, they are very different things
Eh, not really. I mean, maybe an actual chemist would disagree that this makes them quite similar, but the difference is basically one single bond becomes a double bond. To a lay person, at least, they appear chemically very similar.
So? I said that we used margarine in our house as a default. It worked perfectly for baking cake in the years we did it at home, you can saute things with it instead of butter, and it just works.
I don't care if it tastes different, it's better. Feel free to have your opinion.
And I prefer real margarine. Your point? We've had margarine in our home since I was born and it works just fine. Why do I need to acknowledge the tastes of others when I say mine, when no one has done it in the thread?
Did you write the same comment to the one right before me suggesting oat butter?
They lobbied and won against margarine back during WW2. It couldn't even be dyed yellow, you got a little packet of yellow dye to add to your white colored margarine at home. This lasted into the mid 1960s when they just started dying the margarine like butter.
Personally growing up on a dairy farm, I'm fine with making the distinction. Like you can't label food something that it's not. You can only call Scotch whisky Scotch only if it's made in Scotland. Same with cheeses and wines in Italy and France. It's a guarantee you are getting what you paid for, the real thing. And not some fake chemical concoction. It goes even so far as soap. Did you ever notice that Dove is called a beauty bar and not soap?
Go ahead and eat all the oat butter and drink all the oat milk you want if you like it. Oats are a pretty under used crop. The majority of it ends up as horse feed. Oats are a high food value food even for humans. I enjoy making oat bread. It's quick, simple, and tasty. Along side of a chili or soup, it makes for a hearty and nutritious meal.
I'm in favour of regulations against calling plant milk cow milk, but I'm against regulations against calling it milk. Look at coconut milk. If customers want cow milk, they can very well look at the label. But normal people just want milk and don't much care what it comes out of.
Imagine you go to an unfamiliar grocery store and get some milk. When you get home and try to make coffee, the milk looks and smells weird. You check the label, and find out you accidentally bought yak milk. It is in every sense of the word milk, it just came out of a yak. If you're a reasonable person, you'll learn your lesson to check what the milk comes from before buying it.
Yak milk or soy milk doesn't matter in my view. If you wanted cow milk, look for the word cow. If it's not there, don't assume it's cow milk.
Imagine going into a store and being in a hurry to buy milk and finding out it's oat milk at home and not the almond milk you wanted if everything is labeled "Malk"......Any nut or grain milk is already labeled as to what it is in big bold letters because there are different kinds. Redundant labeling is stupid at that point.
And while I've not had yak milk, I have had sheep and goat milks, they are fine to drink. And while I'm all for pasteurized milk for food safety reasons, I grew up on a dirt poor dairy farm. And we drank raw milk every day because we had free fresh milk all the time. I can tell you that it smells and tastes nothing like the pasteurized 1% or 2% milk that gets sold in the grocery store. I guarantee you would turn your nose up and run away.
Why would I ever be in a such a hurry to buy milk that I can't check what kind it is? I don't need milk to live. I only use milk in fun recipes, not everyday staples.
I’ve never heard of Japanese scotch. I’ve heard of Japanese whiskey, which I have a couple bottles of and they’re quite good, but they’re not scotch. Scotch has to be made in Scotland, otherwise it’s not scotch. I tried looking up “Japanese scotch” and didn’t find anything. Just Japanese whiskey.
No, Japanese scotch cannot not be legally labeled as Scotch no more than American made scotch can be legally labeled as such. They can be labeled as Malt whisky, The whisky needs to be aged and bottled in Scotland to legally be labeled Scotch anywhere in this world. Even a quick google would tell you that.
There's a silly, change-resistant part of me that feels instinctive outrage at this notion. Mostly I'm just curious. I wonder how it's made. Can you start with oat milk and make oat butter? Because it blew my mind when I accidentally whipped double cream so much that it started turning into butter.
To be fair to that barista, the translation of "oat milk" in French ("lait d'avoine") isn't obvious if you don't already know the word. Also keep in mind that the letter H is (almost) silent in french, so he probably thought that client just had a weird accent when they kept asking for "hawt milk"
Yeah but milk is lait, the guy is not dumb enough to think she was ordering some chaud milk by using both languages.
It’s either lait chaud or hot milk, or "hawt" milk in that case.
We struggle with the oa sound and some "arrr" sound (that’s what ended our pirate career). The worst English word for a French is probably "horror", it sounds like the name "Aurore" with a hot potato in the mouth, something like "Howwowr"
There's no freaking way a barista at an airport doesn't know vegetable milks exist. It might happen but damn that's rare nowadays. It takes them nothing to have some vegetable milk on the side, it lasts more so it's not like they might run into supply issues. Weird.
I think this might be a meme about how the french don't like anything that goes against their national values, which heavily relies on eating "proper" food, i.e. no oak milk garbage ... but i could be wrong here.
like how they refuse to speak any language but french
Again, you vastly overestimate our level of English as a nation. The h is a super common problem. And we still think people drinking lait d'avoine are some sort of radicalised weirdos.
Also TLS is a small airport, we don't do that sort of fancy stuff here.
Right, they're confusing Toulouse with a major hub, like Roissy. Some provincial airports are worse than others, but Toulouse is probably not the most cosmopolitan, even with all the aerospace stuff in the area.
As far as cooking with it, I mostly just add it to soup. I've not tried anything like baking with it, though. I imagine it'd work just as well, though. Usually for baking what you're really wanting is the dairy fat. And if oak milk is too thin for that, I can vouch for coconut cream.
I'll have to take a look at coconut cream. If I'm honest though, I'm not much of a baker. I'm going to try it in some soup though. I've got a mess of potatoes and it'll be soup time soonish.
I've been off dairy for so long that whenever I catch a whiff or taste of cow milk by oops it just seems so cheesy. Like no ty I do not want mozz in my tea lol
I'm pissed at that the word barista exists. In Spanish we have one word and we don't care if you are serving food at tables, beers behind the bar or coffees behind of another bar similar to the previous one.
It's not exactly the same as camarero, it's more focused on the coffee part. Same as we also have the word barman, which differs from camarero in that it normally refers to people who mix drinks and cocktails behind the bar.
I don't know if it is a language or cultural thing. This obsession in making distinctions for the sake of having them. I'm a fancy bartender so I'll call myself a barista, that's just bartender in Italian.
I call BULLSHIT! There is NO WAY that anyone who works in this field doesn’t know what oat milk is… keep trying to uproar your fan base but everyone on the PLANET knows what oat milk is…
You vastly overestimate the level of English of my compatriots. This is a 100% plausible mistake for the average English speaking French person.
Also unless it was a Starbucks or some really fancy coffee shop, we absolutely do not have oat milk as standard. And I've been to TLS, I don't recall that kind of coffee shop there.
I call bullshit too. Especially because I was at this exact airport a couple of weeks ago, and they specifically asked what kind of milk I wanted when I ordered a coffee.
When I was in the army, during one exercise a fellow NCO didn't have his blank-firing adapter on his rifle, as it's a bright yellow bulb on the end of your barrel. (It does two things, smashing the balsa-wood bullet of the blank and increases pressure in the barrel to enable properly function of the recharge even with the much lower powder-charge of the blank.)
So I looked closer, and he didn't have the safety catch on safe on his rifle. So I took it away from him — fast. And what you do to secure a gun is to remove the magazine and pull the bolt back to check if it's loaded. And it was. Sure, it's a "blank" with very low charge and balsa wood bullet, but it's still not safe.
My point being that this fucking töhö had been accepted in leader training and graduated from it in the Finnish military, when even the first minutes of any basic ass gun training should've prevented him from doing precisely what he did; pointing a loaded gun at someone.
So I can completely believe a Frenchman not knowing what oat milk is, no matter if he worked customer service in an international airport.
Completely agree! I’m a very basic know nothing food wise bitch, I’ve obviously never even had oat milk, or any milk that wasn’t just generic 1% or 2% to the best of my knowledge, and I know what oat milk is. If I was asked to buy it I’d have to read labels but I’m confident the store I shop at carries it and I could succeed in the mission. I’ve never had coffee that wasn’t just shit black drip coffee of whatever store brand grounds are cheapest and it wouldn’t throw me off, a barista has got to have way more exposure than my dumbass.
I never liked milk much (always tasted cheesy to me, except the raw stuff, that tastes like hay), then I became lactose intolerant. Most alt milks taste better to me, and oat milk is just better in coffee. Say what you will about America but at least I can get oat milk with my decaf at any real coffee shop. Some gas stations have milk alternatives too, but it's not as common.
Luckily the EU protected us from associating fake milk with the real good animal milk. He probably was confused because she didn't ask oat 'barista' or 'drink' /s
Personally, I agree with you. Oat milk just meshes remarkably well with the general flavor profile in coffee. It's thick, has the right general umame taste, and the texture is a lot less offensive than almond milk.
If I'm making a sweeter coffee, then I'll go for coconut. But oat is definitely superior in regards to complementary tastes. Dairy is versatile (and, IMHO, the only right way to make a properly foamy capuccino), but there's just something in oat milk that just makes coffee feel like a sturdy, rustic, wholesome drink instead of a delicacy.
The phrase "lingua franca" exists as a testament to just how willing and able everyone was to learn French for international communication, and I feel like it's not a huge ask for them to return the favor. It's an airport.
126 Comments
AppleTea@lemmy.zip · 92 pts · 262d
i had oat butter a while back, and suddenly I understood why all the dairy conglomerates are lobbying hard about the legal names
Zorque@lemmy.world · 68 pts · 262d
Because they stand to lose a shit ton of money?
AppleTea@lemmy.zip · 88 pts · 262d
yes
oat milk is an alright substitute, helped by being cheap
oat ice cream has a slightly different texture and flavor, though its harder to notice in the Ben & Jerry's
But oat butter is indistinguishable from cow butter
Asetru@feddit.org · 22 pts · 262d
It's twice as expensive here :(
DivineDev@piefed.social · 34 pts · 262d
Cow milk has economy of scale and subsidies on its side, milk alternatives would be cheaper given an equal playing field
reev@sh.itjust.works · 16 pts · 262d
And imagine if any of those subsidies hit the alternatives!
Feyd@programming.dev · 10 pts · 261d
That would be SOCIALISM
reev@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 261d
If there's one thing I hate it's when other people have their basic necessities fulfilled.
Anivia@feddit.org · 7 pts · 261d
Even then, oat milk could be sold cheaper than real milk. But they know their target customer is willing to pay a premium for a plant based product
nilloc@discuss.tchncs.de · 4 pts · 261d
Does anyone remember margarine? It’s mostly as good as any other butter, was historically much cheaper, and actually better in things like butter cream frosting (makes it lighter and fluffier).
My wife has developed an allergy to dairy in the last 5 years and all these alternative butters are ridiculously overpriced, but many of them seem to just be margarine with vegan butter branding Some of them like Miyokos are kinda terrible sometimes, or smell like fish oil when heated in a pan.
Zagorath@aussie.zone · 2 pts · 261d
Remember? Why would people forget about it?
Is it rare where you're from? Here in Australia, I consider margarine the norm. To the point that if I say I'm having "vegemite and butter" or "jam and butter" on bread/toast, I expect people will know that I actually mean margarine, not butter. In any context other than baking, in fact, I'd expect "butter" to actually mean margarine.
rumschlumpel@feddit.org · 2 pts · 261d
I've been exclusively using margarine with butter aroma for years, that stuff is pretty good. Not sure if that aroma would trigger a dairy allergy or if it's actually vegan, though.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 261d
do you have a favorite brand of margarine for popcorn? we have a friend who recently became lactose intolerant and i still want to be able to make her good popcorn when she and hers are over.
Niquarl@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 260d
I started buying that because it's half the price of butter and tastes okay but it's certainly not as nice as butter.
groet@feddit.org · 9 pts · 261d
Yeah which is 100% arbitrary pricing. Making oat milk yourself is like 0.02$ per liter. It is incredibly cheap.
Cethin@lemmy.zip · 7 pts · 261d
Yeah, all of these dairy substitutes are different products and better for different applications. I think oat milk is actually better in coffee than cow's milk, for example. I wish people would talk about them this way. Most of the time people only say they're replacements for dairy, and they don't go into detail where different options are better/worse.
commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 261d
for straight drinking, soylent is the best milk replacement. I dare say it's better than milk
zerofk@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 260d
But isn’t it green?
commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 260d
nope
Honytawk@feddit.nl · 1 pts · 260d
I rather have my soylent made out of real freerange people.
StaticFalconar@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 260d
You have shitty taste buds if you're actually being real and not a troll/bot for the oatmilk industry.
anzo@programming.dev · 1 pts · 259d
That's because cow butter in many cases has like 0 unsaturated fatty acids. In such cases it doesn't even come from cows, but they hydrogenate oil to make a cheap and unhealthy replacement.
fushuan@lemmy.blahaj.zone · -1 pts · 261d
Idk, we always used corn butter or margarine, it just tastes better. Not even from a veganism standpoint, it just better.
Onomatopoeia@lemmy.cafe · 6 pts · 261d
Margarine tastes nothing like butter.
And when you start looking at it from a chemical composition standpoint, they are very different things (and I'm no chemist).
I have nothing against margarine, used a lot of it in my life - it has it's uses, but it isn't butter, anymore than cream cheese is butter or margarine, though the three have similarities.
If you spend any time baking, all 3 have their use-cases, and can rarely sub for the other.
Zagorath@aussie.zone · 4 pts · 261d
Eh, not really. I mean, maybe an actual chemist would disagree that this makes them quite similar, but the difference is basically one single bond becomes a double bond. To a lay person, at least, they appear chemically very similar.
fushuan@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 261d
So? I said that we used margarine in our house as a default. It worked perfectly for baking cake in the years we did it at home, you can saute things with it instead of butter, and it just works.
I don't care if it tastes different, it's better. Feel free to have your opinion.
null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 6 pts · 261d
Whaat.
Of course you can have e your own opinion and preferences but surely you have to acknowledge that most people prefer real butter?
fushuan@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 4 pts · 261d
And I prefer real margarine. Your point? We've had margarine in our home since I was born and it works just fine. Why do I need to acknowledge the tastes of others when I say mine, when no one has done it in the thread?
Did you write the same comment to the one right before me suggesting oat butter?
Best_Jeanist@discuss.online · 1 pts · 261d
I've only had butter made from animals a handful of times. Nothing special.
yakko@feddit.uk · 23 pts · 262d
Where do they sell oat butter? I need to try that
AppleTea@lemmy.zip · 14 pts · 262d
seen it in Seattle
haven't seen it outside of there yet
yakko@feddit.uk · 7 pts · 262d
Typical lol
My hometown
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 261d
i'm in the san francisco bay area and it's in all of our grocery stores
thesystemisdown@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 261d
This is a little pricier brand, but good. There's a store finder in the menu.
https://www.miyokos.com/
yakko@feddit.uk · 3 pts · 261d
Baaa not in the UK. More's the pity. Looks good as hell though
Bluewing@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 261d
They lobbied and won against margarine back during WW2. It couldn't even be dyed yellow, you got a little packet of yellow dye to add to your white colored margarine at home. This lasted into the mid 1960s when they just started dying the margarine like butter.
Personally growing up on a dairy farm, I'm fine with making the distinction. Like you can't label food something that it's not. You can only call Scotch whisky Scotch only if it's made in Scotland. Same with cheeses and wines in Italy and France. It's a guarantee you are getting what you paid for, the real thing. And not some fake chemical concoction. It goes even so far as soap. Did you ever notice that Dove is called a beauty bar and not soap?
Go ahead and eat all the oat butter and drink all the oat milk you want if you like it. Oats are a pretty under used crop. The majority of it ends up as horse feed. Oats are a high food value food even for humans. I enjoy making oat bread. It's quick, simple, and tasty. Along side of a chili or soup, it makes for a hearty and nutritious meal.
Best_Jeanist@discuss.online · 8 pts · 261d
I'm in favour of regulations against calling plant milk cow milk, but I'm against regulations against calling it milk. Look at coconut milk. If customers want cow milk, they can very well look at the label. But normal people just want milk and don't much care what it comes out of.
rumschlumpel@feddit.org · 6 pts · 261d
IME people definitely have strong preferences for different kinds of milk. They just aren't as dumb as dairy lobbyists seem to think.
Bluewing@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 261d
You might be very surprised at how much people would care about what gets called milk when push comes to shove.
Best_Jeanist@discuss.online · 4 pts · 261d
Imagine you go to an unfamiliar grocery store and get some milk. When you get home and try to make coffee, the milk looks and smells weird. You check the label, and find out you accidentally bought yak milk. It is in every sense of the word milk, it just came out of a yak. If you're a reasonable person, you'll learn your lesson to check what the milk comes from before buying it.
Yak milk or soy milk doesn't matter in my view. If you wanted cow milk, look for the word cow. If it's not there, don't assume it's cow milk.
Bluewing@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 260d
Imagine going into a store and being in a hurry to buy milk and finding out it's oat milk at home and not the almond milk you wanted if everything is labeled "Malk"......Any nut or grain milk is already labeled as to what it is in big bold letters because there are different kinds. Redundant labeling is stupid at that point.
And while I've not had yak milk, I have had sheep and goat milks, they are fine to drink. And while I'm all for pasteurized milk for food safety reasons, I grew up on a dirt poor dairy farm. And we drank raw milk every day because we had free fresh milk all the time. I can tell you that it smells and tastes nothing like the pasteurized 1% or 2% milk that gets sold in the grocery store. I guarantee you would turn your nose up and run away.
Best_Jeanist@discuss.online · 1 pts · 260d
Why would I ever be in a such a hurry to buy milk that I can't check what kind it is? I don't need milk to live. I only use milk in fun recipes, not everyday staples.
Bluewing@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 260d
Well don't that make you special.
NoFun4You@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 261d
Japanese Scotch has entered the conversation
BurntWits@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 261d
I’ve never heard of Japanese scotch. I’ve heard of Japanese whiskey, which I have a couple bottles of and they’re quite good, but they’re not scotch. Scotch has to be made in Scotland, otherwise it’s not scotch. I tried looking up “Japanese scotch” and didn’t find anything. Just Japanese whiskey.
Bluewing@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 260d
No, Japanese scotch cannot not be legally labeled as Scotch no more than American made scotch can be legally labeled as such. They can be labeled as Malt whisky, The whisky needs to be aged and bottled in Scotland to legally be labeled Scotch anywhere in this world. Even a quick google would tell you that.
IronBird@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 262d
interesting, i replaced milk with oak milk (recently learned i'v been allergic to dairy this whole time) but had no replacement for butter
Onomatopoeia@lemmy.cafe · 5 pts · 261d
Oak milk?
Like a little sap in your milk? 😁
AnarchistArtificer@slrpnk.net · 4 pts · 261d
Oat butter is a thing that exists? That's wild.
There's a silly, change-resistant part of me that feels instinctive outrage at this notion. Mostly I'm just curious. I wonder how it's made. Can you start with oat milk and make oat butter? Because it blew my mind when I accidentally whipped double cream so much that it started turning into butter.
Ethalis@jlai.lu · 53 pts · 262d
To be fair to that barista, the translation of "oat milk" in French ("lait d'avoine") isn't obvious if you don't already know the word. Also keep in mind that the letter H is (almost) silent in french, so he probably thought that client just had a weird accent when they kept asking for "hawt milk"
bestagon@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 262d
Also hot is “chaud” in French which could sound like “oat”
Skunk@jlai.lu · 26 pts · 262d
Yeah but milk is lait, the guy is not dumb enough to think she was ordering some chaud milk by using both languages.
It’s either lait chaud or hot milk, or "hawt" milk in that case.
We struggle with the oa sound and some "arrr" sound (that’s what ended our pirate career). The worst English word for a French is probably "horror", it sounds like the name "Aurore" with a hot potato in the mouth, something like "Howwowr"
inlandempire@jlai.lu · 18 pts · 262d
Je suis pas d'accord, je pirate très bien encore aujourd'hui 🏴☠️
grrgyle@slrpnk.net · 42 pts · 261d
Small shops getting pissy about alt milks is my fav bait.
I bring oat milk in a pocket flask whenever I go to the local coffee shop for dates, which gets some looks, but needs must
nova_ad_vitum@lemmy.ca · 19 pts · 261d
It only counts if you pour the oat milk super slow while maintaining unflinching eye contact with the staff.
Lawnman23@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 261d
Stalinwolf@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 261d
Moisture farmin' all my life and not a drop spilt..
Agent641@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 261d
Take a swig straight from the flask and go "Ah, that's strong stuff"
fibojoly@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 261d
At least you have realistic expectations. Can't blame you for that!
fushuan@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 40 pts · 261d
There's no freaking way a barista at an airport doesn't know vegetable milks exist. It might happen but damn that's rare nowadays. It takes them nothing to have some vegetable milk on the side, it lasts more so it's not like they might run into supply issues. Weird.
nabladabla@sopuli.xyz · 14 pts · 261d
I've seen this image years ago. I don't know how old it was already at that point.
funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 261d
Aug 29 2022.
I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 261d
Practically a lifetime ago
Trainguyrom@reddthat.com · 2 pts · 261d
Only 3 years of 2 week global pandemic ago!
gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de · 5 pts · 261d
I think this might be a meme about how the french don't like anything that goes against their national values, which heavily relies on eating "proper" food, i.e. no oak milk garbage ... but i could be wrong here.
like how they refuse to speak any language but french
NoFun4You@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 261d
I like my cow milk thank you very much.
mika_mika@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 261d
You mean to say normal milk.
Honytawk@feddit.nl · 1 pts · 260d
What is unnatural about oats?
fibojoly@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 261d
Again, you vastly overestimate our level of English as a nation. The h is a super common problem. And we still think people drinking lait d'avoine are some sort of radicalised weirdos. Also TLS is a small airport, we don't do that sort of fancy stuff here.
AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 260d
Right, they're confusing Toulouse with a major hub, like Roissy. Some provincial airports are worse than others, but Toulouse is probably not the most cosmopolitan, even with all the aerospace stuff in the area.
ICCrawler@lemmy.world · 37 pts · 262d
Oat milk genuinely tastes better than regular milk to me, but it is not cheaper where I'm at.
BeMoreCareful@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 261d
Somebody with a milk allergy, or intolerance turned me on to oat milk.
For me, I like it better and it lasts longer in the fridge.
I haven't really tried cooking with it yet though.
ICCrawler@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 261d
As far as cooking with it, I mostly just add it to soup. I've not tried anything like baking with it, though. I imagine it'd work just as well, though. Usually for baking what you're really wanting is the dairy fat. And if oak milk is too thin for that, I can vouch for coconut cream.
BeMoreCareful@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 261d
I'll have to take a look at coconut cream. If I'm honest though, I'm not much of a baker. I'm going to try it in some soup though. I've got a mess of potatoes and it'll be soup time soonish.
radiouser@crazypeople.online · 3 pts · 260d
Works fine for mac and cheese (I made it last week)
grrgyle@slrpnk.net · 8 pts · 261d
I've been off dairy for so long that whenever I catch a whiff or taste of cow milk by oops it just seems so cheesy. Like no ty I do not want mozz in my tea lol
seitzer@piefed.social · 2 pts · 261d
Son_of_Macha@lemmy.cafe · 22 pts · 261d
Do Americans make this stuff up and really think Europeans don't know what Ost milk is. Bitch please
I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world · 28 pts · 261d
I mean, you're not helping your case here...
ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 19 pts · 261d
You don't listen to the Milk Official Soundtrack?
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 261d
it's a real banger
stray@pawb.social · 8 pts · 261d
In Sweden all the milk is ost milk.
Nasan@sopuli.xyz · 0 pts · 261d
Not just soy milk?
stray@pawb.social · 8 pts · 261d
Soy milk is illegal. You can have soy drink instead.
Obi@sopuli.xyz · 8 pts · 261d
I think this can only come from language barrier, oat milk in french is "lait d'avoine" which doesn't sound similar at all.
sigezayaq@startrek.website · 1 pts · 261d
Obi@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 260d
Yeah but folks know "milk", even if their english is shit, "oat" not so much.
klemptor@startrek.website · 7 pts · 261d
Are there no lactose intolerant Europeans?
Obi@sopuli.xyz · 5 pts · 261d
There are, as well as vegans, we all know about milk alternatives.
Zagorath@aussie.zone · 0 pts · 261d
As a lactose intolerant Australian, I just buy lactose-free normal milk.
quediuspayu@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 12 pts · 261d
I'm pissed at that the word barista exists. In Spanish we have one word and we don't care if you are serving food at tables, beers behind the bar or coffees behind of another bar similar to the previous one.
black0ut@pawb.social · 7 pts · 261d
We do have the word barista in spanish.
https://dle.rae.es/barista
It's not exactly the same as camarero, it's more focused on the coffee part. Same as we also have the word barman, which differs from camarero in that it normally refers to people who mix drinks and cocktails behind the bar.
https://dle.rae.es/barman
quediuspayu@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 261d
Sure we do, now from American influence. Try to find it in a dictionary from 10-15 years ago.
For barman, when was the last time you used it in a conversation? I've only heard it used by tourists.
Fleur_@lemmynsfw.com · 3 pts · 261d
But why tho
quediuspayu@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 261d
I'm not sure.
I don't know if it is a language or cultural thing. This obsession in making distinctions for the sake of having them. I'm a fancy bartender so I'll call myself a barista, that's just bartender in Italian.
spykee@lemmings.world · 12 pts · 261d
Aurghex!
J’en ai marre!
OUI ONLY AAVE NORMALE MILK, MADAME.
Lemming6969@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 261d
This is why it should be called plant juice... Juice comes from plants, not milk. Oat juice ffs
Ephera@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 260d
I'd argue that juice is a liquid you merely extract from a plant. If you try to squeeze the liquid out of oat, you get oatmeal at best...
Plurrbear@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 261d
I call BULLSHIT! There is NO WAY that anyone who works in this field doesn’t know what oat milk is… keep trying to uproar your fan base but everyone on the PLANET knows what oat milk is…
Tattorack@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 260d
I've lived in France for more than 6 years at ind point, and I can tell you that sometimes they'll just refuse to acknowledge English words.
Valmond@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 260d
Many does not speak english good enough to care.
Source: I live here
fibojoly@sh.itjust.works · 13 pts · 261d
You vastly overestimate the level of English of my compatriots. This is a 100% plausible mistake for the average English speaking French person.
Also unless it was a Starbucks or some really fancy coffee shop, we absolutely do not have oat milk as standard. And I've been to TLS, I don't recall that kind of coffee shop there.
Hadriscus@jlai.lu · 5 pts · 261d
In english, probably not. I had to look it up to know it's lait d'avoine
Muffi@programming.dev · 2 pts · 261d
I call bullshit too. Especially because I was at this exact airport a couple of weeks ago, and they specifically asked what kind of milk I wanted when I ordered a coffee.
Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 260d
There are often multiple places to buy coffee in airports.
Dasus@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 260d
And you should never underestimate stupidity.
When I was in the army, during one exercise a fellow NCO didn't have his blank-firing adapter on his rifle, as it's a bright yellow bulb on the end of your barrel. (It does two things, smashing the balsa-wood bullet of the blank and increases pressure in the barrel to enable properly function of the recharge even with the much lower powder-charge of the blank.)
So I looked closer, and he didn't have the safety catch on safe on his rifle. So I took it away from him — fast. And what you do to secure a gun is to remove the magazine and pull the bolt back to check if it's loaded. And it was. Sure, it's a "blank" with very low charge and balsa wood bullet, but it's still not safe.
My point being that this fucking töhö had been accepted in leader training and graduated from it in the Finnish military, when even the first minutes of any basic ass gun training should've prevented him from doing precisely what he did; pointing a loaded gun at someone.
So I can completely believe a Frenchman not knowing what oat milk is, no matter if he worked customer service in an international airport.
AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 260d
"We have milk, or... special milk" (waggles eyebrows)
"Uh, just milk please"
AoxoMoxoA@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 260d
Nah, fuck that
🗣GIVE ME OAT MILK !!!
Waraugh@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 261d
Completely agree! I’m a very basic know nothing food wise bitch, I’ve obviously never even had oat milk, or any milk that wasn’t just generic 1% or 2% to the best of my knowledge, and I know what oat milk is. If I was asked to buy it I’d have to read labels but I’m confident the store I shop at carries it and I could succeed in the mission. I’ve never had coffee that wasn’t just shit black drip coffee of whatever store brand grounds are cheapest and it wouldn’t throw me off, a barista has got to have way more exposure than my dumbass.
RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 260d
True. You do sound extremely French, basic know nothing food wise bitch.
greedytacothief@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 6 pts · 260d
I never liked milk much (always tasted cheesy to me, except the raw stuff, that tastes like hay), then I became lactose intolerant. Most alt milks taste better to me, and oat milk is just better in coffee. Say what you will about America but at least I can get oat milk with my decaf at any real coffee shop. Some gas stations have milk alternatives too, but it's not as common.
Hyperrealism@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 260d
Oat milk isn't rare outside the US. It's a bit harder to get in French coffee shops, but not that much.
This is just France being French. Especially because Toulouse is a small regional airport.
Fiery@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 260d
Luckily the EU protected us from associating fake milk with the real good animal milk. He probably was confused because she didn't ask oat 'barista' or 'drink' /s
GalacticGrapefruit@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 260d
Personally, I agree with you. Oat milk just meshes remarkably well with the general flavor profile in coffee. It's thick, has the right general umame taste, and the texture is a lot less offensive than almond milk.
If I'm making a sweeter coffee, then I'll go for coconut. But oat is definitely superior in regards to complementary tastes. Dairy is versatile (and, IMHO, the only right way to make a properly foamy capuccino), but there's just something in oat milk that just makes coffee feel like a sturdy, rustic, wholesome drink instead of a delicacy.
rapchee@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 261d
haha vegans are soooo stupid, amirite
Tattorack@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 260d
Yes.
Dasus@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 260d
trashgirlfriend@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 260d
Vegan bad le updoots to the left
xav@programming.dev · 2 pts · 262d
How peuple dare not speaking a foreign language perfectly ?
AppleTea@lemmy.zip · 9 pts · 262d
Lo siento, yo no parle vough fances
stray@pawb.social · 2 pts · 261d
https://youtube.com/shorts/Xe2MbMxuUuY
stray@pawb.social · 4 pts · 261d
The phrase "lingua franca" exists as a testament to just how willing and able everyone was to learn French for international communication, and I feel like it's not a huge ask for them to return the favor. It's an airport.
Niquarl@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 260d
It's actually not mostly based on French but a bunch of language see Wikipedia
Blackmist@feddit.uk · 1 pts · 261d
Gutted to learn I agree with the French on something.
But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 260d
Why are the French so touchy about their shitty food? Oooh I put a pound of butter on everything! Italy is right next door, take some lessons France!
Hyperrealism@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 260d
French cuisine may be somewhat overrated, but by no stretch of the imagination is it shitty.
And it's not as if the Italians are any better when it comes to being snobby about mediocre food.