Remembering to look for and ignore folks with that telltale indicator has made the fediverse so much more enjoyable.
9/10 times, there's your problem right there...
Remembering to look for and ignore folks with that telltale indicator has made the fediverse so much more enjoyable.
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man_wtfhappenedtoyou@lemmy.world · 120 pts · 245d
You know what's funny is .ml was one of the first instances I signed up for. I thought it stood for machine learning or something to do with programming.
socsa@piefed.social · 52 pts · 245d
I knew it was a leftist instance. I went into it (naively) excited to engage with a more thoughtful leftist internet space, considering it was a bunch of reddit exiles who were upset about heavy handed Reddit censorship. I was quite disappointed to learn quickly that it was just more of the same tankie brain rot, with more of the same tankie censorship you can find in a thousand different tedious places.
Even then I stuck with it for a bit. And then I learned that the head admin was potentially the most fragile person on the Internet, who literally will not post outside his own instance because he cannot handle any internet where he does not have (what he believes to be) a "win argument" ban button. It is literally so cringe, I cannot stand to be associated with it, and I don't understand how other people tolerate being associated with his antics.
Aljernon@lemmy.today · 19 pts · 245d
MLs are essentially incapable of arguing in good faith. You know how Christians quote to bible to "prove" their religion is true? MLs are the political version of that.
BossDj@piefed.social · 11 pts · 245d
I opened a thread just yesterday and the top comment was "I recommend you read this article if you want to know what Noam Chomsky is really like". It was upvoted. I like to learn things, and don't really listen to a lot of Chomsky. So I started reading.
It was the most uneducated, biased, ragebait crap I'd ever seen posted to the fediverse. I started mentally building my reply about how "people are saying" is the worst kind of fallacy, and providing a quote from someone else with a different opinion doesn't count as opposing evidence. I actually got a little upset, disillusioned even, wondering how anyone could fall for this idiotic "argument". I didn't agree or disagree with any point, but it was just so poorly made.
I went to reply, thinking I should provide some warning, then I noticed I was in an ml community. I'm mobile, so it sometimes doesn't show the community until I've clicked (I know I can change that in the settings). I considered posting anyway, but it felt so fruitless. It feels like they're either sheep or assets. I moved on. I feel better getting to let it out here instead.
pineapple@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 244d
Honestly I will half agree with you. Really we should be providing primary sources if we want to prove anything.
Not because I don't believe socialist news sources are inaccurate it's just that liberals are not going to believe it.
JGrffn@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 244d
As someone leaning ML, this makes me feel like I haven't argued with my own side in a while..... Or I am less ML than I think I am.....
I have an ML account and usually just jump back and forth between .world local posts and .ml local posts and I swear I'm not seeing all this hostility people talk about anywhere
ameancow@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 245d
Socialism_Everyday@reddthat.com · 5 pts · 245d
Lmfao. What's leftism to you?
GrammarPolice@lemmy.world · -4 pts · 245d
Tankies are lefties alright. Just braindead ones
pineapple@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 244d
What do you consider a non braindead leftist?
GrammarPolice@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 244d
As long as you avoid campism and are ready to criticize the USSR and Maoist China for what they did wrong you're not braindead
pineapple@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 243d
Reasonable. Although it seams at this point tankie is just a blanket derocatory term to anyone who supports communism. I was a bit concerned that you were calling all communists braindead, although its good that you aren't.
GrammarPolice@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 243d
Nah nah. I'm not that braindead 😅
Socialism_Everyday@reddthat.com · -8 pts · 245d
Braindead is when you deviate one millimeter from western capitalist state propaganda
GrammarPolice@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 245d
You can deviate without lapping up Kremlin propaganda
Socialism_Everyday@reddthat.com · 5 pts · 245d
Five communists got enjailed in Ufa last week for reading Lenin. Being pro-USSR and anti-USA+EU doesnt equate with being pro-Russian Republic
GrammarPolice@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 245d
You were defending the Russian republic just two days ago need i remind you
OpenStars@piefed.social · 4 pts · 245d
... we don't?
I literally can't do what the meme suggests, because I've already blocked all users from that instance automatically.
You might try slrpnk.net for what you were looking for. I guess you know that by now, but in case anyone else is reading and thinking similarly.
LikeTearsInTheRain@lemmynsfw.com · 3 pts · 245d
I only signed up since it was one of the few instances allowing registration at the time of a big reddit exodus. Just haven't made too many new accounts in other instances yet but yes, the community is in an echo chamber.
drzoidberg@lemmy.world · 31 pts · 245d
I've got an ml account too, but at the time I think world was normal. I think world has also gone the Reich way.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 244d
there some .ml accounts that just talking about tech, i assume that what it is originally for, but it was co-opting by hard left politics at some point.
nialv7@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 245d
wait, what does it stand for?
dohpaz42@lemmy.world · 70 pts · 245d
Technically it is the top-level domain name for Mali.
I’m fairly certain that the Lemmy devs chose it because of their two favorite socialists/communists: Marx and Lenin. But I can’t find a reference to that right now.
Eldritch@piefed.world · 34 pts · 245d
Marx was a socialist political philosopher, that helped define the social end goal of communism. Lenin was a militant revolutionary that thought he could ignore Marx's slow natural social evolution to communism. And force it under authoritarian boot heel. He was aspirationally communist at best, but not communist. His ideology has failed to achieve it everywhere it was tried. Generally, creating a new class of Petit Bourgeoisie or even collapsing into open fascism.
Other than that you are correct. Lemmy.ml hexbear.ml and lemmygrad.ml all chose the Mali TLD because of the abbreviation.
rockerface@lemmy.cafe · 12 pts · 245d
Just like .TV domain is actually Tuvalu but Twitch and other livestreaming sites use it as abbreviation. These countries actually make a lot of money from selling top level domains like that.
Eldritch@piefed.world · 4 pts · 245d
Yes though I thought I remembered reading something a few years ago about them reclaiming them. But hard to turn down money.
Diva@lemmy.ml · 12 pts · 245d
it's hexbear.net
mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 11 pts · 245d
Have you read either Marx or Lenin?
Eldritch@piefed.world · 1 pts · 245d
A more important question is, did you think critically about what you read. And compare it to actually historical outcomes. Not just take it as dogma. Why do you think the Soviet people ultimately rejected the party Etc. At least symbolically. Why did former vassal States often demolish former Soviet monuments. Did they not read enough Lenin. Or had they lived it.
Unlike the states built around Lenin's ideology. I believe people should absolutely be allowed to read about opposed ideologies and even organize around them. If they reject you, generally that means you aren't filling their needs or are being a net burden. Though I also generally reject the idea of, or need for the state entirely. Far too much concentration and corruption. Whether it's technically left or right.
Objection@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 245d
That's a lot of words to say "no."
mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 5 pts · 245d
I did think critically about what I read, and it's astounding how many predictions that they made came true. For instance the monopolisation of whole sectors of industries was a really specific prediction to make in Marx' time when nearly every town had their own manufacturers but look at us today with the global food supply controlled by only a handful of corporations.
And the majority of its citizens did not reject the Soviet Union. It was dissolved against the will of the people. Why do you think the CPRF is the second largest political party still today? Why did other communist parties fare so well in the elections after the dissolution? Why did NATO need to systematically destroy Yugoslavia if the people largely disagreed with the system?
Also, I'm gonna be very honest with you here, your statements about Marx and Lenin when you clearly didn't read them make you look rather silly. As an example, it is widely accepted that abandonment of vanguardism caused the collapse of the SU. Therefore it was in fact abandonment of Leninism that caused the collapse. Vindicating Marxism-Leninism. If we're talking about comparisons to historical outcomes... And his view on the "free press" still hold up today, in particular when viewed from the side opposing the gaza genocide.
Leninism is the only noncapitalist ideology actually practiced, so I wouldn't really call it failed. China, Korea, Vietnam, Cuba and Venezuela are the most prominent examples of course.
I can only recommend, once again, Comrade Cowbees introductory reading list. In particular Marx as viewed by Lenin himself.
Socialism_Everyday@reddthat.com · 7 pts · 245d
Huh, I never thought I'd encounter an actual Menshevik on Lemmy.
Please tell me through materialist historical analysis: without a strong vanguard party pushing for rapid collectivization in 1929 in pursuit of industrialization, and the rapid industrialization (15% GDP growth per year) between 1929 and 1941, what would have happened to all peoples standing between Berlin and the Urals?
Cowbee@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 244d
Lenin wasn't trying to erase that transition to communism is gradual, but instead correctly identified that the beginning of that transition is revolution, which Marxists at the time had erased from Marx. Dialectical materialism posits that there are revolutionary leaps after quantitative buildups, the transition to socialism is the beginning of the next long gradual process of achieving communism. He did not "force it under authoritarian boot heel," but instead was the leader of the bolsheviks, a mass party chosen by the working claases.
Contrary to your position, Marxism-Leninism has successfully established socialism in many countries, and is so widely adopted by leftists partially because of its practical success. It's the western leftists that endlessly move goalposts to invalidate socialism outside the west that results in perpetuation of bourgeois narratives surrounding socialism as it exists in real life.
Honestly, your appraisal of Lenin and Marx makes it come off as though you haven't actually read either. Have you?
Aljernon@lemmy.today · 0 pts · 243d
That's like a doctor saying that shooting a patient in the head was a success because they don't have headaches anymore.
a party that seized control and maintained it's grip on power with violence against the working class
Cowbee@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 243d
Doubling life expectancies, providing free and high quality healthcare and education, low-cost or free housing, full employment, reaching full literacy, democratizing the economy, defeating the Nazis, and taking a semi-feudal backwater to the pinnacle of scientific and technological development, even reaching space in a few decades, is not "shooting the patient in the head." None of your accusations make any sense.
No? Fascists, capitalists, and landlords are oppressed by socialists, but not the working classes. More fantasy on your part, it's all vibes with you in the face of actual facts.
Aequitas@feddit.org · 3 pts · 245d
That is such a simplification that it is probably wrong.
Marx did not really concern himself with the ultimate goal of communism. His great achievement was his analysis of capitalism. Marx did not describe a slow evolution toward communism, but rather a process in which the contradictions he identified in capitalism culminate in revolution. No evolution! The few times he commented on communism, he described its prerequisites. He writes in the Communist Manifesto "In depicting the most general phases of the development of the proletariat, we traced the more or less veiled civil war, raging within existing society, up to the point where that war breaks out into open revolution, and where the violent overthrow of the bourgeoisie lays the foundation for the sway of the proletariat."
Lenin's approach was enormously successful in some respects. After the October Revolution, the USSR underwent unprecedented industrial development, which greatly improved the living conditions of most people. In general, the argument that “it has never worked before” is very problematic. For some strange reason, communist countries have always found themselves under massive attack from capitalist countries. For example, by Hitler's Germany or the US. Inconceivable sums of money were invested by global capital and its states to show “that communism does not work.” If it really hadn't worked, none of that would have been necessary. That still applies today. Lenin was a right-wing, authoritarian communist and was rightly criticized for this by people like Rosa Luxemburg. But economically, things were improving so rapidly that capitalist states became increasingly concerned. The fear was so great that capitalists in the US even agreed to the New Deal. Something similar happened in Europe.
ML does not stand for Marx and Lenin, but for Marxism-Leninism. A propagandistic self-description of the system of the Soviet Union under Stalin. Another word for it is Stalinism.
mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 4 pts · 245d
Stalinism is a scare-word, not an accurate description of any political ideology.
0_o7@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 8 pts · 245d
Nah, they chose it because the ccTLD along with few others had been free for a long time. I was there when lemmy was just a few months old.
Someone made up these reference about marx/lenin claim and was perfect for wankies to circle jerk and the tankies didn't refute it or went along with it, so it stuck.
Before that the free domains were mostly used for spam/phishing (because it was free and being similar to .mil), some called it machine learning, my links, my library and so on. US military sent lots of emails to this cctld because of unchecked typo.
Except lemmy (& maybe reddit? to detract people from the fediverse), the .ml domain is not considered marxlenin anywhere else.
https://dev.to/bauripalash/lets-get-your-own-free-domain-5f16
https://www.reddit.com/r/selfhosted/comments/15vrq8o/now_with_freenom_closed_is_there_any_other_way_to/
https://www.theregister.com/2023/07/18/us_military_mali_email_typos/
Denjin@feddit.uk · 22 pts · 245d
Moron liberation
PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca · 10 pts · 245d
Marxist Leninist
TheLeadenSea@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 245d
They use it to mean Marxist Leninism, although it also does mean Machine Learning and Mali
TheBat@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 245d
bryndos@fedia.io · 3 pts · 245d
You just reminded me of Ween's masterpiece album, ' The mollusk'
Pat_Riot@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 245d
Maoist Lemmy
SpookyBogMonster@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 245d
Now we just need Posadist Lemmy
flandish@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 245d
i’m a leftist and have an ml acct. but it’s like there is no engagement or linking or such - i dunno. i’m a newb.
Eldritch@piefed.world · 31 pts · 245d
You'd be hard pressed to find many on the fediverse that aren't some flavor of leftist.
But yes. A lot of instances defederated from the .ml ones for the same reasons ml were generally blocked and banned from similar sites in the past. Which ironically led to the start of Lemmy and the link aggregation portion of the fediverse in the first place.
davel@lemmy.ml · 16 pts · 245d
Last time I checked, infosec.pub was the only instance of any nontrivial size (319 users / month) that was defederated from lemmy.ml.
ThirdConsul@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 245d
There's a push recently on lemmy to make people think that .ml instance is unpopular, it's user wrong and you should leave it or be ostracized.
This is the nth post about it I've seen in the past few months.
davel@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 245d
I haven’t noticed a recent uptick myself, but the usual suspects have been pushing that narrative for years.
BrainInABox@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 245d
Depends if you consider liberals to be leftists.
Aljernon@lemmy.today · 5 pts · 245d
No, it does not. That's just a popular way for MLs to disregard any opinion they don't like. "Liberal" is to online MLs as "woke" is to conservatives. The Fediverse is packed with Anarchists, Socialists, Communists, and Leftists that don't fit neatly into a category and that's not even arguing about whether social democrats and democratic socialists count.
InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 245d
Just so you know Brain is a rage baiter.
Socialism_Everyday@reddthat.com · 1 pts · 245d
You mean terminally online wannabe leftists who haven't read theory or engaged in organizing while they regurgitate CIA propaganda?
Aljernon@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 243d
Like clockwork, here's one now. And he plays a reverse card like this is Uno and not an intellectual exchange.
"CIA propaganda" is the other ML buzzword that approximates conservatives alleging "woke" and they're always baffled that people outside their echo chamber don't immediately concede the point. Like they just made the first move in a game of chess and legitimately think it's checkmate.
Socialism_Everyday@reddthat.com · -1 pts · 243d
If you really wanna get informed about it, Gabriel Rockhill literally just published in Iskra Books an extensive analysis of the ways the US State Propaganda Apparatus affects media, arts, political organizing... There are literal entire books written about it if you wanna get educated.
webadict@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 245d
Lmao. Are you gatekeeping being a leftist?
Socialism_Everyday@reddthat.com · 2 pts · 245d
I'm differentiating between online "anarchists, socialists and communists" and the real deal. I had an anarchist on Lemmy the other day tell me that they don't think class analysis is important.
Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml · 0 pts · 245d
You say that as if it's a bad thing
BrainInABox@lemmy.ml · -2 pts · 245d
Yes. It does. Just because you like the left wing ascetic and want free healthcare doesn't mean you're not a liberal, and that describes a lot of people here.
davel@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 245d
(*aesthetic; ascetic is a different thing)
Gladaed@feddit.org · 1 pts · 245d
Similarly I also thought that, but chose the national instance instead.
EldenLord@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 245d
Rhoeri@piefed.world · 1 pts · 240d
Yep. I made an account there. Got banned for having an opinion that was in direct conflict with the propaganda shared there.
ZonenRanslite@feddit.org · 89 pts · 245d
My .ml experience:
mogoh@lemmy.ml · 74 pts · 245d
BakedCatboy@lemmy.ml · 45 pts · 245d
Honestly these kinds of posts don't bother me. I'm usually on here answering people's tech questions or trying to provide useful resources to people. If they don't see it because they have ml blanket blocked then that's their loss.
Eldritch@piefed.world · 5 pts · 245d
Yeah, there are plenty people who ended up there early when they're weren't many other options. Or just didn't know. Though it's your loss as well. Cut off from several instances for the behavior of others. It definitely sucks.
BakedCatboy@lemmy.ml · 13 pts · 245d
Sure, but seeing posts like this encouraging discounting other people based on the instance they signed up on doesn't make me want to switch instances so I can spend more time with them. Posts like these make it harder to care about what I'm missing tbh.
Saurok@lemmy.ml · 11 pts · 245d
If we're missing more animosity like this thread then we're probably not missing much at all.
cypherpunks@lemmy.ml · 8 pts · 245d
which instances?
Diva@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 245d
one of the best parts about lemmy.ml is no cm000spam
Credibly_Human@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 245d
What is this in reference to?
cm0002@mander.xyz · 2 pts · 244d
This:
::: spoiler Why am I cross-posting .ml content?
Credibly_Human@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 244d
Seems pretty reasonable really.
That said, about this:
I'm not sure fair or unbiased really have meaning as terms. I think its more that they seem strong handed and are alleged to have opinions based on propaganda rather than fact.
I definitely think the main developer publicly having those opinions is awful though. Projects have had drops in support for less.
cm0002@mander.xyz · -1 pts · 244d
To be clear, it's the fact that they run what many on the outside perceive to be "the flagship" instance. Had they run an instance in the same manner, but with their admin profiles and identities disconnected from their dev accounts...we wouldn't be here right now.
Then it would be easy to dismiss the Triad when advocating the Threadiverse to mainstream users as just "random instances that many others block", just like hex and grad
Diva@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 245d
there's a user (cm0002) who is so fervently anti-communist that they've spent years at this point having a vendetta with lemmy.ml/grad/hexbear.
for the longest time they were taking anything posted to a .ml community vias rss feed and reposting it on .world/or other instances out of spite
they also churn through accounts, so people who block them get to re-block them on every new account they spin up
cm0002@mander.xyz · 1 pts · 244d
Nope, Anti authoritarian as per the Wikipedia definition for Tankie:
Still ongoing, with reasoning supplied here:
::: spoiler Why am I cross-posting .ml content?
I had my unrelated reasons, as I've specified before, though trolling .ml for a lil while was a fun side effect I'll admit
GrammarPolice@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 245d
Wish we could get rid of the diva and cowbee spam here as well
Cowbee@lemmy.ml · 12 pts · 245d
Is it "spam" for 99% of my posts and comments to be in my home instance, and for the overwhelming majority of my interactions be via comments instead of posts?
GrammarPolice@lemmy.world · -7 pts · 245d
Bro must either be an egomaniac that has a bot combing lemmy to find instances of his name being mentioned or terminally online.
Diva@lemmy.ml · 10 pts · 245d
I mean it's probably the same reason I responded, I sort by new comments/chat
Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml · 7 pts · 245d
You don't need a bot to search your own username, you do know that right? And you don't need to be particularly egotistical to do it either, just halfway competent
Cowbee@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 245d
I search my name from time to time.
Diva@lemmy.ml · 8 pts · 245d
you could simply block me if you're tired of my insights 😇
I'm not constantly spinning up new accounts like cm so it would probably be the last you see of me
GrammarPolice@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 245d
No no. That would be a concession
Diva@lemmy.ml · 11 pts · 245d
ThirdConsul@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 245d
Name them please. Because as far as I know, its a few small ones with barely any traffic?
Credibly_Human@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 245d
I mean, you can say that, but its not really their loss, because you're asking them to accept a lot more than just you.
It's a package deal, and that package deal includes a boatload of clueless tankies who will happily copypasta the most outlandish ideas from their troves of propaganda to explain why actually brutal dictatorships are model societies for the left to ascribe to.
BakedCatboy@lemmy.ml · 7 pts · 245d
When I say I don't usually engage with these types of posts, it's because I remember several others like it that I chose to ignore. Checking OPs history, it seems they posted every other one that I remember. I don't count it as a loss at all if people like this make their own decision to block ml because I'd rather not see this kind of drama all the time. It doesn't matter to me if they see it as a loss or a gain, I'm still gonna be here engaging with and helping people who need help in various communities. To me it's not a loss if someone isn't able to receive my help if they decide that it's not worth it to them - that's their decision to make, and I'd rather not worry about people who are going to behave like OP.
The constant handwringing and wishing about ml users suffering more from being blocked because you don't like certain users honestly reeks of a sore ex who wants to twist the knife. If ml bothers certain users (I'm looking at OP especially) then just block ml and stop posting about it repeatedly (looking at you OP).
Credibly_Human@lemmy.world · -4 pts · 245d
You specifically said
though. Like they're missing out.
That seems like you're going out of your way to ascribe malice to people who don't want to be inundated with a certain type of tankie as if their goals are to hurt people as opposed to not be annoyed by their feeds.
You can't think of any reasons someone might not want to block but might still complain?
I mean here you are simultaneously advocating for not throwing out the baby with the bathwater when it comes to ml users, but then in the same breathe, you are saying people should simply block ml if they have complaints.
It doesn't seem consistent to me.
More than that, people can choose which instance they want to be on. You could switch to a different instance at any time, and many people have accounts on multiple instances.
With no public vote scores etc, all you lose is a post history that is spotty anyways due to how many posts get deleted on lemmy.
BakedCatboy@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 245d
These are not mutually exclusive and not contradictory at all
Do you not see the post at the top of this thread??
Imo this is not complaining, this is shit stirring. This meme isn't even acknowledging that there are multiple types of people on ml, but advocates for treating everyone the same. Do you not see an issue with that?
This is your assumption. All I've said here is that I don't care, I'm only commenting because this is the 3rd shit stirring post made by this OP, and I consider it a loss to those who block ml, but not to me. I've glossed over multiple posts like this from OP in the past so I clearly do not care if people view ml like this, it only reinforces the fact that I'm not missing anything by not being able to engage with people who are this immature.
Credibly_Human@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 245d
I mean the first one said its not a loss generally, not specifically but I can accept that you meant it differently than typed.
I don't think this has the full context.
You can't really conveniently sort tankie from non tankie.
ml is a self choosen label though, so people can choose not to use it.
How is it an assumption at all? You literally say it again here where you advocate for not treating everyone the same.
You've spent multiple comments expressing that lack of care.... which doesn't make it seem like you don't care, but instead makes it seem like this bugs you because you feel its unfair, and you've said as much here.
But you are engaging with them... I am very confused. The people you are seeing the memes of are the people you are engaging with. The others, they probably aren't posting about this and simply have it toggled off.
Mightn't this be a case of the loud ones being the people who are complaining vs the silent who simply have moved on?
Anyhow, I just think its impossible to ignore that certain servers obviously follow some cultural trends. Some are even enforced by said servers and its communities. Many really, when you think about it (Its kinda what rules do to some extent).
BakedCatboy@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 245d
I did not mean it differently than typed. I said "to me it's not a loss" and I mean that. To me it's not a loss, to them it is.
And people can choose to treat people the same based on that label, and I can choose to think it's immature. And at the same time I can not care if people choose to cut themselves off from ml.
No, I advocate for not dismissing people solely based on their chosen instance without taking into account their actual views. I do not advocate against blocking ml entirely, because I don't view being cut off from people who make those types of assumptions as a loss for me.
Only because you and other people have spent multiple comments not understanding me so I'm only repeating myself. I'm only commenting because this is the third shit stirring post by the same user, and I only chimed in to another ml user that I'm not bothered if people decide to block ml because it's a win to me to avoid immature people and in my view a loss to others because I spend most of my time on lemmy giving tech support to others.
No, I engaged with someone else on ml, and then you couldn't resist engaging with me. I don't see what's confusing about this. I don't think I'm missing anything by not being able to engage with this post. Yet it's here, so I'm engaging with it. That doesn't mean I value this engagement or would miss it at all. Let me again repeat that my preference is to ignore these types of posts, which is why I refrained from commenting on the other similar posts OP has made in the past. It's kind of silly to assume that engagement means you necessarily value the content.
Do you similarly think engaging with a racist by arguing with them means you must also value their content or presence? Of course not. Chiming in to say that I would not miss them, but also disagree with their views, is not contradictory.
Anyhow, I think I'll go back to ignoring these types of posts. I think this kind of blanket assumption about people based on their instance is a net negative to the community. That said, I don't think it's at all inconsistent to both view OPs attitude as immature while simultaneously not caring if they decide to block ml, precisely because being blocked by immature people is not a net negative to me.
Merry Christmas!
Diva@lemmy.ml · 52 pts · 245d
Objection@lemmy.ml · 46 pts · 245d
There is a specter haunting the fediverse 👻
JargonWagon@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 244d
Your name and profile pic always starts to make me think of the OST from the first game, and it always cheer me up.
Lemminary@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 245d
Oh, look, it's you.
Objection@lemmy.ml · 20 pts · 245d
It's me, hi, I'm the problem, it's me. At tea time, everybody agrees.
Lemminary@lemmy.world · -12 pts · 245d
Smile for the cameras, you're on air!
AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 244d
lol scrolling back up to this from where you're having a meltdown over your false memory of the other person being the instigator
Lemminary@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 244d
You realize this is a continuation from another thread in another community where they were literally the instigators, right? Bullshit with you as usual.
AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 244d
It's not a continuation if it's in another thread. This isn't the first time you decided words and concepts mean whatever's immediately convenient to you.
Lemminary@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 244d
We're literally linking to the other thread, genius. And I'm consisten in my meaning throughout until the other genius realizes what I mean.
It's not my fault people like you two dorks immediately jump to conclusions without listening.
Objection@lemmy.ml · -3 pts · 245d
spicehoarder@lemmy.zip · 8 pts · 245d
Hey, I'm employed and don't have the time to dig into the lore. What did Lemminary say? Can you permalink it?
Objection@lemmy.ml · 15 pts · 245d
First they minimized genocide with:
Then they doubled down, comparing being pro- or anti-genocide with "liking waffles or pancakes" and said to "move the fuck on."
Then, after I pointed out how abhorrent these things were, and they did nothing to deny that the exact same arguments could be used to justify the Holocaust, while also hurling a bunch of insults at me, I called them a Nazi. They responded by accusing me of being a pedophile.
Lemminary@lemmy.world · -10 pts · 245d
Damn, and you still have to provide only a partial context? Only the bits that benefit you and make you seem like the victim, huh.
How about you share the parts where you relentlessly accuse me of being a Nazi? The part where you misconstrue what I'm saying and purposely fail to grasp my point? The part where I actually fight back by falsely accusing you to prove my point, by using the same tactics you used to accuse me baselessly?
You're nothing but a mean girl, Katie.
RustyShackleford@programming.dev · 3 pts · 245d
Objection@lemmy.ml · 7 pts · 245d
Never pretended I wasn't anti-Nazi.
dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works · -7 pts · 245d
A guard at a concentration camp? No.
If a protester in australia stopped people from feeding their families at a food bank or kept sick kids from getting cancer medicine by blocking the door because of the Holocaust, would that be a valid position to hold? 🤔
Objection@lemmy.ml · 9 pts · 245d
Depends, if for example they're destroying a rail line used to conduct the Holocaust and it coincidentally caused that, then yes. If it's entirely unrelated, then no.
Not sure what that question has to do with anything.
dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 245d
I guess it depends a lot with how "related" you find things.
Its pretty clear in the US that genocides in other parts of the world (or even at home in the not so distant past) are not given appropriate weighting by political parties in power. However, there are still hungry families, people who need medicine, and various other forms of suffering right in the town where you live if you're a US citizen.
I don't even disagree with the position you have that minimizing genocide is abhorrent. However, by talking about "what is related or not" I personally feel like society is spraying blood from the femoral artery and there's the "tourniquet party" and the "shoot people in the femoral artery" party and you're like "FUCK THE TOURNIQUET PARTY, they abetted genocide! I'm out!". Or "Because of their apparent support for genocide, I will vote for the cautery and surgical foam party, even if they HAPPEN to be a 9 hour drive away."
On the one hand, this issue is really fucking important. On the other hand, riding the morality of the issue to the point that you do nothing to fix or address ANY problem (which makes a person who only posts about it basically indistinguishable from a neck bearding grouper) is also important to realize.
Kids were and are dying in Palestine. I have a hard time seeing how the moral thing to do is to make sure some kids grow up without parents in the because they got disappeared by ICE (or any of the issues above). I'm telling you these issues are not related to me: fight genocide AND fight police state / hunger / healthcare etc. The other guy is making the same argument but I guess he wants to open a Waffle House or some shit.
From where I sit, you have made "minimizing genocide" a weapon that even hurts more people , and simultaneously allows you to feel good about doing nothing by doing nothing.
dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 245d
Have you ever seen "The Rock" with Sean Connery and Nick Cage? To make it really succinct, I support your position and I would be on alcatraz with you (metaphorically speaking), but when it comes time to launch the rockets, I'm with General Hummel and it sure seems to me like .ML would really like to just pull the trigger.
Lemminary@lemmy.world · -11 pts · 245d
I have nothing to hide. You're putting words in people's mouths and crying wolf. How about you share the entire context with the class instead? It's easier if you don't start spewing bullshit.
Objection@lemmy.ml · 8 pts · 245d
What context? That you said all those exact things about a different genocide? You really think that'll make you look better?
Lemminary@lemmy.world · -8 pts · 245d
You think it's acceptable to supplant what I actually said in its original context with how you arranged it instead? See how both the post and the picture fit exactly with your behavior?
notreallyhere@lemmy.world · 35 pts · 245d
MyBrainHurts@piefed.ca · 8 pts · 245d
The best jokes have a lot of truth to them!
biotin7@sopuli.xyz · 31 pts · 245d
Says the .World-ers
Ilixtze@lemmy.ml · 31 pts · 245d
Fuck! So .ml is not abbreviation for "Monster Lovers"?
InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 245d
SpookyBogMonster@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 245d
No but we can make it mean that 😎
sunoc@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 245d
just a different type of monsters!
drmoose@lemmy.world · -10 pts · 245d
I call them mega losers
BrainInABox@lemmy.ml · 11 pts · 245d
Hell yeah dude, you're 12
HazardousBanjo@lemmy.world · 29 pts · 245d
I was wondering why so many tankies dominated that instance.
ML meaning "Marxist-Leninists" makes so much more sense now.
What a bunch of assholes.
drmoose@lemmy.world · -7 pts · 245d
it actually stands for country of Mali but tankies are right there engaging in imperialism and failing to see the irony lol
The best part. ML losers got the domain because "paying 5$ a year for TLD is capitalism!" and then in 2023 free .ml domains were discontinued because surprise surprise - it was a stupid idea lmao
What a bunch of mega losers lemmy.ml is.
Dr_Vindaloo@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 245d
Using cheap/free options to get an open source non-profit social media app off the ground is imperialism now 😭
Poor Mali deserves reparations for the domain name we ripped from their children, all posts shall now start with a land acknowledgement 😂
God you guys are hilarious sometimes
drmoose@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 244d
TLD is 5$ per year - the decision is purely vanity and nothing about this is smart or practical.
blinfabian@feddit.nl · 29 pts · 245d
idk what the instance fuss is about and i dont care
edit 8 days later: i get it now. .ml mods can suck my dick
0x0@lemmy.zip · 28 pts · 244d
The tell-tale indicator is the post itself, not the instance.
I'll make my own judgments, thank you.
ordnance_qf_17_pounder@reddthat.com · 25 pts · 245d
Whinging about lemmy.ml yet again are you? Speaking of making the fediverse more enjoyable, it's a good idea to ignore folks who love to stir the pot and create fediverse drama.
MyBrainHurts@piefed.ca · -14 pts · 245d
My last .ml meme was 2 months ago. I guess I should be proud that it bugged you enough to burn into your memory like that?
But yeah, warning new fediverse users that there are awful places and the whole fediverse ain't like that, well, that seems a polite way to improve the user experience and help new folks.
I love my city but I also generally warn visitors about our open air shooting gallery a few hundred meters away from the entertainment district for much the same reason.
ThirdConsul@lemmy.ml · 18 pts · 245d
Now I'm curious about the conversation on the internet with a lemmy.ml user you had.
Because you compare that to a shooting.
Kinda weird.
MyBrainHurts@piefed.ca · 0 pts · 245d
Haha, sorry, shooting gallery is, admittedly old, slang for an area where people do drugs without consequence. Comes from when heroin was the big scourge.
In Vancouver, Hastings is a super sketchy area that breaks your heart to see (and sometimes, your bones. An elderly friend is in one of the social housing projects there and was hospitalized awhile ago after some asshole shoved her to the ground and stole her purse.) But it is also right next to one of the nicer touristy kind of areas so you'll occasionally see very bewildered tourists or young folk new to the city terrified and out of place.
JuliaSuraez@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 245d
Solid rule: verify the source before the outrage. Saves your blood pressure and your feed.
huquad@lemmy.ml · 20 pts · 245d
I really need to get off .ml
Franklin@lemmy.ca · 18 pts · 245d
Whenever braininabox shows up, you know it's about to get a little Rule 2 in here
dreadbeef@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 18 pts · 245d
This is politics imo. Where's the corn?
qaz@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 245d
You may not know this, but there is an option to block instances in the settings
ThatGuyNamedZeus@feddit.org · 15 pts · 245d
I don't get it, why is that instance of lemmy bad?
MissJinx@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 245d
I think the problem is how authoritarian it is. It feels like living in Russia or china. If you say anything bad about china, russia, NK, or the moods you are attacked like you are the anticrist and banned.
From my experience I would risk to say many of those accounts are not even "real" people just a lot of ccp or kremlin police. Really zero freedom to express any ideas or even debate
OpenStars@piefed.social · 21 pts · 245d
The reason it looks so very similar to the Alt-Right, is because it basically is.
Socialism_Everyday@reddthat.com · -9 pts · 245d
To you, opposing genocide in Palestine and wanting to end US supremacy and western imperialism looks very similar to the Alt-Right.
Your problem is that you don't care when it's the west oppressing people
MissJinx@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 244d
Not at all. If you don't want anyone to be opressed I would support but anyone knows about reeducation camps, ukranian invasion and I'm not even going to comment on nk... that is just absurd. I'm not defending us just because I don't agree with other peoples oppresion
Btw I'm not american! Just a decent human that want other humans to be free.
Socialism_Everyday@reddthat.com · -3 pts · 244d
You support western colonialism which is orders of magnitude worse than anything you mentioned.
MissJinx@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 244d
who said that? I literally JUST said the opposite. You ate inputing in me an idea that it's not mine. That's a you problem.
Socialism_Everyday@reddthat.com · -4 pts · 244d
"I live in the most powerful and harmful empire but I reject any system opposing it" amounts to supporting it
Aljernon@lemmy.today · 0 pts · 243d
Keep building that strawman and knocking it down.
Insekticus@aussie.zone · 7 pts · 245d
Yeah, it's absolutely a pro-dictatorship pro-russian/chinese farm to get their bot accounts comments, upvotes, etc, to push misinformation.
Literally got banned today for saying Putin should pull out of Ukraine and china has live organ farm harvesting in Xin Jiang province.
Edit: spelling. According to some big brain thinkers if you make a typo in the name of the province where people are tortured, it miraculously never happened...
Socialism_Everyday@reddthat.com · -9 pts · 245d
Well, good ban. Disinformation should be banned.
You also seem very concerned for the people of a province whose name you can't correctly spell. Surely not concern trolling
yeather@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 245d
That is unfortunately not disinformation, you can easily google it.
Socialism_Everyday@reddthat.com · -10 pts · 245d
Western state propaganda disinformation is readily available in Google, unfortunately. No material evidence for this, only "anonymous interviews". We've seen how trustworthy those are when manufacturing atrocity propaganda against US geopolitical adversaries.
yeather@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 245d
https://thediplomat.com/2024/08/first-known-survivor-of-chinas-forced-organ-harvesting-speaks-out/
Hey look the third result is a named survivor in an interview.
Socialism_Everyday@reddthat.com · -3 pts · 245d
The original comment talked about Xinjiang province, not about Falun Gong practitioners, whom are interviewed in your article.
Falun Gong is a cult, and it's a political organization linked to Trump and to anti-Chinese propaganda. From Wikipedia:
Are these the people whose testimonies on China you'll be believing?
Snowpix@lemmy.ca · 15 pts · 245d
The instance admins of lemmy.ml and lemmygrad.ml, who are also the developers of Lemmy, have a wide variety of harmful views including genocide denial, transphobia, and support for authoritarian regimes. They are incredibly ban-happy and spend an unreasonable amount of time removing dissenting opinion from their communities instead of developing the platform. They've got a bunch of people in a complete echo chamber where saying anything critical about their favourite regimes earns you a ban despite there being no rules against it. Their users tend to also be the genocide denying, authoritarian bootlicking type.
Insekticus@aussie.zone · 7 pts · 245d
100% l. Well said.
Socialism_Everyday@reddthat.com · -7 pts · 245d
Wanting 1% the material evidence of the genocide in Palestine applied to other, western geopolitically convenient "genocides", isn't genocide denial.
Transphobia shouldn't be tolerated, you're free to move to hexbear where the slightest transphobia gets anyone banned
Criticizing the mainstream western position on China is not support for authoritarianism. Support for authoritarianism is doing bothsideism while one side is the biggest oppressor on the face of the earth, which happens to be the side where you live.
Snowpix@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 244d
Why on earth would I go to Hexbear when I've already made it pretty clear I have a strong distaste for .ml? Hexbear is full of the very same pro-authoritarian types and that instance has an awful reputation for brigading and harassing communities. I've seen this myself the numerous times they attempted to federate with other instances, my own included. No thanks.
cm0002@mander.xyz · 5 pts · 245d
https://lemmy.world/post/29072279
Holytimes@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 245d
Racism, political extremism, and kinda just assholes.
Socialism_Everyday@reddthat.com · 8 pts · 245d
Please tell me how .ml is racist, and not .world allowing Zionists unbanned
SapientLasagna@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 245d
They tend to be so frothing-at-the-mouth emphatically leftist that they're indistinguishable from a CIA program to discredit the left. To be clear, I don't think lemmy.ml is a CIA program, but I can't imagine what they'd do differently if it were.
Diva@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 245d
liberals/social democrats tend to lose their shit when they realize that they're right wing, so it's easier to demonize people for pointing out it
MyBrainHurts@piefed.ca · 2 pts · 245d
Love the user name! If you browse through the comments, other folks have had the same question answered.
BrainInABox@lemmy.ml · -1 pts · 245d
Because it's too left wing for the western redditers who are used to Scandinavia being the end of the political spectrum.
Also, the admins of .world want to consolidate the fediverse under their own instance, hence the constant firehose of rhetoric from .world trying to drive people away from rival instances.
Skavau@piefed.social · 5 pts · 245d
What does this post have to do with the admins of lemmy.world? The original poster of this thread is from piefed.ca.
Aljernon@lemmy.today · 5 pts · 245d
If you define Left Wing as concentrating all political power in the hands of a narrow elite. The rest of the us have more egalitarian definitions of The Left.
Socialism_Everyday@reddthat.com · -2 pts · 245d
Your view of reality isn't materialist. You can't explain why standards of life have been massively boosted in actually existing socialist countries and inequality rates have been the lowest recorded in history.
The only explanation possible in your view, would be that, for example, 5 different benevolent dictators have succeeded each other over 70 years in the USSR maintaining world class healthcare, education, access to housing, pensions and job security. But these things don't happen in countries with dictators such as Saudi Arabia or fascist Spain.
How is it possible that there are only "good dictators" in communist countries?
Aljernon@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 237d
You can't explain why the same thing happened in Capitalist countries and doesn't appear unique to "socialism".
Most outright dictators in communist countries were shitheads. After Stalin died, the USSR had the secret speech. After Mao died, the Chinese communist party made it a high priority to prevent any one person from ever gaining that much power again (which fell apart with Xi Jinping). Ceaușescu was more interested in a life of luxury than in the working class. Most communist countries at most times had a political elite that ruled, not an individual with singular authority over the nation.
Socialism_Everyday@reddthat.com · 0 pts · 237d
This is false, though. a few capitalist countries, particularly in western Europe and in North America, industrialized at the expense of the rest of the world through colonialism and imperialism since the 1800s, but since the end of WW1, only a minority of capitalist states have actually developed and industrialized, most of them being small European nations still. No fast industrialization with massive life quality boosts happened anywhere in Latin America or Africa, and in Asia only in US puppet regimes utilized as weapons against China. If India had applied the policies that China or the USSR did, hundreds of millions of lives would have been saved from disease and starvation over the past 100 years.
BrainInABox@lemmy.ml · -4 pts · 245d
Man, politics must be so easy when you just make up lazy strawmen that aren't remotely accurate
But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 245d
I never know the difference between all these Lemmy instances and why some communities are full of insane people
Tabayat@lemmy.ml · 13 pts · 244d
what did i do
queermunist@lemmy.ml · 13 pts · 245d
What I've learned is that Reddit.world allows for rule breaking as long as you're punching left, but if you're the one being beat on and you defend yourself you'll be banned for wrongthink.
electric_nan@lemmy.ml · 13 pts · 245d
US liberals are so upset when they hear anything to the left of AOC.
kittenzrulz123@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 26 pts · 245d
US Liberals are upset when they see anyone further left than Ronald Reagan
calcopiritus@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 245d
Ah yes. Telling Ukraine that they should "stop fighting so people stop dieing" is being left of AOC and not Russian propaganda. We at ml are just peace absolutists, it's just a coincidence that our peace absolutism somehow involves just giving everything to Russia.
electric_nan@lemmy.ml · 9 pts · 245d
I'm curious how you envision Ukraine winning. From where I'm standing, I cannot see any remotely realistic pathway for them to regain any significant amount of territory. There may have been (probably was) a time when more/different weapons would have made a real difference, but at this point it's a matter of manpower. Do you think anyone is going to send troops?
Believe it or not, I don't think Russia is well-run, or a good place for workers. I don't like their foreign policy either. However, I also don't think it's useful or accurate to reduce them to "Putin bad". Of course he's bad, but that doesn't explain major Russian foreign policy anymore than "Trump bad" explains major US foreign policy. Not saying that nuance is an excuse, but you can't make any real analysis without it.
ThirdConsul@lemmy.ml · -7 pts · 245d
As their neighbour, I totally agree. It's not Putin bad. It's everyone from fucking Russia. There's nothing that came from Russia and wasn't made into an abomination.
(* Except Russian people who left Russia because they could see how god damn awful that place and everyone in it is; Pretending otherwise is literally dismissing their culture).
vivendi@programming.dev · 2 pts · 245d
It won't matter in the end. Their shitty Colombus Epoch is coming to an end
Credibly_Human@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 245d
What in the universe are you envisioning?
Devial@discuss.online · 2 pts · 245d
electric_nan@lemmy.ml · 7 pts · 245d
You're making things up to be mad about. Nobody pretends that those countries are flawless. You just can't seem to handle the idea that none of those countries are 1/10 the threat to the world that the US is.
Devial@discuss.online · 5 pts · 245d
electric_nan@lemmy.ml · 0 pts · 245d
Defending them isn't the same as saying they are flawless. What is the point of criticizing North Korea? Especially from a country like the US who does far more harm to the world than either NK or Russia.
Devial@discuss.online · 1 pts · 244d
electric_nan@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 244d
When I say "defend" I don't mean a blanket defense. There are good criticisms to make, some of which you've highlighted. Unfortunately, such criticisms are too often used as excuses to write off those countries entirely, and to justify any and all attacks on them. For example, I often hear it said that I shouldn't defend Palestinians, because they are anti gay. This is meant to distract us from the even greater evil occurring. You can do this with literally any country, which would mean that it isn't "remotely acceptable to defend" any of them.
Devial@discuss.online · 1 pts · 244d
Aljernon@lemmy.today · -4 pts · 245d
Pretending that Marxist-Leninists have Leftist beliefs is cute. That workers have no self-determination and have to tow the party line under threat of violence is the dead giveaway
Socialism_Everyday@reddthat.com · 7 pts · 245d
What not reading and uncritically swallowing western propaganda does to a MF
Aljernon@lemmy.today · -4 pts · 244d
Here's one of the bootlickers now. Bro, you're a right winger obsessed with collectivization. Quit stinking up the revolution with your nonsense.
Socialism_Everyday@reddthat.com · 2 pts · 244d
Quit stinking up the revolution with your CIA indoctrinated understanding of "authoritarianism" and your non materialist way of understanding history. To you, European social-democracy isn't authoritarian because you happen not to live in the lands affected by neocolonialism.
GrammarPolice@lemmy.world · -6 pts · 245d
Meanwhile you swallow campist doctrine. Ok buddy
Socialism_Everyday@reddthat.com · 3 pts · 245d
Projecting much?
moderatecentrist@feddit.uk · 1 pts · 244d
Related to your post: I've seen people from Lemmy.ml defend imperialist behaviour from Russia and China. Surely the left is supposed to oppose imperialism - whether it's from the US, Europe, Russia, China, or anywhere else.
Cowbee@lemmy.ml · 0 pts · 245d
The communist party is run by the working classes and derives its power from popular support. The people oppressed by communist parties were overwhelmingly fascists, landlords, and capitalists.
Aljernon@lemmy.today · -2 pts · 244d
Out right lies. The communist parties (the ones that have existed, not the the theoretical ones) derive their power from threat of violence against workers. They're a non-hereditary nobility that oppress workers (except North Korea which is now a hereditary monarchy).
IndieGoblin@lemmy.4d2.org · -4 pts · 245d
Communists are rich people who are privileged enough to not work and spend all day larping. They dont know working class people they've never met any.
Cowbee@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 245d
I'm a communist and that's false for me and every communist I know IRL that I work with, and is also false on an international scale. Communist parties are working class parties.
ollie@pawb.social · 11 pts · 245d
havent used lemmy in a while and dont get it, could someone explain the joke?
pelespirit@sh.itjust.works · 40 pts · 245d
They're pro China and Russia
slothrop@lemmy.ca · 29 pts · 245d
faux far left.
atro_city@fedia.io · -2 pts · 245d
You're only considering the x axis. They are far left and fascist. You can be far left and liberal.
BrainInABox@lemmy.ml · -3 pts · 245d
No you can't
Denvil@lemmy.ml · 24 pts · 245d
A lot of us are pro China and Russia. Not all of us, some of us aren't tripping balls. I'm just kinda here, and didn't realize I was defederated with some other instances...
Probably gonna make a new account in that case, if I ever remember to actually do so
Gullible@sh.itjust.works · 13 pts · 245d
That’s what I’m not a fan of. It feels softer than it is, the information bubble. The ml admins are too good at removing dissent and it translates to users unaware of the situation. Were there informed consent, I’d feel less aggrieved.
Snowpix@lemmy.ca · 22 pts · 245d
The fact they don't list dissent or criticism of China/Russia as being bannable in the rules is one of the bigger problems. They will just ban you for Rule 1 or 2, neither of which have anything to do with that and leaving banned users scratching their heads wondering what they did wrong. Meanwhile to the other .mls, it just looks like the devs banned someone for a "legitimate" reason because the devs will leave a comment painting the banned user's comment in that light.
Example: User "BillyBobJones" expresses a dislike of China's genocide of the Uyghur Muslims. Dessalines or Davel will quickly ban BillyBobJones under Rule 1 or 2 for, say, "racism". Then they will leave a comment under the deleted comment accusing BillyBob of saying something racist and saying that's why BillyBob was banned. Unless an .ml user bothers to check the modlogs, they won't know what BillyBob actually said and will praise Dessalines/Davel for removing a racist. Dissenter removed, echo chamber reinforced.
Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz · 3 pts · 245d
I literally just left Xinjiang again, currently in Kazakhstan.
If you want to criticize China, talk about existing policy, not silly shit the west made up.
Maybe even come over and make some friends and ask them about their experiences.
Also p sure its lemmy.ml policy to include the post you were banned for, unlike .world who will straight up lie.
Holytimes@sh.itjust.works · 9 pts · 245d
ML mods have been caught ignoring their own policy and do straight up lie as well. Both of the teams are kinda crappy.
Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz · -1 pts · 245d
It wouldn't surprise me. Imo its a flaw that lemmy doesn't require mods sign their actions.
vulkan@shitpost.poridge.club · 0 pts · 245d
@Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz
Как оно в Синцзяне? Читал только на Медузе о нём, и там, конечно, описывается настоящий концлагерь.
@Snowpix@lemmy.ca
Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz · 1 pts · 245d
I can't read or speak russian.
The people, both uhigur and han, are warm and friendly towards foreigners. You'll run into a range of experiences and opinions. Some being more willing to discuss them 1on1 after a bottle of baijiu. Xinjiang has excellent wines and distilled liquors that pair well with the heavy, spicy food.
The coffee tends to be kinda bad.
You'll hear mandarin, uhigur, and what I thought was Russian. Some of the older uhigurs can't read chinese characters.
The food is excellent, they use a lot more mutton, then beef, pork is least common, but sometimes you see it.
It gets quite a bit of snow.
There's more cops and old folk hired as security(i forget the word for them) than elsewhere in China.
::: spoiler spoiler
:::
Rhoeri@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 245d
Yeah. Abandon ship asap. That shithole is not something you’d want to be associated with unless you love sucking authoritarian boot-shaped cock.
Aljernon@lemmy.today · 9 pts · 245d
Supporting the current regimes in Russia and China comes across as decidedly anti Russia and China. There is nothing socialist about modern day Russia but .ml still lick their boot.
lemmydividebyzero@reddthat.com · 5 pts · 245d
The ones I talked to were more like fans of the Sowjet union.
Socialism_Everyday@reddthat.com · -2 pts · 245d
Yes, many tankies like me are supporters of the state that saved Europe from fascism including tens of millions of people from extermination. Also supportive of the lowest inequality rates in the history of the region, rapid industrialization, guaranteed employment, universal healthcare, free education to the highest level, guaranteed housing, universal retirement pensions, highest rates of unionization, and doubling-tripling of life expectancy, without engaging in colonialism or unequal exchange and supporting liberation movements all over Latin America, Africa and Asia.
gamis44@lemmy.myserv.one · 4 pts · 245d
idk man, not enough femboys in the ussr, your point is invalid.
Socialism_Everyday@reddthat.com · -2 pts · 245d
I have criticism for social policy in the USSR, but let's not forget that in 1917 the country was composed of 85% peasants who worked the land almost enslaved to the landowners for miserable wages, and up to 1905 the majority of peasants praised the tsar's godgiven power to rule over them.
Let's also not forget what we compare it with. "Liberal paradises" such as France were murdering more than a million Algerians in the Algerian war of independence in the 1960s.
gamis44@lemmy.myserv.one · 2 pts · 245d
im talking about femboys here
Socialism_Everyday@reddthat.com · 0 pts · 245d
Sorry, I honestly can't tell much about femboys in the USSR.
The Soviet poet Mayakovksy had big puppyboy energy though, signing many poems and letters with drawings of a dog and writing things like trips on his paws
s23b@programming.dev · 2 pts · 244d
As someone who grew up in an ex Warsaw Pact country, reading your characterization of the USSR is hilarious to me.
Imagine a Native American reading comments that are praising the US for how well they've done by them by giving them casinos.
Socialism_Everyday@reddthat.com · -1 pts · 244d
Yeah, you grew up in an ex Warsaw Pact country, not in a Warsaw Pact country. Keep blaming the problems of capitalism on the system that you had 35 years ago. If it weren't for the USSR, your ancestors would have likely been exterminated by Nazis.
s23b@programming.dev · 2 pts · 244d
Make assumptions about me and my ancestry at our first interaction, I'm sure you will eventually convince someone you're arguing in good faith.
Socialism_Everyday@reddthat.com · 0 pts · 244d
I can argue with you in at all because you're alive thanks to the USSR. Almost all Warsaw pact peoples were liable to Nazi extermination, if you belong to the few who were not, it's not a good argument either. "Nazis wouldn't have exterminated me!"
lemmydividebyzero@reddthat.com · 2 pts · 245d
Is this a chatgpt response for "List lots of advantages of positive things about the sowjet union and ignore the negative stuff"?
It was so successful that 4 districts of it decided to leave it in 1990 and 11 more in 1991.
Socialism_Everyday@reddthat.com · 1 pts · 245d
Whataboutism and accusing me of being a chatbot, thats a 2 for 1!
If Euroep is so good, why did the entirety of Africa, Asia and Latin America have literal independence wars to leave it?
lemmydividebyzero@reddthat.com · 1 pts · 245d
nope, I questioned whether you might have consulted a chatbot.
Says the person who
literally responded with "WHAT ABOUT [List of positive things done by sowjet union]???" on my first comment 😅
asks "WHAT ABOUT Europe????" 1 line after accusing me of whataboutism 😅
I'm sure, we could fill multiple pages with circular responses like "But your state bad because XY", followed by "But your state worse because of YZ", but I don't have time for this. Maybe, you find someone else...
pelespirit@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 245d
Isn't tankie describing when China used tanks against their own people? I thought it referenced Tiananmen Square.
Socialism_Everyday@reddthat.com · -1 pts · 245d
The original term "tankie" refers to the usage of tanks way earlier, by the USSR in the Czechoslovak revolution attempt.
China did not use tanks against civilians in the Tiananmen protests, the famous picture of "tank man" is a screenshot of a video in which the civilian stops the tank, has a ten minute conversation with the tank driver, and then goes away by himself.
pelespirit@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 245d
So why is June 4th banned and you can't talk about Tiananmen Square in China then?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DbijSAH1-Q
Socialism_Everyday@reddthat.com · -2 pts · 245d
Can you show me the particular moment in the 2h long video in which the tanks are firing on / rolling over protestors?
Fleur_@aussie.zone · 3 pts · 245d
Don't forget North Korea
ThirdConsul@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 245d
Isn't that lemmygrad.ml, not lemmy.ml?
KindnessIsPunk@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 245d
It's unfortunately both from some of their most prominent users.
snek_boi@lemmy.ml · 0 pts · 245d
Huh. I’m trying to understand what you mean. Your interpretation is that .ml is pro-China and pro-Russia. And, as you can see, my account is .ml. I'm not sure I would identify as pro-China or pro-Russia. What does it mean to you to be pro-China and pro-Russia?
explodicle@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 245d
I think most people agree with OP that it's not a 100% thing. Some people just signed up long ago, or picked a big instance.
I would assume they're speaking literally.
snek_boi@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 225d
To be fair, I did sign up a long time ago. However, I do have reasons to stay in
.ml. Here's a response I posted elsewhere: https://lemmy.ml/post/40683138/22907808pelespirit@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 245d
snek_boi@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 225d
To understand what you mean, is that seal winking? If so, are you saying that maybe I'm not being forthcoming or honest? I hope that you and I and everyone here can agree that we're trying to understand what we're all saying and where we all stand. I'm not being sarcastic or trying to hide anything.
pelespirit@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 225d
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning
snek_boi@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 224d
Ah. Thanks for the explanation.
Well, if I look at my posts and ask myself whether I’m sealioning, I do see that I ask many questions to others. However, I also see that I talk about my stances and my beliefs. That is, as far as I can tell, not sealioning. Sealioning seems to require work from others while not doing the work of communicating.
Here’s a post in which I lay out some of my beliefs and stances regarding
.ml: https://lemmy.ml/comment/23293518Of course, I could be wrong, but that’s how it seems to me.
pelespirit@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 224d
Explaining your stance doesn't negate sealioning.
HellieSkellie@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 245d
.ml admins are pro russia and china. Are you an Admin controlling the flow of content
snek_boi@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 225d
Thanks for the straightforward response.
It sounds as if it's clear that .ml admins are pro-Russia and pro-China. I understand you're also asking if I'm making content-flow choices.
I think it's worthwhile to interrogate where I stand in relation to
.mland my identity.The way I see it,
.mldoes have posts that mourn aspects of countries like the USA and posts that recognize achievements of China. I'm not sure I've seen posts praising Russia, like at all, ever (if anything, I've seen posts critical of how Russia is a hyper-militaristic society).I take this to mean that
.mlis not indoctrinated in the way that many of my friends are. Some of my friends think that capitalism is perfectly ethical, and they sweep under the rug awful things about capitalism. They sweep under the rug how capitalism creates systemic inequality, how capitalism optimizes for accumulation instead of human flourishing, how capitalism is short-sighted in its investment strategies, how capitalism cannot create infinite growth in a contained system like planet Earth. I see these kinds of analyses in.ml. And I do not see them as much in other places.I want to make it clear that I'm not saying those analyses don't exist elsewhere. However, I see
.mlengaging with them much more. I could be wrong, and I'd be very interested if you can link to other communities that engage with things like, for example, classical economics instead of neoclassical or post-Keynesian economics. Anyway…This might lead you to believe that I have a specific political project in mind that I'm supporting. And yeah, I believe in humanism, in human development, and in empathy-based ethics. However, I do not believe in static visions of the future. I do not think that there's a Single Best Way Of Solving World Problems. I believe the world is a complex system and we need multiple simultaneous experiments at all levels to get more of what we want and less of what we don't want.
And what is it that I want? I want more acceptance of diversity and less hatred. I want more people working in good working conditions and less shitty workplaces. I want more equality of opportunities and less hoarding of privilege by the wealthy. I want more people out of poverty and less people stuck in the cycle of poverty. I want more investments that care about the long-term benefit of everyone and less investments that care about the short-term benefit of elites. I want more people who can choose what to do with their lives and less people stuck with what they've got in front of them.
So am I anti-USA and pro-China?
What I'm trying to say is that we have to look at reality with openness. I believe we should not stick to a simplistic story. I believe simplistic stories blind us to complexity and nuance. I believe we should not stick to easy stories such as "pro-USA" or "pro-China". I believe we need to be able to break complex systems down and find what we want more of and what we want less of. I believe we then need to be able to accept that in complex systems we cannot know the end-state. I believe, instead, we need to try things out at multiple levels and see if we're getting more of what we want and less of what we don't want.
So yeah, I see myself as someone who sees in
.mlthe kinds of analyses that I don't see elsewhere. Of course, I'm open to alternatives and am curious about where you stand and what you believe.BlackLaZoR@fedia.io · 11 pts · 245d
.ml stands for marxist-lenninist. One of lemmy devs literally posts his pro communist essays to github https://github.com/dessalines/essays
It's a pile of garbage and he seems to genuinely believe in it
ThirdConsul@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 245d
https://github.com/dessalines/essays/blob/main/capitalism_doesnt_work.md
This is one of them, it's a list of fun facts about USA, and current state of capitalism.
Like UN study showing that 3% of USA military budget would end hunger world wide.
I honestly don't know how to help you. Take care of yourself, because you sound unwell
korendian@lemmy.zip · 8 pts · 245d
lectricleopard@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 245d
Lemmy.ml is the instance maintained by the creators of lemmy is believe. The have political leanings not shared by the majority of the fediverse. Far left by many estimates.
If you see something to left to believe, probably comes from there.
hypnicjerk@lemmy.world · 51 pts · 245d
tankies are authright in left clothing
their takes generally have little to do with ideology however and more to do with loyalty to the state
T00l_shed@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 245d
Horseshoe theory in action
slothrop@lemmy.ca · 9 pts · 245d
Yeah, so far left that the far right is intrigued.
OpenStars@piefed.social · 7 pts · 245d
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 244d
i pointed it out in one of community still harboring them, that is not part of that instance, what a surprise instant downvote, and comment removed (especially criticizing CHINas lack of innovaiton or population problems) and im asian myself. funny thing on a post on reddit recently about "voters, left and right base) someone mentioned how tankies are pretty much non-voters themselves, they just like to complain but they dont vote for thier preferred members thats why there is no left wing in america. i call these people inactivist.
Socialism_Everyday@reddthat.com · -1 pts · 245d
Authright is when universal healthcare, free education to the highest level, guaranteed employment, housing and retirement pensions, and liberating Europe from Fascism and saving tens of millions from Nazi extermination.
hypnicjerk@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 245d
found the bootlicker!
Socialism_Everyday@reddthat.com · 3 pts · 245d
Guaranteed housing is bootlicking!
hypnicjerk@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 245d
guaranteed housing! no matter how many ukrainians need to be displaced!
Socialism_Everyday@reddthat.com · -2 pts · 245d
What on Earth are you talking about? How are the 1955-1990 policies of guaranteed housing in any way related to Ukraine or displacement of anyone?
I see you're very concerned with the well-being of the Ukrainian people though, which is commendable. You surely criticize the dissolution of the USSR then, which led to Ukraine becoming the poorest country in Europe, the premature deaths of millions of Ukrainians from unemployment, lack of healthcare, drug abuse, malnutrition, suicide and mental health crises in the period between 1990 and 2022, in which Ukraine lost more than 10 million of its people? (A bit less than 20% of the total population).
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 244d
lemme.ml is a politically "left" tankie instance, the opposite of a conservative one. and you can surmise any criticism against that form of thinking will get you astroturfed or banned.
hexbear, lemmygrad instance are the same.
NGC2346@sh.itjust.works · 10 pts · 245d
me, a shitjustworks based fucker
T00l_shed@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 246d
Hue hue hue
finitebanjo@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 245d
I always engage with Tankies, fuckin hate those guys and I want people to know it.
ohellidk@sh.itjust.works · 9 pts · 245d
For sure! I did that once when I was new here, it went sideways.
Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml · 8 pts · 245d
"Ignore dissenting opinions, shun users from the bad place, run away from the scary wrongthink"
explodicle@sh.itjust.works · 13 pts · 245d
"This echo chamber is censoring the opinions of everyone who disagrees!"
Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 245d
I disagree with people on .ml regularly and I'm not banned, skill issue and/or unforgivable opinions
GrammarPolice@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 245d
🪞
Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 245d
No u
pineapple@lemmy.ml · 7 pts · 244d
Hi guys
XPost3000@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 244d
Man this was like the only instance that was accepting new members at the time and tbh it's been failing to load stuff half the time now, which instance should I switch to that's actually accepting new members?
Also any good mobile clients with a local history? I'm so tired of Voyager just throwing away posts that I try to go back to read, absolutely no way to go find it again
parzival@lemmy.org · 2 pts · 243d
I think I'll decide based on the actual post content thank you very much
BilSabab@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 245d
that's why Lemmy rules and Reddit kinda sucks. The whole interaction thing is way more manageable and clearer
Almacca@aussie.zone · 2 pts · 244d
I learned that lesson this week.
DylanMc6@lemmy.ml · 0 pts · 244d
i was on hexbear, i said a lot of stuff like "palestine and israel have been at each other's throats and they should settle the gaza war peacefully", "venezuela should NOT be run by nicolas maduro", "we need a revolution" and "what if north korea was a de leonist country".
so far, comments like these were interpreted as simply "antisocialist", "zionist", "fedposting", "manufacturing consent" and "history of repeating us state department talking points". hexbear is full of the most hardline marxist-leninists you'd ever meet. they DIDN'T realize that you can be marxist-leninist while NOT supporting stalin's actions in the ussr government and such. i'm still studying socialist/communist theory though.
i'm very glad i went with this lemmy instance. seriously!
Mcf0603@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 243d
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 244d
could say the same for lemmy.ca and piefed.ca
Rhoeri@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 245d
Yep. That shithole breeds nothing but trash from my experience. I blocked that rotted bilge of an instance and many of its wannabe communist barnacles a long time ago.
lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com · -3 pts · 245d
::: spoiler Needs text alternative, so everyone can understand this sage advice. Images of text break much that text alternatives do not. Losses due to image of text lacking alternative:
Contrary to age & humble appearance, text is an advanced technology that provides all these capabilities absent from images. :::
MyBrainHurts@piefed.ca · 0 pts · 245d
You're not wrong!
I'm just shitty and kinda lazy. I'm usually trying to make memes between other things and after fussing about, don't feel like spending the extra time to write it out.
I wish there was an option to outsource that to the community so folks who maybe don't post as much could help by providing alt texts or something.
SereneSadie@quokk.au · -5 pts · 245d
Hell_nah_brother@thelemmy.club · -5 pts · 245d
(´･ᴗ･ ` ) me like these posts, i can find so many people to block
bdonvr@thelemmy.club · -10 pts · 245d
What an absolutely ridiculous position
Aurenkin@sh.itjust.works · 40 pts · 245d
Agreed, there are a lot of ridiculous positions over on .ml
Socialism_Everyday@reddthat.com · -5 pts · 245d
"No U!"
CybranM@feddit.nu · 30 pts · 245d
I got banned from .ml because I didn't agree when they claimed that North Korea is democratic.
So yeah, stay well clear of that place lol
Gullible@sh.itjust.works · 12 pts · 245d
I was banned for calling someone a hotdog
lemmydividebyzero@reddthat.com · 9 pts · 245d
I once had a "dialog" with people there who wanted a whole country wiped out.
Then, they were banned for that.
Oh, wait, not they were banned... I was banned for not agreeing.
T00l_shed@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 245d
I've been banned from a few ml because I rightly called Stalin a monster
ThirdConsul@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 245d
I believe I have the honour of wearing the same medal :)
T00l_shed@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 245d
🤜🤛
copyscam@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 245d
Wait seriously?? I just joined BC dbzer0 went all AI obsessed. I hadn't seen that much tankie shit on .ml yet... Where tf are the anarchists on Lemmy?
Diva@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 245d
I'm an anarchist and I use .ml
BrainInABox@lemmy.ml · -3 pts · 245d
You're lucky that .worlders are too lazy and stupid to actually check your mod history, lol.
Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml · -14 pts · 245d
Lol good
CybranM@feddit.nu · 4 pts · 245d
Real champions of democracy over there at .ml when they ban anyone who doesn't conform to their echo chamber :)
Gullible@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 245d
You’re legitimately encouraging them. Their brand of communism doesn’t involve elections
Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml · -6 pts · 245d
I disagree with people on .ml all the time, skill issue lol
Bloomcole@lemmy.world · -10 pts · 244d