I don't think I would. If it were a zero-sum game where I either have good reddit and no money, or modern reddit and a billion dollars, I'd probably take the money. But its not like spez was a broke man barely surviving paycheck to paycheck before he ruined it. I just don't understand the greed rich people have to constantly take more for themselves when they're already doing great.
Reddit was one of the most human places on the Internet, until King Steven the Turd decided that it's human interactions were a valuable resource that he could sell.
Now, it's all just bots talking to bots to learn how to sound human.
The engagement bots constantly peppering my comments with inane remarks to draw a reaction is what drove me to Lemmy. I was there early on, and it was awesome. As its popularity grew, it became less nice, but I still enjoyed going there. In the end, I didn't feel like commenting because I knew that I'd just get hit with stupid responses calculated to draw a response. It just felt harassing.
peppering my comments with inane remarks to draw a reaction
They're here, too.
I occasionally see comments to the effect of, "Oh, really? Can you tell me more about that?" That seem pretty likely to just be bots trying to generate data on certain topics for AI training. Thankfully, most people seem to ignore them.
That's a good book, not terribly deep but very much fun to read. I'm sure bots thinking they are human has been done several times. First show that comes to mind is Westworld, which is kind of centered around that idea.
Maybe in 2012. Once it started to be a right wing information warfare battlefield it got pretty insufferable. Like a lot of the niche content was still there, but the broader culture changed immensely.
Reddit was ruined for me a couple of years ago and AI wasn't involved. I no longer interact there but I do still read Reddit occasionally. Personally I find it difficult to wade through hundreds of one-liners without forgetting what the post was about.
I find the usefulness of a subreddit is inversely proportional to its size (popularity). There are still some good ones but they are quite small.
I had hoped Lemmy would fill this void for me but it’s still too small overall such that the smallest communities are barely active at all. Thus I tend to just scroll the feed of everything and see what catches my eye, admittedly a much less useful way to spend my time since I get sucked into ragebait instead of discussing cool hobbies.
Are you me? Because that's exactly what I've been doing. I set my default browse experience to Top 6 hour and then scroll All.
I do miss the community aspect of Reddit. There were other users who I ran into regularly in the comments. And usually not in a hostile way.
Hell, there was one sub where I was invited to the mod team because of those interactions. I did that for a couple years and continued to be active in the sub until Reddit start pissing off mods. That and my main "friend" on the mod team had his account nuked by Reddit after he fell for a troll.
Reddit removed every comment he had ever made, including wonderful and well cited rebuttals of the right-wing bigotry of the day.
So yeah, I logged out of that reddit account and have never logged back in, instead I use a burner account and try not comment on anything.
Could have been. Reddit never actually told us anything. One of the other mods got a private message on another channel (discord maybe?) from the missing mod about it. But details were light, and the missing mod never even tried to return to Reddit. Said the ban was good for his mental health.
Then there was some Subreddit specific drama, and Reddit admins actually did the good thing. Then the API change, the blackout, and a couple other things that specifically fucked over mods. So I too, mostly left.
I do indeed. I didn't actually have an account back then, because I was mostly browsing from work... I also mostly frequented Digg until the 4.0 fiasco.
Someone should write a Reddit client that automatically hides the top two comments and all their children, because they’re inevitably stupid jokes that add nothing.
Oh right. No one can make new Reddit clients anymore.
That one always rung a big hollow to me because of the timeframe of it. At the time he was made a mod there, invites didn't exist. Folks could just be added to subs- it was actually a method for trolling. At the time, I could add Steve to r/SteveLovesDiddlingKids, for example, and he'd have no say in it. They changed it to an invite system after a subreddit called r/CrabBucket heavily abused it to force folks to stay.
That said, one can quite readily say that spez implicitly supported the jailbait subreddit when he left it up for several years knowingly (Including it being a subheader for reddit on google searches, and it getting nominated for subreddit of the year along with several votes for it.) and only got rid of it when Anderson Cooper did a report on CNN about it.
On one hand yeah in that timeframe, on the other hand it's not like his homies weren't there. Further, subreddits came to exist in 2006, and people could make their own in 2008, so he had a year'ish of r/jailbait existing to do anything about it, and chose not to.
I don't especially want to be in the position of defending either spez or r/jailbait, but I was on Reddit at the time and I do think I should explain how 2008 was a different time on the web.
There had been a number of attempts to censor and age-gate the internet in the late 1990s and early 2000s. People involved in creating internet tech and building its culture were almost universally against anything that even smelled like censorship. Much of the early userbase migrated from Digg in response to Digg censoring a leaked DRM key. The only sitewide rule on Reddit was "don't break Reddit".
When r/jailbait finally did get banned in 2011 and Reddit's first content policy was imposed, that decision was unpopular among Redditors even though most thought sexualizing young teenagers was disgusting. It signaled a change to what Reddit was, and people rightly feared that it would lead to significantly more restrictions. Now I have to enforce a rule on r/flashlight that people can't sell flashlights designed to be attached to guns, and I don't want to make or enforce such a rule.
Oh, I've looked back. It's hard not to rubberneck at such a horrendous train wreck. Especially when I was just a passenger on that very train.
I left reddit during the great API massacre as well, then I went back to only be taken out by the great Trump massacre of '24 where they banned a huge chuck of the community that had any anti-trump sentiments in their profile history...because Trump threatened them.
Now I have been banned 6 more times, just by AI detecting language it doesn't like and its catalogue of dislike only continues to grow.
They pretend that humans are reviewing ban appeals, it is clear that they are not. The AI is banning more people than they could possibly keep up with. Now, more often than not, there is no reply to ban appeals whatsoever.
Spez is a spineless coward who threw the reddit community overboard a long time ago and continues to do so whenever it suits him. Reddit exists only to shit money for him now.
It has been left twisted and corrupted in favor of the conquest for money and controlling public opinion
I'll be back to fight the good fight just as soon as I can create a new account and switch VPNs
If there weren’t bots…Reddit would make its own bots. Reddit dances a fine line of allowing the population to be a certain proportion of bots because they increase real engagement by picking fights with its real users, as well as creating never-ending “content” for people to read and vote on. They only ban bots when real users notice they are bots - which is less and less frequently - even though Reddit has the tools and information to ban them long before that point.
Reddit could easy eliminate almost all of them, but that would be expensive and they’d lose real users as a result.
Letting gallowboob "moderate" the basically the whole front page was an insane decision. Some of those guys were selling product placement.
The centralization of power to few mods was always a problem, but smaller communities got by.
The huge quality drop came when Spez felt he missed the IPO wave around 2018 and decided to growth hack the site. Then they finally killed most of them too with the API drama.
Popular and moving away from hot to best was also bad. They horribly failed to discipline abuse from the_donald for years...
New reddit is still not even usable from a phone. It crashes frequently and i swaer to God it only shows like 8 posts and just fucking loops through them (how have thry not noticed this, I only check 4 subreddits and its unbearable).
Niche communities that simply don't exist on Lemmy. If your only hobbies are tech, lemmy probably covers all of your bases, but there are nearly no niche non-tech communities here.
Yeah. I help mod the Washington Capitals hockey team sub, and recently I looked through every other NHL team's sub, and we're the ONLY ones that post game day threads. And even with us, it's basically only one or two of us commenting on the games. Compare that to dozens or even hundreds of people commenting on every game in every team's reddit sub.
I tried to revitalize the sens community last year during the playoffs. I haven't been able to watch this season much because of crazy timezone differences enduring my vacation...
And regional communities. There's not nearly enough people in the fediverse to support city or state communities. And only the most populous countries.
They did exist before reddit as forums, however they where fragmented across different languages and websites. At some point Google started to show reddit more often, because it was more search engine optimized and mobile friendly. This means new users found reddit first, and old users where slowly pulled away from their forums into reddit.
There’s also fun bullshit communities that refuse to migrate too. I listen to some of them on YouTube as they read the stories from there while I work on other things or drive.
I tried creating a community here but never got others to post their show too.
Right now I don't have a reddit account and I just lurk there, but if I really wanted to talk about, say, a specific TV show I like, or a Movie, or Anime, or a Book... that would not exist on the fediverse. It's either just Reddit or maybe Discord.
If I wanna talk about stuff from a non-white perspective, the best place I'd really find my people outside the great firewall is Reddit.
I mean I the amount of Cantonese-speakers on Lemmy is like... single-digits
As long as people keep going to reddit instead of starting a post about the latest episode, or movie, book, etc. there will never be anything here for people to talk about.
Let's not blame AI for everything: Reddit had a lot of problems before AI became big. Repost bots are so common that you'll see the same posts over and over again. Some of those twitter screenshots must have been posted hundreds or thousands of times. OnlyFans spam also works without AI. And we have had those bots spamming the same stupid comments before people were even thinking about GPTs.
We can absolutely blame AI for everything. The reason AI took over Reddit is because Reddit fired their human moderators in favour of AI moderation. It’s basically a vicious circle of bots learning how to avoid being banned, and auto moderation learning how they’re avoiding being banned…repeat.
…the obvious problem being that bots are valuable to Reddit because they increase real engagement…if there weren’t bots, Reddit would make its own bots to do basically the same thing. Reddit only wants to restrict bots to a certain proportion of the population, rather than eliminate them.
Yes it did. Making up variation of the same story in order to farm upvotes used to be done by humans.
But the strategy of throwing shit at the wall and see what sticks has now been industrialized with AI, because the machine can produce tons of cheaper, faster, smellier shit.
Reddit and generally socials are basically the perfect application for AI. Unreliable results are not a bug but a feature. You have thousands of humans helpfully training it for free by up or downvoting the result. And the AI companies get a machine trained to persuade large groups of people of any made-up story.
Yep. It was headed downhill with the bots, reposts, karma farmers, hive-mind, troll farms, and of course the reddit c-suite "purging" the site of things like WPD, morbid reality, spacedicks (yeah, not subs for everyone, but noetheless...not hurting anyone), getting rid of Victoria, getting rid of mods and leaving petty power mongers and sycophants in place, and allowing shit like The_Donald and similar subs to run unchecked. The forced commercialization, crushing of protest and reddit app was the final straw.
Reddit ruined reddit for everyone. AI has nothing to do with it. Well except Reddit making a deal with google to sell everything on their for training AI. But again that is Reddit ruining Reddit.
Agreed. And this has taught us some things about communication. About how it works when it's hooked up with capitalism, government and/or the general population.
I personally think it works better without that stuff.
You mean those pictures all over the front page of kittens with a caption like "I found this guy in a shoebox, in the basement, hungry. I fed him and named him Mortimer." are not real?!?!
Reddit was the playground for ai slop long before commercial LLMs existed. Subredditsimulator was like 2014 or 2015 and people were fucking with markov chains and other shit that dated back to like the 90s or even 70s but that also had some people experimenting with rudimentary neural networks, though obviously none with the computing power of shit like chatgpt or gemini. And obviously that whole experiment was inspired in part by the fact that botted comments were becoming increasingly common and obvious on reddit in the years leading to it, so why not make a subreddit where everyone participating is a bot?
There’s no proof but openai researchers may have been fucking around on that sub. There was a fairly drastic increase in quality of posts in that sub around the time openai would’ve been making gpt1 (2018ish) and then they began aggressively scraping the entirety of reddit, quora, etc for content. Could just be a coincidence though and they’ll never confirm it even if it’s true bc redditors will flip shit
Honestly subreddit simulator was amazing. At that time I was super into text generation, I programmed a few basic Markov chains as well. It is a shame that modern generative AI sucked the joy out of what I considered a fun toy at the time.
I used to have a reddit account and truly enjoyed it - but I quit when it became obvious that most of the site is simply run by bots that aim to stir the pot and divide people. I still read various reddit posts - but there is no longer any real knowledge to be gained. Mostly, I now just experience frustration, mistrust, and disappointment.
I suppose it's the way of so many sites: Initially, they pursue some higher goal, which attracts users. Once people start participating en masse, the focus quickly shifts and it becomes all about making money - which is fine as long as there is a balance. They lose out once the scales tip too much in the direction of profit while the initial purpose becomes more of an afterthought.
Journalism once again demonstrating they are about 10-15 years behind on the times. Did they forget reddit completely broke back in 2016 when the_donald left the place in a permanent troll state.
I'm not going to read the article on account of time right now but I'm guessing it's written as if reddit was invented yesterday and the prior 20 years of reddit history is didn't happen.
It hasn't been human since the early 2010s. Reddit was botted to death long before LLMs.
Didn’t the owner of the_donald try to close it down himself, only to be told by the admins that he couldn’t because it brought too much traffic to the site? Or am I thinking of that KotakuInAction sub?
Yeah, I've noticed an uptic of AI generated content being posted outside the AI circle jerk subreddits. Places like the AoE4 and Bionicle subreddits have had quite a number of AI posts already.
Theyve become too courageous, with others going out of the way to defend the use of generative AI with weak arguments like "but cars also steal jobs".
The one subreddit that I've seen have a healthy response against AI generated content is the Bionicle subreddit. Doesn't really surprise me as the Bionicle community is full of creatives.
Here's the thing though, Reddit provided a lot of AI training data. Now AI content is ruining Reddit. This is like a large corporation making millions off cider and then destroying the orchard.
People who moderate subs should be called “hall monitors” or something. It’s rare to find moderators who are actually moderating with impartiality, rather that being petty and taking sides. They also have tools to exploit the Reddit auto-mod system.
I went on reddit yesterday just for a minute. Saw a post about some guy asking what he could do with a small hallway like space in his house (imagine a small walk in closet without the door). Almost every response I opened up was an AI generated image. That thread alone probably wasted a small swimming pool of water just cause some people couldn't be arsed to copy and paste a server rack.
For all the criticism of AI, this is the one that’s massively overstated.
On my PC, the task energy of a casual diffusion attempt (let’s say a dozen+ images in few batches) on a Flux-tier model is 300W * 240 seconds.
That’s 54 kilojoules.
…That’s less than microwaving leftovers, or a few folks browsing this Lemmy thread on laptops.
And cloud models like Nano Banana are more efficient than that, batching the heck out of generations on wider, more modern hardware, and more modern architectures, than my 3090 from 2020.
Look. There are a million reasons corporate AI is crap.
But its power consumption is a meme perpetuated by tech bros who want to convince the world scaling infinitely is the only way to advance it. That is a lie to get them money. And it is not the way research is headed.
Yes they are building too many data centers, and yes some in awful places, but that's part of the con. They don’t really need that, and making a few images is not burning someone’s water away.
I think that was part of Gamer Gate. The toxic rightwing backlash to women existing on the internet, and not in porn. It was the exact same time period.
I suppose it was around then yeah, I just remember being amazed at how fast the whole site turned on her, then I realized how easy it must be to astroturf reddit. It was under the guise of free speech, but the changes she made/were making were positive for the health of the site. The whole idea that free speech = I can say whatever the hell I want to at any time and you just have to accept it was/is bullshit, we live in a society dammit. /george
I hate that now there's even automated profiles managed by AIs which basically ragebait constantly on normal subreddits. And im not even talking about large ones. Heck this must be the worst psyop ever made in recent history
That shithole has been sanitized for advertisers, which means banning anyone who talks about resisting the fascist slide America is currently in but allows /r/conservative to exist for foreign actors to spread misinformation from.
Fuck Reddit, fuck Spez, those Nazi fucks will get what’s coming to them if we’re lucky.
I like to amuse myself on reddit. If my comment is getting downvoted I might delete it and repost it. Then it usually gets upvoted. It just shows the groupthink on reddit where you get "Oh, this got down/up voted, guess I'll do it too."
I thought the whole point of reddit was it was self moderating, downvotes slip from view but yeah after being banned for saying a word as offensive as Brexit and once again for saying a song title.
Yeah Reddit is garbage and the unneeded mods made it that way.
Oh My God, Who CARES!? I left Reddit for here awhile ago. The only reason I keep a single account there, is if they have a solution to a problem I have and have to look it up.
It were already infested with Capitalist slop, marketing and propaganda. It was an market religious, propagandized garbagedump for a long long time before AI.. The sooner that Capitalist brain-rot disappears the better.
'AI slop' is just an extension of normal 'Capitalist slop' - garbage that have zero purpose outside a market battlefield..
It's a noticeable recent change for the worse. It's hard to find anything interesting there anymore. Is just the same bot-reposted content. And number of the comments seem AI-generated too.
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notreallyhere@lemmy.world · 367 pts · 251d
aramis87@fedia.io · 121 pts · 251d
I beg to differ: spez has ruined reddit for everyone.
Pringles@sopuli.xyz · 45 pts · 251d
Not for himself, as he just joined the billionaire club. I would probably have ruined it for a billion as well, if I'm being completely honest.
Nelots@piefed.zip · 19 pts · 251d
I don't think I would. If it were a zero-sum game where I either have good reddit and no money, or modern reddit and a billion dollars, I'd probably take the money. But its not like spez was a broke man barely surviving paycheck to paycheck before he ruined it. I just don't understand the greed rich people have to constantly take more for themselves when they're already doing great.
ferrule@sh.itjust.works · 9 pts · 251d
because the thing they strive for is getting more. it's about status. they only give it away if it somehow nets them more wealth.
Daft_ish@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 251d
Enablers get payouts too, though.
eah@programming.dev · 2 pts · 250d
They're not competing with you or me in the conspicuous consumption game. They're competing with all the other rich people.
ronl2k@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 251d
Wait till those he sold it to find out that the membership numbers are full of people who have been permabanned and won't ever see their ads.
finitebanjo@piefed.world · 5 pts · 251d
BanMe@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 251d
That's when things started going off the rails yes. Remember Victoria and the good ol days?
BallShapedMan@lemmy.world · 41 pts · 251d
⭐
aeronmelon@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 251d
{lemmysilver}
jimmy90@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 251d
nah reddit is fine for loads of things
better than lemmy in fact but then it has FOUR orders of magnitude more active users
objectorientedposter@lemmy.zip · -4 pts · 251d
no; no; no; no; no; no; no; no; no; no; no; no;
dhork@lemmy.world · 272 pts · 251d
Reddit was one of the most human places on the Internet, until King Steven the Turd decided that it's human interactions were a valuable resource that he could sell.
Now, it's all just bots talking to bots to learn how to sound human.
N0t_5ure@lemmy.world · 101 pts · 251d
The engagement bots constantly peppering my comments with inane remarks to draw a reaction is what drove me to Lemmy. I was there early on, and it was awesome. As its popularity grew, it became less nice, but I still enjoyed going there. In the end, I didn't feel like commenting because I knew that I'd just get hit with stupid responses calculated to draw a response. It just felt harassing.
nulluser@lemmy.world · 42 pts · 251d
They're here, too.
I occasionally see comments to the effect of, "Oh, really? Can you tell me more about that?" That seem pretty likely to just be bots trying to generate data on certain topics for AI training. Thankfully, most people seem to ignore them.
Someonelol@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 70 pts · 251d
Fuck. Am I a bot?
VonReposti@feddit.dk · 36 pts · 251d
Oh, really? Can you tell me more about that?
count_duckula@discuss.tchncs.de · 13 pts · 251d
I've got news for you, mate. You might be a bot. Have you visited your neighbourhood robotologist to get a diagnosis?
PrimeMinisterKeyes@leminal.space · 8 pts · 251d
And maybe consider a robotomy.
nulluser@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 251d
I saw a pretty good short sci-fi film a year or so ago about a woman accidentally finding out that she's a bot.
Mozingo@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 251d
Bro you can't just say that and not mention the name. What was it?
bless@lemmy.ml · 10 pts · 251d
Here you go
https://youtu.be/4VrLQXR7mKU
Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 251d
Different book, but try We are legion (we are Bob)
matsdis@piefed.social · 3 pts · 251d
That's a good book, not terribly deep but very much fun to read. I'm sure bots thinking they are human has been done several times. First show that comes to mind is Westworld, which is kind of centered around that idea.
null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 251d
Bob only thinks hes human for about half a page?
nulluser@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 251d
I wish I could remember. It was definitely on YT. I think it was in German with subtitles. It wasn't long. Possibly was someone's film school project.
bless@lemmy.ml · 7 pts · 251d
Dutch actually
https://youtu.be/4VrLQXR7mKU :)
Hackworth@piefed.ca · -1 pts · 251d
Westworld
k0e3@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 249d
Whatever happened to that show?
criss_cross@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 251d
Beep boop fellow clanker.
WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 251d
Can I ask you a question?
DaMummy@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 250d
Wait, was that reply to me with a "Can you elaborate on that" comment a bot?
PissingIntoTheWind@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 250d
Digg 2.0 jumper in 2009. I always thought there would be a new Reddit after 2014. But it took 10 years for Lemmy to show up.
dublet@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 251d
a_non_monotonic_function@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 251d
No, there's a lot of human bigotry too.
socsa@piefed.social · 5 pts · 251d
Maybe in 2012. Once it started to be a right wing information warfare battlefield it got pretty insufferable. Like a lot of the niche content was still there, but the broader culture changed immensely.
aeternum@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 249d
Sarcasmo@piefed.social · 129 pts · 251d
Reddit was ruined for me a couple of years ago and AI wasn't involved. I no longer interact there but I do still read Reddit occasionally. Personally I find it difficult to wade through hundreds of one-liners without forgetting what the post was about.
finitebanjo@piefed.world · 67 pts · 251d
micka190@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 251d
Every sub I was active in has become one of two things:
chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world · 41 pts · 251d
I find the usefulness of a subreddit is inversely proportional to its size (popularity). There are still some good ones but they are quite small.
I had hoped Lemmy would fill this void for me but it’s still too small overall such that the smallest communities are barely active at all. Thus I tend to just scroll the feed of everything and see what catches my eye, admittedly a much less useful way to spend my time since I get sucked into ragebait instead of discussing cool hobbies.
chaogomu@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 251d
Are you me? Because that's exactly what I've been doing. I set my default browse experience to Top 6 hour and then scroll All.
I do miss the community aspect of Reddit. There were other users who I ran into regularly in the comments. And usually not in a hostile way.
Hell, there was one sub where I was invited to the mod team because of those interactions. I did that for a couple years and continued to be active in the sub until Reddit start pissing off mods. That and my main "friend" on the mod team had his account nuked by Reddit after he fell for a troll.
Reddit removed every comment he had ever made, including wonderful and well cited rebuttals of the right-wing bigotry of the day.
So yeah, I logged out of that reddit account and have never logged back in, instead I use a burner account and try not comment on anything.
Serinus@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 251d
Probably more of the motivation than the listed offense.
chaogomu@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 251d
Could have been. Reddit never actually told us anything. One of the other mods got a private message on another channel (discord maybe?) from the missing mod about it. But details were light, and the missing mod never even tried to return to Reddit. Said the ban was good for his mental health.
Then there was some Subreddit specific drama, and Reddit admins actually did the good thing. Then the API change, the blackout, and a couple other things that specifically fucked over mods. So I too, mostly left.
Serinus@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 251d
Remember r/reddit ?
chaogomu@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 251d
I do indeed. I didn't actually have an account back then, because I was mostly browsing from work... I also mostly frequented Digg until the 4.0 fiasco.
makyo@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 251d
Yeah if there was a niche Lemmy sub for everything I would no longer visit Reddit at all but I can’t get my Nightreign fix here sadly
nymnympseudonym@piefed.social · 9 pts · 251d
Redlib FTW
Edit: current fork
jjlinux@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 251d
That thing hasn't been maintained for almost 3 years.
BaconWrappedEnigma@lemmy.nz · 9 pts · 251d
There is a fork that usually works: https://github.com/redlib-org/redlib
jjlinux@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 251d
Nice. Thanks. I'll install it in a Proxmox LXC.
nymnympseudonym@piefed.social · 0 pts · 251d
TY my bad yes this is the one I use
Here is an instance that's up RN
https://lr.ptr.moe/
SharkAttak@kbin.melroy.org · 2 pts · 251d
Now AI is also ruining reddit users ruining reddit!
scarabic@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 251d
Someone should write a Reddit client that automatically hides the top two comments and all their children, because they’re inevitably stupid jokes that add nothing.
Oh right. No one can make new Reddit clients anymore.
Grass@sh.itjust.works · 101 pts · 251d
spez ruined reddit for everyone
PetteriPano@lemmy.world · 26 pts · 251d
What? What did the moderator of r/jailbait do now?
Stern@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 251d
That one always rung a big hollow to me because of the timeframe of it. At the time he was made a mod there, invites didn't exist. Folks could just be added to subs- it was actually a method for trolling. At the time, I could add Steve to r/SteveLovesDiddlingKids, for example, and he'd have no say in it. They changed it to an invite system after a subreddit called r/CrabBucket heavily abused it to force folks to stay.
That said, one can quite readily say that spez implicitly supported the jailbait subreddit when he left it up for several years knowingly (Including it being a subheader for reddit on google searches, and it getting nominated for subreddit of the year along with several votes for it.) and only got rid of it when Anderson Cooper did a report on CNN about it.
Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 251d
That's absolutely hilarious.
Zak@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 251d
spez did not work at reddit between 2009 and 2015.
Stern@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 250d
On one hand yeah in that timeframe, on the other hand it's not like his homies weren't there. Further, subreddits came to exist in 2006, and people could make their own in 2008, so he had a year'ish of r/jailbait existing to do anything about it, and chose not to.
Zak@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 250d
I don't especially want to be in the position of defending either spez or r/jailbait, but I was on Reddit at the time and I do think I should explain how 2008 was a different time on the web.
There had been a number of attempts to censor and age-gate the internet in the late 1990s and early 2000s. People involved in creating internet tech and building its culture were almost universally against anything that even smelled like censorship. Much of the early userbase migrated from Digg in response to Digg censoring a leaked DRM key. The only sitewide rule on Reddit was "don't break Reddit".
When r/jailbait finally did get banned in 2011 and Reddit's first content policy was imposed, that decision was unpopular among Redditors even though most thought sexualizing young teenagers was disgusting. It signaled a change to what Reddit was, and people rightly feared that it would lead to significantly more restrictions. Now I have to enforce a rule on r/flashlight that people can't sell flashlights designed to be attached to guns, and I don't want to make or enforce such a rule.
Psythik@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 251d
Creepy little shit.
pastermil@sh.itjust.works · 95 pts · 250d
No, Reddit ruined Reddit for everyone. The AI slops are simply what replace the people who left.
GreenShimada@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 250d
The day they got rid of reddit gold and started cash grabbing hard was the day the writing was on the wall.
LaunchesKayaks@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 250d
They got rid of gold?? When?? I left reddot and came to Lemmy in the third-party apps exodus and haven't even looked back
HappySkullsplitter@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 250d
Oh, I've looked back. It's hard not to rubberneck at such a horrendous train wreck. Especially when I was just a passenger on that very train.
I left reddit during the great API massacre as well, then I went back to only be taken out by the great Trump massacre of '24 where they banned a huge chuck of the community that had any anti-trump sentiments in their profile history...because Trump threatened them.
Now I have been banned 6 more times, just by AI detecting language it doesn't like and its catalogue of dislike only continues to grow.
They pretend that humans are reviewing ban appeals, it is clear that they are not. The AI is banning more people than they could possibly keep up with. Now, more often than not, there is no reply to ban appeals whatsoever.
Spez is a spineless coward who threw the reddit community overboard a long time ago and continues to do so whenever it suits him. Reddit exists only to shit money for him now.
It has been left twisted and corrupted in favor of the conquest for money and controlling public opinion
I'll be back to fight the good fight just as soon as I can create a new account and switch VPNs
edible_funk@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 250d
Wasn't spez the pedo sub moderator?
GreenShimada@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 249d
Ages ago - they tried to make it all these flairs and sparkles and whatever. Maybe it's back lately?
ibelieveinthehousehippo@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 250d
It was when they fired Victoria for me
barnaclebutt@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 250d
Yeah, also the people. The comment sections are cancer. Lame jokes from dickheads that don't add anything.
MyMindIsLikeAnOcean@piefed.world · 3 pts · 250d
This is key.
If there weren’t bots…Reddit would make its own bots. Reddit dances a fine line of allowing the population to be a certain proportion of bots because they increase real engagement by picking fights with its real users, as well as creating never-ending “content” for people to read and vote on. They only ban bots when real users notice they are bots - which is less and less frequently - even though Reddit has the tools and information to ban them long before that point.
Reddit could easy eliminate almost all of them, but that would be expensive and they’d lose real users as a result.
pastermil@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 250d
Exactly. This is like blaming rats and cockroaches for dirty town.
No, they won't be there (as much) in a cleaner town.
h3rmit@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 250d
Yeah, after reading the article, it was like, oh, so the same fake stories but actually grammar corrected?
Also, most people who sre like "i have this tells tl detect AI" would not know at all whether something is AI or not lol
LefterShark@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 83 pts · 251d
reddit already ruined reddit for everyone long before AI was a concern.
aceshigh@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 251d
I mean that’s why we’re here…
DSN9@lemmy.ml · 8 pts · 251d
People still use reddit, thought it was a bots only network
treesquid@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 251d
And yet it still had room to get worse, and it's still not even in its shittiest form.
TomMasz@lemmy.world · 71 pts · 251d
Reddit was ruined long ago, this just accelerates the decline.
panda_abyss@lemmy.ca · 21 pts · 251d
Letting gallowboob "moderate" the basically the whole front page was an insane decision. Some of those guys were selling product placement.
The centralization of power to few mods was always a problem, but smaller communities got by.
The huge quality drop came when Spez felt he missed the IPO wave around 2018 and decided to growth hack the site. Then they finally killed most of them too with the API drama.
Popular and moving away from hot to best was also bad. They horribly failed to discipline abuse from the_donald for years...
New reddit is still not even usable from a phone. It crashes frequently and i swaer to God it only shows like 8 posts and just fucking loops through them (how have thry not noticed this, I only check 4 subreddits and its unbearable).
Hadriscus@jlai.lu · 7 pts · 251d
The dysfunction of the mobile website is most likely on purpose, to drive users towards the dedicated program
Korhaka@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 251d
Which I can't even (be bothered to) install as it sends you to the play store. Which doesn't exist on Amazon fire tablets.
SirMaple__@lemmy.ca · 64 pts · 251d
Joelk111@lemmy.world · 43 pts · 251d
Niche communities that simply don't exist on Lemmy. If your only hobbies are tech, lemmy probably covers all of your bases, but there are nearly no niche non-tech communities here.
kent_eh@lemmy.ca · 29 pts · 251d
And if they do exist, there are 4 subscribers and zero posts in the last 6 months.
limelight79@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 251d
Yeah. I help mod the Washington Capitals hockey team sub, and recently I looked through every other NHL team's sub, and we're the ONLY ones that post game day threads. And even with us, it's basically only one or two of us commenting on the games. Compare that to dozens or even hundreds of people commenting on every game in every team's reddit sub.
k0e3@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 249d
I tried to revitalize the sens community last year during the playoffs. I haven't been able to watch this season much because of crazy timezone differences enduring my vacation...
limelight79@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 249d
Yeah. Maybe I'll see if I can get the gdt bot working again...
frongt@lemmy.zip · 14 pts · 251d
And regional communities. There's not nearly enough people in the fediverse to support city or state communities. And only the most populous countries.
TheBat@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 251d
GenosseFlosse@feddit.org · 11 pts · 251d
They did exist before reddit as forums, however they where fragmented across different languages and websites. At some point Google started to show reddit more often, because it was more search engine optimized and mobile friendly. This means new users found reddit first, and old users where slowly pulled away from their forums into reddit.
Zirconium@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 251d
r/kitchenconfidential
Joelk111@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 251d
Yeah. I'm not saying I like it or that it's how it should be. It's just how it is. I basically go to reddit last these days.
Cosmonauticus@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 251d
Can't lie I miss r/sneakers. As an avid collector I miss the engagement
muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 251d
There’s also fun bullshit communities that refuse to migrate too. I listen to some of them on YouTube as they read the stories from there while I work on other things or drive.
I tried creating a community here but never got others to post their show too.
Korhaka@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 251d
Some are pretty limited even in reddit too
DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 251d
Right now I don't have a reddit account and I just lurk there, but if I really wanted to talk about, say, a specific TV show I like, or a Movie, or Anime, or a Book... that would not exist on the fediverse. It's either just Reddit or maybe Discord.
If I wanna talk about stuff from a non-white perspective, the best place I'd really find my people outside the great firewall is Reddit.
I mean I the amount of Cantonese-speakers on Lemmy is like... single-digits
sengokuFrance@lemmy.kya.moe · 5 pts · 251d
As long as people keep going to reddit instead of starting a post about the latest episode, or movie, book, etc. there will never be anything here for people to talk about.
null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 0 pts · 251d
I use redlib to lurk.
I find the drama subs like /r/AITAH entertaining. I know its all fake, but the groupthink responses are intriguing.
JensSpahnpasta@feddit.org · 58 pts · 251d
Let's not blame AI for everything: Reddit had a lot of problems before AI became big. Repost bots are so common that you'll see the same posts over and over again. Some of those twitter screenshots must have been posted hundreds or thousands of times. OnlyFans spam also works without AI. And we have had those bots spamming the same stupid comments before people were even thinking about GPTs.
lepinkainen@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 251d
Repost bots should be built in to Reddit tbh
Just take whatever was the top 5 a year ago and repost it at the same time
Karma guaranteed
nert@lemmy.zip · 9 pts · 251d
5 years? I see the same reposted on a daily basis. One guy was reposting his own rainwater drain video, different angle every week.
null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 251d
Lately there's been someone chopping chives every day and posting a photo of the result.
There was a bit of a drama when someone noticed that the same photo was reused from a couple of weeks back.
The poster said they didnt have time to do it that day but wanted to keep the streak so they just re-posted an old one hoping no one would notice.
It was just such an amazing and engaging sequence of events and I feel fulfilled having been able to follow this roller coaster of emotion /s.
nert@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 250d
Oh yeah the one that ended up getting corporate sponsors.
tynansdtm@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 251d
While I agree being shitty is a human problem, shitty people are using AI to be shitty faster.
MyMindIsLikeAnOcean@piefed.world · 2 pts · 250d
We can absolutely blame AI for everything. The reason AI took over Reddit is because Reddit fired their human moderators in favour of AI moderation. It’s basically a vicious circle of bots learning how to avoid being banned, and auto moderation learning how they’re avoiding being banned…repeat.
…the obvious problem being that bots are valuable to Reddit because they increase real engagement…if there weren’t bots, Reddit would make its own bots to do basically the same thing. Reddit only wants to restrict bots to a certain proportion of the population, rather than eliminate them.
deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz · 49 pts · 251d
Yeah, that happened way before the current AI slop bubble.
andallthat@lemmy.world · 25 pts · 251d
Yes it did. Making up variation of the same story in order to farm upvotes used to be done by humans.
But the strategy of throwing shit at the wall and see what sticks has now been industrialized with AI, because the machine can produce tons of cheaper, faster, smellier shit.
Reddit and generally socials are basically the perfect application for AI. Unreliable results are not a bug but a feature. You have thousands of humans helpfully training it for free by up or downvoting the result. And the AI companies get a machine trained to persuade large groups of people of any made-up story.
GenosseFlosse@feddit.org · 4 pts · 250d
Don't need ai for that. Before AI, bots would simply copy top post from a year ago to farm up votes, and then sell the account to marketers.
boolean_sledgehammer@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 250d
The AI slop is just extra piss in a lake full of piss.
ccunning@lemmy.world · 43 pts · 251d
What, did /u/spez change his name to /u/AI_Slop?
_stranger_@lemmy.world · 43 pts · 251d
Reddit's founder and investors killed reddit, the method they used is immaterial.
falseWhite@lemmy.world · 43 pts · 250d
YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today · 9 pts · 250d
Also the turtle fucker that is a mod everywhere. I'm so curious how they make money being a shitty person.
victorz@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 250d
Yeah AI had nothing to do with it. Ruined waaay before AI took hold. That's why I left.
The UI was becoming unusable, the policies were unreasonable, the greed got to them, etc, etc.
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 250d
Yep. It was headed downhill with the bots, reposts, karma farmers, hive-mind, troll farms, and of course the reddit c-suite "purging" the site of things like WPD, morbid reality, spacedicks (yeah, not subs for everyone, but noetheless...not hurting anyone), getting rid of Victoria, getting rid of mods and leaving petty power mongers and sycophants in place, and allowing shit like The_Donald and similar subs to run unchecked. The forced commercialization, crushing of protest and reddit app was the final straw.
MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world · 41 pts · 251d
Fuck Reddit and Fuck Spez.
TheBat@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 251d
Blackmist@feddit.uk · 40 pts · 251d
Reddit already ruined Reddit. The AI slop is just the broken glass in the turd.
NewNewAugustEast@lemmy.zip · 37 pts · 250d
Reddit ruined reddit for everyone. AI has nothing to do with it. Well except Reddit making a deal with google to sell everything on their for training AI. But again that is Reddit ruining Reddit.
presoak@lazysoci.al · 3 pts · 250d
Agreed. And this has taught us some things about communication. About how it works when it's hooked up with capitalism, government and/or the general population.
I personally think it works better without that stuff.
nosuchanon@lemmy.world · 37 pts · 251d
Reddit was the good place after the fall of Digg 2.0. Now Reddit has become the bad place.
cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone · 33 pts · 251d
spez is ruining reddit for everyone.
and venture capitalists.
ReallyActuallyFrankenstein@lemmynsfw.com · 12 pts · 251d
Yeah, but did you hear? Spez is a billionaire now! The last step of the business model! Great job everyone!
Strider@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 251d
And not only reddit, but the internet as a whole.
tym@lemmy.world · 31 pts · 249d
emb@lemmy.world · 29 pts · 251d
Yes. But, to perhaps a lower extent, this headline is also true if you change 'Reddit' to 'the internet'.
tidderuuf@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 251d
Yup very true. Even parts of Lemmy are showing brain rot, some instances are trying to limit to actual humans but there are ways around it.
Sciaphobia@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 251d
Or "most things" even.
atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 251d
The World Wide Web, the Internet is the physical network and servers upon which many software stacks run including the Web.
ristoril_zip@lemmy.zip · 24 pts · 251d
oh no
coolmojo@lemmy.world · 24 pts · 251d
Anyway.
jali67@lemmy.zip · 23 pts · 251d
AI slop is ruining everything *
wulrus@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 251d
I'm reading AI content there, and when I post, I'm getting accused of being a bot / using an LLM. Fantastic.
poopkins@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 251d
My personal favorite accusation is that "I write too perfectly." Thanks, I guess? Maybe the models were trained on me?
mirshafie@europe.pub · 9 pts · 251d
Books. The models were trained on books. And it's terrifying that 90% of people think you're not real if you use a semicolon correctly.
kreskin@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 250d
I mean its fair, no one uses semicolons -- except for you evidently.
IronBird@lemmy.world · -3 pts · 251d
you should feel ashamed but not for resembling an AI...
there is no reason to ever use a semicolon
Flisty@mstdn.social · 2 pts · 250d
@IronBird @mirshafie did you use a comma where you should have used a semicolon there on purpose
IronBird@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 250d
semicolons do not exist, they can't hurt you
IndridCold@lemmy.ca · 19 pts · 251d
You mean those pictures all over the front page of kittens with a caption like "I found this guy in a shoebox, in the basement, hungry. I fed him and named him Mortimer." are not real?!?!
Regrettable_incident@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 251d
No, really it was a large slug. And TBF Mortimer is a great name for a slug.
Asfalttikyntaja@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 250d
My God! You ruined my world.
_cryptagion@anarchist.nexus · 19 pts · 251d
peaceful_world_view@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 251d
Fuck reddit
kent_eh@lemmy.ca · 19 pts · 251d
It's ruining far more than reddit.
ragebutt@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 18 pts · 251d
Reddit was the playground for ai slop long before commercial LLMs existed. Subredditsimulator was like 2014 or 2015 and people were fucking with markov chains and other shit that dated back to like the 90s or even 70s but that also had some people experimenting with rudimentary neural networks, though obviously none with the computing power of shit like chatgpt or gemini. And obviously that whole experiment was inspired in part by the fact that botted comments were becoming increasingly common and obvious on reddit in the years leading to it, so why not make a subreddit where everyone participating is a bot?
There’s no proof but openai researchers may have been fucking around on that sub. There was a fairly drastic increase in quality of posts in that sub around the time openai would’ve been making gpt1 (2018ish) and then they began aggressively scraping the entirety of reddit, quora, etc for content. Could just be a coincidence though and they’ll never confirm it even if it’s true bc redditors will flip shit
Scrollone@feddit.it · 9 pts · 251d
Damn I had forgot about subredditsimulator. It felt like AI was stupid and funny, and look where we are now
AlolanYoda@mander.xyz · 7 pts · 250d
Honestly subreddit simulator was amazing. At that time I was super into text generation, I programmed a few basic Markov chains as well. It is a shame that modern generative AI sucked the joy out of what I considered a fun toy at the time.
Korhaka@sopuli.xyz · 5 pts · 251d
Why would they care? People still on reddit don't seem likely to leave
WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today · 17 pts · 251d
Good...GOOD
Framptonian@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 250d
I used to have a reddit account and truly enjoyed it - but I quit when it became obvious that most of the site is simply run by bots that aim to stir the pot and divide people. I still read various reddit posts - but there is no longer any real knowledge to be gained. Mostly, I now just experience frustration, mistrust, and disappointment.
a9249@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 250d
Framptonian@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 249d
I suppose it's the way of so many sites: Initially, they pursue some higher goal, which attracts users. Once people start participating en masse, the focus quickly shifts and it becomes all about making money - which is fine as long as there is a balance. They lose out once the scales tip too much in the direction of profit while the initial purpose becomes more of an afterthought.
OctopusNemeses@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 251d
Journalism once again demonstrating they are about 10-15 years behind on the times. Did they forget reddit completely broke back in 2016 when the_donald left the place in a permanent troll state.
I'm not going to read the article on account of time right now but I'm guessing it's written as if reddit was invented yesterday and the prior 20 years of reddit history is didn't happen.
It hasn't been human since the early 2010s. Reddit was botted to death long before LLMs.
pleaseletmein@lemmy.zip · 7 pts · 251d
Didn’t the owner of the_donald try to close it down himself, only to be told by the admins that he couldn’t because it brought too much traffic to the site? Or am I thinking of that KotakuInAction sub?
Blackfeathr@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 251d
I regret wasting all those years trying to fight back all the bots I flagged on that hot garbage platform.
But I'm grateful that I gained skills on how to identify an LLM bot from a mile away.
Now that they're starting to creep in Lemmy, I'm prepared.
glowie@infosec.pub · 6 pts · 251d
You’re absolutely right
JustKeepStretching@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 251d
nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 15 pts · 251d
imagine ruining reddit
Tattorack@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 250d
Yeah, I've noticed an uptic of AI generated content being posted outside the AI circle jerk subreddits. Places like the AoE4 and Bionicle subreddits have had quite a number of AI posts already.
Theyve become too courageous, with others going out of the way to defend the use of generative AI with weak arguments like "but cars also steal jobs".
The one subreddit that I've seen have a healthy response against AI generated content is the Bionicle subreddit. Doesn't really surprise me as the Bionicle community is full of creatives.
pulsey@feddit.org · 4 pts · 250d
"stealing jobs" is a weak argument itself, that can always happen with new technology.
The real argument is that people create something uncreative and unthoughtful and therefore slop. AI doesnt make uncreative people creative.
watson@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 251d
Not for me! I left that place years ago…
fodor@lemmy.zip · 14 pts · 251d
Is? It's done already. But the bots got there years ago, so who really cares about now.
abbiistabbii@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 14 pts · 251d
Here's the thing though, Reddit provided a lot of AI training data. Now AI content is ruining Reddit. This is like a large corporation making millions off cider and then destroying the orchard.
MyMindIsLikeAnOcean@piefed.world · 14 pts · 250d
Let’s be real…Reddit itself is moderated by AI.
People who moderate subs should be called “hall monitors” or something. It’s rare to find moderators who are actually moderating with impartiality, rather that being petty and taking sides. They also have tools to exploit the Reddit auto-mod system.
It was enshitified ages ago.
forkDestroyer@infosec.pub · 6 pts · 250d
There's no point in taking moderation seriously. It's a volunteer position and the tools to handle slop aren't there.
I hear they're bringing back digg.
I also hear it's a former Reddit C-suite that's bringing it back, so it'll probably be more of the same.
Microtonal_Banana@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 249d
y0kai@anarchist.nexus · 13 pts · 251d
lmfao no, corporate greed and "shareholder value" is ruining both AI and reddit (and pretty much everything else) for everyone.
bluesheep@sh.itjust.works · 13 pts · 251d
I went on reddit yesterday just for a minute. Saw a post about some guy asking what he could do with a small hallway like space in his house (imagine a small walk in closet without the door). Almost every response I opened up was an AI generated image. That thread alone probably wasted a small swimming pool of water just cause some people couldn't be arsed to copy and paste a server rack.
brucethemoose@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 251d
For all the criticism of AI, this is the one that’s massively overstated.
On my PC, the task energy of a casual diffusion attempt (let’s say a dozen+ images in few batches) on a Flux-tier model is 300W * 240 seconds.
That’s 54 kilojoules.
…That’s less than microwaving leftovers, or a few folks browsing this Lemmy thread on laptops.
And cloud models like Nano Banana are more efficient than that, batching the heck out of generations on wider, more modern hardware, and more modern architectures, than my 3090 from 2020.
Look. There are a million reasons corporate AI is crap.
But its power consumption is a meme perpetuated by tech bros who want to convince the world scaling infinitely is the only way to advance it. That is a lie to get them money. And it is not the way research is headed.
Yes they are building too many data centers, and yes some in awful places, but that's part of the con. They don’t really need that, and making a few images is not burning someone’s water away.
motor_spirit@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 251d
Gobbel2000@programming.dev · 12 pts · 251d
Nope, can't ruin it for me because I have left this cursed place.
jjlinux@lemmy.zip · 11 pts · 251d
Reddit has been ruined for a while now, this is just it getting worse.
etherphon@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 251d
Yeah right I remember the good old wholesome days of jailbait.
chaogomu@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 251d
Oddly, that was Spez, and when he went away for a bit, Reddit got really good. And then he came back and it went to shit.
etherphon@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 251d
Right I remember how Reddit ran Ellen Pao off as if she was the wicked witch of the west.
chaogomu@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 251d
I think that was part of Gamer Gate. The toxic rightwing backlash to women existing on the internet, and not in porn. It was the exact same time period.
etherphon@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 251d
I suppose it was around then yeah, I just remember being amazed at how fast the whole site turned on her, then I realized how easy it must be to astroturf reddit. It was under the guise of free speech, but the changes she made/were making were positive for the health of the site. The whole idea that free speech = I can say whatever the hell I want to at any time and you just have to accept it was/is bullshit, we live in a society dammit. /george
WanderWisley@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 251d
Reddit is now Facebook 2.0.
Rhoeri@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 250d
It’s ruining everthing it touches. Reddit is far from the only victim of that garbage.
Minimac@lemmy.ml · 10 pts · 250d
Lemmy way better than Reddit
BuckenBerry@lemmy.ml · 9 pts · 250d
That's mostly a result of obscurity.
87Six@lemmy.zip · 12 pts · 250d
Doesn't make it any less better. It sucks that the second something becomes mainstream, it gets sloppified imediatelly. Look at Reddit, Discord...
ekZepp@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 250d
True and true.
super_user_do@feddit.it · 9 pts · 250d
I hate that now there's even automated profiles managed by AIs which basically ragebait constantly on normal subreddits. And im not even talking about large ones. Heck this must be the worst psyop ever made in recent history
finitebanjo@piefed.world · 8 pts · 251d
notgivingmynametoamachine@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 249d
Nazi sympathizing has already ruined Reddit.
That shithole has been sanitized for advertisers, which means banning anyone who talks about resisting the fascist slide America is currently in but allows /r/conservative to exist for foreign actors to spread misinformation from.
Fuck Reddit, fuck Spez, those Nazi fucks will get what’s coming to them if we’re lucky.
DeICEAmerica@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 251d
Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 251d
Everyone? Lol. Was this written by an idiot that still uses Reddit as their main outlet?
Mr_Dr_Oink@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 250d
Did spez change his name to AI?
SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 251d
I like to amuse myself on reddit. If my comment is getting downvoted I might delete it and repost it. Then it usually gets upvoted. It just shows the groupthink on reddit where you get "Oh, this got down/up voted, guess I'll do it too."
heyWhatsay@slrpnk.net · 7 pts · 251d
Just pouring gas on the existing dumpster fire
cygnus@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 251d
Default subs were already heavily astroturfed garbage. Smaller subs still generally fly under the radar, for now at least.
Az_1@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 251d
ekZepp@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 250d
Teknikal@eviltoast.org · 5 pts · 251d
I thought the whole point of reddit was it was self moderating, downvotes slip from view but yeah after being banned for saying a word as offensive as Brexit and once again for saying a song title.
Yeah Reddit is garbage and the unneeded mods made it that way.
GarbadgeGoober@feddit.org · 5 pts · 251d
I am thankful for reddit becoming a mess and Trump made me ditch american companies anyway.
Otherwise I never would have discovered Lemmy.
Alpha71@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 251d
Oh My God, Who CARES!? I left Reddit for here awhile ago. The only reason I keep a single account there, is if they have a solution to a problem I have and have to look it up.
tea@lemmy.today · 12 pts · 251d
You don't need an account for that, really. I haven't logged into Reddit since the API enshitification wave.
nomy@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 251d
Same, came over during the first API fuckery wave and haven’t gone back at all. I might not have much but I have principles, fuck em.
bbb@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 251d
https://archive.is/8N8lS
Sims@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 251d
It were already infested with Capitalist slop, marketing and propaganda. It was an market religious, propagandized garbagedump for a long long time before AI.. The sooner that Capitalist brain-rot disappears the better.
'AI slop' is just an extension of normal 'Capitalist slop' - garbage that have zero purpose outside a market battlefield..
CosmoNova@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 251d
Angry Anakin (Reddit): „You turned them against me!“
Obi-Wan: „You managed to do that yourself.“
m3t00@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 250d
can't they block accounts? fedi spoils us
Sunflier@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 250d
They'll just make new ones
1hitsong@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 251d
...and nothing of importance was lost.
DylanMc6@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 251d
all clankers should be segregated from society
Sibshops@lemmy.myserv.one · 3 pts · 251d
It's a noticeable recent change for the worse. It's hard to find anything interesting there anymore. Is just the same bot-reposted content. And number of the comments seem AI-generated too.
Shanmugha@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 250d
*was considered. Probably
kokesh@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 251d
Dick reddit. And Spaz in particular.
Usernameblankface@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 251d
Even the advertisers?
HugeNerd@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 250d
Good, do Fark next.